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[Music] [Applause] [Music] oh Merry Christmas to all happy happy Draft Day bears are on the clock we’re here with all our people at the Breck Brewery Farmhouse of course like all our draft coverage we are presented by Raising Canes Raising Canes delicious chicken go to raising canes.com or their mobile app to order online raising K’s chicken fingers one love and we are also presented by Breer Rich Distillery products available in 50 states so shop your local retailer at Breen rdid distillery.com for home delivery of award winning Spirits we’re here Hank Jake I’ve got AR K around here talking to the people ding some bre and Rich Brew we’ve got Todd Davis in the house we’ve got all these people live draft party we do and we don’t know what to expect anymore not at all crazy top 12 there we go okay okay figuring things out and uh it’s coming through the microphone you love that crazy unpredictable top 12 as we talk through and figure out this audio Yeah Henry do you want to give me any notes on this no it’s uh it’s a pretty crazy day it seems like at this point the heavy favorite is for the Broncos to wind up with bonick somehow um wherever you look all the mock drafts all the all the Insiders leaving notes it it seems like the heavy favorite is for the Broncos to trade back find a way to get bow Knicks and to be honest that that’s not the most exciting plan to me but you know at least there’s some direction and if all goes well the Broncos have a quarterback for the next decade or more and if that happens then I’ll be happy to say I was wrong well Jake how are you feeling about all this extremely nervous yeah you seem nervous yeah you seem like uh you don’t know what’s coming I have no idea what’s coming I don’t know what to expect and I don’t know how I’m about to feel in about 3 and 1/2 hours when this thing’s all done what are you most scared of Jake um bonix what is it that scares you about bonix he’s 24 years old uh-huh um when he played in the SEC the best college football conference in America he played like a chicken with his head cut off and his decision making in impactful situation scares me yeah and I think the Auburn stuff is the stuff that most of us big college football heads are struggling to get over I was hearing one of the big National analysts talk about how it’s something he hears from NFL circles all the time like the Auburn stuff comes up it matters and it’s hard to get over but we have given Jaden Daniels a pass on that stuff I’m not as high on jayen Daniels as many other people um and it’s nothing to do with his talent it’s more so his durability I just don’t want to see the guy get snapped in half especially in orange and blue oh totally I mean I mean that’s a big fear I think did you see the picture that came out today of him walking down the red carpet and Cam Newton interviewed him I didn’t tell me everything well obviously while Cam Newton was interviewing him Cam Newton was standing right next to him and Jaden Daniels looked tiny like he looked about 6 Ines shorter he looked about 100 lb lighter and that for the first time was when I got nervous about it also do I see em M on the stage here yes Eminem and Roger Goodell can we Center that up a little bit the best uh the best matchup in in history we can Center it up thank you sir Ryan’s joining us hello [Music] Ryan I wasn’t coming on until the uh until the audio is fixed ah oh so it is fixed wow that’s smart sounds fix to me that screeching in my ears oh like that yeah I jinxed it h you did jinx it how are you feeling today Ryan I feel great man I have to say this um what a divisive time in Broncos Country yeah no people have just been being mean to me on Twitter for the last few days and I’m I’m ready to I’m ready to just move on I know so here’s here’s what I have to say because I have strong opinions on this yeah but no matter what we all have the same opinion on one thing which is that we want the Denver Broncos to win football games so my message is no matter who they pick whether you like them whether you don’t let’s rally around them and rally around the one thing that we can all agree on which is go Broncos it’s true and we’re in a situation where it’s uh in Shawn pton We Trust right now oh yeah we we have no choice so if Shawn pyton whatever route he chooses today is the route he chooses then we accept it and we are ready to see the plan and embrace it wholeheartedly right Jake Jake get on board okay there there are a couple plans that could take some time to get ready to embrace though five months until the season starts I’ve got plenty of time plenty of time to come around I need you to come around tonight no matter what we need you hyped do we buy into the The Conspiracy Theory you know Zach Wilson has number 10 now yes B Knicks wears number 10 also the only only quarterback number left is number 16 for the Broncos so whoever they draft is either buying a number wearing number 16 coming back no you’re thinking of Jake plumber no Bubby was six yep oh also you pulled out a jake plumber Zack Wilson comparison in your film room did I yeah I don’t think anyone compared him to Jake plumber ever bro oh no that’s not true uh Daniel Lance zerline Lance zerline did nfl.com wow yep I just got to say Jake plumber has a magnificent beard or had a magnificent beard yeah uh Zack Wilson couldn’t a beard if you wanted to no did you see the picture the picture that was a sick that that’s the best thing ever done yeah AI I would be I would actually be in if he looked like that really I like a rugged quarterback I don’t mind H that’s a little too rugged though honestly he looks like my cousin which isn’t a bad thing but I I want my quarterback with a big old beard flipping fans off on the sideline yeah that’d be amazing con Stabler basically I was thinking Jake plumber you’re really off right now yeah no I am I am this is true we got this is like your this is your day bro we need you Peak four he does not seem locked in I need to I need to restart the audio and the Roku and everything’s just throwing me off right we’ve got Nuggets coming the Bears are on the clock the Bears are on the clock yeah the Caleb Williams dream dies we had we were they were ahead for 3/4 on the Broncos and then it all came crashing down in a Russell Wilson fever dream of a fourth quarter comeback hated every second of it yeah okay and here we are hold on I can’t get off this 16 is the only number available right now thing no yeah no every other number disgusted by this so number one traymon Smith uhhuh number two pater tan you can’t cut him number three the kicker will Lutz four him no longer Jared did him who took number four is four open no it’s not open somebody stole number four Dam ah I can’t remember wow okay wow we’re going to have to do something about this cuz like you don’t just like draft Jaden Daniels and then make him wear number [ __ ] 16 no I mean that would be awful that that would hurt to look at curse is there kids here yeah no there is I’ll dial it back sorry sorry ey shot there’s like a couple I know I stopped myself from asking Henry remember when you saw Jake plumber he asked you if you’d ever had a bananas from saying that you’re allowed to say that because of the kids that’s that’s biology of bananas that was awesome banana Phil Dorset pink what Dorset Dorset for foret is what we should call number five Baron brownie number six hey yaaya can I get a little oh PJ can he hear me yeah yeah can I get a little sound in my headphones yeah yeah same here um I just uh did did they make the pick no we’re going to do they’re going to milk I wonder do you think this is like you know how we have a countdown before we go live to get get viewers in yeah sure right do you think like the NFL told the Bears like hey give us 10 minutes here yeah they’ve been do this for 10 years of draft yeah oh yeah I never thought of it from a viewership perspective oh yeah no this is what they’re doing um okay we got a request from Payton in the chat to not tip picks no we I mean that’s tell them to pause tell them to pause and watch us on a five 5 minute leg sorry no we’re not we’re not pretending we don’t know who Manning aka the sheriff AKA my guy you you pause right here let’s take a quick bathroom break let’s go just take a laer and then we’ll be on enough of a delay to where we won’t spoil pics but we are doing an online Draft broadcast it’s the ad AG we have on TV so we will be tipping off every single pick could you imagine like if we all just knew who the Broncos picked and we all just like sat and giggled and smiled at each other and didn’t say on the stream what actually happened you guys AR going to believe this Jake Jake’s just in silence like sobbing trying to not give it away that’d be incredible where would oh never mind I’m not going to do that right now oh boy I’m so so that sound I’m not loving the sound if you’re wondering what’s throwing me off it’s it’s the old whistle you know you know what a Banshee is oh boy a no a Banshee yeah I know what a Banshee is okay yeah it’s kind of sounds like one of those we’re talking about the one that you drive on the road or no no no there we go no see I didn’t I didn’t think so no it’s the thing that like it screams in the forest and if you hear it scream it means you’re going to die it’s like a it’s like a half half woman half demon type deal okay so I think if I’m correct a Banshee is the name of one of the vehicles that has two wheels in the front and one in the back really and then there was also a vehicle that kind of resembled that that you could use in Halo that was called a Banshee wow the Banshee flew in Halo yeah yeah but it kind of looked like it huh kind of yeah yeah that’s just not a good way to design things CU you want aerodynamic you don’t want wi that was just some Montana [ __ ] that you were on I don’t know maybe I’m I guess maybe they only live in Montana huh I haven’t tweeted out this stream yet so I’m going to yeah know that’s important that we do that um well they just need to take Caleb like what the hell are we doing here Jaden Daniels at two yep at the three at three there was a lot of talk of New England moving down now the latest report is New England’s going to stay there Drake May gets taken and JJ McCarthy remains a heavy heavy favorite to be the pick at fifth overall and I don’t think that’s to the Chargers for rumored to want JC leam and of course Marvin Harrison Jr should be locked in at four now the question is who moves up at five with the Chargers is it the gmen is it the Vikings would the Chargers trade with the Broncos what would it take to trade up with uh the Chargers the Chargers aren’t going to trade with the Broncos to let them get JJ McCarthy they they definitely will not unless Jim Harbaugh like no one knows him better than me behind closed doors he’s like this guy like JJ’s common smiley face prep the practice footage okay I have a a request oh um of the NFL so obviously the rumors came out that the Chargers want to trade Justin Herbert so they could get JJ McCarthy right you heard those rumors and then everyone was like dead cap not possible ball false yeah we heard the false I want the NFL to um create a clause yes known as the that would be electric clause and if a team like the Chargers wants to trade Justin Herbert so they can get JJ McCarthy the uh the that would be electric Clause gets to be enacted and 32 owners get to vote and if more than 50% of them vote yeah that would be electric then they can wave the dead cat wow or you could just transfer oh my God you flip it yeah you could and then and then you justify it and be like okay we gave him like $70 million in bonus we have to account for that just refund us for those bonuses yeah you you guys you guys pay us you take that dead cap and we’re good to go why wouldn’t we do this this isn’t the entertainment business that would be entertaining everyone wants to see what would happen if they traded Justin Herbert and got janger MTH yeah yeah it would be electric the thing is we we all want things like voting voting top seed to vote what wild card team do they play stuff like that when we have turned over to voting like Allstar games we’ve ruined it completely so I would warn against it much as that whistling in my ears is warning me against my own sanity the Banshees are coming dude I love a whistle in my ear Boer MTI Boer MTI sent us a Super Chat oh no no no no no the pick is in the graphic’s been up for like 30 seconds we got to hit that first the pick is in don’t spoil the pick Henry no we’re we’ve had the graphic the pick is in for 30 seconds tell him fine tell him oh uh it’s Caleb Williams are you sure Caleb Williams the Tweet coming just tweeted it all right oh well if R she tweeted you need to tell us okay you need to be on it are you r eight of those tweets run through here and I was R go on his electric uh I was [Applause] cooking for future reference those are exactly the kind of sidebars you could feel free to jump in and cut short I was the I got cook bro uh we’ve got chemistry I know and he’s a respectful guy we’re getting we’re getting signals like someone’s trying to land an airplane but um I’m giving the signal for Super Chat I think they cut the sound in the in the bar which is great great news for it is great news for us if anyone here wants to hear us just gather around gather around also the look The looks I was getting from people were enough like oh what fun analysis it was like I really hate you right now you’re ruining my experience we didn’t really have a great Rhythm because of the shrieking in our ears so there was a lot of oh I wonder was the worst for like people hear us people watching at home I like to imagine somebody who is like you know what I’m watching the draft all night I’m going to make this healthy I’m going to I’m going to go to the gym I’m going to put in some like airpods or something and then just bang just right directly in his ears it’s just you know that someone might have got in a car accident because of that okay it would definitely be worth that time driving home girl okay tweet out that we fixed that because we probably lost some viewers because of it let’s uh let’s hit that super chat too we should you want to talk about you want to cook on Caleb Williams let Jake cook let Jake cook he’s amazing man uh he’s got just a little closer oh sorry a little bit closer better there he is there’s my guy this is our first time ever doing a stream so before yeah we don’t do eight hours of these a day Caleb’s amazing he’s a unicorn he has one of the strongest arms not the strongest arm in this CL class he’s got the best improvisational skills the common comp is always Patrick Mahomes um and it’s because that’s how he plays if not more athletic he’s a phenomenal athlete he can run the ball he’s just an all-around weapon a threat to score from anywhere on the field I would say plays a little bit more like Fran tton but I mean they were splitting hairs there Archie Manning I don’t know what frame tton Clips you’ve been watching lately just watch no if you if you just turn on Fran Tarkington highlights you’ll be like holy [ __ ] that’s the white’ 7s or ‘ 80s or ’90s Williams Heisman winner the second he comes on for Spencer Rattler in the Red River rivalry he takes over makes some insane throws to Marvin Mims on the and uh you know he’s just an incredible talent I know a lot of people in the chat are choosing hate over love which like hey your your team this draft him I don’t I I’m with you like that’s fine I think it’s F I can’t I can’t blame anybody for choosing hate over love in any situation wow I can’t yeah no totally I I just have to say that uh one someone called him jenz Aaron roders and I haven’t been able to get that out of my head ever since and that can that’s a good and a bad thing yeah no there was a uh oh who was it it was one of those like notes before the draft things it might have been like Dan Graziano somebody like that who said one one NFL front office guy was saying like yeah you know it’s a weird personality it’s kind of like if Prince was your quarterback I love I love that one got my my brain going yeah Elite comp also Prince would would have been amazing quarterback we know he’s a great hoop great Hooper yeah and great one of the all-tim one the all time great musicians my girlfriend went to a party at Prince’s house once wow W no we can move along can we hit that Super Chat can we hit that Super Chat you guys are trying so hard to derail me no this is the ra this is our rail this is our rail okay huh this is our rail is a great um all right broker not me mavity broker mavid yeah said Caleb W is going to be a bust in my opinion spoiled CI boy I don’t think he has that dog in him that’s my hot take of the day look I he did start at Oklahoma deeply respect Caleb Williams Talent yeah but I also have been in in football locker rooms and specifically NFL locker rooms in my life and I think to act like his weirdness isn’t something to pay attention to is putting on blinders on purpose um so I’m not saying that’s going to make him a bus I’m not saying anything like that but he is weird there’s no doubt about it and so like it’ll be interesting to see how he’s received in the Bears locker room especially if things don’t work out early and I’m not going to say it’s like a good thing or a bad thing to paint or not paint your nails but I will say I don’t think I’ve seen a single Denver Bronco with painted nails like I said I’m not I don’t every Locker Room’s different every person is different how how he received is different but like yeah they’re ruthless in there maybe the Bears paint their nails well they’re also they’re handing him the keys you know they are big time handing this guy the keys they didn’t interview any other quarterbacks he’s already met with the team and you know I think the bigger thing is how entitled and how much he was handed the keys at in college right he’s like this new generation of nil yeah C alone I mean that he’s a professional quarterback blind he he doesn’t want to have a conversation you you never see a quarterback like he’s the first USC quarterback to live in a penthouse in La like it’s just it’s just a different vibe than like college quarterback back in the day I mean I would imagine you think Matt ler was was living in a penthouse no no I would bet Matt ler was living with three other boys I would bet I bet that were I bet he had I bet he had three room that’s what happen that’s what college football is supposed to be oh my gosh that’s what you do it’s it’s all like your buddies like on the graphic for that because that is that is a heavy breaking news thing well I’ll I’ll figure it out I’m I’m pretty certain about this okay a pick is in for the Commandos o um who J it’s Jaden Daniels Jaden Daniels okay damn it wow yeah see what people are saying about Caleb and the Bears will ruin him I kind of feel like that about Jaden Daniels and the Commandos that’s uh if you’re trying to get ruined as a Young quarterback go to the Commandos that sounds like a great plan yeah that sucks I’m sad Cliff kingsberry though might be a great match Scary Terry Jan doson and yet they’ll find a way to ruin him people don’t know that Henry and I were the original Jaden Daniels guys Jen Dani back in the day way back in Henry drafted him in in Madden like 3 years ago yeah no Madden 20 he was my quarterback with the Patriots it almost came true wow that’s crazy so let’s see yeah so Matt Leonard’s senior year his college roommate was suspended for violate NCA rules did not pay enough of his portion of the rent in the apartment he shared with Matt ler damn I would have Lov to suspend some of my roommates for that [ __ ] that really would be amazing that that’s what college football is it’s it’s not Diva Penthouse boys you know maybe in the FCS I think at USC it has been Diva Penthouse boys for I don’t know gosh 25 years plus I mean house boys is not not settling my the way Henry’s using boys is not the best um it’s not true it is the best okay so Jaden Daniels I was really excited about him I thought maybe he would slip but he gone he gone yeah uh I I put in a drink order with was Marissa I don’t know what happened to I just had a magical Mountain Beach Tower in front of me you guys which was meant to be for me let me tell you abouta our presenting sponsor good time for good time for that couldn’t you tell magical tender chicken fingers that you dip in cane sauce oh yeah Heavenly and was it is it J Mike that does the thing where he takes oh yeah he takes the Texas toast and he slaps slaps the chicken in there and the Texas toast Sando with some cane sauce cuz you know it’s a lot of breading if you’re not putting some cane sauce on true and it’s it’s Perfection perfection in a bun one would say no in Texas toast 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even better I think Drake May literally only played in the Mayo Bowl Dukes wa he didow okay have you guys had duk’s Mayo no bro hey no free ads yeah no free ads come on all right let me just say if I was going to put it on some raisin canes fries it would be amazing I have to apologize to raisin canes I was not familiar with their game I know right this is like Prime I know this is this is legit ass game yeah you’re getting roped up my I can’t believe I’m going to be caning it up on the golf course this summer I didn’t see that coming I didn’t see that coming did not see that coming so at three this is the big pick yeah do you believe the reports that they’re staying here and do you believe it’s Drake May because I was starting to believe I hope they take Drake May that JJ could be the pick here there was a second this morning Ryan where JJ McCarthy next team the favorites were the Patriots at plus 160 is that a trade Drake May oh Drake may yake may Drake May number three okay New England Patriots good bad or neutral for the Broncos by the way I asked you if this was a lock this exact three order you were like no not a lock I placed the BET bang that just hit dang I meant to ask you for your bet today I was so busy today over 7 and 1 half pack 12 guys we got one off the