Golf Channel’s Brentley Romine sits down with Needtobreathe frontman Bear Rinehart to talk golf, parenting, the band’s hole-in-one songs, and the time Scottie Scheffler got emotional at a concert. #GolfChannel
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all right I’m fortunate today to be chatting with oneth of the band need to breathe you know is solo work also as Wilder woods and I’ve heard he’s a bit of a Golf Nut as well certified golf guy uh bear Reinhardt uh thanks for uh thanks for dropping in for a little bit no thanks for having me man I appreciate it now you guys are currently touring uh had an album that came out recently called caves going on a world tour here pretty soon uh how much golf is being played on these tours at at least for you yeah two I mean it’s been it’s been good actually this is we’re on the second leg of it right now doing all the amphitheaters and everything and we’re probably two or three times a week right now so that’s that’s really good for me um you know you can get kind of carried away on the tour and and becomes tough you know weatherwise or whatever but it’s we’ve had had a run of luck so we’ve been playing a lot now that’s a lot more golf than I’m playing as a father of a 2-year-old uh right now but so we all hate SL slow play right has a has a golf round ever gone up very close to a show like have you been scrambling to get ready jumping in the shower trying to get ready yeah a couple times I’ve pushed it um we um we play Red Rocks you know every couple of years this we’re going into it next week sometime it’s it’s our fifth time playing there and and Castle Pines is always a place that like I like to get out and try to play and a couple of times I’ve played on the day of the show and it’s like you’re on whole 12 it’s like man maybe I can get one more in you know that kind of thing um and then it’s a it’s a little bit of a drive from there Red Rock so so that’s happened to me a couple times um but I try not to cut it too crazy I mean i’ I’ve I walked one day I remember we played Atlanta I walked peach peach tree and it was about 100 degrees outside and that kind of thing so it wasn’t that I got rushed it was that I was dead tired by the time I got to the stage so we pushed it for a little bit Yeah fans are are wondering why you’re wearing a tidalist hat up there exactly exactly so I saw you play TPC Saw Grass recently any any highlights man it’s it’s well it was cool for me because it was a second time I went down with some guys and played and I hadn’t been playing a lot and it just played horrible you know had a really it was a great course obviously but had a bad experience so this time got a little second chance at it play a little bit better um I got to go Judah and the line is a band that’s out opening for us right now and Judah uh was a college baseball player good athlete hits it a long way so me and him both uh been getting out a lot and got to play together and finally you know hit the green 17 finally and um yeah it was it was a good day I mean if as long as you can do that that’s really you walk away feeling pretty good yeah I part I parted 17 and 18 so I feel like you know so we accomplished something yeah that’s all you got to say right it it’s so it’s so difficult playing with someone who’s longer than you because you feel like you got to got to keep up a little bit and you’re obviously a pretty competitive guy athlete as well um give us a little scouting report on your golf game not as long as Judah but uh no I’m I’m you know I’m probably an eight right now um I didn’t play golf until after college I was a I played football in a small school at Ferman um and just it didn’t grow up around it my dad didn’t play you know of that so um when I got into it I mean I fell in love with it but I definitely if somebody if I’m if I’m not playing at least once a week you know it it goes down very quickly so I feel like for me like the athleticism is a big part of it um and then you know it’s just not I was I’m not a guy who’s like totally natural at it didn’t grow up on the course and those kind of things so for me um the more I’m playing the better it gets and got a chance to playing a tournament last year um a sort of rer Cup Tournament thing with um Steph Curry and Dell Curry were the captains the the two teams and so it was you know Drew Drew Brees and Ben rothberger Ray Allen all these guys um all of them better than me but um me and Thomas r a country singer went we were the worst two guys there but we did win some matches so we felt good about that so around that kind of thing you know I grind and try to get better um most of the time I’m just I’m you know I’m just enjoying it as long as they’re giving you enough shots that’s that’s all that matters exactly can you rank the games of the members of need to breathe I mean we know that Randall can can hit 180 ball speed but uh right yeah exactly no um it’s funny these gu I mean I’m begging him to play it’s on this tour literally our guitar player Tyler I bought him his first Polo I was like listen this is your entry into we’re gonna do this so we’re trying to get him going Seth the base player played in high school and he is he’s one of those guys that’s like really annoyingly good because he played when he was a kid and so he hasn’t played in three years he comes out and