Who are the WILD CARD clubs that could wreak HAVOC in the finals race – SEN

David King and Gerard Whateley are here with all of the analysis from Round 12, only on SEN!

0:00 How long does Melbourne chase the mirage?
7:50 This is a different Fremantle
14:24 Suns continue to rise
22:20 Hawthorn is the wild card
26:40 The state of the Crows
29:18 Mykelti Lefau’s injury
30:55 Time to change Rising Star criteria?
36:40 Holding the ball adjustments
39:50 Evaluating Carlton
44:14 Seedings

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David King welcome good a g we can’t make sense of all that seven games gave us more than nine normally does I was good on it was terrific weekend it’s uh there’s so much to talk I don’t know where to start really but um the king’s Gambit so our Mighty Ste has been retired to stud they sent caps for us to remember him who is it Kings Gambit he’s gone y he’s gone to stud he’s gone to stud that’s not a bad way to go never quite was a horse that we wanted him to be on the track placing in a Golden Slipper we don’t mind the new moveie that but is that mine is it yeah that’s for you golf cap it’s the first thing you given me in 10 years it’s it’s I got it for free so I just wanted to to clear that how many passing it on that doesn’t count the king’s gamut for Victoria Place Made for More search police careers frightening how tght you are frightening my God what’s your opening proposition well how long do you chase the Mirage like I’m looking at the melv football club and I’m saying what what what’s happened here they were so good at what they were for five years and they had this this contested possession game that no one could compete with the best rack in the competition wherever it went he’d beat you the ball would hit the deck he got Oliver going 100 miles now if it wasn’t him it was vany who’s who’s the toughest head in the competition if it wasn’t him it was Petra with a bit of Brilliance whether it was forward or or in the Midfield knocked the ball down in their defense and it was Steven May and lever and all these guys and you just couldn’t beat them if it was in a contest you were gone you’d win one in every three but they wanted to be something else because it’s R it runs the ground in in in in finals we haven’t quite had the the scoring uh flow that we wanted we haven’t had this let’s change everything to make that forward Line work well they’ve given up what their absolute strength on the competition was and their Aura is gone they’re no longer the brutal uh beasts that they were it has dissipated to a point now where you’ve got hard Guild Edge players trying to play the beautiful game and it’s failing them and and they’ve lost their invincibility now we we ticked off the West Coast one was a mulligan yep Eagles on their day great performance hard the travel and win we made excuses for them but right now the second Mulligan is a cry for help this is this is not working you things are failing how how can we address these things I I look at that game yesterday and you can go you can go wherever you want with it right and we’ll get to the freal side of it later because that they deserve credit for putting a club into a flat spin like yes so that that’s that’s a great asset in the in the fourth half of the ground so to to to score you have to win a contest in your forward half it’s very rare you go uncontested all the way down the ground just doesn’t happen right or it happens once in every blue moon they were minus 35 for winning contest in their four half so the Freo defensive end versus the Melbourne forward end minus 35 now you’re not you’re not necessarily going to win that stat but if it’s close to break even as you can get is is advantageous minus 35 is their worst result for I’ve gone back 5 years it’s and I can’t go back any further run out of time yep yep but for 5 years that’s their worst result yep they are they were uncompetitive Center forward that that that’s not them now they’ve never been they’re not a gifted talent wise in their four half and they’ve tried to find is the answer Petty is the answer Brown is the answer this is and they’ve always had that problem that’s just been one problem now they’ve spread that problem to now we got to move the ball we got to shift it off the line so they’ve lost their total contest game the game doesn’t live where they needed to live they’ve allowed the game to get out of the trenches where they were strong and now they’re playing even else’s game well the reason they won a Premiership and the reason they were a top four team for so long is because you had to play M they dragged you into the battle and when just when you thought you’re out they drag you back in again they’re chasing this Mirage of being the beautiful ball movement team and it ain’t them so I I don’t know where to from here because the logic is everywhere that the Freeman were able to just chip the ball around down back there was no plan to stop them moving that ball lateral and getting the other side and going so Melvin couldn’t stop that so once you engage in the beautiful game you’ve got to be able to take things off the opposition if you can’t do that and you allow the game out of the trenches who’s going to win the game back for them who who’s going to get it done so all their problem s come home to roost and we talked about this a month ago saying okay how long can you go with this plan you say no it’s not working we have to go back to where we’re strong and who we are and and it’s going to rely on their on their top liners again I mean G gone Oliver Peta and vony are it and all roads lead to next Monday and and they’re going to get a Collingwood that they’re down on Talent um but I’m telling you now we got father Joe jacobe on standby to read the last rides to mawood next Monday okay because if they don’t get this one done against the banged up Collingwood then then then this is it the Premiership run will be over this