Talkin’ Cowboys: Tag, Not It! | Dallas Cowboys 2024

The crew discuss options for the franchise tag on the Cowboys roster, take a look at the linebacker class of the 2024 NFL draft, and take your calls.

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The following is a production of Dallas cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys football club how about them cowo Cowo this is talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the star in Frisco Street touchdown has suck Prescott keeps it and he bangs it in for the touchdown and now your hosts Isaiah stanback Nick Harris John mhod and Kyle yans it’s an offseason edition of

Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company Live From the Star in Frisco Texas and the swbc studios welcome in everybody we’ve got John Machota back in the building today what’s up John what’s going on good to be back good to be back it feels like

We’re in that lull we’ve got Nick Harris and and Chris beam in the back I’m Kyle yans but it’s that lull between the Super Bowl and the combine where there’s nothing going on whatsoever there’s no Pro days yet there’s no free agency yet there’s really nothing it’s the the end

Of the coaching carouso you get to see some highes we’ll talk about that a little bit later on but yeah Nick whenever you look at the NFL landscape there’s not anything happening really yeah the only thing you can really look at from the calendar is franchise tags

Are able to be applied starting today going forward for the next two weeks and uh but it doesn’t look like this franchise is going to use one this year I we’ve we’ve talked about it at at nauseum I believe so far here in the offseason and then during the season as

Well it just doesn’t make sense to put that tag on anybody right now going into 2024 so um I would expect the Cowboys to be quiet in in the next couple of weeks from from that instance but I think also you could look for you know before free

Agency I think there’s a couple of things you can still look for for this team and one it’s a potential restructuring of Dak Prescott’s contract I think that’s something you you could kind of look at but that could happen before free agency you can talk about CD

Lamb’s contract too I don’t think that necessarily has as much um importance of getting done before March 11th hits but um you know maybe trying to get a beat on the receiver Market before guys like Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase and those guys get their deals you know

That’s certainly something to keep an eye on and I believe Mike Evans as well is going to be up for um an extension this year as well so there’s a lot to still kind of keep an eye on and keep your keep your ear out for you know I’m

Kind of keeping my phone face up just in case for a couple of those reasons but yeah most definitely I think the focus is combine which um you know be in Indianapolis next week I’ll I’ll miss next week’s show sorry guys you know I’m

I’m just U I’m not I think I’m going to be too yeah yeah come on come on down John come on I think that means we’re all missing next week sure that sounds about right it’s going to be me by myself talking about the combine maybe

I’ll just do like a storyline esque type show where I’ve got just phone calls coming in I’ll I’ll learn from Nick eatman in that regard I’ll ask him some so maybe that’s how we do it I don’t know maybe the phone calls are you guys it’s you and Indie John and Indie and

Then we can go to is and Mount Kilimanjaro he got in yesterday after about 18 hours of flying so uh did you see the first seat that he was in so bad it was I mean he looked like he was doing he was halfway down in a squat

Like he had zero leg room hours for four hours Yeahs I think he went to Detroit first so you know that flight how long is that two three hours two three okay yeah there you go he went Dallas Detroit Detroit to Amsterdam then Amsterdam to kilamanjaro and it was about 18 to 20

Hours of traveling all in all and yeah he made it in yesterday he did make it safely than better better man than me better man than me what do you think about the franchise tag Nick talked about it a little bit there initially but this is an organization that has not

Been shy from using the franchise tag in the past is there any possibility on this roster that would be a franchise tackable player no it would be very surprising um I think it’s a no-brainer not to use it this year that’s why they’re not doing it that anytime I feel

Like the Cowboys there’s someone in the discussion I feel like the Cowboys lean on and I will’ll give them the tag I mean I don’t think there’s any better example than Tony Pard last year but I mean we’ve seen it past Demarcus Lawrence do whatever it goes on and on

Um so yeah they’re not shy about using it but I mean I look at that 16 unrestricted free agents I don’t see anybody that is makes any sense to use that you know people ask ask me like oh who do they absolutely have to sign who they Absolut have to bring back like

Absolutely nobody MH I mean now there’s definitely people that you want to bring back there’s there’s some key pieces there that would really help your roster but there is no in years past where you would have basically all the guys that are right over your shoulder right now

