Rick Shiels & Tommy Fleetwood talk Ryder Cup, The Open, Pro Golf & much more!

0:00 Rick intro
2:15 Tommy is BACK on the podcast
4:27 Talking about the Ryder Cup in Rome
31:58 Tommy talks about The Open at Hoylake
37:45 Which shot from 2023 does Tommy want to hit again?
41:15 How to move on from bad shots
45:56 Tommy Fleetwood academy is amazing!
49:45 Tommy sons loving golf!
56:47 Tommy talks about the state of pro golf and LIV Golf!
1:05:10 What does Tommy want to be remembered for?
1:13:46 Tommys new driver!

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All right guys welcome back to the Rick Shields Golf Show podcast episode 27 in today’s episode we’ve got a very special guest Mr Tommy Fleetwood a few weeks back pre- Christmas we we’re out filming in Dubai I got the pleasure and honor and it really is an honor to spend

Time with Tommy Fleetwood he’s one of the nicest guys in the world he really is and considering he’s one of the best players in the world it’s quite rare we get to sit down with him chat about his goals his Ambitions how the rider cut was you know don’t forget he hit the

Iconic winning shot to retain the rider cup before continuing to go on to win the Ridder cup um so it’s pretty special really really special uh I think you’re going to really enjoy it sit back and relax now before we do get into that I think it’s also definitely worth a shout

Out for Nick Dunlap this weekend winning in the American Express the first amateur to win a PJ Tour event for 30 plus years all the way back to 1991 the last time in am won on tour and that was Phil mikkelson now Nick Dunlap has got an unbelievable pedigree he’s

Already the Junior Amateur champion and the amateur champion and what his future hold only NOS I think the last player to have both the amateur championship and the main amateur Championship was Tiger Woods so I think this guy is going to go a long way and also big shout out to

Rory for winning his fourth Dubai Desert Classic this weekend in epic style um really good I think he he could have gone backto back winning weeks he could have potentially won the Dubai Invitational but my man the guy who’s on the podcast today Tommy Fleet would win

It now this again it’s pre-recorded he hadn’t won the Debby Invitational at this point of recording um so just bear that in mind but so sit back and enjoy this very chilled and relaxed chat with me and guy and Mr Tommy Fleetwood we’re kicking things off straight away thanks for coming back on

The podcast uh no uh thank you I’ve just said actually I’m a bit less nervous than last time you weren’t nervous last time nervous you were so chilled and relaxed and you know what the in the last podcast that we did which was like nearly two years ago now yeah was it

Yeah it wasn’t last Christmas no it’s the year before which is one of the most successful podcasts ever done and still to this day one of the Snippets I got from that podcast was why a player relationship with a brand is so important a club brand oh yeah I do

Remember this now it was almost like a mechanic for an F1 driver and it ever since I’m like yeah it makes more sense to me now but thanks for coming on back on we’re here in Dubai mhm here at the DP World Golf performance center the Tommy Fleetwood Golf Academy it’s quite

A mouthful yeah you get used to it it’s the Tommy Fleetwood Academy at the DP World Golf performance center at jir golf States if you want the U that was nice full offic when you said when you had to say it enough times like you get it well one thing it’s stunning it’s

Absolutely stunning and it’s not even it’s like so close to Dubai we’re staying in Dubai and it took like 15 minutes to get here today um there’s two golf courses here Earth fire course we’ve got a little match lined up today on the earth course which I’m excited

About a rematch a 10 shot challenge rematch I as actually said you always seem to pick times when I’ve not practiced no don’t give me this stuff and uh when when is there a time that you don’t you know I’m not doing that people get their excuses in early when

They’re not confident and I’m not going to do that I take that back scratched down well you beat me last time so let’s see what happens weed a draw wasn’t it made a double you GL over that though Rick very very when you said oh it’s a a little match this

Is a huge match the 10 shot challenge with Tommy was it 4 something million still the most view 10 shot challenge we’ve ever done um this is redemption today this is this is a big one I’m excited about it I’m I’m I’m probably not that I might show on the golf course

Today but I’m a little bit more chilled as well today what te are we going to play whatever you want make it friendly though we’ll play a composite of course nice um anything exciting happened this year any kind of big event that happened uh kind of the

Back end of the year any iconic shots that you managed to pull out the bag and I don’t know what you’re talking about any any us fans that are upset with you how incredible was the Ridder Cup this year I’m going to dive straight into

That uh it was it was it was good it was it was very cool I think um like it’s it’s always like such a special a special time for us that um are lucky enough to make the team or get selected for the team and then and then

Play I think um and yeah everything revolving around the Ric cup uh is extremely extremely special um it meant a lot to the the ones you know that were there at Whistling Straits where the end of the day like we got an absolute you know

Thrash in and um so I think I think this this time just felt very uh just very satisfying um yeah felt like Redemption I think we I think just ultimately two years ago it’s it’s not that you get it’s not that you get beat it’s not

Losing I think it was that we just felt like um we didn’t play like we could we didn’t do ourselves Justice um as a team and then um two years is a long time and I think it happens every single radic C when one team has won uh there’s

This I don’t know everybody seems to like break it down and um and then plan on this especially this time I think if you look at um if you go back to won Straits we were a team that didn’t play like we could and we weren’t

Particularly I think a lot of us you know barring barring a few I’m not doing everybody at this service but a few of us weren’t in form or playing as well as would’ like the American team at the time felt like the Harlem glow TRS pretty much they were a very very good

Team and then I think um most people had their mind set in that it was going to be a long a long time of American like domination if you like and um well you showed them you showed him it’s not uh from from that uh perspective and from

That point of view I think we felt very like you know very happy that we uh you know managed to get it back I was there all week and I was there on the 16th hole in the grand stand on the left and you stood down on that tea and honestly

How you were feel feeling I don’t know I mean I was a few drinks in so I was kind of quite excited you were good you were good I was I was drinks so so nervous and excited and like I’m proud of you like I’m still on that tea and obviously

We’ve had the opportunity to film together a few times and and I stood there on that tea and I’m thinking or saw you on that tea and was seeing on the big screen I’m like this is epic when you looked around and that hole at 16th an iconic hole short so we actually

Played it about a month or so before the ride of cup and we actually played with the course designer oh did you yeah and he was obviously Dave Samson from European Golf design and he was talking about how he felt like that hole was going to be the real iconic hole because

It’s Ry Ward I mean most every single golfer went for it there’s no real point in kind of laying up massively no there was there’s no real other shot I actually remember playing it I played the Italian open in I think um it might have been 2021 one

Um and they they played it there’s a te like a lot further back and it was like a layup um we I think we played two rounds of a layup and two rounds of a of a driveable part four but at that point you could really see 16 17 18 15 as well

Like the back of the G the what what a finish like the Ridder cup was going to be uh so I think you knew then like it was going to be really cool and it’s pretty certain 16 was going to be driveable all week for the rad cup it’s

Just made for that so just explain it and and I’d love to hear you your thought over that shot you there you know at that point that your match is so incredibly important like you you know at that point surely if you win that hole you potentially secure the rerup

For team Europe up is that right is that what you felt on that te did you know that at the time yeah um yeah it was one of them things I think from like when we were warming up in the morning so I actually said said so to go

