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In today’s episode, Bumble and Kimber discuss whether there is such a thing as ‘Spirit of Cricket’ and whether Jonny Bairstow’s stumping in the 2023 Ashes was against this?
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40 Comments
Won 2019 world cup by a throw deflection from ben stokes and these guys are talking spirit of cricket😂😂😂.. Thats the white mentality they only made the rules and now crying…
Can't watch the rest of this. Useless moderator asks a question and then interrupts time after time. Kimber and Bumble can't finish a sentence without Norman talking over them. What a waste of time. Ruined what should have been a great discussion.
Spirit of Cricket is the term invoked when teams get caught cheating or when their cheating doesnt come off.
You remember 2019 cwc final
The spirit of cricket is upheld by the rules. That's what the rules are for. To uphold the spirit of cricket. Do you need it written again?
How this is still being debated is beyond me. Bairstow was out of his crease and was run out. If the rule says it, then that's that.
Anything that england players, journos and boards doesnt like is violating the spirit of cricket!
– England journos, players and ECB
Merv Hughes should be the arbiter of that.
Don’t make excuses for rules of the game
the argument each time from Australians is 'it was definitely out' and 'whatabout when X did it'. Both undeniable; it was out and other players have done it/tried it. But complete gaslighting. The question is whether it was right
'humanity has nothing to do with the spirit of cricket' . . war is peace, freedom is slavery
Never seen Kimber so fired up. Loved this side of him.
The game has rules. You play by it. End of debate. No one cares whether you have spirit of cricket or spirit of a donkey 😂.
Someone should remind Jon about the Body Line Series. I played enough cricket to know myself that there is no such thing as the Spirit of Cricket.
ICC Spirit of Cricket Award – An action, moment, gesture or decision on the field of play in international cricket during the Performance Period which best reflects the Spirit of Cricket.
The ICC defines The Spirit of Cricket as a concept that encompasses values beyond mere rules and regulations. It emphasizes fair play, sportsmanship, and respect. The ICC defines it as a game that should be played not only within its laws but also within the spirit of the game. The current ICC Strategic Plan aims to uphold and promote these positive values.
To me, that statement is very ambiguous and really open to interpretation.
And this is what I mean.
ICC Spirit of Cricket Award 2023
A heartwarming moment from the 2023 ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Qualifier in Zimbabwe won the ICC Spirit of Cricket Award 2023. West Indies' Akeal Hosein was consoled by Zimbabwean players after his side lost a high-intensity match.
Sure, it is nice to see, but is it really in the Spirit of Cricket, or just a nice Human gesture.
Trust an Australian to justify cheating….
English cricketers are quick to call Aussies cheats, when they've done exactly the same thing including ball tampering, short memories
I think it was technically out but do remember after the sandpaper affair the Aussies saying they would play the game in the right spirit and the win at all costs mentality is gone.
That turned out to be a load of rubbish.
Nice work Jarrod. Keep it up.
There’s no such thing as spirit of cricket. Arbitrary nonsense that can’t be defined. If it’s against the spirit of cricket if you feel so, ASK THE ICC TO PUT IT IN THE RULEBOOK.
Like Bumble said, in the old days it made sense – for example things like the umpire's decision is the final decision, if the catcher says they've caught it you accept it and move on – these things should still exist in club cricket. But now with all the technology in the professional game, every close decision an umpire makes can be based on a multitude of replays, camera angles, AI etc etc. So spirit of cricket just comes round when salty cricketers are held accountable for making stupid mistakes. Even the Bell example he gives, its such a stupid mistake.
Plenty of English examples breaking the “spirit of cricket”. F*****g hypocrites.
“The spirit of cricket” is best defined as “England is losing”. That seems to be the only time that we hear about it…..
Great discussion, no room for BS in cricket. M S Dhoni was a moron who couldn't care less about test cricket. It was because of him India didn't have DRS for the longest time. The Ian Bell incident was also daft.
Jarrod so good
If you perform any act that is within the laws of the game, then you are acting in the spirit of the game
Spirit of cricket is Drunk British blabbering cricket 😂😂😂😂
Well done Jarrod. Define Spirit of Cricket is going to last for a while.