Mike uh you know Trayvon Diggs CD lamb Dak you know there’s there’s nobody like that that you have to you have to get that done I mean I guess if Tony Pard was coming off like a 1700 yard season or something like that of course then that would that would be somebody that

You you’d factor in but with that not being the case I mean I just think it’s a no-brainer that they wouldn’t do anything with the tag yeah there’s just nobody on that list that you want to pay market value for right now i’ i’ I’d be

Shocked um I think Tony Pard could have been an idea um before the season started maybe he gets tagged again going in 2024 but I I I think with the production that you got from him in 2023 it doesn’t make sense to to pay him that

Value right now I mean I’m thinking it would had have been excuse me not even regular season yeah they would have had to probably make the NFC championship game or Super Bowl and he would have had to be a big part of it where just like whoa well they’ve been saving this thing

Up for the playoffs where did this come from and he’s got like a buck 50 against Green Bay and then and then and then they play San Francisco and he’s got like 175 yards or somewhere you’re just like well we can’t even mess around this

Is such a big part of this team yeah but I’ve always said that covering this team 13 years now I’ve always said going at this time in the offseason I’m like well if the season a differently you can make a case for anybody cuz if it gets you

Finally to that Super Bowl you get wild I mean I mean I mean there’s keep everybody around if you’re balling in the playoffs and you got this Cowboys team to a Super Bowl I can make Arguments for a lot of guys but like I said I’ve been covering the team for 13

Years that hasn’t happened so a lot of these decisions to me are are relatively easy has hasn’t happened they have applied the tag every year since 2018 it was Demarcus Lawrence back-to-back years then of course everybody remembers Dak Prescott in back-to-back years 2020 and 2021 then it was Dalton Schultz in 20

Tony Pard in 23 so it would be the first time since 2017 the Dallas has not applied the tag I’m with you guys I I don’t think there’s a guy on the roster and yeah I don’t I just don’t think there’s anywhere who’s the best chance

Go there may I was thinking maybe a Specialists like like a Trent Sig yeah like something weird like that imagine Trent Sig gets the franchise you get the franchise tag on Brian anger I mean I don’t know what his contract situation looks like now he’s not he’s not up to

Be a free agent I mean I only I mean who are the top guys in there it’s it’s Tyron Smith it’s Tony Pard it’s Stefon Gilmore it’s botes and dorrence arm Gilmore I don’t think you’re paying market value for Gilmore but you look at what he brought to this team last year I

I’m just trying to look for the best case like who has the 10% chance well remember isn’t it the combination of the top five of that players or the aage Gilmore anywhere it be like Tyron Tyron Smith and um bodish I don’t think giv either of those guys top five money so

Stefan Gilmore would be in in in this in that conversation for me five years ago team doesn’t have Don Bland Trayvon digs is coming off that knee injury then I’m like that’s a because I’m of the I I think you need three like that’s no more two starting

Corners you need three starting corners but so I want Gilmore back there’s no question about that and and it sounds like from everything he said during the Super Bowl week that he wants to be back so I agree with you I want to bring him back I just wouldn’t want to give that

Franchise tag number uh Doren Armstrong no I don’t think you’re paying that top five money would be that’s that’s you’re talking gosh is that what Joey Bosa money if it’s if it’s top five let me see what it would look like for an they do something you do something

Like that honestly my biggest Takeaway on that is would be Micah must be playing a lot of linebacker next year that must be part of their plan because when you have Micah and and Demarcus Lawrence I don’t know how you would be trying to spend like even if you take

The tag out of it just in free agency yeah with dorren I mean they’re best two Edge rushers in Pre so it would be dorren and Dante Fowler yeah I honestly would be surprised if one of them if not both ends up in Washington with Dan

Quinn um I would like to have one of them back you know um but it would have to be that’s what like when I look at all those I know you’ve written about it too like those all those unrestricted free agents like there’s really almost nobody on there unless they’re willing

To come for somewhat of a Team friendly deal there’s nobody that you’re you’re looking at you’re just like well you might have to overpay a little bit to keep that guy it’s like no I mean it’s going to suck if you if you lose some of those guys but you don’t you shouldn’t

Be overpaying for any of them I really think Dorrance would be about a 20 million hit yeah it’s not going to happen absolutely not I think I think the only one that was a home run from the day the season ended is Trent Sig you got to bring him back but long snpp