is how big the next couple of weeks are for Melbourne because they’re not they’re not playing to to the core of who they are they they’ve there’s been an identity theft at Melbourne you know the their their DNA is just in your face hard let’s dance and that wins your finals I know it it cost them last year and you can make you can go you can go too far with your review of getting everything right sometimes you got to you got to understand You’re vulnerable somewhere and even though you even though cing would wanton a flag last year they were still vulnerable in in areas yep they try and work on them but don’t give up everything you good at to to to try and correct that so that that for me um is the biggest question footy right now and Simon Goodwin has to have a power hour with the key leaders the coaching staff and say how long do we want to chase this Mirage so couple of the commonalities so not oneof weirdness is twice in 3 weeks they’re conceding 100 points so 132 contested marks uncontested marks yesterday conceded 96 against West Coast and just the Staggering lack of inside 50s only 36 in the west coast game and 37 here and then yeah is there were so many numbers for you you drown in those numbers out of yesterday every layer but the numbers ultimately all the numbers have a starting point and the starting points at contest so you can you can spend all day putting fingers in in holes to try and stop the the flow of blood but but you can’t until you can win contest so they’ve lost that getting that back you know is that a is that a f minute fix I don’t know the simple answer is I don’t know but you’ve got to recognize that this is the problem that you’ve changed you’ve gone too far with change and you’ve become uncontested players when you’re not that you’re not that sort of play I’m happy to engage in the uncontested game against Clayton Oliver and uh and and Jack Von but drop a ball in between you a meter from you and them and you’re not winning it I don’t care who you are the history tells us that so how would you rather play M you’d rather play them in the uncontested game so don’t do what the opposition wants um anyway it’s it’s a deeper discussion but all those numbers the root cause of all those numbers is the fact they couldn’t win contest we’ve never said that so it it’s more than a it’s more than a challenge this this is this is in my opinion if they don’t make change it’s over the Premiership run is over without change the Kings gambled for Victoria Police looking for a career that gives you more search police careers Victoria Police Made for More and that makes freem manle the big issue is out of Last Friday night’s game was the question did they lock some possibilities in the 25o flurry they they had a chance to win that game late and didn’t of all the possibilities yesterday putting 22 goals past Melbourne so this is this was a different free manle yeah so that they engaged they engaged in freem manal’s game now I’m going to give freem manal massive credit because everything everything that they did again is the flip side of what we’re talking about with Mel it started at contest so we’ve always talked about their backline being to win the ball back and being I think um I think Justin had to trust them more play with more freedom and if the ball comes back it’s p just say hey we’ got we’ve got some good players buying the ball they’ll win it back for us and Ryan and Pierce and and those the the flanker types we’ll be fine so I want them to play with real aggression this has been my whole discussion play with freedom and if they get through every now and then and you can see 11 goals instead of seven does it really matter because you’ll kick four or five more going the other way you’ve got to seriously stack team but I look forward of the ball and this is where the growth in in Tracy and and Amos has been significant this year and everyone keeps telling me oh they’re in for they’re in for Logan McDonald they’re in for all these other what they’ve got’s pretty good it just I’d be trusting those guys I wouldn’t be making too much change there at the end of the year but let’s talk about today um and I had a look so you’ve got to you’ve you’ve got to take things off free manal if you play them right so if you if you want to let them if they take less than um 55 uh marks in the back half of the field there three losses and one win and and the one win was against the bang Upson kilder who who who really didn’t compete um so so melbour didn’t take that off them they allowed them easy outs and easy ball movement down the other end of the ground out the other side so that that’s you’ve got to tick that off as that’s that’s freem manal’s tactic that’s the way they want to play ball controlled in hand so not in the not in the Frantic game the Frantic gamees around clearance so the their clearance numbers I put them up last night so plus 24 clearances are the best they’ve done for at least 10 years and it’s probably closer to 15 years but at least 10 years scores from clearance plus 48 points is their best return since round 20 2013 2013 there’s been a lot of games between 2013 and now for the freem metal footy Club you’re probably 250 games so it’s a it’s an outlier performance that’ll have us making you know grandiose statements but it’s such an outlier it probably does need an aster because there’s two parties in this you know it’s the free the freem manal Brilliance and and what did they play against so love what they’ve done they get a real fill up they get a they get a great um a great reward um for their efforts and nothing like a scoreboard reward to do that what what was the score in the end it was 22 goals 229 22 go that that’s fantastic so they’ve had a complete fill up um and it it shows you that if you allow fre to play their game they can do this to you now that’s a huge tick we haven’t really said that about freem manal offensively before but I’m more at the