John Limanti and Joel Stock talk the unique life of PGA Tour caddies | Subpar

On this week’s episode of GOLF’s Subpar Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz are joined by PGA Tour caddies Joel Stock and John Limanti. The men on the bags of Will Zalatoris and Akshay Bhatia talk the biggest difference between a good caddie and bad caddie, becoming SAXX underwear models and how life has improved for caddies since they got their start on tour.
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[Music] all right here we go welcome back to golf subpar Colt no and Drew stolon boy did we have an eventful week but before we get going s greatest tequila in all the land is back Soro and hey subpar golfers today we’ve got something extra special to talk about a tequila that’s a smooth as a perfect swing on the course get ready to dive into the world of Soro tequila crafted by none other than five NBA team owners turn tequila Enthusiast SL just like us they’re going to be at the American Century Championship they’re going to have an activation on the 17th hole near the lake where they’ll be offering an assortment of cocktails and games for fans looking to get in on the action make sure to stop by whole 17 to try their delicious tequila in their Soro club and Paloma cocktails we’ll certainly be enjoying a Soro cocktail or two and it’s my birthday this week’s Lee so guess what I’m gonna be drinking all week here in New York City uh what is Soro correct and if you want something for the 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the golf had some protesters run in there on the 18th green before the boys were getting ready to P yeah that was a uh I mean what a disaster of a moment these people these protest people they’re everywhere they’re at sporting events there’s people gluing themselves to the floor of NBA games they’re throwing paint on paintings over at you know famous museums and [ __ ] like that I I I can’t despise a group of people more than I despise these people and Al what they’re doing is like no one sees that and it’s like you know what I’m going to back their CA I like I like these people they’re just blowing up this sporting event right in the biggest moment that I paid a bunch of money to go see I I cannot stand these people cold we need to throw the book at these people by the way One Cop got in a nice lick on homeboy who was moving slower than I mean it it’s like he forgot he was on the green and he just got blindsided by this cop so shout out to that cop they got him pretty quick I felt like yeah so I was in our trailer actually um I had Patrick klay’s group he finished four or five groups ahead so I sit in the trailer waiting to see if I got a chance to leave and go to New York City a little early well once they hit it on the green there on 18 I got in the cart with Parker started working our way there and all of a sudden I I have this broadcast on on my headset I year oh my goodness gracious and I thought Scotty Chef would like lipped out his putt no it was some people running onto the green I’m coming the backway into the 18th grade and here they come all six of them getting let out in handcuffs and I’m just looking at I’m like you losers like was that really worth it and by the way I’m with you they need something needs to happen this does not need to be a slap on the wrist and you just get bailed out tonight like something needs to happen to these people that is just they can’t happen anymore yeah it’s been over and over and like I love that I like that all the broadcasts now like don’t show the person because that’s the reason they do it right happened at the Super Bowl it’s just going to happen at places but they get no love but I saw some videos make it around like Twitter you know from people that had their phones out and I was like I mean this group this collection of nitwits that was on this screen I was like you could pick him out of a lineup like yep that’s one right there Ben on by the way who I did not think I’d be shouting out for a funny tweet had a great tweet he said like man all these cops on the green Scotty’s got to be freaking out I was like from Ben on that’s a nice tweet dude respect I was looking for you to get in the mix too dude I kept my eyes peeled I was like maybe they’re not showing it but Colt might be getting some blows in right now well SL you know I’m a lover not a fighter but I can tell you this if I would have been with that last group I might have had to tackle one of them people running out there on the green that’s just ridiculous cannot happen especially you don’t know what’s going on as a player like Scotty sheffler OA batia and Tom Kim they they don’t know what the hell’s going on they don’t know the protesters they might think they’re running at them they had those smoke bombs or whatever they were got red all over the green Tom Kim actually had to move his coin over a little bit because of it just no place for it man but I don’t want to give them any more attention because they don’t deserve it I just hope they get punished for this but let’s tip our cap to Scotty shefford and Tom Kim because they put on a hell of a show out there I didn’t even feel like Scotty actually even really played that good this week and he shot 22 under ended up winning in a playoff I feel like he this for like one of the few times this year like we weren’t talking about him like leading up the entire week too maybe because he finally didn’t win a golf tournament at the US Open and L actually looked like a human being really for the first time in a long time and if if you would have told me Scotty was going to win this week like yeah that makes sense but also if I’m being honest like this wouldn’t have been the week that I would expected a great Scotty performance I think he’s kind of geared towards major championships right now now I feel like the US Open was one was probably a little disappointing for him he could be running on gas or running on fumes just cuz he’s been you know playing so much lately and playing good golf playing hard golf um it wouldn’t have been one that I would have had him pegged for but he’s just that much better and by the way back to your point shout out to Tom Kim like Scotty had that putt that’s probably a putt you know it looked good he damn near made it but like you’re not expecting really to make that Tom Kim had to sit there over like was one of the most nerve-wracking putts he’s probably hit in his career for forever move