5.6 5.6 for Trent Sig on a franchise tag I just I don’t think they’ll tag him like they don’t they don’t necessarily need to um and then as time went on Gilmore makes more sense with what the comments that he made in Super Bowl week

So I mean other than those two guys you look at gosh it’s it’s uh it’s interesting you look at Tyron Smith you look at Tyler botes and you wonder you know how do the team going to approach those two guys how do they pair that with the draft class that’s coming up

This year especially a deep offensive line class in the first round but the thing is we’ve talked about this on the draft show let’s say they go in on um Tyron Smith and they let Tyler Bish walk so they’re banking on getting that Center in the first round it doesn’t

Fall to them they all get there’s a run before 24 and and that Center gets taken off the board then they roll in with Brock Hoffman or TJ bass at starting center which you know they had their moments last year at times but how comfortable are they with that and then

On the flip side they pay botes let Tyron Smith walk so they’re hoping to find that tackle to be able to put it left tackle okay you fall to 24 that guy that you like at 24 is not there and you kind of have to reach a little bit so I

I wonder where they go with that direction how do they kind of play with that and is there an option where both come back and they still draft an offensive line in the first round I think there’s a lot of those uh situations that could play out yeah I

Just I’m looking through these numbers too and some of the tag numbers are just unreal I mean Gilmore would be 18 Tyler botes would be 19 along with Tyron Smith that would also be 19 Center is 19 wow well I think it’s just offensive line

Okay maybe I I mean that’s what it has here that’s unofficial don’t take my word for it this is off of a specific website that I don’t necessarily think pays money to the Cowboys so I don’t want to necessarily put their name out there but the it’s a good website though

It’s good yeah and so I I think there’s there’s ways that you can build this roster without the franchise tag and by ways I mean that’s probably the only way I mean it would be I honestly think it’s kind of shocking you just go down the list of forget who’s free agent right

Now you just go down the list of this Dallas Cowboys team and let’s say every single person on the roster was a free agent there’s probably only five or six guys that you put the tag on maybe I’m off but yeah I mean you wouldn’t you wouldn’t let Trayvon digs go you

Wouldn’t let Don Bland go you wouldn’t let Mah go and I think I’m almost done on defense I was going to start oh yeah and then and then on offense because I don’t think you’re giving 20 million to uh Demarcus Lawrence so um so then on offense CD lamb Dak

Prescott Tyler Smith Tyler Smith or Zack Martin so I mean even with that that’s we’re at seven yeah yeah Brandon Aubrey Brandon Aubrey also by the way I usually sit over there I’m a very distractable player oh are you watching TV over here I mean

When you look at that all it’s like very easy to be like but I keep like looking over them like there’s a lot going on over I’m very just wait till you like if you sat in on a draft show which by the way we’ve got an open chair so if you

Want to just stick around you can but uh they’ll put up highlights of these players like film highlights and all of us being film Buffs we’ll just start watching we’ll start watching like the hands placements and everything this new studio is phenomenal it’s it really is but I mean you guys

Obviously are in the Press Box after games and there’s some people and I used to think I was one of these people I’m not anymore but that can just work in the main area where everybody’s at and then there’s other people that work back by the tables this is after the game’s

Over I’ve become uh worked back by the tables because I’m so easily distracted by everything that’s being talked about after just imagine after a big win or a big loss how like loud it can get in that press box with people coming back from the locker room talking about

Different things they heard Jerry said this or whatever you weren’t by it so now you’re trying to listen in what did he say hold on am I going to have to Rew write this differently so it’s like I’m very I don’t know the older I get the

More distractable I am but now there’s a lot going on back there a lot of cakeball parties and cake ball parties of course we love the cake balls up AT&T delicious uh any other news and notes Here Nick before we take our first yeah that’s about it you know you look at

This little l in the offseason like you said you know this is uh this is the time where I think um you know players are recharging I know a couple of guys have been still in the facility dear overshown I’ve seen quite a bit still rehabbing and and getting going with

That John Stevens Jr as well the undrafted tight end that kind of popped during Camp so you know rehabbing still definitely going on um I haven’t seen Trayvon digs around but that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s not he’s not rehabbing um you know still doing his

His work as well so we’ll just kind of see as time goes on but yeah uh I think the big thing we’re looking for uh coming out of this week would be combined next week and then we we start looking forward to free agency that’s

