Are 49ers clear NFC champ favorites, Russell Wilson vs. Justin Fields, Pats dynasty | NFL | THE HERD

Two-time Super Bowl champion Logan Ryan joins Colin Cowherd to discuss the player transition to coach path, such as Mike Vrabel and Jarod Mayo. He then discusses whether the San Francisco 49ers should be clear NFC champion favorites and the Russell Wilson-Justin Fields competition in Pittsburgh. Ryan then reflects on the New England Patriots dynasty post-documentary and Tom Brady roast.

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well we had Tom Brady yesterday on the show who won a few Super Bowls in New England so did Logan Ryan both with a Patriots and uh we have strongly urged Logan to get into broadcasting pivot into broadcasting please uh we love him to see him here today the former ruer Scarlet Knight third pick uh third round pick by the Patriots you know we had Brady on yesterday and we were we were talking a lot about um there’s a certain competitiveness to be great at what you guys do like there’s there a lot of great athletes but there’s a Relentless the great ones are usually a little smarter and a little more focused and a little more competitive and Tom said I I don’t think I’ll be quite as competitive as a broadcaster but um is it if you go into that space which I think people you’re going to you know you’re built for what we can see what are your expectations because as a player if there’s a blown coverage a lot of fans don’t really understand what happens on a play oh yeah in broadcasting a bad sentence let me just warn you it lasts how do you view going into broadcasting challenge anxious how would you how do you want to be viewed as a broadcaster yeah I think uh I think there is a little anxiousness about man if I get if I say something the wrong way then that is documented Twitter’s going to bring it up immediately I got to deal with the backlash or or whatnot but I view myself listen we want broadcasters to be entertaining right we want them to inform us and be entertaining and I think think the best thing I can do better than theatrics is use my experiences of playing for great coaches playing in a lot of playoff games playing in a lot of Super Bowls and using my unique experiences that I’ve had and kind of teach you through that try to educate I hope to be educational informative and I hope to educate the fan with basic knowledge like my kids who watched the game right when Disney did a uh you know a a broadcasting of the game or the Nickelodeon game right yeah um at that level all the way up to the highest level fan I hope to educate everybody we were talking about Jim Harbaugh earlier and I said Harbaugh is uh Relentless in his preparation detail and his competitiveness you had really different coaches uh you had almost an offensive wizard in Shanahan you had the smartest defensive coach ever in bellich and a real Alpha as a personality Mike frabel and I think sometimes when I look at a Tomlin or of Rael I may not think they’re as schematically as gifted because they’re so motivationally good when I in in Vel again this is me being unfair he’s a former player right you bellich che’s the academic but go back to you know a guy that you know well Mike who I always really appreciated as a former player um how did he get Buy in from the schemes he’s really smart he’s a smart player he was a versatile player he has Championship pedigree and I think his size stature it matters it matters yeah I did I do think a lot of guys looked at him and like man you could check my tape of what I did and he was putting his hands on offensive lineman and defensive lineman in practice in terms of like showing him how to get off a block like hey I can show you twoo I could still do this for a snap or two um but I think Rabel what people don’t understand is how smart he was I mean I think he was when we had Dean peas there right and that’s when Tennessee was going on those runs right we went to AFC Championship game and um you know when I was there and I think Dean peas was a wizard because he was with belich in New England and Rael played under de pie I think when those two were there we were drawing up defenses and changing our defenses from week to week to beat a Baltimore I mean we went from beating New England right as a underdog in Tom Brady’s last game as a patriot to then beating the 14-2 uh Ravens at home when Lamar Jackson won MVP completely two different defenses and Rayo as the head coach has to not only Implement that defense with Dean peas but also be willing to say yeah let’s change our defense up and we give belich a lot of credit for doing that in the Super Bowl against the Rams right they’re a non Zone playing defense the entire year they have Stefon Gilmore they have JC Jackson they have Jason mccordi they play manto man every snap and they go play Shawn McVey which I think is one of the most underrated Super Bowls from a defensive perspective yeah and run in zone the entire game and McVey did not see that coming and that’s Jared Go’s last game as a la Ram yeah um the ners I I’ve talked about this they’re in a space now where they’ve got really expensive great players many old and some of those players like mcaffrey feels like a pitcher who’s thrown 300 innings in four straight years I do feel like there’s a sense for me you’re eventually going to have to pay Brock prie Trent and Christian I mean you can look at the data they play they win um but KD Debo Trent mcaffrey those guys get banged up I kind of feel and I said this teams there’s arches you could feel it with Tom Brady he got frustrated his last two years New England with a lack of Playmakers on offense you could hear them on the sidelines I do feel like the best version of San Francisco may have been last year um now hu funga comes back at safety but when you were there um the intellect remains but do you look at them and wonder how many snaps does Trent Williams have how many hits does mcaffry