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it’s probably a 2025 prototype so this is this will be that’s what the calendar would suggest yeah and so what you don’t [Music] know what is up everybody how you living no puts given a little bit on location do I look like I’m in a uh a a hotel room or a hostage situation Tony that’s that’s more hotel room for sure okay well better uh better than that this is official uh suck at England podcast because it is week of Fourth of July so I figured you know you win the war you make the rules right that seems fair doesn’t it well I mean they did just win a soccer game yesterday as we’re recording this so that that was a tight one so it’s not all bad for England I guess a football match on the pitch for those of you who uh subcribe to such beliefs excellent work on the on the pro lingo there thank you thank you I had it jotted down on my uh my notepad right here just in case I screwed it up anyway once again this edition of no giving is brought to you by our good friends over at lab golf who are thrilled to see Richard gland Liv golfer lab putter live Liv golfer lab putter life lover that’s and winner has the last two this is falling now under our tour recap section people but has won the last two Champions Tour uh Majors I wonder how the other guys on that tour feel about Richard Bland uh effectively like again going to live doing all that stuff but then um comes and wins on uh on the PG Champions I I don’t know how popular that is I guess I don’t really care but you know what that’s not a tour I watch anyway and I barely watch that’s saying very little I mean I saying very little yeah but it would it would be at least third on my list maybe fourth of what I would watch tours you don’t watch yeah no like of what I would watch like all right PGA Tour okay LPGA Tour live tour then Senior Tour go get to the the live piece at a m they just lost a uh kind of an important part of their distribution network but we’ll start with Cam Davis uh Cam Davis I was I was shocked to learn is neither cam Smith nor cam young it’s an entirely differenty or right right so yeah so when you wanted to um yeah when you want to figure out who one you got to do a little name name gymnastics here Cam Davis second PJ win won the rocket mortgage classic in Detroit he is a title of staffer through and through so we looked at his bag nothing super crazy in there except I did want to ask you this question Tony um he’s still playing the titlist CBS and it seems like there’s a number of players that are good bagging older sets of irons is this because they’re just super super comfortable is it because there hasn’t been a lot of technological advancement in that kind of player CB space we talked player CB results last week and so we talked about this a little bit but you know best players in the world five years old I mean roughly this this version of CBS has been out for half a decade yeah and when you think about it so when the current T-Series launched which would have been I guess last year right that’s yeah so that’s the Cadence so last year no new CB in the lineup no new MB in the lineup and at the time we we asked Titus about it and you know it’s not like they’ve abandoned it they’re looking at it continuously but kind of where they are from a technology standpoint in a footprint standpoint and everything that goes into to making a CB what it is their consensus is yeah we could everything we would do right now to improve a CB kind of just brings us to T100 right we did do it we did improve the CB we did like if you want to take a player CV and we want to add some things while maintaining a footprint of that size well we did do that it’s called t00 and if you need it to be a little bit lower lofted as as in my case I was fit into the 150 so that like okay then we have that so other than kind of these oneoff you know versions of of muscle backs like we saw you know Justin Thomas has his version they’ve done some of kind of the one-off muscleback versions um do you think I mean I guess that’s question that does Titleist come out with a new CB at some point or yes at some point at some point I would think if only if only because you even at that level you do need to refresh every so often and there are guys that are going to want that CB over a T100 so yeah I don’t know when but I expect something will be different enough to justify a new model and again you can’t you’re not expensing nobody buying this is expecting a radical breakthrough in technology because that just again that get you to something like a T100 so yeah and in point of fact this is probably an equipment more equipment part of the conversation but they don’t want it like again you have 14 clubs in your bag take out the Putter and the driver and now you have 12 clubs that you want to have gapped appropriately to do certain things right and if you have five six or seven of those clubs as a quote unquote set of irons that do what you want them to do with a specific trajectory Peak height shot shot shape ball speed Etc why do I want to change seven of those gaps just because oh it goes a little further well I don’t necessarily want my eight iron to go four yards further all that does is create another 10 12 problems to solve without any real meaningful benefit right so why do that you don’t so other quick pieces to our new setha uh CEO CEO of PG of America he is out announcing his departure after six years in that position good luck Seth will’ll be interested to see Tony are you uh going to apply for that position no I am not what a nightmare time to be involved in that right so it’s you know they just move the headquarters obviously to uh to Texas Frisco to be specific from Florida so that’s kind of a major transition