Let’s discuss getting into the deep pocket and how I believe it gets us more power. Then let’s see what I am doing to get there consistently.
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Great information. I know I don't get into the deep pocket and it is killing my whip, snap, and ultimately my distance. I'm definitely going to use these progressions to hopefully add some distance in the near future. Thanks!
Well if Josh isn't watching, he's missing out!! I'm watching; thanks for putting these out.
I’m skeptical about both the deep pocket and any kind of manual pulling of the arm. Pros such as Mcbeth, Schultz, and Feldberg never reach the deep pocket, yet are able to throw consistently far. Seabass has also mentioned the throw/pull being a sling and not an actual pull of the arm. Trebuchet disc golf has mentioned though there is a small manual pull of the arm, but it’s late and I imagine similar to what you’re mentioning here, but he mentioned for newer players not to focus on this part until they’ve developed better swing mechanics.
Physics say the acceleration of the disc would happen quicker through a centripetal acceleration, only achieved by the lower handle (the lower arm) moving away from the body. This is where I don’t like the whole notion of Overthrow’s straight pull. A straight pull is much slower than something that will arc out. Manual pulling will also put more tension into the arm, which could likely lead to an even slower movement of the arm and disc. Disc golf doctor has mentioned this too, which is why he teaches a manual bend motion that isn’t a manual pull. However, a sling, which could be a somewhat taught, yet loose arm (mostly the forearm, with upper arm acting as some support for the elbow and room inside) will bend naturally inside.
I might be wrong here, but I’m beginning to think a manual pull has been taught because it helps people not think about rotating their shoulders, which will get them more distance, but elite distance it will not. Trebuchet disc golf also talks about this, specifically mentioning a full manual pull of the arm, similar to what Overthrow teaches I can only assume, can only get you about 350-400 feet of distance. So, I really do think that a mostly or entirely manual pull is a bad practice, and that the pull term itself is a bad term to use when discussing the sling.
For me, I switched to my idea of (not really mine, more like Seabass’s description) a sling, and I’ve noticed markedly longer shots. I’m over 300 feet (measured with two different tools) with a mid and 350 with a slow fairway doing a slow and short xstep and not quite a full reachback. So for me, practicing this sling idea of the pull has netted me far more distance than doing some manual pull of the arm. However, I could be wrong, but I think we need someone who throws elite distance to change their pocket to determine whether deep or shallow pockets yield significantly different distances, or not, based on some observations.
Great insights!
Bunky great to see you out there, I am the Chocolate Town Classic guy, my name is Jon I played MA3! Apologies I didn't give my name there too lol lunch was short needin to walk down to the lower lot. I appreciate the kindness to talk with me, let's get this Broken Chains 900 round going! Excited to work with you on this one, iconic PA course imo. What's the best way to reach you so we can set somethin up?