contest and and I I’m Different to to Kane Kane Kane doesn’t believe in the two rcks I think Dary the big bodied rman against Max gor’s perfect um and then Jackson comes in and does does the rest so the scoring I’m I’m fascinated by the scoring gaps between when one Ruckman is in The Ruck versus when the other is in The Ruck so that when you’ve got the the Twin Twin Peaks if you like so Dary Dary versus gone was responsible for four goals too and Jackson versus gor was responsible for one goal so so you’ve you’ve got to say the absolute Ruckman the structural Ruckman in the big body Dary had more of a say in their clearance dominance than what than what Jackson did so I know Jackson’s a better product than OB he didn’t get as much opportunity it was 42 contest versus 31 so it’s not a massive discrepancy it’s not like 60 to 20 um so I I think they endorsed the two Ruckman yesterday so there’s little bits of growth for freem manal that they’ll be able to take forward with them but in the end the fill up of 22 goals gives the coach so much scope to to preach to this group yes so that that’s what I if you smooth off the outlier aspect to it and you go can they harness so they they’ve got some validation now on yes still control the ball down but if they play with a little bit more Adventure and dare they they they’ve got some pretty good evidence in front of them now that they are capable yeah and that it could really serve them well and that’s all I’ve been saying freal fans they want to be outraged because they think you having going with their club I’m not having a going at all I think they can play so much more aggressive football the the uncontested mark game to me it’s almost a measure of when you’ve lost momentum to go into the uncontested mark game they they don’t have they haven’t lost momentum in most of their games to then drop into that that mode and it’s a safe mode and maybe it maybe that mode we we’re still all adjusting to this the new rule changes maybe that mode is the way to go rather than risk the the the holding the ball opportunities or the the absolute Panic to get rid of the ball the The Thirst for Speed now to not get nabbed um by the new new amendments so it’s very difficult to assume but I would love to see them just take the strict as off and find out are they are they so gifted in the middle and so creative with this handball game that they can get to 20 goals more often than not went to the game in Ellis Springs yesterday Foo was awesome D’s didn’t show up great setting good size ground and in great Nick very little atmosphere compared to a stadium that is from Charlie Melbourne have a wasted have wasted a Premiership list it will be hard to go out in straight sets when you don’t even make the finals that’s from norlane Scott and Perth I’m a Dockers member for the last 28 years I agree with you kingy they look so good when they play the attacking style of FY and you win more when you attack because best form of defense is attack and despondent D James thank God for Kung Fu Panda he resorted to Kung Fu Panda as that game was unfolding yesterday K Fu Panda okay um the Twilight Game was just a great Watch Gold Coast and essendon I thought we might put the open question over the Gold Coast Sun so they’re seven and five they’re unbeaten on the Gold Coast and in Darwin they have home games to come against Collingwood Port Adelaide Brisbane and Melbourne and then there are Way games as silda freem manle North Melbourne the Giants West Coast endon and Richmond they probably need to pinch two on the road maybe three just to ensure against an upset at home and they’d see finals for the first time time what might they be is our open question on the Suns K well I want know I track the the profiles the call for so you got you’ve got to see where they’ve come from to see where they are like you last year’s profile is the reason why they had to make change in the end you could they couldn’t roll on with the same sorts of numbers the same sorts of evidence under steuart Jew unfortunately I and I really enjoyed his time up there and I think that the club got a lot of growth and and become a football club with st it there now we’re seeing it go to the next level we’re seeing the the full buying stuff so last year you know with and without the footy they were they were ranked 13th so that bottom bottom half a dozen teams of the comp and and they didn’t really have a a set method of beating teams there’s no way that you know one way that if the game entered this phase that that you were in trouble it it wasn’t that type of um that type of build so I look at the last 6 weeks of what they’ve become so right now th those 13th and 13th numbers are now Sixth and third and and and and 10th so ninth sorry at the post clearance game post clearance contest game so when the balls in general play being able to win the ball back or continue your possession Chain by winning contest on the there’s a lot of method in that there’s a lot of coaching in that how do you get your out number where does it come from so that that takes a while to in bed but it’s happened quick because with Elite level Talent they can grasp footy knowledge in a shorter space of time so if you’re working with with brumes it’ll take a long time but if you’re working with the the star Factor players it can happen quite quick that’s why I keep saying when it turns it’ll turn big and really quick so we compared it last night to when Lee Matthews went to Brisbane in 1999 they had this these younger guys like black and power were 19 Nigel Lapin and Chris Johnson AER and the Scot were all 22 but they they were highend footy intelligence so they already had the vosses and and those guys the aliser lynches were there and the leitches were there so they already had those guys and these younger guys were able to come in and pick up things really quick and really charged so they win 16 games in Le’s first year make a prelim then