in that and yeah a lot uh a lot of work to be done there so we’ll be very very interested to see who replaces set that they kind of stay inside uh kind of promote from within or if they look to uh look to somebody external for that position who knows what I was alluding to before with Liv was and I have to laugh I’m not laughing at Liv I’m laughing at the name of the company caffeine TV who is their uh streaming service has now apparently run out of juice uh what a terrible name right like uh there’s six events remaining um and caffeine TV is no longer this reminds me of when Jim furick was sponsored by 5H Hour Energy and kind of collapsed during an event like on whole 17 and 18 it’s like okay that’s that’s that joke writes itself uh but that’s one of those things no it’s I don’t think matters I think the only reason it matters is because when the deal was signed Liv made a big deal out of it oh yeah look at this more distribution we’re getting there and they’re like first of all question one what the hell is caffeine Network at the time I don’t I don’t know that anybody was screaming yes finally more great more more great programming on this network I already watch all the time like that clearly wasn’t the case and so I think it was you know something a talking point but but I don’t know how many people were were actually tuning into CA caffeine Network versus YouTube or the CW or you know wherever you’re getting your Le so I don’t think it matters other than it just kind of looks bad to to no I’m not gonna talk it up yeah if Liv gets another streaming partner or whatever I think it says more about like you know Sean frol wrote the article about kind of going to a live event what’s there and what isn’t what whatever it seems like to the degree that people enjoy the product they enjoy it more in person than in a streaming format so my question isn’t so much can Liv get another streaming partner or whatever the fundamental question is will anybody watch I don’t care who the streaming partner is we know TV viewership is flat to down in general for golf there a million different ways to try and watch it there’s 14 different channels you have to be able to access to watch a full round of PG Tour golf right uh but my question is anybody going to watch it regardless of who the partner is I don’t know not many by comparison not many we’ve talked about this there are there are live golf die hards they are PGA Tour golf die hards and then somewhere in the middle or all around them you have golf die hards who will watch golf anywhere anytime and and that’s not going to change regardless but we’ve said this a dozen times the fundamental problem has not changed you you have two tours that by and large don’t have the majority of the events are inconsequential um to the degree that they don’t feel like they matter much and you know hey I’m sure Cam Davis feels like the rocket mortgage was a big deal because he won it and the guys at Rocket mortgage probably feel like it’s a big deal because they’re it’s their event but at the end of the day it’s not a major it’s not a rider cup it’s it’s not a players champ General golfing public yeah again four five six events throughout the year that are quote unquote musty TV if you’re in the golf space and fundamentally like if you want to say where where live hurts the game and I’m I’m not saying you know PGA Tour was perfect and that all the blame is on live because I think we’d agree that the PGA Tour as a television product as a consumer product has not been great for a long time if ever but now you take the best players in the world the guys that you would watch right and you you split them over two tours and have them play on TV and largely inconsequential events and hope that people watch and if anything great it it makes the majors more engaging when the two tours come together or the best players on those tours come together but any other week I’d rather watch anything else yeah yeah but again I I I I concede I’m not I’m not that golf die hard I’m not that tour die hard I’m not a live die hard I’m like give me give me the best of the best when you have it and the rest I’ll find something else to do you’re probably more representative of a typical golf watching consumer than I am you know in that in that regard so I think that’s I think that’s fair let’s talk some equipment stuff let’s start with this last week we were out at titlist uh and learned about all the new GT product that is out obviously we can say that there’s pictures images confirm can confirm it exists uh we can’t tell you some of the other details we’d love to but what can we say about that experience Tony what what did you take from it what were a couple key learnings what uh what are things that we can share now the rest will’ll be able to share in August I think we can I think we can say it’s good like um it’s it’s you know to an extent you would expect from Titleist to look on the field that kind of thing no radical departures in that regard um yep you know what what gets hammered home to me time and time again and granted we you know going to going to TPI we get a little bit of a higher level experience perhaps but Titleist commitment to fitting and just hammering home the idea of like yeah we we absolutely want you to buy a Titus driver but we want you to go get fitted for one we want you to take the time go through the process so that you’re not just buying a tiess driver or tiess Fairway Wood we want to make sure you’re buying the right right one and and kind of you know so the for me the fitting process and you know seeing the way they emphasize some things that you know they probably quietly emphasized in the past and we haven’t been paying close attention but I think in in your fitting