board already wow yep yep it’s going J Daniel should count the pick is in it’s Drake May going to play for Gerard Mayo he who used to play in the Duke’s Mayo bow so bang may may may lots of May um H this is good for me now I realize that this is a polarizing uh class of quarterbacks but I I did not like Drake may I wouldn’t have wanted him if he fell the 12 to the Broncos wow I uh I I I don’t know that I go that far but yeah I’d rather have penx I do think best case scenario in terms of getting penic would be a receiver going off the board here but that seemed like a stretch anyway um at least as recently yeah Drake may I mean conspiracy theory of penx to 13 to the Raiders oh boy oh do you remember no no sorry it came to me last night super late and then I remembered and then I remember this is going to be good a good one yeah no it was late too so what if the Raiders don’t actually like Michael penx what if to that what if what if sometimes there isn’t fire so you’re saying someone else is trading up to 13 to take it or what if maybe the Broncos have kind of liked Michael penck all the way through this entire draft and that’s why there’s been no buzz because it’s just like oh what are they going to do what are they going to is it going to be mod what if they actually do like Michael P and what if what if the Raiders realized and that’s why the Raiders just start saying hey Mr Sher we’re thinking 13 maybe maybe we’re going to be going after this penic guy here to stop the Broncos from Trading down getting more instead they just take him at number 12 wow subscribe yes there he is sub cuz all the mocks this morning bang Panic 13 penic at 13 penic at 13 Drake may look so uncomfortable he’s just used to that because of the protection he had also going to New England that’s a terrible spot man yeah they’re getting raed right now you could almost really yeah it’s a shitty organization it is you you could make the case though that of all these quarterbacks other than kale kaleb’s always in his own conversation Drake May might be the most built for this particular situation oh he’s you show up you have no help you just go and do your crazy things and see what happens that’s what he did last year yeah and as much as we hate on him no college football player counted for more total yards over the past two years than Drake May NFL scout G is about just adding bigger stronger dudes and seeing if they pan out and Drake May is that my thing about Drake may I don’t think he’s great in any category yeah that’s a that’s fair arm strength I that’s where I think the biggest thrown on the moves I think that’s where the biggest Miss is on him I really don’t think his arm is like that he has easy power he’s had some the last couple years that definitely have stood out to me like that he has easy power like the when he doesn’t step into it but he isn’t Joe Milton he isn’t Drake May or sorry Josh Allen he literally is Drake May he’s got uh he’s got that’ be crazy if I mean look at this yeah look at that thing floating off his back foot lobbed into the air I mean it was like a fade away that he does have he does have an easy throwing motion I’ll give you that but I don’t think the ball pops off of his hand like some of the better armed guys in the NFL yeah no I I agree I think there’s a tier above him thank you yep and that’s pennx is JJ McCarthy a tier above him JJ is just a bit I would probably take May over McCarthy but I just go back and forth on those two oh arm strength the the easy the easy power that may has sometimes where like he doesn’t says feet that might be the tiebreaker but I think in general it’s pretty similar I think drank May is a guy there was a little Prospect fatigue on maybe yeah I think most years that guy goes first over all he’s from a family of athletes of course he is very athletic probably more athletic than many people give him credit for he can run the ball he a lot of the analytics people are like he’s the best over the-middle thrower in the class so got a little touch to him yes he does he knows how to layer the ball so it’s just consistency y yeah yeah and learning the like that’s my thing is I feel like have its develop in this last season right he just doesn’t like he knows football like somebody’s going to need to like bring him up there and just be like okay here’s what we’re doing like here’s how you identify oneon-one here’s how like here’s how you win football games like he just doesn’t seem to have like a good feel for like the art of ball knowing I mean you know yeah like I feel like that’s number one is you just have to teach him like I know that win I know that sounds crazy I know that sounds crazy but like Zack Wilson was the number two overall pick in uh the NFL draft correct Henry immediately after the Broncos traded him traded for him pulled out the clip of him throwing to the flat against the Broncos the guy getting tackle bounds and then taking three points off the board at the end Z is here oh up Z how long you guys got me excited I thought like something actually good happened oh wa well what if he popped on for uh okay I read his but I can’t hear so this is going to be a really cool interview and I actually remember doing this last year because the exact same thinged we can’t hear Zack so all we can do is ask him questions oh man and he can give us yes or no that people get what he said in the comments right okay let’s just start with the big one are is number four in play for the Broncos is there a chance they they they try to go get that you got to give us body language yeah okay thank you thank you okay okay oh man H if if I’m sorry to cut you off Zach but I’m actually not because I don’t think anybody else can hear you either oh no the CH hear him yeah so apparently we’re just going straight yes or no this is a oh no okay okay okay here we go um okay so Four’s off what about five is five in play Oh Chargers that’s a Chargers know that’s a Chargers does JJ McCarthy slip to seven the the people the people can hear him so you can go back to answering but please give body language also oh he hopes JJ slips to seven that is his guy look at that smile you can just tellon is about a quarterback from people inside the building to all the media that are here it’s all about quarterback whether it’s b mix 12 whether it’s trade love or up forj right now with great three to the Patriots it’s kind of been a dream scenario for the Broncos how this draft has played out with JJ because I do believe JJ is number one quarterback falls seven then Ana whereon to seven or eight the B are also going to be a play right there too incredibly I could get the vibe of what he was saying he was like the Broncos are really trying their best to move up for JJ McCarthy right now it’s all about the quarterback for the Broncos and JJ McCarthy is the apple of their eye of course he said it way more eloquently the real Insider [ __ ] I can’t believe our listeners get to hear it and I don’t and if I could throw one more request out there just when you’re talking a little more lip just give us a little more to read there if you could just like there there we go that’s what we’re looking for um so so Zach it looks like you are at the Broncos facility the the pat Fieldhouse Marvin Harrison J oh Marvin Harrison Jun did the Cardinals wow he told us four was off the board try boys sorry uh Zach so it starts up your feeling if it’s not JJ McCarthy what’s the move for the Broncos B I don’t think it’s going to be Michel J I’m looks like a couple bees B I think bon bon it was Brock bers bonck in a trade down Zack trading down to get bonck quarterback quarter he’s not even talking damn I got it um so so penx is is penx if if it’s a if if you think penck more likely won okay so we don’t even need to play a finger game it’s bonix really I think you thought he was say Bon he was saying penx ah but Zack what if all the Zack what about this what if all the bonck stuff was just smoke and penx actually as the apple of their eye it could be that that could be the way that it plays out but everything that I’ve heard is that know the the Bon stuff over is legit so I do think it wa you could tell he meant whatever he said at the end that’s definitive right there dang okay well I think we’ll start talking about bonix I think and do you want do you want to give your take on bonix first before you go do things that a lot of other people don’t think he can do but that is going to wow you with what he’s able to do uh with his mind and so if Shawn pton drafts him it shows the bow Knicks past those test and flying colors thanks Zach great insight as always uh we’ll talk to you soon after the Broncos make their pick and you hear from the uh the people who made that pick thanks Zach goodbye bye Zach bye Zach best the luck at the valley wow I wonder what he said um I know if the chat would only let us know I saw person said the chat said Z Zach said Henry smells like cheese how how would he even know that from there he I mean like Psy or something you a lot oh yeah yeah I feel like in particular right now I don’t know how he knew that so guys the draft has officially started the first four picks went chock which like every year it goes chalk at the top I’m so bored I’m so tired of drafts going chalk but now the Chargers at five can they resist do they take JC leam is this where the Giants move up just one pick to take JJ McCarthy if so and the Chargers stuck at six and took JC leam I would been win a big big bet on that because you know draft setion I was thinking ah had was that the one that was two to one Paul Noah or even bigger no this was like 6,000 oh um so Marvin Harrison Jr and Kylie Murray that’s kind of fun h i mean if you’re H as fun as it could be they got rid of rondale so they missed they lost him okay where did rondale go where did ronell go oh boy oh Jesus did you ever have that dip that was called Rondell play lots of free ads today for me right Tennessee I’m looking it up Tennessee is not Rondell I think it’s more of like a French thing Falcons Falcons he’s a dirty bird he’s a dirty bird I was right about something about the south um B Nick though who do you think on this set likes B Nick the most Dre yeah I think Dre yeah sell us Dre yeah no so here’s the thing like uh two of the biggest analytical factors you should look at for quarterback success touchdown percentage per on a per attempt basis of yards per attempt ooh average depth of Target yeah yes bonex leads this class in both metrics wait in terms of deepest that’s correct there’s no way oh no there is way because all you do is R Twitter and see clips and you don’t actually grind the film we’re all grinding the film is not where you find advaned metric we’re all stuck in this Loop where we think he only throws screens and actually the guy was throwing it for a lot of yards and for good deps you were you tracking his depth of Target when you were watching the film that’s how you got that number no I looked this up oh okay and then it was like damn from what draft Twitter was telling me I thought the opposite he does throw a lot of screens and then um screeny boy 33% of his passes Chargers are keeping number five keeping number five JC Le the first offensive lineman and we’re happy and so and then he showed some real polish right so he went for it he could Sling It Down field but he also showed some real Pol this season he was throwing it with Supreme accuracy and supreme confidence and his game was kind of at the next level where he’s starting to do some my manipulation stuff and what have you to where now people in the chat are saying like oh he’s just the game manager I mean yeah right right he is and he’s I don’t even know that g maner he’s falling into another fallacy right wrong the guy had to figure it out not well yeah eventually right same as Josh Allen took Josh Allen six years seven don’t hate right now just all all right um but then if you go back to like the iron bll that he won as a freshman against the Bama defense Shock full of NFL talents you see the off platform you see the ability to improvise to sling it deep to run around and be a dual threat so in a lot of ways he has both he just wasn’t very consistent at Auburn which was a complete trash f high and uh you know if we can get over the age thing and the Auburn stuff a surprise Joe Al [ __ ] sorry Dre well I lost a lot of money and just make matters a little worse bonck 6.9 yards average depth of Target penck 11.4 the car no CL 11.4 11.4 for pen 6.9 for Bon I’m not looking through all of them he’s looking up at liar PFF now average Target where did you find it no it’s average it’s yard per he did yes ATT yes yeah catch and run what depth of Target more the receivers did the wor well the running backs did the receivers too did the wor I mean I can throw the Bucky ear no seven seven uh seven yards is like the average that said 6.9 is good9 is High compared to other uh compared to others late career Drew Brees was around 6.8 so there are some like matches there no you got to compare it to colge here’s the thing about uh I do not know those about B Nick and it’s it’s something that I think Broncos fans have to really consider um bonix is old but same age as and Michael P Shawn pyton is not thinking about the 10year plan for the Denver Broncos I’m sorry he really just isn’t thinking about the 5-year plan for the Dem bronos and so if he thinks bonix can cut it he doesn’t care that he’ll be 30 years old when he signs his second contract because he just wants to win a Super Bowl in Denver and then ride off into the sunset I don’t know if modic is the guy to do that but I’m just telling you the age thing I think you have to throw out the window I think bonex could be a really good pick I just don’t think at 12 when you are in this kind of situation and same my same complaint about Drake May which that he’s not great at anything is definitely true of bonex no accur that’s right it’s a I’ve talked about with bonic a lot is how high how Elite are those raw tools where are those true anchor traits right MH and I think yeah a Herz plan like the eagles did where it was like I’m not sure this is our guy but we’ll take a flyer on him and see where we’re at in a couple years that could work with B knck who and you know Herz was drafted in the second round yeah no totally overall is just no that’s my favorite just tough that was that was your when you made that comp I was like holy [ __ ] that’s who he is it’s Jaylen Herz with a lighter arm and he’s not as fast so JJ McCarthy has made it out of the top five yeah that’s big I mean the odd half that it might be time to get Todd on here well I the Todd father talk which we actually shouldn’t say because he’s literally sitting with his father so that but he also is he is so I guess they’re both Todd fathers and spiritually is kind of our father it’s our Todd father he is my Todd father no I’m not saying that where who’s going off uh I’ll jump off okay is he coming in now go tap him in it’s like it’s WWE or whatever yeah it is it is Ryan good very good he does ball WWE they don’t have a ball on that dang I’m going to miss your Tweet deck that was nice to have yeah I got your Insight you need to be on top of the noties bro so the rumors about the that they’re sneaky interesting a quarterback but also that that quarterback was Drake May yes it was Drake May yes so where does that leave them here so if we get past this Prime trade up spots 6 seven8 become Pride trade up spots and Ryan if you move up to seven or eight you don’t have to give up a future first maybe a future third but not a future first if the Broncos pick JJ McCarthy at seven yes yes yes would John Elway be willing to unretire the number cuz we have this numers dilemma right now absolutely not wait like if if if I mean Frank trauka did it for pton Manning Frank tra’s Family did Frank had passed and that was pton Manning not a college guy who didn’t even wear number seven in college RP I don’t think that’s true I’m pretty sure I think Frank was with us was he maybe he died after not just Spirit just rest in peace though leg oh the pick is in holy [ __ ] give it to us Malik neighbors wow oh okay JJ’s making it to seven let’s go I would just like to say we in a tag team cage match let’s go neighbors neighbors at neighbors neighbors at six there were some crazy things coming out today I think was it shefer field see I never know everybody puts out these notes godamn it you don’t need to them but they deserve it the the note was though you do need to say one of the big conversations and one of the areas where teams differed on Malik neighb was the coachability some people said he’s not coachable he’s kind of just an ass and others said like he’s just so competitive yeah that it’s actually a skill that that’s the way that he approaches things but he went so far as to say a dog that there’s at least one team that thinks he ran the second 40- yard dash just as like a an Fu to Marvin Harrison for not running a single one oh I like that he’s got the dog in him he does have the dog in him there’s no doubt about the do say is that what he said he has that do that dog in or he has a dog in him there there was just one more like aition in there or something um by the way if this was a tag team steel cage match inside him he has that dog inside him if this was a tag team steel cage match we would be [ __ ] oh we would all just got our fourth never got tagged in and our fourth was Tod and speaking of neighbors I wish I had one right now but I know tagged in at all no call do you think J didn’t talk to Todd at all I think so I think so I’ll text I’ll text on this isn’t how Tag Team Works no it’s not how Tag Team Works Jake I’m sorry to say also when you tag someone in they’re supposed to reading the show yeah he’s he’s really responding oh all right all right all right so it’s a family thing it is a family thing which is fair which is fair but JJ’s in play and our prod AR pay attention all you needed was J to survive past this point and he has he has also do the Vikings like JJ that’s been a big rumor but was it or is it another note from today do they actually have some some concerns about whether it’s no penx was the one is it penx at 11 or is it giving up more assets for one of these guys purple right those were the rumored internal conversations wow yeah I mean the real Connections in this draft class work Jaden Daniels to the Raiders cuz there’s an Antonio Pierce ASU connection Caleb Williams to the Vikings cuz then in purple in Minnesota the prince cops really right themselves oh uh J sorry commanders with the clip can we please put Jake’s microphone on oo that’d be my vote wow we got sales we got sales producing shows let go wow yeah I don’t know y has been a little little we’re we’re persevering um thank you you are never off when you go have some delicious raisin canes uh that is true what’s your favorite part of the raising canes the sauce the raising or the canes so I always actually thought that it was raisin canes uhhuh as in like the the dried fruit ra as in like you dro the G and throw an ay on there but it kind of sounds like the drive-thru but no there is a g for all of those who uh who are wondering it’s also not silent like lasagna good crispy chicken Texas toast and then that cane sauce oh they got that cane sauce in them don’t forget the co sa I would have that you’re SLO guy big SL guy I don’t like to up too too much oh my god um but you know cooked order hand bread and chicken fingies race in 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a thing well Kobe bran are you saying he doesn’t love thy neighbors wow yeah wow yeah yeah so too much dog would be like MJ has to be suspended for 2 years cuz he’s such a dog that when he’s off the court he has to gamble to get that competitor juice oh you’re talking about this you’re doing conspiracy theories right now secret secret MJ suspension I don’t think that’s a I think that’s entered the realm like why didn’t we do that with uh the FBI introduced crack to communities like I think Ian it is true it is true I’m just an example so glad we’re not on we would brought it up I’m so thankful we’re not on this that is absolutely that is it’s s confus the it’s proof of fact though I see movement the rec come to bear it’s proof of fact though I’m just going to tell you something if you’re ever trying to say something’s not a conspiracy don’t talk like that just I could do my own Alex Jones style show if I could do that tone for an hour I’d actually watch that I actually believed it until you started talking and then I was like oh this I know I know okay bring we need your laptop oh the pick is in the Tennessee Titans number seven T JC leam you guys guys this is all working out really Wella and penx and JJ McCarthy are still here Todd they’re still here can you believe it I actually I can I can’t can you believe it Todd I think Penny should have went first so really okay let me just get your feeling on this are you in on McCarthy what do you mean do I like him yeah um I haven’t seen enough on tape to like him okay oh you didn’t get your hands on the practice film yeah you know I didn’t get it damn I think he’s solid but I don’t know if he’s a first round pick in my opinion okay all right yeah great team great running back great online great receivers and they never highlighted him once five star recruit they did now it’s true the only thing I’ll say about that and it’s a good point is it’s what many will say is the knock on JJ McCarthy very particular situation at Michigan this year uhhuh where you know they’re being accused of spying on other teams no they did no it sounds like it’s proven right that’s not a conspirations and about five games into the season it kind of seems like they shut it down and said you know what we’re going to win these games until we hit Penn State in November we’re winning the next six by like four touchdowns and we can just rain it in go totally vanilla don’t show Penn State and Ohio State anything and just you know and JJ was kind of suffered from the fact that he’s in this vanilla offense that they’re not really trying to show anything and just get through it and Penn