A bit further back don’t want to be boring but no no do listen I want to this I remember saying to CLA on um at some point on Saturday so so like uh you know as as players or as European players anyway we don’t we didn’t really

You don’t have a say in what position you go in or or where you go it was like you know Luke was very very good at leading the team and um he involved you where he felt like you would like to be involved but the rest of the time he

Took charge and everybody had the full trust in him remember saying on Saturday to clown I can’t remember whether I was in the middle of play like you know in between rounds or whether it was at the end of the day and I said I know where he’s going to put me

And I don’t want to play there oh really um well it’s like it’s just so the singles is a very strange feeling in the rer cut because you just spent you’ve got all the buildup and then you spent two full days where there’s only um uh there’s only four matches on a

Golf course at any given time 50 60 70,000 F so it’s like it’s such a tight and then the singles you’ll wake up and it’s so spread out and um but in particular like if you’re not out sort of say 1 two 3 or 1 2 3 4 Once you come

To warming up it’s like hardly anybody around all of a sudden it’s like drops off quite a bit and um and then you’re out on the golf course and you’re playing on your own ores and it’s it’s a very very different feeling and um and I saying I was like I know

He’s going to put me out of the back so there’s two things that are going to happen either it’s all over so then you’re wandering around just wanting to get in because you just You’ve Won and you’ll want to celebrate or it’s not over and like it’s going to

Have to come down to you and and it’s not gone the way that we would like it in the singles and then you have like a an unexpected like pressure at the end so there there’s those two things that can happen really and I was like don’t

Really want to be a part of that but she’ have preferred to be in the first three groups I yeah i’ I’d have rather gone out a bit earlier yeah but I play I played 11 in Whistling Straits and um and again like it it kind of your

Singles doesn’t mean nothing like you still got pride in in your point and your result but I remember we spoke about it a few times with Jordan I played Jordan spe in the singles at wion Straits and we’re at 11 radut was over and we just spent the 18

Holes kind of like and as much as you try yeah it’s just there’s not like it’s just very diff to it if it’s one side and it’s finished by that point you’re think finished and we and you know and and to be and to be fair it got to like

15 16 17 and we were all square and the crowd were more around then cuz we were at the end and then it got a bit more like you know a bit more intense but it’s just like it was kind of so so that was always a possibility um so does that

Does that spur you on that kind of crowd motivation that that almost I mean I see it as being almost pressure do you see it as almost been able to soak in the atmosphere from the crowd well I think um I think whatever you do uh the crowd

Plays such a huge part in those moments and um I mean if you take if you take the the 16th for example um you know one of the greatest shots that I’ll ever hit probably in one of the greatest moments I’ll ever have in my career if there’s

Not one person around then it’s not quite the same is it it’s like no that’s true true so I think um I think for that re like for those reasons the crowd plays such a big part in What are the memorable moments and what are those so

So yeah they they do they do play a huge part yeah just just on that moment though like obviously it’s to win the rider cup like that is massive in itself and like I a moment you’ll never forget but as a golfer already with a great career but that must give you something

Moving forward knowing you’ve been there in the biggest moment in golf and you you’ve had all those millions of people watching and tens of thousands around the tea that must be a nice feeling going forward now knowing you can do it on the biggest stage yeah yeah I um

So I mean I’ve honestly I’ve never felt so sick on a golf course for uh it when you looked at the leaderboard and and one of my like one of the things that came up in the team talk that night before was just don’t you’re going to

Look at the leader boards you’re going to look at there but don’t um fall in love with whatever the scores are don’t think that those scores are the be and end all cuz actually in four balls once you get to the you know the scores if you’re two or three up it’s

Very very difficult to turn them around cuz it’s generally going to take a birdie or probably more to win so it’s hard to change those scores so when you see them that’s looks like the real score but in singles yeah bogy could win a hole could win a hole and

Then you can have a rapid turnaround so it’s like don’t really you know worry about the scores take care of your point and I remember looking at the board on like the seventh or eighth hole and it just there was something about it I don’t know why but it was like it’s

Going to come down there was sh it went Shane me Bob the the back three I was looking at him and I was like it’s likely not that it will but it’s all of a sudden it’s looking more likely than it could the day getting really close and like in reality in

Reality I think we were always somebody was always going to get the point but like not quite sure and and you’re like you just you just have to keep going and when it and when it does come down to potentially it’s going to come down to

One of you it things start you know getting a bit bit more um nervy and there’s pressure on and yeah I did feel like from about the eighth or nth hole onwards felt very nervous and I remember trying to eat a trying to eat a protein

Bar or somewh down 14 and I took one bite and I was like nah this isn’t going to stay down so I’ll just leave it what does nerves feel like to you uh it’s a very good question like in a in a way like I like nerves of doing a rick

Shield’s podcast or like you don’t get these nervous but I think I think because on the outset you’re so chilled and calm I almost can’t ever Envision you being nervous but either you mask it or hide it very well but what like what yeah but what does it feel like to you

Cuz I I obviously know like I I get shaky hands I can almost like my I can feel it with me is that the same with you yeah I think you’re um you know your your heart rate’s going um you’re obviously you know very nervous like I could feel that

One in the pit of my stomach you know throughout the whole back nine um you know very very nervous and yeah there’s you know there’s parts of you that are shaking and stuff uh I think everybody might feel it in different ways but I would say what comes with the

Nerves probably the same for everybody uh and like I mean there’s nothing else to do is there but I just I just when I look trust yourself when I look at T pros and I see it in that Amphitheater certainly around that 16th I spent a lot of time on there enjoying

Myself looking down on on the on the players and just thinking they’re BL superheroes yeah you’re super human because I can’t you don’t look real in that you’re like Gladiators and I know it was Rome it was very kind of geared around that gladiator theme with the

Coliseum around I love that wrap around that first year with the Coliseum that kind of art work and again I was on the first here on the Friday and and just looking down you’re like H how I can’t comprehend how unbelievable you or every single player does um and I suppose

That’s hard work it’s dedication it’s all the hours you’ve put in in the past but it almost seems like you’re so chilled and relaxed and like even like playing up to the crowd like it’s just it’s just awesome but with that though is that something that you’ve seen in

Your career where you might have been either an elite junior or when your first turn pro were there’s guys who were great ball Strikers great golfers but when it comes to handling those nerves Under Pressure some people just almost melt and some people like yourself can can take that energy and

Use it positively um I mean yeah I mean probably I I always think um there’s obviously like levels throughout your career from a junior and everything that you continue to try and move up to and um I think the margins in golf are incredibly small but I think the um the

Amount of I I think it’s probably um something that’s overlooked or underestimated like I always think you know you look at the FedEx Cup for example is is a very good example for me so out of the millions and millions and millions of people that play golf around

The world even you know even in just America alone mhm 70 people made the FedEx Cup finals this year it it it’s a ridiculously tiny you know minute amount of players that that would make them finals same on the you know on the DP World Tour um how many people keep the

Card or how many people make you know the the DP World Tour finals it’s such a tiny amount um ride a cup 12 on each team it it’s so so small so um there’s OB you know tiny tiny things that will separate uh from you know making that team or having an