they go backwards slightly the next year out at the semi-final stage and then the next year they win a flag so in in a space of 60 games they’re winning a flag this is what’s going to happen here so you when you see the shift in the way they play like they won the game yesterday on ball movement it the ball was just tracking up and down the ground and and and you could see esam were happy to engage in that sort of game so last week we talked about esam winning the ball back at halfback and rudley being that dominant presence there well they got beaten in the the halfback bounce game right which is which is an indicator for Premiership success the teams that score efficiently from half back that from the center circle to the top of the opposition forward 50 is the defensive Midfield it’s called but I just called half back so yesterday it was was eight scores to four in favor of the Suns now that’s a big margin and to only concede four shows that you’re you’re good enough once you’ve lost that ball from a son’s point of view to to hold up MC Andrew is a Phenom what he’s doing excuse me at his age is ridiculous and he’s only going to get better because he’s he’s such a um he’s like David Reese Jones for the older Market out there he’s so so casual yet perfect like he’s in the right spot at the right time he’s never flustered with the ball he makes some errors you got to wear a couple of game but he his his ability to be in the right spot and to be able to defend and diffuse any problem coming in not too big for him so he’s been a revelation so what that allows in terms of the players around I can’t wait for pal to come back um because he’s a serious player as an intercept halfback do they get Dan real at the end of the year do they get someone else do they get two I mean they got they got significant draft SEL they got picks 4 10 20 and 24 to trade with because of the way they’ve swapped picks over the last couple of years to get points um so there’s a real opportunity there to turn to convert that into known products that maybe the club they’re at are not a graders but throw them in here and they don’t have to be a graders they just have to be good b-grade players so that’s where I think daman’s taking this team really quickly I thought significant aspect so in Darwin Midfield has its way with jalong career best Knights for everyone they Wilt in the face of the Crips challenge in Melbourne you go okay so what’s it going to be against a Midfield that that’s going really well and game on the line twice ESS and draw level twice Midfield gets it done R Anderson yeah tick tick well there’s there’s moments in games where you just have to have it and we we talk about you know it’s usually a center bouns clearance when a game sharpens and gets to that Crescendo of [ __ ] it’s on the line here who’s going to stand up and you need it to be your best players because if it’s not ra well it doesn’t feel the same but when he goes in there rips the ball Ducks his head under a tackle and takes one step out pops the hand ball you go wow yeah the whole team lift you can sort of feel the oh jeez that’s good you know oh we’re we’re on here we’re and the forwards light up there you can see their eyes widen and away they go you know and and that that to me there there’s more it’s more than just a a clearance it’s it’s an attitude it’s a it’s an investment in we have to have this you hit the ball near me like we’ve talked about pendlebury and Doos in that last Center bounce of the Grand Final hey you don’t want to be part of this get in here this is going to be so that’s a sort of that’s what we’re talking about it’s not necessarily about the one clearance it’s game on the line if they wi it were in trouble Ed it to me so I I loved it okay so they go forward kick the goal they a goal up again ball goes back in the middle esam win it bubbles around blah blah blah they they they level it up again you go well here we go again and then it’s Anderson with a bit of Brilliance and yet that’s that’s the ace and King in there that’s their best two separating the game so there’s a lot to love about about what they’re doing um and their profile is is shifting before our eyes and and I understand that you know the Suns don’t have a massive fan base in melwin but this is this is going to be the perfect time to be great new team coming in you get all sorts of tradable Assets in terms of picks and those sort of things which is what happened with the Brian Lake and the Josh Gibson and the David hail Acquisitions at Hawthorne way back when when the draft was compromised this is going to be a great time to be great anything on essendon out of that lose any of mys no I felt the same way yeah that sometimes the price of doing business as you lose a game but they did some good business and I don’t know how much you believe about how crook they were during the week but let’s just give it some credibility and say okay they were banged up and had a had a a disjointed week and then travel on top and then a good side on the road that that are undefeated at home now yep so I don’t think they lose any admirers and they’ve taken such great strides this year it’s hard to be critical of tinant what category should we put Hawthorne in oh wherever you want talk about them they’re a bit of a wild they’re wild card in every way so I thought we’d just give them the Wild Card category right they’re in such they’re so good to watch as a starting point and then you talk about a team who’s has the capacity to leave a bit of trauma in their wake they’re leaving trauma in their way through these handful of games they’re taking good scalps uh and I I’m happy to have Adelaide in the pressure index there and we’ll deal with them in a minute but just what Hawthorne has revealed in themselves frustrating start to the season they’re grasping to pick up where they left off and they don’t and then to their credit they balance up and they’re exactly the