The Get Up crew react to Jeremy Fowler’s top-10 QB list, ranked by NFL executives, coaches and scouts, before debating whether QB Josh Allen is an overrated player given a higher turnover rate and inability to get past Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes.
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No way burrow is higher then allen just check the stats josh allen lapped joe B in stats last year. He can not put burrow ahead of josh allen. The hate for the bills is unreal!! Josh allen is setting records every year
Why bother asking an “executive” ANYthing?
Look at Josh's playoff stats his turnovers in the playoffs are pretty low. I would say the top three are Pat,Lamar, and Josh
No Purdy?
No Jordan Love is ridiculous
“He’s number 10 because his playoff success amd doesn’t play big in big moments” puts Lamar at 4 when he has the same record as dak with a lot worse stats in big games 💀💀💀
Allen is supremely physically gifted. And seems like a great guy. But the mental aspects of the position sometimes challenge him.
10. Rodgers 9. Herbert 8.Allen 7. Prescott 6. Stafford 5. Stroud 4. Goff 3. Jackson 2. Burrow 1. Mahomes
Prescott and Rodgers being on here is a joke 😂
Purdy qbr in 2023 was 72.8
I like Jalen Hurts over Josh Allen. Josh has incredible ability and if consistent could be the best. But he's not. Maybe he's asked to do too much and the Bills are overrated, but regardless he needs to be more consistent.
Whoa,they put Dak and a 40 year old Aaron Rodgers above Jalen Hurts,like Hurts is no top 3 or even 5 OB,but lower than Dak,come on!!!!!
Buffalo BILLS have fallen into the same Trap The Oilers have had in the early 90s to nowdays. They started with highest of hopes like early 2000s Seahawks, but the Coaching needs to be Refreshed…Mahomes, Lamar, T. Lawrence, CJ Stroud and Smoking Joe owned the AFC!
Actually compare the amount of int's Allen has say against Marino, Farve, Manning Allen has less pic's in his first 5 years than those three who are pretty well regarded and are in the HOF.
Lamar Jackson gets absolutely no respect. 2 time, reigning mvp and hes the 4th best QB? Lower on the list than Burrow who was injured most of last season? Thats just stupid.
People say a lot of dumb stuff. Josh literally played perfect in the playoffs the 2021 season and the Bills lost it for him. He knows how to play winning (read nearly perfect) football
Why don't you mention how Allen has converted an absolutely absurd 49.0% of third downs over the last 4 years, which has to be the highest 4 year percentage in NFL history…or how the Bills punt the least over the last 4 years than any other team in the NFL? So to be honest, I will take all the turnovers, which are mostly overblown if we are being truthful, to have a historic ability to convert 3rd downs and not punt. Pretty sure those are far more valuable than a few turnovers over the course of a season. Oh yeah, they also lead the NFL in point differential over that time.
They don’t run the ball?? 🤣
Always about the turnovers on Josh Allen. Why didn't anyone ever say that about Peyton Manning, Marino, Elway, Brady, Brees, Favre, Brady? Allen has more total touchdowns, about the same amount of yards but less than or the same amount of turnovers in the first 6 years
Burrow over Allen is moronic.
Josh is number one
The best ability is availability. Burrow is too high of an inury risk to be placed at two and has lost to Lamar too many times. He beat Mahomes 1x in the playoffs with both Jamar and Higgins and a 1000yrd rusher mixon and has only made it happen once. No MVP’s no rings is great when everything is good but not top 2.
Taking Josh Allen over Patrick Mahomes is the literal definition of overrated.
I think Jordan Love could have been on there.
Oof the burrow hate is real. Love to see it🤣🤣🤣. Bro lives rent free in so many minds🤣🤣
The only reason Allen hasn't won 2 Superbowl is because the defense can't step up on important games
Mahomes is overrated
The dumbest thing about this list was that Patrick Mahomes wasn't unanimous number 1, you can make arguments for having one guy that is ranked too low to be higher or vice versa but what argument do you have to not have Mahomes number 1? I'd like to find out the person(s) who did that and their reasons.