Amazing season or or whatever that is and uh whether that’s you know something to do you know whether that’s mental whether that’s um I don’t know the way that you you know people practice maybe that’s a bit of look um yeah I there’s just it’s just there there’s such tiny

Margins um and it’s it’s always difficult to put your finger on it but of course like um you know there’s there’s something there that that separates everyone but what it is well you you guys have have got it that’s what you got what was a better rup for you Paris or

Rome or is that too hard is that like is that like saying which is your favorite child is that is that of too hard of a question um it’s it’s it’s a yeah I mean it’s a tough one I think you know different to be honest all three of them for

Different reasons um Paris was my first one such a special like time and opportunity for me you know Fran playing with somebody who was so close to me getting off to that start he did so he did unbelievable you were were you undefeated in Paris me and Fran where I

I got hosed in the singles by Tony fale but I don’t remember um you know we won by you know a really big margin um and it it was it was so so cool I think Whistling Straits for for the tough you know for such a tough time that we had on the

Course I think that we for different reasons again we became so close off the course and we drew on what time you know what the positives were that week um um and it was amazing for for that so I think that you know that was great for many different

Reasons and then this one feels like very you know again go back to the word satisfying Redemption whatever it is but felt like we did ourselves Jus this this time um and uh from a from a on a personal level like having um I always think like whenever the ride of cup

Comes along you see all you always see the winning moments of those ride of Cups and those shots um like as if I was you know the one that got that opportunity out of everyone ridiculous so good like it’s still kind of weird well like I said

There was a couple of iconic shots obviously you’re you’re driving to 16 uh Rory’s pitch on 17 yeah I know were you there for that shot uh I I had such a poor view of it I was really annoyed I was like short right of the green so I

Can’t really see him and then it’s over like from us there’s a bunker at the front of the green so I couldn’t even see it so like the guys at the back and had an amazing view all I’ve done is see it on TV um yeah but I think he even

Kick started with was it Victor hofland whether he was one of the first groups out he chipped in on the first hole yeah I think it was the first group out and then you suddenly think oh my God I know it just set the scene straight away um excited about Luke Donald being

Announced as Captain again for in two years time yeah um yeah I think he’s uh I think he’s perfect um and I just think um I think a lot was made of um like the landscape of the European rer Cup team changing this this time uh it the not necessarily the

Actual team that was lined up to play but I think you look at um the the team the vice captains and and everything uh what people would have expected two years ago it was clearly very different and I think effectively like when I made the team in

Paris feel like you’re walking into that era of Ridder cup Legends and you know you’re walking into that team and and they were going to be here for a long time through Vice captains to captaincy and I think just with that the way things have been and that changing and

The landscape changing of the team I think the continuity of um Luke who’s been unbelievably successful and and then the team that will be around him um I’m sure there’ll be a lot of similar is there I think it was definitely the right thing to do for us he kind of got

Subbed in as Captain after Henrik Stenson being kind of stripped of captaincy so I feel like he needed a full run at it as well like I feel like he for himself he needed that no you’re fully Captain this you know it’s all yours this time yeah and I think uh like

Him him and Diane like unbelievable job he did he spoke so well we had so much like respect for him and he and he owned the room when he was in it um Diane was amazing um and I just think yeah like I think it’s it’s harsh that people might look

At him as being subbed in for that one because um I think when the rider Cup captain selection was going on I think he was very close to getting it I think it was very like 50/50 almost between him and Henrik so um I’m sure it hurt

When he didn’t get it and then I know he would hate to think yeah that that people would see it is that way but look at the job he did with half a term to try and get things right so um you know for him to just kind of continue and I

Mean like if if we if the team happen to happens to win in Beth Page black he’s got one of the best reres of all time like it’ll be amazing you’re fine them with the Ridder cup obviously golf is such an individual sport you know you

Know that by anybody growing up it’s on your own there’s some levels of Team element for your county or for your country the Ridder cup is the Pinnacle of that do you find that then moving you know you you find relationships and friendships with the rider cup that kind

Of last throughout tour life then that you become close to people from that that week yeah you’re definitely um for the most part like um you obviously have your your friends that’ll be you know on tour that you travel around with that you’re that you’re super close with and that you’re gr up

With um but I do think like when you’ve played when you’ve been in a a radic Cup team with the players um there’s a there’s a bond that you all have um that lasts you know you know that you’ve um like gone into battle together essentially and um you know what you’ve

Been through that week it it sounds D look I understand like we’re only playing like golf but it’s it’s so intense and it means so much and there’s so much for for us as Europeans I think we take a massive responsibility of carrying the Legacy that’s been going on

For a long time and I and I think it means so much to us so when you’ve done all that together there definitely bonds that stay I mean i’ I’ve been to I’ve been very lucky to be to a number a lot of really big golf events this year the

Masters the open but the Ridder cup is just as a fan yeah it’s different as a fan like every shot matters and and and every shot from the team you’re supporting you like every every time you look to a TV or you look to the golf

Course it’s like please go in please go in please go in but they open sometimes if it’s the third hole on a Friday it’s like well it doesn’t matter if that go in you’re not as passionate about every single golf sh defit to appeal as well

Most the Casual fan like I have friend who like semi inter golf he’ll maybe watch the open the Masters and that’s maybe it but then when the rider cup comes around that absolutely well behind it seems to make more sense well it’s it’s um I think by far when it comes

Around it’s the biggest spor in like occasion in the world so uh for us that are European or American and the ones that manag to you know again make the team like to have the chance to play um you know all the Mages are on a world

Stage and all golfs on a world stage but the rider cup is levels above that in terms of How It’s viewed um and then and the noise factor of the crowd and like you say every shot seems you know like f pumping on the first is something that

Very very very rarely happens and I would say like that Friday morning that Friday morning when you wake up um and you’re sort of head into the golf club and you get getting ready um there’s nothing comes close to it in terms of like the intensity levels of

What you feel and like the um the sort of Silence in the in the air like in the locker room and the tension and you’re putting you know when you’re putting your shirt on and stuff and you look around the room like it’s very very cool what’s uh what’s Beth pigee going

To be like what’s New York 2025 going to look like uh well we’ll see won’t we do um it’ll be a challenge that that’s for sure I uh I really really like everyone I you know you can already already look at it it’s two years away put it down as

A two-year goal to try and make that team and I would love to be there uh playing and as part of the team but I’m sure I’m sure the uh like New York crowds will make it pretty hostile environment Rick will be there cheering

You on in the 16 all we need what’s your favorite Tommy chant cuz you’ve got some absolute cracking Rider cup CHS one that I can’t actually say on on a is that your favorite though yeah yeah good I’m sure you won’t like that one likes that

One um I I love I mean the the class like Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Tom Tom it’s just like there’s so many I mean that Sunday night so I went uh down into the fan Zone on that Sunday night there was a concert on I can’t remember who it

Was DJ now but it the the atmosphere was just electric and I was into into one of the bars till almost closing and it it it seems that you just do not expect to see it’s a room full of predominantly men but like literally chanting your name like why would you

Not expect to see that it was absolutely awall it was crazy I was at one point in a bean a massive bean bag right bean bag being tossed up into the air and like my sunglasses got broke and all sorts and it’s just it’s like you I don’t I don’t know as a

