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on welcome to Big D energy yo yo yo what’s going on everybody welcome back to another episode of Big D energy right here in the Woodward Sports Network my name is Neil Ru back in effect flannel Sam in for dmac flannel what it do hey this is uh quite the bullpen call that I got today but it’s all well and good you know just uh more time on the air to share my thoughts and Grievances and W how who who doesn’t want some more of that right absolutely people are charged up about it right now as a as a matter of fact but no flannel just more quality time for you and I to spend together absolutely no I love it I absolutely love it kg what’s really good you you man that’s what’s really good what do me I’m glad to see you back it’s good to be back I’m glad to be back I missed you man I missed you guys how was Florida oh it was cool man it’s electric down there man they are they are all in it was a good weekend though got Detroit City got the win very convincing a good broadcast um they are hyped down there man for the Panthers they wi 0 to 100 real quick I can imagine but that’s the type of town it is we’ll talk about that for a minute uh we got juus in the house inter Justin what’s up got his Motor City Tigers Jersey on yep I’m going down to the game probably will be disappointed but that’s okay what do you mean I mean I don’t I don’t love mediocrity so I’m probably going to be disappointed by Kent MAA oh yeah he’s on the you probably will be I I’m I’m just saying I’m not home R incoming not a lot of not a lot of optimism from this chair today when it comes to the Detroit Tigers but you’re going to go down there anyway yeah cuz I’m well I’m going with my dad and my sister’s boyfriend little guy’s night out so it should be time I like have fun man yeah I’m I’m just going to have fun have a couple beers couple dogs yeah man do what you got to do enjoy the environment Spencer raer in the building one half of the Woodward heavyweights 5: to 7:00 p.m. hello shout out shout out what was that what was that sigh hello you all right man no s yeah I’m still recovering I I bet yeah did you get into it yesterday uh no not yesterday not yesterday I had to I need I needed a whole day recovery I had a long weekend in uh Chicago a lot of fun um no I’m saying did you get into it like on on the network at all oh a little bit on heavyweights yeah okay yeah we had a we had a good time we were stoop boys we were chilling on the stoop uh we had a nice stoop on our Airbnb so we were chilling out there smoking drinking partying yeah um the highlight the trip the Empire strips back yeah Empire strips back that’s dope it’s a good time there were a lot of quality strip club names to choose from I saw there were there were there were quite a few uh we went to a White Socks game that was fun uh it’s a nice Stadium very nice Stadium Guaranteed Rate guarante the stadium yeah is fine like I like the stadium getting to the stadium is a little less than and that’s why I never want to hear people talk [ __ ] about Detroit mhm when go to do a White Socks game the L kind of sucks it’s fine once you step over you know the puddles of piss and things like that yeah but um it was fun I in honor of you I ate the the helmet nachos saw helmet nachos I was like I got to grab that it was good uh the Chicago dogs were getting put down all weekend elite elite way to to uh enjoy a Gizzy uh yeah it was it was a great time Chicago took care of the boys no I like it yeah it’s a good time great town man it’s a great town a lot of fun it is it is a great town everything you want whatever you want it to be that’s what Chicago can be so um I hope that’s what Detroit turns into when it grows up you know that’s that’s what I that’s what I want it to be no but but we are back and uh we are in effect we are going to talk a little bit about the Stan can we talk about the Stanley Cup or no are the people into it flannel or no yes we can talk about the Stanley Cup I I had a two-hour conversation with five people on The Morning Show easy we’re not going two hours no I know I’m just saying like in chat they were were involved for 2 hours so I’m thinking that people want to see it okay we’ll get it we’ll get into it um I’ll talk about you know the electricity down there like they are they are locked in as we would be as anybody would be it was car flag season down there you showed us man it was was that the Orchid Man with the car flag even the orcan man had the car had the car flags going jump into that wward Sports Chat thread get your thoughts out there and we will read them all day long uh it hips looking forward to Dr Jeff Pierce breakdown on barkov’s broken jaw I don’t know that I don’t know where that we’re going to get into that um just a fan Neil is back but is elago back oh my God he may be man ELO’s back he may be look at what happens when he doesn’t play flannel on Sunday isn’t that wouldn’t that seem to be a nice kickoff into a new age of Tiger baseball if we just if the Tigers just DF them right now or as so eloquently put and I kind of piggybacked off of just put him into a cannon and shot him into space I understand that in a vacuum having Zach mckinstry in there instead isn’t that big of an upgrade but even Zach mckinstry one of the most irrelevant meaning list players in MLB baseball has an Ops that is 100 points higher than jav bayz look it up Zack McKenry 556 jav bayz now had his Ops lowered to 456 that’s impossible it’s impossible but he’s doing it he’s doing the impossible he’s showing you yes that anything is possible the quot Kevin Garnett shout kg anything is possible flannel Sam uh we’ll get into that though we do have a little tiger thing that that we’ll get into just some of the names that we have to discuss we got to check back in with those that have been jettisoned out of the big league team check in with them see how they’re doing in the minor so we we will get there we will we will definitely get there there is a ton to get to um okay the chat right now and there’s been more and more of you jumping in and I have to find out what this is yeah people are talking about uh quote flanel will double down on his ridiculous trade idea what is going what did I miss on wake up Woodward this morning first off they are not ridiculous because think they was that bad I uh managed to in three different trade scenarios get the Tigers a new bat that’s undervalued without trading TK scoble or Jack Joe by the way my three trades and I’ll just be very brief about it one of them was bringing Chicago Cub’s outfielder Mike tochman and I said that the Tigers could give them a reliever and Parker Meadows trade number two I would trade um Jason Foley and possibly even Colt Keith if need be for Texas Rangers infielder Jos hold on hold on give me give me the first one again okay the first one is trade bring in Mike tochman from the Chicago Cubs outfielder 365 on base percentage 21st in the league league for it was any reliever that they wanted and if they needed and if need be Parker Meadows you said outside of Foley on this one outside of Foley yes what in what Earth would the Cubs do that deal because Parker Meadows is you’re not throw you’re not that is nothing that is filler that is filling up the Hefty bag here is why because the Cubs even though they’re having a rough season themselves they are in it and they need relief pitch they are they have good starting pitching but poor relief pitching and if you if if you decided even if you had to give them like Tyler Holton or somebody like that I would do it and oh by the way if the Cubs don’t value Mike tochman who is 33 years old you could sweeten it with guys you’ve got Cody Bellinger you’ve got Ian hap you’ve got seya Suzuki they think they have Pete Crow Armstrong even though he [ __ ] sucks but they value him for some reason your Outfield is full give us Mike tochman and supplement your Bullpen with one of our guys and plus Mike tuckman’s 1.9 million under team control next year arbitration okay so you I don’t trade one it looks like well in what world would the Cubs do that they need a relief pitcher tigers have a lot of good ones ones not named Jason fully ones with track records even some that have underperformed a little bit this year like Tyler Holt the left-handed reliever man they need relief pitching in the worst way they don’t need to be blowing any more brilliant sh to imag starts um all right next and the Cubs are basically us for context the Cubs are basically the Tigers just so you know you know every time you expect more then they win and you’re like okay here we go yeah and then they don’t and then you’re right back where you started from so you know all right give me the next one just just real quick I just want to indulge him with this all right um I would bring in Josh Smith infielder for the Texas Rangers who is ninth in the MLB and on base percentage by the way ninth a qualified batter ninth in the MLB and on base percentage and the first thing I would give up to the Rangers who also are basically the Tigers right now they need relief pitching in the worst way I would give up Jason Foley and if need be I would even throw in Colt Keith even though he just got signed that’s what I would do and and and and um Josh Smith is another one who’s under team control for the foreseeable future just got all the arbitration years makes under 100 makes under aill you appear to be out on trade too Neil um you can also Play Short Stop I’m yeah I’m just I’m trying to process that I just think I don’t know about though that’s my only deal with that well you do all right here’s where I’ll back Sam up for a second okay like you do understand in order to get something especially an elite bat that can play shortstop like you were going to have to give something up right we know this we understand this and it’s not Parker Meadows and you know henryy that’s I get it it’s not going to get the job I know he’s bad right now I just believe in the future foref but elaborate continue yeah no I I do too yeah I absolutely do too and you know you got the the long-term deal with him so I’m willing to ride with it and stuff like that I see I see flannel working it’s it’s just for me like if I’m the Rangers I see what you say about the bullpen thing yeah but what what are are you making my Bullpen Elite with that cuz I’m giving you an elite bat in in today’s metrics world I’m giving you an elite bat I’m kind of counting a little bit on a the Rangers undervaluing someone like Josh Smith B they got Josh Young coming back from injury C Colt Keith’s potential and D Jason Foley to he’s in he’s at times been an elite Bullpen pitcher I’m not just giving you like Bo brisky I’m talking Jason Foley who I’m willing to uh to a part ways with and like I said it would probably take some convincing yeah if now I would do that on the Tigers end 100% 100% I would be him with that I appreciate that because because I do have to take away I have to give you one of my strengths in order to show up one of my and it’s going to take then if not that then you tell me what what are you going to give up cuz Parker Meadows isn’t even getting you a middle aisle seat on a Spirit flight okay like he’s not even giving you that that’s real okay so for real in on trade two trade three oh he forgot to preference that he um signed uh Cavin bigio claim Cav bigio on waivers from Toronto put