you know um but everybody else everybody else I cannot get to go play with me so at least have that I think I can beat them all right now now everyone has the home track that they kind of first learned on obviously yours is a little bit later in life but what’s the what’s the sweet The Sweet Spot like what course has your heart as the place where you first kind of learn yeah probably Walker course is uh Clemson was that’s where they play um the college team plays and it was close enough to me and you could get on you know it’s like it was the nicest course around that I could afford when I was right out of college um and so Billy Napier is guy he’s a football coach of Florida now was my roommate in college um we were best friends he was my quarterback and and so when he he was a grad assistant at Clemson I was live living in cica South Carolina right close to each other and he was the one that gave me my first clubs and said hey you got to figure this out like let’s do this together so we used to play a ton at Walker course um right at right after we both graduated from college um so that’s probably the sweet one and now you know I’m at trador in Nashville which is just I mean it’s a crazy experience if people don’t haven’t you know experienced this Discovery Land stuff um it’s a lot of fun yeah the views from trador are pretty insane right yeah and it’s just it’s one of there’s no dress code you know it’s that kind of it’s real laidback it’s very um you know lot of musicians and athletes and that kind of thing um but it’s it’s really fun because they’re great to my kids I mean for me I’ve got I got three little boys now so taking them out there is very important um so not being too stuffy around the driving range and all that kind of stuff is important you know for an eight and six year old so they can hit some balls yeah I I wanted to get into some of the deeper stuff later but we’ll go into a little bit of parenting right now what do you think the key is in terms of getting your kids involved in athletics like how do you know when to push them and when not to push them especially I imagine all your kidss are kind of in elementary school age maybe Middle School by now yeah I’ve got yeah eight six and three so they’re playing baseball right now the two older ones and um it’s been it’s been fun obviously I think like you’re each kid is so different their personality and how much you can push them and all that so I’d hate to say like this is the time or this isn’t what exactly you should do um but you know I found just like I think most people know but just like the lessons that that Sports can teach are just incredible it’s a kind of you can’t you can’t make your kids fail like sports can and that’s so important you know what I mean for them to go I feel like I lost the game for us I didn’t I was some my best those kind of things those kind of conversations are what I love about it um and so I’m just I really am trying to get them to figure out how to use their body I’m trying you know what I mean baseball golf same way it’s like um not get too crazy technical on all the details just like see if they will fall in love with one of these things because you know I I’m I’m a big believer that like you know if whatever you’re doing music included you know if you don’t love the work then you don’t love it yeah and so I think that’s the thing I want to Foster so when they you know when they are 12 13 they go I really do love this and I love working at it and and um so yeah I’ll keep I’ll stay on the lookout for it but we’re having really fun with them right now what do your games look like at trador just some guys that you play with man it’s all over the place yeah I’ve got some guys that I I like to play with a lot um that you know just it’s a good I don’t like a ton of stress you know like when I’m playing golf and also you know it’s it’s a lot of my life on the road is these meet and greets and those kind of things like I don’t that’s not what I’m looking for I’m looking to hang and have a good time um but you know it is it’s really fun there’s a lot of people I play with Tim TBO out there or you know Darius Rucker or those kind of like there’s just a lot of those kind of guys going around so that’s a lot of fun um and it’s been you know my favorite thing to do is play in the afternoons or evenings by myself I mean there’s nothing like it to me you know it’s in the summer so nobody wants to be out there it’s hot I get out there about 5 or 5:30 and I could play 18 holes in two hours and you know repeat a hole if I want to that kind of thing so um yeah I really I really enjoy that part I find that I celebrate myself a lot more when nobody’s around you can hit the ball that’s why yeah well you you hit a good one you’re like yes bear you know uh which is I would never do if you don’t know me around around my buddy so um I do really enjoy that so Napier TBO have they sent you some Gator stuff to put on over the they have not I think they know better I think they know better but but I tell friends I’m like man it’s the crazy I follow the Florida stuff you know I mean religiously really I mean I read every single article they write about so it’s it’s a very I never cared at all about for Gators until Billy got there and now I’m like the biggest fan in the world so um pulling for him yeah