his line go through the whole [ __ ] and then he made it right in the middle um props to him on that yeah I mean we’ve seen him make big putts in the past President’s Cup comes to mind you know every tournament he’s won has been 20 under better so no surprise to see him play well they’re on a golf course one of the third shortest course on the PGA tour but he sacks up man I know he wishes he probably had that lob wedge back in the playoff I was with him there and I it had to be a big lob wedge there was a lot of help when Scotty hit and I mean I said it it the win completely died down right before he got over there and hit it I don’t think he caught all of it it sounded a little funny but then to have it plug uh really sucked and kind of just gifted it the Scotty there but uh it was an exciting tournament The Travelers just always delivers man I love that event so much other than the Hartford Heckler which I still have not seen or been confronted by Harford dude they just got some very very vocal very uh active fans up there and this is like kind of armchair quarterback after the fact stuff but like kind of a shitty break for Tom Kim because he had 111 yards on that second shot after they moved the flag which was I thought I was like dude that’s a monster lob wedge I don’t care how much win there is like I think gets up there spinning that’s a big big lob wedge if it had been in another location he probably would had maybe five more yards I don’t know what it was probably was just a easy sand wedge which would have been like a perfect club for him um I was shocked that he left it short I thought if anything make Scotty make the putt you hit it past the hole if you’re a little bit in between but easy to play armch quarterback but it could have been a a shitty situation where he got in between between clubs and with the original pin it would have been a nice little smooth sandwich for him just like you hit in regulation yeah he would had 118 to the original pin which wouldn’t have been lob wedge I did think he had to step on it but he had 105 front they were playing for like 10 to 12 a helped so I did think at the at first he could get it there but then it just came out he didn’t catch it because it definitely didn’t get up in the air the way it did fell out of the air rather quickly and ended up uh plugging there but tough break but man he’s he’s starting to play well this was his eighth week in a row he’s played this week in Detroit at the rocket mortgage for n in a row oh to be young again I mean just just turned 22 a few days ago so good to see Tom Kim back and playing well though and you and I were out there this week Co for radio on Wednesday and talked with a bunch of the guys did interviews with some my like takeaway from all those conversations was basically everyone seems tired like and it’s a Hu I think it’s like look at who’s it like OE Tom Kim they’re there at the end right two of the younger dudes on the PJ tour like the guys that we talked to some of the vets and things like that was like these guys just sound worn out right now they’ve had a huge stretch of golf with very little off time um in the last month two months plus yeah well Scotty Sheffer is about to take three weeks off so the boys at Royal Oaks good luck you’re all about to be broke with him spending three straight weeks at home y’all might want to plan a family vacation because Scotty Sheffer is coming home and he’s about ready to slap y’all around before he heads over to Royal trud for the Open Championship but SL I ended up actually finally getting my clubs over at the good good Midwest open with Paige spanic we end up losing by three it was heartbreaking but a lot of fun they put on an incredible event but never again will I not ship my clubs with ship sticks I’m done giving them to the Airlines and you’re up in New York this week playing a little golf too that’s a nice little place to get in and out of a little shipperoo we’ll get to your rounds in here in just a minute I’m actually playing a little golf myself this week Colt heading out to LA LACC for the George Thomas Invitational little mid am event out there which I don’t play a whole lot of uh mine will be airborne via ship sticks both ways got to have the boys happy when they show up uh in La so there’s no other way to travel if you’re going on a golf trip it’s summertime a lot of you guys are use code subpar when you go to shipsticks.com you get 20% off your ship or shipsticks.com subpar 20% off your next shipment I’ve had some people reach out to me message me like hey just used it for the first time everything was awesome all that type of stuff so if you haven’t used it definitely check it out it’s it’s the only way to travel with your clubs the only way once we finish playing golf I shinok on Monday I got fairy point on Tuesday they will be in the travel bag getting sent back to Scottdale nice safe and sound courtesy of shipsticks so as we take care of our clubs we also take care of our balls and golf is all about how you handle your balls sometimes they go where you want and sometimes they don’t but thanks to the original pouch underwear from Sachs you can keep your balls on par with the patented ballpark pouch plus with active cooling technology it was hotter than hell in Hartford this came in very handy they have quick dry fabrics and Chas free stitching Sachs will make you feel like a pro all the way through the back nine enjoy 15% off gamechanging underwear at sax.com with code subpar that’s saxx.com promo code subpar we got a couple sax models on the show this week s tell them about them oh boy two of the I would say two of the more in shape maybe the guys the only guys that are in the Runnings if they ever do a shirtless campaign over there at saaks we got Joel stock and John Lamonte caty for Wills Al Taurus and AA bati a lot of the people that reach out Colt say we love the caddy episodes and these are these are two of the best in the game right here we just had John Ellis who’s spectacular but I I love getting with these guys it’s just uh it’s kind of like a breath of fresh air all I’m saying is they sat with us on Wednesday Thursday they went out there CAD their asses off both of their players shot 64 in the opening round it’s the subpar effect let’s get to it here’s Joel stock and John lamama on subpar all right what a pleasure we have here at the Sachs location at The Travelers Championship two of the best ball handlers In The Biz the brains of the operation