team that they um would have hoped to grow into right now it’s it’s funny you know CU every time I watch a Hawthorne game I just see numbers I just see numbers of Hawthorne players in the screen and and you you can pause it yourself at home with the camera angle on and just close your eyes and go yep now pausing right on your KO box and and when it pauses it is always an outnumber in favor of Hawthorne I still think they got they got a lot of work to do it’s it’s going to sound negative and I don’t mean it to be but in the areas that matter there’s still significant scope for improvement their ball movement’s not as good as what we think it is because when it when it works it looks amazing but there’s a lot of there’s a lot that’s clunky and and then it’s not working so there’s massive scope for growth there um without the footage there’s still there’s still there’s still some problems down back and I know their fullbacks was injured early in the season so they’ve had to Cobble uh together a back six more often than not I love the fact that Josh wle has been able to play almost Center half back or Center half back the last few weeks but I just think against the better teams you’re going to need a bigger body than that and someone you know bit more bulletproof than that so that I think to take the next big step they’re going to still need some Talent some tall talent Lewis is a big absence up forward I understand that but I I still think he’s coaching his socks off Sam at the moment with his with his ability to get the out number but that’s their major advantage not not a lot else and I’m not I’m not trying to be negative I’m just sort of saying this is what it is and it’s and it’s you can tell there’s a Buy in there from the players they love him so what they were able to do defensively was a thing that really that really pleased me in the middle of the ground not not if the ball gets down back there trouble still um but they were able to turn the game around so crows trying to bring the ball out their back half couldn’t get it out first half they got they had 40 chances for one point they just couldn’t move it and when they gave it back it was a record high um for the Hawks the cost on T was 46 points from those intercepts between the arcs adel’s Adelaide normally don’t give you that they normally give you about half of that so that that’s a that’s a big win if you can as you say leave a club in trauma by taking away their game totally and making them look second R soon as you take away their game there is no plan B don’t don’t don’t give me plan B’s I don’t want to hear about plan B’s right there is no plan B if you beat plan a that’s it um if Plan B was any good it would be plan a Jared so that that’s that’s a great effort from Hawthorne to be able to play that way and be so good between the arcs till more isn’t he in some form um yeah he’s look he’s a he’s a top liner Jared really and he’s playing he’s he’s played in RS that are low disposal high damage and it’s hard to be a high damage player regularly um but more responsibility you know more more opportunity has seen him become a better player further up the field um those players I love those players I like guys that can be best on ground with 12 touches and if you get to if you can get them to 20 touches terrific if you can find a way to get them to 25 well we’re seeing Coy picket now it’s not always working but Coy Piet going in for Center bounces but nominally playing as a half forward they’re the sort of damag players that I love so the more opportunity you can give to Dylan Mo to get the ball in his hands the better they will be as a product he’s having a great year they’ve just been passed by Hawthorne they’re 14th they’ve got four wins to their name they get overs adelan they get overs yeah yeah I’m can understand that that opinion um I just think if you take your magic out of your team this is what you get the Magic Man covers over so many things Jared Isaac Rankin is is a phenomenal talent and he creates scores so when you rip that out for a couple of weeks and Taylor Walker has a back spasm or a back issue again and you take him out who they been their most productive forward for the last five years and then you have a a fitness test for Jordan Dawson before the he’s clearly not right I don’t care what level of not right he is he’s nowhere near 100% so there’s your Ace king queen two of them one of them not there one of them subbed out and one of them clearly impacted then then this is what you get now I understand people come at me hard cuz they think I protect Matthew Nicks I don’t protect him at all this this is you take Heeney Warner and and and give me an impacted golden out there and I guarantee you you’ll get this sort of performance from Sydney so Adela are not immune to to these sorts of problems um I thought they play with a a real safety they put the safety switch on on the weekend was it was dull it’s not them they they need to play with a bit of Freedom Run and Gun and handball and create and get through a corridor and they for whatever reason just didn’t and and I think he found it hard to explain why they didn’t and in our game you you you you send him out there and you see him 30 minutes later it’s it’s really hard to adjust that the game was over by the time he got to talk to him again y so that that’s great from a Hawthorne Point of View and Adel got to be better at that these younger players in the Midfield have got to be better than this so not all not all lessons um come with this sort of trauma but it’s it’s a it’s an obvious lesson for them to learn if you’re not going to be true to yourself you can’t win the plan B discussion this is our plan and it is our only plan let’s go with it we can do stuff at stoppage and all that sort of stuff but I still I still endorse his coaching I see what he’s doing okay you’re going to have some bumps but they they’ve come from a long way back um over the