Peter King and Myles Simmons discuss the two-point try fiasco at the end of Lions-Cowboys in Dallas, agreeing that blame should land largely on referee Brad Allen and his crew, who are all under intense scrutiny. #NBCSports #PeterKing #DetroitLions #DallasCowboys
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we have not spoken about it and I’m just very curious I want to hear your take about the Lions Cowboys Fiasco at the end of the Saturday night game and basically who’s at fault here well it it certainly seems to me that Brad Allen and his crew is at fault and you know part of the reason I think this is because of the precedent that that crew is set for making bad calls or not making the correct calls if you want to call it that in big situations I mean there is a reason why it was leaked a few weeks ago that Allen’s crew is under heavy scrutiny for some of the calls that were not made and some of the decisions that were not made but those things were judgment calls this here appears to be a procedural error and that to me is a bigger deal if you have the Lions who we know because they run this kind of stuff all the time they’re very detailed in the way they do things right so they understood at least in some way right that they needed to go up to the referee and say and declare who is eligible and who is not in terms of those linemen and they were trying to be deceptive on that play and I agree with everybody who’s saying that you know when you do that and you are trying to be deceptive then sometimes things may get uh confused and caught in the crossfire but I think you know if we’re just going to say oh they’re deceptive so they played that game and this is the prize they win like everything is deceptive on a football field is it not I mean play action is deceptive now that’s in the in in the course of a play and not something that is procedural but I just feel like man if you understand what it is that you need to do to be successful and you think you’ve done it and then it turns out that because of a procedural error on the referee right that that is not what happens then I can understand every single level of frustration but the other thing is the Lions have to move on right because this does not matter anymore you know you can maybe look at it from the NFL standpoint and say okay well we need to maybe increase the scrutiny on This Crew maybe this is something where we don’t have them doing High leverage playoff games etc etc but if you’re the Lions it’s over it’s done we move on we move forward because there’s still things that you need to accomplish this season and reflecting back on whatever that was whatever happened there is not really going to help you yeah that’s true and I’m sure that Dan Campbell will impress upon his team those exact things but the bottom line is the Lions don’t have an important game on Sunday so against the Minnesota Vikings so it’s not really all that significant to get your team to get over it today you we’re talking about they better be over it by a week from whatever it is my gut feeling is if they play the Rams it’ll be the Saturday night game but who knows um it who knows when it’ll be but in Wild Card Weekend that’s when they next have to be ready I think they there’s about 94 things I’d like to say about this but I want to preface if and I want to start by saying that in my opinion the uh the the major fault here lies with Brad Allen referee you know he was too rushed to try to tell the crowd and then the Dallas Cowboys that number 70 was reporting as eligible even though there’s no indication that number 70 pitcher said anything to him and we don’t know exactly what happened all we know is that Brad Allen said 70 said it pitcher and number 68 Decker said that he said it you know obviously Taylor Decker the left tackle who the Lions clearly wanted to be eligible but this was a clear attempt by the Lions to try to confuse the Dallas Cowboys and by sending three guys to the referee which you know kayin Kaylor in the athletic wrote a really good story as we report record this on Tuesday and kayin Kaylor said this is a borderline very very borderline uh penalty because if you attempt to do this while substituting if you have too many men on the field or too many men in a huddle so that the other side of the field cannot tell exactly what you’re going to do that’s a flag so this is essentially the same thing it hasn’t been written out of the rules yet but it is the same thing you are attempting to try to convince the other team that you’re going to have somebody be the eligible receiver or eligible uh you know the eligible guy to yeah lineman eligible excuse me and when in reality you want them to think that it’s going to be somebody who you have no intention of throwing the ball to and Miles let’s make this clear okay that to say that the Detroit Lions and clearly the Detroit Lions Dan Campbell even said it at his press conference on Monday they were hoping that the Lions would that the Cowboys would be confused on this and they wouldn’t cover Taylor Decker coming out and obviously when the ref says number 70 is eligible nobody’s covering Taylor Decker because he is at that moment an ineligible receiver so the Cowboys never even thought to cover Taylor Decker why would they he’s not eligible to go out for a pass so when everybody is saying oh you know they cost the Lions this they I mean the bottom line is yeah Brad Allen was at fault here but by all this subterfuge the Lions ended up throwing a wrench into this so that when Brad Allen said number 70 is Eligible Dallas clearly was not going to cover number 68 and then number 68 Taylor Decker goes out uncovered and it wasn’t until the ball is floating toward him that the Cowboys Sprint toward him to try to get him to miss it but they were too late so you know for all these people who say oh the poor Lions oh they they the poor Lions just got screwed here let’s just remember one thing if Brad Allen had gotten it right and said number 