Mike Westhoff’s career in the NFL spanned thirty-two seasons with Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts, Miami Dolphins, New York Jets, and New Orleans Saints. He is considered to be the foremost expert on special teams in NFL.
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said of Coach Westhoff, “We called Mike Westhoff the mad scientist. He changed the game.”
Coach Westhoff was an innovator who was constantly figuring out new ways to develop players’ individual skills and the schemes he put them in. All of it started though with him having to figure it out.
He joins us in part two of a two-part series to discuss players like Taysom Hill, finding advantages, musts for game planning, the role of assistant head coach, the future of the game, and more.
-Taysom Hill – from never dressing to getting a game ball
-Teaching – talk to them in a manner in which you see them becoming
-These students need to be “A” students and you better figure out a way to make it happen
-A job worth having is a job worth doing well
-Don’t be afraid to change – Bear Bryant
-Charting punt snap locations
-Punt Block vs. the Bears
-2 things to look at when designing a game plan
-Deion Sanders
-Where are they very weak? Where are they very strong?
-Evolution as the assistant head coach
-Rex Ryan
-Four down territory
-Understanding officiating and clock management
-Dealing with fewer variables with which you can win
-The future of the game – keeping special teams in the game and exciting
Related:
Part 1 with Mike Westhoff
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Alex Mirabal
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[Music] this is part two of our discussion with Mike westoff retired NFL coach who recently wrote a book en titled figure it out and really that’s the theme throughout his career with everything he talks about here too is that as a football coach you just have to figure it out you have to find ways that it’s going to work for you in your situation and it’s something he did over the course of his career so today he’s going to start off talking about his time with the New Orleans Saints and specifically tesm Hill here’s part two I know one of the guys you worked with there and and you wrote about in your book is certainly a special football player I mean when you look at him the guy can do everything throw the ball run the ball catch the ball and was an outstanding special teams player in tesm hell what got you so excited about that guy and and how he was going to be able to really help on your units and and become an integral part of it if I could put on a on the and on an Instagram or on Facebook or on one of those social media things the text that I received from Tam Hill last night there’s nobody in coaching that wouldn’t exactly understand why we do this what he said to me last night it was incredible I mean this is really a tremendous young man uh and it came about totally by accident you know he was quarterback at bringham Young I had gotten injured some had been banged up and was not drafted he was picked up late signed by Green Bay during the year he had never dressed the Saints picked him up but he didn’t dress and and so I’m walking through the locker room one day and I see this guy and I’d only been there two weeks he’s coming out of the shower wrapped in the tow who who’s this guy he looks like Hercules so I find us Pon Hill’s a quarterback well I had had some success with quarterbacks in special teams you know I had started with Jim Jensen who was the great you know multi-purpose guy with the Miami Dolphins and then and then I had you know Brad Smith and Eric Smith up at the Jets and then I even had Tim t-o which is a little different Tim didn’t quite fit into that category but but he did some things that were okay so I found out so I would go to see sea Payton he said ah we like this guy’s an athlete he’s never dressed but you know we think he can maybe da d d da so I went to the strength coach and I found out some things there and then I brought him in and I said okay I’ve had some luck have you ever done any of this he said no I said well I’m GNA give you a a short course I said and maybe we’ll look in practice if if if it would work now maybe you have a chance maybe you can get a chance to play I said or you can stand the sideline and sweats and watch the game he said well let me try I’d like to try it I knew after one practice that this was something special because not only at six you know 6’3 or so 6’2 and a half 230 pounds he could run into four fours he could fly he’s tough as hell and so I said let’s take a look oh my goodness gracious this was a football player and it didn’t take long next thing you know he dresses and he just did tremendous you know we’re playing as it’s in the book we’re playing Carolina we win the toss we decided to per so we kick off now their coach Tom M he who was now the the Giants a good friend of mine and Tom says in the book you know I look out there and I see number seven who number seven is a quarterback who’s he and he said what’s Mike doing he said they kick off he runs down the field he runs right through my two best blockers and tackles us on the 15 yard line I went oh no here we go well that’s who he was that’s at the end of the game they had a punt and he rushes a punter the guy can’t punt the ball he tries to punt he punts it straight up in the air we catch it we score an easy touchdown and we win the game after the game he gets the game ball he goes from never having run a play in a National Football League never dressing a game to get in a game ball and everybody’s going crazy that’s what football’s about and that’s who that young man is he was so special and if any coach could read what he sent to me they would all know why we do this job coach one of the big things that you take pride in is teaching uh coaching is teaching uh had a a coach on from Miami Hurricanes the other day offensive line coach Alex mirabo and I