have Debo there are no finesse runs by Debo there are none yeah um I look at them as a team that is on the precipice of like moving downhill with injuries how did you feel there I think this is a window right now and they’re in it and we know with um great teams or trying to create trying to win championships or try to contend and get to that level year in year that takes a toll it’s really hard you’re playing a lot more games everyone else you’re practicing a full month longer than everyone else and that adds up and I think San Fran is right in it and they know with the roster they have when they play Brock when they pay Brock py and they will pay Brock pie that they cannot keep everybody else so I think that the foundation pieces of what we see a KD a Debo a Trent a Fred a Bosa a hardgrave it’s hard to keep all those pieces together for 5 10 years if you’re not winning championships so this is their window right now they’re in it I think they’re right in it I think last year was a great opportunity obviously we we we’re sick about that but I think this is this year I think they’re they’re the team I think this is their year you know this sounds like a it probably is a simplistic question but you guys give your soul to a team and then you’re traded and so here you are you’re a patriot you’re a Titan and then all of a sudden you’re a Niner and it’s always weird to me it would be like me being on another Network tomorrow forget not knowing the the executives names it’s like I can’t screw it up and say the wrong Network how long how do you go from being a committed Titan how long was it the drive to work the team the locker room to feel like you’re part of something and not an outsider because it’s no other career do we ask you to be loyal to the team and then you go from United Airlines to Delta in an hour right like is it is that hard to get Buy in from them was it hard for you to buy into them you know it’s it’s it’s it is really hard and I think as I got older um I understood and they’ll tell you these words well it’s a business well you show up every day to your work and you got to give a little bit more if you want to be good at it you can go you can give very little you can give the least required that your contract allows you to like basic amount of hours but we’re training all year round we’re eating healthy all year round or a guy like me is um I’m doing everything I can I’m trying to lead my teammates I’m trying to be a really good employee right and I felt at most of my places I was a good employee is in terms of doing what I was asked to do and going above and beyond in the locker room off the field in the community my kids going to school with these places my kids having uh friends my wife getting settled down in a certain situation and then a team decides to move on or different direction my contract expires I don’t extend did it take you off I feel like I failed as a father I feel like I failed as a as a man of supporting my family and keeping them stable because when I had to move my kids I’m like I must have not did enough I should have got another interception I should have won that one game but on the other side to them it’s just a numbers game it’s just a business so I think that’s the hard side of it and I think great teams need play who care and buy in but at the same time great organizations also move on from players when they feel like they need to and I think sometimes that’s hard it’s hard to get that balance it’s hard to get that buy in and a team like San Francisco has that buy in right now those players really want it those players do give a lot those players Fred Warner’s working out right now I know Fred I call I call him Freddy Bean after Kobe Kobe Bean Bryant like this guy is a tremendous worker and if Fred War ever moved on from San Francisco that would be terrible to see because of what he does for that organization so I think it’s hard because the players have to give their all to it and listen you get rewarded handsomely but like you said you you’re on a different team quickly and I mean a matter of minutes and you might not even learn from the team you might learn online before you even know so those are the things that are really hard on families those are things that were hard for me but that just comes with the business that you’re playing in it’s not always a fair business those ner players buy into you yeah I think the ners players definitely are bought in like I said it’s um they’re playing they went up against you know we went up against against a great quarterback in Patrick Mahomes and had a great drive at the end of the game but um you remember your first day walking into the locker room San Francisco I do yeah I I might have said it on here I walked in on a Tuesday typical NFL off day you might have a handful of players in there on off day I mean some guys get out the building because they’re there six days a week uh maybe 10 guys there on off day guys who need treatment guys were banged up I say they probably 30 40 guys in the weight room working out all the stars in there working out I haven’t seen anything like that since couple New England years was like that Brady in there and everyone following suit so pie was in there rolling out Christian was in there squatting Bosa um everybody was in there and I was going for a try out I was coming off the cruise just trying to try out and uh I did well enough like are you make the team I said I think so and then like two weeks later I’m starting but I was in there with them every Tuesday as well so I was like man I remember telling my parents and my wife I’m like this is this team’s going to going to be a special team so I got to ask you about Pittsburgh how we long the h of Famer has a great line he says there’s not enough oxygen in a room for two good quarterbacks they don’t have to compete like corners and safeties and linebackers like so now you got Russell Wilson super talented