Footy Abroad #13 | AFL Umpiring, Media Petulance, Who would you rather?

Join us as we dissect the latest themes and issues from around the AFL.

[Music] n [Music] [Music] n [Music] [Music] oh [Music] a [Music] [Laughter] hello and welcome to Hy abroad episode number 13 it is Tuesday the 9th of July 20124 you know what whatever let’s just get straight into it Jake Mr Saints TV the floor is yours mate wow Saints TV abroad Terry I’ll just correct you there winning winning in round 17 2024 AFL season isn’t for everyone and beating Sydney isn’t for everyone boys we are back we are back with a bang and I thank you you Terry I thank you for your faith every week holding out believing in this club almost more than I believed in them myself and here we are full circle the floor is Saints TV it’s a killer football club this week can’t wait to get into it pumped Pumped boys I knew that arrive I knew this day would come I’m glad you know what the fact that I don’t have to share the Victor with any any of you makes it even better you know what fair fair enough you should enjoy it it’s your moment to a week uh pommy our special guest welcome welcome back mate second oh man i’ start to get my feet up now as well and everything it could get loose and Mr swoop Luke with his great fresh beanie on liking the new uh positioning of the light in the background as well very very big fan Spotlight Amazon wind uh Amazon picture frame lights that I’m using very good always good always good uh how you guys going how you guys going it’s um the pies unlike unlike Jake’s team the pies are in a perfect position we’re we’re doing the old um the one two you know showing everyone that we’re that were’re no good and then just waiting for it so you know not playing our hands it’s like poker like P you know like a good game of poker you don’t so you don’t show your hand straight up I agree that’s a great microp moment with the tea as well no very good very good let’s let’s go around we’re gonna start with Jake because we just have to um what happened how did it happen your skin also looked great in your review by the way you were so gold and clear yeah can always tell when someone’s lost a game of footy and when they’ve won yeah the the post- win skin is is a thing um but yeah no it was um it was an interesting game I thought we played pretty well for for those did you guys watch it first of all just to know how much detail they need to go into watch second half to be fair I thought for the most part outside of maybe six minutes late in the second quar quarter where they kicked five or six really quick goals we were in the game we came out really well we attacked the game well we had speed on the ball kicked the first two goals could have been further up um and it was just nice to see a continuation of what I’d seen in the Brisbane game um a couple of weeks ago where it was it wasn’t chaos fast it wasn’t Relentless and I guess um mismanaged football it was really methodical and um it was led by Matas Filippo honestly um set the tone with an incredible return to AFL football so proud of him a lot of players can get you know subbed out of the vfl and really just attest their mental capacity and for him he went away and worked on his football and he was a big part of why we won in the end his last quarter 12 disposals a goal a couple of clearances and he was playing on heene and Warner at that point rotating uh makes it even more impressive so uh great team effort dugall Howard as well special shout out he was phenomenal everyone’s seen that touch on the goal line and him flying into the syney che squ um it’s just at that point we were five goals down and you know an hour later we’re ahead and winning so it’s those little acts that make the difference wow that Matas Filippo interview post game I don’t know who he did it with uh so good to see him speak so candidly at such a young age I remember when Tommy did his interview with him for for the draft series uh I was pretty impressed with him then but like he got something character wise he’s a good player obviously and he’s always going to get there but he’s got a character about him that he’s going to shine through yeah yeah I watched that last night and I you know he doesn’t fumble he just knows where he’s at he knows what he needs to do there’s no second guessing with him and I love the part where they asked him about whether it was his choice or Ross’s choice to go back to the seconds and his answer from that the kid’s got his head on right and um I’m really pumped to see what he can deliver in the next 6 weeks you know it doesn’t matter if we get the wins but it’s seeing him and these other players develop um which is crucial for our future and even Ari shmaker I mean there was a passage where he bombed it and it was a free kick to them but he kicked it from like 70 out and the like it was so loud it was just good to have that energy back at Marvel it’s been a while 30,000 and Sydney have got a lot of supporters and they all turned up in droves as you’d expect and we got louder as the as the game went on cuz you know you start to believe you start to think something’s Brewing here and it’s long overdue it’s been a tough season we’ve lost a lot of close games so it’s good to win one and you know let alone against the top team it’s makes it even better he’s up and about about of course he Luke what happened to the pies what was the story [ __ ] what what didn’t happen started we did the opposite of what what we’ve been doing the last couple weeks you know we’ve been finishing fast um these last few weeks and we wanted to start fast so that’s what we did Jack crisps three goals in you know under a minute 30 or whatever it was and um ident didn’t touch the ball within those within that 2minute time period uh and then we didn’t touch the ball for the next three quarters so it was um yeah it was a bit uh it was a bit of a seesing event energy-wise for us uh just the fundamentals were were wrong and I know that’s so cliche and so easy to say but brok I’d love to see and we can’t see it but I’d love to see a broken stat tackle cuz I feel like we they were just running through us and we were just putting an arm out putting a putting a couple hands out and just getting run through um and I want to straight up I’ve been saying that I haven’t seen enough of ident and they’re being Pretenders for me but on Friday seeing them up close um doing what they did to us I know we’re not in the best of form but doing what they did to us just running through reminded me of the pies last year um I don’t know how deep they’ll B into September but they’re going to be a fource like that that caddy looks that caddy looks really good they got a bunch of um really good younger players um yeah and the PES just need to go back and do their homework and we have another big all of our games from here on in a big um in the scheme of things but just big in general like another 80,000 plus on Friday night against the cats so it’s got to be interesting U hopefully Jam Elliott comes back uh a bit of our X Factor and um yeah it’s going to be a big big big seven weeks can I ask you something quickly would you have won that game with with Mason Cox based on would we have won the game with Mason um no I don’t I don’t think so he would have he would have helped us though I don’t think he would we wouldn’t have won the game he he’s not he’s not going to kick four goals he helps the structure because we don’t have a tall forward line we don’t have a tall forward line like he helps he helps the structure he’s not going to kick you five six goals he’s not going to win your games off the back of his own boot but to help Darcy Cameron in the Rock who hasn’t been who hasn’t had anyone sort of helping him for seven weeks Nathan Kruger is not a Ruckman Billy Frampton’s not a Ruckman um doing it all on his own most teams play two rcks and Cox is a really good tap rman and he’s got height like even if he doesn’t uh Mark the ball in the forward line he brings it he brings it to ground and bro Mauk has to get the number one Defender and I can see what Kane is saying but I can also see what Sam is is saying and I don’t really agree with Sam M on most days but I can see what I can see both camps um yeah he’s not going to win you games but for structure absolutely huge having a Target no it’s true yeah synchronized R kid py what happened to the blues mate oh [ __ ] me um it was it was a little bit like probably how I’d imagine a wedding night from hell right first quarter it looked like this was going to be the night of your life you know you had birds around your head there was music there was violin you were like this is it this is like the movies but then it was over in 5 minutes and your partner’s outside on the balcony having a cigarette and you’re feeling a little bit sloppy and unfulfilled that’s how I describe it we spent our credits early and gws really did put on a show they uh out C and cting and uh it was I’d say a humbling towards the end um we came back and we showed a little bit and we showed that we’ve got a a bit of Huts sper about us but it just showed you the levels of this game we’ve been saying this ad HW as confident we have been there’s about 10 sides that can win this game this league on their day St Kilda miraculous and I’d like to take some credit for philipo’s game as well I might have slid into his DMS pregame so uh could be the pom rev but um n serious though St kilder put on a master class to really put a bit of pressure and make Sydney hurry up and you saw with the blues and both Sydney and c and now have probably shown the rest of the competition we ain’t as good as we think we are we are beatable so it’s our job now to have a real big day on the training track and come out and slay them doggies so yeah yeah it wasn’t good but I mean as long as Jake’s happy I’m happy I mean that’s the most emotion I’ve seen Jake show on this show he was I I I don’t give it away for free the the boys are going to earn it and um they it they absolutely did they they did the job when was the last show that we did where the Saints won and the rest of us lost have we done one yet I feel like this is the first yeah I don’t think that I don’t think there has been a show like that there’s been like weeks where we’ve won someone else has won and someone else has lost or someone had the buy I think that’s happened a few times but this is the first time yeah yeah are they going to make a run they are they’re going to make a run week Crow’s Crow’s this week away is going to be interesting no ranking though so that helps I’ll be there I’ll be there flying there um and then we’ve got West and then we’ve got six games in a row Marvel after that okay to finish the year West Coast after that yeah yeah let buckle up ladies and gents because it’s the Jake show for the next couple of months smell I’ll take it I’ll take it no it’s good it’s good um all right let’s get cracking uh we’re going to get into our topics we’ve got one uh who would like to go first uh I’ll go first because I haven’t been on the on here for for a couple of weeks so we’ll kick it off um so I got a topic uh it was actually a comment and I can’t find who can’t find who said it it was on um one of my Facebook posts but it was a post about Josh carmichel so for those who sort of don’t follow the pi at the moment Josh carmichel um Collingwood player Young Collingwood player had to go to the independent concussion review panel uh because he’s been concussed three times since uh September um since an elimination final uh in the vfl um and he’s had concussion symptoms since preseason since the since the start of the year uh and he just hasn’t been able to get up he played a game and then same sort of thing hasn’t been able to get it up uh and he’s probably leaning towards the Nathan Murphy uh and and braa line where he will have to be medically retired um at I think he’s only 24 he was a mid-season draft pick um and which is so sad right it’s it sucks and there was that uh Western Bulldogs guy that who just got drafted and the same thing happened to him he’s only like 19 or something I forget his I forget his name and um it’s it’s really it’s really sad uh and and you know disappointing on his sort of career and stuff like that but the health is Paramount but anyway this comment said that the AFL and I thought it was I thought it was really cool something I hadn’t thought about the AFL should create a pathway where these um uh players who been medically retired obviously they have the the passion for the football because they wouldn’t be playing it if not they they should create a pathway where they become AFL umpires of of some sort of variety so there’s there’s no need for sorry not no need there there isn’t a lot of umpires at the moment coming through the system um and these guys uh have been living and breathing football for for so long and it’s the new age of you know you look at the irees now there’s not really any young younger guys coming through so you know you look at Nathan Murphy or obviously calling Josh Carmichael um these sort of young guys where they can still be involved with football they can still be involved with um you know the clubs and and all that sort of stuff on the big stage and I thought it’ be I thought that be really cool really cool idea where it’s guys that know the rules inside and out they’ve already got the fitness up and it’s just it’s just a sort of another pathway where it’s like you can still be in the AFL environment you don’t have to go away from us and you can um you can just help us to help us to help you really well we’ve got to find a way to get future umpires into the game somehow exactly they’re not uh not not coming through it I know like and it’s it’s pretty rare that people will be medically retired because of this it’s obviously not happening every single week but I thought it’d be a good idea to get the umpires yeah through like we know you know umpire abuse and all this sort of stuff kids don’t want to umpire like you know what I mean there’s no sort of