mean that came through loud and clear and really that’s something you take pride in your book right being able to teach those individuals and to have the attention of what is your classroom that meeting room really being able to engage those guys in that meeting and keep them engaged and all of them have other things they’re there for right they’ve been brought in to be whatever might be a quarterback running back receiver linebacker Etc so you got to grab them right away like a good teacher would get them engaged in what what they’re doing so for for you how did you go about that what teaching methods did you use to really get these guys engaged in all you were doing to have the excellent special teams that you did good question the way you ask it is pretty pretty good too um I have a my degree I’m my master’s degree in h psychology it’s educational not clinical but um and I’m a big believer in teaching and you know why we actually do learn little philosophy that I like is a psych ologist named Heim Jano himim Jano was a was a Israeli and he dealt mostly with children and he believed that when you deal with children if you can teach them and talk to them in a manner to which you see them becoming their chances of becoming that are tremendously enhanced so your third grader comes home and he had a tough time in math and you look at his math test and you let him know that he’s kind of a dummy well you’re right because he’ll probably end up being a dummy but you let him know that that’s not that’s not at his level and you find a way to keep bringing him along to it the key thing is find a way when I would walk in and look at that room of 40 faces all looking at me now bet so many are a certain number are already made it a certain number have a really good chance there’s a certain number that have no chance but then there’s that group that are right on the edge how are they going to do it and you have to find a way to make them learn you know one of the most a storied professors at many universities can be a top Professor on campus and in his class and he might fail 40% in our business you fail 40% you’re going home tomorrow these students have to become a students and you better figure out a way to make it happen sometimes it takes more than others sometimes you may have to draw it you have to help them you have to bring him in for extra credit like Ben ca he when he was with me he would have a little extra quarter class every Wednesday and Thursday night sometimes even on Friday and the guys would come in and they they’d sit in there with him and he’d go over film with them a lot of times what he did is he would level off what I had thrown what I had thrown very complex problems at them he would help them kind of digest it and and and smooth it out and uh and it really worked it worked for us and so it’s just a matter of of figuring out how to do it if you listen to what some of the guys said in the book Zack Thomas Larry ISO of how you know it didn’t matter what role they had whether it was a small role like Zack Thomas or it was a real large role on special teams for a Larry ISO a job worth having is a job worth doing well and the one thing you as a coach have to always be prepared for and I learned this very accidentally from Bear Bryant I you I won’t describe the whole thing I’m G make you buy the book to to get that but very accidentally I I’m with him and tuscalo and were actually walking in the campus and he gets tired and ask if he’s get he’s getting old at this time you know he he did live too too much longer and he was just such a gentleman but anyway we sat down on a curb to take a rest it was a hot summer July and he’s sitting there and he wiping his brow he said ‘you know coach I’m going to give you two piece of advice he said don’t be afraid to change he said ‘ there’s some things I should have changed on earlier than I did he said ‘d don’t be afraid to change the one thing we as coaches sometimes we love what we’re doing so much that that’s the only thing we’re looking at and we’re not looking at who’s doing it and how it’s being done we’re only looking at what it is that’s not the way to do it don’t be afraid to change I use that as a mantra for my entire career I would change in a minute I would if I saw something I liked someone else was doing better I’d change it it might just be a wrinkle it might be one guy but don’t be afraid to do that have that flexibility in every single thing that you do that you’re not afraid to change that was something very important for me well coach the the other thing that really came through throughout the book was really being able to find the advantage and really looking at the details of what the opponent is doing or what you need to do and in some specific examples there’s there’s plenty of them in the book but being able to for example draw a double team on a on a player who maybe isn’t even your best player by moving things around or uh there was a really good example of how you used to chart the snaps and where that snap would go on the the punter’s body where it would take him and you noticed on one guy that if the center was blocking right that was going to take him to the right and you were able then to devise a scheme that with that extra half step you’re going to take advantage of it and get to the ball so just the thoughts on going about as a special teams coach finding those advantages maybe things that other people aren’t even thinking about how did you get to that fact in the late 1980s that many people were charting punt snaps I did it I had a drawing you can see the guy that I used it was pretty simple the way we did it but it came out very very specific and you could really see it and then I designed a punt block off it that was against Chicago Bears Mike diar wrote Into His one of the books in a book that that was the that loss that day which which gave away their HomeField advantage in the playoffs was the beginning of the downturn of his