Player because obviously you don’t get to see I don’t need to play it if you if you really truly truly truly understand how much it means to fans uh no you you actually probably don’t and and um again like um for the you know the week of the

Radic cup for example um we’re very much uh like you see us playing in front of you know all the the biggest crowd we’ll ever play in front of but um we’re very much in a bubble like the whole week like you’re you’re with the team um you

Know you the stuff that you do on the Range or on the course is obviously in front of everybody that’s there um when you finished you know you might you know eat something or get a drink you might stay in the locker room and have a teen

Talk or you might do the Luke might do it back at the hotel but then you’re in a car you leave go to the hotel you change in your hotel room and you go down to the team room you’re with your team team and and our you know Partners

Um go to bed wake up the next day you do it the same so you’re very much very much in a bubble like you don’t you don’t get all of that stuff I to tell you what if honestly if any player it wouldn’t be it wouldn’t you wouldn’t get through it with safety

Precautions but if any player turned up at one of those bars on that Sunday night I mean it would it was already going off it would be absolutely crazy um here’s an interesting question where how would you deem the success of 2023 to be for you personally and and career um from a

Uh so if if you look at it um like I would look at it in two or three different ways but from a results uh perspective uh very good without um without winning this year on an indiv on an individual basis um and you know that

Would be something that you look at that yeah you’d be disappointed of course everybody on the planet wants to win more and uh you know without question I don’t win anywhere near as much as I would like or feel like I might have the opportunity to do

So that might not happen forever I might win more than my first share coming up and I always try and keep a positive spin on that um because when I look at it from a performance standpoint from a consistency standpoint and where the level of my game was at I think it’s been

Um arguably this year as high as any of my um I always class like 17 18 19 were my you know best years and I think this year I played easily to a level that was as high as those so when I look at the performances and and the consistency of

My game and how I felt on the golf course I see that as a massive positive and I’m and I’m very very happy with that and want to continue that so um and plus you add to that I think um the Ric cut was unbelievably special Time moments that are that I’ll have

Forever the open at Hoy Lake um ended up being you know very very sad finish for for me in the end the way it went but I I look back at the feeling that I had on the first te in front of my home crowd um the first round leading the open

After the first round going out last in the open on Saturday in my home in you know one of my home opens um the way I played that week where I felt like I was probably um under you know as much pressure as you know anybody else being at home and

Stuff so there was a lot feel more pressure than the bird open um uh in a in a way yeah I think um probably probably more pressure but at the same time I think I was more experienced this time to to handle it and I felt a lot more prepared

Um cuz where where the birdale open you actually started badly in the first round didn’t I shot 78 yeah but then but then did incredible to make the CL pretty much on the number right yeah where this time around you’re obviously your expertise and your experience had

Really shown through the fact you were leading the open after the first round yeah like I you know I was playing well um and I did I started off pretty nervy that on that Thursday um and I didn’t really h a decent goal shot until about the

Fifth and around that fifth sixth 7th I started to get into the around a bit more started to like calm down and then I played really well and got on a good run and and puted well um so and then and then sort of found my way into the

Tournament quite well and honestly um that week particularly Friday struggled towards the back end of the round did well to finish with the the where I did got myself into the last group and then Saturday Sunday I played really really really well and uh putting let me down I

Didn’t particularly put badly couldn’t get the ball in the hole and it just felt hard from there and it’s you know like what it What It’s Like on link screens is you get days where you just look at the Port you don’t even line it up and you hit it

Towards the hole and everything looks like it’s going to go in and had a weekend where I felt like I couldn’t hold anything and I I played so so well and I was really happy with how I played and I just couldn’t make advances on Brian who who did you know unreal and

Then uh finish you know uh hit it over the back on 17 and made a triple but like you know very close again to having um my joint best finish in a major and it was at the home one so there was a lot of amazing things about that that I

Took from it just just on that though we hear you might have even said this last time we interviewed you but we hear a lot from tour Pros that you know you try and treat Majors the same as any other tournament you go into the same mindset

And I kind of get that from a kind of consistency standpoint but it must feel different the open for units in the Northwest it has to yeah it is I think um like I I think um you do try and treat them the same in terms of of um

Your preparation uh what you do week in week out uh when you get you know when you get on the golf course play your game stay in the present focus on all the things that you do that that you should do that sort of lead to the

Success that you have in any normal week um but there’s no getting away that they are different um particularly like a home open you know what’s coming but I think if you as long as you’re honest with yourself and you’re prepare for that like I you know

You very aware or actually I say very aware of what it’s going to be you hope that it’s going to be what you think it is because if I went to the first two and there was nobody around or nobody supporting me I’d be like this is

Shocking like I um so like you um so prepare for that like there’s going to be a lot of people there’s going to be a lot of noise there’s a lot of expectation on you you’re going to be nervous you’re going to want to try harder because of how much it means to

You and if you uh like I like writing things down so like I would write all that down and then I would you know on the other side I would obviously look at how I feel like I should tackle that or um and if if I’ve got that and I’ve got

A plan in my mind then I feel very much I feel very much more prepared and then go out cuz um in my experience maybe not everyone’s like this but those things crop up um and I might have started for instance in the open I might started birdie birdy

Birdie and add you know my expectations my emotion would have shot through the roof um and equally I could have started bogey bogey Bogey and then want to try unbelievably hard and get disappointed or something so um being ready for all those kind of scenarios in a week that

Means so much to you uh that things will be more difficult to like do things that you do every week like stay in the present or you know react well or whatever if you’re prepared for them then it then nothing it’s almost like a risk assessment like uh I think so yeah

A way you need to know all the crazy out outputs that might happen you know for example if you go and double the first right what’s my what’s my plan then if I start birdie birdie birdie what’s my strategy then and on like a normal you know I’m not putting any other

Tournament down but on a normal week I think you know you play very regularly so you’re playing 30 events a year say you on a normal week you’ll do those things pretty naturally um you understand that the 72 in a tournament and um you kind of I I always kind of

See my career as a a big long thing so like any hole doesn’t you might get up and down in the moment but overall I know deep down I’m you know it’s one hole out of tens of millions of holes that I probably play so like I’m I’m

Kind of all right about it reacting of course in at the time you’ll get angry or you’ll get upset um but I feel like I’m pretty good at you know reacting deep down and and getting back to it but just in in those ones where they mean a

Lot and and not to bring up any any sticky situations this year is the one particular shot that you could wish you could retake this year uh uh um and how how do you deal with that do you do you put it so far back in

The memory that it doesn’t I think mean anything if I could actually take one shot back um it it would be um potentially the um t- shot off the last in the Canadian open yes was that in regulation play that was the it’s a bit

Of an odd hole that though isn’t it it was only it was an iron off the tea that Len you like a fivewood in or something um and um it’s it’s a strange one so that week uh probably the closest I got to win in all year cuz you birded you had

Incredible run didn’t you 17 to go joint leader and you’re on a par five um easily reachable obviously with an IR in your hand off the T with the Fairway and a bird he wins the tournament that week I was actually struggling with my swing a bit really um