there is Pathways but no one sort of doing it after all the abuse and and hate that they CAU like could you guys think of anything else that you know how could we get these medically retired players still in the AFL system you know coaching or but I think the uniring thing is is killing two birds with one stone do you think a player who do you think someone who’s a former player okay so let’s just take you know K Michael as the example um do you think they would command more respect generally from the public if they entered their hat into the ring as an Umpire got trained up and then started umpiring their first game this weekend I reckon I think so too yeah because you’ve got that uh you’ve got that leeway of like oh he’s you know we’re so sad for him he’s been medically retired and we’re going to give him a go he’s going to make some mistakes but we’re going to give him a sort of go umpires at the moment I just are like are sort of like pigeons you never see a baby pigeon they just they just appear you know what I mean so with the with these players just appear they’re just like 40 years old and they’re just running around at least so at least with these these newer sort of player or these players that have been you know that are young they can come through the systems like Lee fiser um obviously he was the he was an ex uh ex football player I don’t know if there’s any other ex- football players David roden’s goal onire yeah but how did he get how did he get there like did he do vfl did he lead up to it or did he just suddenly overnight become a I think it was I think it was I think the vfl is the pathway it has to be yeah I like it I like it it’s a good way to keep keep them into the game yeah and I think it’s a good way to just um yeah just just help them yeah be be be still present and they get the they in the in the sanctum they’ve been by these new rules for so long now they can kind of bring bring a fresh new look into the umpiring system do we know that a lot of these players would actually want to be umpires or are we assuming want to be because they can still pursue other things right 100% yeah yeah because it’s not full time they wouldn’t get paid what they could get paid somewhere else oh definitely yeah yeah it’s just I think it’s just a good little good little how it going you know do you think that with one of the most confusing things about our game is there seems to be different interpretations based on different umpires right and I think we all agree that 90% of the umpires probably have played the game just probably not at the elite level you’d imagine every AFL umpire has kick to Footy at some type of level because this is your native game do you think there might be an area though gray area so say someone like Josh car Michael who’s played it in probably the worst unpaired period of football he may start interpreting say they’re holding the ball rule which is hot a little bit differently because he’ll come at it on a player a player’s point of view which then could cause even more disparity between the decisions so just going with gws game the St kilder game the two games that I did watch in full start to finish some players were getting pinged for holding the ball depending on what area of the ground they were where the other umpires kind of let it go a little bit think that not would exasperate the situation unless we got at least least half of them as ex players yeah it’s a it’s the hardest game to unire in the world you know yeah would they have a better read on these decisions do you think they’d have a better feel for the game because they’ve been in it or do you think it would be wor like they’ over anal I think that would be I think that would be the benefit they would know sort of what the what prior is if they were in that situation they know what they would want to be paid or is that going to add to the confusion well aren’t X players the most qualified to Umpire game yeah 100% yeah you’d hope so yeah you know and maybe we maybe some of the issues that we’re experiencing now I mean I personally think we’re looking for what’s wrong with umpiring as opposed to what’s right and we’re always going to find what’s wrong you’re always going to find for what you’re looking for um I don’t believe we’ll ever live in a time where we say right now right here right now umpiring is the best that’s ever been we can only say that in retrospect um we never say it in the moment because that’s just not how the world is wide right now to be grateful but I would have thought part A lot of the issues that we are experiencing is because there isn’t a player um Centric approach to interpreting contests yeah yeah I agree it’s like when it’s like when you’re at work and corporate wants you to do x y and Zed but they’ve never been in the soues position before and it’s just not going to work out for you like they have to come and experience that so they know what’s going on like you can make as many rules as you want but if you’re not experiencing that every day in training as well like what the players are um it’s uh yeah it’ be different I think it’s a I think it’s a good idea but again go onto your point Jake they have to want to do it you know it’s good to say oh look let’s put you in as umpire but they’re like what would I want to do that for you know can I can I play Devil’s Advocate it’s not it’s not like me it’s not like me but when you watch other sports it’s really interesting so if you watch rugby soccer and AFL and then you watch ex referees or umpires or rules officials you’ll see the massive disparity between laws of the game and then playing the game but you’ll also see that believe it or not some of the dumbest people you’ll meet are the people that play the game profession so it’s it it’s the biggest like naivity to think of football and knows more about football than someone who doesn’t because trust me meet a pro golfer ask them how they swing a golf club they ain’t got a Scooby-Doo right because it’s natural so so to your point of where you say it’s like working in an office coming from University it’s a little bit different to that because this is an inherent gift to 90% of these players they they just switch off and do it it’s God go God has bless them with talent beyond it and you can tell mechanical so do you not think as well that maybe the shift would be to maybe have these players where I don’t think it’s the rules officials are [ __ ] up I think it’s above I think these rules are changed so like the holding the ball interpretation sounds great in theory we’re going to get players to handball quicker and dispose of it in reality though the players have always been doing that you’ve just shortened their reaction time down which then caused chaos in their mind which Pat to Crips mentioned this week it could Le some injuries do you not think they could be maybe make them full-time professionals but have some of these players on a board that looks at the rule changes so when when Matthew and Laura come up with these ideas and say look maybe we should shift this way it goes through to that panel and the players can then say look this is a great idea but in reality XY Z is happening in a player’s mind I feel the players aren’t heard at a at a execution Association none of this stuff goes through them anyway yeah but it’s more like a Mickey Mouse Union right who’s head of that by the way is that Dangerfield yeah I’m just assuming I’m just assuming he’s president of everything yeah okay yeah you’re just assuming that he’s the president of everything yeah well we said the other week he’s going to be CEO of the AFL one day so yeah yeah true he’s next in line big big bad danger that’ll be the day pommy we’re doing we’re doing we’re doing doing live streams good look for any [ __ ] doors opening after all I’ve said about danger so sorry your career Terry whoops um but no no no I think it’s interesting swe because I I think you look at other sports I look at NFL NFL created with their CTE they created alternative Pathways so that was part of the way they negated the law lawsuits and if you actually go and read the Black Book of CTE in America it is kind of worrying of what might come out in Australia because it was literally just toughen up do you I mean like oh you forgotten your wedding day oh well do you I mean it was like kind of brushed under the carpet they had to have Pathways so the NFL has Pathways to Junior coaching to senior coaching University College Jet Systems things like that so I think it would be really really interesting to see maybe having a pathway to keep them in the game should they want to as opposed to just one Ro rule r y love it yeah no agreed agreed love it all right I like it Luke uh I’m going to go next I want to talk about media petulant so my topic was sparked from watching a 12-minute video last night um Caro and Jeff k and the way that they promoted the whole back and forth and oh Jeff Ken’s coming on to answer the the hard-hitting questions um boys it’s happening the industry is falling like it’s it’s falling rapidly before our eyes like when you need to bring in Jeff kennet to sit in front of Caroline Wilson and and and Sammy Mur and and lyo and uh and Kane corns and that’s that’s the promotion mate we’re talking like the dustiest of Dusty at the moment um and also what are we teaching the Next Generation what are they teaching the next generation of journalists which will come in the form of probably content creators um because all I’ve seen from this industry that is above us or before us is gotta moments petulant BLS taking the piss out of each other um the personal Jabs at each other why aren’t we celebrating the game and why aren’t why aren’t we celebrating the game and why are we always looking for this Scandal we’re always looking for well not we not us personally but it’s always about the Clicks in it like they their ratings would have shut up they’re looking for that headline they want those they want those clicks and and K KS does it like one of the one of the best uh but you’ll have you know you have other guys like you know like David King and and Lee mono to to a certain extent like first crack and and all those sort of things um where they actually go into the game and it’s really nice they don’t get as much coverage as Kane K’s telling Sam M to shut the [ __ ] up like on national TV you know what I mean but you know David King is like is dissecting you know um you know sheel two onone in that in that game against the goal coach right at the end and he’s dissecting his pathway and how far he went and how this and how he did this but oh K corns told told Sam that [ __ ] his [ __ ] and don’t talk over me of course it’s going to get more clicks and when when everything is when everything is just clipped in like six seconds on Tik Tok or on Instagram that’s just that’s just the way it’s um the way it’s going and and I obviously I don’t I have never studied journalism or anything like that but I can guarantee if if have I I studed journalism you absolutely have you’ve through the work that you’ve done you’ve studied journalism for sure you have I guess you haven’t got a you haven’t got a piece of paper from an institution that says you studied it their way but you definitely yeah true true let me rephrase like the courses now I I think that I haven’t seen would be a lot of that a lot of what can you do to to Garner the most on the internet yeah hold the attention grab it y yeah what did you guys think of um what Robo said now that we’re talking about this about Carlton and how they haven’t won anything yet what do you think of that was that just I actually haven’t listened to it in full I haven’t seen it in full but I think he went to say something and then he he’s like oh no no I won’t say that sorry V like I’ll apologize to Michael Voss or like Robo was going to go on a weird at that point what’s weird is that there seems to be this perception that Carlson fans think that we’ve done it we know more than anyone there’s a long way to go we’re just enjoying this because it looks as real as it’s ever looked for the first time in a generation um y yeah what Robo says resp I couldn’t really couldn’t care less yeah it’s just weird I used to used to love reading his uh The Tackle his article in the in the herald son us to love it used to go to school every day or every week and wait for it and like read it and just really get into it and it’s I couldn’t care less yeah what do you think Tommy you’re quietly something’s going through your head right now I can I can see it it is I’m just trying to find the articulation but I strongly disagree with Terry that they set the example for Content creators or pav the way I think it already happens so I think all of us I mean let’s just talk about the elephant in the room and Shout Out Cody PRI as well I saw your apology to swo um that’s I know you’re going through a tough time at your moment so send in peace love and light to you mate I know you’re a c fan and that’s very mature of the words that you use but I think when you look uh all what we do our entire industry 19 % even in YouTube is trying to create that little bit of a moment that makes us relevant and the easiest way to do that is me do a post call Jake a [ __ ] T me do a post call swoop something call Terry something because the best way to drive people is through negativity and that has been since the dawn of humanity I find it incredibly disrespectful when I hear slobo speak or when I hear um Jeff kennet have that back and forth because to me that the one thing that I try and honor and I’m kind of forced to do this because I’m a foreigner and I don’t have equality as you three do being Australian born people can always shun me for being English um is I try and respect the game first and foremost so whenever I try and speak about this great game I speak with the entire respect I have for the craft and that has been the media in the world since probably the 1970s so I think it’s our duty that we write is above it and we give people a meeting point to discuss and I