we’re still trying to get it back a little bit there [Music] when you’re playing at home do you listen to music on the golf course or are you a listen to music guy I I’m really not um but I’ve got buddies that are you know so it’s it’s and I think most of the time like I like when a guy into like the old country kind of like whan Jennings and that kind of thing that’s my golf that’d be my golf kind of vibe um Nathaniel riff that kind of stuff um but I’ve got one of my best friends is out there and he’s always playing you know Justin Bieber and Justin timberlay and all that kind of like pop music That’s Not My Vibe but he likes it I’m I’m okay with it do you like listening to your own stuff like if you know that’s a really funny thing they know that I don’t um it’s not that I don’t like it but you know what I mean I just don’t it’s like puts a I’m a pretty shy person so um they if they’re trying to get under my skin they blast me to breathe on the golf course and they know it’s like they got a chance of getting my head a little bit have you ever come up with a song while playing golf oh I don’t think so um yeah I don’t think so and I think the reason is it’s like golf is my one spot to not have to think about music at all um but I’m but I’ve been pitched many songs while playing golf I bet bet you know everybody everybody you play with thinks they’re a songwriter so they’ve all got you know ideas that I of course can’t use butth no I don’t think I’ve I don’t think I’ve written anything out there you know this might be a dad joke but I a thought drive all night would have been a little bit about oh that’s good that’s good yeah I did have I had a manager one time we had a um myw has been a long time ago our first manager but we had a song called differen maker and it’s really not it’s about humility really the song is and and he come to me he goes he goes bear he’s like the new song it’s it’s it’s working he’s like I I put it in my head right before I hit a drive on the golf course I was like okay if it’s working for you keep using it I guess it’s kind of a good Tempo I guess for your swing you know right yeah slows it down just a little bit now there’s there’s there’s a lot of crossover I think between your band and golf right now I mean you guys are have been in commercials for the PGA tour at least your music has um a lot of golfers pro golfers love your stuff I mean we’ve seen Russell Henley playing your charity event like I’ve seen him play Jimmy thing on uh acoustic guitar too so he could probably fill in if you ever needed someone lot more tour Pros College golfers they all love your stuff but what’s it like being a golf fan and being fans of these guys who are also fans of you I mean it’s been one of the most you know it’s it’s such a fun perk of of being a musician honestly because like this job is tough and you’re gone a lot just like just like the golfing thing is um I think we have a lot in common with athletes like that especially baseball players and golfers um they came up you know through the minor leagues or they came up you know corn fairy those kind of things it’s like it’s tough travel it’s tough being away from home um I got the opportunity to go play in a Scotty sheffer’s event um he had a foundation event that we played some music I had and played with him Dallas National and got to know him a little bit and and that it’s the most fun is when you find out you know the people are great people so like you mentioned Russell Henley I was I I sang at his wedding and and gave him a guitar for that so like these are like real great Kevin stelman is another one just like these you know steuart sink um guys that you run into different places then you find out man these These are really great dudes they just happen to be exceptional athletes well Scotty uh recently a dad as of last week to a little boy his his buddy Sam Burns too who you obviously follow quite a bit as well had a son recently too and he named him bear that’s what I heard what was crazy is so no so well this is I mean wild I I’ve never met Sam um but he just I know he’s um he’s gonna he’s been playing some at triador here lately and I just haven’t been around to see him um and but Scotty’s the one that told me that but he did not mention I can’t imagine it’s about me because I haven’t met Sam but um yeah I don’t know maybe so there’s been that that’s been one of the craziest things I’ve had happen to me as uh you know as a musician is is people come up and say they Nam their kid bear I was OB obviously named after Bear Bryant um so that’s where my you know redneck thing came from um but I do love the name so yeah I don’t think Sam Burns named his kid after Bear Bryant though being LSU guys no I do not think so either I pretty sure pretty positive that wasn’t it yeah 0.0% chance now let’s talk about Scotty just a little bit more you know you’ve said you’ve met him obviously we all know he’s a super great guy uh has he has he shared with you like his favorite need to breathe song or anything like that or uh I’m trying to think what he said I mean one of the sweetest things that he’ll you know I went and played this event with Scott drew hul Matt Carney Judah uh from Judah the line was there too and he came back after we had played we just did like a writers and round thing and I could tell he had been