for AA batia and will zures we got John Lon and Joel stock in the house boys yeah welcome what’s up thanks for having us and underwear models obviously that goes without saying oh yeah by the way what your your players combined weight weight size waight size what do you think 28 and 30 it’s a course record who’s 30 well is will 30 yeah 30 31 okay that’s a course record he wears them loose then yeah 28 31 yeah yeah yeah 59 the magic number incredible I was thinking about it too that same in that same vein I think total pounds of protein bars carried for the entire year y’all have the lowest the lightest load actually we n we’ve been pounding really know the protein bars he’s on a he’s trying to gain weight right now so he’s maintaining actually so he’s he’s he’s pretty happy tell him to come hang out with me for a week I’ll help him out and give him a few years too is he like legit trying to yeah I mean he’s he’s he’s drinking a car electroly drink every day and protein shakes he’s his trainer will bring out on the range right before he go here’s another protein shake he’s like oh not another one but really he’s like choking him down yeah he’s yeah he is interesting yeah and Willie I’ve been talking he’s seems like he’s beefed I told him I was like don’t go getting normal size you know what I mean the skinny dudes need some representation out here on tour he’s just fine I mean he’s you know he’s pretty strong lower body he’s just his legs are tall and skinny but man he’s pounding about five IQ bars a day on the course so he’s getting the calories in [ __ ] we may have been wrong on that back at back at Rivier I I threw out there I said will Alor is the only guy out here that looks looks like his Putter and uh I didn’t think he he heard that but then at the memorial the other day he goes by the way he brought it up I was like oh [ __ ] well he took it well he’s hilarious will the best you you’ve worked with some great players but like where does will Alors is ball striking rank best I’ve ever seen yeah honestly yeah I mean when it’s on it’s it’s just it’s fun to sit back and watch makes it pretty easy like 170 and he’s probably going to hit that far yep pretty much the putter looks miles better I don’t know what the stats say I don’t really care I always thought it was good enough before like he put himself in contention enough times at big ass tournaments with that but it looks just more comfortable now he loves it it’s been great every aspect and it just gets better you know the more he uses it over time yeah if he makes any putts it’s it’s tough for the rest of the field he hits it so good but you recently teamed up with OA batia been Adam Scott Keith Mitchell now OE how did this come about well his um previous caddy went to the other side that’s right and um so kind of opened up actually I was just going to fill in for the week and it just kind of it just kind of organically kind of came together so um yeah I mean I was excited to get the call and and and try it out and and we’re going strong so yeah he’s playing well yeah he’s been playing really good he seems like he seems like he’s figuring he’s a kid you forget that like cuz he’s been a pro for a while right just how young he is but he feels like it’s kind of everything is kind of like clicking he’s just there more and more and more yeah I mean for 22 I wish I I had that head on my shoulders at 22 I mean I think we all do crazy I mean that’s College it’s it’s it’s impressive i’ I’ve been very impressed it’s crazy to hear he’s 22 cuz we just we’ve been talking about him for so long right but I mean he he is he’s starting to get comfortable it looks like playing some golf he’s been putting himself up there in major championships it’s impressive and I mean they’re honestly y’all’s players are very similar both great ball Strikers they kind of go as the putter goes right yeah yeah and uh by the way we gotta go back to when you Cy for Adam Scott did Adam get a little jealous that maybe he wasn’t the best looking guy on the team that’s a good question did it bother I don’t think so I mean he’s a stud I mean you’re the same thing with dude scin now with ludig I was like tough break buddy you’re two you’re number two now I think SC is very jealous of Mr lamman by the way yeah 100% he not we pull people and say who’s the best looking caddy out there and John’s name comes up Joe gets a little offended well it’s amazing how many people actually come up to me thinking I’m him sometimes I’m like oh that’s an insult we will not tell him I mean they do they’re like oh hey Joe and I’m like actually you meant John and they’re like no no no Joe I’m like okay never mind I got a question for one name that doesn’t come up with best looking C bartend Mar nice work God bless you model a little [ __ ] air by the way you guys can confirm this we had Ellis on we’re lucky enough to have jelly on a couple weeks ago no less than jelly correct me if I’m wrong 17 times he referenced this photo shoot you guys have that in fact was a cold morning can you can you confirm that so cold it said it was cold 17 it was like 45 degrees and blowing 20 at 6:00 in the morning so objects in picture are larger than they appear fair to say fair to say all right I just want to confirm that all right give me a little idea like so saak reaches out okay we got this idea we want you all to model some of our underwear what was the first thoughts Joel uh where’s the boundary line for I’m 50 years old and I got two kids so I’m like you know you’re in Elite shape it’s thank you it it sounds fun but I’m like okay how much are we going to push the envelope here but I thought they did an incredible job uh both shoots we’ve done with them it’s classy it’s funny and that’s kind of the whole goal is to laugh and have a good time and and kind of show people who we are and then show everybody how great sacks and all their products are and John I mean you’re not scared to take your shirt off shows show a little skin you had to be you had to be rather comfortable you want to do it right now no sir I have a deal with the wife and um that’s not happening but um no it all happened I I saw Gino at a tournament he’s like Johnny he goes we’re going to be underwear models I’m like what like what are you talking about like and so he kind of gave me the the inside scoop with everything and and here we are like I mean it’s been amazing it’s been fun so it’s a different time like you rewind 10 years ago there were no caddies