him in the Line Tonight line tonight DF hob for sure then I’m in I’m in I don’t care what it is I do that you want one of my children if it means you’re going to DFA jav Cristiano sorry but it was a good run sorry bro and this is where I think we have to we have to continue to use our platform and not just accept that ah Chris illich would never do it come on if if the Tigers continue to stay in this Perpetual kind of loop of 500 but they’re still in the wild card spot just imagine if Terk scoel has a Sai Young season which he is the favorite for right now and they miss the playoffs by two games and jav bayz plays in let’s just say 120 125 games you know what you just altered the show yes because when we come back we’re we’re going to talk the Tigers thing then okay cuz I cuz you you sensed it didn’t you oh yeah I knew it was coming this is why I miss you man because there’s another thing that I talked about with my tiger group chat buddies mhm and there’s another thing that we talked about and now it’s going to it’s going to pop up here yeah because I I have some things for you guys here as far as I respect Sam for at least trying to fix’s trying to make it everybody complains about the Tigers but what are you doing to fix what are you doing to fix it exactly uh we got a k Cunningham discussion we’ll get to in the first hour as well uh so so we’ll get into that there’s some football stuff we’re going to rock and roll as we said Dr Pierce will join us we’ll talk uh we’ll talk about some injuries situations and 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your thoughts out there all right the we’re getting into the Tigers now so we can get this done and handled and move on okay because flannel had some ideas you’re getting murdered about the Foley thing in here uh I don’t think people then what’s your what’s your solution then because I want to know where the people are with it uh crazy clown pitchers who throw over a 100 with a two seam fast ball do not grow on trees Nobody Does that except for Foley okay crazy clown then what’s your move what’s your move I guess we got to get to this then because what was your third trade flannel all right my third trade is the one for the player that I’d be most excited about I would bring the Tigers lont W Jr first baseman from the San Francisco 49ers or San Francisco Giants who is currently on the injured list he’s a got a hamstring that’ll keep him out till the end of June but this season he doesn’t have the qualified at bats he has a 470 on base percentage and a lifetime 357 on base percentage and he makes 3.2 million this year he’s under team control next year arbitration and then he’s a UFA in 2026 in order to get Lamont W Jr I would give up reys Olsen for one because the the Giants have no pitching whatsoever they have one of the worst team ER in all of baseball and I don’t think they would take a rental in Jack flarity given that they’re the Giants and I don’t think they’re a World Series Contender this year and if you had to do it I would even throw in Spencer Tolsen ree Olson Spencer Tolson for Lamont Way Jr and Lamont Way Jr is 30 by the way just for a little justt now that that’s that’s a little aggressive but I I don’t I don’t hate the the street you’re on you know what I’m saying you’re on the street um because we have to make a decision and this piggybacks into what I want to get into here and Spenny had the topic on here uh medals tolon they’re they’re all raking in tripa yeah of course which that’s the point yeah that’s the point like you and he asked a question he said is it time to bring up someone and I say no yeah it’s not I agree all all I needed to see was what happened on Sunday and going back to it going back to it yes when Javi doesn’t play those things are more likely to happen offensively they just are let’s get real about it all right and this isn’t you know I’m not recycling the shoot them and a rocket to the moon all I’m not I’m not going down that road I’m just going to tell you guys this when you take even a near average Major League Baseball player and put him in a spot in jav Sp spot look what happened and over the course of time here’s a deal you know the Tigers this year when Javi and Tolson don’t play they’re three in one wow they’re three in one when they both don’t play weird right and I’m not saying they’re a 75% winning baseball team without without the both of them but they are better you can’t deny it you can’t now I’m not clamoring for Tor to come back up right now because I I just want to keep it pushing yeah with the way it is and now that you have taken torque out of the lineup when Javi doesn’t play things seem to be better and why wouldn’t they be better Javi once again is on Pace to have the worst season in the history of Major League Baseball y period in story you can’t debate it you can’t deny it and so like look when you take the worst player in the history of baseball out and put literally anybody else in it’s better yeah you can’t deny it fair I don’t want to hear about how Elite of a tagger he is or anything like that sorry I don’t I’m just going off of the math now I get the Nuance behind it and what the deal is and I’m not again I’m not doing that right now but it comes to this they are a move away they are a move away from being in the playoff mix wild like full in they’re how are they not yeah y we’re almost halfway through this mhm they’re what two games back yep yep of the wild card they are and and this is by Design too with the wild we talked about the Cubs the Rangers all of it these are your like competitors right now MH so through all this and Sam through the jav and torque thing and the worst history the worst series seasons in the history of baseball through all of it you got to look at it you do absolutely and with a move we took someone out on Sunday of the lineup and look what happens what happened if you added somebody yeah and I mean I just gave you a c like three different scenarios that I think would help this team and it would most certainly the one thing that you cannot deny and this is irregardless of who you have to give up those guys would help your offense the offense and I and I understand Kenna Maeda hasn’t been good Casey M for the most part hasn’t been good the bullpen has had spurts of not being good I’m talking to you Joey Wentz and Andrew Chaffin but however the offense has been the main problem you kind of mention it Parker Meadows was so bad he played his way into Triple A Spencer Tolson although not as bad was so bad he played his way into Triple A jav bayz is so bad he should play he should play his way into never being on an MLB field again the Japanese league is where abely he should be in that or the Korean League which I watched a lot of in a Savanah bananas in Savannah ban hey get him out there he actually would be perfect for Savannah bananas because of the flare and everything get him on give him a contract Savannah Georgia but uh and they could throw like pitches in the stands and he could swing at them and stuff like that yeah no but you you said it perfectly and I said this at the beginning jav bayz has a 456 on Base Ops that is even worse than it was last time when us and Mike valeni checked in with you guys P this past Friday it he is having literally the worst everyday player season in MLB history ever but yet he’s out there almost every single day he was only in there for two out of the three over the weekend series and guess which one the offense actually performed and they won it was the game where he didn’t play and as I said in the beginning this is where you should just start off this new beginning for the Detroit Tigers I don’t even care if you add anybody you don’t have to add Cavin bigio or trade for any of the guys that I mentioned just get jav bayas off of this team because even Zach mckinstry who’s not good has a 100 Point better PS it’s the it’s the facts it’s the facts of the matter and you are in this mix and this isn’t even a bash jav thing guys this is the principle of everything you have a look at this we have not been relevant in a decade Y in a decade and I you us we put too much time into this team on a day-to-day basis yeah to just piss away an opportunity to be in the mix yeah I’m I’m pleased in to the Tigers organization right now I’m pleading we have a look at this guys mhm we do so can we do something about it and even that just that can we just come out and say it that Zach mckinstry is the everyday shortstop going forward I’m with it yeah he even mentioned wiel Perez might get some reps there too whoever yeah at this point yeah whoever you see what happens when he wasn’t involved you know what the you know what the numbers are like please can we please do I’m ask I’m begging can we please do this guys and do something to shore up the hitting and and look I’m not clamoring for some major move the flannel you know below the radar if you went to the average baseball fan yeah average baseball fan would not know the names that you talked about and I’m and I’m like look I know that it’s popular and I know that it runs against the grain of what we do here and it’s probably something that I should be better at but I’m not I don’t do that Crea a trade straw man trade stuff and talk about it here I just don’t however that being said this is the time I’m clamoring for it I know everyone loves the transaction more than the action now I understand that too but this is the time I’m asking for it yeah I’m well and also if you want to kind of go further into and here hold on Mark says just sitting by us could be the move yes yeah like when are we going to become adults about this yeah that’s a little Chris you know I had to hit you I know but that’s I’m not going to I I am going to use my platform form though to say that it’s not good enough to just say Chris is never going to do it it’s just not I’m going to clammer for it until the day it happens especially if the Tigers continue to hang around especially if trik scoble continues to be not only a sa young candidate but and other media Outlets have been talking about it an Al MVP candidate and it’s not crazy by the way way TK scoel is the best pitcher that currently walks Earth and if they if they waste that season I will be livid and furthermore I was I was teasing it I mentioned another sort of move that I personally would make if I were moving forward with the Tigers if I were GM flannel Sam and uh or front front office flannel as jues called me I would not only DFA jav bayz I would also send Colt Keith to the miners I would I would have wind seal Perez as your everyday short stop moving forward just because he can actually have a 700 Ops and he doesn’t use the excuse of oh I’ve never had any at bats before this season like Colt Keith not saying Colt Keith does it when seal Perez has actually produced I just want players who actually produce and aren’t a black hole in my lineup and unfortunately that’s what it’s kind of been with the Tigers and if you want to include Carrie carpers injury there’s about three four five players that a lot of us were counting on having and being successful that just aren’t right now go ahead k no I was saying you would bring up Jay young as well Jay yes I would I would bring up Jay Young give him a spin and start him tonight I would as your third baseman uh Ward Sports Chat threat catspot Neil is delusional tigers’s pitching will