Chicago Bear teams and with that started with a punt block where we knew that if the if the center had to block to his right the ball always pushed over outside the punter’s body always so we designed to block at the last second we over shifted he had to block that way and then we blocked it got the ball for an easy score and that led to another type of play that we ran but again it’s it’s a lot of it’s just a matter of Designing and drawing things that you’re getting advantage of that you’re gonna you’re not afraid you can figure it out a lot of times I just I used to want to when you look when you design something and you look at it you should look for two things one what’s a weakness where are they what are they doing it’s maybe not very sound you know do they have a weakness is this guy you know is this guy not moving back on a punt the way he should be that’s who I’m going to attack so you’re going to attack a guy like that you know because you just know that he can’t do this and you’re going to put you know your best guy against maybe their worst but the one that I thought that I even liked more was to attack their best guys I wanted their best football player after the game to hate to play me to have never to not have not made a tackle we would double team them we I used to have guys come to me and say I remember a guy from New England told me one time he was he was going to another team he said I’m the happiest guy ever because I don’t have to play you he told me this on a field he said I haven’t made a tackle against you in five years I said and you’re never going to because I I I I’ll double team you and not block that guy over there I won’t even block him because I don’t think he can beat us you you can beat us you know I remember Deion Sanders is as became a good friend of mine and I I think he’s was an incredible player and he’s doing a nice job now as a coach told him I said you know he was he was kidding me and he said you coach you you never gave me anything I said if you had to play against me every week your whole career I said you’d be working as a greeter at Walmart I’m not giving you anything you Reggie roby’s gonna hit it nine miles high right on the sideline you’re not getting an inch and u i I have a game ball that I got after we played them one year that they they made for me it has Deion Sanders drawn on it and had Total return yards during the game eight eight that’s it and we we beat them so you know I love beating their best guy I don’t care how if I have to if I have to use an extra guy okay so what because this guy over here he can’t make the tackle he he can’t he can’t block Leon watching been in the open field forget it this guy I’m not gonna let him I’m gonna beat him up we’re gonna make it just miserable he’s never going to want to play us so to me two things that I look for one was where are they very weak and one where are they very strong I’m going to take advantage of one and try to eliminate the other that to me when you do a game plan that’s where you should start coach amongst all the roles you have taken on in your career and you know I think a lot of these weren’t even formalized in in specific positions that that you would even hear of at the time but uh in a lot of ways you know you talk about doing ranging camps and uh I mean just all the things you would do and finding a facility all those things that you certainly took on the role of a DFO director of football operations but also you were one of the first assistant head coaches as well and and when you look at just that role and how that’s changed over time how have you seen that evolve as the assistant head coach it depends on the head coach of course like with I mean I was not obviously in New Orleans with Shawn pton I mean he had one he didn’t need it you know because he he really loves to run the whole game but sometimes if you’re in that role and how can you help the head coach with situations clock management you know possibly challenges where are you in that can you help a little bit do you understand that you know sometimes it would be you know uh you know we need we got to get a time out here just little things to help them that and sometimes I think I did it well and sometimes I I think I could have done it better you know I I could have done it better some some coach some guys needed it more Don did not I I I trust me I didn’t do anything with him but like Herman Herman needed some help sometimes I helped them well sometimes I think I wish I had done a better job Eric manini I I liked helping him he was good at it and he he wanted you know he wanted to talk about a situation with Rex Rex kind of let us all do our own thing but we all kind of worked together and with Rex it wasn’t that I was telling him what to do but we were discussing it and and it worked what Rex I I did a thing with Rex we had an official in practice guy named Bob Miller actually was a uh he’s a golf pro uh you know kind of a country club type golf pro in Long Island and he was one of our high school our officials and and we so Bob was very bright man so I I asked him about um challenges he said let me try something let me study so he broke down all the NFL officials and the what they did when their call was being challenged and he became really good at it so he would actually go to all our games sit in the Press Box and during those situations if a challenge situation came up Bob would recommend to to to to Rex Ryan as to what we should do should we challenge this should we know way this guy and at the end of it during that period of time when we did that we had the highest success percentage in a National Football League we were first you want to win some games maybe do the little things try try doing some of the little things well see if that helps you you know we we didn’t have Tom Brady you know we had Mark Sanchez and I and I like Mark was Mark Tom Brady he was not but he was a very manageable quarterback for the type of