with like deals you know what I mean like exposure and things like that that y’all have what’s been the reaction from the players when this first got announced cuz it kind of made some waves like oh my God look at all these guys and it’s of the most well-liked caddies by the way on the PJ tour yeah what the players think well the caddies they’re like how do I get involved of course of course and we’re like well they I think our players ex exactly we need Shannon Wallace to get on the Sachs team what we got well yes we got fer EXA say it you can say anything on this show nobody’s listening toate 100 we call him the big saxi big saxi good big cat big sxy we asked this to Ellis when he was on to since we’re getting into the shoot stuff who you think’s the most natural in front of the camera who is built for being the underwear model life Gina oh I mean as far as doing all the speaking part I mean we just default to Gino for most of the speaking Parts he loves it eats it up and he’s really good at it what was the word John Ellis struggled with during the oh yeah yeah during the shoot I know it you remember it testicular testicular he could not apparently 30 two takes and then they finally they just R we love you thank you for bye jelly we love you thank you for the drink by the way you’re beauty Beauty yeah apparently testicular took 72 takes and then finally I just changed it like now just say balls it’s too much too many syllables was fun the yardage it was cold that morning yeah he freezing good point John and John as he was the the fifth ballmaster one of the photographers he said how am I gonna you know can I call you guys a nickname or something and if you see what he’s wearing I said oh that’s Johnny Marlin yeah Johnny Marlin and so it kind of stuck that’s a good name and um so it all kind of happened right there on set i’m GNA have to bring that to CBS next time gets if you don’t know you should know check out that saaks underwear model yeah so y’ are underwear models now like we’re talking things have changed in the Cy world now like outside of the the bigger purses that you’re playing for on the PJ tour you guys have been out here for a while what’s the number one thing or the way that it’s improved life on tour has improved for CAD since since you started till now I mean definitely I mean well CAD Hospitality it used to we used to have the caddy wagon and we had to kind of you know go find it and you know go in there and order some food and kind of wait now I mean they’re taking great care of us inside in the air conditioning I mean our setup this week is phenomenal I mean full hot bar I mean so we’re getting you know fed really well and um they’re definitely spoiling us from a from a you caddy Hospital and we have the caddy Association the association professional tour caddies um Scott sagak who’s our president has been for a few years does an incredible job I mean we have emails going out every week lining up different Hotel options and it’s just it’s a different world from when I started I kind of miss the caddy wagon we all do din on Wheels it was great caddy dining col and I are both by it’s just four CES chopping up here today Colts got one Loop never miss only missed one cut that’s windham’s fault but we made the cut before now it’s all me basically so we get it dude we’re just catties you know chopping it up but the cadd dining is the best spot in the in the place you get the real scoop I’m very open about it I used to be rather hard on caddies and the one time I caddy I just got put through hell at Phoenix this year where the weather was horrendous 33 holes on Friday like the and the dude hit it all over the map it was the I was like this is payback this is karma did you gain a different respect for us in any way no no of dud it was well first off Taylor is an [ __ ] okay I went through the bag on Wednesday he had a gallon Ziploc bag that had to have 60 gloves in it he had 50 electrolyte pouches like 22 golf balls I’m like dude what are we doing here he’s like well I don’t want to get rid of my stuff like I was like you get them for free we can get more and by the way we only need to carry about three gloves we’ll be fine put them in your locker he is special I saw you I did gain a lot of respect because it is exhausting especially where he hit it some places I’d be like hey man you got to give me a second believe it or not there’s no sprinkler heads I got to go find one the man hited out of bounds on 15 at uh TPC Scottdale where’s the out of bounds Yeah question that’s the right question that’s the one he goes what’s over there I said Mesa FBO that’s where that’s where Jordan and John and all them fly out of might a PJ over there oh my God it was h a G5 and then the next next day I text I’m like hey I’m driving down the 101 I just saw a tayor made two bouncing down the Rev it’s got your mark B and Big W Dave were like dude some of this stuff you say to him I’m like this isn’t my full-time job I’m not have fun with it it was great he hasn’t asked him back for next year guys believe it or not yeah you may you may talk to your boys kind Che a little bit different question cuz since both he and I have looped I got done with a week I was like I’m [ __ ] beat up like my body hurts especially the staffer those things are obnoxious by the way but whatever what’s like the most what do you guys got to do on off weeks to like legit take care of yourself like you go you walk as many miles as you guys do a year like something’s got to break down yeah yeah I mean you have you constantly have to you know stretch and do you know band work I feel like for me it’s like you know just making sure my hips are like in a good position because I mean obviously carrying the bag and and then just working on like your posture because everything pulls you forward as you’re trying to go up the hill or so you’re just I you consciously think about like posture but I mean I’m I’m a guy I love massage so when I’m home I mean I get one or two massages a week Mass too I like that yeah oh yeah I love massage big fan I am he’s got certain uh yeah certain specific type that he loves U but I don’t know if you know this these two both SP rather a lot of time in the gym so that’s where the show the going to the gym after this yes I just went yeah God I will say the 33 hole no I’ve been up since 3:15 this morning I’m exhausted um but I will say the 33 holes walking in the soft ground everything nasty fer was staying at my house fellow