And I I started the week and I was hitting it really poor I was really really struggling um spent quite a bit of time on the rain having to go through like some different fields to just feel like I could get it going and I didn’t play particularly amazing in the first

Round and was just sort of steady away and then I had a really good third round shot 800 I think in the third round and ended up in the last group then played pretty good in the final round but I actually um LED Puttin that week uh for the tournament but interestingly enough

Like on a week where I didn’t feel like I was swinging my best was the week where you puted really well I puted really well I was you know stood on the last with needing a birdie to win um and um I’d probably take that shot back but

It was one of them where it was the same thing I’ve been struggling with all week I had like it’s getting a bit quick from the top and stuff and then a little bit nervous on the last got a bit quick on a fire fway um end up making power and

Then going into a playoff you’re in a really tricky slot on the right hand side where that hole yeah um did you go H you didn’t go fivewood did you no I I put fivewood down and um the well in my defense I am useless at the rough um and

Uh you when you say that I’m useless out the rough uh I I had a lesson off Rory at the ride a cup out of rough no way I did yeah because um the rough was really thick there and I know Rory is very good

Out of it and we were playing a practice round and I asked him to help me out the one week a year you can’t ask um but like yeah so like um I’m obviously quite a sh player like and um I get in rough and I I try I either hit

A big smother left or a big choppy cut thing that goes like nowhere right I’m I’m always wondering like I watch people out the rough and I’m like they make it look so easy or they’re so good out of it so I asked Rory to help

Me uh but anyway back to Canada like I looked at the lie I’m pretty sure a lot of people would have probably gone for it and I just looked at it I thought I’m going to with this like 40 yards yeah um so I went to lay up and I was wedging it

Great and I was putting great so just light up in the Fairway and like wedge it on give yourself put for it lone be old usess s a r carved it into more rough on his to over there the next shot was really hard the third shot great shot there actually

Um a great shot and a great put ended up making five um but yeah probably that t-shirt would be one that when it comes to to bad shots though everyone listening who obviously plays golf we’ve all hit bad shots we’ve all missed to put on the last that was going to be for

Our best ever score how much then do you kind of go away and either like you just try and forget about it just move on it’s one shot at a time or you kind of look back and think what could have done better like how do you move on from from

Bad shots I’m sure a lot of people listening want that kind of help there’s there’s like I suppose there’s a bunch of different like ways you can do it I would say um you kick the golf bag this is the Rick Shield’s approach throw the throw the club forward blame caddy I blame

Fin bag um uh so one thing I could be better at for instance is probably selft talk uh you know I don’t talk to myself particularly great all the time but um like I’m all right at moving on like um and um I just think like for me um when

When I te off on the first I know that I’m going to play 18s so while I’m out for those 18s going to have to it every shot anyway either trying it a good one or like you know don’t um nice one uh so um so that’s just that’s just how that’s

What I sort of try and tell uh my kids for instance you know everybody’s going to get frustrated and angry you’re going to with bad shots and again like there’s things that I can I I can obviously do better uh but I do know when I come to

Every shot like in my mind I’m out there for 5 hours um so while I’m out there you know hit every shot to the best of your ability and then like figure it out afterwards or something so that’s just that’s how I’ve always looked at him um and uh I

Think you know every everybody’s different but that’s just that’s just my mindset so that gives me like the clarity that I will just you know try on the next shot and I’ll Ju Just on that you mentioned your kids then I know you said earlier on kind of off camera how

Much they’re loving Golf and getting into golf do you still love golf like you did when you were a kid yeah I love golf yeah really even though it’s your job and you’re playing so much it’s still I’m Tommy Fleetwood and I love golf I’m Tommy fle I love is that normal

Sound is that normal for a Toro do some guy searched as a job and such a great job and you’re so fortunate but you know the I suppose from a professional level like golf is my job um like it is it is a job it’s a career

And um there’s there’s there’s I think I have to be there’s when it comes to like when I’m working or I’m at a tournament or you know I’m practicing before before go to a tournament say um you have to be very disciplined and I have to work on

The exact things that I know I want to work on um and get right and what I’m trying to improve on at any given time and that’s one side of it that that’s my job side of it and trying to um Chase my dreams and you know make the most out of

My career for as long as I can I will have it as my career and then I also think the other side is um I love the game of golf like I love playing with my kids I love playing with my mates I love um I love going um on a chipping green

Or a pitching area and messing around and trying different things I love um like maybe not today cuz it’s a very important match I uh I could go out and play golf today and shoot 100 and be just as happy like it doesn’t bother me one bit wow um I’ll just enjoy going

Around and messing around a golf course well cuz you know that’s not you know that you can play really good golf as well well yeah and and I just you know I um I just don’t care if I’m playing and it doesn’t matter like I just enjoy hitting

Gol shots or trying something or something and and I do enjoy the game I do enjoy the game for that and I enjoy anybody I enjoy spending time with people that love the game you know like uh like golf has been my life for um such for as long as I can remember

Since I was I look at Frankie now who’s six he reminds me a lot of me when I was that age and I was just getting into the game and I loved it was always my favorite thing to do and um but yeah I mean you look at it now and like I

Obviously live here and I will it’s bizarre that I would come to the Tommy Fleetwood Academy in practice like and I have something that is like important to me but I one of my main goals really is that everybody it’s like creating the best environment for you to grow in or

Um and that’s like one of my main goals you must be really proud as we sit here at the tummy lewood Academy I mean that that must be really really satisfying for you it’s it’s cool yeah I I do uh I do love it and it was um wasn’t

Necessarily always something that I had as a dream or a goal but I I guess as I and I’m still not old by the way I’m still like relatively young but I think um for for a while now I sort of everything I always feel like everything

That I learn in the game is for my like it is for myself but then I kind of want to use it yeah maybe it’s cuz I have kidss as well and they’re into they’re into the game so I want them to improve but everything I learn kind of want to

Pass on all the certain beliefs that I will get that and everybody forges their own like mindset or beliefs and it’ll be from their own experiences so I’ve had good and bad experiences that I’ve learned from every time and then I’ll just try and make them work in like in

An academy in like setting but like I say at evenings here they were saying it’s like 200 kids down here practicing it’s very yeah it is very cool it’s and you’re inspiring them uh maybe you are of course you are they get to they get to spend time you’re here and they get

To spend time and they might get to come have a picture with you or that you sign a heart and they’ll look up to you as a as a real role model not only here but at for and behold back at home where you’ve also got another Golf Academy I

Think you’ll whether you underestimate I don’t think you should underestimate your inspiration on young Talent who are who are growing up in the game because as much as yes you are still young you’ve achieved so much I think so many young kids will look up to you and go I

Want to be Tommy Fleetwood oh that would be that’ be nice hopefully hopefully they’re better than me oh you’ve done all right but like that must be really cool to see and you never know in next 10 years you know there might be a superstar that comes out of Tommy that

Would be yeah that would be a bit of a that would be that would be a dream I’ve said that a few times but um being able to play on tour like against or with like somebody that came out came through that would be the academy would be like

That would be amazing I mean we’ve seen it with like falo series back in the day and I’m sure you you played in FDO series didn’t you back in the day as well I chopped it around the falo series a couple of times yeah but like even