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85522 97 is the phone line and then 817293 298 if you want to send us a textt message we’ll answer that as well Nick if you had to guess what is the number one thing that’s on the mind of Cowboys fans right now is it is there

Like an overwhelming just no I mean not overwhel guessing yeah just guessing just throwing a guess out there ah uh what big move will they make in free agency if any I think that’s probably the biggest thing you know Jerry talks about being Allin fans you know some are

Not a lot are not buying in some are you know maybe a little bit more optimistic than in years past so I think everyone’s trying to see what that looks like I would that’s a good one um if I’m going off of my Twitter mentions and maybe

This has to do with content that I put out but I would say for me my clear number one it’s not even debatable is does Michael Parsons need to be doing all these podcasts does he need to be at the allstar game does he need to be

Doing this does he need to be doing that Michael Parson’s off off season and things he does away from the facility are very high on you know people trying to get his autograph at the airport and things like that yeah so he’s actually trying to enter the Olympics you can see

Because he just uh won the MVP and the celebrity All-Star game and then he was tweeting out last night he’s trying to join a men’s softball league in Frisco so he’s trying to get all the sports done this offseason guys hey Michael we’ve got an open spot on our team if

You want to join you can come on yeah we were Runners up in our league last year we almost won it called the recess rejects we could totally make it happen that’s we wear the ugliest uniforms by the way if Micah doesn’t jump on let me

Know I I play some good second base all right missing a couple games I’ve got some kiddos on the way so we’ll make it work yeah you got three extra SP Phil yeah exactly all right we’ve got Eric in North Carolina on the line Eric what’s on your mind you’re on talking Cowboys

Hey guys how are youall today doing great how are you all doing well um I was just reading an article about from uh Patrick Walker that said that Jimmy Johnson is on Jerry Jones Advisory Board and I was just wondering if y’ if you guys could talk about that and um and

And just the second thing is I was I was wondering if y’all could give me your uh top five uh linebackers like on your stack my top one is uh Tommy ikenberg and I’ll just hang up and listen awesome appreciate you Eric two good questions yeah you can read that

Article on dallascowboys.com Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys are leaning hard into the makeup portion of their relationship as of late that’s the opening line from Patrick Walker uh his quote specifically on wqam 560 a.m. in Miami was since the Ring of Honor I am on Jerry Jones’s board Advisory Board

Now possibly with a bit of Gest regarding having an actual title so not there might not be an actual Advisory board for Jerry Jones but that’s what’s Jimmy’s saying here is he’s been in the back pocket of Jerry he’s been having his his own conversations since that day

I think that’s great to see from Cowboys fan perspective you know to see those two being able to not only come together for the Ring of Honor this past year but now being able to kind of work together in some some ways and you know Jerry

Reaching out to Jimmy for advice but I I don’t put a whole lot of stock into it as far as big picture stuff I don’t either it does sound good just because the last time those two work together uh it led to building a dynasty and that’s

What every Cowboys fan wants this team to get back to so of course you like hearing that I I find it just interesting just because of the fact of that never should have the community unation never should have stopped between the two of them you know and uh

I think there’s some pattin probably there on both sides I think both are a little bit to blame for that so however it came to to where Jerry finally put him in the Ring of Honor I think that that’s a a good move that helped them

Kind of maybe uh bury the hatchet and kind of get back on talking terms but uh I think it’s a good thing because Jimmy is a guy that a lot of people around the NFL lean on uh that will go down and visit him in the keys and stuff like

That I know over those years of the the dynasty years in uh in New England Bill Bel was doing that a lot so yeah I think it’s a I think it’s a good thing um but I don’t I don’t look at it as necessarily like oh well now that now

They’re going to return to the 90s Glory yeah what did you think about his second part of the question stacking some linebackers yeah so linebacker you talked about on the draft blog a couple weeks ago on dallascowboys.com potential double dip positions and I think linebacker is certainly one that you

Know could happen if the Cowboys maybe even pick up an extra pick during the draft it’s it’s very necessary to get one in the early rounds these are the top five that I have number one edrian Cooper out of Texas A&M um number two pton Wilson out of North Carolina state

Three Jeremiah troter JR out of Clemson four Cedric gray out of North Carolina and then five yeah your boy ikenberg uh there Eric um yeah I think he’s he’s definitely got some Run Stop ability he’s got that physicality that I think this team would need um I I think