feel like something has been lost in society that kenet and Carol everything that’s wrong with Society we don’t attack the words and we don’t attack the content we have to bypass that and attack the person and I think that’s what’s really sad I think we’ve lost the ability of the debate you know the old days where we’d be doing this this show is Mickey Mouse this show is the fall of society because 10 years ago we just go and have a [ __ ] beer and S Pasqual Frankie Lucinda Cody laughing Magpie would just come onto the table and we just chat [ __ ] about the great game that we love so I I feel like we have more of a Duty I agree with you Terry it’s [ __ ] but I feel like we have a duty to rise above the personal attacks rise above the negativity rise above the clickbait and try and not be entertaining but try and be factual and create a discourse for discussions where we can grow together where did this uh shift happen do you think can we think of a is it just the growth of social media that’s done this no it was something yeah what was the Catalyst I mean as far back as I can remember it was um open mic where he would ask the hard-hitting questions it would be he’d get whatever guest was on and go into their most scandalous parts of their careers and just unpack it um you know that has fested itself whether it’s been a conscious or subconscious transfer but that has definitely fested into you know social media and I think we’re almost getting to a point now where you can’t distinguish you shouldn’t distinguish between between the two because at the end of the day we’re talking about humans um and we’re and we’re flawed and we’re all flawed um how many times have we had the footy baned conversation on this show um yeah you ban to a footy Club they got passionate supporters the response is personal uh is this just is this an opportunity to break that cycle or are we just or are we dreaming at the moment or we living in la la land and that’s never going to change you know Richard B flat makes the comment and I hear this a lot and it actually irritates me because I I can only speak for myself do you know what I mean but I I put a lot of [ __ ] work into what I do man probably too much do you what I mean I I actually worry if my kids will grow up and think Daddy like YouTube more than me and it is a serious concern in my heart of hearts I I think you nail it Terry but I think I think people hide behind banser so I’m just going to talk about the elephant in the room obviously we know swoop had a little bit of a aouch should we say with jumper punch and you know what both of them have reconciled but you know what that told me everything that’s wrong with what we do because I was inundated with DMS questioning my beliefs as a mental health Advocate because I wouldn’t expose jumper punch I wouldn’t call for them to be counseled and I said I’m a human being my priority here is being swoops mate making sure his well-being is okay have you thought about P pming him how upset you are because maybe that’ll help him and that’s the society that has been created probably since the 60s of free love and you lower your morality code and instead what you try and do is you create I’m right I’m right the best comment I’ve seen tonight and probably the best comment I’ve ever seen on the internet yeus skus people don’t want to be wrong don’t want to be wrong so what they do is when you prove them wrong with science and fact they have to get personal they can’t just go okay cool let’s maybe learn something today I’m sorry yeah you know you know what it’s something I teach my sons very early right my granddad taught me this lesson and it made me believe the first time because I tested him you can’t do it anymore but he told me if I always told the truth the punishment would be halfed if you found me lying the punishment would be quadrupled because distrust is worse than making a mistake and you see that and I said teach that to my kids you tell me the truth I protect you you lie to me I’ll throw you to the wols and I’ll enjoy watching the wols eat you and that you know it tell you just [ __ ] sometimes you know that Carol and Murdoch and that Carol and um kenet just one of them that had to say you know what fantastic I agree yeah I didn’t see it that way or you know what maybe I got that wrong and I was waiting for one of them to say you know what maybe I coun maybe I said it wrong like I didn’t mean that but instead it got personal didn’t it and then you see slobber I agreed with what slobber was saying I do think Calon haven’t achieved something but it was his belief manufactured on a populace of people and I can tell you I’m a c and content creator no one’s told me we guaranteed to win the flag at all No One Believes we’ve achieved anything we know we’re [ __ ] on someone’s shoe at the moment we’ve done nothing played one couple of finals but it makes sense just to go mental isn’t it Go mental and go overboard instead of just saying I think C and maybe got full of themselves in this game instead what they do is they exasperate and Terry you know elaboration is content in it in content better collaborating and taking the piss than telling the truth yeah yeah I mean yeah look last night was was very disappointing a number in a number of ways um and then you have this undercurrent that want you to you know take a position um I’ve spoken to both of you um off camera my opinion on the matter isn’t going to change what happened um doesn’t represent me doesn’t represent Carlson fans um I think it was a mistake and I think a simple apology would have been a lot easier um but not everyone just because I do it one way doesn’t mean everyone has to do it my way exactly we all act differently we all feel differently Luke you and I have have had run-ins I’ve learned similar lessons with with you you’ve learned similar lessons with me 100% yeah B has happened personal attacks have happened we’ve both sort of you know apologized to each other um G away rekindled it’s life tomorrow the sun will come out um I say this all the time like you build a platform you have power you have responsibility and if you’re not willing to show accountability then it’s a really dangerous thing that you’re um giving off to the next or to your viewer um so it like it is what it is um you know the reality of content in foty World especially with Calton is it’s not fair you can banter club and it will come back not in the way that you intended it you know to be um your team [ __ ] they’re out of the eight but I’m not going to sit here and like make fun of your you know yeah you know it’s a really simple principle but calling W are out of the eight and it’s [ __ ] calling calling W out of the calling out nothing needs to be said just look at the ladder EXA exactly exactly [ __ ] right it’s um and you said you know where does where does this sort of change start and it it really and we’ve talked about it before it really starts with us like we’ve got such powerful platforms and you know if we can you know like I talked about it when I talked about um you know going to see a therapist and I had so many people in poms talked about it as well people in my DM saying you know thanks for speaking about it I’m going to go see one you can just change one person’s perspective and you use your use your platform for good you that’s how we can that’s how we can combat all of this gross [ __ ] from you know Caroline Wilson’s Jeff Kennis and all that sort of stuff going on and and all this sort of Click ba sort of material we are the Next Generation and we won’t do it good but the people that are coming up underneath us are going to do it even better because they’re more switched on than than we will be so as long as we’re creating those Pathways and taking the the opposite fork in the road that that these media Journal I think it’s a um I think that’s a good that’s a good way to sort of you know pick on yeah you know what I find sad is I find that you know to me it’s very high school it’s very I mean maybe I’m getting too old like I I probably am it is it is no no I probably am I’m getting way too old I like there probably Comes A Time very soon that pom needs to put his camera down and you know hope no just just do dad stuff and you know you know things that actually matter and maybe hopefully get through to someone um smarter than I when when I pass away but I just look like everything now is that sound bite and you know what when I when I was a kid and how I still live my life is I make mistakes man like even though sometimes some people say I preach on this show and my show I never mean to I make mistakes and I own it I am far from perfect and you know what when I die if you believe the biblical version of hell [ __ ] me I’m in for some real real testing times and I don’t really look forward to where my soul will go because there’s some things I can never redeem but I’ve always tried to be a little bit better every day do you I mean I always try to be a little bit better and I make mistakes and you know what probably the next time I have a beer I’m going to say some real dumb [ __ ] stupid [ __ ] that I’ll regret in the morning and that’s just who I am I’m flawed but I feel like now it’s masking and I heard the comment and like to me you know my favorite comment is whenever I hear someone who’s offended oh someone’s called me fat before doesn’t upset me oh it’s great well done you’ve got a higher freshh hold of Tolerance than anyone else that’s fantastic you know what I mean I I I’ve been called Jippo scum in the UK never really affected me but my cousins would get really upset by it and my other cousins wanted to dig a ditch and kill someone for it so tolerance is wonderful but you know what I love to see just how how hard is it just to like this job is easy if you are young and you’re going to pick up a camera and do this listen to your uncle pomm right don’t worry about the numbers don’t worry about who likes you don’t worry about the comments don’t worry about anything right don’t worry about anything just drop your content and [ __ ] off you are nobody who just happens to have a camera and hopefully unites more than one person and rises above that’s all you’ve got to do but it’s not a competition it’s not I’m better you’re better it’s not jump a punch or wrong because to be honest I don’t think anyone’s wrong or right in this situation I think the real loser is is AFL to be honest I think we need to go back to the days of I don’t screenshot I don’t clip I don’t drag up a conversation from 25 years ago you know what I do I get on the [ __ ] phone or I DM someone and go you know what you said this and it hurt my feelings right and if you are a good human being even if you didn’t mean what you said you’ll apologize because no one wants to hurt people’s feelings sometimes we say stupid [ __ ] I say stupid [ __ ] to my wife all the time I don’t mean to upset her I do though but you know what same with Cara same with kenet let’s keep it about the football football’s good and football unites and football rises above our mediocre lives that’s what’s beautiful and to be fair I mean I’ve worked with those boys for a long time um that was the ethos of the show and I reckon they’ve just had a little moment yeah but that that has always been and it’s tough because we live in a world where you’ll clip something and that’ll become that’ll become the reputation for some people as to what that whole show is about what you remember yeah and it would be unfair but it also on the on the contrary goes to show how important your every moment is you know you could find five seconds seven seconds of something that I’ve said in the last six years and it would sound horrible look horrible would be horrible does that make this entire thing horrible I don’t know whatever um Terry spot on you know you know what Rocko he’s a wonderful father I I’ve met his beautiful family and you know what bad people don’t have good families you know what Paul I’ve spent a lot of time with Paul he’s a good human being he’s a good human being he’s he [ __ ] does my head in a few times and I sure I do his heading but he’s a good human being at his his core and Mars is loose SM is salt of the earth do you know what I mean it’s who he is and that’s the wonderful thing about this this is different people people different ideologies and sometimes you know what’s banter to Mars and me Paulo and me isn’t banter to swoop and them and that’s what’s weird about this industry right that’s what’s weird is you’re watching me now because you’re a fan of swoop you’re a fan of Jake you’re a fan of Terry I am the opposite of all three of these [ __ ] I tell you totally different in every single measurable way but hopefully you like some of the things I say and if you don’t like it you know what I don’t mean any pain or suffering from what I say sometimes I say stupid [ __ ] but that’s the problem we’re in a judgment world as opposed to just getting in the [ __ ] DMS and just going excuse me you said this it really upset me and you know I’ll explain it yeah I can also see it from the other point of view as well because it was it was unprovoked using a platform it was it it was it was an unprovoked thing using a PL using you know one’s platform so I don’t know think sometimes that they fall into a trap in the media like we do as human beings that sometimes I look at the chat and I see names do you what I mean I see names like Jimmy r i see laughing Magpie and I feel like I’m with my mates do you remember the old days you remember the old days when you were with your mates and you know what you could say this guy at work’s a [ __ ] [ __ ] love to slap him and it stayed between your mates because your mates were just like in your vent sometimes you slip up like I’m telling you now I’ve met every YouTuber some of them say [ __ ] things a lot of times right off camera on camera right but I tell you what most of them 99.9 that I know have got hearts are golden they would not mean to upset anyone and same with the media but the difference is is when they switch