That back in is there to inspire young talent and obviously falo seeing success from Young talent coming through and becoming a tour player and stuff now as well so I’m I’m excited to see what happens from from Young Talent out with academies I would be surprised if there

Is I mean this place I knew today when we came here Tommy food academy it was going to be good your name’s on it it’s going to be good I’ll be honest hands up it’s better than I thought there’s two gy there’s an amazing putting green short game area range like

This literally I said before this is like would make you feel like a tour pro for the day coming here got everything you’d need and more we do we do have like um we do have an unbelievable facility I think um we have eight pros and two trainers I think and it’s more

Um like from a day-to-day standpoint and and and for the for the kids and the people that come here everybody that comes here the those guys are the ones that you know the pros are giving them the day-to-day experience and I think we do have an amazing team here so we’re

Very very lucky like very passionate always learning uh great personalities and like I say like from from my belief from an academy I’m not a coach and I never I never will be a coach uh but um like I’ve always looked for more in my career and I’ve always um there’s always

Something that you find that works for you or that you believe in that you think works univers ly and I think the environment um you know the environment the mindset the you know the lessons the discipline and the people that’s around the place are all like you know such

Important things and that’s kind of like my impact on it if you like that’s what I try and leave and then the pros are so good that that you know they just take care of everything else and who knows it might be little Frankie Fleetwood uh Frankie’s yeah Frankie is doing

Well he very very good um I uh yeah hopefully you get a chance to have a chipping comp against him or something he literally he barely hits a golf ball on the Range he’s not that interested in golf balls but he can hit it forward so at six that’s about enough

And then he’s chipping and points really good so I would love to see uh Rick sh B what um how are you coping with that cuz I’ve I’ve got three kids as well I’m trying to get them into golf I’m trying to get them encourage and and they they’re definitely intrigued about golf

I wouldn’t say they they’re dead into it just yet um we’ve not quite got a food academy where where we live just at the moment I think I think M into the bu um how are you managing that kind of relationship with your even getting your kids involved you quite I’m guessing

He’s seeing what you’ve achieved and wants to do what Dad does yeah I think um so Oscar and mo the two older boys they play very like into the game very passionate about it I obviously play um and I think Frankie just ends up has ended up wanting to just hang around

With us and doing what we want but it’s almost turned into uh this is what when I say he reminds me a lot of me he’ll come home from school so he gets home from school at 3:00 3:30 or something and he wants to go to the academy he

Wants to just come and hang out and practice his golf like chip and put and he get so much joy out of it that all my job really is is to just stay out the way um like I’ll you know um I’ll have a chipping comp with him and stuff and and

Put and then that you know I’ll take him out onto the course and we’ll play some hes I’ll just him off where I think he can reach the Green in regulation um but it’s like as long as he is enjoying it um I mean he six

Years old like I mean what else is there to do like just make sure he enjoys it like don’t get in his way and um and it’s it’s actually amazing watching he’s had like a handful of lessons um hitting it on the range with derad one of the pros here loves derad

And like loves his lessons but the rest of the time he never has like um he’s never had a chipping lesson never had a putting lesson it’s amazing how good they can get by either just watching or clearly just doing it well they just mirror it’s it’s actually

Amazing I’m sure back in the day it was Tiger’s dad he used to swing whether he was left-handed or there was a story around him being left-handed that wasson’s Dad was it melson’s Dad so that was right so mikkelson was left-handed because he would almost mirror his dad

Yeah who was right handed so he almost be looking at dad swinging he go okay so I’m going to copy that almost yeah but yeah it’s it’s amazing what they pick up just by like just watching um I I’m yeah was this the same kind of

Upbringing that you had as a kid did did you without the uh time for the obvious without the sunshine but like without sunsh were you kind of did you pick it up naturally were you kind of encouraged into it did you feel like cuz I think professional sports people often

Have to be encouraged and and if to some some degree pushed by parents to to reach their potential was that kind of the upbringing you had uh yeah I’d say pushed in pushed in like um pushed in certain aspects I think I never needed

Um I I do think most things uh for the very like Elite performers or the ones that go a long way I think everything has to come from like inside everything has to be internal in terms of um you desire and your discipline and um I got

Like for me again I loved the game then I love the game now um I you know I always wanted to go to the range I always wanted to play golf I always wanted to go chipping and putting and I and I still do now and I don’t

Need anybody to give me a push like nobody needs to tell me to go and practice an extra hour or two yeah like they need to tell me to stop if anything and I needed that then when I was a kid if you’re like um but I got pushed in um

I got pushed in like always trying my hardest having the right attitude um being respectful if you like I got pushed um me dad hated mistakes like um like but like death mistakes he he always understood bad shots and he would never get angry about a bad shot but if

There was something I could avoid by thinking correctly or think missp put or something he uh try ridiculous shot yeah he would get really frustrated at it so I got pushed in in those in those things but um again I never needed to get pushed in how hard you know wanting

To go the golf um and I think like I obiously look at Frankie for an example he’s six and he doesn’t he doesn’t need that but I uh there there there’s always an element of pushing and then there’s there’s different um different obstacles or different distractions that get in the

Way and I think when it gets to probably teenagers um you know like for what I think sort of if you look at I would always look at tager Woods or um watched David Beckham documentary recently and you know it’s very easy to look at David Beckham and

Think he’s like the coolest human on the planet Y and he you said very clearly and the thing you said going out wasn’t for me never wanted to party never wanted to do this I wanted to go and practice I wanted to hit free kicks and stuff and like it’s understanding that those

People that you might look up to did things that you wouldn’t that you don’t see or things that you you might you know other friends might think you’re lame for doing and stuff like that and I think at that point you just need kind of pushing uh to do that and then you

Know like the sorry the King Richard film yeah the Willam Ser Serena Williams the Williams sisters and that kind of showed that discipline you got you’ve got Serena Williams you’ve got like Louis Hamilton’s dad you got Tiger Woods’s dad who who have seemed to like have almost over pushed to some degree

It’s like a protective parent that can see uh you know that can see a bigger picture and and I guess as as a as a young adult or a kid you don’t see that as easy um or you can it’s very easy to have a dream it’s very easy to have a

Vision but actually do the things that in the long term will yeah you know I think sometimes as well you see some of these kind of pushy parents they’re trying to live a dream through the child that they couldn’t ever dream I think someone like yourself who so successful

Who’ve dreaming your own dream that the child then can just kind of look at that his brace and just enjoy it like you know that would be nice that would be nice I think you know of course like you’re going to get things right and

Wrong as a as a as a parent and there’s plenty of stuff I’m sure I get wrong and and right but you know all it’s our first time in it you’re only trying your best and you’re only doing what you thinky hard the hardest job in the world

Just leave everything to Mom it’ll be fine um well how do you feel or think about professional golf the state of professional golf right now that’s it’s a good question um because there’s lots of changes since we last did a podcast two years ago changes lot of changes

Uh I mean look the there’s still uh there’s a lot of tournaments um there’s four majors that uh a career defining every year still um there’s a lot of money knocking around and um you know there’s amazing players and amazing golfers uh to play against um wherever you are yeah do you

Think the money is good for the game well it’s good if you’re making it that’s it if you’re one of the players don’t get me wrong yeah L it’s um it’s hard to ever say that money is uh is is is bad for the game and I’m a