Justin fields and Russell comes with um a brand a reputation um whatever you think of him there’s a lot of stuff and Justin Fields is too talented to just sit on the bench the schedule’s brutal so you know Russell not going to have 16 17 seamless weeks that quarterback room is it going to be weird like quarterback’s different they don’t compete Tom wanted you know Tom didn’t love garoo in the room and he was Tom Brady what is that going to be like I agree with hoe long when you have when you have two starting quarterbacks that means you don’t have one you have none uh I I think you know Russell has not been playing his best ball I think he can play better ball uh and he will play better ball in Pittsburgh but you’re going to see Justin Fields do something in preseason those fans are always be hoping and waiting like man maybe Russ had a rough game let’s put him in let’s get him in there so I understand right we’re talking about football we’re talking about business we’re talking about moving from players and not making long-term commitments as much anymore and we’re looking at analytics and hey if I get two starting quality quarterbacks or guys who were starters in their career for this price why not put them both on the roster but I don’t know if that works out best for Russ or Justin field so I think you might see a combination of both those guys playing this year not in terms of a let’s put him in at Wildcat I’m just saying I think it might get to the point you put Justin fields in because I don’t know why you get him just to sit there the entire year and do nothing with it at all so unless Russ comes out and lights the world on fire which I do think he’s going to play well however I do think that Baltimore is going to play well right with Derrik Henry Joe bur and Joe burrow is back in Cincy I think that’s going to go well and I think Deshawn Watson needs to show up and play some ball on Cleveland and Cleveland was a pretty good team last year without him so where is Pittsburgh stand in that Division and where do the Pittsburgh quarterback position standing that division is that the fourth best quarterback room in in the in that division so it’s it’s going to be tough so you played with Gerard Mayo in New England now he’s the coach and for years I would hear um that’s the next coach Bill loves him so but there there is a difference between being a really good player and beloved by Bill and then breaking away and you make all the decisions that’s a big difference um expectations Growing Pains what do you think what what are his strengths tremendous leader I mean I think that’s rael’s biggest strength just an alpha leader um I think he’s relatable and smart enough to understand um the current day player who is different than when he played I do think he understands these guys I think he’s willing to listen to These Guys these guys are already saying the changes that are already felt around there uh and I think that he’s a great worker very smart I think he’s put the time in I think he has a great relationship with Robert Craft and I think that’ll allow him to get the patience that is needed to get through this process I mean they got to figure out the quarterback position they drafted a guy in in Drake May to to help that so I think they got to they got to figure that position out if you don’t have a quarterback nowadays you’re not winning in general I think they’ll play good defense they always do up there but they got to figure out the offense they got to figure out how to generate some points and I think Gerard’s gonna his staff is going to have to help him with that because he’s not an offensive guy but I do think he’s willing to adjust and listen to other ideas Implement titles which bill bill has not done in a lot of years and I think it’s going to be the strength of his staff so I think what is his coaching staff that he was able to hire who wants to work for him and what can those guys do I think that’s going to be the real tell in New England um so you uh Vel you play with he becomes a coach and Gerard Mayo you play with we’re seeing it in the NBA and the NFL more players are becoming coaches did you spot early with Vel and with R ma oh that guy will be a coach was there somebody on the ners that you look at and go oh that guy could be a coach cuz I think it’s rare yeah like I didn’t think frel would be a coach I think he joined the Ohio State staff and I always looked at him as just sort of a big strong good-look guy and all of a sudden you start watching their games and I hear him talk and I’m like that guy’s pretty brilliant Gerard Mayo I heard for years did you instinctively know with like a Vel in the playing days cuz rael’s chugging beers with Tommy he didn’t feel like a coach to me I didn’t play with Rael I’m not not that old but um but yeah I came right after that that eror of of of New England Patriots I knew of bravel um and I always heard about his presence and how he was the guy in the room that demanded a lot from the rookies and and and wanted things a certain way and he just had the respect from so many guys from Teddy brusi and guys I mean people could think maybe Teddy brusi could be a coach you know he has that type of Personality oh I love teddy I think it’s do guys want to do it I think guys can be a coach but do guys want to dedicate the hours and the time and the job insecurity of you know coaches don’t coach for long in the NFL we know that so do guys want to go take that risk and do it I think the want to is what makes a great coach and um in terms in my in my in my career a lot of people said that I would be a good coach because I have a knowledge of the game and I was like I don’t want to work that many hours for what and I’m moving to some City that I don’t ideally maybe want to live into and get and get fired or start somewhere so it’s kind of like man do I want to coaches are in that building much longer than players are they’re missing more