offense we had we led the Le in rushing we had a good offensive line we could run a controlled passing game and we could control the clock so the next thing you know we’re in two AFC championship games two they they they have they haven’t even seen playoff game since now I think they’re a little bit better and they they may be headed back in that direction I’m going to root for them I think they’re headed in that I hope that they they have not been but that’s what we did well and all of a sudden you know at the top management level we’re going to change we’re gonna change our now we’re gonna become the New England Patriots with Tom Brady it was stupid it didn’t work that’s that you say what you want that’s the reality and so sometimes if you’re in that role you have to know what is needed and at the times I think I did it very well and there were times when I I wish I had done it better but uh that’s kind of how it works we came with Rex and I we developed this uh four down territory thing that I studied I got a kind of a computer wiiz to help me and we studied for a fiveyear period what took place from the uh from the plus 50 how the Howell we work it from the 50 to the 40 and from the 40 to the 20 okay you know from the 40 to 30 those two areas on fourth down what happened and we broke these teams down New York Jets and Giants okay Pittsburgh Cleveland Buffalo New England Philadelphia Washington Baltimore all that Corridor Everybody Plays outside everybody has weather what took place on fourth down and what we found out nothing good nothing nothing really good if a if you had to punt if it wasn’t inside the 10 it didn’t get a plus a field goal where was it from did you make it or not going forward on fourth down what was the success and what we found out is that in these areas nothing worked nobody did a great job so what we came up with is we came up with four down territory so we knew that when we entered that territory we could let Brian shimer our coordinator know Brian it’s your you do whatever you want you’ve got four Downs not three four you don’t have to worry about going for it on fourth down we’re not going to get in a situation where we’re gonna say okay Brian go for it on fourth down no no no no on first down so he knows he only has to get two and a half yards now if on fourth down it became unadvanced what to do you know should we kick it should we punt it or maybe throw it back to Rex and say Rex our best shots let’s go for it so we did it together and we had tremendous success doing that tremendous it really worked for us but again you know we figured out a philosophy that works there’s a couple things that I think I I saw as advantages to what you were doing that a lot of people don’t do one was and you mentioned it here really taking advantage you know you guys at the pro level have officials coming to practice you you know those guys didn’t just leave you were talking them about what they saw and understanding the game especially from a rural standpoint I know you became highly involved in in a lot of the rules in the league uh and and then the other one you brought up too is clock management and I’m seeing it more and more I think some teams are getting really good at that and understanding that we have a lead that they can’t overcome we just need to be really smart and bleed the clock and yeah it’s going to it’s going to anger the fans maybe a little bit but I think those two areas just are not used enough I think a lot of coaches couldn’t even tell you who’s responsible for certain calls and they you know I mean they they’ll get on the wrong side of officials right away start chirping at the wrong guy who doesn’t even have that call uh I think both of those things are areas where coaches can gain an advantage because most people aren’t looking at them just would like to get your thoughts on that it’s just a matter of understanding what you have to get done I mean go back to the Super Bowl a few years ago when Atlanta had the big lead on on New England they had the big lead at half and then look look how they they managed the second half of that game I’m sure as Atlanta Falcon fan or you know even Dan Quinn I wish he had to do it over you don’t have to you don’t have to tell the coordinator what play to call but you sure do as a head coach have to be able to tell him to run the ball or control his passing because all of a sudden you can’t be you can’t be running seven step drops type things and only have taken you know a handful of seconds off the clock that’s great you got a big lead if they had managed it properly they’d have won the Super Bowl it’s that’s just the way it is and and so I think you have to understand that because a lot of times coordinators sometimes you know we I always tease about it some of the offensive coordinators you know they’d rather complete a pass than go to heaven and that’s just who they are you know they don’t they’re clock they don’t even know where the hell it is you know they’re just coming out they’re calling and running throwing okay but you’re a head coach you better straighten that out you got to know how to do this and how to manage it and so everybody gets involved and the head coach has to be the guy and sometimes he’s got an assistant can help him maybe a little bit depends on how it works but that’s up to him but understand how you have to get through this and what you have to do I mean Buffalo at this past year in a great playoff game with a great comeback with a handful of seconds at the end of the game when they kick off you have to put the ball in play you can’t kick a Touchback where no time comes off the clock and they start at the 25 yard line some teams depending on the kicker could have hit it real real high dropped it down around the number you don’t have to go to the goal line to the sideline by the number around the eight or 10 yard line and then run down and cover it they’ll keep them in there make the clock run that extra handful