last few years I’m not here I’m not here to endorse M Nicks but what we saw what we saw in the weekend was pretty poor um and if that remains well then he’ll be in the hot seat there’s no doubting that but when the magic man comes back Jared it’ll it’ll look a lot more aggressive than what it does right now yeah they’re a long way back from the team that they aspired to be this year the the worst bit was the Mel lafal injury as we had a great snap judgment on that this was one of the stories of the Year building it adds to the malays around Richmond it was just such a Pity late in the game and you know for what that young story is it goes on pause for 12 months a terrible pity there are some injuries when they happen do you find I don’t know whether you live it and breathe it like we all do I know you love you love watching it and love your footy you find yourself sitting on the couch and when he you see his knee hyp extend you s of touch your own knee go oh oh that’s got to hurt you’ve sort of feel it that was one of those ones that everyone felt and then when the his pain subsided and he was walking looking off I thought oh no no no please don’t be you know because that’s that’s the classic ACL the pain at the start and then it subsides you’re right he’s been a great story I just I just feel for Adam like he’s just not even getting a chance he’s really not getting a chance to play any of his tactical uh advantage or Nas on the against the competition and and all he has is pressure because really that’s all he can teach these young players at the moment and he just hopes that some of the senior players get a hold of a game they could have been six seven goals in front at one stage and and really shook the foundations of jalong they just couldn’t quite finish their work um so I think we’ve it’s just going to be a tough initiation now what’s that eight that’s eight the injuries at at Richmond yeah it’s a lot that’s a lot of these yeah and half of them ACLS yeah yeah so that they they can’t take a trick and it distills in that should Ferris be part of the Rising Star Award so the worst kind of reactionary stuff is going we should change it is you can’t do that we have to acknowledge that we’ve had the ruination of the award because there’s only two contenders and they both got suspended on the same weekend that is shockingly bad luck 1993 when this is instituted I’m so interested why it was chosen that fairest would be part of it doesn’t mirror the brown it’s not a week by week voting award it’s a subjective vote by the all Australian judges at the end the very next year Cory mckernan misses on on the the fleeting and marginal suspension of tripping and yet we didn’t clearly debate that firmly enough at the time and go hey what what why would this be we we’re trying to acknowledge the best young player in the game and maybe a little bit of forecasting for the future neither incident on the weekend involving Darcy and Reed ruins their character or their reputation their bad moments on a football field and you get two weeks for them just it it strikes me as just being out of whack I understand why the was fairest and best it dates back to a time and the tradition has continued this doesn’t date back to a time this starts in 1993 well we have to say that Cory mccum was proven to be a dirty player because he was rubbed out the brown LS well jured that he won in 96 so that was proven to be correct hello Cory good afternoon Cory um I think what you end up doing is creating the rising star butt award he’s the rising star but Harley Reed was really the ring he’s the rising star but Cory mccon was really the that doesn’t happen with theand because because the the that’s always been the school of thought you are the brown medalist and we’d very rarely say I but with the brown low so I think we’ve just created we just create a longer conversation now we’re not having the best two youngsters eligible it’ll be it it’s a definite butt whoever’s a rising star will be the the fakest and falsest Rising Star we’ve had for a while because we’re already down the depth chart and it’s one of the purest and most Beautiful Moments of the season when you live through all of their stories at the ceremony and then named it’s got such an uplifting quality to it and unfortunately that just won’t it it’s going to have a connotation to it this year so that’s just how it is we we just leave it no no I think we should at the end of the year have the conversation that should have been had in 1994 it just doesn’t make sense to me why Ferris is part of it so Chang it into this year and what do you do do you hand out retrospectives so that that’s a that’s for other Minds to with I’m asking your mind uh no because now I need to understand exactly how the voting works on these things is if you do you get votes and they’re excluded or do you not get votes you get votes okay so I was just having look at as Dustin Martin was ineligible in 2010 he doesn’t get votes but I haven’t had time to go back and look at how that worked so yeah I I’m just so interested as why the architects of the time with the new award decided that this had to be part of it I want you to find out who they were jar I want you to name them during the week please now you’re you spot on I think everyone wants the best young kid to win it and I don’t care if they’ve been suspended more often than not it’s they’re in football acts they’re not they’re not dirty acts they’re not outside of our code they’re a football act gone wrong a sling tackle a trip I mean they’re things that yeah even Sam Darcy whilst it’s on the edge of you know rough play it’s still a football act it’s still the game our great game um let’s just vote the best kids yes I have no issue with fer has been part of the brown low I I don’t indulge in that debate I’m happy to listen to people say it I think there’s a there’s a way you could readdress that but not remove it Ferris has always been