the narrative and they turn it into themselves that’s when I have an issue and I feel like sometimes social media you find them Clips so it takes off the football yeah and that’s what Carol and kennet did this is the greatest game in the world right but that was a little one-upmanship of who’s got the bigger bows and yeah the biggest balls that we’ll see are the 23 guys who run out on a Friday Saturday Sunday night that’s all that matters everyone else is Irrelevant in the game of football yeah speaking of the footy Isaac Haney didn’t get off oh so that’s it it might be he didn’t get off we can’t punch who he wants apparently we’re costing the and the rising star we’ve stuffed both that was you guys as well with Harley Reed wasn’t it yeah Harley Reed on Darcy Wilson oh my God now on Webster so who’s next who can we R out next this week against Adelaide probably no one it’s a shame Matthew Nicks maybe that’s we’re coming for you mate Saints train on the way yeah so that was a long-winded topic but it was good good chat good chat next up let’s go Jake what do you got mate got a bit of who who would you rather I do I do I’ve been just too busy watching the replay boys so I didn’t have time to think of um of a proper topic I’ve got a couple of couple of ones here cuz I know how much it was great last time we did a lot of comments a lot of debate which was good um this one’s going to be interesting I kind of think I know where it’s going to go but maybe you’ll surprise me first team Gold Coast second team gws who would you rather be Gold Coast I feel like there are a lot of layers to this one to me Gold Coast might have the better youth gws more established played finals who would you rather be like right now who would are the coach now right now but you know for the next five years yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Gold Coast I’d rather be Logan Fraser Grant that’s who I’d rather be he’s in the chat The Hyphen the lfg lfg’s back baby yeah that’s all we like I think Gold Coast because they got Andrew okay you’re not going to say the Giants after the weekend they probably run offly the Suns um yeah that’s what I mean this has got layers where yeah there’s the team and then there’s the club is that that’s exactly right that’s why I say Giants have made a pre they’ve made a grand final they’ they’re semi- established in that winning game that culture obviously we’ve seen what Hardwick said on the weekend and how frustrating it must be to have that much talent and to still not go to that next level which they should be at would you rather be on the side of a team that might have the biggest ceiling but might be the most frustrating or the team that’s almost always there but maybe won’t go all the way it’s a tricky tricky one to balance I think I’d rather be I’d rather be the Suns you’d rather be the Suns with with Hardwick with Hardwick in in like I think at the the moment he’s trying to flush it all out he’s only been in there for half a season like he’s trying to flush out all that bad all those bad years you know like not that St do was was bad or anything like that but just of all those failings and that mentality because it’s all we know that football is mainly you know in your head so they they try he’s trying to get that out of the players and that’s why um you know he said he was frustrated and and I love on a side note I love that super honesty um swearing at a press conf like that you could tell that he absolutely loves this club um and I guess at on one end I don’t really like the Giants I think they’re way too manufactured um more so than than the Suns but um and you’re on the go Coast as well like that’s a that’s a that’s a positive you’re not in you’re not you’re not playing games in caal sellout yeah um metricon is better all all the Suns need is a is a Rebrand I don’t like their logo um but other than that I think oh they got such a good team like I know they lost on the weekend but they’ve got such a good team um and there was talks you mention MC Andrew that he might be the next million-dollar player which is crazy like he he’s so good I mean but is he but but should he should those conversations even be is he he’s not that good that he’s going to be the next million dollar player yeah no I don’t think at the moment but that’s what they’re saying that’s what they’re saying that they’re gonna offer him he’s he’s got he maybe he just played a good game against Carlson now I’ve watched him quite a bit he’s got the source he’s got all of it it’s a million dollars though I remember in 2004 Nick rewalt was the only million dollar player that’s how good you had to be to ear that much I know but I’m just saying like million dollars we’re talking that’s a lot of money it’s a lot of Müller you know what you’re right let’s give it to let’s give it to Cal wilky it’s the Saints time I mean he’s more he’s done more he’s done it for longer he has done it for longer for 138 games straight Ma and we’ll talk Mac is the future ma absolutely the future so give us a that’s a tangent there I wasn’t going to go there you say great can I also just add the whole dimmer swearing I think I’m in the minority here did anybody else not that I didn’t like it I just saw straight through it like interesting you’re not tough you’re not you’re not like you’re appealing to the old school mentality that want to hear that non nonsense uh swearing about things and just say it how it is I think when your leader shows a lack of control of their emotions that is a red flag for the team okay tell them behind closed doors Boys you’ve got to grow the [ __ ] up but don’t go out in the public and [ __ ] hang them out to dry that’s that’s that’s playing that’s playing he’s playing up the part there isn’t he CU he knows coach he knows his reputation he knows it’s Gold Coast and they’re known to drop games like this and he can’t just play a a straight line like every coach that’s been there and done that he needs to do something different and he had to make a statement even if it’s I thought it was all for sure I don’t think he was really flexing this like muscle look at me I’m like mate relax relax you had the greatest spine of the last 10 years when you won your flags just relax um so I don’t know I saw right through it I see right through all of that that tough talk yeah I don’t think any of us would think much if our coaches did that I certainly wouldn’t yeah I’d say put it on the track put that energy on the track and win on the weekend yeah action having said that I’ll take the Suns yep po pom have you said who you take so we got what one gws one gold cast yeah yeah two teams that I couldn’t care about um I think uh go no I’d probably go go co purely because I feel like no team in Australia if I’m correct has ever done anything from that area so I think that that would be huge if you could take them to a flag so I’d back my arrogance to put Gold Coast on the map and not be a place that people go to lose their virginity or wait for God which gold C really is make it about spot as well y I like it schoolies would be another level at that point a flag um who I’ve got another one I’ve got another one but I’m curious how let’s see how unbiased we can be here here we go I mean I I’ll I’ll throw silder because it’s a silda themed episode Let’s Just Go With It H um Adelaide Adelaide Oren kilder who would you rather be two teams that are playing each other on the weekend Saints hand hands down Saints even a question I’m just sitting back here I’m I’m not going to say anything I just I’m curious what you guys genuinely think see what you’ve done see what you’ve done I’s gonna say Adelaide he’s got it locked and loaded I gen and yeah I’m not just saying this for some stupid reason I think what the Saints have been criticized for in the past is what they now have on the list and that is you know potential a grade A lot of potential a grade Talent you know if it’s not already there um it’s the Saints mate they just need a bit of belief in the culture yep appreciate that is it is it a Saints All Around is it yeah uh I love the now look when when we need to get a compilation of when pom shuffles in the chair to say something yeah I’m so getting used to the leather Mrs P treats me too well um my ass ain’t used to sitting on luxury um am I the coach of these sides you’re the co to me I kind of it’s if you’re the coach or you’re the supporter base who’s more comfortable who’s more excited who’s closer to a flag it’s just kind of a mixed bag of elements there so make of that what you will both of the lists are pretty even I mean that’s the beauty of these I I don’t want to say it because you you think I’ve got something in for you my wife’s no I don’t I don’t I’m genuinely curious out of genuinely I’d probably go adade um I I think their list is more conducive with playing attractive football at the moment but it’s close because I do love the the pur I do I’d love to get my hands on him as a coach but I think Adela I think they’re the most disappointing team this season we would be a close second then surely maybe if you were asking me if everyone was sacked tomorrow and I was a coach and I could have the keys I think St kilder and Adelaide would be top of your list like they’d be the ones you think Jesus they’re not far away either of them I think I think definitely they would be the two most coachable sides at the moment like you everyone would fall over to be a coach of yeah yeah CL I say this about the saints that would be the biggest uh roadblock the and I say this with respect the loser mentality I knew it yeah I agree 100% not saying that your fans are losers or you’re a loser but like it’s that it’s that what you value right now is nowhere near in the realm of what a Premiership team should like Val beating Carlton so much or you value uh things that are not as important like when that true belief comes and I get it it’s hard because it’s been how many years since you won the flag so like it’s easy for me to say but there is just a a a like a vacuum of belief which is really weird you know yeah yeah more of the what happens on the weekend and that’ll definitely start building but um it’s a level of consistency as well you can’t just have have those little flash in the pan games I do have one more just one if you’ll indulge me it does include another team represented here tonight oh this is big who would you rather be Carlton or Brisbane we can’t answer that can we I mean you you you’re going to say Carlton yeah I mean I’m putting it out in the comments as well OB cuz it’s not just us here remember it’s a lot of people watching so put it in the comments I mean there’s a lot of Caron people watching but well let you and Luke answer and I’ll put comments up on the screen okay and why and why who would you rather Carlton 100 not because of who who’s on this screen and whose Channel I’m about but of course of course I think yeah you know like like when when do I ever want to side with with gton but I would take them in a heartbeat they’re they’ve got one of the best spawns in in the Midfield the forward you know those big towers in the forward line everything everything works their Synergy is off the chart at the moment um and I know Brisbane um I know brisban have good players uh and they do well but I think to a certain extent I think the the quote unquote loser mentality as well does fall on Brisbane quite a bit um just with what they’ve what they haven’t been able to do those last few years and I know they got to the Grand Final um last year and they were a really good side last year and that could have that that game was a was a coin flip but I think Carlton’s profile their age profile as well um I’d take them I’d take them in a heartbeat and it would be [ __ ] nice for me to see two big forwards kick bags of five goals each every game with a team I support or coach um because that just doesn’t happen at the P so he put it Hipp would and danaher would do that wouldn’t they uh yeah sure sure sure the next oh do I have to take on their seven-year contracts as well if I took him at Brisbane or could I get rid of could I terminate contracts yeah you can terminate why not manag yeah now it’ll um it have to be had to be okay Jimmy what’s he got I’d rather take some of the brisbon fans over some of our ones who cry the skies falling after one loss we have the opposite of what I said about we almost we’re like the complete opposite we almost believe too much in in uh imperfection yeah who would I what’s your answer mate would love Carlton but think Brisbane just think when Charlie okay all right the floor is yours I’m not even I’m just going to go with my gut I’m not even going to overthink this I’m just going to go with if both teams were in front of me right now which one would I take as head coach or want to be a fan of it would be Carlton it would be Carlton yeah I think if this was obviously a couple of seasons ago I think everyone would say Brisbane but I think Brisbane have almost if they don’t do it soon they’ll miss the boat I think Carlton have got years Beyond Brisbane I know Brisbane are going to get some good youngsters again they will Top up but I think a lot of their stars are still uh aging a little bit I think Neil obviously is in very good form I think danaher um Harris Andrews I don’t know how old he is but he getting on a little bit I think I mean I might be bullshitting there um I really was you can play it if you want just just Chuck it in there if you really want it we haven’t had it tonight have we um there we go hey Harris Harris Andrews 27 27 okay so he’s got plenty of time but I think yeah with the moment momentum’s a big thing in football and right now I don’t think many teams have more momentum behind them than Carlton yeah in the fans in the way that you play you lost on the weekend but I mean it was still an excellent game you kicked over 100 points if you’re losing like that you’re still doing something right um so yeah I would say Carlton I think having two Twin Towers having the Midfield that you’ve got and obviously the