regress Casey m is not a 2.4a 2.4 ra pitcher which I know he’s not I don’t think he has a 2 is pushing five now my friend um and sco’s not a 1.9 ER pitcher yeah he is yeah he’s the best pitcher baseball Cat spot he’s a betting favorite to win the Sai Young and that’s my point about all this that’s why I’ve come here with Renewed Energy and vigor and not even about the jav thing this is real this is real with scoel yeah it’s real and it’s criminal if we don’t do something yep that’s it’s criminal that’s why this trade deadline I’ve been saying it the last couple days this trade deadline is going to be a definitive one for uh Scott Harris in the gang because are you in are you out because when new information presents itself you have the right to change your opinion and that applies to Scott Harris as well and the Tigers organization it does we can’t be in the middle are you we’ve been Irrelevant for a decade and I would yes I would even take it if the move is taking out the worst everyday player in Major League Baseball I’m tired of him submarining our chances to win like I know we were laughing about it and joking about it before he’s back yeah I know we were laughing and joking about it before but now it’s real everybody yeah because look at what happens when he’s not involved well and the worst part was this weekend because we know that TK scoel he’s musty TV he’s tantalizing he’s a he makes me excited to watch like I’ll be down about the Tigers and then I’ll watch t scoel Dominate and I’ll be not necessarily all back in but all back into what they could what they could be and granted I know ree Olen pitched a bad game this weekend he did really his first time being shelled all season but now even though his erra has now ballooned to a robust 343 the tigers are 2 in 10 in ree Olsen’s starts and furthermore in all 12 of Rees Olsen’s starts jav Bas has been in the lineup and jav Bas has actually missed 12 games but during ree Olsen’s starts jav bayz has been in the lineup every single time just imagine if you had somebody else any other player in I guarantee you win one more of those games at a minimum I guarantee it I believe it was four of the starts where ree Olsen either either had a zero earned runs allowed or one earned runs allowed when he started those are some games in which even Zach mckinstry who’s not good but better than Biz would maybe flip a game or hell maybe they bring up Ryan kler or something like that I know he was it doesn’t matter doesn’t matter literally anybody else yes yep L that’s that’s the point we’re driving at and Cat spot look like you said the the Tigers pitching will regress you you you could be right and you may be right but here’s the other thing the flip side of that coin you would have to suggest that their hitting will progress but guess what it’s not it hasn’t yeah it’s not and there’s no reason to believe that it will so therefore I’m not wasting one of the greatest Seasons a Tiger pitcher has ever had wrap your wrap our arms around this everybody Terk scoel right now is having one of the 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like to check in and see where people are with this line of thinking Trevor Bower is out there now I have been on the Trevor Bower train for over a year MH I am not asking people to raise my children I am asking them to tow the tow the mound and get people out yeah Trevor Bower is having a great season down in the Mexican League had a great season in the Japanese League last year M and he’s sitting right there and he’ll play for the league minimum yeah he’s he was never proven guilty he was I that’s over yeah like the whole thing’s over yeah I’m not a judge I know he’s a free man so I just can we chat pull that one Spenny for real would you would you support the Tigers signing Trevor Bower I see some early yeses in I’m signing Trevor B you and I are in the same wavelength I’m there too why not he’s not he’s not in jail he’s a free man I’m not in the market for choir boys I don’t even care about that videos of her setting him up hey and I’m not even getting into that yeah you guys know how I operate between lines he’s good mhm he will help this team at a very low cost and I’ll tell you what and I know that this is you know front office flannel talk but I’ll I’ll give I’ll give it that angle and I’ll give what the Tigers currently have angle if you were to do the Lamont Way Jr trade and ship off ree Olsen and Spencer Tolson for him bring in Trevor Bower I’m I’m just saying that I’m I’m just saying Scott Harris think about it but also even now Tommy K bring him home even now and I think we’re past the point where it’s just being a slow starter and Neil I got to give you credit for it for it you were you predicted it you were kind of bullish on it from the beginning at some point I don’t care about contracts I don’t care that he’s here for the next couple of years put Trevor Bower in the starting rotation and take kenay out yeah well like it’s not like you can’t just sign him and he’d walk in like there’s going to be some kind of discipline for Major League Baseball or whatever I don’t care I don’t whatever that takes who cares whatever it takes man make him the reliever like if if we’re going to go this route though you know what I’m saying like we want to take a look at the young guys and which I take to mean be fiscally responsible MH because of payrolls you know in the 20s yeah so if we’re going to go this route then go this route I’m I’m in gr go all the way if you’re going to do the youth movement do it get rid of this old veteran that’s sink in the team and just live and die on the young guys Jesus oh boy what spny H just Supremacy says uh Trevor Bowers has been bad since he left the major leagues in 2023 in 19 games in the Japanese League he had 130 strikeouts and had a 2.76 ra with only 31 base down balls and 14 home runs allowed well in 130 Innings pitched he had 130 strikeouts in the Japanese League yeah you know right where like icho played and Otani played yeah likea yeah and if you want to use the angle that you know the Japanese league isn’t the major leagues it is the second best league but it’s not the major leagues and you have some questions about him not being a big league pitcher since I believe Trevor Bower it was the middle of the 2021 season I’ll grant you that but don’t say that he was bad in highlevel leagues that’s that’s where I’m kind of like ah no he actually wasn’t and the last time he stepped on a Major League field he was one of the top rotation pitchers on the do on the Dodgers starting rotation and in 2020 I believe he won the sa young yeah and again guys like I don’t I don’t like to to do this fantasy stuff you know what I’m saying but I don’t I would make this kind of move you know what I’m saying because if you’re going to go down again if you’re going down this road and this is the kind of team you’re going to be then be this kind of team and you have you have to uncover some rough diamonds yeah that’s that’s the cost of doing business yeah and I think what we’re all what all of us are coming to terms with and coming to grips with and it’s a good problem to have for the record if the Tigers make it a good problem to have I think if we all would have known that Spencer Tolson will be as bad as he was Parker Meadows will be as bad as he was or or he has been that colt Keith is has been as bad as he has been and that Jai bayz would find a way to lower his Ops by about 130 points from last year that there’d be no way that the Tigers we’d think the Tigers would have damn near the white sock record but they don’t because they found a to win some of these games they found a way with a guy like Terk scoel be elite we found a way at the beginning of the year when their Bullpen was unhitable finding a guy like ree olssen even though the Tigers don’t win a whole lot with him they should Jack flarity has been a phenomenal signing they have a shot they really do through all this and I don’t think we realize it yeah for I don’t think we do just based on the buzz and things like they are here they’re here yeah is it impressive no no it is not a step in the right Direction it is but again Terk scoble is having a histo this I don’t think people realize one of the greatest Seasons a Tigers pitcher has ever had mhm like everybody’s buddy Verlander who’s just like ah I’m leaving here later I mean I don’t blame him in retrospect but that’s another I’m glad Isaiah Thomas never did that another combo for another time no the point is is that even and I get it this isn’t a full season with Terk scoble even during Justin Verlander’s MVP season his erra started with a two Terk scoes begins with a one and again like I said has Terk scoble done it over a full season no but if you want to include last September in this and then however long this season has been TK scoble is been the best pitcher in all of baseball since September of last year I I saw a stat that was like in his last 18 games he’s only allowed 19 earning runs ridiculous it’s literally insane right so like what are we going to do about that and and here’s the deal too like all right you want to do the fantasy land [ __ ] like hey I got two more minutes for the break I’ll indulge you with that I’ll even say this if you can do what you can do to get into the playoffs if you got scoble you got a shot to win a series absolutely you throw him on the tit twice Y in a five game series come on or or three game you know what whatever it takes yeah like and flarity looks pretty good too so that’s a guy you put that’s it yeah because really if you look at it tell me what the Dodgers plan is off the top of your head pitching wise probably Walker ber coming back but he’s yeah right well that’s a given it’s not a given no like you see what I’m saying like you see how this shrinks like what’s the Yankees plan Garrett Cole coming back from injury okay let me know when he gets back the same let me know when he you see what I’m saying here like these Lock Stock locks that we have across Major League Baseball when you really get granular and you really shrink this into a playoff series what do they rolling with uh Cleveland has some injuries on their pitching staff as well in a short I’m just saying in a short series that’s that’s my point about guys like this is more real than we even realize absolutely it is yep I can’t think of a single team in the a off the top of my head who would have a better pitching rotation in a playoff series in a playoff series where you’re rolling three dudes yeah the Yankees have that but guess what you got to be in there to find out yes sir you see what I’m saying like am I make am I spending your guys’s gears at all here with this or no like nope yeah you’re twisting my fancy am I tickling your fancy tickling my fany tell you’re right right for real though for did you guys like realize this though until we started rapping about it today like like about the scoble thing and the playoff thing and just get in yeah well I mean that’s one of the reasons why after this weekend I wasn’t super happy about the win on Sunday although I’ll take it we’ll all take it with Terk scoble I am petrified that they will waste this like that’s kind of the angle where I’m at I’m just terrified that we’ll even see jav bayas even if he plays a hundred games and the Tigers miss the playoffs by two it’s a crime against humanity like Terk scoel