State and Ohio State they largely were able to beat by just running it down their throat and not needing much from JJ right oh so you know when you were you know breaking that down I thought you were going to say and then pen house that he bald out but they still didn’t need him we were having at all we were having a conversation about Malik neighbors earlier yes uh very fast very good at football almost Flawless um some concern though that he’s too competitive not super coachable because he’s just there might be too much dog in him is there is there is that possible as too much dog Todd no I don’t think so you can never have too much dog you’re talking to a guy who played with a to leave that is true I’m too much was maximum dog and I still like if there was more I would have loved it I don’t think that’s a thing I agree completely I guess no such thing it’s too much dog cuz what is like too competitive like Michael Jordan two competitive worst thing happens ised for a season and a that’s how competive you may punch your teammates in the face but I mean we’re winning you know that’s a dog they probably deserve to be punched in the face too they probably did something to help lose Bobby Daniel Jones yeah they probably drafted him and on the call were like hey Malik I need you to Sock him in the wow guy’s got to wake up right away damn and he was the man for the job Drew lock does have that dog in him there are some other complaints but he has some dog I wonder if maybe that little neighbor Drew loock connection oh wow might make a little more sense than the Daniel Jones I don’t know I do have to say uh Malik neighbors chain best thing I’ve seen from anyone tonight yeah it was dope that went crazy it’s that nil money baby yeah well once you declare for the draft your agent can give you money yeah they kick you a little bit they do yeah man the Titans taking JC leam that’s a very like a vable pick but freel’s not there anymore yeah who’s there the coach you’re guy damn it drum roll [Music] please oh wow wow I’m blanking I’m blanking oh man back in the roster where he from back in the Broncos roster um not back of the NFL coaching roster oh man son of a a second chance guy yeah actually it’s a per so we’ve just done a lot of conspiracies son of a coach who finds himself caught up in some NFL conspiracies Steve bellich that’s a good one that’s a good one oh any kubc no oh no Andy Reed’s son I think is in jail so not him whoa Brian Callahan oh Brian Callahan that’s right you ever heard about his dad coaching the Raiders lost the Super Bowl so guden could win it and they could all stick a tow Davis do you ever heard that we’re going all onir who are you guys party was on a Saturday night Bill Callahan is uh a accomplished NFL and football mind the only thing I can think of him uh think about when I think of him is when he coached in Nebraska I know in his last game against the Buffs it was on ABC and someone had a sign that said ABC adio spill Callahan and that’s pretty good I just love it wow that’s great that’s great okay Atlanta 8 Atlanta 8 are they milking it is this trade time the Broncos don’t have to trade up right now uhhuh well the question is are the Vikings going to move up for but again the rumors today were that they might sit at 11 because they like penic for the value at 11 better than McCarthy or may trading up eight and nine are were said to be hot trade down spots well yeah nine is quarterback Romo dunesday still available so why not why not wait till 9 when Chicago’s on the bar trade back Kings and then then start moving unless you think Minnesota’s going up it’s but moving up three spots is not expensive it’s that of chicken it’s it’s not super expensive the fact it’s a quarterback makes a little more expensive you could just say you’re trading up for someone else the best with no shirt underneath with the chain you ever rock that look uh did that yeah no honestly surprisingly I don’t even think I have the vest I don’t think I have a zippy vest you have no ve that’s my point that’s why I can’t do it it’s an upset that’s why I know right that’s that’s not why you thought I hadn’t done that before yeah that’s actually for two on those accessories Y trading up to number eight for the Broncos should mean no future for Y and you probably can get away with not giving up this year’s third so just this year’s a fourth and a fut third might do wow wow you think so to go from 12 to 8 that’s what field Yates was projecting for the Vikings trading up to seven was a few a fourth this year and a third next year boy that’s not bad the pick is in for the Falcons whoa I did not see this one coming Michael pen Jun wow to the Falcons they showed it already uh delayed they need to stop with all this hoopla we need to see panex qb4 wow I did not I didn’t see that coming at all that drives with my rankings and a little bit of hype about this like this was possible James Palmer on the Pod with you guys was say yeah he brought it I mean Kurt Cousins what you got two years and now you get a Young quarterback to kind of learn and kind of groom him like he should be 26 by the time he’s a starter not old who cares if you’re like Tom Brady you canay to you’re like 49 now right get the Fountain of Youth maybe I mean maybe like full health in the knees and shoulders for not playing for a couple years I think KT cousins has coming off an injury himself and you know you never know think of how old Kirk Cousins is he was drafted in the Andrew Luck RG3 draft okay I just got to say this that was like a dra like right before me holy [ __ ] he’s old I’m just saying the sitting here with us Russell Wilson was also in that draft class right uh tanah Hill also in that draft class seems to me most of those guys retired or over the hill say this this is as much as I like Michael penx Jr for the Broncos this is a bad pick by the Falcons I don’t I mean like what are you do what is your plan you went and spent a billion dollars on a quarterback to just draft another quarterback you trade Kirk after the season teams trade for quarterbacks or what no but you don’t think they trade for him an a ARP subscription I mean I’m not trading for him but it’s they every somebody always wants Kurt Cousins I think it doesn’t make sense I think signing Kurt Cousins to the monster deal you did is a win now move and this is not a win now the thing I don’t like when the Broncos signed pton Manning and then drafted Brock Osweiler in the second KK cousins isn’t actually going to win you anything though he’s a bridge like penx can actually win you guy you don’t think so he can win a Super Bowl no he can’t win why you pay all that money if he’s a bridge he can be a good quarterback but I don’t think mil is not a bridge quarterback it shouldn’t be but I don’t I don’t see him WI a Super Bowl also former Todd teammate kurk cousins there is for Big Money KK big money KK there’s a ceiling to what you can do with KK cousins right like you might be able to win the NFC South are you contending for Super Bowls also I find the contrast between the two quarterbacks that the Atlanta Falcons now have just incredible they’re going to be best friends well they both wear chains her cousin never an Atlanta quarterback I really wanted us to have like a dmvr branded dag yeah that would have been dope it would have been so good will run Atlanta huh my guy my guy Neely really wanted shador to Atlanta that dream is definitely dead now yeah yeah well in the end we’ve had uh talk about modern football four quarterbacks two wide receivers one left tackle that’s your top eight pi oh yeah well one’s the right tackle actually okay JY leam the one old school football guy I guess I wonder how he feels about that like nobody wants to get picked eighth overall to sit like yeah I know especially for him in my opinion he was either like the second best quarterback in the draft like he’s to me absolutely ready he’s absolutely ready in retrospect isn’t it like a godsend why would you guys who have the benefit of waiting though it works it always works out if you’re going to pick a guy to sit behind Kurt Cousins for two years why would you not pick the 21-year-old because he’s not as good because Michael penx can pick you apart he can hit every part of the field he’s got a massive arm he’s proven like that’s a great quarterback I mean I if he’s I I had him above Drake Nate too like me too me too me I don’t think the situation changes it it it should he’s still the better quarterback you still got to take who’s better not just like who makes sense to sit us penx believers do need to feel good about this it’s true all makes no sense it doesn’t feel it makes no sense that’s all I’m saying it’s true Oh Henry let’s see it 26-year-old first chance maybe whoa whoa whoa no what happened the the word Broncos was in a tweet but about the Bears and the next pick at nine oh Zack just mentioning great tweet Z the Bears on the clock bears bears won’t trade uh oh man the Bears won’t trade uh with the Vikings sorry reaction party this is crazy we’ve been so wait does that mean you move up to nine since they’ll trade with you does that mean you move up to 10 to the Jets to just snipe it’s just a strange no the Bears will give you a good deal to stop the Vikings from getting who they want also the Vikings little All City Connection the Vikings waited till 9 to take JJ what do you mean that wasn’t the plan at seven they could have moved up to seven and done this maybe they didn’t get they didn’t like the the price or they didn’t want to trade seven this is an interesting situation but if I’m the Vikings GM I’m calling the Bears right now and saying we’re taking Romo dun if you if you trade with the Broncos right and then it’s time to call the Jets at 10 see what you can work out no then the Broncos actually win because they just no they don’t I remember that play you got to make the move made give him the extra fourth just to get it done yeah at this point it’s well worth for CH it’s always perfect the man can sling The Rock oh I’m sad that we don’t get to watch him dang I’d be hyped JJ McCarthy here I would be I’m I’m sad as a football fan that we aren’t going to get to watch Michael PX Jr play anymore no I got that I was was changing topic as I said on my tweet today I’m in on JJ McCarthy because I think Shawn Payton is incredibly in on JJ McCarthy and that excit to me does it make you nervous that after the hype I guess this is kind of like JJ McCarthy sliding pick is in for number nine Romo dun Romo dun Romo dun so so two more picks before the Broncos okay so now you got to go up with 10 I think it honestly just justifies what we all saw with our eyes you know where he really yeah JJ’s intriguing and he’s lost one game his whole college career he’s done [ __ ] that no Michigan quarterback has maybe ever done but yeah there’s a lot of holes in this game there’s a lot of refinement that still needs to occur here also and to that point I would probably say the team has done stuff that no Michigan quarterback has done not necessarily 100% 100% you know you know who else in the past decade has played 20 games and has only lost one game as a starter in college football Trev no 20es uh Brett rien no uh Joel bur no Kevin more trick question JJ McCarthy is the only one everybody else lost at least two games the past that check out um okay so this is we’re we’re this is the we’re in the mix now this is this is intense also shout out to chgo who has basically been saying uh Caleb Williams and Romo Dunes for like six months it just hats up like you have a chance to get a freak receiver at nine like it felt like the board was going to fall so he’d still be there it’s awesome don’t they go get Brennan rice later too just we’ve got three you could three pack 12 players off the board for my over seven and a half I mean all of these were projected I guess he was 3 today to go in the first round but his over under was 32 and A2 like they never changed that they just changed the juice I mean no the Atlanta thing is crazy man these next two picks are intense I don’t know if you’re the Broncos this is but are you playing chicken at this point and saying Vikings we know you don’t want JJ Todd how validated do you feel right now I feel very validated you know I have a different way of evaluating quarterbacks than other people apparently yeah like like sea pton me and him have the same way I knew what I saw on taped you know what I’m saying now like everything it’s just all valid yeah we were right we said penni was much better over and over and over and over Vikings just traded up with the with the Jets Jets working on trade Vikings trade up to 10 yes Vikings trade to 10 so that’s McCarthy right got to be McCarthy got to be that sucks so what are we going guys we got to go uh defense we can get the best defense to play off the board yeah or bonix no I mean I me sorry Brock Brock Brock B Brock B Bon sorry Brock B the bees that was Turner quinon Mitchell yeah Brock Bowers Byron Murphy I want I want Brock Bowers that’s all right yeah let’s uh I’m caught up in The Vibes right now because I thought we were going to have a really exciting night let’s see but uh this is okay this is okay this is this is this is my original plan here the shador plan I think trading back right now wouldn’t be a bad idea either I think that’s the ideal I back into Infinity for I I wouldn’t trade back with Brock browers on the board like to me he’s just the kind of guy who’s worth it like I’d rather have Brock Bowers than have two guys in the 20s or whatever that he’s a freak he changes the offense we need someone like on full-time Twitter Duty right now I know it keeps fading oh let me take it off the uh battery saver or just bring Jake over Jake just come stand here with your computer um up the date baby yeah he’s got the Tweet deck going so he doesn’t have to refresh anything so announc the trade yeah the the parties seen the trade they they wanted I’m not going to lie I’m not a JJ McCarthy fan I I was excited about him just cuz I felt like there was a chance that Shawn pton it was his guy but he the Broncos could have made this trade for sure I would imagine they tried if the Vikings wound up actually trying to make this pick well they could have made it potentially unless the Bears were really locked in on Odun when was the last time Shawn pyton traded back 2007 yeah his second year as a coach with the Saints second now his second year with the Broncos um Vikings and Giant M made offers to the Patriots no Broncos according to rapi why would they trade up oh if somebody else anybody else could jump up it doesn’t just have to be the Broncos um gave up picks 129 and 157 also got 203 back Bron if JJ was their guy they could have beat that easily 100% so we didn’t find a guy so we got Zack Wilson so it was more than an insurance policy yeah unless they drop bonck to 12 in which case going be a hell of night it’s going to be a hell yeah I mean maybe Drake Maya the app of their ey or maybe it was pennx you know and Atlanta kind of uh sniped him with that eighth pick I think right now a trade down would be just what the doctor ordered replenish those coffers it’s all about 2025 when you’ll have a ton of cap Y and the number one pick no that’s exactly right endure for shadur I mean shadur and JJ mcarthy I was looking at that 2025 class and to me you know you’re projecting similarly and shadur was the guy who was graded higher I would take shador over JJ McCarthy or Bon or earlier in the season by like Mel Kyper as well right like when shador was thought of a potential draft pick before it was clear he was just coming back to to be with prime pi is in JJ McCarthy JJ McCarthy at 10 I’m not going like I five of the top 10 are quarterbacks y i i i have pic higher than him so yeah me too and that’s why like if if I was in the Broncos position again this is why I’d be a terrible GM because I feel I don’t handle the pressure well I probably would have panicked and taken him even though I don’t like him because he is a quarterback no I think I would have but I do think think makes thought of him though uhuh yeah cuz you wouldn’t have had to give they wanted him they had that opportunity to move up and get them and they stay put yeah but that could that be because they love bow Knicks no we have to entertain that it sure could be yeah could be six quarterbacks in the top 12 I actually could see uh the Broncos instead of trading up for JJ McCarthy say let’s keep those picks and we’re going to take Brock Bowers here at 12 and then we’re going to jump up to 31 or 32 later and get Bon I know but how do you make that jump without having gotten some Capital by first trading down you don’t have a second yeah to trade from what 40 like 60 something in 76 oh right cuz they don’t have I see what you’re saying so you’d probably have to give up next year’s first to get into the first you might if you gave up next year’s first you might be able to get a late first this year you don’t need to do that from James Palmer the record of quarterbacks taken in round one is six we’re already at five and the 11th pick is on the board now what if well won’t go I can tell you that Spencer rler I mean he’s he’s going in the second round if he doesn’t go in the first I take first over third given the way this is going wow we just hit such a lull here what’s going on yeah it needs to speed up that was a lot text from a Vikings fan I feel eh about JJ hell yeah hell yeah good for you um my girlfriend yeah we know Benjamin Albright says that JJ McCarthy wasn’t a top three quarterback on the Broncos board but I don’t I he wouldn’t be a top three on mine he wasn’t top he might have not been top three on anyone’s he was number five on mine he wasn’t top four in how the draft played out yeah that’s what I mean yeah I I think that that’s fair and I think that’s what we saw like you talked about like as much as they tried to you know push the narrative and he’s climbing all the boards it could be second off the list I think that’s what everybody saw yep we’re on points all right where are you at right now her that bow Knicks is going at 12 uh 35 35 bow Knicks I’ll take 50 Bo Bowers or Brock Bowers I’m effing up his name big time I think it’s it’s 5050 I think either Brock Bowers is the next pick or he’s the Broncos Nick Bowers is the The Dilemma for you what about you bow if he’s on the board it’s it’s Nicks if not and there’s 50% chance I’m wrong I’ll say 17 then he goes at 12 okay I think I like that I think there’s a there’s a there’s a chance that we get him but not at 12 I think yeah Dre what’s your percentage no I save 25 bow 50% trade down 25 best play available Bowers Defender o linan i mean we just had Zach on here and he said bonix I’m at 75% Bon you can’t take bonck as well is that what he was he was he said if it’s not JJ it’s bo uh Todd you missed it we couldn’t hear Zach so we just had to ask him questions that the The Outsiders could hear so we’re kind of lip reading yeah he did say B Knicks at 12 he didn’t we don’t know anything more than b Nick but he did definitely articulate Bon Nick we saw that part all right be getting closer here oh we still I guess have the Jets pick yeah yeah well that’s where that’s where Brock Bowers Brock Bowers is probably going you would imag yeah yeah the top wide receivers are gone it’s Brock Bowers time has Aaron Rogers ever been a tight end guy I mean I feel like he’s a tight end maximizer like Bobby tanion had a really good year recently he have Jimmy Graham for like a season that sounds familiar Jimmy was old though there was guy they they did have a big ass you go back to likee Finley something meres Le I think he was actually there Le he was a blocker um Mercedes lewi I think is still in the leap the Viking Jones Drew everybody everybody thinks they can just find a blocking tight end they’re a little tougher to find than people give a credit for it oh yeah they’re hard to find the Vikings didn’t seem excited at all this was not why they acquired the 23rd pit no what do you mean like their whole pre-a plan was not to just move up one spot and take J oh so you’re thinking maybe they wanted they trying to go to three I think they want was high on May man maybe and maybe penic maybe penic more so than we we thought or gave anyone credit for except for Todd I’m saying do what I can it’s true Todd could see through the BS Todd do you think that as an undrafted guy had a very successful career you see the draft as maybe a little more bsy the hype yeah I do and I feel like overall people get drafted off of hype yeah more so than actually what you put on film so I feel like if I was a GM in their shs I feel like I could evaluate talent well I don’t think it’s hard to see got like there’s so many guys I see have seen over my career it’s like how did you you know what I’m saying you have the or S like you just don’t have it were there guys in your career you don’t have to name names no I’m nameing Nam but you got there and you were just like please still you were like whether he’s at your position or another position and you went against him like you’re telling me this guy was a first round pick and I didn’t get drafted heck yeah without a doubt I mean there’s guys that uh came on the team while I was there that were former first round draft picks that just didn’t pan out and then they were on the team for like three weeks I’m like it’s crazy it’s crazy how it happens really is yeah yeah just so you know we are not on screen Brock Bowers and ol fashanu are uh yeah are the the considered picks for the Jets they got 11 no oh yeaha is that did that happen that happened I haven’t seen it I can’t hear what he’s saying you said no it didn’t happen Brock Bowers many people are just asking the question do they take Brock Bowers not necessarily iring that he has been taken does yay know where the camera also went black on us I don’t can yaay hear us you might want the camera up for when the Broncos come up okay okay oh boy what a we’re still un sure about whether this actually happened no it did not happen brck Bowers is not a j that’s got to be really confusing for our viewers yeah our viewers are probably all