There’s two types of linebackers that you’re kind of seeing in this draft you got the athletic guys that can cover all around the field and then you got some of the bigger set guys who maybe more down Hill guys that’ll stop the run you look at second levels like Baltimore you

Look at second levels like Kansas City and uh you wonder how you can kind of replicate those I think there’s a there’s a way to go in either of those directions with guys in this draft if they if they feel like they can pop on one in the second or third rounds I

Think any of those five guys would be interesting directions to take I’ve got Cooper from A&M Trotter from Clemson pton Wilson from NC State I like Junior Coulson from Michigan as well you talk about a big downhill Defender 6’3 246 seven I mean these are guys that are I

Mean that is a guy who stuffed the run and I I think Iken Berg’s in there too he’s just outside my top five he’s at number six right now so there’s a lot of good players there are you considering Dallas Turner from Alabama and Edge

Rusher yes I am too okay so I just want to make sure we’re on the same page Chris brazell’s in there too both out out of Alabama both kind of played that three four outside linebacker sort of feel I’m I’m considering them Edge rushers and I’m say staying more true to

Linebacker here with Cooper trod or Wilson and Coulson yeah mainly off the ball guys so our draft expert at the athletic is is Dane Brugler who obvious used to work on the draft show here does a great job I lean on him for a lot of

The draft stuff because I just I mean that’s his that’s his job 365 you know and so um I recently put together like 20 players to know for the Cowboys in the first round and what kind of stood out to me I used Dane’s top 100 draft

Board as kind of a template for it and it was interesting how he didn’t have he doesn’t have a linebacker in the top 38 players out of his top yeah and he has Coulson at 39 this is out of his top 100 uh just linebackers these are his these would be Coulson is

Number one he does and so these are I thought I was high having them as four yeah out of his top 100 he has five linebackers so it lines up with the caller asking the question and so he has he has Coulson at 39 Edan Cooper at 42

Ikenberg at 74 pton Wilson at 77 and trod at 999 and that kind of surprised me a little bit just as a Florida State fan because I’ve seen troter a lot uh with Clemson and I just think he’s phenomenal player I think if you if like

It lined up like let’s say that draft board went exactly like the draft goes if you able to get trer at 99 I just think that would be Ste yeah great great that would be beautiful that’s better than you picked Nan Wright and that means you’re pick yeah and that means

You’re picking something significant of value in the first two rounds to to pass over a linebacker that means you’re getting probably an offense of lineman maybe two maybe you’re getting a big defensive tackle like a sweat or something out of Texas in the second round I would love that pairing you get

An offensive lineman in the first you get a defensive tackle in the second get a linebacker in the third and it’s Jeremiah troter sign me up you know what impacts this a lot though is you know when we go to the combine next week it’s it’s not I mean it’s obviously about the

Draft but it’s a lot about free agency too you know going on Jerry’s bus there’s a lot I mean the agents are there the whole time so there’s a lot of unofficial talking about free agency things like that trades can you know discussions can happen and stuff like

That and it’s like if the draft was next week like I’m I’m thinking that the Cowboys are taking a linebacker in the second round and they might but if they make a trade between now in the draft or they sign some in free agency because Mike Zimmer likes this linebacker they want

To bring in a veteran and you pair that with what they have with Clark and overshown I mean maybe they don’t draft one you know but as we sit here today like R ripping off those five names like you’d think that there’s a decent chance that the Cowboys draft one of those

Players because that’s such a major position that has to be addressed no doubt no doubt I think there’s ways that you can address those positions but it’s got to be linebacker you got to find something there at some point this off season since they haven’t done anything

Yet we’re looking straight at the uh looking straight at the draft currently all right let’s go to nebby in Maryland what’s going on nebby uh uh hey guys it’s been a long time since I’ve been on the show so I I I I just got to say it feels great uh to

Be back on talking Cowboys yeah nebby thanks for calling in you’ve always been great uh uh thank you so much that means a lot coming from you listen I I have a comment I have a comment and then I have a question my comment is uh I just want to thank will mlay

Uh for being so loyal to the Dallas Cowboys and I really hope that we are able to win a Super Bowl Championship uh before he leaves this organization uh to become a general manager somewhere else and uh my question is uh do do you see dece fun having a role