holidays than players are missing and you need need to have a a wife and a family who understands that and if you made a certain amount of money you have a certain amount of piece in your life why go back into it I guess is the question so early bill on the documentary could be pretty funny with the Press yeah recent Bill roast can be pretty funny but there was a time in the middle 10 to 12 years he he lost the humor uh he was sort of dismissive um to us but in those years maybe it’s maybe it’s Spygate the Boston media could wear anybody out um when when Bill was seen as hardened and tough and difficult and dismissive did you notice a personality change which happens to a lot of people you get beat up by the Press you lose big games you’re mad at your owner like it’s hard bill was like GM and coach at the end what do you make of this return to sort of the fun sense of humor bill so I was in New England drafted 2013 to 2016 and I think you know during that time we dealt with the Aaron Hernandez situation um and the flake gate right and I think that a lot of times it was like us against the world type stuff in terms of he kept everything internal so I think we did I did see the funny side of bill that you saw at times I saw the low lights and stuff he talked about chewing guys out in film but I also saw the lighthearted stuff so I think we had a great time I had a great time there won a lot of games my last game was the Malcolm Butler interception I leave New England right now that we get the stage set I leave New England the next season is the Philadelphia situation where Malcolm doesn’t play in the Super Bowl yeah and when I watched that documentary I wasn’t there at this point now so now I’m not I’m ex New England Patriot and I see the kind of the turn right of the political statements coming out from Bill uh supporting uh you know Trump and whatnot and we said we’re not going to talk about any body’s own personal beliefs right so I saw how that kind of shook the locker room like hey we don’t talk about those things why are you talking about those things right and so I started to see when I saw the documentary I started to see a change I played New England right and Brady’s last game intercepted him and and whatnot and then so that was the kind of the end of the documentary when we beat New England in that game I remember I’m friends with the mccordi twins Theon Harmon Brady James White I mean you name it high tower Jamie c those are my guys those are guys I’ve won Super Bowls with spent a lot of time with on off the field they all seem tired they seem tired like when we won and I came up to shake their hands and whatnot I’m thinking man they just lost in Fox bro like we never lose in Fox bro not playoff games and I’m like I they might storm to Locker they shook my hand they’re like congrats you deserve it bro and and like I was just like that’s it they just seem defeated in a sense of just it was some long years so I did think it got a little dark but I wasn’t there for those times but when I played them I felt it I felt like they were just okay being done because it was just a long couple years those last couple years listen I think um Pat Riley always said you get about 10 years and then you need a new voice and I think Bill and maybe dogmatic is the wrong thing but it was sort of a systematic way to do business sacrifice for the team but I do think Bill eventually he wanted to talk politics and then Tom eventually wanted to do a commercial and miss a camp and I think that’s human I I always look at the Patriots dynasty is how lucky was I to watch a 20-year NFL Dynasty basketball Dynasty I get like four years and done yeah so to me I think it was a fitting and predictable conclusion to the biggest Sports business in America is that 20 years I mean you hug and that’s three times the length of a dynasty if Kansas City gives us four more years just four more I’m not sure it’ll count as half of New England and I feel like Kansas City years yeah they’re rolling with Andy Reid and Mahomes yeah I think Bill was he he did a great job if you think about it of like putting this Camp around right and not letting cameras inside right there’s no when that last dance when Brady’s last dance footage comes out it’s going to be phenomenal right we kind of saw it a little bit but it’s like no cameras were in you had no idea what was happening and he just focused on playing ball it’s like the M Night shamalan movie The Village or whatever and you’re just living a certain way right for so many years you just hop out and like oh there’s a Target across the street I didn’t know we were we were living like it was the 1990s times have changed people want to talk about political views political views got into football yeah people want to do commercials it’s okay to have your cell phone in a meeting so these things employees right in the workplace they’re the they Dem mans chained I think as a boss you got to understand that I think he did a great job to make time stand still for 20 years and get players to truly focus on what’s important which is executing football and at the end of the day political views all that stuff has nothing to do with playing a football game and Bill did a great job of getting guys in position to build to play a football game and win it but there’s a lot of other things in life that we need to talk about at work nowadays and that’s just kind of where we’re at nowadays I love that he made time stand still for 20 years but eventually time breaks through it just eventually they look over and it’s like oh we’re not in a village in the middle of the woods we can have some freedoms yeah Logan Ryan great seeing you my man appreciate it always love having you on hi everybody it’s me Uncle Colin subscribe here to get the latest from the herd including exclusive behind the scenes videos and more wherever you may be however you may be watching thanks again for making us part of your day