we can do is repeat that was Brock Bowers taken as far as we know Brock Bowers not J Ian rap report saying no trade okay good thank you rap sheet for reporting oh the pick is in not Broncos not bronos oh okay Henry the Jets taking Penn States Olu fushu to me this is Brock Bowers sick man Olu is so sick I gave him out as the third o linan you poo pooed it and that just hit screw you Henry screw you okay okay Broncos bronos baby let’s go let’s lock in trade down Brock Balor I just don’t know he’s tiny you consider the fact though that if they trade down they might uh overlap with the Nuggets game I love ball man I don’t care all right Henry R this TV it’s working great by way it’s really working well be able to see it that way I feel like rock Bow’s oh God he’s not that small pause hey day you know what I’m saying and and with me I feel like with the guys that in there in the in college especially at a high level like he did from such a young age it’s only about 4 years before all those guys that he played against are now in the league like I think he can stand the test of time and be a good tight end you know yeah dude that I swear has lost like two games his whole college career well and for me it’s Shawn pton If Shawn pton looks at that and says that’s my weapon my Joker if you will sign me up sign me up 100% no I to me he’s the best on the board and we did go over like who are the players that are like the be best players available that you can’t pass up he was kind of the M DOA line right yep I mean I would fall in that group while quinan Mitchell tan lock down combo if you say cornerback in front of Broncos fans they will kill you I’m just saying War it’s a possibility but terion Arnold and PS2 would be a good pairing Nate Wiggins in PS2 I just I don’t want I don’t want a player to get picked right here that we haven’t talked about yet Kool-Aid mckinstry could be uh a good pick yeah L to latu Byron Murphy a little pressure from inside yeah I mean that’d be very like Sean Pony take care of the trenches very pareli of him yeah and I hear a lot of good things about Byron Murphy one of my friends used to coach at Texas and no longer there but he says Byron Murphy is the real deal like hell of a player we saw it on film but he was just like hell of a hell of a all right everyone retweet the Tweet Broncos are on the clock so we get a bunch of new viewers he lives in the back field that byon Murphy all right uh so the Broncos are officially on the clock here despite what ESPN says so the clock is ticking yep and Andre was going to retweet it by just scrolling his timeline until he sees it wow that’s that is insane all right I’ve got eyes locked on I think no I was looking at my notifications I’ve got eyes locked up TW deck here we’ll know as fast as anyone we will yeah and we’re going to spoil the pick so you don’t want spoilers give us a pause pause her up pause her up oh boy to break no it is an old TV yeah yeah still in Play Still In play yeah I mean again Bowers is the pick to me trading down I get the Temptation um to me those are the only two options here and I would are tra down this is your tweet something like yeah no we missed step one so well step one was to not trade up so we did that step two is draft penic he’s not he’s no longer there that’s a fake yeah uh these tweets are just getting me going wait how notifications from a fake guy no they’re not from a fake guy it’s just you see Broncos and Brock Bowers at the top and you’re like that’s a thing but no it’s not then you read the whole thing um oh if you could get down to like 18 for a second round pick or something like that I would totally get it but again you’ve got in my mind an all pro tight ends sitting right there and you need offensive weapons I think that was a pro Bowers reaction it’s got to be Pro Bowers yeah unless somebody’s really worried about bonck backing up Pro Bowers reaction trust me they are not Quan Mitchell fans I like I love him too he’s so good it’s a day one starter phenominal but I understand what so Al Turner though Leu latu is awesome Byron Murphy is great it’s the 12th pick and you know five of the top guys were quarterbacks like there’s plenty of talent left on the board if you want to go get it I can’t believe you could draft the number one defensive player off the board without a doubt 12 that’s crazy right exactly that’s rare I don’t has that ever happened something tells me no I I wish I could look it up but there that kind of happened last year didn’t Deon wither spoon go kind of late here I’ll look that but will Anderson went super anyone want predictions on who’s going to break this is it going to come from uh give me R okay I’ll bet rap aort I’m going Tom peliso anybody want pick Zack is it dragging on because a trade is being arranged as very well could I mean you got to be you got to be on the phones of course oh boy the pick is in oh God Oh Henry you’re to us the Broncos are drafting bonck at number 12 oh are they really oh my God is that it that’s it that’s it bonck is a bronco no wow wow oh did we get incredible we missed the reaction six quarterbacks in the top six tying the record from 1983 the draft that John Elway Dan Marie know Jim Kelly were drafted in you think we had that kind of draft class let’s hope yeah let’s hope oh boy very much hope the sixth one in that first round was Dan Marino let’s hope bonix panss out similarly wow um okay so Dre you are the biggest bonck guy here let us know why you excited if there wasn’t the Auburn tape if he wasn’t 24 uhhuh this would be really easy to sell yourself on because this is a quarterback that was playing with Supreme accuracy broke the NCAA record for accuracy and supreme confidence I mean really putting the ball where he wants it hitting his receivers over the middle and being able to attack the sidelines and go outside uh the numbers to a very talented receiving core and kind of found a a next step in his maturity as a quarterback and becoming more of a game manager in this Dynamic Oregon offense while still picking a spots where you saw him though take his game to the next level and show you that extra promise is in situations like the game against Utah where Utah’s creating a lot of pressure and he’s still able to Zing it deep off his back foot they put like 21 points on them in three possessions in Utah Utah’s always very well coached and he didn’t have any trouble or you can go back to the Auburn tape where you see the off platform stuff you see the Dual threat ability you see the ability to gun it deep Shawn Payton’s going to have to marry the two the two minds of bonck Oregon bonck and young Auburn exciting five-star Prospect bonck also we got to remember at Auburn this is a kid who’s a true son whose father played at Auburn y who his entire life dreamed of being the quarterback at Auburn is a starter from his freshman year wins the iron Bull in his freshman year and then that pressure and a coaching staff that’s being fired and all that I think kind of caught up to him was on the roster with Jared stat Auburn fun fact Qui crossover but yep and Sean’s going to have to find a way to marry those two guys marry Advanced 24-year-old quarterback at Oregon B knck and still find a way to bring out that exciting dual threat talent that has some Jaylen Herz to him and see where you can go I’m shocked they would stay at 12 and take them when five QB needy teams already got their guys in the top 10 the tough part though is that you got the Raiders at 13 QB needy Saints at 14 I mean probably not QB needy but again the Falcons just took a quarterback so why couldn’t the Saints there are the rumors today that the the Rams might be trying to get into the top 10 to take B knck like if you want B knck you can’t trade down and expect him to be there yeah I mean here’s what I’ll say I’ll start here I said I want whatever the Broncos do I want them to do it with conviction uhuh and I think picking Bon knck at this position is doing it with conviction yeah um if you were trading back hoping that b Knicks would still be around at 17 18 that means that you didn’t really love B knck it means that you kind of like the idea of B knck you’re willing to flirt with it and if it all comes together we’ll take him the fact that they go here and just say we’re staying at 12 we love B knck we think he’s going to be there and we’re going to take him to me gives me confidence that this was Shawn Payton’s guy they absolutely if they wanted to could have gone and got JJ McCarthy yep who I think all of us liked a little bit more for very little investment the fact that they didn’t do that again tells me they’re really in on B Knicks and I like that one more positive note I’ll say on B Knicks is I was that packed 12 media days last year and when B Knicks walked in he just had an aura a glow he had a glow of like that guy looks like the franchise quarterback of someone’s franchise eventually um I realize that is very uh the way that he carried himself so it’s going to take me a second to talk myself into the uh the player but I do think it’s important to not fall into just think like go go watch some Bon knck and formulate an opinion for yourself um because I think there’s a lot of people that are low on him including me but it’s not necessarily because the guy doesn’t play good quarterback the guy was very very impressive in his years at Oregon no he was last season he was incredible I mean go watch him whoop Caleb Williams’s ass against USC go watch him whoop that ass against Utah you know you’re going to like a lot of the Bon next tape you see yeah I think uh overall that’s a little bit of a mixed decision from the crowd here is that is mixed reaction mixed reaction more disappointment than anything you know I think I just you know when we had the last pod I said that overall I just wanted a quarterback no matter what at this point we had been through the quarterback career so I just wanted a new back um so he is that so I can’t be too mad about it um and if this is Sean’s guy I’m willing to wait and see how it turns out I did see no high-fiving though in the Broncos uh you know everybody was high fiving for Kay will everybody was high fiving for Jay danels like when you get your guy you’re really excited about it you know bonck if bonck are true their guy I feel like that’s a moment where you’re like man we got him he slipped to us you know we were celebrating I think we needed a quarterback so we got a quarterback I hope it all pans out uh have to see yeah get we didn’t even get the bonix reaction hopefully hopefully that wasn’t the reaction that was not the reaction he’s also really intriguing in Shawn Payton’s hands because I know people like I think hasn’t Zach said he’s the most Drew breezes like he has some elements to his game that reminds you of reeze as more of like what was his completion percentage last year something crazy like 78% or something record yep but he also has that stuff that modern Shawn Payton has shown you as he’s experimented with the taes hills and those mobile quarterbacks he can kind of do both and in this Play caller’s Hands that’s really intriguing y I was waiting to see when will we see that type of quarterback get coached up by Shawn and now you get that and he’s also NFL ready he’s Pro ready right yep two two things first one is Brock Bowers going to the Raiders devastating um not really ALS they had Darren Waller in his how did that do for them Darren Waller was not that good I never had to cover him no offense you have the uh you have the he he had his moment he had his moment he was good for a couple years yeah but he wasn’t like he’s not Brock Bowers is GNA year one he might have more yards than 77% completions last year that’s insane he set the record and what’s and what’s interesting about that fact is like people like to say a lot of his passes were behind the line of scrimmage or screen whatever whatever it may be like that is Shawn Payton’s offense what we saw Russell Wilson was a lot of screens a lot of Quick Check Downs like if he can just get our players the ballc there it is they kind of missed the high five that’s okay though and he can do the rough stuff and you know scramble and throw it off his back leg and pull a rabbit out his hat as well okay so a couple Adam shefter tweets this been like five minutes this is a you could you could send them to Yaya and you could bring them up on the street if you nobody wants to read for themselves here um Broncos Center Alex foresight who played with Nicks at or before Denver drafted him in the seventh round last year raved to Denver’s coaches about his former college quarterback for told the Broncos coaches that Nicks is smart knows every protection handles it all at the line of scrimmage had Universal respect control Protections in the line of scrimmage glad to hear that we knew pennx did that which is one of like the thing but hadn’t heard too much about the others the other one Denver held a private workout B Nicks the day after his Pro Day the night before the workout the Broncos sent Nicks three packets of offensive play installation the next morning as they worked in the classroom with Nicks he crushed it Pro Broncos Source uh the Broncos then took Nicks from the classroom to the field watched him throw for an hour and we convinced they had a quarterback they wanted so this is what I said when I was on the show last Friday is we don’t know who Shawn Payton’s guy is but he’s gonna have a guy and I tell told the story of when he and Drew Brees met during free agency and Shawn Payton came with all this stuff and Drew Brees was like wow I love this stuff is this what you like to call and Shawn pyton was like this is what I want to call for you and that’s kind of where their relationship blossomed and it was all about that meeting that kind of made it all happen and I said Shawn Payton’s going to have someone I don’t know if it’s JJ McCarthy that’s who I thought it was going to be or Michael pennick or Bo Nicks there’s going to be someone that something happens during those meetings when they’re talking on the board and Talking Football where it turns it on and it sounds like this was it yep I you know I do think that week one if you just had to go win a game I would take Cale Williams to go win that game but second behind him it might be B Knick the the tough part got to take penx who beat b knck twice in the biggest game but the thing is with B Knicks you’re building an offense around him it’s it’s rpos it’s quick game it’s all this short stuff uh whereas with penck you plug him into an NFL offense it might just take some time and so I think that’s the big appeal for me with B knck is that right away you know exactly what to do with him the blueprint is there you would hope that he grows and can kind of expand that and start running more of an NFL type of offense but you know that if if you’re willing to run the quick game RPO Slants all that sort of stuff yeah he’ll he’ll put stuff on Target and hopefully you teach him how to do that other stuff down the line um and hopefully have The Playmakers to take advantage because that’s the other thing you know Troy Franklin y he’s a catch and run specialist there are a lot of times he’s catching balls five yards down field and taking it to the house he might be a first round pick as a receiver Bucky Irving he’s going to be one of the first running backs off the board he’s the best receiving running back in the country um I think led the nation in receptions you feed him and he just goes and makes plays I’m not convinced that the Broncos have those guys on the roster right now who you can feed and let them do the work and take the load off the quarterback but I do think that there is the the way you build this offense is very very clear right now and I just hope the ceiling is higher than I’ve thought it is let’s break it down let’s yep it’s all about that ceiling goonight how do you feel like this affects players specifically like courin setting how do you feel like this affects his game I think so he’s a tough one because you might say hey there’s your one deep threat Marvin mim’s a different type but if you get Court isolated maybe you do have him throw some of those balls up the sideline just jump balls back shoulder that sort of thing um I I think you have to but again that’s not really the bow Nicks type of game um you can do it you think so he can throw that all day long then that’s the thing so you might just have him play more of a true X type type of he could throw that outside like back shoulder that contested grab here’s my message to Broncos Country we have something to be excited about whether you wanted bow Knicks or not this season just got infinitely more interesting% I as someone who was team pack it in and get ready for shador next year I also knew that this would probably be the worst least exciting Broncos season ever if that was going to be the case and so the flip side of this is now everything just became interesting everything about the Broncos from now until the end of next season and hopefully Beyond just became infinitely more interesting we have a reason to be excited for rookie mini camp and OTAs and we have a reason to go and watch every single throw of training camp and come back and talk about it on the show every single preseason game is going to come with like a little bit of extra buzz and excitement and then you go into this season and it’s like did he get it right you you spent all this money you traded picks to get Shawn pyton because because you believe he’s the guy who can get a quarterback right and everything now is we get to find out was it worth it was that investment worth it and uh and that to me is what makes this exciting and and I’m ready for it I’m ready to to ride the bonck train yeah and just running through more of those guy like Marvin Mims you you know he’s a deep threat again I don’t know that that’s Mo Nick’s game but you do start he’s probably your featured screen guy like he’s probably getting more of those than everybody and for somebody who he be Troy Franklin right exactly like you knew he had that one skill going deep now you get to take advantage of what should be a second skill without asking him to to learn a bunch of other routes um hopefully he’s doing that so at some point you can do it you know Tim Patrick a great blocking receiver I don’t know that any receiver wants that to be the first thing said about him but in this offense he’s going to be doing a lot of blocking and he’s really good at it um so I think Tim’s a great vertical threat too yeah I just I mean we’ll see post injury how much of that still I just want to see Knicks be a guy who takes advantage of the vertical thre no I mean he’s he better I mean exactly drafted in the first or seventh round if you can’t hit a guy deep one-on-one you’re not going to last in the NFL very long right those are you might as well be wide open in the NFL if you’re like oneon-one outside you got to take those shots and you got to hit them more often than you don’t those opportunities I would just like to say are a lot less than they used to be though most teams are saying they’re moving the safety putting two safeties back there and saying we’re not going to let you chunk us down the field cover leag it is it is a cover two Le cover to so honestly if you’re willing to take your medicine and win on the short stuff and you have a quarterback who completed 78% of his passes in those areas then maybe you’re taking advantage of the way that NFL defenses are being called right now also if you’re playing with two deep safeties great way to counter that is have a quarterback who can lower his shoulder just take it and run it yep mhm also I hope we get that 14th pick no you have to you’re not getting bonck without some QB runs I’ll tell you that right now exactly QB runs are part of the the marriage we just entered it’s read options it’s rpos it’s Slants and uhhuh then that’s that’s kind of your offense also real so because we didn’t see much of it Russell Wilson I mean there was a handful of plays and that was part of Russ’s game Bon might already be faster I think Russ might have slowed down so much plus I I think hopes might have been a little higher for Russ Russ has Russ has that deep ball so you want him playing that a little bit more but it worked so well I can’t I can’t remember the time where it went for less than seven yards any time they did pull it like but it just wasn’t Sean’s bread and butter it’s true 14th pick though Saints taking uh tiis faga tackle from Oregan State do you think it wasn’t Sean’s bread and butter or was it Russ just didn’t want to put his body on the line and run for that many yards I feel like because of how last year was I think Russ would have done whatever Shawn wanted him to do because he felt like it was a mega break year for him so I think that that was more of Shan’s thing but I do know that part of the reason why Russ exited from Seattle is because Seattle wanted him to stay in his bubble and do what he did and he wanted to be more of a pocking passing quarterback so yep yeah I mean he’s also what 11 years older than uh than b knck correct so you know he when Russell Wilson came to Denver he top five all time in quarterback rushing yards y um you know for those 10 years he was running the ball a lot and then obviously he he stopped doing that but he also got like nasty concussion in year one um and so maybe they just had to be more cautious with them one thing I’ll say about B Knicks he does have that dog in him certainly I mean he brings fire on the field um he is going to be fun in that way like he’s going to run over a safety or a corner in one of those early games and get everyone fired up he’s going to win over Broncos country all everyone who doesn’t like him because of the pre-draft evaluations are going to end up getting either one over tomorrow when he comes and talks because that’s usually the first time you you bring like 30% of the people that aren’t excited and then when he gets out there on the field and just starts playing the way the G the type of game that he plays people are are going to come along slowly but surely