68 is reporting then the Dallas Cowboys would have come CED and accounted for number 68 and then would Jared gof have even thrown him the ball I have my sincere doubts about that so look as I said at the beginning Brad Allen deserves the uh majority of responsibility for blowing this play but he’s not alone I don’t know anything I said that you disagree with or want to come back at me well I I would say that you’re right that he’s not alone in bearing the responsibility but again I think it’s a procedural error and that’s the thing that makes it the most frustrating because officials Miss judgment calls all the time and that that’s that’s something that happens it’s human nature but I think if it’s a human error in that moment especially that is a huge huge problem and so yeah look we don’t know though if the Cowboys would have covered Decker because just because they announced that I mean he’s still the way that formation was he was lined up as the left tackle because he was one over from the center basically right so you got Center guard and then Decker and in that moment you know if you look at the formation you’re not thinking usually I mean maybe you are maybe you’re not but you may or may not think I guess is my point here oh if he’s eligible that means I still need to cover him even though he looks like he’s just lined up in his normal alignment right and basically he is but also so he’s not so there’s a lot that then goes into that and it makes you think a little bit more if you are the Dallas Cowboys because especially if you get up to the line quickly and you snap it there’s not that much time to then realize oh wait he already reported as eligible and even though he looks like he’s just lined up as a left tackle that means I need to cover him especially because the receiver lined up to the outside of him is back so that means that he’s uncovered which makes him more eligible so like there’s a lot of things that go into into that and make it that detailed which is why I understand Detroit’s high level of frustration because they practiced it that way right I mean it looked like on the replays that they showed on ESPN that Jared gof gets the play into his helmet or Ben Johnson probably tells him hey we’re gonna run that right so then Goff you see him tell Taylor Decker hey man go report and pull him out of the Huddle to go do that so that’s why like I like I said I understand Detroit’s level of frustration I think it’s bad that it’s procedural ER but at the same time yes if you’re going to be deceptive in this way or try to confuse people there is a chance that you may end up confusing the official and that is just really unfortunate
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you had the answer, you literally said it. there is a difference between deception within a play and deception outside of it. generally one is allowed, and one is not. from injury reporting to substitutions, to eligibility changes the rules consistently are designed to prevent deception outside of the play. it is 100% on the Lions for creating a situation where 3 players go to him, only one is actually trying to report, but the one running at him is MAKING THE ELIGIBILITY CHANGE GESTURE.
Sorry, Dan, you gotta own your own shit.
I'm not a Dallas Fan, but everything I see points to the, while the Lions were trying to confuse the Cowboys, they tried to deceive the refs and it backfired on them. With no time outs left. At that point, they should have just said "Well, that didn't work" and kick a field goal to go into overtime. Instead, they try two more times. I can only imagine Lion Fans Screaming at their TV's " Kick the F**king field Goal!"
Brad Allen isn’t saying anything! Let the player take the responsibility!
Didn’t the LION HEAR that the referee say that 70 is eligible? Why they did not correct the referee and tell him it’s not 70 is 68.? I haven’t heard anyone bring that up in a conversation. The whole stadium and the Cowboys heard the referee say that 70 was a eligible receiver why Detroit did not hear and correct the referee?
The referre announced that #70 was eligible and even goes to the Dallas Defense. Detroit had to have heard the announcement and yet no one on Detroit is saying anything. The formation was also illegall regardless of who reported because #58 who didn't report is to right of #70. 6 men on the line and #58 was covered by the WR. Illegal formation.
Total BS about ok for Lions to be deceptive! What THEY did was in violation of the spirit of the rule! The Rule is to make sure EVEYONE knows who the eligible receiver is! Being deceptive about it violates the intent of the Rule for there to be NO confusion on who is declared! STOP blaming the Refs or you are going to end up seeing ALL the Refs going on strike! Players and coaches are NOT perfect and BS to expect Refs to be so!
To #70,
The moral of the story is "don't run up to the ref pointing to yourself if you don't want to be declared eligible."
Wow Peter getting old….The water situation at 0:30 was disturbing
Peter King is mistaken. He mentioned Brad Allen was at fault and too rushed and by reporting #70 as an eligible receiver. He said their is no indication #70 did this. This is wrong. Watch the video from the beginning. It is very clear that 70 comes running on the field performing the hand gestures to report him as an eligible receiver. He is running toward the ref while making these hand gestures and you can see the ref is looking at him.
The lions tried to pull a fast one and got bitten in the butt,and they could've kicked a field goal after and win it in over time,if they believed they were the better team but they played scared cause they didn't believe in themselves, Detroit should've gotten a penalty for trying to cheat.
The refs have an obligation to pay attention at all times during the game. Brad Allen was not at the pregame meeting and that lazy act should be enough to show he isn’t up for the responsibility. This should have been fixed in real time.