crying you know he’s like man that moved me and that was like and that I mean that blew me away I hope he won’t be mad at me for sharing that I don’t think he would but just um that was pretty incredible that like um that that he was that kind of fan and that it meant that much much to him for us to come down there and play and I’ve actually asked him to do a charity um sort of auction items for the where we have an oranization out with us called four others right now does foster care stuff and he didn’t hesitate to say yes even though I don’t know him very well you know um so I think that’s you hear about a million of those stories you know Romo talking about him and all that it’s like it’s it’s I can just validate at least for my experience the guys’s you know um incredible and down to earth and um you know I don’t know that’s that’s great for the game of golf in my opinion yeah I think he he also shares his faith a little bit you guys do as a band you know you’re not maybe the traditional Christian band in a sense but you know certainly I mean that that’s your guys Roots um sure he he he hasn’t been shy about you know with all the great success that he’s had and really talking about how golf doesn’t Define him and I thought it was really cool before the Masters this year he was talking about how his victory was already secured on the cross I’m curious from your perspective like how does that mindset ease anxiety like when you’re at the top of your craft like you’re getting ready for a show you’re getting ready to you know write you know go into the recording studio or anything like that like how do you like how does your faith get you to the point where you can do that without being anxious or scared or sure sure I mean I’m somebody that struggles with that a lot I mean the terms of anxiety and those kind of things um I would I would say you know it’s more um zoomed out in a way like I I think that way the way our band approaches our music um if it was all about success I mean the difference between us and and you know a golfer is that we don’t have a scoreboard to tell us if we’re doing great or not you know music is just not that way and and even the impact you have might be on a few people and make it great on a few people and not the masses or those kind there’s a lot of those kind of questions that I think that as musicians we always um come back to and I think I think really it’s like do we we believe this is what we were made to do is this our purpose in life can we do it you know with a servant heart um that’s a huge uh perspective like fix I think for us all the ways it’s to kind of go like man what we’re really doing tonight at the show is serving these people that are coming here because we’ve been given this ability and this and the story even you know that we were supposed to share and I think keeping that in mind I think it’s been huge for our band and the more we make records and all that it’s um you know we’re not we’re the reason we’re not really a Christian manand is probably because we just don’t it’s not like we’re trying to evangelize through the music or that kind of thing necessarily we didn’t feel like that’s our role um but we are trying to share our story and that story has a lot of Hope in it um and I think that’s a good reminder for us every day yes uh Scotty was on a podcast recently um Ben Ben Crane’s podcast and I think web Simpson does it as well and they kind of asked him about the balance between like not caring like being secure in your identity knowing that you’re not defined by what you do but also not getting to the point where it’s like ah like you know golf is not that big a deal I’m not going to work hard on it like what’s the balance like for you as a musician that way in terms of yeah that’s a good question I mean I I think um Judah and I on this tour have talked a lot about that um I think I think you want to be making something I I I think whether it’s God or whether it’s you and your personal life like you need to be moving forward stagnation is pretty uh tough place to be regardless and and so I think I think that’s a definitely a balancing thing and also um I feel like I used to say this at the very begin of our career I mean 20 years ago of like the greatest art in the world is made about God whether we like it or not like that’s that to me is because and and when you make that with that sort of reverence um that does make the thing better so I think that to me is important I would say like I’m not it’s not that I don’t care about the results but I really have had to you know be like a lot of other athletes I know in the sense of like I’ve fallen in love with the process of it and if the results are meant for me they’re meant for me um and it’s not that I don’t care if we win or lose but I certainly can’t control if we win or lose in terms of you know what that means for a ban in terms of success so um the other thing is like thankfulness is the is the you know automatic attitude adjustment um I think the the band talks about it a lot to to make sure we remind ourselves in that way um but we’re probably in the best part of our career in terms of We’re the biggest we’ve ever been and we’re the happiest we’ve ever been and that’s really like that I can’t imagine that you know getting any better and a lot of that’s based in how