underwear model and we both got on the couch in my house and I’ve never been so tired in my life body hurt I was like I’ll order food but you have to go to the door and get it that was your deal I’ll pay for it but I’m not getting up I couldn’t it was uh those days don’t happen a lot but when they do especially in wet conditions man with that soft ground it just kicks your butt I’m like of all weeks really 33 holes yeah that’s brutal it sucked so it was tough just sitting out there and drinking all day during that day couldn’t imagine walking around that [ __ ] it was tough all right here’s a real question for you philosophical question for both of you I want you to finish this sentence the difference the the thing that separates a good caddy from a great caddy is blank you caddy like you’re not afraid to lose your job meaning meaning you’re going to tell them exactly how you’re feeling and never just kind of agree because they’re trying to they could try and talk you into something so you have to really stand your ground and and caddy like you’re not afraid to lose your like you might say something that that they might kind of make them upset or but it’s the right information so sometimes you just have to kind of just very straightforward because sometimes a player like they’re like well what do you think of this and you’re like no we got to do this and so I feel like just being very honest with yourself and in the situation you got to Joel and just does that take time to develop that like credibility otherwise your player will be like you know I was always a dude that had the dudes that showed up in the parking lot cuz I mondayed into something I was like sh I don’t you know whatever he says like you don’t know my game but it’s got to take some time to develop that credibility it does don’t talk about [ __ ] like that [ __ ] was trash could even get me through Q School dude imagine not getting me through finals what a bum ass I’m so talented he ruined me no what would you say though I would say be prepared you know just know the golf course um I don’t care how many times you’ve been there walk it see what kind of shape it’s in see if there’s anything new and then like Johnny’s saying I always just said tell the truth I’m not going to be right every time but you know you want me to do the best job I can do I’m going to be honest with you doesn’t mean I’m right but I’m going to tell the truth I remember you speaking about being prepared like uh last year at Phoenix I was out doing the TV and I was just looking at the golf course and there’s bones who is caddy TPC Scottdale probably 500 times and he’s out there walking the course on Monday or Tuesday like just looking at not I was like that’s unbelievable yeah I mean this guy knows every inch of this place for sure but he’s still out there doing but it’s amazing but what even one Loop when you’ve been there a bunch it just refreshes you from all the years you’ve been there and you just remember little spots and little places you can get up and down you can’t and to different pins who was a guy for both of you when you first got into cading like who was someone who whose brain you picked a little bit one of the veteran guys uh my first kind of Mentor was Paul Tori U when I started with crane uh back in late 09 early 2010 and and I just asked questions and and you know Paul was was gracious to to help me out and kind of help with some of the processes that I still use 16 years later so yeah Ted Scott Paulie as well but Ted Scott um he definitely helped you could ask him anything you still can you know you can go and I mean what a guy is he going to be okay after that like 50th place last week I tried to buy him lunch today and seriously though like a perfect match too those two together I mean they’re just Ted is just so great for him keeps Scotty so I mean obviously Scotty’s a stud but they just seem like a perfect match they are I agree I feel like catties are kind of like the football equivalent of like the o line they’re massively important but they get no credit and basically their whole job is like stay out of the media don’t say anything like be unnoticed we’ve had a few on that’s their their whole thing right but nowadays I feel like more players I think Jordan maybe be the one that kind of put it in the Forefront and with gr I think winham does a great job of it with JN as well but when your player acknowledges something maybe he’s getting interviewed he’s like man my guy said this or my guy pulled this club and I want to hit this one like what does that mean to you as a caddy when you get brought up by your player for like actually kind of facilitating I mean it goes a really long way I mean it it builds confidence it helps build the Rapport and it just you know when you get in that situation it just makes it that much easier when he knows that you know he might not you know tell you in the moment but after the fact you know it might like you said just kind of in a interview and you’re just like oh sweet because some a lot of times they don’t tell you directly which you’re you’re not getting the feedback like you that’s fine and and that is fine that’s what we do like that’s kind of that’s that’s part of it so um it definitely helps build confidence and just makes you want to work harder yeah I feel like that’s more common now which I think is awesome because it is as a we’ve done nothing been out for one tournament like whatever and you guys are in the big ones but like the way you talk to your guy I think sports psychology is is arguably the most important aspect of being ay knowing how to handle your guy when to handle your guy what to say what not to say right do you agree with that 100% yeah well you’ve both obviously given a lot of good clubs every day a lot of good reads but is there one whoops that stands out come on lman you’ve had that one little whoops I mean I’m sure I have it’s just little mystery I let those let I’ve had a couple ones on like the only two that really come to mind are actually like shorter wedges on par fivs where I whiffed on something and I’ve never had like a see you moment where it sailed over the green but definitely like a like a lob wedge to like 40 ft and you’re scratching your head and then you’re like oops sorry BD and the two times I can remember he made both pots that was kind of like a a thank you moment thanks for saving my butt I mean the first one that comes to mind for me I I was actually catting for