On on the Dallas Cowboys uh next year because I am really high on him and I really think I I he can help us out uh uh uh Take Care thank you so much for being patient with me and have a great week bye great job nebby great job man

The uh the first thing about will mlay no doubt I’m I’m in all agreeance with him and and hopefully they do get it done because he’s done a great job of building this roster drafting that’s why it is exciting to talk about the draft in this building there are other

Organizations around the NFL where you look at the draft and you say that’s just another date on the calendar it could work out it could not here you’ve really built some trust with this front office and the way that they’ve they’ve angled toward the draft that’s what makes things exciting moving forward and

Will mcclay’s the the head of all that and the do spawn thing is interesting because I think that he’s obviously a great story and a lot of people love that about it but I just thought that there would be that we just saw little glimpses where they were able

To get them involved last year and I just thought more of that would be utilized as the season went on and there was less of it and so kind of like going with the linebacker thing it’s one of those deals where I don’t know I I kind of feel like

If we’re going in the draft right now I mean if you don’t have Tony Pard you have to draft a running back relatively early I’m not talking about first round but I would think somewhere maybe as early as the second or third but I just I don’t know that du vaugh is

Going to be the answer there where you look at him as like he’s getting 15 carries a game I just don’t know that that not with what I saw from the offense last year which is obviously going to be a similar offense to what we see next year so yeah I think the

Ceiling there obviously is a complimentary back that does a lot in the receiving game and potentially you know if if there’s one day that the team decides to move on from TP and then you know you have a return threat and duvon there but yeah his his opportunities and

This was something I kind of cracked down after the season with him specifically is whenever his opportunities came they came in times where the second team offensive line was in he was wasn’t really able to get many running Lanes not to say he’s not to take any fault but I gosh there were

Some opportunities you look at half of his carries and I don’t think any of us are getting any yards on those carries so um I would like to see him get that one more big shot during training camp and preseason next year see what he does

With that see if he’s improved uh going into year two and if he has then you know there’s an opportunity for him to be on this uh on this team going into year two but I I think training camp and preseason is going to be really big for

Him I did an event this past weekend for the Cowboys Club where we were talking about the season recap and we had it well not that but we we were talking about the season as a whole and we had a couple questions over duvon and here’s another one from nebby when’s the last

Time we’re talking about a sixth round player yeah in the middle of March or I guess February still about wanting to see more of this six round player the expectations are high for Duce Fawn but you got to remember who he was as a draft pick he was a late day three draft

Pick and working into the fold one of the comparisons I had with him during draft time and it wasn’t an uncommon comparison it’s Darren sprouls if you look at Darren sprouls and what he did in his first season he was with the San Diego Chargers 15 games he had eight

Carries for 50 yards did not have a touchdown and then he had three receptions for 10 yards so total yardage wise he had what is that 60 yards total his entire rookie season then he missed the entire second season with an ankle injury so through the first two years of

The league Darren sprouls had nothing go his way and honestly he didn’t end up really doing much with San Diego they moved on from him in 2011 he stayed five years with San Diego had a decent career with the Chargers then he moved on to

New Orleans but then it was when he got to Philly in 2014 where really things really hit the ground running Duce Von’s got to figure out a way to make it in the NFL and I’m not saying he’s not trying to make way he’s he’s as IM involved as an individual he’s as

Motivated as an individual he has got the right mindset to be in the NFL but he’s got to find a way to to adjust to the pace of play and teams are going to have to adjust into how they figure out how to use du vau and he had 23 carries

40 yards over seven games he had seven receptions for 40 yards so he actually had 80 yards of production compared to 60 for Darren sprouls I’m not giving up on on duvon just yet but at the same time you’ve got to look at where he is

As a player he’s got a long way to go and I think the team has a long way to go to find a way to use him he had a couple of fun moments in preseason he really did they had great moments that touchdown I’m looking at right here from

The Seattle game I forgot where he kind of he got he was getting spun down and he spun around was able to make it work 13 carries for 64 yards and two touchdowns during training C or excuse me during preseason uh right at five yards a carry so I I I think there’s

Still an opportunity for him to Make Some Noise yeah when you talk about the six round picks getting a lot of attention and talk so I went back and looked at what they’ve since 2016 they took Anthony Brown in the sixth round Xavier Woods Cedric Wilson Donovan