of seconds where they have gone off would have put Buffalo to the championship game and it would not let Kansas City do it they would have won the game those are the kind of things you have to know you have to be all on the same page and you have to operate but understand that that’s that’s a big part of the game and as a special teams coach have to know those situations how to handle them what to do you know when to you know to take that that you know we that there was a different words we used to squeeze that when you want to punt come out take take as much time as possible off being able to punt it or sometimes go out let’s get a kick guys let’s go you’ve got to know that we’ve got to get things going and so you know being able to use that it it’s so so important and uh and as as football uh as it becomes what’s happening in football today there are less less variables this is particular at the college level and in the NFL for sure less variables in which you can win you know you don’t have as many special teams plays you don’t it’s it’s fast break football you know it’s a little bit like plugging in the old you know the old game where the guys just moved all around on an electric board moved that’s kind of what it is today you know everybody loves you know you win 45 to 42 you don’t have the years I was with the Jets all the things that we were able to do special teams WISE field position both ways leading the league having the most punt blocks one of those types of things having the most scores best field that helped us get in the playoffs this is the key for us winning so many games no it was not but it helped us get in the playoffs without it we would have never gotten in but it helped us and the next thing you know we’re pretty good football teams you we’re not great but pretty good and we’re headed in the right direction so that clock management game management understanding it practicing those situations absolutely imperative coach you mentioned it the future of the game it’s the one of the last chapters in your book and you look at how the game has changed and and I would hate to see the kickoff and kick return leave the game I know where the ball’s placed now that’s changed quite a bit I’ve seen some of these spring leagues try Alternative forms of doing things there but I’ve always loved the play and as I learned more and more and more about it it’s just a beautiful play there’s so many things going on with technique and timing and it’s certainly different from maybe the first schemes I learned probably as a player where it was like I mean kickoff and kick return were very at that time in my opinion very archaic it was Gladiators just running blindly down the field you know I can remember one of the versions We had was basically two flying wedges arms weren’t interlocked or anything but it was very close to something that’s highly legal in football but you know I’ve I’ve seen it it has changed there there’s no double teams anymore but still the opportunity to be able to coach that play up and and uh have I think one of the most exciting plays in football yet we see less and less and less of it so thoughts on that just as you see the game the future of the game you know a little bit you know certainly coaches go read the book and get it all but coach if you could share some of that with us okay a couple things I’ll start with the kickoff and this is the one they probably will not change because at the end of the day they just don’t want as many plays they just don’t the the the statistics are still you know higher than what they want as far as injuries go because of the collisions even though the collisions have been dramatically reduced because now you don’t give the kick team a running Head Start he has to line up a yard from the ball you they’re all lined up balance five five you can’t you know do all the crazy stuff that I used to do you know when I ran guys all in motion and did all that it’s a friendly ball that they use to kick it you know it’s buffed up a little bit it’s a what they do is the you know when they go before the game the the offense and defense brings in the balls that they’re going to use the official checks them for pounds per square inch you know and then that’s what they use during the game you know you’ve got the you know the the the the New York Jet ball and you’ve got the Miami Dolphin ball okay then they go in and they take I think it’s six I believe five or six something like that balls that the official takes right out of the box he puts his mark on it initials or whatever he does uh checks it for put puts in the proper air pressure and then each team has a representative there like a manager and and they take the ball and they they they they buff it they put a piece of AST Turf down on a table and they buff the ball like you’d Shine Your Shoes so it’s not illegal it’s very legal but it’s a friendly ball now the kickers make it pretty clear to the officials during the game that they would like to use as many times possible the same ball to try to keep you know using that same ball and they use it over and over it’s a friendly ball it’s friendly now so you look at you know people have asked why you know that that like you know Tucker the great kicker at Baltimore can make the long field goal well first of all with his technique he’s wide from the ball he generates incredible leg speed to the ball now a lot of guys couldn’t do that but he’s so accurate in his approach that he’s very consistent all right you’ve got you question for you you know when’s the last time you saw a bad snap you don’t see bad snaps they’re perfect because you can’t line anybody up on the center so long Snappers today look like high school fiz Ed teachers no disrespect they’re they’re nice gu but that’s what they are you don’t have to be great big giant offensive lineman everybody’s learned how to hold today so they know to put that back leg up they catch the ball they bring it back it takes