backline and I really do rate Michael Voss I think he’s an excellent coach um and this brand of football you play I think is more sustainable to success than Brisbane and we can play at the G yeah play at the G yeah anyway there we go all right very good very good nice uh pommy what have you got what’s on your mind [ __ ] hour how long have you got um um no uh I had an interesting conversation today with an snc expert so that was really good and it got me thinking one of the things he said was the pressures uh in the media from fan bases and football clubs for you hear it all the time 18y old comes through the system once he puts a bit of size on he’ll be a good player and how you’ve got to negate the size and shape of a human being and steadily increment it and he gave a couple of great examples in the interview na five who came into the league like a wet mop if you look at that fight his first three years it’s it’s hard to believe he would go on to become the Smash Bash midfielder we ever saw Dustin Martin another example so do you feel that we’ve seen a lot and lot of injuries over the last two years which is kind of disproportionate to the AFL the previous five years and I know there’s some conspiracy people out there who will say it’s the vaccine but is it some something as simple is it as something as simple that the pressures of these players to try and get the size on in a short space of time is maybe jeopardizing their development because we are seeing kids come through the system who are built like wisps so MC Andrew is a great example being in the system a long time I remember covering his draft and it’s only recently started to get formation in his body where some players seem to be hitting the gym from day one it is there an unnecessary pressure to bigger is better I think sorry oh sorry no I was just gonna say like there is as soon as you get in there there’s pressure to there’s pressure to perform you know and it’s all got to do with with the dropic like look at Harley Reed that that guy was a tank going into um into his into his draft and he was he was built and the the ummies or whatever you want to sort of sort of call them um they would have all of these sort of things in place is it too much maybe but you want to they’re like um they’re like prized horses you know they want to just strut around at their Peak to get to get pick like when MC Andrew was um getting getting looked at not that I sort of covered him or saw anything about him but like I would assume it was it wasn’t his ability to break tackles or or fend off it was that High Athletic jumping that running that athleticism that that they were looking at and then he can then he can put that that sort of size on in you know three or so years but with hary Reid and these other guys it’s their big big arms pushing shoving and and that’s what that’s the game that he wants to play those inside mids you see like 16 to 18 year olds now like Baseline footy do like um you know Instagram videos and YouTube videos of of these players they look like they’re 30 like they’re just hug huge they’re just big big boys you know um and yeah I think I think if they’re doing it like the wrong way with with not proper coaches and and not proper techniques then yeah it probably does compound in in all these sort of injuries and and we’ve seen it numerous times where it is like they like Richmond that’s pretty much all their younger players are getting injured in the vfl um and it could just be that high workload because we know that the AFL is um uh full-time now and they’re in the gym all the time and uh yeah I think there’s just so much pressure to perform as soon as you get as soon as you get drafted yeah so I I haven’t thought about it t like I’m trying to think of an example even from ourside even now people still yeah talk talk about Max King in that light you know and now he’s where put him put the queue in the rack for his season come back 10 kilos heavier do this and that I’m like I feel like people are saying that but they’re not really putting it into reality of what does that actually mean like is he going to lose agility a player is going to be like do we forget that MC Andrew is the type of player he is because of his body type are we going to go to the football one day and every player looks exactly the same then you kind of lose that identity with what the players are about like he’s a good Interceptor because he can do that there’s lucky Neils low center of gravity but he’s tough like that’s his body type Jack steel um I think last year tried to I think it was to lose weight when Ross lion came in now we can’t obviously talk about what the weight is but he tried to lose weight he was told with Seb Ross to lose weight because we were going to play a quicker game style didn’t suit him very well he lost that tackling brutality that we’ve known from Jack steel and then in this offseason he’s put it back on and guess what he’s tackling a bit better now and he’s not the outside player that we tried to mold him into we want players to be everything and nothing all at once so true it’s like you’ve always got to be the next Dusty or you’ve always got to be the next whatever someone it’s like just be you be look at your strengths and work towards that you know even the video of the I mean I I thought the confidence was great but I can’t remember the maybe pommel no but the draft D they talked about who likened himself to Pendle Brew but he’s a little bit quicker he made a bit of a gag about Pendle Brew being slow did you see that oh just gone I don’t know do you know that one swoop he talk I saw it I I he was he was on the radio wasn’t he might have been on the radio or something and then he got a little I saw I don’t know I don’t know who it was though but I did that he said likened himself to pend or something bottom pendy yeah that’s the one yeah I hope a bit I hope I’m a bit quicker than pendlebury he said yeah you know and and people in the comments are like oh a bit of respect like you know yeah it was Murphy Reed Murphy Reed not yeah it’s like even on draft night I don’t like like it where they draft them and they’re like plays like this guy it’s like he hasn’t even played a game yet like I know we’re trying to get fans excited and pigeon hole them into this guy’s going to be the next James Sicily this guy’s going to be the next Patty Crips like just show me his highlights tell me what his strengths are what his weaknesses are what we need to work on and I’ll decide who he’s like you know it’s interesting because there’s so many examples so Patrick Crips is a great example people never talk about his back issues and the side but that year was the year that Teague made the famous statement that we’ve got him to lose weight so he can be more of a burst player and if people remember the article he likened it because everyone was Dustin Martin everyone was the bull but they had the burst speed and if you remember Crips was never really the same player that year was he Terry he he looked like he looked like he like there was times he looked ill it was like he couldn’t take off and burst through a play it felt like it and speaking with Nick today um him talking about um pom Cotter doing his ACL and he was told to put weight on as a junior saying he was like 78 kgs let’s use the maths are you too light so they got him to put weight on but it was very quickly deduced because of the way he turns it he wasn’t ready for that weight and like he talked about how they dropped the weight and he was more powerful and then they added it four or five years later like they were saying you should be this way but if you do that you’re going to always turn off on this knee and it’s gonna go so you see it already now like Max King’s a great example oh I’ve saw an article saying that needs to work his upper body look at Harry McKai and it’s like nah just let him slowly get into his body and find his body still G to be a very talented footballer yeah I have two points to make on this the first one is the short answer to the question um and that is yes we put unfair expectations on and it’s because we as the fans are impatient and for the most part we for whatever reason don’t respect the process um one thing we’ve been doing a lot more lately in the rating show that pommy and I do is we are re and I’ve done it for a reason I’ve started highlighting how many games certain players have played because you can quickly forget they can play three really good ones you realize a larah Hollands for example he’s 22 years old he played less than 30 games and you’re like oh [ __ ] lucky Cowan second year player 19 years of age he’s born in January so he’s going to be 19 for the rest of this year and 20 for the rest of next all of next year like 17 games Brody Kemp there bit of criticism you know had a few contests he got out marked by Jesse [ __ ] Hogan who’s seven years into the system more sorry CS he cps’s year so just to have that space for growth and I think it’s and I’ve been guilty of saying it as well you know the classic wait till he puts on some on some size but now that I look at it if I think of Kemp for example it’s less about size and more about strength and balance and I have this passenger play in my head it was Kemp’s first game we played at Marvel against the Giants and he did a spin move and it was really impressive but he didn’t have the balance his acceleration sort of threw him off balance and I reckon if he did it now he would look a lot more fluid doing it he just they’re so raw they don’t have the balance in their core in their bodies and I think it’s strength and balance as opposed to just size yeah so yeah yeah I think you nailed it Terry and Jake this why I do the draft review previews I refuse to do so laughing Magpie is in there and he always presses me for a comparison I hate comparisons if if I can pass anything down to you as an old man comparison is merely the thief of Joy my nanny used to tell me never compare but it’s crazy because that comparison happens and you see it now I I was watching something about Jason Horn Francis and cumi was like cumi was pretty much pulling it in his draft year and Nick deos was another level to that melt like another level but it was one of the Articles it was the Buy in his first year at an off and C Tumi said the most ridiculous thing to me goes oh when he was at Junior football he really dominated the game and I was like yeah because he was an 88 kg bearded 18y old playing 12 year olds he’s now coming up against Real Men Real Men Who are looking at this kid and going I’ve played 300 games mate what have you done taking on your mom’s surname like that’s how they think so he had to adapt and then you look at Nick deos Sam Walsh they had so many skills in the bank that wasn’t being big and hard they had evasion they had skill they had high IQ they had the ability to run both ways so they could impact and I think that’s what affects them like Crips is a freak of nature he came in too big if anything so he had to unfill out almost where a lot of them you look at some of the big bulls that are coming through Ed Allen’s a great example playing on the wing at the moment but when he was at Juniors he was on the ball and he was a beef gate you look at him now he looks like a child compared to Jack crisp and and it’s weird because the pressure starts circulating you used to get 25 contested possessions against 17 year olds now you get two oh he needs to have a stake and it it’s it actually scared me when I spoke to the snc because I was like Jesus these players have a lot of time on their own to do their own physical wreck are they going to the gym and going oh cumi said I’m weak in the contest oh maybe I’ll lift a bit more they said they aim to get me to this we maybe I I push it and it’s just interesting where that comes from I think like it got me thinking I love it it’s a great topic and a great point to bring up especially when it’s a more outside game now too when you think about it like get the ball quick on the outside like I’m even thinking of some of the Saints midfields when we were successful or when we were a top 10 team was like you know Lenny Hayes was pretty fit but not huge Nikki Dell was pretty light frame um even Joey Montana was never big um Brendan Godard was tall but I wouldn’t say he was massive you know these are sort of completely different body types to what you’d see now in the Midfield they were still strong though they were still strong but they weren’t they were built out but it was like you said it was balanced it wasn’t just big upper body no legs it was it was just you know they worked with what they what they had they used their skills they used their um their strengths and do you think someone like a G train would will come into the league again because he was very he was an absolute machine but the thing is people look at how big he was they forget he was absolutely like he was lightning quick like he was a Winger he didn’t he he put on size but he never lost that pace again balance like that’s why he was so good at getting the ball pretending he was going to take a set shot and then take the guy on the mark run around them and bomb it from 50 he was quicker than every Defender he was bigger but he was quicker when they put they put fev on him if fev can’t go on with him like no one can really you know the name the vibe the whole lot like he just cult hero that’s a whole another conversation of when are these you know we just don’t have these characters INB anymore we just don’t that is a good topic can I can I steal swoops expertise because I had an alterior motive I I deceived you chat panel I had an ulterior motive um I’m sorry sometimes I use my power for evil I’m not always a good boy but would you agree who would you say is the best Winger under the age excluding Gorden we’re talking General Winger who would you say the best Winger in the league is because I I believe he plays for your football club Errol golden how how old is he he’s 21 Josh younger than younger than Errol no younger than 