Chris stad this is how long ago this was but at Memorial second hole we’re down on the right side there and I mean it was 110 with the heat index and I mean it was we just made the turn and I remember I I think I I added eight instead of subtracting eight and so I caught myself so I called him off the shot can happen and and so he’s like what’s going on and I said man I gave you the wrong number it was 16 yards off so then he I get the number right and he hits his shot up there and he’s like dude that was the coolest thing I mean that was UN un believable I mean that was awesome I mean you know Chris was like just so like postive I thought I was made the big biggest mistake ever but he did hit the shot so um I just remember like just I always double check my numbers like when while they’re kind of going just for that that one instance yeah the adding when you’re supposed to subtract or vice versa it can happen by the way your guys good Matt Irwin did that to me at Tory Pines one year uh subtracted instead of added and I like a wedge it like 95 yard he said 95 and you know when you hit something 95 right a player and it came up like 40 ft short and I’m like we get up there he’s like I messed up and your guy makes the putt I three puted 105 it was 105 it wasn’t even close he goes I knew you were going to three put and of course I’m playing with Charlie Hoffman who heard the whole thing and just let her when have next to all the part it used to be 17 on the north now it’s 8 maybe I guess and I hit it like 2 feet I didn’t say a word to everyone did my own yardage hit it like 2 feet Charlie nice club M just being the seagull is speaking of nicknames Caddy’s got great nicknames give me your favorite caddy nickname um you know recently I heard one it was in the way Ray like I thought it was pretty good like in the way Ray and apparently um want he’s out on the golf course before the first group like out there lasering stuff so he’s out there working hard but it was just like in the way Ray I thought it was pretty and and last call Lance was that was pretty CL that was pretty the letter that goes with it like businessman Bill Billman bill is a OG put some respect on his name I always like Montoya cuz he had a couple he had Overkill and like deep dish deep dish was good I remember deep dish at The Greenbrier was catting for Scott gesy we’re on 17 the par five and he tried to throw his Apple Core into the creek and it went behind him he’s an athlete I was like that was the most unathletic thing I have ever seen in my life missed the creek went behind him it was beautiful you guys want a juicy burger of a question I got one right here I just thought of 70c hole major change all right perfect example take Xander at the PGA at Valhalla but to win it right whatever it was he had it red inside left all right he calls you in you’re his guy your player calls you in says what do you got I I love inside left you think it’s half ball outside left what do you do but he’s he loves that line in his brain inside left but you think it breaks more do you do correct him or do you say I love it boss go get him that’s a juicy burger that’s tough I mean yeah that is tough I mean if he’s if he’s an aggressive you just maybe tell him just remind him that it’s uphill I mean it was an uphill putt so knowing your guy if he’s a die putter like if you think he’s going to die that putt I would definitely say you know even uphill some guys kind of die putts in so I mean I would definitely say something I I see more on the 72nd that takes yeah I mean if he misses that thing High he’s going to be like this [ __ ] yeah he misses it and then he beats Bryson in the playoff like there you go yeah got to put your balls on the line you got to got that’s a good point Joel affirm that confidence man if you read the situation if he loves it and I mean if you’re I mean if you’re nitpicking in that situation just instill that confidence I think that’s the best way to go um like not quite serious question you and I are both bald and beautiful absolutely uh I’ll never forget Washington DC you’re old boss us two went to Ben Crane went to a movie together so let’s just say this I was going to ask this to Stanford Steve the other day but I forgot so you me and Ben Crane grow the hair out for a month who’s got the best hairstyle you think or maybe the most who got the most or the best I can see you in the back you got you got all I can tell you is this when uh when the pandemic hit you know kind of like everybody else I was like you know what I’m just not going to not going to touch it for a while and I was about three or 4 weeks in and I was at home and went for a walk with my family and my wife’s behind me and we’re walking back to the house and she just kind of politely says you really are bald aren’t you and I went I went straight in and shaved I was like no this isn’t working for me that’s tough yeah so I don’t think it’s me I to say it’sa you I got the back you got up top yeah horseshoe around little just old got the crown you’d look weird with hair at this point I feel like you’d look weird with with hair this point if you got the plugs and came back flowing wanted me to do that restore thing and I was like I weird B’s good dude Kevin M A little it’s so Easy’s got a little plug up too shout out Kev you look great what that was that your chair feel that uh I got too much we’re here at the saxs place we got beautiful Aaron Fleer who is not scared of a microphone no he’s not and neither are you yeah come on let’s talk you and fer have a little singing competition I didn’t even know about this I used to sing professionally yeah yeah so then you for real for back in the day I’m retired though what did you sing like what kind of give me a guy that sings like you sing uh I sang a lot of gospel stuff with my two older brothers we used to tour around and and sing God you’re on tour yeah wow you a go you a gospel singer this is pre I just found this out today from Ellis he’s like yo asking about being a singer I was like what are you talking about can you can you give us some maybe a little something I’m retired bud I don’t have it I don’t have it anymore I mean mjk I’m retired amaz Grace dude baby got some okay yeah you fer start b stand by you heard us at T-Bones that night we got here a little bit F he ain’t scared the second the song comes on of me he’s all about it oh he loves it I mean he just gravitates towards a karaoke bar he’s a showman the amount of money I’ve