and get more excited about him we’ll see if it works out I have no idea if this is going to end up working out for the Broncos heck it could go so poorly that they could still draft Shor next year that’s right but in the cards I think that there is a CH a real chance that uh people are going to start to fall in love with B Knicks over time uh Todd you want to read that super chat I did I called it P so I think the Broncos heard me say pinix but they thought I was saying bonix but I said panic but either way you know what I’m saying I think it’s a good pick overall you know pleas Dallas Turner shadur Sanders next year Well Dallas Turner I do think that ship may have sailed hey hasn’t sailed yet 14 picks all offense yeah not a single defensive player yet Hard Times Todd you got out just in the just in the nick of time I tell you Nick time ug bronos says y’all I’m so beyond livid mid uniforms mid quarterback now Brock Bowers is a raider way to absolutely [ __ ] the bed Denver Bowers is going to destroy us as a Raider I’m at a loss right now I gotta tell you guys I’m not moved At All by Brock Bowers being a Raider like it it makes me feel zero feelings yeah absolutely I mean we play Travis Kelce twice a year it’s just annoying yeah I will say that as a defense our keil Hill is good tight ends though I me for a lot of defense like the last you know what I’m saying five seven seven years not not when like I was there but like you know as is a freak you know the Chargers with Jimmy are going to be more uh more physical uh for sure with bck you you got to be more physical too you know this is GNA have to be more of a run first approach here and uh so running back second round well they don’t have a second round but early third yeah potentially yeah no I think that would make a lot of sense I think Center also makes sense there no um yeah Blake cor if he’s there I’d love that that I don’t like having a second round pick right now it’s making me very une no see it’s really easy to be fine with that last year but then as soon as you get to this year having traded that pick away sure does stin I do like that we didn’t trade any Capital like we have everything we started with like I was very nervous that to get up to the guy we needed we would have to like sell the farm and then we’d be sitting here from one to five with no picks but I’m happy that we do have more capital in this draft ni and next off season you have all your picks you’re going to have a ton of cap like if if Bo pops if he has an intriguing rookie season give me what 11 Ed all of a sudden Broncos not buying tons of cop tons of pics please do better he only played in like three games I know and he had one good one and the others were trash all that matters is the one good that’s all no they had got the tweets and the the takes off after the first game he threw like two posts that hit and it made his stat line look really good everyone loves a good post yeah we do and then they stopped letting him throw the post and he didn’t do anything else ever again should we bring in one of the draft boys who’ve been watching bonck for let’s bring in we got to bring in Jake because it’s going to be good content cuz he’s like a baby over there okay I’ll go grab a burger all right just make sure you eat the Burger on set people want to see that oh okay so this is my question with stey with Wilson Jake get over here with B knck does this mean that B knck has to start week one so I brought this up on the podcast for like two minutes um because I haven’t had a chance since I actually went back and watched all of the all all of the uh Zack Wilson throws or hadn’t before then having gone back and watched his like strengths and weaknesses have flipped uhhuh like he is now pretty good in like the quick game easy reads reading things out of the bunch however all the downfield stuff is gone I think the B Knicks offense and the Zack Wilson offense are pretty similar okay so I I think you got to give the edge to B Knicks to win a quarterback competition but I do think that there is a competition there what do you what initial reaction to the pick Justin H qb6 at 12 is it’s an adjustment um I’m with you I mean I think with the group you have it it makes a lot of sense to bring another guy in um yeah I imagine you’re worried about potentially trading back and having somebody like the ram kind of snipy on him so I think if if you believe in him you kind of do have to pull the trigger I understand the logic there um I can’t say I was jumping for joy and like pulling up nike.com trying to get the the next Bon’s Jersey though if you were to buy Jersey which one would you get white blue orange the throwback if possible the answer is the throwback doubt Jake how you doing Jake Jake behind the scenes Let me let me start with this so you started jumping on the draft pod with us in was that 2019 2020 2020 I think it was 2020 one of the very first things I learned about Jake is that he hates bow Nicks he really hat and so I have known for years it’s actually part of the reason I like despite all the things that happened I was like I heard so many terrible things about B Nick from Jake schwanitz that I was still like I kind of see what he’s talking about and it maybe it’s changed my opinion a little bit but just given that background how do you feel now Jake that bck is a Denver Bronco not good not good we just took the sixth quarterback at the 12th overall pick I’m just I’m begging this franchise for one year to just not be desperate as hell I am begging this franchise and they just do this [ __ ] over and over and over they do so what what is it about his game that you hate what is it I feel like he he reminds me of Drew lock whereas he’s running around and he just makes these boneheaded decisions and it’s like you didn’t have to throw across your body 10 yard down the field like you can run you can take a sack for all I care at that point it’s too much of that he did get a lot better at Oregon you got to give him credit there um I’m worried about his ceiling he’s 24 years old how much better is this guy going to get from here on out he’s playing in a wideopen offense in an Oregon spread uh he had a great back a great offensive line he had a deep threat that he could just Chuck it down the field to in Troy Franklin um that’s that’s all I got man does it make you feel any better that Adam shefer says Alex foresight gives him the not of appr Che no no not the one thing I took from that is that bonic set his protections which we didn’t know beforehand you do like to hear that uhhuh fine okay uh he showed a lot of growth from Auburn like being fair to oh yeah he did but I’m sorry you were in the best conference in college football and that’s how you performed like I that’s we’re looking at Jaden Daniels one of Heisman who took a step up and upped his performance and you know B Knicks had to go down to the Pack 12 to have all these stats and stuff and that’s cool but where was it in the SEC you know you can say he was a young guy in all this but in the SEC that’s the most like the NFL that you’re going to see in college football and so many times it was just bad football from Bo Knicks that lost Auburn games and you can say Auburn didn’t have a lot around him that’s totally Fair he looked good when he had The Supporting Cast at Oregon but quarterback is about elevating your team it’s not about performing when it’s all right around you yeah you do have to perform I guess but I you want to see more you want to see a quarterback Elevate and just pick up a team rather than play up to his team and that’s what I thought we saw from Bon Nick in his college there’s like a lot of like uh talk about Game Changer versus game manager is that what you’re saying that b Knicks is more of a manager than a changer a ele Vader mhm yeah at in some degree yes I mean he he does have the improvisational skills he’s an athlete he can run the ball and he can do all this stuff he’s going to be a guy that I think could fit into what Shawn Payton wants to do offensively um you know just not being a statue back there he does he did look better throwing the ball in terms of accuracy uh at Oregon as well but I just don’t think this is a guy look man let’s face it you’re in a division with Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert you need a quarterback who’s going to play up to par with them Y and if he can’t you know play out of his mind and Elevate this team on a consistent basis what are we doing yeah I think that’s a concern I think we’ve talked about a little bit but you can build an offense around him it’s the quick game it’s the RPO it’s the re it’s all that short stuff yep he can escape the pocket and make plays out of rhythm but what’s lacking is the in between it’s the five-step drop make a couple reads and then deliver a good ball that’s what just isn’t there and that’s what I feel like a lot of being an NFL quarterback comes down to is going through multiple reads and then hitting receivers but the problem is is I mean we don’t know definitively that he can’t do it we just haven’t seen it because that’s not what Oregon does yeah and so for example we had Brian baldinger on the show a couple weeks ago um and we asked about bonck and basically what he said was you know he’s played this much college football but you watch every single throw of his entire career you Come Away saying like there’s 50 NFL throws that he’s put on tape exactly despite playing like 5 six and so like there is that unknown there there is a chance that he can do it but there’s just no evidence and I think that a lot of what he does well that quick game stuff I think if you’re a first- round quarterback you should be able to run quick game like you you should be able to to throw screens and SLS and he does it really well and we’ve SE I mean Bron was have Zach Wilson yeah he couldn’t hit a screen for the first two years in the NFL he like would hit the guys in the feet he throw up behind it like he could not hit a screen that does exist that’s not really a concern and so the fact that he can do that well it just doesn’t really move me in in a positive way does some does something or the narrative could we talk about could he be very coachable with his transfer from Auburn to Oregon and be his ability to elevate his game there I think that’s probably one of his strongest selling points you see I mean there have been reports about the Broncos working him out privately and giving him you know various versions of the offense to break down and you know this guy’s money yeah he feels like a Payton guy in that sense I kind of what Jake said that athleticism like I think you’re going to be able to create play action opportunities for him get the ball out of his hands quickly I don’t know man like I I can talk myself into some aspects of this game it’s just to me what it comes down to is at 12 it feels a little bit rich I think you probably could have moved down and SL a good chance to get him and ultimately I think what makes me feel the most skeptical about even the the growth that we’ve seen from him over the last couple of years is and maybe this isn’t fair to put it in such a small sample size but you had two opportunities going head-to-head against Michael penx Jr this year and he lost both and pennx really elevated that offense in a way that was tangible and really impacted the outcome of those wins for Washington so it’s like I I like I like that it’s 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coming wow he left oh there he is I knew it was coming I knew was coming so much we can hear him you can hear me of course I knew this was no this is this makes so much sense this is a Shan hating type of quarterback not just because of the system and the fit but also he had work onch 18th the Broncos did exactly what they did with JJ MTH we all heard about that they did it with B after his they sent him a bunch of information saw how he could handle that cramming and crunch time because then they had a meeting with him the following day and a work out on the field he absolutely crushed from my understanding he crushed that meeting that they had with the information and the processing and the ability to pick up on offense quickly and then they were they were very happy with his throwing on of course kind of the biggest question with is well how good is his arm can he do anything over yard down field to my understanding that is not a question that Shan pton came out of that meeting with him with any questions about they think that he can operate his offense and really after just talking to bck too uh it really seems like Shawn pton B knck click in terms of the offense and it seems like those two are really going to see things the exact same what have we said it’s all about Shan finding his guy at quarterback and his guy is the one that can be the guy on the field that does what Shan wants and that’s exactly what Shan pton thinks that b is going to be seems like reactions from Broncos Country been pretty mixed on this one you have been hanging out with all the media people down there was it generally positive vibe more concerns what’s going on yeah I know you guys could fully hear me this this was the expected thing that was going to happen uh from about this afternoon until right now is just a question of whe the Broncos GNA have to trade up uh they they really never thought about trading down especially with the way the board fell once five quarterbacks have been taken before their pick at 12 they were not going to trade down I do believe there were opportunities for the Broncos to trade down but they were in no uh no position to trade down so uh kind of not not surprising at all here at Dove Valley this was the expected pick from this afternoon and that’s that’s what ended up happening B Knicks a lot higher on Shawn Payton’s board than he was clearly the rest of the NFL being the sixth quarterback taken but let me remind you Lamar Jackson was also the sixth quarterback taken in that draft too so just because where you drafted doesn’t uh mean that you’re going to be the sixth best quarterback in this draft and Shawn Payton bonck couldn’t have landed in a better place than the Broncos working with Jean Zach is your impression that that’s genuine belief in BO is there any concern on your part just in terms of the reality is he was probably the most realistic quarterback in their range is there any I don’t know just fear of you’re you’re talking yourself into them I suppose no I think it’s a totally fair question to ask Justin I think that’s a lot of thing a big question that a lot of fans are going to have too but here’s the reality is JJ McCarthy also profiled as a Shawn Payton type of quarterback the Broncos like JJ but weren’t over the moon uh on him and he was there for the Broncos if they wanted to trade uh to S to nine probably not with the Falcons at eight because they were going quarterback they could have made a move and it wouldn’t have costed them a hall so because of the way the board fell I think we can look at this and say um that the Broncos aren’t just aren’t just blowing smoke at Broncos Country here and hyping bow up because they could have had um they put could have had Michael penx Jr if they wanted to they could have jumped to seven for that and maybe not even given up a future first they could have jumped to to eight or nine uh and gotten or even 10 and definitely not giv up a future first to go get JJ McCarthy but the way the board fell they felt comfortable that the Vikings were going to go up and get JJ there and then the Jets weren’t going to draft both so he landed right in their lap and again they could have traded back there were offers there but they decided with five quarterbacks already off the board we don’t want to miss uh getting our guy and that’s the exact right approach I told you guys and I I’ve been saying that for months I would have been so concerned upset um not happy if they traded back and then still drafted a quarterback because it just meant that that he wasn’t their guy um and so I’m happy that they stood Pat and took boa 12 do you have any idea of the teams that were potentially in the mix in terms of that trade back conversation there were there’s a lot of teams that that the Broncos talked to today um about potentially trading up but then also trading back a handful of them I believe the Eagles are a name that’s been thrown out a lot um but I mean there were there were a number of teams a handful of teams actually that uh the Broncos could have or at least had talked to in the past 24 hours about moving back but when Bo was there and Bo was the only guy there uh that they weren’t moving back do you like the pick yes and I like the pick because uh Shawn pyton has identified his quarterback look coming into this draft the Broncos had the worst quarterback room in the NFL with Zack Wilson Jared stum uh and there what did that change we’ll see but I like the shant has identified that this is his guy and this is a big deal I know stay 12 picking the six best six quarterback in the draft isn’t that sexy for Broncos country to fully get behind a guy but Sean has never drafted a quarterback in the first or the second round and this is the second highest that a bron that the Broncos have ever drafted a quarterback so view it that way that shows how big of an investment how much Shawn pton and the Broncos really liked B Knicks in order to take him here again when you look at it as he’s a sixth quarterback taken in this draft you can be like ah man that’s not very exciting but when you look at it as only Jake Cutler has been drafted higher from in the entire Broncos history than Bon Knicks and also Shawn pton has never come close to drafting the quarterback this High and the Broncos brought Shawn pton in here not to have a good team not to have a good defense a complete team they brought him in here to make this uh offense good specifically starting at the quarterback position and so I like that Shawn put his stamp on a guy and Bo we talked to Bo right after he was drafted and he was asked has he been given any assurances that he’s going to play early and he said no I understand that everyone has to compete bonix is the Broncos week one starter let let let’s not play games here there might be a quarterback competition uh there there might not even be a quarterback competition but there might be a little open competition for training camp and and OTAs bonick is the Broncos week one starting quarterback he’s a guy that’s played I believe a record number of college games he if anyone is ready to hit the ground running it’s B knck and Shawn pton Fields comfortable with that very interesting does that in your opinion does that mean that either stdy or uh Zack Wilson will not make the uh final roster at the end of training camp yeah yeah probably uh and now just throwing numbers out there the Broncos are going to have to pay Zack Wilson two uh just under $3 million in guaranteed money but they could save five million if they decide to move on from number eight now Jared stum they say five million in cap if he’s on the roster it’s $7 million cap hit he only has $2 million in dead caps they’d say $5 million so now that competition I think the real competition with the Broncos quarterback room is for that backup spot now oh no I can’t hear you um it’s a conviction thing right if that’s your guy that’s your guy and and what Zach is saying is this was the branca’s guy regard of how some of this played out how does that make you guys feel though I’m curious just in terms of hearing that they did have those conversations about moving up moving down Jake especially like what’s your reaction I mean it sounds like they were just pretty dead set on getting a quarterback bonck in particular so but you were upset saying like and take all of the stylistic potential similarities out of it purely just from a a draft decision and and playing the board this is at least a more positive indicator that like he is a guy rather than like H we’re we kind of like him I guess we’ll get him 20 picks from now I mean look if he’s your guy he’s your guy then go get him fair enough right there if that’s what Shawn Payton believes and that’s what the pick is for that reason he believed that he could be the guy so um it’s not what I would have done but uh if Shawn Payton believes it to be true he went and did it so yeah like it’s good they like him but I mean it’s more of like you you should like him if you didn’t like him that’d be the real story you know so like I yeah I guess it’s you could take that like it’s good they trade down but I mean I’m not my opinion isn’t really going to change based on how much they like him it’s like I’ve seen ni it’s not like they’re going and be like he’s all right I guess but yeah to us what what were the what do you think the precautions were what do you think the reason was for calling the trade up was the precautionary just in case more quarterbacks went off the board faster or was there somebody they could have probably been like how we really love this guy but it’s too expensive to get here so B Knicks MH is a tight you know close second and we’ll take him at 12 and that’s what I wonder that’s kind of what I was trying to ask him of like is he really your guy or is he your guy because the quote unquote hot girl you want to das to the prom already has a date yep yeah um too she just has her glasses on she hasn’t like done the know what I’m saying full makeover yet she got to find yeah we should yeah we should catch up is not going for it we should catch up on all these picks here um so we missed the uh it’s the last three we haven’t hit yet so leat latu going 15 UCLA Edge rusher to the Colts we got Byron Murphy going uh to te from Texas going to the Seahawks and now as the trade says uh we got the Vikings trading up to get Dallas Turner um The Edge from Alabama so after 14 consecutive uh 14 consecutive offensive players to start the draft three consecutive defensive guys now that’s a record right 11 JC horn was the the latest a couple years ago uh he was right before the Broncos right so would have been eight eight eight nine