said should damn near sue the team and as far as and and I know that this is becoming a little bit redundant if I’m reys Olen I’m suing the Tigers for malpractice for putting jav bayas out there every single day when I’m pitching because with when when you’re as good as ree Olsen has been take take it to HR like l a workplace complaint when you’re as good as Reese Olsen has been you deserve that feeling after games that Victory feeling more often even when your erra is 343 which it is now although it’s more inflated off of this past bad start you your team should win at least half of the half of your starts and probably even more Baro cologne won a whole ass Sai Young with a 348 erra and REE Olsen tiger team is 2- 10 in his starts and it’s 343 those are the type of things that I’m worried will end up sinking the team and it all goes back kind of to one man one very very Terrible Bad Man and one very very Terrible Bad baseball player jav bayz that’s it and let me tell you about Premier pet supplies Premier pet suppli is hands down Michigan’s best pet store same prices and all the conveniences of the online and big box retailers with one major difference they are family and locally owned and operated for over 30 years with 60 brands of food and nutrition experts to help you make sure you go to Premier Pet Supply or check them out at Premier petly.com yo let me just say I love Planet Fitness trying out Planet Fitness and dang they got lots of equipment not me getting a Planet Fitness membership just for the 24 hour perk listen the pf black card is worth every penny for this hydro massage I’m a new man did y’all 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Woodward sports.com get ready for football season and boot them kids boot them kids hate them kids DN right Boo them kids boo them kids everybody back at it Big D energy Woodward Sports Network Neil Ru Sam flannel kg juus the intern Spencer raxter as well uh he’s back from his bachelor party in Chicago he made it he made it he made it he did it got to do it all again next month oh yeah yeah Colorado this time oh you guys going to Denver uh I don’t know exactly I don’t remember the city exactly but it’s for my brother’s bachelor party that’s nice though very expensive couple months for SP yeah yeah Colorado dude is when you’re hanging out there and you’re getting into it yeah just remember everything’s almost twice as strong there as it is here oh yeah the air is stay but the smoke is nice and and the the beers are heavy they’re hitters they’re all double digit percent oh yeah they don’t play games out there I I’m excited I was screwed up when I went to Denver a couple weeks ago yeah that I was not ready for the elevation change speaking of which if anybody uh in the chat has some odd jobs they need done on the weekend hit me up I’m pretty broke and I I can use some money so if you need you need something done be careful with that not yeah not too odd yeah I was about to say be careful with that not too odd but you need some manual labor need something lifted or moved let me know I’m being serious I’m 100% serious I’m broke just spinny just showed up and Jo door St yeah I will I will pick things up and I will put them down heavy things heavy not bad at it there you go all right I did want to get into this before we are joined by Dr Jeff Pierce um the news has come out and I know James Edwards from the athletic was was one of the ones that was spot on this uh listen to a couple podcasts that he was on over the weekend when I was getting my running in Florida when it was 101 heat index with 88% humidity I’m just whenever you wonder when you watch college football this summer and them guys are flying around the field you know why yep all year round why all year round uh Kate Cunningham is on the verge of of locking up his 5year 226 is million uh rookie max deal and it’s going to go down and Spencer asked the question Point Blank and I saw it here in the chat earlier this is the play right like flannel this is the play s here are are people overthinking this to some degree 100% they are overthinking it Kate Cunningham is the guy Kate Cunningham had one season where he had an injury that has been recurring since he was since he was I believe in high school or college and got it fixed last season was contrary to popular belief last season was not an injury plague season he played 62 games which isn’t bad by the way and he would have played more if the Pistons actually would have been in contention this is a guy that improved his three-point shot this he had over 20 points per game Dam near Eight assists he’ll give you five rebounds he’s he’s long he’s he’s he’s got the length to play defense he’s everything that you want in kind of that star that is going to be a very good team player it’s just the problem is and this is something that I cannot I will never stop hammering he had some of the worst help you have seen in the history of the NBA last year you can name about five or six players that he didn’t have this past year that either jayen Ivy did the previous year or they were better with Jaden Ivy I mean let’s start out was sadique Bay in 2023 sadique Bay was there for 50 some games shot 35% from three and and had 15 a game this year Kade Cunningham was stuck with the unenviable task of playing with a full season of the guy he was traded for James wisman a guy like hamdu Dio he didn’t have Buon and fonio played a combined 43 games whereas the previous year Buon played 59 Burks played less games this year and was less efficient Isaiah livers went from in 2023 being an okay role player playing 52 games to being an unplayable scrub in 2024 with 22 games my point with all of this is that nothing of what happened last year was Kade Cunningham’s fault I put zero% blame on him and if you want to go even further jayen Ivy regrets and it’s not a good backcourt mate to Kate Cunningham he doesn’t shoot well enough assar Thompson for all the good that he has shoots his three-point percentage in the teens ouch to me it was all about what they surrounded Kade Cunningham with and not anything about Cade and I am hoping that they will fix that this offseason at least to some extent we don’t know but Kade is that guy you signed him to a Max yesterday um and the Ying to that Yang Matthew Krueger Krueger in the uh you signed Cade you are doomed for the next five years give me the why on that mat like why give me the why I I just I want to hear it from somebody for real because I don’t I don’t understand how there could be any push back yeah on Lock and Kate up like as you said flannel Kade is not the issue no Kade and I I’ll even say this to you and this is props to Kate Cunningham he has been on brand the second he stepped in the door here the whole time thank you Neil you and look this is exactly what I said after I called one of his games in college when I walked out mhm I said he’s got the NBA body yep check seen him in person he’s got the NBA body he will make the basketball play Y which he does and he is exactly what we thought he was going to be yes and and and the thing is I’m not saying that those players that I mentioned before are like these all stars or these all World help and oh by the way Monty Morris was out the whole year pretty much as well with the Pistons but let’s go back to a time very recently called 2023 God this whole this whole like battle has almost made me like strongly dislike Jaden Ivy I’m going to try not to but for anybody who is is going to say like what’s the big deal with Buon what’s the big deal with Bay what’s the big deal with Burks these are the leading scorers in 2023 of the games that the Pistons W bogy ba ba bogy bogy bogy bogy Burks uh that was the that was a Washington game right the Burks game I believe so bogy that boy ba B iy there’s one bogy Kur Cory Joseph another player that K Cunningham didn’t didn’t didn’t get random as hell Cory Ivy that’s two but that’s my point is that last season Kade Cunningham had less of even bogy and fono combined than was available the year before he had less of Burks he had a bum in livers he had nothing of baay and he had nothing of Diallo it was the worst help I’ve ever like it’s it was it was awful what what Kate Cunningham had to deal with I’m surprised like you’d see him after games he would look depressed because he’d be playing his ass off and it wouldn’t matter um that that burk’s game where they beat Washington yeah K Cunningham did not play in that game right I don’t believe so okay and the reason I say that is I’m going to let you guys behind the curtain a little bit uh Chuck Brewer says Neil can you imagine if he wanted to be a Mal content he has tons of reasons to be publicly upset ser and he is the opposite of this I’m going to tell you guys this he just wants to win I was there like I lived it I was there after the Washington game we were getting on the bus to go to the airport after after the Pistons won and Burks went off and all that stuff the man that was most hype and this isn’t [ __ ] I’m not kidding you guys the man that was most hype on that bus about the team winning was Kate Cunningham mhm who didn’t play yeah who didn’t play K Cunningham is the kind of guy you want on your team low ego star you want Kate Cunningham on your team I I’ll never I will never forget that that was one of those moments he was running around hype on the bus yeah like hype as hell yeah yeah he is not the problem he is not the issue he is not somebody and look catspot said something that I that I uh he got an answer for every [ __ ] that I agree with absolutely you would never get the trade value in return because of the situation Kate Cunningham is in right now situations that you’re in are detractors to your value yeah and with Kate Cunningham I’m going to side with the guy who actually put up All-Star numbers he’s never going to be an All-Star on that bad of a team who put up All-Star numbers and just had a crap team around him I’m going to side with a guy who who worked on his game in the previous offseason has got got his three-point percentage up to look at the way his body has changed absolutely he’s he’s in he’s in he’s got his man body now and now he can shoot no but but he’s in like K Cunningham is in he just wants to win I can’t for the Pistons so bad it’s like I’ve seen it I I’ve talked to Canon multiple times about it like the guy loves the city he wants to be here he wants to win the the cunninghams are great people kayen Kaden Cannon fantastic people Ashton great dude like they want to win here so bad Kade wants to do everything to win here so bad that’s what pisses me off the most is like we’re failing him by not putting a a a good enough team around him a team that supports what he does the best and you know his injury concerns were were bad but this year he was fine like Sam said he would have played 70 plus games this year if the last 20 games of the Season meant to [ __ ] so I I love K Cunningham I want him to stay here for for a long time and I just need them to put pieces around him that benefit him not not 133% Shooters not guys who can only only affect the game if they have the ball in their hand and they’re driving to the hill and they can’t play defense and can’t shoot like you got to put Shooters around the guy man oh go ahead yeah no I was going to say Len W says Weaver am Monte ruined his reputation even our own fan base has turned on him