The Spirit Of Cricket is something bought up by players when it suits their purposes & is applied accordingly. So England who had not that long before done almost exactly the same thing to dismiss a Kiwi batsman which Broad was happy, about is now against the spirit when it happens to them. Why is it ok for a batsman to stand there when he has hit the inside edge of the ball & yet it is wrong for a fielder to claim a catch that hit the ground a foot in front of him? Pretty much every game in history has seen ball tampering-why is it a mortal sin to use sandpaper & even the Aussie PM decries it & Hadlee was saying how awful it was-while reminiscing about the good old days of bouncing the ball in, using your fingernails, a bottle cap, rubbing sweets on it etc? What is the difference?
Obviously something like the Bell incident is going to depend on the captain-Dhoni wanted to avoid an ugly scene like we saw with the Aussie thing & he wasn't a fiery character. Could you honestly imagine Allan Border, Douglas Jardine, Sourav Ganguly etc doing the same thing? Of course not, Bell was being a lackadaisical & arrogant chump by strolling down the ground-the ball was live, the umpire had not called over & the bails were removed-Bell was out. The whole response from him, the England team, the commentators & the crowd was ridiculously biased-they wouldn't have been calling for a recall if Dravid had done it. Also only a few years prior Sidebottom intentionally knocked Elliott over near the end of a tight ODI resulting in his run-out & Collingwood refused to withdraw his appeal, NZ won anyway & then refused England entry into their locker room.
In park cricket here in Sydney if that happened Bairstow would be stumped and told to fark off 😂stay in your crease! Also at the end of the over you should always tap your bat in the crease before walking to the middle. It’s arrogance from bairstow and stupid forgetting fundamentals of the game
"Law of Cricket are made to maintain Spirit of Cricket". So As long as you are within the Law, you are maintaining Spirit of the Game. That's it.
What a great debate !
I umpired a game where a similar thing happened. The player at my end started walking down the pitch after what he thought was the 6th ball. He apparently did not hear me calling a no ball during the over and I had not called over. The fielding team joyfully run him out and I have no alternative but to give him out and did so immediately, as I did not know why he had walked down the pitch in the first place and wondered why he did. As you might imagine the batting team not so much the player himself who was a nice chap went berserk and I soon found my self surrendered by the entire batting team. I wondered for a while if a punch up was going to start. However, I could not change my decision because it was according to the law and that is what I go by. Thankfully the batsman started leaving the pitch. Just before he left the field the fielding captive decided to call him back and they all kissed and made up.
What pissed me off was that they all had a great laugh about it in the bar afterwards but only one player apologised for their outrageous behaviour which was the batsman that I gave out.
No wonder these Saturday and Sunday teams have trouble finding umpires worth having. This is not to mention what has happened when I dare to give anyone out LBW. I once gave 5 LBWs in one game and guess why? Correct they were all so plumb out that I would have to have been either blind on a backhander not to put my figure up immediately. You really needed to be to there to have believed what happened after the 3rd one never mind the 4th and 5th. No wonder amateur umpires hardly ever give them and these idiots carry on playing across the line at dead straight ones like they are all undiscovered Brian Lara's.
These are all grown men in their late 20s to 60s. I only do this at all because secretly I find it amusing watching a load of generally untalented numpties take something that they obviously have never been good enough at, so seriously.
Suffice it to say I never take my young sons to watch these games any more in case they either start acting or playing like them.
The spirit in cricket is the sediment that remains in the mind of hypocrites
He IS being confrontational that's why he does it, to dominate and intimidate the attack. He's not 'seeking to gain an advantage' is such a stupid thing to say. ALL stumpings are stumpings because they don't try to run, that's why it's called a stumping NOT a runout!! England just are so arrogant that they think they can abuse the Aussies on the spirit of cricket to mask their basic mistakes. They invented destroying the spirit of cricket in the 1932-33 Ashes series when they invented bodyline aiming the ball at players head to stop Bradman, always classy.
What the Aussies did to Bairstow wasn't about the spirit of cricket meaning he didn't accidentally stumble out of his crease, or get impeded by someone and Cummins thought to give him a fair chance. He choose to walk out of his crease and therefore challenged everyone to do something about it. Even the umpires were not alert enough to realise what happened but the Aussies came to England as usual game ready.
GOLD from Kimber, really really GOOD
KImber roasted the fuk out Jon
Kimber didn't have to do Jon like that, smoked him
It is in the laws, it defined by what fair and unfair play is, that is responsibility of the umpire and the captains.
Stuart broad the biggest cheat in cricket talks about spirit of cricket. 😅
Where was the spirit of cricket when the ball went for a overthrow boundary after hitting ben stoke's bat at the worldcup final 2019