20 25 who’s the next best because I don’t count golden because he plays too much inside as well well I think well if I’m being s if I’m being super biased I’d say Josh Doos I think he’s he’s he’s [ __ ] incredible yeah but what what’s what he’s able to do like he’s been you know last week he obviously had that had that injury he might not have played what he’s been a what he’s been able to do all Australian off the wing as well uh and he’s just his footy IQ and I don’t know if it’s a you know you could say it’s a dayos thing but his footy IQ off the charts can kick a really nice goal but his running Capa running capacity is is probably close to Second To None at at the at the club um and you know in saying that even though he’s not under 25 still side bot him it right still at 3 [ __ ] eight or old years is crazy what what he’s able to do but uh yeah Josh Josh Doos why what’s your what’s your ulterior motive give us I want to hear the other answers I want I want to sort of contribute to this too Jake who who would you say from Collingwood no under 25 a Winger he’s not a is it a player that you could play on the wing or an actual Winger like currently plays regularly on the wing yeah I just want a wing chicken i’ be a PK one now I’m hungry you’ve got a fantastic Wing Jake like honestly he’s Sensational when Darcy Wilson Brad Hill Mason would I mean nah doesn’t play on the wing but if he did he’d be gunon would been good Liam Henry a Winger Liam oh Liam Henry hovers between half forward and Wing but I think yeah he he’d probably be another good bed he’s only what how was he he’s like 22 23 22 yeah still very young gu he had a very good game on the weekend um okay I I love Theresa in chat I’m gutted we didn’t get you on board C but well done you love your Josh M you love your Josh deos Terry come on give me a wing I love Josh deos uh I think he’s the obvious answer I’m a big Jeremy sharp fan so I’ll just roll with Jeremy proper traditional Winger that plays the role exceptionally well like an expert and young so I’ll go with him M mate I love it so what what why I did this is because there was someone in the world that was drafted right who gets a lot of hate in and I’ve seen some hate in the Press but this is year one Josh deos versus Mr Oliver Holland right and it’s it’s really interesting to see how development works now Josh deos as your no sweep you can tell me if I’m telling bollocks but came in 2017 you know what I mean 2018 he made his debut and 5 kgs between them but he was known for his attacking prowess wasn’t he when he came to you in the Juniors he was building this modern day goal kicking Midfield extraordinaire and and Bley played him to kind of protect steel side bottom and if you actually look at the data it’s it’s very similar now in disposals on the wing anything less than three is neurable but the big talk is there was five kgs between them and you actually look it’s almost looking at the same player there isn’t much difference but the ESS in the media and C fans is he’s lightweight he’s pathetic he’s a wimp he needs to toughen up needs to be 10kgs bigger you’re looking at rate of development this guy should be about 5% off joshh deos who we’ve all agreed is’s in our top five Wingers under 25 and it’s just interesting that the pressure is making better now but the data your ey and history is telling you he’s he’s Josh deos in the M wait waiting he learned off steel side buttom who’s brilliant Oliver Hollands he learning off Blake akres who is arguably in my opinion the best Winger in the league at the moment at the moment Akers is is he’s incredible he’s incredible and that’s why before I pick Colton they’re just they’re just incredible to watch so so he doesn’t need a steak he needs time we don’t yeah well that’s that’s the case with so many players though so many players like Jake wouldn’t maing is the one exactly if you could put three a magic pill into max King and he’s three years older and go to Max King’s first or second year and compare that to every other top forward in the comp right now and those stats will come up he was better you know what I mean it wouldn’t be he was close he was better than those players and people forget I mean we talk about Peak you know and this could be a whole other segment but have we lost track of when players Peak everyone wants someone to Peak now next weekend he’ll Peak mat philipo he peaked on the weekend no he didn’t that’s not even close to what he’s going to be in five years time you know uh Max King is the one that everyone talks about he’s the big profile we talked about what you know Josh Doos learning off side bottom this sort of thing there’s some play like Max King who is he learning off really in that forward line who’s the senior head is a Tim mem he hasn’t played all season who else is it Nick Ral had Fraser garri Aaron Hamill he had Coy to grow with um I’m probably missing I think early days probably Stewart lobe early days before he retired you who’s your for Coach it’s uh Robert Harvey Robert Harvey was it Ru ruad was I don’t know what roughhead was doing to be honest and then we keep he was recruit silently we sorry he was recruitment he was working with SAU that was later when he first came in under rats before SAU it was something like development or something now Lenny Hayes is kind of doing bit more development and he was originally Midfield coach now it’s Godard so it’s a bit of a I don’t know I I think Godard should be forward and Harvey should be mids but it’s the other way around so be it but yeah and it’s it’s weird it’s weird how that sort of how that sort of works like Robert Harvey coaching those sort of fors we had it we had it last year where we had um lepic at one point coaching the backs which makes sense but then lepich went and coached the forwards for a little bit and I guess that’s a little bit different because you you can sort of Coach him how a backward player them and you can kind of negate that but yeah you would think that someone who was a jet in the Midfield would be coaching your Midfield but on that point yeah no sorry go ahead the only argument that I get from people that tell me this is a good thing is well Harvey was an excellent kick to forwards on a lead so he’ll be able to tell the forwards where they should be leading and I’ll say but that’s not that that’s one little thing forward craft is so much bigger than that isn’t it you need a genuine forward to say this is when you push off this is when you lead this is when you call for the pack mark this is when you fly from the side uncontested there’s so many other things that are way more important than just this is where I want you to lead because I’m a I was a good kick back in the day or I I was he was better than a good kick but you get my point um yeah and and you see it and you see it a lot with like you know talking from col because that’s obviously who only see it training and stuff where it’s like M mix day and my Che you know they’re training um when when they’re in the forward line those guys are are coaching the little forwards even like Bobby Hill and and at times it’s um I saw mix day coaching Ed Allen where he’s should be positioning himself where he should be so it’s These Guys these senior guys who trickle it’s like trickle down economics who are trickling down to these to these younger guys and and like you said max king um doesn’t have he is that guy yeah he’s he’s your top class forward and he’s only what 20 five 23 20 Jesus Christ he’s only 23 like he’s G to be who’s your next guy coming up that’s a that’s a big sort of forward that he’s teaching at the moment uh I mean like I wouldn’t say big forward but you know Cooper Shaman would be one he was pretty good on the weekend um Tim mem’s obviously the senior player but he’s been at the vfl outside of that Jack Hay’s been injured too much so not really being able to work with him I would say Rowan Marshall is the next best key forward we have but he’s just so handy in the Rock and we have no one else exactly personally if Rowan Marshall was the Twin Tower with Max King I’d be so happy so happy um but we just don’t have anyone to replace in the Rock but that’s just a tangent but um yeah just the unfair expectations on some of these players and that’s and that’s the same thing as with like with like the ruse as well that’s why they need to start bringing in senior senior players cuz like they’re you know jel and all these sort of guys are incredible like I went to the go Coast kangaroos game um and seeing you know seeing both teams were were were good um but you know they’re they’re learning off like an ldu who’s won whatever it is 11 games of of 70 or whatever whatever har he’s played or or a Luke McDonald in the backline or or a Jos hin who who haven’t had that sort of sense of of winning and and trickling down that sort of mentality and and how they go why they brought in uh it was it Liam Shields that they brought in um as well and you know a couple of of the other guys they need these big these big guys who who can teach them these sort of ways and I know we’re talking about Max King now but yeah Max King just doesn’t have that but you can see how [ __ ] good he’s got to be that’s the thing and that’s why St Kilda wants it now they they the fans want him to do it now and unfortunately you know [ __ ] that Bloody inconspicuous knee and um has to just gear up J know was a little bit UNL unfortunate I thought Max King’s first two games this year it was like oh [ __ ] he’s arrived because he was you couldn’t get in front of him he was strong enough to keep his Defender behind him I know this because I had him in the fantasy team and I was watching him like a walk yeah um and I remember thinking oh [ __ ] he’s too strong and so when that happens it’s a wrap like forget about it it’s really yeah there’s certain players in the competition where it’s on them when when they choose to to be that player there’s nothing else you can do it’s there’s only a handful isn’t there or maybe 10 players in the comp where it’s like when they go when they get on a run you just got to sit back and kind of hope that they don’t destroy your team and kerno is one of them right when he’s up and about it doesn’t matter who’s on him doesn’t matter what defender in the world is on him if his triple teamed or whatever he’s on you can’t do anything there’s only so many players like that the weird thing about Charlie KERO is that he hasn’t even hit his best footy yet well yeah it’s so good that’s yeah well we hopefully the Golden Age of forwards is coming it must be right we’re waiting for that where’s this that’s another topic we’re talking about too many good topics but the Golden Age of forwards of goals of the the race to 8090 100 goals again where it’s the favola Franklin days you know fighting it out for that common on the last day when’s that coming you know who’s going to challenge Charlie who’s the next Challenger is it Ben King is it Max is it Harry Harry who is it who is it genuinely we don’t know there’s so many emerging forwards that it’s really on them and their teams once Charlie’s Got the benefit of he’s got his body right he’s an absolute freak but now he’s teams humming which just makes him even more powerful you know he was already good in his own right when Carlton struggling but now that the Midfield is on top and he’s getting more looks and he’s got Harry fit taking players off him he’s moving up the ground moving deep makes it hard to match up on him who’s on him when he goes up when he comes back one-onone it’s impossible but who’s the next who who’s the next group people say Oscar Allen I’m still not sure about Oscar to be honest I think he’s a great player George yardis is underrated but he’s has he got Coleman medal Challenger written on him I don’t know Marshall Todd Marshall is it Ben King Max King is it those two I don’t know you know you made a really sexy Point as well cuz you know when people compare players right it it’s like there’s the whole argument you can’t progression is not linear and it isn’t but if you’re intelligent you can have a good stab when you have enough data and AFL thankfully has given us 20 years of data so you can see players but you see patterns and you mention what you learn off Ben King and Max King I think is the most fairest comparison right but you look at the senior players they’ve had in training Ben King genuinely he praised for his oneon-one offense that it’s way better than Max King but then you look at the forwards he’s learned from right Sam day very good one-on-one Levi kasbo that’s the only thing he’s got right so you can see how that’s natural then you watch memory I was memory how he plays Max King likes to ghost into that pocket channel right yeah yeah that’s what M’s been doing his entire career you can see that’s a habit he’s learned from him so some of these players have to learn the hard way like three of the laziest comparisons in the league are Nick deos isn’t that good and then I’m like you can still say Nick deos is the bollocks and he can still love Sam Walsh or Zack Butters can still do it but you can see Nick deos is influenced heavily recently by pendlebury his ability to ghost out of trouble is pendle’s like where I can tell you he never had that in his draft class right he got away with speed like Walsh does Walsh does that spin aoo Nick deos does the little side step that’s that’s pendlebury’s influence and you look why doesn’t Sam Walsh have that well he’s got Crips who runs through brick walls and he had Matt Murphy who had a fake hip to learn from so he couldn’t learn it he’s having to learn it in game so I think it’s really interesting that progression but you look at Max King 1.6 goals a game it’s still pretty good like throughout a calendar year that’s and as he gets used to that Midfield your midfields changed a hectic amount and I think people forget that in the comparison Saints Midfield is totally different to last year the way it moves the way it uses the ball it’ll be completely different when he comes back yeah and and Ben Kings