right that was that that I don’t know yeah it would have been right around there it JC horn was the guy I just can’t remember I think he was eight yeah yeah yeah I the other thing with B Knicks though and something we talk about a lot is that uh for young quarterbacks a lot of it is just like surviving until you can actually hopefully turn good like because it’s rare that regardless how many how many games you play in college like you’re probably not going to show up and just be the best player on the field what you’re hoping is that you have enough strengths to survive year one year two without getting benched so that you can grow and develop and then Blossom eventually I think that that’s one of the strengths for B Knicks and we’ve touched on a little bit but the path is just so clear for him how you run this offense that he should at least be able to tread water for these first couple of years and and that to me makes it a pretty safe pick um which is something some easy stuff get the ball out of his hands eliminate some of the negative plays that killed you with Russ I mean for all the positives he has getting the ball down the field that time and time again especially in some of those tight games the negative plays were such a killer and I look you know B has some of those moments too where he runs around and like you said throws cross body or thow tries to force something I imagine they’ll really have the reins on him you know keep it simple for him bro I watched this guy against the worst CU team of all time throw a pass over the back of his head yep Bengals going with the marus Mims yeah he does some of that stuff that’s a solid pick yeah yeah that’s a very solid pick at this point um yeah I think if he’s as smart as they are saying now um like per their conversations as as a rookie quarterback your greatest asset is the ability to uh read the box and kind of understand defense y cuz I think if he’s able to do that he can check to a run take the play off you know understand what’s in front of him and really be able to only pass the ball in situations where you know they’re in cover two and you know the area to attack okay that’s where I’m going to pass anything else we’re going to check to we’re going to check and we’re going to let uh javante run the ball and figure it out let me ask you from your perspective as as a NL Defender that’s been out there yep if you know that that’s the position the quarterback is in like it’s he’s only going to take it if it’s here uhhuh is that a sustainable way for an offense to really be successful or if you know that is that a situation as a defense where it’s like all right we’re just going to pin our ears back and go after him and see if we can get him off his off his rhythm yeah I think it’s not a long-term solution but I think it’s a great solution for a Young quarterback to keep you know getting his footing in the NFL um because what teams are going to start to do is just show you what you want to see pre pre-lay and then as soon as the ball sna here goes what you don’t like well that’s what some of the defenses you played on that’s what it was all about exactly like that wasn’t really the way Philips thing but Vic fangio it’s just Welly way Phillips 2 way Phillips 2 made everything look like cover four even when TJ was man he would sit at 15 right next to d stew and then all of a sudden like two two seconds before the ball snap he’s coming down guarding the tight end we wanted everything to look like cover four so a little bit that’s what we you know what I’m saying we want to disguise it as much as we could yeah you don’t see much of that in college though is the thing no like that’s once you get to the NFL you also wonder you don’t see many receivers pressed either and I think that makes the game easier in college because you’re just getting that free release every time so that’ll be the the timing is just a little bit different you almost have to make a read first before you can throw those quick passes well that’s how college is too with the wider hashes like also true what Oregon’s been doing for 15 years at this point they spread this thing as far as they can they use the hashes to their advantage so they can work as much space in the middle as they can and that’s where bonix flourished at Oran but I mean the argument is obviously that’s also where momes flourished also true sure that is also true be Mahomes no it’s very I’m not saying that I just mean like I think that was the notion for so long is that it is an impossible path forward guys that come out of these spread offenses that Air Raids we’re going to use as much space as we can get the ball quick screens and fly routes and just a lot of simplification they’re oh you know it’s not going to translate it takes a special cat out obviously it’s going to be much different but I I think it translates too well because of Andy Reid though so just like you know you have them wide hashes and you have some guys running Scott free because of the spacing because of what Andy Reed runs you might have a receiver or two running Scott free so it feels very similar Payton’s a guy that can create some of that stuff for a Young quarterback you would hope I think he can I think he can but I think he’ll I think he’ll stay in the slant quick game screen for uh you know playbook for B Nicks for sure yeah I’m curious as soon as this is over I’m headed home to write the film room obviously I have spent a lot of time watching some bow Knicks but that now it’s time to like lock in and I don’t know best game worst game and some interesting matchup so mostly that’s just a plug to read that either at like 400 a.m. this morning or when you wake up tomorrow what’s the reaction on the defensive side when the team invests in a offensive piece like this that’s I mean frankly a gamble like you could add a qu Mitchell who you think is just that all of a sudden you have a better Corner a terion Arnold you could have added a Byron Murphy or one of these Edge pieces and everybody is really a gamble but I mean you feel a little bit more self assured about the the hit rate on some of those guys versus like it really feels like with a quarterback I mean it’s it’s a rooll of the dice at best I think no matter what I think guys you know play it off like oh we’re going to have a good year or we’re going to be competitive and then we all know when we look at the quarterback position like that determines how good we’re going to be so whenever we get a new quarterback I think we’re ultimately hoping that this could be the guy you know throughout my years whether it was Drew lock or uh Paxton Lynch like we always felt like okay if we can get this guy right then you know we really can have a great team so even if they got a great corner I think nine times out of 10 guys are going to rather have the long shot at quarterback just because you know how pivotal that position is on the field and I’d imagine this situation in particular too yeah because projected starter was Wilson it’s it’s not quite the same as the Falcons where it’s like we already had Kirk like why not just give us one more piece here it’s it should be an upgrade you’d hope what does a guy like Bo need to do to come in as a rookie and basically command the respect of the locker room how does a guy like that come in and get belief from a bunch of grown ass men um one his wor e work ethic and then two I think he needs to be the smartest man on the field I think that’s important he has to show them that uh he knows his job he knows their job he knows the o line protection like he can handle it at all um so I think that would be very important if they see him like take control of it and understand it um and even kind of like put together scenarios um and and walk guys through what he’s thinking how he wants you to react I think that’s going to really really get the team on his side so kind of build off of that I mean you played for the Broncos you saw a lot of quarterbacks come through yeah how long of Watch watching that guy playing against him in practice did it take for you guys to know whether or not he had it uh it’s quick I don’t think it takes more in training camp yeah yeah within one training camp you can see if he’s the guy or not for sure it’s not long what happened with Paxton uh Paxton I think he made some good plays and then he just had pieces of his game he didn’t get to fully develop so you know he had all the physical attributes um and I think just wasn’t able to fully develop yeah so what you said about the quarterback being the hardest worker proving that you know everything Beyond you know beyond a doubt you would assume that that would be a common characteristic amongst quarterbacks but how common is it really it’s not it’s not as common as you think you have a large sample size yeah I’ve seen a lot of quarterbacks and you can tell the ones who are really diligent about their work and are really understand the game um they’re very different like Drew Brees and pton Manning with the I played with both of them so early in my career uh Drew bre and I went to Payton Manning um they were the only two quarterbacks and I’ve had plenty of my career that I’ve seen like run through practice run a play throw it to run receiver and then check it down fak and it to every other receiver like I know where everybody’s at on every single play and they were the only two to do it and I’ve I’ve had you know 15 other quarterbacks you know what I’m saying so it’s just very very specific when it comes to somebody who has very very talented but also can be the guy you know what was Kirk like um Kirk was good Kirk was good he was uh he was intense about his job I wouldn’t say that he did that after every play but he was very very meticulous about uh what he did and then the route that he threw it to what would be a tall tail giveaway in terms of this guy doesn’t have it I mean being unprepared I guess would be a pretty easy one showing up late and that type of stuff but I don’t know is there like a giveaway just in terms of a way a guy carries himself um one thing if you go out to practice and the quarterback is not already out there you’re like ah it’s not a good sign if you leave the field and quarterback’s not still out there not a good sign you know what I’m saying so I think those two things are just little signs of like you got to be here before everybody else um like Drew Brees like no matter what time I got into the building like his car was already there no matter what time I left his car was still there like it’s just it’s just what comes with being in that position but that’s the standard you are walking into if you are B Nick like this is what Shawn Payton has experienced and even before that he’s a bill parcel’s disciple you know quarterback Guru Denver obviously we have our own standards when it comes to quarterback that are frankly probably unrealistic and unfair for guys coming in because the odds of you being out or Manning are are pretty freaking slim but this is the reality this is the pressure when you are given the keys to this franchise like there’s just a different expectation than I mean even like a her cousins going into Atlanta where it’s like man if this guy’s even the 16th best quarterback in the league this is going to be light years better than anything we had in a decade yeah that’s a big thing also real quick I believe we’ve got one more pick the Rams taking Jared MSE at number 19 it’s kind of interesting how these are all falling those you got to rebuild that that interior dline obviously now makes sense they’ve had some free agent signings I I love ver as a run stopper yeah oh definitely also Shawn Payton was just on McAfee interesting cousin said he was didn’t didn’t get the vibe he was looking for from him interesting yeah which I’m curious I’ll probably I think Dre going to swap it in a second I’m going to go back and watch that um I guess before we make that switch I should say one more time we uh we couldn’t do this without our awesome Partners all of our dmvr Broncos draft coverage brought to you by Raising Canes 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Breen Ridge Spirits operate anywhere well done all right um are we caught up on the picks yeah we we should be caught up oh I got a question about B Knicks uh you mentioned the pressure of playing in Denver yeah and uh the expectations that quarterback uh I know people have pointed to that pressure that he felt at Auburn do you think like he’s matured enough now to handle the pressure of like you got to come in here to be the guy and there’s no really there’s nowhere to escape to I mean we got to hope so right that’s the big qu like did you find yourself or did you go like Jake kind of said and essentially find like a safe place where you’re able to kind hide some of it and I mean the Auburn Situation’s tough like his I believe his dad was a legend there and like there’s a lot of pressure but like you’re saying I mean it kind of goes right in line with in Denver I like that he’s been through that type of experience that he hasn’t been a guy that’s had everything spoonfed to him like that he hasn’t been for the last 5 years oh this guy can’t miss you’re so perfect everybody kisses the ground like frankly like B knck has had to prove to a lot of people people that he isn’t the crappy quarterback that Jake and I have kind of been saying that he is for the last couple years I mean I like the idea of a guy being battle tested and he’s older he’s older too so he’s been through it before and you know being Auburn starting quarterback Oregon starting quarterback that’s a big deal there’s a certain amount of media tension that’s going to be on you and then he’s 24 so he’s actually got the maturity he’s been through it he’s mature and then fits that that Duality this uh Shawn Payton 2.0 canny Mary Tamm Hill with Drew Breeze how close can we get to those two sides of the coin uh coming together and then you might really have something is there any fear to you that this is like so sad Sean Payton look I think pton feels himself a little bit I think he’s a very confident guy for sure egotistical one even say any fear that it’s him trying to prove how smart he is like this I can I’m so much higher on this guy than everybody else I know what I’m doing you don’t I don’t know is that even a fair thing to bring up I don’t know if it is that I think it comes with a level of like I made this decision and now I got to prove it I think it comes with a level of like if he’s not showing me what I need to see in uh day one of training camp okay now we need to sit down and have a conversation cuz you’re not about to embarrass me me when you get out there you know so hopefully he you know brings that to the table that’s kind of like the mindset those kind of things can go both ways right we’ve seen bellich maybe get too cute and take guys that no one else had rated that highly higher than they should have gone and more often than not those picks haven’t necessarily worked out but you know momes was a guy who no one had that it’s the ultimate argument going top 12 top 15 in that draft and he’s certainly proved me resoundingly wrong uh goes without saying so there’s a double-edged sword right it’s the one pick in the top 15 that stands out to me as like for my rankings this is the one that stands out like a sore thumb but when we look back that top 15 just because it matches my rankings there’s still going to be a ton of bust in there right and there’s nothing saying that Bo is one of those Buffs or Bo isn’t one of those Buffs time will tell really let me ask so when Zach was on he talked about the Broncos had opportunities to trade up he could have probably gone up and gotten penics ahead of Atlanta if you wanted to at seven they also had opportunities to trade down or trade up for JJ if that’s what they want and you know Zach is saying Bo is their Guy this is who they wanted the board played out the way that they wanted yep cynic like Jake would argue you could have maybe traded down and still gotten your guy but do you does it give you more confidence in a guy that you’re Maybe be a little on the fence in knowing that this was the draft practice like no we’re this is our guy and we’re going to get him we’re not going to get cute we’re not going to trade down we’re not going to do the Drew lock thing and hope he falls to the second like we believe he is a guy we believe he’s a top 15 pick we’re taking him th% 1,000% I think there’s some real confidence in that kind of conviction to go get your guy also look we talked about it earlier today A lot of times we get here day of week of the draft and we start to talk ourselves into oh will Levis will be the fifth quarterback to go top 10 or oh man Sam how Malik Willis Kenny pick it they might all go first round and then it’s like ah that was [ __ ] that was school’s gold this year that was true Five Guys in the top 10 six in the top 12 making draft history and there were rumors from Diana Rini and others today just hours before the draft started that teams like the LA Rams were interested in bone x m well and I think that’s probably I think if you’re Denver I think that’s the big fear like how cute can we really get here like yes in a perfect world and I think you see trades like this in basketball more often than football but like you do the oh we’re going to trade back two spots we’re going to still get our guy and we’re going to out a second round piece that’d be awesome but I mean there is a world where the Rams just come up and snipe you and now you’re in Spencer Rattler territory or whatever that might be yeah no and I think they really like bonick I think bonix probably was their third rated quarterback right if not I I don’t think they stand Pat and don’t go get panic or don’t go get JJ McCarthy cuz like you said that the opportunity was there the opportunity was 100% there so I’m guessing he was their third ranked quarterback I love podcasting with you guys talking ball every single week having W you know texting back and forth on a Saturday and then going back to talk about it every week on the draft pod but then come draft day what interests me more is why guys who have one of 32 jobs in the entire world why guys who are paid Millions to do those one or 32 jobs that are coveted in the entire world thought that b Knicks was worth that pick and why maybe I differ on him right it’s trying to understand why would someone like aan Payton Wan bonck less so than why I wouldn’t have so let’s try and talk that through to an extent why if if you had to pick one thing in terms of why do you think that he is a Shawn Payton guy and then why are you skeptical and I know you’ve probably gone through some of this but I wasn’t necessarily different it’s a good conversation exactly to me it all comes down to the raw tools how Elite is the arm and the raw athleticism and that is really going to determine his ceiling and at 62215 keish the arm maybe doesn’t tick super duper Elite like I compare him to hers hurts to me in that final year at Oklahoma with Lincoln Riley there were some times where it was like [ __ ] he is showing me something that I didn’t see at Alabama in years prior you got to look for it a little more with B you got to see like there’s a throw against Utah where he’s falling backwards dead to right G it and is able to like get his guy to the end zone and then it’s the athleticism as a runner is this guy going you know how Dynamic is he in space is he Lamar Jackson I don’t think he’s Lamar Jackson no but he can move around is he Jaylen Herz and you know so it it’s really like assessing those raw skills and how does it pertain to how high is that ceiling is his ability to ultimately Ascend into a top 12 quarterback in the league cuz let’s say that in 5 years if he does if he warrants starting for the next 3 four 5 years then that’s a successful pick and it’s a successful pick but then in 5 years you’re going to have to make the tough decision of do you reinvest do I give him damn near a quarter billion dollars or am I position in the first place well no doubt or is a quarter billion going to make it so that your team has a cap to it because this guy is more like the 15 best starting quarterback in the league than the eighth and so it’s going to be hard when he’s getting this ma major chunk of my cap salary to them build a true Contender around you know I I I actually think maybe the opposite for that one because I feel like only quarterback though I think quarterback is the only position where your mental attributes can Trump your physical attributes a great so I feel like just like with Drew Breeze I don’t think he was maybe besides accuracy I don’t think he was the best quarterback in any abely right I think if you’re smart enough to handle sha pne’s offense can get the line where they need to go in protection can hit the small wins I think that’s what’s going to allow him to be a successful quarterback even Patrick Mahomes they talk about all his attributes as far as like his running ability and his physical arm strength like that he is smart on the football field like the way he is able to put it they able to put in so many new plays every single week that teams have to be able to deal with because Patrick Mahomes can handle it and so I think it’s like usually I feel like the smartest quarterback always wins yeah and if he can come in smart and uh you know between the years he can kind of survive and then the other thing we’ve talked about is it feels like the quarterback position in the modern NFL has really been about find a guy who’s athletic enough to overcome being you know behind behind the speed of the game mentally the first couple Seasons but to still make enough winning plays to survive those first couple years and then once your brain starts to catch up to to the speed of the NFL game and you’ve you’ve been able to get those reps then you could really have come together well and if you’re Shawn Payton and I think his his frustration with Russell Wilson were obviously pretty pretty public but I think if you’re you’re sitting and you’re looking at the situation you’re like I’ve got a 