grateful we are that we still get to do it and um we get to do what we love you know so we’re very appreciative of that now as someone who’s followed you guys quite a bit I’ve noticed the last few years the social media aspect has like you guys have really taken off with that given more uh of your fans a peak behind the curtain as someone who earlier talked about kind of being a shy guy you know pretty humble not like wanting to really maybe reveal too much what’s the adjustment been like giving people a look into your life you know it’s difficult and it still is I mean I think it’s I think um I think the thing that we’ve gotten a little bit better here in in the last is like because you try things right everybody’s like hey you got to do when we first started there wasn’t social media you know I mean there was Myspace that’s like you know it’s crazy how much of a career it’s changed where all oh all of a sudden this is a big deal and you need to be doing this every day and it’s so unnatural you know it’s always unnatural me to like you know record or message me looking in the phone that’s that always feels strange to me you know I’m 43 years old so I think what’s been cool is like the more we sort of see what our fans care about behind the curtain you know um which is which has turned in a lot to the stories we tell on the live show or at the meet and greets and we’ve just so we’ve got somebody around who can kind of capture those moments and really put them out there people to see if they weren’t able to be there that’s been um the thing that’s working the best but yeah it’s it’s a total challenge for somebody like me um it’s not I think people maybe think I’m rude at first or whatever they don’t realize because my live show Persona is so out there and loud and and and confident and those kind of things in order to do that I really have to save it up during the day I guess I’m getting used to it I also appreciate why people want that look because I’m that same way like you know you talked about Ben Crane’s one of my one of my buddies um as well so like but like a podcast like that like I’m gonna watch something like that I’m gonna I’m GNA find out all I can find out about you know this stuff so I do appreciate the tool now if if we still had Myspace today what would be your your song that you’d put at the top of it oh man well you know we have a song you remember that do you remember you could put the the song yeah yeah yeah yeah totally um I mean I remember our first record we literally got on MySpace And We messaged every person that liked certain bands that we thought were like us I that’s that’s how that was the old school marketing that you had to do um yeah I I would probably West xas win is one of my favorite songs of artist right now it’s um it’s one of those songs that that like on the record it’s okay to be honest with you you know we made made a record um during Co it was really quick and and and I love that part about it but we’ve been able to play that song live for the last couple years and it’s really turned into a moment in the show that just feels like man I could play that song 20 years from now and still love it so golfers go through slumps right I think you and I are in a continual slump with our golf games but right when you look at guys like spe and JT you know sometimes they can’t putt sometimes they’re struggling off the tea what are slumps like for you musically like what is your what continually kind of gives you trouble where you have to wrestle with it I I think I think um you know as a writer it’s different you know the the tour is different than the writing part for sure it’s like almost two different jobs um but in terms of the writing the music um it’s easy to start chasing you know I think I think that’s where it gets really dangerous um and what’ll happen is you you feel like well I haven’t written a great one I’ve been in there every day this week and I haven’t really written a great one let me start looking over here like what if I what if I was a little more like them or this or whatever it is and and it it I would say almost never works out out at all and then then you’ve kind of lost that instinct or trust in yourself and so that’s where the slump I think at least in my opinion comes from um and most the time if I will spend the days if I’ll go in there for a few days and not try to hurry not try to get something that’s going to be great stop thinking about the end of the song just you know it’s not a means to an end um don’t play golf yeah exactly exactly that’s what I need so uh and my wife needs knows that too which is which is nice she’s like you’re too stressed you need it please go play golf right now and come back and be sweet so is is when pro golfers when they change instructors is that similar to like when a band adds a member or loses a member I think you know what I think it’s like is a little bit like a producer you know it feels like to me um you know in our world we’ll we’ll hire a producer to make a record and normally we’ll make two or three of those records with that same producer and then we change and I think that’s a pretty natural kind of thing like um you know the in in the sense that the producers not making the music for you they’re just kind of being a mirror for you um and I feel like that probably is like