in particular especially where you know when I was working with JJ I was more like hey yeah I just I just want to tighten up the lines I want to take the right miss out if I lose a few yards and I didn’t lose yards but if I do if I lose one or two yards it’s a little consequence if I keep it play because that’s how I score I score well through tighter more reliable dispersion on my shots but in your fitting with uh with other Chris big Chris really SP CH Bango yeah we spent a lot I I watched it you guys spent a lot of time talking not just again you were bringing in bringing in your Corners a little bit too but really focusing on descent angle which was kind of kind of an opening approach yeah it like I said there’s there’s a fitting experience and then there’s the the equipment itself and and like you said you know for people that are asking themselves like okay is this going to be radical departure from what titlist has done Etc no no if you want something that looks sounds feels like a titlist rest assured people yeah if you if you’ve been happy to date you are not going to be unha happy moving forward right so not not a lot surprising yeah in in that regard but likey said the the element of fitting like titles is not a sell you a driver at all costs it’s sell you a driver of course they want people to buy their equipment uh but they really don’t want people buying their equipment without being fit for it because they feel like that may negatively reflect on the equipment itself right and going hey yeah if I just went in there and picked up what I thought might work for me there’s a good chance it’s not a DIY thing I don’t care how good of a player you are I don’t care how dialed in you are to your equipment if Justin Thomas Jordan spe cam young one of our cams you know if these guys all the all the cams all the cam all of them if they rely on you mentioned the name JJ so JJ Van Beck is uh tour theater extraordinary he’s on tour tour operations manager I believe or director of tour operations sorry JJ for a short changing you on the title here you were fortunate enough to work with with JJ on this one and so you know JJ was unfortunate enough to work yeah but if those guys rely on them to know the nuance and things are fitting that they don’t either have time to pay attention to or or the knowledge base to deal with Etc why would any golfer in their right mind go you know what I’ll fit myself I’m good should it like I said I wasn’t thinking the impact of descent angle and what came out of my f I thought it was really interesting like hey if we get this right that probably means three or four other things are good if this isn’t right one of these four metrics over here are going to be trash and you I think you said you’re like oh okay this was good yo oh balls good this good that good oh spin trash you know and it really yeah it’s it’s a metric I don’t think a lot of a lot of especially guys going into a dick or a Golf Galaxy and playing the Home Run Derby game you know looking at B speed and distance it’s not a metric descent angle I think that a lot of guys look at or even know like what what your range is and you know for for Bango to kind of point out and say hey yeah if if this is if this is off this is going to be your clue that something else is off and so for me to go hey yeah look you know your ball speed on a relative basis was really good there I I like your launch angle your your swing speed didn’t drop so far so good oh but look at that spin rate and now a descent angle is is off it’s not what it should be so kind of like hey if if this is off go see what’s causing it and then and then fix exactly and for me and I think in a lot of this it’s there’s 36 to 40 so for people that want a specific number here to reference it was a descent angle of 36 Dees to 40 deges and what we’re talking about right is once that ball hits a peak height just like your flight coming into Atlanta or where wherever as you start that descent you want to hit the ground if you hit the ground too steep the ball’s not going to run very far especially if you have soft Fairways it’s going to stop right if it comes in too shallow it probably has not reached a peak height commens it with an optimal amount of carry that hose analogy 36 to 40 you’ve had to do a lot of things right up to that point to get it to land the way that you want to and so it’s like oh man all right let’s look at that so yes we’ll talk more about these uh any other big takeaways Tony I mean that’s the driver stuff would I mean so working with JJ is an absolute treat cuz one well even if he he kind of ruined me a little bit because you know I’ve been a Venus guy for well since there was Venus and and more recently Ventus black and he was kind of looking at the bul light and you know again taking trying to take that that right miss out and when I say right Miss I don’t mean the one that slices off the planet I mean the one that that starts Center right and just drifts a little more right than you want it to and so like you know there there are ways you can do that with the head and and tweak some things but obviously that impacts some of those other metrics we talk about and may influence things in a way that isn’t necessarily desirable so JJ’s approach just kind of looked at he was like I just want to shift the balance point of your shaft down a little bit like okay let’s let’s do that and you know if you say so and so with that he ended up fitting me into into something that you know I probably wouldn’t looked at myself so I think hazardous black fifth generation now so different definitely a departure from where I’ve been in that respect and then kind of the other thing is you know after the fitting what you were doing yours kind of called