Professional golfer like who I can’t say uh money is um bad for the game I’m one of the ones that’s actually making it um like uh I don’t I don’t know as like for me being a I am ultimately kind of a a purist in terms of my dreams are still

The same I still want to try and be the best golfer in the world at some point even if it was for a day and I you know the open is still I’m still chasing the open and and that and um those are my dreams and as a purist that kind of what

I believe in and and again it’s still it’s probably easy for me to say when I’m financially okay and and things are fine and I’m like very settled um you know other people might say well you don’t know what you’re talking about like it it’s just it’s just one of those

Things and I think you can only ever make your own individual decisions and choices and whatever anybody else does I mean um I’m not I’m not going to leave one hour of sleep on whatever anybody else does like I’m still on my journey and I think that’s just what

Everybody kind of should focus on like their own life how do you think it’s all going to pan out what you what do you think the next 5 years going to look like for professional golf uh it’s going to be a different ball oh yeah CHR that’s a different that’s another topic and

Uh I don’t know I mean look golf as a game is still is growing yeah like possibly um and I think the opportunities are I can’t imagine the opportunities becoming less like I feel like there’s there’s going to continue to be more and more opportunities more

And more um growth in the game in both in both sides of the game uh like you know amateur and professional um what the tours will look like who has any idea cuz that changes that changes like daily what do you want it to like what

Would be your what would be your blue sky scenario professional golf in 5 years do you want everyone back together do you think it can happen any anything seems possible um is it a bad answer if I say like I don’t really no well I don’t think any of us

Know no no but I was going to say I don’t really care um I I not that I don’t care but it’s that um it’s that out of my realm of yeah uh you know I’ve had no part in any of the decision making nor do I want it by the way I

Have no and I without sounding like I’m sitting on the fence I have very little like opinion on what’s on what’s going on except for I know the opportunities that I have and I know where I’m going to be playing like the rest I mean like as for

I’m you know I’m in a position where whatever the decisions are made I’m going to look at where is best for me to become the best golfer I can possibly be and where is best to Chase my dream still and until that changes like I’m just going to take the decisions as they

Come and look at that it’s probably something that’s more the fans almost in a way that I think from a fans perspective we want to see the best players playing against each other which we get obviously in the major championship absolutely and and there’s players that like I said that that’s

That’s my choice that’s my decision and that’s how I you know look at it everybody looks at it differently and I don’t mind how anybody looks at the game and what is best for their careers and what’s best for their family or what they want to do where they want

To play that’s that’s for them um and and everybody’s going to do everybody’s going to do their own thing and do what they think is right and and that’s you know again like I don’t want to give an answer that’s like sitting on the fence but that is literally genuinely what I

Believe and how I spend my life thinking well it’s like you know you say you look at that I won’t name individuals but you look at some guys who have gone to live and where they were in the career and what they had achieved or hadn’t

Achieved you think you can’t BL you know you can’t I personally couldn’t sit here and say that’s a stupid mistake when they’ve got self for life and you know whatever but who knows it’s there’s a lot of discussions ongoing um yeah I just I just feel like as as a fan and

People who I just don’t know if it’s in the best spot right now and I don’t and I can’t see an end to it and that’s kind of frustrating yeah yeah yeah and and you know what I worry about the most Tomy as well with all this and not that

You need as professional golfs don’t need to worry I just don’t want our sport to look greedy yeah I I know I know and um like there’s there’s going to be numbers that are thrown round they’ve already you know numbers have already been thrown out around there and and

There’s going to be more I’m sure it’s a bit daed is it they’re unbelievable amounts but oh are we to like say that that’s you know if see I look at it two ways because I I get what you’re saying and it’s you know you don’t want golf to seen all about money

We know football or Premier League now it’s all about money but at the same time if there’s a lot of money in golf they have to make that money by advertising and you’d like to think they want to try pushing the game out globally to more eyeballs it has to pay

For itself as long for me as long as it filters down if somehow it filters down to to grassroot level to get more people into the game so it actually benefits the whole of game not just lying in the pockets of of Select individuals um but

Again I’ve said this from the from day one I fully agree that professional golfers should earn as much money as physically possible because you deserve it you’re unbelievably talented I get that it’s just I think now it’s become at the Forefront of people’s minds the money element like anytime someone wins

It’s the first thing you see now sometimes it’s not about the score it’s not about the trophy it’s not about it’s like the first thing you see now is how many millions each course and like and it’s and it’s one of those things um you know it’s um like uh a

Businessman it’s their job to make as much money as possible and um as a golf purist it’s your job to try and be the best golfer you can be um if the two align great you know some you know is it going to turn that does you try and do one or

The other I I don’t know but um and again like you say as long as it comes down as as somebody that believes in the game so much and that loves the game um the more people that can get into the game for whatever reason and benefit from from friendships from Health from

Enjoyment from something to focus on from the disciplines that they’ll learn from the game then the better you know me so I think with the money though as well it’s a shortterm story it might be a headline for a day but like I don’t know how much Cameron Smith won when he

Won the open don’t care all I’m thinking of because he won the claric J at the 150th in front of the old it’s only Majors that still have that potentially I don’t think a lot of other tournaments have that anymore I think that get into

I think that comes down to the how many events there are if there was fewer events that all mean a lot more yeah yeah you know like the players obviously mean so much etc etc I think it’s just the scheduling as well there’s so many

Events as a fan it becomes hard to know like well what’s this week or that’s not that big of event or but then Rory’s in Dubai and gets confusing but I think it will have to change won’t it what do you want to been remembered for in 10 years

Or even longer than 10 years let’s say you coming to the end of your career okay you’re hanging up your your golf shoes you you’re about to to retire from the game what what do you want to be remembered for for um I’d like to be somebody that

Um I’d like to get somewhere to feeling like I reach my potential um I uh this look there’s like I said I’ve got my dreams that I would love to achieve um and I’ll never run away from them and I’ll be chasing them the whole time the open in world number one uh

Yeah like I like those are you know those are out there I’ve dreamt of them since I was very very young and whether I achieve them or not might not even be the most important thing it’s that I’ve got some something to chase something that that’s something

That will keep me working um every day and something that I’ll enjoy chasing for the rest of my life potentially and I might never get there I might I might actually have got as close as I ever get but that’s not the point it’s having something to it’s having something to

Chase um you know I absolutely want to leave um like a legacy on you know the academy is very important to me um and how people develop in the game and what they gain from the game that’s something very important to me and I would love to

Um as much as I you know might achieve or may achieve or may not achieve um still at the side at the side of that I would love for people to think of Tommy Fleetwood or the Tommy Fleetwood Academy as something that’s doing so much good for people great um so that’s something

And um you know I I would love to beat Rick shields in a 10 shot well I get that that’s probably the third goal realiz number one third goal well again you know when you talk about dreams that you whether you achieve them or not it’s something to at like that’s that’s one

Of them I can guarantee if that is one of the goals that’s one that can easily be tied off but but like I say I think you you you I love the fact that that’s not changed I love the fact that in hopefully in 10 years you’ve achieved