35-year-old quarterback who keeps taking negative plays like at some like I I can talk myself into this young guy who it’s like if if he’s not even doing that and he is just taking these little these positive plays he might not necessarily makeing the home run plays but you’re going to be more much more consistent as an offense you’re going to be much less you know erratic and I feel like that was the biggest problem with that Denver offense a year ago is yes you’d have the moments and you know Rush had some moments where he popped throwing the football and it was clearly better than the year before but it was still way too much one step forward two steps back and at this point like maybe you’re not taking three steps forward but you’re just consistently going one and a half steps forward well and you’re staying on time which is like that was really the thing about the offense the offense could not just stay on time so it was I can’t imagine what a nightmare it was to be the play caller for that Broncos offense last year but it wouldn’t have been fun MH and Jake you maybe aren’t a fan of B knck but you can attest to this it’s quite the change in narrative that we are now describing b knck as a responsible guy that can keep your offense on time because I remember [ __ ] you saw him in Boulder do throw a pass behind his head I me the guy is wild you know he has that to him so it’s can you find can you strike that balance you know I mean look when you look at quarterback and you look at guys like aggressiveness I think you would rather have the guy that you have to kind of reain in a bit rather the guy that you’re still like come on man you got to make these we saw that last year with where it’s like godamn man can’t you just like throw it away or just like can you just throw it up there one time just to give it a shot instead of just taking a sack or you know running around trying to make something happen that’s not there so that is the thing about quarterback that with B Knicks that you can look on and go okay if we can just reain this guy back like half a step a full step maybe we’ve got something there you go he I mean he’s uh Hey we’ve gotten you from like a two a four and a half in terms of the vibe scale look man the the reason why I didn’t want this to happen I just don’t the cap situation especially after the rust cap hit just doesn’t scream to me like this is a situation for a rookie quarterback next year they’ll have a ton of cap yep but we have to find players though we need players well they’ll have a ton of cap and all their picks next next year so if he pops at all that could be an intriguing uh place to come yeah yeah if he just has like a a good year or a cool year it could be really interesting I mean think of Mac Jones’s rookie year everyone was excited after that doesn’t take much true Davis Mills Davis people were hyped on Davis five six game stretch at the end yeah that’s exactly right I said some crazy things after that bonck doesn’t have an Ras score right no I don’t think he tested enough I haven’t checked I’ve just been going through first time in a while we got a George Payton pick that doesn’t have an R score yeah quarterback’s are a little different though chop Robinson to the Dolphins oo full speed that’s intriguing yeah Bradley chub and Jaylen Phillips already there it’s a great situation pass rushers yeah Todd are you on Ras guys uh R so no relative Athletic score they take like height and weight and 40 time and bench press and all that stuff com out to score yeah that way if you’re a DeAnthony Thomas and you’re super small you’re not getting boosted because you ran a 43 and so yeah it’s relative and George Payton’s got a lot of guys who score very highly in the RAS this wasn’t around back in your day Todd but with the power of the internet I was able to calculate your R yeah yeah bring that up for me come on let’s go with an nice little look at that in the green in the done Todd that’s hilarious the height Todd didn’t score well the height yep look at that in the red you’re six foot six foot flat with the three I don’t know I grew up in Italy I understand 38 38 yes 24 bench reps they played me that’s impressive 24 bench reps yeah they stopped me so I did like what so I I did 13 reps wa and they and then the guy was like hold on N let’s count it and he didn’t even let me so I just sat up and I was like oh my gosh so TR to take a t of deep breath and I got right back under the bar and then I went again and he started from one technically 37 on record that might be a record what happened at my you might have a pro day record strongest linebacker in NFL history oh 35 in vertical look at that and then Todd I will I will say this there was a wide range on your 40 uhhuh the lowest I saw was 477 than that that’s the highest I saw was in the 48 I gave you the 477 we’re we’re friends not that’s Elite three cone there Todd it I mean sideline to Seline baby you ever think about playing on the edge I did that’s what I went to college for I play outside linebacker my first year in college it shows here that show I I didn’t I didn’t reg baby you know what I’m saying what’s funny is the 477 scores in the yellow the 10 yard split scores in the red they didn’t like but your 20 yard split was phenomenal it’s crazy is that crazy say and as a linebacker that’s as far as you dropping right 20 yard is all you need to do so look at you checking off the boxes 809 hilarious this is awesome you didn’t expect didn’t expect that at all there you go a GL it was GRE if it was R we should have done the Patrick does that with all the oh yeah the draft uh like Scouting Report thing yeah he gives them he gives them all the only the negative like so and then he’ll like give him the cards Drew Brees actually he kept it and he put it in his locker room only the negative y it’s good it’s a good way to go operate kind of how I operate um me too it’s not healthy it’s really unhealthy yeah celebrate your dubs I I urge you to celebrate your dubs please now Defenders are coming off the board where are we at I had to walk away for a second uh Dolphins took chop Robinson one of you told me yeah so Eagles on the CL Eagles on the clock at 22 is quinan Mitchell still available for them the guy they were rumored to trade up at 12 to get wow that would be a steal for them than and then at 23 you would have the Jags who traded down with Minnesota who traded up to 17 to take Dallas Turner so um I don’t know what the Jags are doing they were kind of rumored to be a xavor worthy team they need some offensive heal I mean I know Xavier worthy would be a weird one thougher Aon Mitchell I would love there’s some stuff about him being a diabetic that’s weird that’s come out that he was like inconsistent off the field because of his diabetes so then you hope with the Jay Cutler situation where you get it leveled and he’s just fine right just treat it correctly yes yeah give him the proper medical assistance yeah and then gamble in this guy being a star yeah that sounds like the correct way to go about it Jake no I don’t know that anyone anything else stood out to me I could not believe six quarterbacks in the top 12 just nuts it feel I mean it is very validating in terms of like we do this draft pod every single week and one of the things we talk about is like when it comes to in investing in these positions like it comes down to quarterbacks receivers offensive tackles Edge and Corners yep yep premium POS this entire round I mean this is modern football like to a te to a te you don’t have any of the outline of like oh you know we had the running back still go top 10 like we you know we could add an Adrien Peterson back in the day and I I still think in Adrien Peterson goes top 10 in any class cuz that dude’s as should linian thomon Marshall faul like special running backs are still special running backs and should be valued as such Robson go top 10 last year that’s what I mean like this this year like this is draft nerd Central like if you just if you want to nerd out and follow the positions and even the halfway sound like you know what you’re talking about just follow the follow the tackles follow the edges follow the quarterbacks yeah that’s true follow the receivers that’s where all the money goes now 100% those Premier positions that can play the pass do you hate that Todd yeah it’s trash yeah yeah absolutely the NFL game still about stopping the run at its core absolutely and I think you need linebackers to do both yep like yep linebackers are undervalue but somebody got to guard Brock Bowers every once in a while or Travis Kelce and then we also got a tackle Derrik Henry or like Isaiah Pacho like or cover them coming out the backfield like linebackers might be the most undervalued position in football right now because you’ve never asked them to do more or cover more types of freaks like The Versatile tight ends the running backs coming out of the field that can do it all the weird like in between hybrid I type players that are running backers like I mean we felt that in Denver when you don’t have a quarter or running or line lineer that’s can handle these guys and the about is you like if Joe Al’s coming down to block you you still got to get off of that too like you can’t let him black you like you got to be able to do it all it’s tough It’s True yeah it’s funny these positions where you actually need to do more safety is the same way nickel back they’ve almost been devalued it’s like I can kind of find a guy who checks off all those boxes but maybe isn’t FR you think it’s just cyclical like do you think 10 years from now we go full circle and it just that becomes the notion with receivers cuz there’s so many freak athletes coming out of seven on sevens and stuff there’s so many of these guys that they become a dime a dozen and it’s like I don’t know maybe I I don’t need to invest 100 million in this receiver we’ll just take one of the eight guys coming out in the first round and you know we come back to valuing you know linebackers and safeties or something I don’t know Corner could be the same way MH we will never devalue the big men the big men will always be valuable and hard to come by talented athletic freaky offensive linemen and defensive linemen those will always be at a pre right they hard to find world and half of the 67 guys play basketball so they’re already cut up and then you got to find one that’s not 67 210 that’s 67 32 like yeah and it has that dog in it it wants to compete play in play out you know those guys are they’re hard to come by very few around the world yes 100% now we got to see do we have a pick on the here I’ve been looking I haven’t seen anything I wanted to see what the nuggets are doing here don’t tell me we have started okay oh don’t tell me don’t tell me okay we could we you get no it’s all good it’s all good it’ll get spoiled for me with that you watch the replays is that trying I don’t prefer it but we got work to do tonight so it’s a good call that’s I could do that too I could join the cause is this for the Eagles yes we know pick is in quinon Mitchell quinon Mitchell [ __ ] what a pick it’s a great pick Great Value I mean they were set to my corner one this is what this team does every single year bro every single year and you know how it started they needed a quarterback they didn’t they took a flyer on a second rounder he was in the second round he was in the second round this year you wouldn’t get him in the second round no I can tell you I would have been more excited about Herz coming out of Oklahoma oh yeah no doubt we were Herz Believers though y also true he also had that Lincoln Riley stank on him yeah which you like you like yeah just 10 more picks to go nine technically Jags on the clock what’s the nightmare pick for the Chiefs here at the end of the round corle uh yeah man get the yak God M give them a give them a guy with great speed and I mean I feel like if you give them anything that can replicate what they lost with Tyreek Hill moving on that’s the one element of that offense that I feel like kind of went away I mean yeah Mahomes is still Mahomes they they’re actually a more consistent like between the 20s I feel like staying on St uh schedule offense than they were a couple years ago Mahomes has taken some of the erratic decisions out of the picture but all of a sudden if you just give him a freaking Ferrari on the outside that is can create in space and can beat you over the top and can beat guys in in the open field that that’s terrifying to me that’s giving a team weapons who doesn’t need weapons yeah they proved it this year like they’ve had even when guys are bad we got everybody we need we can find a way to win now they’re going to add another weapon to that it’s like you’re already winning the war and you show up and they got tanks too where’ the helicop where they get a tank well that speed from a vertical wide receiver really does open everything else up right like that’s a team that maybe doesn’t even need a speed threat to be any good at wide out just the the threat of having that kind of guy can go a long way though of course mle Hardman didn’t work out for him no but like even I mean for a guy like Kelsey just having him out on the field and having the threat of him going over the top like you can open some things up in the middle for a guy who’s maybe you know lost a step Kelsey’s still great obviously I mean he’s getting up there in age to me that’s that’s the scary one is that you get him that or Tom did Brian Thomas go yet no he’s still available lots of talent still on the board Thomas would make me a little worrisome too just a guy just proven proven guy over the top has the production I know the catch radius isn’t phenomenal but that guy would go from Jaden Daniel Throne to to momes that would not be ideal for uh the Broncos favorite picks thus far in the draft Todd I have a feeling you’re going to go ATL at number eight or you kind of question that fit for panic getting benched I question the fit but it lets me know just how good Michael penx is because they pick him and they didn’t even need him right they just like this guy’s too good to pass on we need him now I don’t care if he sits for a year or two he needs to be in our building uh so I I understand it don’t like it wish it would have fell a little bit more May 12 but it’s a good pick are you a big penx guy I take it oh without a doubt without a doubt I think he’s I think he’s the best quarterback in the draft period period you’re not the only person I’ve heard say that yeah I mean I may stand alone in that opinion but I’m saying why why uh the accuracy I think he had great receivers but if you look at where he’s placing the ball it’s 100% on point like my guy is catching it or it’s not being caught and it’s like falling right into their hands you know and so I just think that accuracy is what can allow him to really win um on Sundays and then we know he’s smart we know he handles the protection like he’s accurate he can handle the protection and he is the only other player to throw for or five 4,500 yards in back-to-back Seasons like I don’t know what more people needed to see as far as like I understand the medical but if we’re talking about latu latu is a you know one of the best defensive players he was right he was supposed to be done like they never play foot I feel like penx is the argument for him is just like okay but like did you actually watch him in a football game yeah and like I we can get into every little nerdy detail every he ran this he did this these are his Precision passing okay just watch the like the dude is just slinging the hell out of it always exactly where it needs to be he elevated his team in the in the biggest moments um I’m sure these are all points you’ve made at some point on the Broncos pods but it’s been a long show people might be tuning in at various points yeah yeah you’re so high on penx you would take you would have him as quarterback one Undisputed is that so much on pennic or do you have any hesitancy with Caleb Williams is there something you’re seeing there where you’re not so sure it translates um I think everybody’s I think everybody’s looking for Mahomes 2.0 I think Mahomes is in the class of his own I think even what Lamar Jackson does and Other M mobile quarterbacks is not what Patrick mahom does so I he’s just in a league of his own and for me I personally love great passing pocket passing quarterbacks who can put the ball where it needs to be so when I see pennick Do It um just like I saw pton do it or Drew Brees do it or Tom Brady do it like I love that more so than the you know the off Cadence throws they work but I like to see you just drop back know what you’re getting just fire a rocket and it goes for you know 15 20 yards like I like quarterbacks like that is there a reason you prefer that is that because as a player you felt that’s tougher to defend um and until Patrick Mahomes it worked the best like that was the staple for the longest you know so many great quarterbacks even guys like you know Philip Rivers or so many different names like that’s how you win football games you didn’t win with the off Rhythm you know throws but it’s working now but I still love you know great pocket pass and quarterbacks well in the question I mean so much of what is exciting about Caleb Williams and the plays you’re going to see people sharing is him running around throwing it off his back foot and the athletic of ility the fact that he is able to do those things is incredible Brian Thomas to the Jaguars at 23 they trade down and still get the fourth wide receiver in this class dang impressive I don’t know if I like that fit with Lawrence why not I just I would have liked a more intermediate guy I think you need a guy to stay on Rhythm More Than a big play yeah they did try that with Ridley yeah it just feels like the another one of you know many similar types of receivers that have gone down there and just kind of got buried in the DJ all these guys yeah well they traded down they could add a pick and maybe more of a route Runner lad makoni later on something like that he’s a fine lad yeah he is a fine lad no doubt this is my favorite pick in the draft so far though quinon Mitchell to the Eagles yeah I mean this secondary right now 22 that’s tremendous value you got Darius CJ Gardner Johnson um you might have a whole free safety says read blank and ship starting there now but now you have Quin Mitchell James Bradberry vonte Maddox Eli Ricks that’s a it’s a damn good secondary yeah and I mean highly criticized last year very yeah yeah and now they’ve got all that talent to come back uh this year and contend with the NFC no more Super Bowl hangover that often does Loom large what about you favorite pick yeah um I mean if I think if we’re going just based off how the board fell I would say the best value picks have been Bowers or um I like what Minnesota did as well Dallas Turner and JJ McCarthy McCarthy yeah with two trade UPS slight trade-ups but but I think you land two really solid pieces that make that I mean clear pieces that those team needed I mean Minnesota’s defense was a mess they couldn’t get off the field year ago now you had a versatile Edge rusher yeah it’s an off season you lost Daniel Hunter and KK cousins and you replaced them with JJ McCarthy and uh Dallas Turner could do a lot worse right and I mean you didn’t have to give up like a king Ransom to go up and do it you know you’re not you’re not doing the 49ers trade of three third or three first and a third just to go up and get the guy like 100% I I just think and am marus Mims so Cincinnati at 18 I think the the value there you get a an offensive tackle with great potential massive potential and you you don’t have to go up or lose any value no 100% I really like the Olu fashanu pick at 11 for the Jets they’re able to move down a spot and get a guy who you know at fashanu declared last year I think we were all in consensus that he would have been the tackle top tackle he’s the third tackle you still get him at 11 this year I just think he’s a franchise left tackle you you were talking about those Premier positions and how important it is in the draft and you can just follow those four positions to kind of see who’s going to go round one a guy like that with those kinds of chops in pass protection I kind of don’t care about anything else and you know when you’re committed to protect Aaron Rogers by any means necessary you can get a guy like that pretty impressive the biggest knock on fashanu Todd small hands under nine in wow that’s what she said yeah yeah that’s right which hey we should all get such good play um I just saw this on the timeline Nick sa I guess Nick sav’s on a Draft broadcast or something on the so he said that uh quinon Mitchell was Alabama’s number one guy in the portal last year he obviously never got in the portal this is a team that had teron Arnold and Kool-Aid mckinstry wow they lost the CSU too yeah I’ve never been more validated in being high on a G5 guy early and having it come to fruition no kidding well terion Arnold was playing safety you know they might have had to convert him from safety to Corner he’s still on the board yeah yeah Corners are Fallen the corners are falling yeah surprising you at all I mean with this many quarterback we talked one of these positions had to have a group that slid y it’s been corner it’s been corner and these guys are good but they’re not yeah I mean it does go in line with the corner preview and and everything even what we said this morning where it’s like you like all of them you don’t know if you love any of them right yep I think defense slid as a whole I think dude they it ever yeah this was just the offensive heavy draft in we saw a play out cuz def first defensive play went like 14 15 maybe yeah yeah latu was that I believe so the Colts yeah latu to the Colts and then Byron Murphy went 16 and there’s since been a run I need one two three four five I need two more Edge Andor defensive linemen to be drafted to have a bet hit let me see how many Pack 12 players we’ve have off the board three with bonck four fuaga five latu six fanu is seven I just need