me into one of the Bays you know noticing something in my swing and and like hey you know let’s let’s let’s spend some time trying to get your your weight more to the inside of your back foot really feel like you’re pressing that almost feeling like pressing the ankle into the ground on the takeaway which is you know okay like it’s new and different let’s try it and then you know when uh when the fittings were over we went to shoot a little bit of b-roll and I think having worked with JJ for 15 minutes on that I probably hit the best shots I hit all day after the fact with the stuff I was fit for so without a doubt that that’s obviously supplemental to the fitting itself it’s not going to be part of any most fitting experiences but it’s it’s one of those things where like but the balance came so yeah I was so yeah like and and like I said I worked with Chris Bango who again is a phenomenal fitter I love working with Chris not only is he 69 and physically intimidating but super super smart you will hit this well you will hit okay you got it you know but being able like said with JJ thinking about the balance point of a shaft not necessarily ADV ven black itself as a shaft isn’t a good fit but understanding that Ventus line can tend to get a little counterbalance meaning that the balance point in the shaft starts to creep up a little bit toward the handle which for you made it harder to square the face at impact we’re not talking all about the quality of the shaft or the engineering materials anything like that this is a spec thing so it’s like okay what do we have in the lineup that has a slightly lower balance point that might allow this golfer to get a more square face and impact once he had accounted for 34 other variables right and it’s like again you’re never going to notice that about yourself you would have never sat there and gone through other than maybe trial and error or something but going you know what let’s try this if that works I’m reasonably convinced that this is something that’s going to help you and it’s to be like I I think we’re good I’m I’m happy with where we are with the way the head is configured right the LI angle and the weight um where we’ve got the weight and all of that and just to be like you know let’s let’s pull one more lever that’s maybe a little outside of the mainstream box right you’re probably not going to you’re not going to be in that hitting Bay playing Home Run Derby and seeing balls leak just a hair right sometimes more than a hair but that’s really what we’re talking about it’s just that one that that drifts into the deep R yeah and just go yeah you know let me uh just need to shift the balance point it’ be good and so then that’s one of the other things like you know you said if you don’t love this shaft here’s here’s a couple others you can look at that that have similar balance point and so you know so now we’ve we’ve got a list that we can work with and and really have some fun without going without going too crazy yeah to me it was kind of like then the it was kind of the I remember like looking at active ingredients on generic here’s my analogy for the day active ingredients on on generic drugs you know like you go to the store like oh can we get the store bot you know seed of minin or whatever it’s like okay if this has the same qualities yep that will work so now you can take that shaft profile you know what that shaft profile is you can look and say what are five other shafts in the industry that have the same profile you know or very Sim simar balance and you can say Okay ABC and and they all might have a slightly different feel or aesthetic or whatever but now you know if you choose a different shaft it’s not because it’s fundamental different it’s the right shaft for you but there’s something about that you know like I said it could be a way that it feels or one that maybe used in the past you’re like oh yeah I was comfortable with that and just for the record I got fit into a shaft profile that’s a decade and a half that’s right like the I did not see that coming no you uh tell everybody what you got fit into I got fit into and I’m going to play this I made Bango a promise that he said dude just play this for a year give me a year and the stuff I F you for don’t change it and let’s actually get you playing some better hard yeah uh graphite design di 6X in the dri T AD DI for the like yeah the the fitting club’s like the original Orange it’s just fantastic like that club is that shaft is older than my daughter and it’s still who’s now 13 right and it’s still viable and that just that just tells you lot of yeah on tour I mean that that’s on the list right of iconic shafts of all time add without a doubt without a yeah like you’d probably go in there going all right fit me into the the new hot thing because we all want the new hot thing and you know some some of the best fitters in the world are going really old hot thing here you go still hot as ever my friend still hot as ever stay hot people still still orange as ever if it works works so I’m really excited to tell yourself it’s Bronco Orange right I already have already got some blue uh Golf Pride grips on or yeah it’s going to be phenomenal let’s go to this other stuff here real quick Tony we’ll put a picture up of this prototype golf ball uh one of my good buddies found us at our home Course TPC Colorado uh which is hosting the corn Fair event here in not super super long um what do you make of this particular golf ball Tony at first glance tell me what you tell me what you think well I I think it’s I think it’s a prototype okay I think it’s a I think it’s prototype it’s probably a 2025 prototype so this is this will be that’s what the calendar would suggest yeah and so what you don’t