what the coaching thing is like of course I’ve never been coached in that way so I don’t know exactly that’s my closest uh sort of parallel how how often are you practicing your swing you know like the invisible oh man when I’m playing a lot of it’s a ton and I W I mean it was funny V crane we were out at trior one day and he goes he’s like what you been working on I was like well I’ve been watching these videos he’s like stop watching the videos so I know that every golfer does that and um but it’s very hard I get on there to check the band stuff on Instagram whatever then you know there’s an instructional video right under I’m like well that’s interesting I should try so I’ve got way too much of that remember Russell Henley one time we were playing he goes bear he goes you know like I’m I’m a professional golfer I know I can play golf he goes what I’m working on this summer we were out there playing when I lived in Charleston and he’s like it’s just my wedge game between like 60 and 80 yards it’s like small things he’s like I can tell you’re working on about a thousand things and you’re not very good so let’s narrow this down a little bit yeah just have have no swing thoughts at all that’s that’s nor that’s why Seth is probably so good because he’s not thinking about anything except for playing the base and building tree houses do exactly it he’s got it easy now last serious question and then we’ll close with just a little uh quick game but I think it’s no secret that professional golf right now is in kind of a weird State I mean it’s a lot of a lot of you know boards and subcommittees and contracts and money what’s your biggest concern right now as a fan as someone who digests you know professional golf just as a regular guy like what’s your biggest concern right now with the game and kind of where it’s going yeah I think as as just like an you know somebody completely on the outside of it I think I think the obviously the division is not great for the game and and obviously you want the best players all to play in the same tournaments I mean that’s that’s it pretty simple I think the thing that I see just as being a fan for a long time is that young players really have a small window to become those big- Time Players you know what I mean and so like it’s not like you can just go Will’s allot tourus you know or somebody like that it’s like you know let’s just wait 10 years till this gets sorted out and then people can watch him play it’s like this is the this is sort of that Prime Time and obviously we’re watching Scotty go through this moment it’s like you know Tiger Woods esque it’s like that every all the eyeballs need to be on that for the game of golf and and I think that’s probably the thing that that hurts the most of of watching the tournaments and going man this you know maybe this field is not what it ought to be um and then anytime I mean I remember going through the lockout in baseball when I was a kid you know it’s it’s a similar kind of thing I don’t I have no problem with what guys get paid or or their values and all I don’t that has never bothered me watching sports um but I think when the conversation just like this is it’s like it’s got to be about all the the business every time you know what do you think about this how did you treat this live player this you know whatever all that that that is taxing on a fan for sure yeah I 10 tend to agree all right now we’ll we’ll close this off with a quick game now initially I was going to do hole in one in shank being favorite song from an album least favorite song from an album but then I realized that it’s very unfair uh for you to try to pick out a song that is your least favorite because all your songs are great uh so we’ll we’ll just do hole in one uh so hole in one translates to favorite song I’m Gonna list five of your albums just give me your favorite song from each of them okay first up uh we got to start with one of the ogs not not the initial OG but uh The Outsiders okay well I’m probably gonna go title track on most of these maybe but we’ll see but but Outsiders Outsiders that song has become one that we just cannot play a show without playing it really identified who the band was and not only who the band was who the fans of the band were um which that’s that’s a unique kind of thing of like everybody kind of wears that badge I think at our shows so I love that one what’s the feeling like when the banjo starts to that it’s always great because it’s like you know it’s what’s that song’s a sneaky rock song which which I love you know it comes on with a banjo kind of soft people don’t know this like when that song first came out this is pre Mumford and Suns and all that kind of stuff so there was banjo was like a really strange instrument at the time especially in pop music it was like whoa you’re doing Bluegrass you know um so that that felt sort of rebellious at the time and it still kind of does to me now this is also probably another title track for you but the Reckoning yeah um gosh I’m trying to think if other songs on there I’m so bad with the timeline on which songs were on which record um gosh I think this keep your eyes open right keep going what else have we got trying to fake out there was a song called uh oo and Oz right oh dude that song so I’m gonna go with that one actually you like yeah that