Mahomes
Jackson
Allen
Purdy
Lawrence
Burrow
Stroud
Prescott
Goff
Mayfield
Their is no way Herbert is better than Tua. Statistically Tua’s the best quarterback in the NFL. Men lies, women lies but numbers don’t.
Lamar Jackson is better than Josh Allen it is not even close
Really not seeing what so many folks see in Joe Burrow….there’s no way he’s #2 in the league
How many AFC North titles has Lamar won?
Yeah I worked in player evaluation (quant and scouting) for 10 years, in a league that is well ahead of the NFL. This list is a joke, and frankly telling of just how little they understand about their own sport.
Allen and Mahomes are head above the rest.
Stroud is third and will probably soon be there.
Herbert, Burrow, Lamar, Hurts are in the next tier. All very different, but in aggregate, you get similar value.
Then, Stafford, Rodgers, Lawrence. Great players, but all fail to take advantage of the wide-open yards that can be gained with their legs given the current rulebook. That’s a huge hindrance. You make it easier on the defense, and put more pressure on your passing attack. The goal is to keep the defense guessing and forced into positions that aren’t their strength—a quarterback who can’t run, is a hindrance in that regard.
Then Goff, Dak.
Dan Jones is underrated, but low ceiling and high floor. Kind of the new era Jake Plummer. If you support him, he’ll get too to the playoffs, but won’t carry you like a Mahomes, Allen, Stroud can, or a prime Peyton, Brady, ARod or Russ Wilson could.
Jordan Love, Tua, Levis all have ceiling but all have serious flaws at the moment that player development needs iron out. Miami makes Tua look elite, he is not.
In the next gen, Caleb Williams is a beast, Drake Maye is overrated, and Bo Nix is underrated. We’re all rooting for JJ but not a lot of ceiling there.
I mean if the past 4 years mean anything. Statistically the two best QBs in the league have been Mahomes and Allen and it's not close. Whether it be regular season or playoffs. It's them two at the top.
So what yall gonna say when Josh takes the Bills to the playoffs and just may win the East again!
Mahomes
Lamar
Josh
Burrow
How is arod on here. He played 4 snaps last year. All love but come on
Neither Burrow or Allen. How is a 2x mvp below these guys. This Burrow hype is waaaaaaaaay wildly overrated.
The Burrow agenda is crazy and ignores that Mahomes played his absolute worst playoff game vs the Bengals in that loss. Burrow does not play defence, he did not force those picks, Burrow himself was unremarkable, just a bad game by Mahomes.
Had Mahomes thrown that many interceptions vs the Bills, Ravens or 49ers this year & played that badly, they’d all have beaten him too. Burrow just the benefactor of an anomaly, he’s not uniquely impressive among his peers and certainly not a definitive top 2 QB.
Lets be honest the only reason people are over critical of turnovers now is because of DAK. 1 SEASON. Yall have to try to maintain an unbiased approach so yall talk about Allen's turnovers but it's in a much lighter tone and that's facts!
Bart let his bias do his thinking when ranking Allen 5, because he's a Ravens guy. Yeah, they throw the ball a lot, and Lamar is right there overall. But Allen, while not as quick as Lamar, is every bit as productive a runner. He has twice as many career rushing TDs as Lamar. Shall we talk playoff performances? We don't really need to, becauae nobody in their right mind would pick Lamar over Allen.
Splitting hairs? Not in this case…
#3 and #10 have similar individual stats for their careers. #3 has no MVP’s and in the players polls he’s been #87, #10, #13 and #8. It seems that the players who play against him and a NFL exec have similar perspectives on #3. Pass happy offense allows you to pad your stats. 167 td’s and 78 interceptions. Take care of the football?
Burrow eating off a fluke win 3 years ago smh
Allen is not overrated, still i put him 4th purely because of his turnovers