know because it’s not especially at this point in the process right yeah so we can say look 2025 here’s what we expect expect a new prov1 a new prov1x and if anybody at all with any sort of you know senior level title is listening to me a new left Dash come on people one of those three things and we can tell by the red letter that it’s going to be an X variety um to me the dimples look a little left dashy you know I get I get left Dash vibes from those dimples but we don’t also don’t know you know what other changes are in the works but and again you know prototype and yeah last time right the the idea was on the prov1 to bring it a hair closer to prov1 left dot so to take a little spin out right and and again the idea with prov1x last time around was to move it slightly closer to left Dash so again maybe take a little bit of spin out of parts of that golf ball again there tweaks there nuances there’s there’s subtle changes so again what this one will be who knows but uh yeah you can imagine my surprise when my buddy you know he goes hey chrisa what is this I said well that appears to be a prototype I don’t know beyond that I got nothing so um yeah that’ll be yeah certainly be an interesting yeah I mean it’s it’s left Dash or it’s X I’m I’m going to be confident in that because I would expect at this point both will probably be replaced especially as this year in particular we’ve seen titlists lean into SL owledge the existence of Slash make sure retail stocks uh retail shelves are stocked with left Dash more than ever before so I think I think you could probably say it it’s cemented its place in the lineup so again that ball since we saw them move AVX production to a slightly different ball plant right to we talk capacity some of those things before or kind of lights up it’s not quite the add of golf balls uh but it’s you know that that current left Dash has been around for a while that design has not changed in in in several Generations so I think now that it is a thing that will be in the lineup it’s uh it’s time to iterate although being such a niche produ product it’s it’s it’s a difficult one because you’ve got to make sure that okay we can you know it’s levers right up and down better worse the same however we want to talk about it and so if you have a a committed group of left Dash users you don’t want to put out a product necessarily that that benefit some of them that got better for say got better for half and worse for the other half it doesn’t want you want to be wildly dissimilar from the cult that’s now following you right you don’t want to do that but at the same time can you make it better good luck I feel like just put a softer cover on it we’re good but you know that’s that kind of thing doesn’t just happen in isolation doesn’t work way no there’s a lot of things to pay attention to like aerodynamics and spin separation and how it impacts the layers underneath it and all those kind of things but you know it’s fun did you see the article Tony on astral Putters a s r a l that my goodness is this the most adjustable Tinker that’s the word cutter I mean I that come across maybe it’s on the list so you remember like it’s one of these call it like whether you want to call it an erector set um I love the Erector Sets yeah my brother my brother back in the day had these toys called capsella again you’re just like putting various pieces together to assemble something yeah yeah so it’s basically I don’t know and certainly like Bruce seore has done some some crazy adjustable things machine Putters has done some some things that are little bit like this where you’re you’re mixing and matching pieces but yeah to have your choice pretty wild running down the list right look like choose a face insert do you want uh do you want this copper one that feels soft or do you want uh I guess steel probably brass so we got what we got copper and brass and then different putter bodies crazy things so different not just hles but the huzzle is one piece and then there’s another piece it’s like a li angle adjustment mechanism so there’s no bending it’s tuning that way um so Prett pretty pretty wild here so what are they we got 60 to this putter um who’s gonna buy this I mean like I I don’t know because they sent Dave everything to play with so I I don’t know that this is something you necessarily buy the full kit ideally like you go get fit and you’re done right like when we did our fittings our Fitters had different weight weight kits at Titus they’re not gonna they’re not gonna send us home with like here’s all every weight you could need go do some damage that’s not how fitting is supposed to work so I think ideally this is you get fit once and this just kind of makes it easier to to build whatever you want with no bending and and having some more flexibility in the hle to to create some some crazy offsets and alignments are not crazy but I guess more precise right like but yeah it’s uh it’s funky I I the thing I really like about it is it is a tinker’s dream and we know in any place you know again putting is such a such a slow science that it’s easy for people to maybe discount how important one little change can be right going up or down a degree in L angle again if you know the ball isn’t coming off the face at more than you know four five six miles an hour so it’s not like oh my gosh I just hit that ball off the planet right it’s little small things and so if you are a tinker and you really want to mess with every possible lie angle in this particular hosle setting and see which works for you great there are people that that’s how they live their lives or that’s how they are with everything and they love to isolate a variable change I want to find out which of these 60 tow hang and shaft offset