Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! This is day 2 of 308 Winchester week. We have some precision rifles we are testing out. And we will answer the question, “How Accurate Are These Precision 308 Rifles?”
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Best .308 Rifles of 2023 (Hunting, Bolt-Action and Semi-Auto)
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion – the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me – from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I’ve seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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32 Comments
Typical bergara barrel 3 shots and then the groups look like dog water until you completely cool the barrel mines in 6.5cm I had a buddy that had a 308 one both of ours did that exact thing holds a good 3 shot group but anymore than that and it starts slinging them or then you get one like mine that had to have the firing pin hole bushed (piercing primers even with factory ammo) and is so powder picky (heavy bolt lift and extreme ejector marks with any reloading manuals minimum charge of Hogdon extreme) I had just about gave up and threw it in the trash I gave it one last chance with imr 4064 and now it seems to want to work still can’t do more then 3 shots at a time but 🤷♂️ bergara pretty much told me tough luck when I called be the first and last one I buy
I have the Bergara in 308 and have not shot any factory ammo in it. I have only shot reloads which they say not to do. Hard to swallow paying $40 a box for 308 match right now. Miss the days of 50 cent or less 308. At 100yds I was able to stack (9) of (10) rounds in basically the same hole with 168gr Hornday hpbt match bullets.
poor shooter ….
I love this channel and i love the content but i gotta be ron this wasnt they way to test accuracy. These rests are hood enough for normal target shooting. But if you wanna see exactly how good a gun is you gotta do thaf full on rifle holding rest such as the lead sled Dft 2 or the Birchwood Casey alpha shooting rest. They hold so much steadier. It is the best true way to find a rifles ability to group sub moa
You can tell Ron doesn't shoot the AR much. The AR has a free float firing pin. It dimples every primer when it chambers a round, 5.56 and 7.62. Second, he shot his groups with the Magpul buttstock unlocked. One lever adjusts it and the front lever locks it in. I also wonder if he had a disconnector malfunction and the hammer followed the bolt into battery.
I actually have both the Savage 110 Tactical in 308 26" and the Bergara B-14 Ridge in 308 18" shorty and my results are consistent with this video. The Savage loved the 178 grain Hornady Precision Hunter ELD-X with sub-moa accuracy. The Bergara loved the 150 grain Norma Whitetail also with sub-moa accuracy but didnt like the 178grain Hornady. Anytime I tried to shoot anything heavier than 150grain with the Bergara, the results were not great at all. Since I intended the Bergara for close range hunting, the 150 grain did fine and took several Deer last year. You just have to find the right load for your gun. 🙂
I have issues with removing and installing my bolt as well. So stupid.
I've found my Bergaras to both be extremely picky with ammo choice. My 308 loves Nosler 150 grain e tips and gets similar groups to what you saw. Going with Federal 150 grain lead free its a 1.5" group. The win mag loves Barnes TTSX but hates Nosler E tips.
AR-10 with lighter barrel might not shoot 3×3=9shots well without looong breaks. Even 4th or 5th might start to wander around because of the barrel and chamber heating.
1:10" twist rate? Interesting that 150gr was the winner, and not 168gr. But, once again, if starting straight 3 168gr rounds with gold barrel, maybe would have been winner?
I love those accu-triggers.
4140 is not stainless, time 12:13
Some rifles can require a "fouling shot", when changing from one load to another. Most groups show your skill which I sure enjoy watching!
I have a CVA Cascade Veil Tac which is likely that same barrel and action. It shoots 3/4” groups with 150 Grain bullets. 5” groups with 178 grain bullets. I would have never guessed.
I have seen similar fliers when switching between hand loads that would all shoot 1/2 moa groups. In the end the only reasonable explaination i could come up with was that i needed to shoot at least one (or two) fouling shot between each group. The differences in powder and copper composition must cause inconsistencies in the bore when switch between loads like was done in this video. Thought?
I have the Bergara rifle and I was surprised how precise it was. I mean I am no precision shooter but man this thing made me feel like one!! The bolt is also so buttery smooth. The only downside to it is that it is heavy!!
I think the HMR was being disturbed by the front bag. It needs a second chance without the stud Wapping the bag.
I own a HMR. Did you guys break these barrels in? HMR takes about 60 rounds to break in.
First off let me say hello from Alaska. Love your content on comparisons and history of firearms and bullets. I'm a huge 308 fan and have owned several throughout the years. Considering that you did have an AR10 platform rifle but mentioned weight several times, might I suggest a Ruger SFAR, they start at under 7lbs and with a light weight optics you'll feel like it could be a sheep hunting rifle. It comes in 16" and 20" lengths. My wife is very comfortable with the 16" and has mentioned that it really feels about the same as her x-bolt as far as weight. As for all the critiques you have recieved on your shooting, I would take them all with a grain of salt. It's much like martial arts, there's many different styles out there and the people who train in their specific ones generally think theirs is the best. But it really boils down to personal effectiveness. If you're consistent with your form, and put consistent shots on target then making a bunch of changes based on internet/youtube experts may only create undesired results. You're an intelligent guy, that was more for all the trolls. Thanks again for the content you provide.
22:29 buddy reached for the invisible bolt 😅 then says don’t get excited lol
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I have a Savage Axis, yes Axis and it is incredible.
2nd rifle 4140 is not stainless it's carbon steel
Imo people reviewing hunting rifles should consider running the bolts like you would do in a hunting environment. When you need a second shot you’re not going to carefully open then hold it funny so that you don’t smash your hand on the scope and pick the piece of brass out of the action by hand.
We need to see these things reliably feed and eject when run hard, it’s a big deal In the field
Let the rifles cool down a little more
I know a few hog hunters they’re switching to AR10 in Florida
All my rifles are like fine women. They are very picky about what you put in them.
Barrel and Ammo have the highest impact on accuracy.
When a rifle can put three .308 caliber bullets into a ¼ inch hole, you know you've got a hell of a load. 😂😂😂
As others have said. I love this 308 series. I am partial to 30 cal rifles and have a bias. But between 30-30, .308 or 30-06 i tend to be reaching for the .308 more than the others. I have been using the Hornady American Whitetail exclusively in .308. Great accuracy with reliable expansion. The 165 grain american whitetail have same point of impact and ballistic table as the 168 Hornady Match ammo. Great options for a gun that you want to do some match work and some hunting work.
Browning BLR would have been nice to get a lever action rifle in there.
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Why is there always the magazin inserted? If you handle the weapon on the range, mags out!
Imo I can get any cheap rifle to shoot better with hand loads than a high dollar prescion rife with mass produced factory ammo.