it’s very sad to see al& W like when you make that comment you stop at Weaver then yeah because I don’t understand like if Weaver was so bad then how could you expect Monty to be good for real like let’s you know let’s get past the emotion for a second you know what I’m saying well I mean I don’t think anybody thinks that that was a bad pick I think the the longer this has all gone along the more you can question a pick like jayen ivy for example I’ll tell you who would who would look really nice and uh in pistons in a Pistons uniform the guy who was picked right before Jaden iy oh Keegan Murray ke M Jaden sharp would be a better than Jaden I to be fair though everyone in this room clowned the Keegan Murray pick that is true but I wanted Shaden sharp I was I was Shaden sharp TR everybody clowned the Keegan Murray pick I wanted Keegan no I actually he was a better fit I did want Keegan but here’s here’s what I did and I’m not saying that the book on Jaden Ivy is closed or anything like that I let peer pressure get to me a little bit and this is where I have to shout out a guy like easy who never really wavered because every everybody was so happy about the jayen ivy pick and I kind of feel like Neil you you were kind of in the same boat had a few more questions than some and so far I’m not saying he’s bad I’m just saying that him and Cade fit together like trying to put these fingers like just Clash they’re terrible they don’t fit at all hey that was a terrible like comparison but you know what I mean that was bad you know who else you know who else would have fit great next to kid Cunningham guy like Desmond Bane yes a guy like Tyrese maxi mhm you know guys that were passed up over three times by the No Doubt y well the new GM’s here now so you know that that’s what it is we’re live at the plan of Fitness Studios everybody you guys know what it is plan of Fitness the High School summer pass is off and running if you are a teen or you know a teen you know 14 to 19 that’s in high school they can work out for free all summer long at planetfitness go to planetfitness.com you can register there or you can pull in the parking lot of any one of the 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have kids in Youth Sports too and this is something I’ve been wanting to get into it with you to some degree you had kind of a comment on the intensity around Youth Sports and and I want to hear your story and then I have one as well that made my wife stop going to my son’s competitions uh but but what what did you what did you observe over the over the week again you know I I obviously my kids are a little bit older but I’ve been dealing with youth sports since the training room and all the all the Red Wings all the hockey over at Troy Sports Center since before some of you were born but um basically the intensity is it’s not getting better it’s getting a little bit worse and it I I guess I don’t want to open up a whole can of worms because this is a big can of worms no doubt right I mean you’re you’re edgy I’m sure some of the listeners are edgy but basically you you got to put in perspective the pressure on these kids we’ve talked about college athletes now I’m talking about high school athletes Junior High athletes adolescence adolescence you have to understand what the body’s doing during this time that’s why it’s more important usually by the time you get to College your body’s developed you’re building muscle things like that with the intensity of these sports with the kid going through grow Spurs you got to understand just to simplify life and what’s going on in a kid and Adolescent W girls it happens a little bit earlier but as you grow your bones are growing your muscles and ligaments and everything else is catching up right so if you’re this high-intensity athlete working on a body that’s going through a grow spurt what really upset me is my assistant’s um my assistant’s husband was a big time baseball player he was throwing a curveball when he was in fifth grade okay so for all you people listening right now you should not be throwing a curveball in fifth grade because all it’s going to do is mess up your elbow and your shoulder and what happened he goes I blew my shoulder out I go like in high school he go no 8th grade I was pretty much done I started playing lacrosse wow we were talking about lacrosse there a kid in Maryland big Husky kid probably had potential but it’s the it’s the unknown of what’s going on that’s a lot of reasons why I even started doing my show on on 971 is the educ at these people because there was unnecessary injuries so I’m jumping all over the place but bottom line is you got to understand where your child is and what age they’re at if they’re going through a grow spurt you want to actually tone it down so one of one of the guys that works for me I was watching his son play tennis he’s ranked top 10 in the state of Michigan 14 years old but he just had a grow spurt so you can’t push him heavy during that time because what you’re going to do is you’re going to wear on that joint you’re going to wear on those ligaments you’re going to create laxi you create a bigger problem it’s not like these kids can just gain weight because you want them to gain weight right there’s a natural development of the child natural metabolisms I did it with my son I mean I’m like we got to put weight on you you got to put weight he’s playing freshman as he’s playing varsity as a freshman at 135 pounds playing against Brother Rice guys that are 240 right right right I mean they would like push him halfway with the stick and he’s blown over I’m like we got to put weight on you so I’ve been guilty of it a little bit understand that you you got to let the process happen right because you’re talking about major injuries you’re talking about a kid who’s playing baseball that was baseball career was over in eighth grade because he I just started asking him and then I got really mad it’s like what’s your coach do throw the curveball throw the curve ball throw you know I was pitching more pitches than we wanted we talk about pitch count now there is some proactive prevention yeah and that and that kind of backs up into it and just kind of popped him my head when you know this was what we were going to talk about because we’re we have noticed in I don’t know if it’s that we notice injuries more than in the past my guess is there are more injuries than have been in the past is this kind of like the crop that has been planted from Youth Sports this and now we’re kind of harvesting that crop of the because you talk about the intensity right my son does Jiu-Jitsu and Jiu-Jitsu tournaments and it is hunger games for children like that’s I and my wife went to one and she’s like I’m not going back to that and just and I think about it too when I’m I’m kind of in the arena but you know being around sports for a living and stuff like that I can kind of compartmentalize that and move past it she can’t but the intensity that is in there the weight that’s on youth sports today it’s insane number one but number two is this kind of the the the time and space we’re in with injuries in professional sports is this becoming like a byproduct of the usth sports system or or am I crazy with that you’re you’re almost right on right so what are we doing right there’s so and I always go back to the dollar when we talk about the NFL we got follow the dollar right the dollar is there right your your kid has to be like I was hockey I was BigTime hockey right we we took all care of all youth hockey everybody was the next Steve Eisman they came to me because I was a doctor for for that system you know but the realism realistic expectations sometimes is pushed harder from the parents than it is from the child oh no doubt right and now it’s like well if I don’t put him in if I don’t give him training if I don’t do this it’s like you got to file the natural there’s natural ability and then there’s you know work hard ability right so you you just have to have someone smart enough that has a vested interest in what’s good for the child like this young boy who’s playing he just had a gross spurt you can’t keep pushing him heavy he probably lost the tournament just cuz he fatigued because of his ligaments in his muscle they don’t have that development ready and and you know there is an advantage to these kids that look at LeBron LeBron matured he was 25 at the age of 18 right right so there’s some natural stuff going on we had a kid playing football that I met at a graduation party this past weekend he’s just naturally huge yeah he’s 65 I’m guessing probably 250 so he’s naturally huge but all those other you know they’re fighting to to get ahead so what are we saying you have to be aware of one the gross spurt you have to be aware of natural physiology and Adolescent kids adolescent athletes are a whole different breed women are especially you see a lot of gymnastics you see a lot of figure skaters you see a lot of tennis players they’re pushing their sport at a much younger age they’re peing at a much earlier age you know are they doing damage to the body 100% how to balance that you now have a trainer you now have a coach you now have all these things for any guys they’re in the top 100 you got to get to the top 100 now you need to get to the top there’s a lot of competition on these poor kids I’m pushing too hard I don’t know if I made my point though no no because like for real though it it it literally just clicked inside my head when we had this discussion like cuz now the guys that have come up and that are in the pros they were kind of a byproduct of this Youth Sports Mo cuz Youth Sports sto being like for fun for fun around what around the year 2000ish maybe earlier but maybe a little when I was a kid we did everything yeah right but that’s my but that’s my point though and I never really thought about it before but I’m sure it has some fingerprints on the injury structure of professional sports now what you do it’s like the commitment like you know again he’s an elite athlete but he’s they’re homeschooling him he’s playing 247 he’s putting 50 to 70 hours a week of training and that’s what you need to get to the next level I understand that right you need to do it but we need to do it with balance we need to do it with an education of cross training allowing him to settle down and allow his body to physically develop you know he may he may lose the edge that those six months but the next six months he should be able to excel again so it it’s it’s a tough call and I’m there I’m inside I’m outside but after watching this tennis thing I mean the intensity of the families the questions that were coming up to ask what you know what happened there was some drama going on there’s em emotional mental States going on I mean tennis is a tough sport it’s not the Wii Sport it’s the IE sport you know and it’s it’s intense so um Ward Sports Chat thread um dward tette says yes natural abilities a key as well as genetics but when you get those uh the work ethic is what’s needed that to be great no no doubt about that but we’re just kind of talking about how it is man I mean it’s Youth Sports is Hunger Games now flannel and you’ll see this you know you’re you’re newly married I’m sure you guys will get the you guys will get the family going I’m just be prepared I guess what Doc and I are saying is be prepared no that’s don’t