part of the brow but I just don’t quite understand I’ve never been at the rising star ceremony where it’s made of virtue as this is for the fairest and best young player but it always is at the branow and always has been for as long as I can remember yeah so we’ve always held that up but I just I’m just not quite sure I understand why it applies in the rising star and it’s a subjective vote it would be as silly as saying to the all Australian selectors or by the way you can’t have any all Australian players who have been suspended why that doesn’t make any sense I just don’t think it should apply and I’m not here I I want to be really clearly understood this is a debate that should have been had 30 years ago yeah and the text come in that it’s dis respectful to say that you know fak us and falses but I think when you’re already at number three and we still got half the season to go who’s to say number three and four don’t get suspended what we give the fifth best Junior the rising star like I think that’s reality if we’re not going to give it to the best we we it’s clearly a fake award if the best doesn’t get it then then it becomes a nonsense odd one an odd one the debate for New Vision clinics Keyhole laser vision Next Generation technology call 00 202020 could you change it now no why not you can’t enter the season uh under the premise and then change it halfway through because it doesn’t suit us it doesn’t suit us though it doesn’t suit us and it is the ruination of this year’s award because the two contenders are ineligible but you can’t change it Midway through should have whoever was on the beat in 1994 should have changed name them Jared I want to know what Mike Shen wrote at the time Mike did you did you petition against this BL mik he’s the only one who could have got it done Patrick Smith Caro was on the beat who didn’t get it changed back in 1994 ringing Mike tell you’ve done that uh right what else where else do oh I want to do holding the ball um yeah let’s let’s do that here before we take our next break did you like it I thought it was excellent so what they got right is this change mid year didn’t need a rule change it’s just a slight change in interpretation so the sum total of it all is I don’t think it’s represented in the numbers but for we were having eight holding the ball a game we went to 11 and that was because reasonable time went from half in a game to three so it was it sort of directly correlates but the the view of it was much more interesting is holding the ball serves the game so well it’s always been a necessary part of the game we haven’t been been Vigilant with it and the game is better when it’s paid and the more I saw on the weekend the more I absolutely believe it yeah we we’ve had this discussion on crunch time a month ago and I said you got to go from five beats to three beats they’ve done that perfectly absolutely perfectly and I love the quick whistle when they can see the ball’s not moving so it saves the slam tackle or or the extra effort to get the bigger the larger players to ground which can go horribly wrong and then we’re getting head trauma so that’s a that’s a big saving well done for that for the safety of of the code and I love the fact we’re challenging players to dispose of the ball quicker so it frees up the ball is getting into space faster on the weekend than it had because players panic I don’t want to be caught with the ball here down back I have to get it out that will improve scoring now so it will have a flowing effect the only Rider that that I will put on it is that we’re going to get games that are going to have 20 holding the balls in them and are we comfortable with that because right now the game in jalong on the weekend had 16 which is a lot given that the a the average was eight so eight to to 16’s a big jump are we comfortable that we will have probably one game a weekend have six or 18 plus On Any Given round so we were still getting that outlier the the Collingwood Brisbane game at the gab early in the year had 17 under the under the interpretations at the time so we will still get the outlier game so the game in the west it felt like the umpires didn’t get the memo versus so so there will be there was already discrepancy and there will be discrepancy so that 17 game might be a 25 game are you happy with that it could be um if they’re there I am so every now and then you get an outlier and I remember there was one it was an mcg game that hore part of a couple of years ago and it had a high number it was two many as it turned out if you broke them down but the answer was somewhere in the middle I think we’ve sort of moved towards the middle does does do you think it makes it easier for the Umpire or harder that’s actually a really good I suspect it makes it easier so it feels a bit to me like if it looks like holding the ball it’s probably holding the ball whereas we were trying to go but does it me this doesn’t me does this layer here I would be happy to get to the point of going it the one that I love Jerry the one that I love is where players have being tackled by one arm and and probably the body and they’re just cuddling it cradling it under One Wing that’s now getting called it won’t take long for players to catch on to that and and if we pay that 10 times a game I’m thrilled with that cuz that’s killing our game so let’s revisit a little bit of our crunch time discussion shall we and put Carlton in PFI I feel like we’ve been just waiting to be reassured that Carlton had PFI and they did that on Thursday night is it the best coach game of the year so what are you trying to do you’re trying to take away the threats of the opposition so they say okay well buts is going to get some ball but we’re going to put chinot to we’re not going we’re not going to use our Prime movers in the middle we’re going to use we’s see if chinot can do it he’s he’s done a little bit of this over the last few weeks let’s see