that Reckoning record is a really cool record it was a lot of fun we made it right before the um we were going out with Taylor Swift um which was you know and our eyes were all big and like whoa this is crazy we’re this is really happening um so it’s very grandiose kind of like we’re gonna be playing Arenas and Stadium’s record and that usen a song was the first song we played every night on the Reckoning tour um so I’ve have great memories of that rivers in the Wasteland yeah uh well that song the song Wasteland actually which is kind of the title track is probably my favorite um mainly because we I wrote that at the end of the record it was the it was the last song that made it and it’s a live take in the studio so I just went in and cut it the next morning after I wrote it and that’s what’s on the album that’s a pretty emotional song that that might have been the one that got Scotty if you played that one yeah I mean that’s you know it’s it’s funny I tell a story sometimes like that song is I I set out to write the darkest song I could write I was in a really bad spot I mean the band had been working on this record in vaniz California for like six weeks and had about three songs done maybe so that’s that’s not a good that’s not very efficient um and so I was just in a really rough way the band was fighting it was all it was and and of course like people come up to me all the time like that song is so encouraging to me I’m like that’s amazing that it could be used for that and that you saw it in that way and then your gu sound changed a lot I think before the or through until this next record uh hard love yeah there’s a bunch of so that’s that record is a really good record song-wise it’s probably my least favorite record in terms of sonically it got it got kind of a little out of hand I thought um and I’m gonna give you a h what did you call it a shank there’s a song on there there’s a song on there I I’ll do that instead of hold one on this one it’s like but there’s a song on there called when I sing which it’s not a bad song in itself and it it had it was like one of those things where like a piece of the song’s good but not the whole song’s good and I feel like we like forced that on the record and we’ve never played it live and whatever so that’s I’ll give you a shank on that one there’s two versions to that isn’t there is there probably is there probably is is a little different yeah and I think we I think we really like grinded over trying to make the one part of the song that we liked into an actual song you know um which hopefully we’ve learned our lesson in that way sometimes the song Just is not going to reveal itself to you and then I I hate to skip over uh into the mystery but uh let’s do that one real quick and then let’s let’s close with caves so so give me okay yeah I think uh like I said I think that song West Texas wi is off end of the mystery that’s probably my favorite um on there it’s my in the my is my favorite record believe it or not um it’s the most personal um I love that and on the caves um gosh what song like how wonderful we are is probably my favorite song it’s one of those that or oh man there’s also a song called Hideway so I like I like I like both of those songs the the it’s been really interesting we’re playing some of those songs we can’t play the whole record so it’s we’re we got four or five in there right now so I’m sure next door we’ll play the other four or five and I like one of those but um yeah now to close I’m curious because you guys are starting a world tour soon do you play more of the the oldies considering the fact that people in other countries sometimes you know start listening to the older stuff uh a hold of that a lot sooner than they get a hold of the newer stuff yeah we try to put some sort of balance in there I mean it’s tough there’s 150 songs to pick from and we got two hours you know um so I think there’s a good sprinkling of like from all the albums there’s a couple songs in there there’s some old ones that we just we’re GNA Play No Matter What so it’s a matter of like changing them up and making them feel fresh um there are I don’t know four or five songs from the new record that we play um yeah we just try to we try to give enough I don’t think there’s an awareness I I’ll ask people almost every night we’ve been doing this over 20 years and we always say we’re the biggest band your friends have never heard of um so it is such a niche thing you’re like is why are 5,000 people here for this band you know we never had some big hit um and I’ll say who’s is your first time seeing the show and almost every night half the audience is brand new so I think that’s something that we’re aware of going like yeah I know we’ve done 2,000 shows but this is their first um so try to make sure you put the pieces of like what our story is you know where we came from and where we’re going that’s going to be great well bear uh thanks so much uh we know that you’re not going to be very far away from St Andrews when you guys are in the UK so um there’s some discussions because I’ve never played over there um I played k club one time back in the day so there’s some discussions of how we can like stay a couple days and maybe play some golf so we’ll see perfect well uh thanks again bear of course man thanks for having me I appreciate it