Well even shorter term than that next next year you achieve the goals you know be great yeah but I feel like it’s nice that those haven’t changed and it’s still about performance it’s still about obviously you want to look after your family you want to be settled for life I

Totally get that as I said before I don’t mind any professional golf for doing incredibly well because you deserve every every penny um like I said but I love the fact it’s still world number one it’s still the open it’s still Ridder cup Legend but potentially

Ridder cup captaincy is that kind of in the in the dreams uh yeah probably I think I’ve got a lot to learn uh my hero cook captaincy went very poorly at the start of the year didn’t it I’ve got a zero for one there as captains you got I

Did learn a lot actually in the academy it’s one of my proudest things in my career that captain on that team uh they’ve got the the locker uh so we that hero cup we tried to uh I don’t even know if people remember the hero cup it

Was so early on in the when said it I was like oh yeah well I remember it but um you know obviously me and Fran got asked to be captains of those teams G uh gbni against Europe and um there was a lot of things it was part that was one

Of the things after whistling stes that we were talking about literally on the plane home from America um that we wanted uh it used to be called the sey but also in before the rder Cup in 2018 we had the EUR Asia cup where Europe

Played Asia so we always had like a team event and we felt like we’d lacked that because we either didn’t have the rookies that came in you know didn’t have as much experience in the team format cuz you know we’ve been playing professional golf for a long time you

Don’t get any team games and also like you you get pairings from those from those events um so the Americans have like the president cup don’t they yeah exactly so that was something that we wanted her cook came about uh me and Fran uh got the chance to be captains um

And but we had a lot of tried to make things as similar to Aid cup as possible so like you walked into the team room GB and I team room you had everybody’s locker and the kit and everything and um my locker is in the academy there cuz it

Was really cool cuz all the players left a little message in sign the locker at the end of the week which um even as a captain where we got beat they were still very pleasant with me that’s really awesome just on that in regards just back regards of Tours though is

Team golf that take it you enjoy is that something you could Envision a future of in some capacity or do you just prefer that grind on your own um that’s that’s a very good question as well um like yeah like team golf is team golf’s great like I don’t know whether it’s because

We don’t get to do it as often yeah that nice it becomes it it becomes like so cool when you do it um but without doubt like the family that we become um at the Ryder Cup or the you know at the hero cup the just the the team environment

That you create how much you support each other um how much you celebrate everybody’s like good shots when they’ve won a hole or hold a p it’s all brilliant and and winning and losing as a team uh is actually you know better than doing it on your own you know um most of

The time um although you know I still like say um for my dreams and Ambitions I can’t really do that in a team SP so well like say winning as a team I can imagine that that atmosphere afterwards is just electric like obviously I managed I was lucky enough

To Gate Crash the the Afterparty briefly not the after after party not the players but like I think I made the after after party but like just even seeing that where you’ve got yourself your family your friends around you know the players coming down in the bloody pajamas the radical pajamas like that

You don’t get that if you individually win you the individual win it’s you your caddy your team around you um and kind of really it’s a much smaller Affair very often you end up traveling somewhere else anyway yeah exactly you can’t really go out and get hung over

Too much think I don’t have that much experience in it I need to win more to let you know like I think if you grew up playing golf we all did from from being young that was my sport was obviously wasn’t great at it but I did miss that

Team element my mates who played football part of a team and stuff when he was kind of obviously junior teams against other clubs and I used to enjoy that quite yeah yeah playing County golf was epic yeah there’s more pressure on you is it it’s you know if you’re the

Final man and you’re on the green and everyone’s around do the Tommy Fleet would just win it and just do the old Tommy Fleetwood Squat and just dominate a lucky one Tommy thanks for your time it’s been a pleasure as always um anything else we didn’t cover I’m sure

There’s lots but just have to come on again for p three I think the golf ball debate is very interesting but we need to know a little bit more about that at the moment don’t we that looking like it’s going to be a universal thing now

It’s not even looking like is it’s for everyone yeah yeah I I don’t know I was a bit I was a bit surprised that it was uh for everyone in a way but I you know I um I’m uh I’m someone that golf courses we only

Have so much land so I I am uh you either have to change the way you make golf courses or um you know do something about it and start the ball going so far I I never want to stop somebody’s skill of being a long hitter and make and you

Know making that a closer margin or being an amazing drive with the ball and making that a closer margin but um you know overall from a long-term perspective um like either you know there there’s golf courses out there that do stand the test of time like a a Hilton Ed um a colonial

Um I always think that the courses where the the ball is uncontrollable out the rof if you like got somebody uh doing main cutting the we’re making we’re making the rough uncontrollable um but do you know where um you’ve always got a shot but there’s like flyers or the course is firmed

Greens are small there are obvious obvious ways of combating um like long hitting but um you still want to watch people eitting the drivers and still want to watch people taking shots on so you’ve got to find the best of both worlds and um you know I don’t again I

Don’t know what the right way to do that is but um can’t can’t keep making golf courses um can’t keep making golf courses longer that’s not the answer um so you know being able to keep long good driving you know long really good driving as as a strength and as an

Advantage um while you know making golf a bit more sustainable in terms of the land that we have is probably the the the next challenge if you like and we’ll see what the best way to do that is I’m excited about all the new YouTube videos

We can make with the new golf be like like Christmas has come early just one last thing then before we wrap it up speaking of golf equipment while we’re on that topic we don’t want to name the drive EX this podcast probably go out before the Embargo but I’m guessing

You’ve been tweaking with the new Tailor Made Driver and potentially putting that in the back what’s that like for you that process of of putting a new driver in you’re known for your driving obviously super straight like it must be a big task or is it simple these days

What what’s that like for you uh sometimes it’s easy sometimes it’s not as easy so um this one in particular I used it at the last event of the Year tiger and and Roy were using it if tiger and Ro want to use it you know that it’s

Going to be uh put in early that you’re allowed to use it yeah um so uh but this one’s been a really good driver so like literally I mean I I don’t even know um again when you go back to having a manufacturer that works for you um like

Taylor Maid um Adrian uh that that fits all my clubs with Taylor Maid you know let him do the work he he knows what’s likely to work for you and this driver was pretty much straight in as it as it was like and um for me it

Launched a bit higher slightly less spin like it’s been it’s been very very all the good things you know um like it’s been very very good and sometimes you just get a driver uh that might not quite you know work straight away and then it takes a

Bit more time to get one in there and I think it definitely varies year on year uh stealth to that went straight in that was a really good driver and this one again has been really good so again going back to going back to the F1 analogy it’s almost like some some years

Mercedes don’t bring out the the best car or it needs a bit more tweaking for the dri or whatever it may be it’s like it’s like a driver that comes out from any brand well and obviously different head models but I suppose it’s hard for

Tailor made or any brand to bring out a driver going to suit you suit Rory suit tiger and suit the Buddy General world of golfers too might suit you the colors this year a bit more though colors a b the colors a bit of blue there’s a bit

Of blue I told tet nobody likes red Red’s been no good to anyone well right amazing with your time again thank you Tommy um thanks for having us here at the Tommy F Academy here at the P World Golf performance center jir golf Estates very good first time in the edit

That’ll just be first time thanks for listening thanks for watching and we shall see you all very soon