if he can go in there and do it so BS has 24 disposals not a bad number but not a big number and only five score involved ments huge tick huge tick one of the best players in the competition held to that there’s no Conor Rosie there so so okay there’s there’s no Next Level player that can can cover that so really it’s horn Francis versus our Midfield now he was a he was a good very good player in patches of that game but we know he’s we know he’s getable we know that he’s ripped here and bust and we’ll be a to have some fun the other way so let’s try and keep an eye on him at stoppage but we’re comfortable with him going head-to-head with cribs and Walsh and these guys in the middle we more than happy with that because he will get it wrong at times and we’re going to make him pay now it took a while for that to happen but it happened and then we’re also going to we’re going to make sure as a teams this is a team buying so forwards hey they split the the the uncontested marker who who takes the ball in the middle of the ground they have a left footer running one side for the hand ball receive and the right footer running to the other side so they will split that player every time Houston One Way Ferrell the other and more often than not you’ve got one Def One forward playing the defensive role there and you can’t go with both so they get the they get the pure hand ball past the man the Mark at speed into those forwards who want it coming quickly because let’s be honest they’re not good enough if it doesn’t Dixon had a poor night so they’ll they were made to look um wanting they were wanting for another forward georg’s kick goals but they wanted they really desperately needed Marshall to be the man or someone else down there to stand up so I thought vosi disarmed them really well and and then when the game become a a Carlton game at stoage in the last quarter we haven’t seen a quarter like it that first the first five or six goals of that quarter I think I looked at the clock and it was still 17 minutes or 15 minutes how quickly it happened it threatened to be a 40-minute quarter for a while there but it was just amazing and I think that’s going to be cartton I I just think they’re going to get um Talent back the 23 is going to get better but they’ve set standards um over the last few weeks and we lived this last year so we shouldn’t be shocked by this they’ve been severely impacted by injury but I just think if you if you’re looking to endorse the coach then that’s it I think pit nett will play everyone’s jumped off mark pitner because they see what toning can do and when he wasn’t in the rck it was a problem in the first half it was a problem they had Kennedy in the RO at times against Soo no good and they got they got a goal scoring opportunity from it Port adate um they had Crips in the rck at times they had Harry who didn’t have his best night in the rck I just want to leave Harry forward and I know there’s an opportunity to throw him you can always do that you can always sub the Ruckman out of the game that’s the beauty of the sub because Mark pittet is the best center boun Ruckman in the competition in terms of creating scores um for his last six games when he’s in at Center bounces there plus 25 Center bouns clearances that’s the best return um of any player in the competition so don’t give up on an asset no no so on preliminary final night PFI is pitet and stone in your team yeah with the with the ability to sub pit halfway through the third quarter because if he’s going really well we keep going with it but I’m happy to have him on the bench for long periods too hey Tom this is your this is your rock role to to to maximize go your hardest the first 12 minutes and Mark you can sit there for a bit and if it’s going beautifully We Roll on and then you go the India second R he and has to go on for six or seven minutes but if he can if he can keep the energy up with this clearance game that’s where they’re going to win it Jared so why wouldn’t you maximize that rather than have another Runner Sunday night Caron and endon do you want to put parameters around your setings today we only vaguely understand them ourselves I I’m playing this week as if you gave me $400 which we know is not going to happen because you don’t give me anything if I had to have four $100 bets to win who on who was going to win the Premiership this year is how I’m attacking it all right I’m much more Hostage to the moment okay who’s at four Collingwood are at four cuz I’m getting a good price on Collingwood right now and I’m a value type Shopper Jared and when they get their numbers back and they may be out of the eight when they return but they will come with a run at some stage I’m going to put Bulldogs Hawthorn freem manle I’ll put freem manle at fre y on Hostage to the moment three the Giants I still think the Giants have uh the buy come in a good time for them they get a chance to recalibrate they haven’t been themselves uh the stars are are just get getting warm and they they’re a good price Jed again I’m shopping for a little bit of value here I’ve got Essen and at three C Essen of flip positions for me ahead of Sunday night two the blue Baggers and they they are genuine they are real and in a very winnable year they may have just come good at the right time yeah over subscribed on Carton and happy to be so there at two and the one seed stayed in the stable it was like the corfield cup favorite who didn’t race while everything else drifted I might have a quella actually you say that Sydney SWS at one all right those are the seatings take them as you will do your own you don’t like them just one last question for you as we wind it up is it a good week to play Collingwood or is it a good week to play Melbourne I think it’s a bad week to play Melbourne bad can I answer it that way no that surely respond what do you rewrite my question so it’s yes I I don’t understand the premise of your question David