Wilson so all good players great great gets for second round but yeah definitely not the hype that matches up with what duvon has I think a lot of it too also has to do with that he was just a great college player too and a lot of

People got to see him tear it up and so it was just easy to see oh yeah this is the way that he could be used and and and and again like every every offense is different so it’s like just because he’s not being used in a certain way

Doesn’t mean that like he doesn’t have an NFL career um I just don’t I’m just going off what I saw last year knowing the offense is probably going to be somewhat similar um I just I don’t know how they’re going to use him more uh I I

I mean so much has to be fixed in in the running game before I even get to that and a lot of the questions around kavante Turpin in 2022 is how do you get involved offensively he got involved offensively this year they took him an off season he had 11 receptions 110

Yards and that big touchdown um early in the season so so there’s ways that you can get guys involved uh that was rushing yards by the way you had 12 receptions and 127 yards receiving I I think there’s ways that you can get duvon involved you just got to find a

Way to do it all right when we come back we’re going to take one more phone call wrap things up here on this edition of talking Cowboys and get you set for the week ahead and then of course NFL combine week next week when we come back

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That’s okay come on it’s okay Quaker Oats baby make it happen all right we’re going to make it happen by going down to the great City of Houston htx where Bruce is doing great work down there what’s up Bruce hey guys good show uh first time call I I usually speak to

Nick a little bit on the storyline but uh thanks for letting me in I I I really love the way you guys have your Insight I mean especially on the draft show it’s just very in depth and it really helps us novice uh fans you know uh really

Understand it even more my f favorite draft would be if we get that kid from Oregon as a center number one pck powers and then Swift from uh Texas as a defensive line and number two and then I would take Benson from Florida State running back or even brillan Allen from

Wisconson that would be an awesome three round pick for me but it’s all going to depend on free agency of course and yeah because it looks like tyron’s coming back for at least one more year so hopefully we only have to replace Center uh which might be a little bit easier

But a lot of the draft Boards show that kid going at 16 and 21 so I I hope we don’t have to use any ammunition to to go up and get him but hopefully he’ll be there because he looks like a plug andplay player but my question to you is

This because you know they they talk about everything Jerry Jones and Dallas we all in chips are all in well it’s going to depend on a lot on Dak Prescott’s contract uh I love Dak I think he’s a heck of a player but after eight years and in the playoffs I I

Think we need to go in a different direction so if we’re truly all in because obviously if they if we do what we did this year McCarthy’s gone I don’t know if them are signed more than a one-year contract but they’re going to blow the thing up so if you do redo

Dax’s contract whether it’s just for you know voided year so we can get some cap relief or doing a a true contract they’ve got to in my opinion make it to where no trade Clauses out of there now you can maybe guarantee him that we won’t trade you this year because we’re

All in but after that if then they’re going to blow this thing up so my question to you would be this if pennix is there at 24 the quarterback from is it Washington state Washington yep if he’s there would you I mean do they you think they value him more than they do

Trey Lance and you know I don’t know if you guys can answer on that but that’s what I would do I I don’t think any player even as good as Dak is should demand a no trade clause but that’s my opinion I’ll hang up and listen great

Show guys appreciate you very much Bruce I think the thing about Dak is you can’t trade him because there is a no trade clause you you can’t tag him because you you can’t uh the only thing you he just he’s got to say yes which is

Not going to happen right but I mean if they wanted to move on they could work something out with them I mean obviously that’s what the Lions did with Matthew Stafford I mean it’s not like this is it’s not like it’s a hard no trade like

Oh well there’s just well he can’t be traded no he can be traded but he would have to he’d have to agree upon the team that they were sending him to and believe me if he said cap would you have to carry there because he’s 59 mil it’s

Not a great decision I’m not doing it I’m just telling you that you can be traded but yeah yeah where do you go can I address one part of the call absolutely yeah I think a lot of teams a lot of franchises you could use the words blow

This thing up if it doesn’t go well this year I just don’t see any blowing up going here because even if you move on from the head coach I don’t see deck going anywhere I don’t see CD lamb going anywhere I don’t see michah Parsons going anywhere and so you can change the

Head coaches and you can change the coaching staff but it’s going to be ultimately about the players and the only way things would massively change here would be you’d have to go in a completely different direction at quarterback and I don’t see this team doing that whereas yeah I there’s a lot