spent for him to skip a line at a karaoke bar is just ridiculous worth it though it is going I was like these people suck this guy can sing and he’s going to bring some energy let’s go can I um ask something from a jealousy slin interested standpoint it’s a podcast you don’t have to ask if you can ask yeah but this is like a little bit personal I would say it’s it’s been said that you two have the best Cales on the PJ tour of everyone I there’s no denying right now do not it’s the one area of my body where I’m lacking boys is a c what can I do to be more like this is this is god-given am I [ __ ] a lot of genetics I mean I’ve had them since I was 16 years old same you jump high were you bouncy in your day I bouncy I could dunk were you bouncy you could smash I could not anymore yeah yeah but yeah basically what they’re saying isure 39 it Ain happen I’m like Iverson dude he could dunk if you remember never got hurt by the way give me your your if the caddies went out 18 hole stroke play who’s the best golfing caddy out here I’d take John Ellis any day oh but he Lo [ __ ] he’ll freak out best player to never have any status on a corn faer PJ t or John Ellis John Ellis in my opinion my humble opinion I played north baric with him uh two years ago at the Scottish and it was blown 30 and he hadn’t touched the club for four months and literally didn’t miss the center of the face once and broke par Elite ball Striker worst brain in history terrible putter but that those go hand in hand but terer green he he was tour caliber guy for sure I was with Windam at Wells Fargo and he won for the first time and I mean Ellis was just a Superstar CAD he always is but that week like just in trying to get that first win was just so positive and I was like John Ellis was Turell Hatten as a player and Tony Robbins is a caddy just unbelievable he’s 180 degrees he was the most angry like I played a Million rounds of golf with Dallas and like 20% of the rounds he ended with less clubs than he started with and he shoot 68 but he like his seven IRS done and his 6 gone so you’re going John Ellis I’m going Alex goer yeah he’s good qualified for three last year he did he had a chance to qualify for the US Open this year so it’s a good call there’s some good ones there’s some good ones I mean you got Willie Wilcox who obviously used to play JJ jackovic can play really good um who else Denny’s guy your guy derck Smith Smith Crush some I play a lot with grinder he is dude he’s a greatl doesn’t hit that far grinder G grinder is very proper very clean golf game didn’t didn’t Derek and his partner just crushed some caddy tournament recently is it like a four ball no they I think I and JJ they won by a million like a nine hole scramble they won by like two or three yeah there’s some dudes who can who can legit play legit play have come up with this idea no one’s allowed to steal it but you know they do all these matches and stuff they’re kind of boring because the guys don’t do personalities we need player caddy match we want four players four caddies teams on and that would be fun because c will they’ll they’ll throw some stuff out there show I think it’ be awesome and get y’all Under The Lights a little bit get a little pressure going I it be more a little roll reversal you got to hit a shot and Willie comes in gota coach you up on it like that’ be [ __ ] sweet man I’m getting nervous thinking about it yeah I mean maybe you do it shirtless just to make you more comfortable or New Orleans one year they do player caddy that’d be fun alternate shot player caddy on Sunday coming down theet that would be a home run clean up a one as long as Mulligans on Mig what Joe you played at Oregon I did great player what what what’s both y’all’s like handicaps right now I’m I’m a one I mean but it’s I I haven’t played much and talent I I have a 2 and a halfy old and once she gets into golf I’ll um I’ll be at the golf course more but for the last two and half years I haven’t been been there much um and I have a little boy on the way too SOG we’ll be on the golf course soon but um more consistently but right now it’s it’s when I’m home I’m staying out of the heat I live in Florida and yeah family time got that taco L hat on I’m a zero right now but it’s very inflated because will was out for a while last year so I think I posted like 65 rounds and that’s more golf than I’ve played since I was probably in college so a little time off had a little time off which is nice for the game before we wrap it up you I got a little game yeah let’s I got some of these all right we’ve done it with Cades before couple of them maybe caus a little situation so now we’re just doing it this is going to be like fluffing most people but it’s player or caddy most likely too and then the situation you guys can both answer okay I’ll give you all here’s an easy one to start out you’re assume y’all are a player give me the caddy you’d most want protecting you against an unruly fan just to just to handle the situation maybe whoop some ass if need be um I would say hubbert’s caddy Matt yeah panso yeah yeah pansa I mean he’s I got to agree with that he’s he’s a brick I mean I think he would he would throw down uh pendra guy Mitch she’s playing he body check you wouldn’t mind him is that you too Joel you said that would you agree with that or you got I agree with that no all right here’s a little slight variation bonus question which caddy is most looking forward to having an unruly fan where they get to regular who wants smoke go for it Pepsi yeah I don’t I mean yeah yeah but going back to that last one I’ll tell you another one that I don’t know but I think he could handle it uh Phil South African Phil oh yeah he’s a big human for sure there’s some big he works out a lot too he’s a big dude tell you guys not to be [ __ ] with York bird dog is a thick little bastard yeah dud he he’s soft he’s so hit him in the head there’s nothing up there he’s Dum and rocks you can just trick him he’s like a Zumba he’ll just run into the wall a bunch of times he’s like a zum call him Z Zumba from now on you just aim him at a wall and he’ll just run into it a million times [ __ ] turn that’s it he’s not bird dog anymore Zumo I got one all right uh your players are off the table but you you two out to dinner okay the Tour player sees y’all most likely Tour player to pick up the check for y’all I like that good question um Adam Scott yeah not surprising he can afford it and he’s really nice I’m going to go