played the same five midfielders for his entire career and they’re pretty good yeah yeah so it’s one of them things do you know what I mean it’s good it’s good no great conversation um because it someone follows the draft and puts a lot of work into it everyone’s an expert with zero time put into it so it’s just empty words so it’s it’s good to hear that I think sometimes you just need to call the Jets on these buys perspective perspective yeah definitely do do we want to speaking of empty words do we want to know the tribunal’s reasons for upholding heene suspension um yeah I’m curious sure okay well the swing of he’s arm was forceful and it was more than a swatting motion having looked carefully at the vision we find that it falls comfortably within the range of within the language of clause 4.3b the guidelines in that he was intending to forcefully push or fend off Webster to gain separation for the purpose of contesting the ball the guidelines distinguish between push and fend in a way that makes clear that a fend means something different to or at least more than a push bearing in mind the obvious purpose of the rule to reduce the incidence of blows such as this would be illogical to capture pushes but not capture forceful swings of the arm the Clause states that if the effect of such an action I know if the effect of such an action is Wake Me Up when this is done I’m not looking at you guys so like I don’t know if you want me to stop you want me to stop no no keep going keep going just crazy it’s just so long sorry it’s Jake Knight [ __ ] no no no no no it’s just it’s just crazy like that that they’re sort of yeah what did you guys think of it anyway I thought it was I I saw it when it happened I was on the side I was on the side and I I thought he just kind of it looked like I he hit him in the chest or something I didn’t see it until after but I I I to be honest I thought he’d get off I thought when I when they heard a week I thought they’ll challenge it will get a slap on the wrist he’s back in the brown L that’s exactly what the AFL want they want to look like they’re going to punish the big boys but they’re going to get them off at the end of the day so I’m actually amazed that they didn’t downgrade so they they they decided that it had to be graded as intentional um we do not find that there is anything about the circumstances of this offense that would reasonably characterize it as other than usual given the natural language of the provision and the evident purpose of the provision as we have said heene swinger the arm was forceful blow and he intended that blow to make contact with Webster albe it not to his face we are not satisfied that he intended only to make contact with Webster’s hands um then a submission that the ACT attracts the operation of Regulation 19.6 A2 in that there are exceptional and compelling circumstances which would make it inappropriate to apply the consequences of appendix one [ __ ] we do not find the circum this is wild Mr heney has a good record and he’s immediate and genuine concern for the consequence of his strike were apparent this was an intentional strike resulting in injury and accordingly we consider a one match sanction appropriate do they always go into this detail or I could said have they have they gone an extra couple hundred per there because it’s Heeney and we’re all going to be very things there as well wow yeah it was just uh do we all think that he should have gotten off is that the vibe I’m getting here or I thought not that he should have I thought he would have agreed I thought he would have yeah same I think a strick to the face is is a strick to the face um but again with that we’ve seen it multiple times this year where it hasn’t been a week and people have gotten off wasn’t Jesse Hogan didn’t he hit someone in the face and he got off he hit a Caron player yeah yeah and he and he got off so like I thought he should have been suspended but I that he would have gotten off um especially because he’s the brown no favorite I thought I I Sydney have to challenge this right they have to take it further they didn’t isn’t tonight the challenge isn’t that it or no no yeah okay the law the lawyer Challenge and and Ranken is four matches upheld as well right okay so that didn’t even go down another question so obviously we didn’t do the show last week because the blue Brad boys were too busy doing the tribunal street by the way they are they are some of the best Knights we’ve ever had on this channel um what was your initial thoughts of the Jordan Boyd contact did you see it I didn’t I didn’t see it no no fair let me heang let me let me um let me jump on it now because I’ll and boy you know whatever all right if you didn’t say it you didn’t say it all good while you do that though the Heeney thing do you think the Heeney thing going to to link it to the bid thing right like we we worked quite hard on the video footage to say how you might argue it if you watch heene there is a clear double look so if you watch Heeney as he’s running away he CES where he is and then before the arm comes he he looks again right so you could argue because Sydney were arguing it was careless the AFL was saying it’s intentional the double look maybe you could say Okay unlucky but he he actively on the slow-mo footage goes once and then just before he Swit the arm where with bids we could see he looked and as he looked the hands came up to try and deflect what he was doing where you could say that that’s probably he’s trying his best I personally think them kind of things that like someone’s put up a post I’ve just read it from 2013 where Heeney jump punch someone in the chest going he’s not a good guy and he’s been clinging on to it for 10 years God bless him I think genuinely like I always said this about Crips it looked bad but how many times has Crips done that like playing that role has Crips ever hurt someone no Heeney I’ve never seen him hurt someone before so that’s where I think maybe you know the good guy claw should come into it they don’t look like malice players I just I just watched that Jordan Boyd thing and this is what I said weeks ago where I said players are going to start putting themselves in a position where they’re purposely looking for a free kick and they’re purpose not not purposely trying to get hurt but they will get hurt because they’re purposely looking for something that that man so looks up at [ __ ] Boyd he goes oh he’s coming bang head down just to get a free kick should watch the first 10 minutes of that stream mate I I I use my degree I I I proved Beyond reasonable down how many centimeters he slid it was amazing he’s he slid yeah how much he Ducks oh yeah yeah yeah oh yeah he he he crumbles like a buter boy going down into it like he rolls up into into a circle it’s why I’m quitting YouTube I’m going to do a kid science sh but yeah you can see that um I don’t know what the tribunal said I didn’t really follow it besides that he got off uh when he the second time but I don’t know what they said was what did they say was the main what did they give him a week for uh well any contact in that situation had to be graded as medium impact and then it’s on you the onus is on you to argue it down to low now in the end they kind of clipped Jordan the end saying they didn’t want to excuse him for the for the action but eventually they got to the point which was it was low impact so and yeah but like you would think that the onus is on Mansel there to stand up why did he duck down well this was the this was the big question and this was where I thought there was a big precedent that could have been set which was dangerous because at some point you have to have a duty of care for yourself so had they have upheld the suspension what we would have technically been able to see this week is a player duck his head like that knowing front on contact is coming and the player that hits him gets suspended and like you get pomy was say last week and you get to a final and someone does that you want to rub out a player yeah yeah etc etc so um what if I told you we might be able to watch some tribunals in the near future really really really is that is that just David Zeta streaming from his phone [Laughter] maybe yeah that would be cool like these ones like that sort of thing that happened sort of tonight yeah [ __ ] they would like do do you think that it’s or do you know is it like a um like an AFL stream or is it like a AFL 360 his know I just know that it’s it’s on the convers it’s on the table I we could go we could go in person just sit have you ever done a tribunal stream ever Noah there hasn’t been one big enough for us to be honest I don’t think oh my God it’s no one’s a sad mate it’s [ __ ] we had like 700 people live just chilling crazy it was actually insane um yeah cuz you ultimately you’re all doing the same thing you’re sitting there swiping refreshing tter anyway right exactly so um yeah four hours last week it went for yeah [ __ ] me that’s insane good props to you guys man do you guys piece in a bottle or do you guys get off screen it got Delirious not gonna lie and then I I decided you know what let’s just I wanted to see how many people you can get on screen at once I figured it out it’s 10 and so God 10 people on screen at once so like you guys know what it’s like to run a live stream and you’re like you got to just make sure everything’s okay you got 10 people make sure everyone’s speaking equal plus comments and like you got trolls oh but like oh bloody hell anyway bladder control like go for a piss before swo to answer your question just wash myself with a rag on a stick [ __ ] um before we wrap up tips lock of the week what he got yes oh Hawthorne let me down on the weekend I was very upset lock of the week lock of the week we got Collingwood jalong Hawthorne Freeman T Sydney north um my lock of the week I’ll just go out of the blocks is ID to beat Melbourne okay a that’s uh MCG said it set thought I had to sneeze uh yeah mcj said night um be they were just they were another level on on Friday um yeah and I think they’ve got I think they’ve got melbour covered I’m G to go I think it wouldn’t be fitting if I didn’t back my boys in Adelaide two weeks in a row no no you didn’t did you do last week no we but I would have obviously done us I mean yeah obviously um no I’ll go us again no reason why not against the crows yeah shout out Julia Julia big supporter jul Julia he got a shout out that’s brilliant um yeah I’ll guys all right um I think I’m going to go the pies pies over the cats that’s a massive game this is classic classic yeah especially if we get can I give you guys an exclusive a little bit of how’s it going I’m hearing on the on the I’m hearing on the on the gra vine on the gra Vine that Jamie Elliott will play on Friday no that he’s he’s he’s a test but he’s ready to go is what I’ll he a footy abroad exclusive which shelf did you find that in the sauce cupboard no no no it’s hindes it’s a good it’s a good source it’s Hinds proper not that mountain Source it’s a good one what house did you break into to find that gos yeah it’s so it it’s just like Quint cenal everyone’s doubting them you know the aura it’s gone this and that it’s just like typical calling would buy eight points they need to win this though you do don’t you got to win this if you lose this two of the Giants got I’m just looking the teams above you Giants Port Giants could win that Brisbane beat West Coast you’ll be a game out probably and percentage Yeah we lose all over and that’s if Melbourne get pumped by Idan you don’t want Melbourne to win you want Idan to win don’t you yep yeah yeah yeah yeah love me some Dons it’s getting to that point isn’t it it is getting to that point it’s squeaky bum time for a few teams oh [ __ ] well the AF season’s done Caron have got the double chance game over let’s talk about something real I’m taking you Thursday 5 a.m. the bvv stadium in Dortmund South Gates England B to have the second greatest Victory on German soil since we took Berlin England Holland nil oh and I will show the Dutch disrespect by calling them Holland because I know they [ __ ] hate it two nil double sack a double 5 a I’ll be tuned in that’ll be that’ll be huge yeah I’m gonna watch I’m gonna jump It’s on OCTA Sports yeah it is indeed yeah the commentary is absolute pre-war I mean pre-war pregame the are you doing a watch one I honestly um if you want a co-host for the rest of your life do not get me watching England games on a live stream oh really that’s the okay oh yeah yeah yeah yeah do like yeah pom a doing that live stream and worrying about people’s feeling private priv like it’s War it’s War there’s no rules anything gets said anything gets done yeah okay fair you can view it on his you can view it on his only poms Channel though sub you just have to pay for it yeah yeah I need to make enough money to get Terry to defend me for the [ __ ] that I say it’s h it’s a big one yeah all right all right England 2-0 um also just quick one Simpson got the sack sack yep they need they need they need fresh they need fresh uh fresh face up there but they’re gon to pay him out for the whole entire year uh there’s talk that Den Cox is going to go there next year obviously he’s he’s assistant at Sydney at the moment um yeah interesting that getting the old BL but together yeah I ashx bring them all back it’s it’s it’s all set up what about the way they treated him though quickly do you guys see the way they kind of told him and no I didn’t say statement the club statement 11 years as a coach including a flag and he gets a two paragraph statement with no thank you from West Coast I thought the best was the press conference where Dum Pike was like oh yeah he’ll be coaching this weekend and simmer was like haven’t decided that czy this is this is yeah [ __ ] was like we’ll see you this he’s gonna have his Farewell game and like Simo was quick to say I haven’t made that decision yet all they this is the club statement the West Coast Eagles and Senior coach Adam Simpson have m agreed that