Of great points that the caller made and I do think there are franchises in the NFL that would be considering that right now but those are more aggressive franchises than than this one is and again I’m I’m going more off of since I’ve covered a team but I’ve covered a

Team since 2011 and there’s been no blowing up I mean it’s literally gone from like it just rolls into the next thing like there was no blowing things up when they decided to go from Romo to Dak there was no blowing things up when they went from Garrett to Mike McCarthy

And so while that could be a good thing that might be the best thing that happens would be to blow everything up and and start over new that’s I don’t I would don’t see that happening with with with this organization at all if you trade Dak Prescott your window is

Officially closed and it’s closed for two three years until you can get a quarterback that you trust to be able to I don’t think that at all not in today’s NFL I do not think that at all if you get if you got the right player you know

I think that you’ve seen the Brock pities and the Jaylen herz’s of the world that uh if they did draft that right player at 24 I could I could see it going that way but that’s a big risk because that player could also have the impact of Johnny

Manzel but if we’re talking about blowing it up you’re not just trading Dak Prescott you’re trading cidd you’re trading Mah you’re trying to get as many draft picks as possible because you’re trying to blow it up that’s what I’m I’m saying just get it’s the same point you

Just made about the head coach yeah if the head coach goes somewhere that doesn’t mean Dak cidd and Micah are following just because your quarterback goes somewhere doesn’t mean CI Micah your head coach are following like it’s just one specific move right if you

Decide to do it all then it might be a window of two to three or four years I just I just meant I guess um with the quarterback is a bigger that’s the move that would blow things up because a quarterback driven League that’s the thing that whatever organization you

Look at successful and not the quarterback position is the biggest barometer of why that team did or didn’t have success you know and and I think Dak Prescott is a great barometer just like Tony rumo was of the Dallas Cowboys very good can’t get it done in January

That doesn’t mean that they’re bad that doesn’t mean that there’s not a 99% of the teams in the league wouldn’t want to have that player but it just they haven’t been able to get it done in January but they they’re obviously very good I mean this isn’t just a Jerry

Jones thing with Dak Prescot most people that know the NFL that are way smarter than any of us would think the Cowboys are crazy to move on from Dak Prescott you know and I get that fans are frustrated and because the team hasn’t had that success in January but I don’t

See the team moving on because there’s a way greater chance that you make it so much worse and when I say so much worse it’s not just like oh next year like I’m talking like for the next 10 years uh then if you keep trying to

Find ways to put pieces around deck and then finally you know get over the hump and maybe get hot in January well and this is all great conversation as well but even if let’s say Dak does say yes to a deal he does agree and he lifts the

No trade clause to go somewhere what what situation is he doing that for because it’s going to be a situation that doesn’t need a quarterback back cuz it’s going to take some draft Capital it’s going to take a lot of a hall to get him out of Dallas in the first place

Plus they’re going to have to make the room from a cap standpoint too what situation is he going to go to and say okay I’ll I’ll maybe sign off okay well he’s got to agree to this first of all exactly so he isn’t agreeing to this on Jerry just sitting there mentioning it

To him you know in passing that’s obviously a sit down meeting yeah and you know how pissed off Dak Prescot would be if you sat down and said that hey we’re looking at trading you so there’s a lot of teams that he’d be like oh oh you guys think I’m the problem huh

Okay yeah I bet you there’d be five or six teams and they would be able to get something done and you probably would see Dak Prescott play really well that next season for whatever that so I I don’t see that happening I it’s just

It’s a not a chance in the world I was going to say a mincu chance I don’t think there’s a single option for Dak to to be traded here Dak Dak Prescott’s gonna be here for a while yeah Buckle in Buckle in buckle up all right that does

It for us here on talking Cowboys great calls as always we might be back next week we might not because yeah we got a lot of stuff going on got a lot going on Isaiah’s still going to be in Africa me and John will be at the combine so we’re

Gonna have to figure that one out yeah I’ll I’ll fill the other seats maybe it’s you and Josh yeah maybe I I did uh I did get to see and talking Cowboys longtime listeners will enjoy this I got to catch up with Rob Phillips over the

Weekend nice um and I said hey just come on by let’s see what you uh let’s see what you still got and he said anytime so maybe maybe this will be a week where I I bring Rob Phillips into the fold see how it goes or I can fill the chairs

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