sth oh our next guest he’s coming up after you coming up right now he seems to be one of the most well-liked dudes he Awesome by everyone fans players caddies tournament officials whatever uh at Hilton Head a few weeks ago myself and my little sidekick Parker and one of the girls that works for CBS we’re out to dinner um HD was at the table next us bought our dinner wow yeah he’s HD is so generous I always see him he can play some golf too he can play some golf absolutely mhm all right what’s your next one I got a next one here I got an answer in my brain let’s see if y’all go here Kat who gives the worst you guys like to gamble lot of lot of pics being thrown around in Caddy dining who gives the worst gambling advice oh goodness can I answer gam I don’t gamble birdog Ellis Z Ellis yeah Zumba dude please start tell him his name Zumba from so that’s a [ __ ] great nickname uh Ellis is close he’s I tell you who thinks they’re incredible um God threw a blank on his name uh Scotty Bale Scotty Veil thinks he can like break Vegas he just every time he’s like oh I had this last night I had this last night I’m like you are lying you are not that good he thinks he’s a sharp oh good respect you got to just keep firing some pictures you just got to keep firing um all I got another one for you here’s an easy one give me your it’s it’s weekend Tums favorite player C CAD combo to be paired with from a fun perspective not like tiger like it’s going to be crazy just who’s your favorite um will zalatoris and Joel stock strong answer bud I like that wow a couple politicians I like that uh man we just had one recently that was just really fun was actually Cory Connor and Danny Saul Danny’s Danny Cory’s awesome great nice so chill it was awesome Canadian tour Legend yeah Danny all all right that’s a good one I’ll give you another one here I got one for you you got one okay okay we got this wonderful team of five underwear Soxs models okay you can recruit one guy to be the sixth who would it be ooh ooh what do you think we’re going with what’s the criteria likability or or sex appeal I mean maybe a little bit of both the hybrid I mean you got to Big Wave Dave oh yeah big wave love big wave Dave he’s great get him these Sho it could be Little Wave Dave you know what I mean cold mornings inid be like kyol [ __ ] Dave bird dog bird dog oh he would you wouldn’t be able to talk to him anymore dude he’d be standing in front of all five of us he’ show up with a gallon of water in a notebook you know like he goes to the gym I know he’s doing all probably shooting himself in the ass with a needle all right I’m ready oh my go all right here we go more likely to happen first Gino gets a reality TV show or Fleer signs a record deal coin flip yeah that’s a 50/50 but I mean Gino’s probably well on his way to a reality show I think he is too wants it I think he could do it I don’t think Fleer really I think everyone wants him to do it Morgan Wallen came down needs to open for me oh he would do it on first thing smoking sorry James Tyree I’m out of here hey good luck good luck at the John Deere I’m Madison John Deere great tourn it’s the first tournament comes in my brain I love the John Deere I love it too I too Duck City Gino reality show like just following him where he stays and doing all the [ __ ] that he does like that would be a good little that could be a YouTube show easy oh yeah right he’s he stays like the seen signed the most autographs 100% yes you know I remember the US Open at La Joel’s carrying his bag I’m like where’s G he’s like back there signing autographs I like Jesus unbelievable putting smiles on little kids faces and adults well guys this has been awesome the greatest shows there are dude you guys are the best thank you guys so much for so much he’s you in corner all right guys best of luck this week than apprciate thanks boys all right that was another fantastic caddy episode on subpar Joel stock John latti a lot of fun sitting down with them special thanks to saaks for setting us up a great little spot there at The Travelers championship in the fan Zone had a lot of of fun sitting down with M love those guys love all the caddies and saaks has done a great job with with all they do their products awesome too but I feel like the the guys they got to represent that brand like they pick all like all the right guys they got a great crew yep they did they got a cast the characters I can’t wait to sit down with the rest of the team in the future but it’s time to pick some other great guys our picks for this week’s rocket mortgage classic up in Detroit I’ll be there all four days Thursday Friday Golf Channel Saturday Sunday CBS and this is Sunday night so the odds aren’t out yet so we’re just going to give you a winner and I’m going to go with a guy who he’s just eventually he’s going to pick off another one still I think working his way back from injury the long putter has been a game changer he’s a ball striking machine that never leaves him he opened with 64 last week kind of faded the rest of the week give me will zorus okay okay I like that especially since we just had uh Joel on the show I’m gonna go with the guy C running a little bit warm right now only guy last week to break 60 Little 59 and I’m and Then followed it up with a 65 by the way which wasn’t the easiest thing to fall up with 59 from what I’m told never done it before but keep waiting on him keep talking about it like the talent level is there the guy is a monster and uh what better week than now for him to get it out only three guys in the top 30 uh in the world golf rankings out there this week so it’s it’s ripe for these guys at the top oh he’s coming he’s gonna get one eventually he just had too many close calls it’s got to come and how about his 59 I had Scotty Sheffer that afternoon walking with him on Saturday and I said I know you’ve broken 60 a few times how many he goes I don’t know five or six I’m like you don’t even know how many times you broke 60 that is disgusting whole in ones dude it’s like how many you guys ah 20 28 29 I’m like that’s that’s absurd like most people like it’s the like the only thing they want to do before they die is get one hole in one and he’s ah 28 oh okay yeah not knowing how many times you’ve broken 60 is yeah that’s a weird one it is but man it was a fun week up there at the travel shout out to them for putting another great event I’m off to the rocket mortgage classic and we’ll talk to you next week on subpar [Music]