combinations is right for me one one of these 60 is for you and I want to know if you are out there if that is you because again it’s like my mom told me growing up you know there’s some for everybody don’t eat well yeah sorry too late no there’s somebody for everybody right there there’s no matter how odd or quirky yeah there’s a dance partner for you in life I guarantee you there are golfer out there that this is like they’re hearing this or seeing this and they’ve already ordered it going yes finally somebody created the system that I want to play with you know and and figure out how it works you know so do you want to putt or do you want to play with a putter like I want to do both all day long and there you know like on your streaming services now you don’t actually watch anything you just like I watch this trailer and then another trailer and then another trailer this is it that’s that’s what this is yeah and if that is you tell us I I I want to know let’s finish with this we’re going to rank some things Tony so it’s the fourth of July so we’re going to do a top four list well it will be Fourth of July this week and this kind of goes along with Connor’s article that he wrote kind of on where to spend money where to save money so here’s your top four list Tony the top four golf or golf adjacent items where money becomes no object in the s that you’re not looking for a deal you’re not looking to save a couple dollars you’re like hey I will pay whatever the retail rate is I will go straight after that I do not care I will not compromise quality or Comfort or stability you know whatever it is to save even a dollar I’m going to pay whatever is required to get the product that I want give me your top four list all right I’m going to I’m going to borrow heavily from Connor’s list because I think for as much as Connor is wrong I mean he’s not wrong as much as Shawn is wrong but for as much as Connor is wrong he actually got a lot right here so number four shoes do not compromise on shoes Comfort being first uh now I’ve got to try and find one that somehow stabilizes my ankle or something but definitely do not compromise on shoes uh number two this isn’t just a golf lesson this is a life lesson socks and underwear we’ll group them together but do not cut ERS on socks and underwear socks get yourself some features I swear by features that is an unsponsored ad right there love features yeah I got you um underwear’s your favorite underwear run underwear I’m into Tommy John these days yeah okay kind of like I moved on from two under I think the quality dropped if I’m being brutally honest quality is trash um so a big Lulu Lemon guy I like the Lulu lemons that checks out who knew yeah number two two is rain gear do not cut corners on rain gear cuz very often when you when you sacrifice price I’m not saying there aren’t some relative Bargains out there goway Bay relative bargain good stuff you and I share by sh the cross stuff has tested well in the past those are my and and you can throw Galvin green up in there on towards the top end as well I personally would not stray from those brands at all if you play in the ring look if you if you’re in Southern California and it rains 4 days a year and you’re just like you know what I’m not going to play then don’t buy rain gear but if you play in the rain at all this is the difference between being dry comfortable and playing well and being soggy so yeah do not onp across the seas one other point before you get to your number one I’m going to say the same thing about the shoes is that doesn’t mean they have to be the brand newest model but it means if you find something that works for you a size a width features whatever having your feet be comfortable and being dry is not the place to save on save a couple bucks right so it could be last year’s model the year before maybe you find something that really works for you buy that four or five pairs all right I’m I’m playing last year’s I’m wearing last year’s Adidas golf shoes yeah number one number one number one I I don’t know if this is true to the spirit of this but number one do not skimp on a golf trip do not try and cut a corner go where you want get the get the solid accommodation stay on site definitely stay on site you’re in there this this is Broad Strokes golf rule of mine anyway it unfortunately money only spends one time and so if you can only spend if you’ve only got enough for one serious spend spend on an experience spend on something you’re going to remember not on something that you’re going to throw away in a year or two I mean okay it it doesn’t get better I don’t care if it’s St Andrews I don’t care if it’s Bandon yeah go where you want to go pay for it enjoy it don’t regret a penny where would you go next police haven’t been tripped that you would not see say hey if you got the invite tomorrow your buddy calls you say hey we got room for a fourth it’s going to be you said I don’t care how much it’s gonna be I’m there where you going what is that cabit Sand Valley like i’ go back to Bandon in a heartbeat and then you know come home and two days later go back um I think we’re both curious about cabit just looks so good up there um yep very curious about cabit Sand Valley because again it’s you know it’s feels like maybe like Bandon somewhere else right very very similar same ownership group all of that stuff and uh yeah yeah well I love it I love it well remember Tony it’s the 4th of July be safe out there people back up Terry back up you know be safe for those of you let’s all have 10 fingers come see if Friday fingers next week find us follow us on the interwebs again thank you to lab golf for sponsoring this episode we’re out there let us know what we can do to help you out until next time we out