underestimate it i’ uh I’ve heard it I’ve heard it before and I’m sure I’ll hear it again I’m sure experience it and uh Dr Pierce speaking of Youth Sports you mentioned that curveballs like kids throwing them at too young of an age can ruin a kid’s like pitching career before it even gets started are there any offspeed pitches that are more arm safe when you’re young or should they just be throwing fast balls up until high school they should be it’s the mechanics it’s the understanding of the mechanics you’re got have kids that are naturally and he told me he goes I was practicing my curveball you know I watched the YouTube video and I was doing it but he wasn’t doing it correctly he knew about the hand thing you know to flip your hand but he didn’t realize what was going on at his shoulder and his elbow is there safe yeah a fast ball good mechanics with a good coach and it’s proper posture like I’m looking around these kids I mean these are Elite tennis kids I would say 20% 25% had proper posture and what do proper posture lead to when you’re when you’re changing mechanics I can’t remember the tennis player that’s just so R it for with the crazy guy you guys know who I’m talking about who like throws fits on the court John ma back in the day back in the day ma anyhow it’s just that that roll folder you know their shoulders are rolled forward their neck is down that just lends to an injury coming because your change your mechanics is natural you know the old school military thing put the book on your head and walk there was a reason for that because it it your body’s being developed and it’s be it’s best for the mechanics to be in that natural position your spine being in a natural position your neck your shoulders but a lot of these kids will roll shoulder and the neck down that’s probably because they’re Tex and and they they’re gaming but going be a problem uh talk talk with Dr Jeff Pierce are injury Insider from the Michigan Sport and Spine Center you got question you got time for one more doc because I I and this is wild and I do this to you all the time and I put you on the spot about something you don’t know uh a lot of people have been talking about the Stanley Cup finals right now and Florida Panthers and Leon dry side with the shot on Alexander barov he has a broken jaw and he’s been ruled out right like that’s he’s been ruled out of the rest of the Stanley dayto day for the St rest of Stanley Cup finals you don’t know the the technicalities of it but I’m going to ask you anyway because you’re here okay like a broken jaw that seems to me like something a hockey player would just cage up the face and roll with right is that is that possible am I expecting too much it’s a badge of honor a broken jaw but yeah I mean it’s it depends on how many breaks there are if it was displaced if he’s getting wired shut I I saw the hit wasn’t that aggressive of a hit but he you know he went down as a big guy going out it depends on how like is it multiple fractures can they plate it yeah they knowing hockey players he’s probably in surgery right now getting wired or plated if it’s a true fracture with multiple and he’ll probably wear a cage and and come back cuz he’s inur now they play again in two days yeah I mean it’s they’ll be back there there’s no look why Dr John Finley was one of the greatest hockey player doctors ever I think he’s even he’s in the Hall of Fame he’s in enough Hall of Fame for most stitches every Redwing of yesterday has a story of of Finley going back into the locker room stitching them up and they were back within 5 to 10 minutes after being stitched up I mean it I was it’s a joke the badge of honor but this is a badge of honor for these guys to to play with with with injuries and you don’t hear about them you know this one was obvious but like I’ve said multiple times when Darren’s here how many injuries were reported the day after they were done right and that’s just that’s hockey they’re just cut different man they’re cut different I’m going to play and they’re you know these guys are in the brink of something that you know have never you know to raise the Stanley Cup is the ultimate I had the fortunate chance of being you know with the cup a couple times here yeah so it’s it was it’s it’s I’d be surprised if he doesn’t if it’s multiple fractures and a lot of wiring if we can pull that news I I’ll I’ll give more of an update of what I think but all we’ll check I would not bet I would not bet against it he’s he’s out for the season yeah all right we’ll check back in with that doc appreciate your time as always my friend I was gon talk about Binga oh porzingis yeah yeah what I I think it was on your show or on brayan’s show that I I predicted he’s going to be back he healthy and he’s going to be a a mean streak in him and and do very well and I think that’s and should have took the 50 to one for him to be the uh MVP Series MVP of the series I don’t know Drew holidays Drew holidays coming on strong jayen Brown that that’ll be an interesting discussion to have for another day when the finals actually does conclude if Boston wins who will be Finals MVP not Tatum not at this rate no not Tatum definitely not t a role player now good call in the porzingis thing though you you did you drilled that one all right doc as always appreciate the time talk again next Tuesday there he is Dr Jeff Pierce everybody Michigan Sports and Spine Center he is our injury in cider and flannel tell them about Swiss insurance absolutely now more than ever it is critical for you to have your insurance reviewed Swiss insurance will make sure your carrier is not slipping in extra fees call Market Swiss insurance today 313 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it’s kicking the ball between the uprights but you never know what the NFL pressure but shout out to him you know making a few big kicks the type of kicks that you rarely even see in the NFL and he might get himself an NFL gig out of it he’s definitely going to get Ravens are lined up to for a visit with him as well so hey that’s uh way to way to go Jake Bates way to go verice says Spenny just hates on Tatum I do but it’s not it’s not a warranted I’ll right in that canoe Spenny yeah yeah he’s a [ __ ] that’s why I love Spencer raer I do how would you soft like here’s here’s the thing and and I I know we weren’t necessarily going to turn it into this but imagine being Jason Tatum and in your first two games and granted he is leading the team in rebounds and assists fine but he’s shooting 12 of 38 from the floor imagine looking watching this series and being LeBron James and thinking damn in 2017 I averaged a 30o triple double on excellent efficiency and my team lost four to one it’s funny how it works mhm it’s funny how it works uh wward Sports Chat thread uh jump into there get your thoughts out there um broer uh getting up to 83 in high school is impressive when I pitch if you threw in the 90s in high school you were different now we’ve got seventh and eighth graders sniffing 90 miles hour it is it’s a different time man there’s no it’s not going to end well I remember we were getting uh getting blown out in the second game of districts when I was a freshman and I got brought up to Varsity cuz I was a lefty just to fill the bench and uh they they put me out there and the guy on the mound from country day was throwing like 95 I I feel that same same exact situation Country Day Tennessee big Southpaw comes in throwing 93 bombs 15ks I think he know hit us I’m almost posi I was like I just went up there closed my eyes and tried to make contact and did filed one off filed one hey I did swipe a bag from a Vandy catcher though in that game yeah so all right uh Ward Sports Chat throw DNC ENT the biggest reaction um you know obviously there’s a lot of Youth Sports chatter in the chat but uh the biggest reaction DNC n quote brilin show yeah right don’t let Ryan hear that hey I’m noty I don’t I can’t speak to what goes on on the afternoon all I know is you know they get new microphones for their show get the studio fumigated after us pores are in here hey yesterday we were at Oakland Hills it was rainy and cold for the two shows previous and then as soon as they come on the sun is out we get or I was going to say they got [ __ ] trays of food dude I saw pissed they brought us lunch they gave us pigs in the blanket uh juice water everything you could ask for I’m actually like it being a part of Ian now I like I like hey it’s a privilege life yeah man it’s a life of privilege no doubt I like this me did they get new microphones yeah did they really no they did cuz they did the last the last time I have to ask cuz the last time we were at Oakland Hills they did cuz they remember they quote don’t like the microphones that we had to use well I didn’t see the microphones but everything else absolutely true I don’t think they got I don’t think they do that anymore but yeah I was there yeah oh they don’t do that anymore anymore I don’t think they even bring the other ones anymore but uh yeah shout out I just wonder you know me and I love pigs in a they were so good me and stick were on until 1 Spring Rolls we had spring rolls too me and stick were on until 1:00 that’s lunchtime right spny was there too that’s lunch time they brought out M&M’s everything could ask for yeah I’m dead serious specific color ones whatever’s in’s contract green ones only all oh man B yeah B I like that one yeah that’s nice uh wward Sports Chat thread it hips appreciate the insight doc go cats um Mike G I like Dr Pierce he’s a good dude man I bet good on you for finding the only uh sport youth sports related question and all that so what do you mean let’s just keep it pushing okay the chat was on fire for that seg but I’ll just say that yes they were yeah shout out Al Lissa yeah I’m Tex she’s texting me about it right now I Bean literally everything in the chat is she really yeah yeah literally everything in the chat was about her she’s like somebody told me to check out the chat oh my God it was outrageous yeah it’s my girl yep good job de lady James in Birmingham good job finding the only youth question in there there’s uh literally the only one wait there there’s multiple ones oh okay spy sound like you’re about to say something I don’t know yeah yeah let’s just I’m just going to say there’s a lot of talent around here yeah yeah I second that good draft class great draft class literally looking for anything to read right now so I’ll just read the next one I see uh Dante 151 this is why you should block Brandon cats I did twice already oh there’s a third one in there oh [ __ ] know it all that guy three for three he has a response for 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okay I second that yeah um let I I’ll let anybody speak I know you know I mean I mean we rocking pretty good we can open the phones if you want to I’m just saying he’s probably already C like three times so I just didn’t open the last cuz you didn’t say so so yeah Matt call okay if he calls put him on I’m curious I’ll talk with anybody and I’ll listen to their case and then I’ll step into reality and make the and give them my case and then we can move moving on from there but yeah man if he wants to go ahead if you guys want to go ahead um I’m not reading those um once our chat gets on that yes they get on that it’s like me sitting up on the desk every day it’s tough It’s an