Peter you need a new sidekick because this guy Myles makes zero sense. How in the hell does he blame the refs for Detroit trying to cheat to win. It doesn't matter if Brad Allen's crew had issues in the past he asked about Saturday's game. How about this Myles away from common sense. Blame idiotic Dan Campbell for his foolish trickaration and not taking the PAT after the trickaration failed twice to set up overtime. He's to blame and NO ONE ELSE.
Jerry Jones sold his soul to the devil to get the home game wins.😅
Yep and what’s your point
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As terrible as the refs were in that game they did not screw up this call the lions did , what kind of idiot coach has a eligible reciever in number 70 who reports 5 to 6 times a game as eligible then you send out another eligible lineman!! You can only have one eligible per play and I don't know we ho reported what but as soon as 70 lined up covered up after it was announced on the inner com that play was dead by illegal formation regardless of whst 68 did . This is on detroit not the sorry refs. Blame them for whst they do not what they don't don't do and you'll still have plenty to blame them for
I think it's fair to say that Allen was not being methodical enough for these situations in high pressure games, and that the NFL needs to bring in full time refs that they can develop to have the skills needed to be a head ref in the NFL. I'm sure Dan Campbell drew up the play before the game, and it was a legal play. But it still has to be legally run. You can't false start. You can't be offsides. And if you want a lineman wearing 50-79 to catch the ball, they have to properly declare their eligibility and line up in a legal formation. I'm positive that Campbell didn't warn the refs to expect this bush-league bullshit, and it would be a much bigger scandal if he had outright asked the refs to play along with it. If Brad Allen had been methodical enough to cotton on to how the Lions were trying to sow substitution confusion, it should have just been a 15-yd penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.
ARTICLE 11. UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT. Using entering substitutes, legally returning players, substitutes on sidelines,
or withdrawn players to confuse opponents, or lingering by players leaving the field when being replaced by a substitute, is
unsportsmanlike conduct. See 12-3-1-k. The offense is prevented from sending simulated substitutions onto the field toward its
huddle and returning them to the sideline without completing the substitution in an attempt to confuse the defense.
Penalty: For unsportsmanlike conduct: Loss of 15 yards.
Skipper was coming in as a substitute, and beelined for the ref while not quite brushing the front of his jersey in an attempt to make it seem like he was going to be the eligible receiver on the play.
Peter King says Cowboys are too dumb to know the formation was with #68 as eligible and #70 was not, regardless of what the ref told them. He thinks they never learned illegal or legal formations.
Its a situation detroit created itself they tried to trick and cheat the system. Instead of being straight forward they tried to confuse everybody so if you cant win straight up you cheat. Cause you dont believe you can win a straight up fight.
The cowboys still needed to know 68 was eligible and they didn't do it wasn't just Detroit that got confused. And the only reason Detroit had the ball was because of a bs tripping call
If youre the Lions you probably dont wana call a procedurally deceptive play that requires the refs clarity on eligibility without a time out on hand. Also curious as to if the Lions did not hear Brad Allen announce that 70 was the eligible tackle and not 68, I mean if your Goff or Campbell and hear the wrong tackle being ruled eligible you gotta change course on the playcall or just take the delay of game penalty and kick the XP because the moment Allen says 70 is eligible that ruins the possibility to throw to 68.
The first thing I noticed when they ran the play and in the immediate replays were that 58 on the Lions was almost in the refs face putting himself between 68 (who was supposed to declare as eligible) and the ref and then 70 comes sprinting to the ref to insert himself into the little scrum. I played RB through H.S. and division II and every tackle eligible play I ever saw called, only the player involved approached the ref…to my eyes the refs should get a pass because in the chaos of the moment that the Lions created it would be understandable to misinterpret who was eligible and who wasn't. if i was the Lions coach i would be pissed at 58…he really caused the incorrect call.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes…number 58 was the main culprit and 70 came sprinting into the refs faces
Time to retire Peter. Cash your NFL check yet? Please. He reported. GO back to CYO, Lost professional coverage skills
What an ignorant take
And they had two more tries….stop listening to these crybabies.
Gosh, I'd always thought an NFL offense trying to deceive an NFL defense occurred on every play in a professional football game.
After watching the officials' conduct at the end of the Dallas/Detroit game, I was clearly under the wrong impression on that score and now stand corrected.
Lions were trying to trick the Cowboys end of story, they didn’t need three players going to the refs when only 68 was going to be eligible. Maybe the tackles need red cards they hand to the refs to be eligible. Blaming the refs to keep the “bad refs” narrative going. It was not their fault IMO. Lions were trying to be deceptive and they confused the refs instead. They also had an opportunity to correct it before the play because time was stopped.
That call would’ve never happened had the referee called the right call for tripping on Detroit earlier. Dallas would’ve ran t the clock out.