the inside elbow puts it right into the inside part of the knee helps you put the ball right down on the spot so you pretty much have a perfect snap a perfect hold and a very friendly ball okay you can’t there’s certain things you cannot do on the rush you can’t push anymore you know they talked I got it one of official talked to me the other day about not letting the alignment line up with their legs interlocked so they’re trying to make it a little bit more difficult because right now they believe it’s too easy all right if you don’t have a kicker that can make about 90% of his kicks you better find another guy because you’re dealing with the perfect snap the perfect hold the friendly ball you and the rush is is varied so if you can have if you have a decent get off time which would be a little bit under 1.3 seconds from snap to kick you know you’re at 128 something like that you should make a heck of a lot of kicks that’s the reality and if you don’t then you better find another guy so you know the these things have have changed so okay what I want to do on a kickoff because the rules are the way they are they’re not going to change moving guys around they’re not going to let you run a wedge you’re not going to be able to trap and double team certain ways so what they’ve done is they’ve eliminated a lot of the Collision they’ve eliminated a lot of it so what I want to do is have a a third ball in the game a ball that’s only used to kickoff and it’s pretty much taken right out of the box it will not constrict and explode the way the ball does now all right so instead of that kickoff coming down minus8 it’ll come down plus three and we’ll have a play now the play will not have a lot of the ramifications that plays used to have but will have a play and the good coaches will figure out how to make that play effective to me it’s that simple I want I I w’t I I won’t overemphasize the Collision part of it I’ll keep it minimal but I want to create a play frankly I don’t believe they’ll do it I wrote about it I talked about it but I don’t think it’ll happen all right now the punt punt the guy talked to me about the punt he say it’s the most penalized play in football and it’s the most injury Riddle play I think it’s I think it’s BS myself in a lot of ways because number one the play is three times longer than any other play so you’re going to get more penalties you know the penalty I can straighten the whole thing out I actually wrote all about how to help with penalties how to teach it the right way all those types of things I think that’s a good answer there I would I would make a rule that on a punt that why the the end man on the line the Gunner or flyer whatever you want to call him that he has to line up within one yard of the number either side wherever he wants one yard of the number he cannot go out and line up on the sideline a lot of penalties occur because of that’s what’s happening that’s going on and I would take that out of it plus if you move move them in that’s going to help the double that’ll help put the return back in the game again I want to I want to keep the Play Alive also if you’re punting to the side and the ball’s on the hash and you’re punting into that short side and you’ve got that defense lined up by the number then that rusher can be a factor so that’ll make that a little bit tougher again you’re just making a small adjustment but it makes the play a more exciting and viable play you because some of the punts have been eliminated you know I as some asked a reporter the other day was doing a thing with me and I said’ okay in the last couple years when’s the last time you saw a team punt the ball punt it out of their own End Zone you got to think you have to think it just doesn’t happen today because the fool position the way the game’s being played nobody cares about that play they want to to see 4542 that’s the great that’s the great game though all I want to do is make these plays viable bring them back a little bit and keep it safe keep it safe but make it exciting and keep this part of the game back alive now I was fortunate where I think we took it to a point that had never been before unfortunately it’ll never go again that’s why I wrote the book well coach I really appreciate you taking the time I certainly appreciate you writing that book it’s it’s something I think refer back to often as we talk about special teams on this podcast so again thank you thank you for the time and gracious with your time here and helping us out and helping us think about different things in this game well you did a good job it fun talking with you you you do a nice job you’re very you understand it that’s for sure and you bring up some good points that we could address so hopefully people will enjoy it I’m very proud of the book I think they’ll they’ll they’ll read something it’s not just all football as you well know there’s there’s a lot of medicine in that book there’s a lot of things like that there’s a lot of just general things I I think anyone will read it they’ll be able to say you know these are principles that if I apply in my life or my my business or whatever not that they just got them for me this is a kind of a culmination of things I think they’ll really enjoy the book and and for you know you in this day and age I think you you can spend $20 and they’ll deliver it to your door you know you go get $20 of gas you’re lucky to get down the street and so I think it’s a a really well a really worthy investment and the guys that helped me do it I couldn’t be more proud or more thankful that we kind of did this together with the players that did it so so thank you for having me on thanks again for listening to the coaching coordinator podcast the link to coach West off’s book can be found in the show notes as well as links to related content follow all we’re doing at coach and coordinator. and follow us all season long for our inseason episodes follow me on Twitter at coach Kowski [Music]