everyday battle man yeah no it absolutely is um Greg rounds no offense the other Big D host but happened to Lindsay Hunter is he still hiding after his team lost in the Super Bowl we hav heard Lindsay is a part of 1270 yeah 1270 now hip hop or what is it hip-hop sports radio rap sports radio sports rap radio sports rap radio yeah I was I tuned in to his show the other day yeah so it’s I don’t know what everybody he’s not with us Google Lindsey Hunter and you’ll see in the news like I’m sorry I don’t but he hasn’t been around since that day and that’s why which is how it works the man yep always a friend of the show yeah man like that’s still my guy very cool guy I miss arguing 49ers with him man it was fun I was chirping him in his he went uh live on Instagram and I was chirping him while he was in his show about the 49ers no no doubt so that’s that’s what any other any other questions you know kind of feel free um Allen W Kate is a bum how could you not average 50 points per game with Killian Hayes and Evan forier I I mean I don’t know yeah I almost forgot Killian Hayes had an appearance last year you had lineups on the on the floor where Killian Hayes and assar Thomson and Jaylen Duren were out there at the same time oh not gonna not going to be great shooting not going to be great shooting um DNC ENT get rod on the line right now no we don’t need Super Ro please not don’t summon him either cuz he will he will yeah that guy North Neil and flannel agree on the Cade topic yeah hey we we agree on a lot of things we do all right Terrell Lamar I wish Neil was here when stick was on here talking crazy oh man it was bad he was playing devil advate no he’s just oh about Cade the Cade stuff well he’s a just he sticks more Ivy team Ivy than he is team Cade a lot more but he was just playing Devil’s Advocate about Javi he doesn’t actually believe that stuff okay yeah good he literally said I’m just going to play devil’s advocate here he did he did yeah that’s not the that’s not the hill The Devil’s Advocate on but you know shout out stick it was a fun show yes it was stick the man yeah shout out for his wedding even Allan W Neil you promised you promised us some talk about henden hooker on Friday did you did I I don’t remember that wasn’t here you I don’t believe so I don’t I don’t remember maybe I maybe you maybe I did I don’t I don’t remember in particular we’ll get there at some point maybe about the news of that he’s not doing so hot in I mean I think I kind of like yeah it where yeah and it’s been out there a little bit in the media so the people know it’s not going well yeah for henden hooker he may or may not be the number two going into the season and that poses the question that’s what they will find out in the preseason yeah Y where are they at with the backup quarterback yep those reps are going to be really important for them so yeah so that’s that’s what it is um but all right lion stuff all right flannel yep let’s get into it because I do want to get to the Stanley Cup and and we will discuss it coming up in just a little bit the the realistic expect and I always get nervous about having this discussion the realistic expectations for Aiden Hutchinson because I know there are some in the camp that think he’s going to get 30 sacks next year I’m kidding about that yeah clearly no what’s the what I think you and I can find to Common Ground what what do you expect like what what would you say all right Aiden took the does is there another step for Aiden Hutchinson to take yes well yeah of course there’s another step I think I think there’s levels to this of what he can be I think next season at worst he is going to be at the very end of the top tier of defensive ends right now I have him as the eighth best behind the usuals and Josh Allen and khil back I expect Aiden Hutchinson to at the very least enter that that path Pantheon to where he’s fighting for an all pro spot but I’ll tell you what with the more help I honestly it wouldn’t shock me at all if he has a season in which his sack totals remind me of what denil Hunter and Trey Hendrickson’s were last year but he’s better against the run and he’s more of a force in the back field because nobody thinks about denal Hunter and Trey Hendrickson as some of the top of the top of the defensive ends in the NFL we I mean we like them we think that they’re great but with Aiden I expect him to if he has that sort of monster sack season to be a guy who’s actually fighting for a defensive player of the year because you see all that he brings to the table he’s not a liability against the Run he’s in the back field almost all the time you see almost every game he’s has at least a pressure or two that forces a bad throw so I think there is a Next Step there’s a Next Step where he can become like a tiar better but given his help I could I could definitely see an all pro season I don’t think that’s outside the realm of possibilities uh wward Sports Chat thread get your thoughts into there jump in there and let us know and Andrew Jones says uh Hendrickson got 17 got 17 sacks thanks to reader I think Hutch can do something very very similar yeah he can I I say 14 is my floor especially with as much as he gets in the back field 14 regular season sacks I feel like it’s very achievable for him and so flannel I’m going to circle back and I’m going to get killed for this even though I’m right so it’s safe to say you’re expecting more yeah but I don’t but hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on this is what my problem has always been I don’t like this premise that his season last season given that he was in year two given that he had double digit sacks and given that he was a force for a lot of the playoffs was anything other than Splendid that’s where it’s like what are we doing because yeah I expect so you expect more I I do but it’s not like he needs to take that much of a leap to enter the elite of the elites maybe like one tier maybe he runs and do a couple of more sacks that he didn’t get last year and then all of the sudden he’s an all pro it he has a lot better you need a little more then just I mean a little bit I say it I’m a [ __ ] criminal you say it and you’re like well you know it’s part of the natural progression and this this goes back to exact that’s the that’s the that’s the company I hold Aiden Hutchinson in the the Nick Bose like the game Wreckers that’s the company I hold him in my thing though is I would argue that he was a game wer last year that’s where we we may butt heads a little bit certainly in some games but even in some of the games where he didn’t have a sack it’s not like he was hurting the defense he didn’t have a sack in the Tampa Bay game where they allowed six points he didn’t have a sack in the Raider game where the team as a whole had a bunch and they allowed seven offensive points to me it’s more about how the defense progresses if they’re a top say 10 to 15 defense and Aiden Hutchinson sack numbers don’t improve that much I still think it’s a successful season he’s still going to make a pro bowl because of that but I also think that he has the the sky the limit yes he could be defensive player of the year this year I’m not calling for it I’m not calling for it so you don’t need to see more I a little bit just you do need to see more I think it will all come with as a byproduct of having more help I think some of those pressur so he needs more help every everybody needs help he had terrible help last year both I mean he he he he got it in the secondary and terrible help here today I’m compromised I’m going 4 hours no but yeah I expect his numbers to improve both with him and with the byproduct of having more health and that’s what I think that’s what me and kg are saying we expect him to be at that 14 14 and a half as a base yeah because if he has those 110 pressures you got to think a little bit better than that with a DJ reader in the Middle with guys that could play man on- man on the outside he can get at least three more and then I want I would love that 17 number I don’t know why that’s the number I like but that’s the number I’m I’m I’m looking at like that’s the expectations I have for Hut so you so you want a little more yeah I expect him to be a a pro bowler I expect him to be an all pro I expect him to be that guy that’s where I’ve been the whole time and I get murdered on social media for it Sam flannel says it like yeah he’s right I need a little more I say it I’m a dick yeah that’s it’s the Michigan fan no no you know what it is and then I get Danny G it’s your tone Neil no [ __ ] that man like it’s my tone what am I saying yeah yeah I’ve been hey you know I’ve been on this train like that’s that’s what I that’s what I think he’s capable of this is the Michigan thing in a microcosm I expect more than you did okay so here’s what it is and I’ve tried to say this many many times and it always turns into an argument but I’m going to stay as calm as can possibly be oh we going to test that oh I’m calm okay and not calm in the way that Adam Sandler was in Anger Management when he before he got tased I’m actually calm it’s this idea that whenever you bring up Aiden Hutchinson it’s always in the tone of likeone no wait wait wait it’s always it’s always given the premise that he needs more it’s never looking back at his season and being like oh man he had a really great year he was the best defensive player on the team he really showed out in the Rams game it’s all about he is the best defensive player on the team that’s a non-negotiable I don’t think anybody disagrees that he was the best defensive player but but but Neil you’re such a Slappy for everybody else I mean I get it I’m and R and Pen they’re established they’re established they’re established and I think Aiden could get to that level where he’s thought of in the same regard this year universally but when it comes to like jir Gibbs Monty Kirby Joseph I mean Brian Branch all of them it’s just effusive praise all of the time never I need more that’s kind of my thing you’re kind of a huge Slappy for everyone except for Aiden Hutchinson because I asked for a little more you just asked for a little more what’s different but you never different but you look at his last season as disappointing but What’s Understood don’t need to be said Sam that’s kind of the situation with Hutch we nobody has said on this program or any other one that Hutch had a bad year last year nobody said that is it am I out of my mind to say that pan is and will be the best player on this football team that that that literally literally has a direct chartered flight to the Hall of Fame after years why that’s why we talk about hutch in this elk because he can get there because he’s that good because he’s the best player on the defense so we want a little bit more from him exactly if what’s matter with you yeah Sparty Michigan hater if this was you know uh uh Julie and oara that were like oh we need 17 sacks out of him that’s out of bounds but this is your one you know your first round pick your second and overall pick the guy who’s supposed to be the face the guy who is the best player in your defense and and when I listen to him talk you know it doesn’t matter what I think mhm you know who thinks he can be on that level too he does he do him exactly him exactly he thinks that he’s honestly as confident of a defensive player as I’ve seen during my time as a lions