his 11-year tenure at the club will come to an end Simpson one of only six senior coaches in the 37e history of the club and one of only three to lead the club to premiership Glory achieved the ultimate success in 2018 to join Michael Mouse 1992 94 and John Wold 2006 in bringing the cup to wa that’s it that’s that’s it that’s all the statement says oh my God must have had some sort of liter do you for C fans watching at home do you remember the Bolton press conference which which which was like how I’d imagine if a dog could talk and a family decides to put it down because the dog’s irritating it was kind of like that press conference you know if the dog could say its final goodbye is inhuman it it was a train wreck this like you couldn’t let like he was angry he was snarly like Pike and Simo just couldn’t look in each other’s eyes which which I thought was the best like it was like you know like when it was the way I describe is if you’ve ever cheated on a former partner and she finds out how awkward that family dinner is um we can delve into that one on the live chat if you want to know more about that story but yeah it was it was AWS it was proper awkward I loved it like it turned me on he took a pot he took a few pot shots actually in his press at Adam Simpson did you guys hear it I saw that but against the Jos which he he said he said um you guys can be cruel sometimes really I mean you’ve got to keep that in check cuz we’re human and we have families so you want more access to our players treat them with a bit more respect yeah I thought that was Fair Point um and then it was about 12.8 seconds from watching that press conference and me enjoying it to seeing C fans on mass going bring Simo to C and I was like F honestly it’s round SE like I me this is another potential topic but it’s round 18 now is there much point in sacking him now not just letting him see at the season and thanking him in the final game and like what’s the point of giving someone six weeks now what’s the difference really is that I think you might I think you got to give your fans something to hope for Christmas coming from coming from a club that used to sell hope do you know what I think it is Jake I think it works twofold I think one it gets the players on the market so I think right now if you’re selling West Coast to say and Ash Hansen you want them to come in no training and just say go out there and have fun and we’ve seen what happened six weeks everyone plays really good football and it looks culan count and trick two coaches into this methodology well it’s good thing but I also think what it does is it allows you to get there early on ash Hansen if you wait for six weeks and then you suddenly sack them K are already planning for 2025 so we’ll just use ash Hansen as an example K are probably going to be easier to keep him as they’re starting the process as opposed to dangling the carrot now and saying here you are let’s Le let’s give you the head coach’s job but also for C and it’s easier to find an assistant should Ash say no I want to go and start my career at West Coast cheers boys Gibbs Caron six weeks to make them feelers as well yeah well that’s what like what happened with Collingwood they got rid of they part W with Buckley at probably the same I think round round 16 17 um and then yeah Robert Harvey the the the greatest coach we’ve ever had took over um which was really fun for for six or so weeks um but yeah it did it did give us you know time to obviously go a thorough sort of search um for for for for coaches and stuff we we did the opposite season we extended the the contract yeah we’re like yeah let two years yeah let’s like you don’t want to admit it you don’t want to admit that he’s going to go you just want to make sure his package is nice yeah I yeah I still remember that night vividly sitting on the couch and getting a text saying rtb I’m like what and it’s like Ross the Boss he’s back and then I check the Twitter sphere and it’s Brett R’s been sacked I’m like you’re joking Jes I was shocked but then also like deep excited because I love Ross there there’s delete text as well wooden spoon dat good day to you mate um that video by the way exemplary that absolutely exemplary thoroughly in probably the second probably the best thing I’ve seen on the internet since I first found Sasha Gray but that’s another story but um the lead tech are really good aren’t they like the rumors of the leak TCH I don’t know if you’ve seen it he makes a good point but one of them and I know it’s Reddit so I’m not buing into it but it was real strong noise that it’s Harley Reed now I’m looking at that Harley Reid was one of the people that was evidently unhappy with simmer do you reckon we’re going to see the the old Harley Reed back to Victoria get him to a good club indecision new coach ding Cox do you do you reckon we’re going to see a club try and pull him out I reckon Sam mcla like told you he wasn’t going to stay hey told you Sam’s GNA be right sami’s going to be right you you’ve got a war chest they laughed at me as well Jake I I I had an intellectual conversation with Caron fans and I respectfully talked about you and said that you have a war chest and they laughed at me Jake I I felt this big I got over it but I felt this big do you reckon Harley Reid if he came out and said St Gilda Ross the yeah it’s whatever whatever Harley re and Jake with the sunnies on whatever W baby Harley re to Max King oh my God Harley Reed mate this is what you’re missing out on all right I know you’ve had a good year all right Max King is parking the bus cuz he’s only playing footy when you’re in that Midfield all right that’s thinking about come on Harley come all the whisky down this way it’s good weather’s good let’s go two two one 1.5 2 million a year oh I do it in a heartbeat but then there’s ldu and he’s looking very good but he’s probably going to stay isn’t he he’s no Harley re he’s no Harley Reed I know that but gez did you see that play where he took everyone on and nearly kicked the goal of the Year weekend in that was so good that was so good yeah well imagine the saints that get a big name SAU does it gets a big name through the door in the trade period just like a big fish you know so angry who was the last big fish that we got Big Fish obviously guys huh K yeah yeah like Marquee sells like gets people to games am I missing someone obvious um I’m just thinking well I mean Brad Hill was big back in the that like after Co 2020 we got Brad Hill say Brad Hill I’d sayen Henry but I think that was more media LED than like Mo intelligent people were excited but the media made Gary abbl yeah I found that out pregame of the elimination final so I was buzzing I’m like oh [ __ ] Liam Henry wants to come to silda and we’re playing in a final this is a perfect day trying think of like gun would you take I’m doing a bit of you to you now um knowing what you know now would you still have done the Brad Hill trade for Blake Acres Etc uh I’m trying to think was that the was it just a straight there was we got something else didn’t we there was some picks there was uh there was some Pi get cuz I know we might have used Brad Hill spreadsheet time who was it Brad Hill yeah we got Brad Hill 20 10 58 23 59 for Acres yeah so Acres Pick 10 58 St kers second which was 23 and 59 the year just gone see I’m I’m more curious about the pi 10 who pick 10 was Picket casiah picket oh okay I mean he got coaches votes on the weekend Again Brad Hill he’d be probably top five in our BNF he’s a he’s a very good player and I feel like it’s again he’s sort of been stunted by the team he’s in and the way we play and I feel like if we can start playing that more exciting brand of football then we’ll see the best of him and Liam Henry and these Runners these pure Runners um so I I don’t I don’t think so I think we I’d seen enough I think a lot of to me Blake acres to be honest was one of my favorite players because I saw something in him but I only saw it for 5% of the time and it was so frustrating he would do these most amazing things out of the contest go forward be a big body and actually take a big Mark and kick a that’s one thing I’d say he always had in him was a sort of a clutch moment um and obviously now he’s doing it on a big stage but we gave him time we did we really played him and we just didn’t see enough he’s not one of those players to me where I think why did we had a player there we didn’t play him we did he played a lot under Richardson um and he just I would say as what it’s non comparison cuz Blake Akers at freem Manel run-of-the-mill footballer like absolutely and it depends on your environment it does yeah like I was only excited because he was an actual Winger I remember doing the video with Terry but I wasn’t masturbting he didn’t know he would get his type of player absolutely not it was just the fact he could actually play the wing he wasn’t an inside midfielder like who yeah who could kick so I was like yes an actual Winger but we were getting Brad Hill Brad Hill like close to Elite in that position um was tearing it up at freem manle obviously at Hawthorne he was very good so there was no reason why not like why not it’s Brad Hill today’s comparison is you swapping Brad Hill for Errol golden if you think about it like Blake acres is Brad hill now compared to Errol golden there was a massive skill Gap you were upgrading three TI absolutely yeah absolutely um and then he comes in and it’s a CO year and I don’t know things just it’s just not normal at that point so took him a while to settle but now he’s finally settling so yeah I don’t know big name Brad Hill is probably the one that comes to mind I can’t think of many before that like Dan hany um will ignore that one who else not many I remember that one down Hy oh he was at the game on the weekend on big screen he was at the game on the weekend on the big screen talking predictions like maybe and he he played about three games for us I think three or four games I got one for Luke with the pies yo cloak was probably the last you know spearhead I know my’s being a great servant right but cler was the last real spearhead why Haven cing would had him another like another real herno Ora we did man we did don’t you remember don’t you remember Quinton Lynch’s uh tenure at Collingwood absolutely huge don’t you remember Jesse White [ __ ] we just go for the big names mate Jesse White and quinson Lynch one2 combo um yeah but I man this is you talk to any Collingwood supporter and it’s like coling would need a Al sort of thing during the draft time is coling would need a full forward let’s draft a mediumsized midfielder CL would need a full back let’s draft a mediumsized midfielder it’s just what we do unfortunately I really don’t know I don’t know works with the flag so like I get it yeah yeah like um M yeah has been such a servant but he is not that big bulking Jesse Hogan Charlie KERO type he’s a if anything m in a proper team like if not sorry not prop proper forward line he’s like the second or third tall cuz he’s only like 100 94 five cm and he was a fullback he came to us as a fullback um but he’s a second or third toall he’s had to play as the premium Rockman and that’s why we brought Dan MC in we haven’t we haven’t yet seen what Dan MC could do when when Dan M came back from injury last year he was averaging I think 1.8 goals from round 17 or round 16 to the prelim um so he did a lot he kicked two goals in nearly every single game that he played um that so we based a lot of our processes this year on him than obviously he does the ACL um but that’s just one thing Collingwood doesn’t do it’s a Derek hin special just doesn’t draft we don’t draft key TOS key forwards or key backs we love a Ruckman we we love to draft a Ruckman but uh yeah DMR just said we are allergic to key forwards yeah think about it though like Brody m is 192 CM nickal was 193 was he actually mhm so I’m just saying like we talk about mediumsized do we consider Nick ralt a mediumsized forward true no we don’t it’s one cimeter difference I think the thing with m is that he’s not as big as rewal someone just said kerno is only 194 cmers they’re just not as big and they’ve been you know KERO and rewal were forwards from the day they cook football uh M won a Premiership with port melin their full back he was a Premiership full back before he came to the pi so that’s what that’s what he was doing um so in 2018 I think he debuted against freem mantle I think that he debuted as the forward because we had a couple of injuries and we had to Chuck him forward and then he’s never looked back since um Tim memb is 188 so that’s probably more your medium size but yeah I me to me I didn’t sorry no no no I was just going to say I didn’t think BR was in the 190s to be honest in high I know my topic for next week and I’m gonna give gonna give you guys a week to think about it Go trade targets okay realistic realistic not like fluffy FY like well Harley Reed ldu you got my answer highly reading Bas Linker at the pies oh damn yeah good good good topic all right lad let’s wrap it up it’s 10 o’clock yeah oh my God it’s good to be back it’s good to be back I haven’t been on a stream for like three or so weeks I’ve been sick still sick now but um no it’s good dust off those um cobwebs pommy a great guest as as usual uh welcome home M my pleasure to be here always favorite time of the week yeah true uh Jake seeing your smug smile like I said earlier just this [ __ ] grown on me it’s been a pleasure boys sun on J this is this is Chuck this Chuck it on hinge mate Chuck that picture on hinge you get matches coming out of your it already is it already is don’t worry um it is what it is he put his name on a t-shirt um on a t-shirt Luke good luck to your team actually all of us good luck to all of our teams because we’re playing each other so yeah let’s get the done gonna be a good weekend we’ll come here with all all wearing sunnies on Tuesday Absolutely I’ll be up on the ready to go let’s do it see you later love you guys thanks for tuning in thanks guys see you later