fan I mean he thinks he’s all that and he is for the record love Hut he’s a good record but he can reach another level yes and that’s you know what maybe we broke a little bread today it’s all well and good the one thing that I will say to sort of maybe question a little bit you can’t demand 17 sacks or an unsuccessful season that just doesn’t happen and nobody say that no right because here’s the deal flannel you will not run on this defense you didn’t run on this defense last year and they got better against the run you will not run it is and Spenny this kind of dovetails into your question that you had on here mhm you will not run on this defense therefore they have to sack the quarterback yeah they have to on Third and long they have to be among the league leaders in it they have to be a lead at it because and I heard like the other network talking about this um I believe the expectation like from a pure analytics like a yardage perspective is that the Lions will be around the 20th ranked defense based on yardage given up now immediately because I think about this a little more granularly than most would immediately I start to think well yeah God’s gifted quarterback Josh Allen’s on the schedule God’s gift to quarterback that everybody loves Trevor Lawrence is on the schedule we’ll be lucky just to keep them in the park okay with what they do offensively okay uh Jordan love the next coming of Aaron roders he’s on the schedule twice they already crowned in the Packers so you know what I’m saying like they could be in the high teens in like yards per game and stuff like that again as you get to a Super Bowl expectation my expectations change I don’t give a [ __ ] about the style points when it’s third and 12 after you ran for minus one yard and minus one yard get home yeah that’s it that’s all and the whole yard and if you don’t then I need interceptions sure and or like batted down passes I mean I I I know what you’re saying I know what you’re saying a stop of any kind a five yard completion on Third and 12 but yeah interceptions would obviously the best be the best and sacks which is why I don’t think yards per game is really a metric that I even give a damn about if I if I were to give a damn about any stat when it comes to this defense I would probably say something more along the lines of points allowed per Drive something like that flannel stat yeah I’ll fit my narrative my PFF St hold on points allowed for Drive is important because it it’s it like points allowed per game it doesn’t take into account the amount of drives another team has that’s fair that’s fa just a fan says if you want to be considered Elite you have to play Elite I think he played in an elite level last year Aiden Hudson did he was he was a top six Edge rusher in the NFL yeah I eight I want I want him to be in the top three yes so want more yes H interesting good luck on social media um brand is I hope uh Dave pornoy doesn’t come across that he’s too worried about Caitlyn Clark yeah that’s that’s all he’s been talking Brandon’s dog Hutch better not take a month off this season in I right FL he didn’t have a month off that’s always been my point he didn’t have a month off and a couple of those games the defense actually played very well which is what’s the most important thing I think at Absolute Baseline if Hutch doesn’t have double digit sacks we’re at Red Alert but as long as he has that and the defense is great we’re not going to be angry we’re not going to have our a you know locked in on Hutch but I I think he’s going to have better than like low double digits though I do um catspot NE and Spencer takes are trash football’s a team game Holmes has done nothing to help Hutchinson reer reader can’t rush the quarterback well if he’s Elite if he’s top three if he’s perennial All Pro game wrecker then at some point it’s on him to do it right and DJ reer was in the upper aelon of defensive tackles when it comes to pressuring the quarterback so you know catch just doesn’t know what he’s talking about that’s a d That’s the fourth one in a row well that’s a dumb take Neil yeah bad take James Houston don’t care h w was who while was injured last year no doubt is a sack of game guy in his career I don’t think he’s going to maintain that but like I said whether you think it or not it’s what’s happened give me a one full year of Marcus Davenport and James Houston combined that is a guy who can beat one-on ones on the other side we didn’t have that last year now we got two of them hopefully we get a full year out of them combined and we got Matthew Betts look out right the answer Cameron wi 2.0 wouldn’t that be something the answer I’m waiting for you to hate on Matt that’s you know what so funny hate on hate no no no no he’s a role player could he help Hutch no I think he’s you know what Matthew Betts is and I said this about I said this about Antoine green yesterday and and SP you were there they’re fodder for the slappies that’s basically what they are they’re fod for like the ridiculous slappies for for like the Mike dumas’s on on Twitter guys like that idiots like that mik green is is coming in he’s a big wide receiver oh he’s got a big season he’s going to be able to give jarro G that down the field threat expect 600 yards from antoan Green 12 sack Matthew bets loading that’s going to be Mike D’s next weeek no my my thing with Matthew Betts is I I I say it factiously to get after easy and to get flannel going a little bit stuff like that but I fully expect if he is given the same amount of snaps that Charles Harris was last year he will outproducing and you know what and it’s not even in some total it’s not even in some total it’s does he influence winning a game like you can laugh at Tom Kennedy last year the the year before like you can laugh on it but he had a direct influence winning a road game that’s fine he did and even you’ve admitted that yes and like that’s that’s it when you’re a Super Bowl team spanny that’s all that matters like Bruce Irvin coming out of the retirement home just the Barry Derek just was better than Charles Harris in 13 games and influenced winning in a in a road game yeah that’s it car on I’ve always said this and this isn’t to knock the Lions or anything I think if Derek Carr stays in the game the Saints win who knocked him out yeah absolutely jamus Miss some easy throws yeah speaking of which what jamus revenge tour for the Browns is he going to be the starter after massage boy Watson can’t do it stop itop jamus give me the jamus Winston experience backto back 450 yard four touchdown two interception games and fantasy teams across the world pick him up to see him throw for 109 with the very next game then you bench him and then the next game he’s 440 and five 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Matthew Betts and Antoine green will be more irrelevant than not that’s what happens with those guys that’s what happens with with like free agents from Canada or seventh round draft picks even for Brad Holmes he misses from time to time when you have the hit rate that he does with draft picks and hell at this point even with some free agents those are the ones that I tend to focus on and not the ones that at best will negligibly help your team at best Sam are you a brad Holmes guy now be because I because I’m not super high green or yes I’m a brad Holmes guy ah I have to trust everything that he does Matthew Betts you know what he’s going to be in the CFL and the NFL Hall of Fame damn right Antoine green Warren Moon like Warren Warren Moon Matthew bets they’re going to be in the same room um we got off track there you want to tell them about Randy Wise absolutely Randy W Randy Wise golf tour you know what and yesterday celebrity golf tour Randy Wise Automotive team and yesterday you 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they said that’s what yeah that’s what my research told me okay because the numbers I’m looking at says that they’re 10 I wonder if that’s taking the the cap bump into account though it might be so I don’t know we’ll we’ll see but the moral of story is they’re upper tier in terms of of of cap space now they’ll have to choose a direction are you going to use some of that you’re going to lock up cider and Raymond and that’s got to be step one yeah so or you know Matthew Krueger like should we not build around cider and Raymond are they not you know are they not good enough you’ll be doomed for five years if you 40 goals for Raymond next year calling it calling it I’m with you spanny oo 40 for the Razer 90 points yep yeah I kind of hope not cuz now you’re talking double digit Mill you know you know what I’m saying like get it done now okay get it done now yep so so then that’s eight for eight so I mean to be fair though that’s kind of well they they have him I think for next year don’t they or no I think so no he’s not active eight for eight this year 100 you run to the table and do that eight for eight absolutely yeah i’ I’d be jumping at that I think it’d be it’s going to be .2 five probably F fine eight for 8.25 yep he earned um yeah you’re okay with the new with the 88 million uh 26.8 F fifth so there you there you have it so shout out Korean Jesus that is where they sit um boy just a friendly reminder Justin abator 1.05 million cap hit next dog get your money and uh Kyler Yamamoto 533 Grand so what was your favorite Kyler Yamamoto with the wings memory they even touch down in Detroit um so yeah it’s like melo’s career with the Hawks yeah right yeah and just remember Justin abator um This Will Go On Till where was it at this will go on till 2026 Spartan dog get your money D Canen alland everybody yep there there you have that yep you you just love to see it you’ll love to see it oh down to 20 in the Stanley Cup Final you just hate to see it you mean uh GM that took a team to the Stanley Cup Final oh that was gifted the two best players I’m kidding I’m kidding the two best players nobody can inherit players quite like Ken Holland I’ve said it before so I’m just I’m just it is a skill yeah so there it is um sick argument was looking at the same spot I was um but yeah th those are the cap numbers just CMC cover athlete from edden by the way good yeah oh love that I thought it was going be burrow they kept teasing like it was Burrow okay they leaked that it was Burrow good glad good Madden cover Jinx uh back in there yeah they just paid him more too so Madden Curse in in full effect maybe step baffy NHL needs to get back to a real Network Bal does them no favors um I like TNT TNT does it Turner is just good yeah they are and the the streaming too like they got the peacock streaming yeah angle mhm better end on like app was a little tricky at first but it’s gotten better over the years yep absolutely so all right everybody that’ll do it we’ll be 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Sam on two shows today ? When does he become a mlb general manager?
Spenny , short hair , clean shave , lost weight . He’s got to be doing interviews for a job . Sad when a top show host has to work two jobs to survive .
Its BEYOND ridiculous to get worked up about Hooker not looking great during in mini camp & OTA's! It's ridiculous to get worked up about ANY of the 1st year players and where they are on the "depth chart".
Hooker is shaking off the rust and getting used to his repaired knee. There is ZERO chance he won't beat out Sudds for QB2.