one more Pack 12 guy wow I know ball huh who are we looking for who do you think it is at this point I had five locks have all of the locks gone I think maybe all of the locks have gone here Jak U so we have from the Pack 12 available Jordan Morgan oh yeah yeah he would be my favorite to go next jpj also in the mix y um Jordan Morgan’s the the one I’m counting on though Co Bishop the safety is also board Jaylen P does one of these second second or third Washington wide receivers go in the first round could be jpj Troy Franklin and Jordan Morgan in reverse order are the guys I’d have my uh Henry gr Barton he’s not a Pack 12 player oh okay I thought we were talking off no I just need one more Pack 12 player to hit my over that was a 4unit play for your boy Henry proud to tell you I put a plus 4,000 bet on penx at 8 wow that wow James on the dmvr Broncos talked about it and I was like [ __ ] let’s see what those odds are wow actually Jeremy F came out no at eight just at eight oh at eight the exact pick no one had that everyone had Dallas Turtle right oh yeah so like plus 4,000 was and with JJ still on the board I mean come on so I’ve been trying to figure out what games to go back and watch yeah I I need three games from bonck for this Utah’s okay so I was thinking Washington uh Utah and Oregon State just cuz I remember that Oregon State game being a lot of fun yeah yeah and they’ll go through he only threw three picks and then watch them go find those whoop on Caleb Williams in usfc man that’s a fun one too maybe I mean it’s a quarterback maybe four tonight Buffs I’m not that game just ran it down their Thro that was the Irving show that’s a tough the like God damn it he’s good cuz you go through and you’re like Portland State I mean that’s not a test Texas Tech like you know that game is going to be they almost lost that game Texas Tech like a strange vibe to it um yeah Hawaii no interest Colorado like and their defense wasn’t perfect last year Stanford yeah I’m definitely going to go find all three of the picks just to see what was up with those I’ve just been game planning over there good no interest in Hawaii strayed from your college football routs I have interest in watching I’m not sure it’s the best of evaluation of B Knicks is like hey what’ you do against Hawaii same thing it’s like what’ you do against Portland State the question is Hawaii was that on the island or off the island uh off the island oh well then no meaningless meaningless would would have to know what’s going to happen if the Broncos ever play a game tell my boy Timmy Chang Hank is not aan beating Hawaii and Eugene not a big deal beating Hawaii and Honolulu big deal wow any sharp knows that wow respect the island respect the island was the record this year not good no not good bad at football must had a lot of good teams out there on that island yeah yeah it the island isn’t what it used to be honestly it’s also kind of crazy go through the stats so what two 300 yard games as a freshman one 300 yard game as a sophomore 300 on the number uh one 300 yard game as a as in his third year at Auburn highlights from his year as a freshman when he beat yeah definitely the alliance have moved up to 24 that’s correct and that means the team that was at 24 has moved out of the first round entirely boy that would suck huh being a Cowboys fan always sucks a Cowboys fan they’re taking Terry on Arnold too that feels like such a Dan Campbell pick what a pick for Danny C that’s a good one right there but so like four 300 yard games this time at Auburn seven this season it is pretty crazy it’s to like when you know it’s that he was bad and now he turned good but when you actually just like run through all the numbers it’s pretty shocking just to see the difference yeah I mean Gus Malon Alburn Tigers weren’t the best back then yeah but again they yeah a little bit of a chicken egg discussion B egg’s also not the best okay yeah okay I think at football when you’re playing in a shitty system on a shitty team and offense sometimes less of a chicken in egg and more of a yeah that was a guy on a bad system in offense I mean they were nine and four well that’s what I’m saying was he bad well I mean but the beat Alabama fly fly yeah oh yeah I mean there’s also the War Eagle I mean Auburn beat Alabama with Nick Marshall to yeah that was a classic IR Nick Marshall kind of I’m just saying yeah but it’s not like bonix underperform compared to other Auburn quarterbacks of that era that’s fair definitely very on par if not above no that’s definitely but the standards are all different I would say he was above par at Oregon than the par that had been said there the last 10 years post Mariota I would say if you’re drafting a quarterback at 12 you damn better be above par I would agree would agree you would hope yeah I would agree JJ McCarthy above par par yeah above he did what he needed to do in my opinion JJ McCarthy has all the traits you’d want in a quarterback definitely no Bogies I didn’t ask if he has all the traits you’d want in a quarterback I’m saying did he perform above par below par or I me look he the TCU game Michigan’s year was uh but I mean he showed his ability throw to shake that off and just keep on balling out and he did that elevated his game in the playoffs too he did or against Alabama at least yeah aside from that pick that got called back thank God huh that one had that one sent you so hard I mean that was literally dja Vu I’ve never seen I’ve never seen you so upset that was Deja Vu yeah that was uh that was crazy Packers at 25 eats offensive I jump on that I jump on that jump on that can I jump on jump on that yeah please go jum okay thank you oh wow so all those takes about bonix it’s they’re just coming on an empty stomach I don’t think you could even take those seriously he’s a little angry yeah yeah yeah you can’t trust that yeah you can’t trust that one bit no I mean yeah I it’s definitely not what I would have done but I do it’s it’s not hard to understand why you do it and I mean anytime you draft a quarterback there’s a chance it works out I mean you’re not going to get a Hall of Famer unless you draft one unless he hurts his neck and the owner’s dumb and says oh I’ll just draft a rookie instead and even that it takes a generational Prospect to get him to do it and a coad owner and there are very rarely things at quarterback yeah and even those sure things turns out sometimes not the shest of things laway sure thing I would say that panned out as expected Andrew Luck sure thing very good player worthy of the number one pick his career doesn’t pan out the way you thought that’s circumstance that’s not about the player but that’s the thing about sure things you know sometimes circumstances come up and even a sure thing isn’t a sure thing and also Trevor Lawrence sure thing has it turned out to be that way no I mean if if Trevor Lawrence wasn’t Trevor Lawrence I think he’d be talked about a little bit differently as negatively or positively negative I mean he’s one of the 12 15 best quarterbacks I agree which is pretty good but it C not what you hope for when you draft Trevor Lawrence right but it’s enough for him to not be considered a bust or anything it just you know he’s buying his time and I do think that there are things about B Knick that are sure I I I wouldn’t say like sure thing he’s an awesome quarterback but I don’t really have many doubts that he can again like run a system ready help I don’t know what he’s doing back there I don’t either uh but but like you know that there’s solid things that he can do like in terms of just getting somebody you can start day one B Knicks there’s a strong case we made that he’s number two on the list in this year’s draft panex bonex I would say kale Williams bonx but but I mean most ready to start yeah day one day one I think the toughest part about Caleb Williams is so much of and we’re kind of talking about this with Todd but got Sidetrack is so much of what excites you what big news in the Draft Packers believe is the Packers taking Jordan Morgan let’s go Pack 12 doing me right in the final year I can make that bet huh wow on top thank you pack 12 end of aner 4 one out for the homies 4 one out for the homies let’s see what other bets I got alive still gone but not forgotten gone but not forgotten the conference of Champions as it was once called I will I think with Caleb though with Caleb I don’t see anything that Bo Knicks does that he couldn’t do like if you want to do that same thing with the read options and the rpos and the quick game Caleb can do that you know if we can you R him in to just I mean I I think he can do that at level the screen and survive uh to live another day I think so and I I think even when he doesn’t enough times enough of the time it goes well that like if you’re just picking somebody win you a game week one like you you build that same Bon Nick offense if you want and even if he isn’t exactly perfect on the placement on every one of those even if he bails out couple it’s it’s going to work out better than it does with B but the argument for Bo Knicks is that he is just going to go out and do exactly what Shawn Payton wants nothing more nothing less but again unless Shawn Payton wants him to make three reads in which case that’s just not on tape you know yeah I do think that there’s limitations I think he was going through his progressions a little more than we give him credit for really yeah okay yeah well watch when you go when you go watch the tape when we go watch the tape tonight let’s make a note to check that out okay we should make a note well we’re not we’re not he’s looking at me like I’m saying we’re having a slumber party and we’re watching B Nick’s tap all in our jammies all night it sounds lovely frankly I’m not planning on sleeping tonight anyway so might as well make a party out of I remember those days I look forward to some post round one sleep myself now right load up on Pro have yourself a night that does sound like quite the night um yeah phonex phonex I can’t believe he’s a sha Payton guy what a what a world for those who want to follow along with Dre’s picks that are remaining we would love to see jatavian Sanders sneak into round one that would make me a nice chunk of change Michael Hall sneak into round one Rosen Garden the right tackle from Washington the other tackle and from Colorado yeah the state not the school Brandon Fisk make it into round one yep Xavier Legette make it into round one o I also need two more D lineman Andor Edge rushers and uh if a safety made it to round one that was boost at a plus 600 is there anybody matically possible no I mean I’m going to lose some pets but like already with the penx bet I’m like weigh in and we gave out bonix to the Broncos boosted a couple weeks ago is there anybody you don’t want to be picked in the final few picks anyone I didn’t mention like someone you would for example someone you would expect to go in round one I don’t want name someone you’d expect to go round one that’s still available oh God uh how about uh like Tyler G Tyler G yeah Tyler gon no don’t want him in round one that’s right um Kool-Aid mckinstry right everyone knows about Kool-Aid mckinstry uh yes have heard yes don’t want him in round no not koola Street haven’t bet on him can I just say I have this exact same Broncos Polo and I almost wore it and I’m really I he should have here’s the thing Todd is going to look so much better in anything than me I thought you did w embarrass him no I didn’t want to embarrass myself I totally well that to I totally misread that we look a little we look a little I look a little less physically imposing got a little less just general you look good I think you look good man don’t say yourself short made for that man you will be my first round draft B wow yeah Todd you’re not wearing this Polo to be intimidating or it’s a polo come on point J M is there anything less intimidating precisely I wear this Polo to try and give people to guess like my handicap you know I’m saying CU this guy a good golfer you know he knew he was mingling with the people today so ready to up butt up yeah exactly uh grease some Wheels damn straight I can’t 25 25 it was Jordan Morgan so Tampa Bay is next up at 26 Deer reported as eligible good sign what does Tampa need here and how could I win some money on it we will find out soon I uh I hit the Rockies bet today oh wow yeah I haven’t been betting on them to win very often but today’s game plan was okay I got to stay late last night get things done going to be an early morning today for the same reason got to go do the draft pod it’s going to be such a late night though that I need a nap in the middle of the day mhm what better way to nap than to turn on the Rockies game at 1:00 so I woke up in the eth inning saw him put up six runs in the eighth come back and win made some money that is Elite it a big day great day also the I wish I could have got a nap in oh it was nice oh no I bet I bet oh you’re sleeping tonight though you already said that yeah yeah I’m not St up writing late like you you will you’re going film room right on us or how do what’s the writing schedule for tonight what can people expect tonight is the film room tonight we’re going to the Washington game the championship game I was tempted to do both Washington games you might want to I know but again like I want to get this up tonight and so I was thinking three games so Washington Oregon State Utah but also USC is a fun one the other Washington game is a good one and I think those are really state it was such a good game that I feel like I got to I got to do that one but there’s a part of me that thinks like what do they call that Civil War border War they do not well they used yeah what is got cancelled because it was reminiscent of the past Civil War nobody’s thinking that I know I know I know sometimes they got even slightly I get that that was like our civil war there are a lot of Civil Wars we’re going to keep calling it The Civil War because that’s what college football fans know it as it is we’re not going to be well now one team in the pack two one team’s in the Big 10 maybe we won’t call the Civil War anymore well yeah yeah I mean I just is a or maybe now it becomes more Civil War than ever it’s two vers 10 yeah it’s true [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah I guess it is more accurate right right exactly organ seceding yeah yeah precisely Brothers going against each other that’s uh that’s right true that’s right we’re getting into weird territory on this yeah yeah no that’s that was the goal three hours in that’s just natural that’s exactly right Tampa Bay Buccaneers still haven’t made a pick I’m surprised the bills haven’t moved up to get their wide receiver yet but fewer wide receivers has gone than I expected only you know three in the top 10 and then Brian Thomas just went at 23 but that’s because like to me I kind figured this happen because there’s like 10 more guys you could justify being the next guy well that’s the same with cornerback I think the first Corner went at 22 because it’s like yeah you know nowadays in college football you need like four starting Corners right that’s how you counter the spread offense so we have a multitude of wide receivers and Corners coming out of the draft every single year and you can wait on those guys that might not not be a bad strategy for the Broncos to kind of wait re three round four cornerback wide receiver hit it up then yeah is that what you do Henry the rest of the way now that you got bonck out the way what’s the Broncos draft strategies days two and three I think I think in a dream world you get Blake korm in the third I think I think that’s I think that that’s just like a special kind of running back who can make things happen like if you’re really leaning on this running game that’s how you really lean on the running game plus he’s so Shifty I think it gives you stuff after the catch I think there’s some Austin ekery type stuff right there his vision is awesome his vision is awes watch him make like auk you’re right that does help that does help but i’ look at that um definitely some receivers I consider there too um you know zavier Legette could be a first- round pick but again there’s this whole big tier if he’s sitting there then that would be a fun pick too um corner I’m a little less interested in because you’re a Riley Moss believer well you just have you have a third round pick in Riley Moss you got fourth round pick and deari you’ve got like the veteran who’s on just above a vet minimum are you really upgrading that immediately and if not would you do you really want another young guy who could pop or would you just want to trust one of those two to figure it out well is your second Corner opposite PS2 a bigger need than like your free safety and replacing Justin Simmons you know so I think Brandon line of defense pretty important I think Brandon Jones can play deep and I think alth when Kaden Sterns has played they’ve spent a lot of time with him like as the dime back or in the box cuz that’s how they got him on the field and colge he was a free safety yeah yeah he was fast super fast so that’s another spot where like if they take a safety it’s easy to see why but I think with Jones lock Sterns you’ve got a nice little three-man rotation if they’re healthy and if PJ plays like he did last year um and then you got a couple other young guys but I think the other spot though is Center yeah because you can get a starter I think the rookie Center rookie quarterback thing is always something you kind of hate but but that is a place where you could get a starter at a position of need especially if you’re trying to run the ball a lot well projected by many as the top Center in this class Duke’s left tackle Graham Barton who probably will have to go inside a little length deficient a bit of T-Rex arms he goes to uh the Buccaneers you love my scouting that one was so good that’s great like the fish some people have that problem that’s exactly right yeah not me yeah you come home you met someone at the bar think you can explain I’m sorry I’m just a little length fish you’re have to get closer they can’t get right Bros dis close yeah Bros disclos didn’t they say Center was like uh what was that stat they put out today about Center’s like hitting on the first round Center was like a 90% chance yeah like that’s crazy if you’re good enough Center to be drafted in round one you’re going to work out more often than yeah that’s pretty dope is that cheating though small sample you know like guys at 25 years I don’t know it’s uh how many of those guys aren’t pouncy Brothers is what I want to know if the pouncy brothers make up 40% of our round one centers then I don’t know may maybe something’s up you know pouncy brother have they aged well or they’ve got caught in all the gator Madness huh swamp King stuff just just a little bit Yeah and retrospect they to me they don’t sound like the greatest guys just because they’re Gators no because they sounded like they were involved in some of that featured Gator yes yes yes maybe bull bullies dare I say Henry I think I mean but again can you have too much dog in you established the answer is no in fact I think Justin and I abide by that as well I agree yeah are are the dog in US is Limitless that’s so true before I can start being introspective but next week about that you know when you guys brought Florida Florida it kind of made me think rethink my stance can you have too much dog right right bab yeah exactly exactly Todd there’s a fine line there’s a fine line and everything everything in moderation including inner dog yeah it’s like that scene in Friday nightlights the movie where Billingsley is going insane and screaming and Coach is like my goodness I appreciate enthusiasm sit down son little too much dog in that moment yeah that’s right that’s right keep T has to be the most dog of any of your teammates but who who else is up there like TJ would be up there like you think about a lot of guys like that whole team like the point was that they were all dogs you literally played in the NFL they’re all dogs they’re all dogs you sir are dogs who had the least dog uh you go on record Trevor Simeon seemed awesome but the Skittles jacket not a super dog move uhhuh um oh Trevor not a dog I mean you know who he was the first that came to mind deceptively Payton probably as much dog as s dog for sure sneaky dog he’ll call you out on your [ __ ] he’ll like yeah he’ll kick you out of Al dog yeah give me another guy this guy doesn’t know what he’s doing get him out of here right right yeah I love that nothing better than uh him doing a boot to Donald Brown Witham that’s the greatest clip of all I love that so much oh my God and I’m going to take a second to give a shout out to raising KES of course presenting all our NFL Draft coverage of course here on dmvr Broncos all offseason long it’s been phenomenal they’re bringing this year show they will bring our live show tomorrow and uh they’ll be part of our recap show on Saturday going live right when and the uh sixth round starts H about there and uh Raising Canes what’s the play J Mike you want to tell them about your Texas toast sandle yeah that’s the pro move you get a little bit of extra cane sauce want to smother it all on the the Texas toast you get a couple of chicken fingers you get them in there make yourself a nice little sandwich especially if you had a couple of bre brus you need some carbs in you you need a little bit of protein maybe a little bit of grease it’s perfect honestly it sounds like that would go down truly perfectly with some Breen Ridge Distillery I a match made in heaven I think some award winning Spirits get some bourbon whiskey oh man just the best the official bourbon whiskey of the Denver Broncos awardwinning Spirits there’s Darius Robinson his over under was 27 and a half he goes at 27 some people made some money on that Breen Rich early products are available in all 50 states stop your local retailer or visit Breen Rich distillery.com um for delivery of award-winning Breen Rich Spirits offer is anywhere also got to give a shout out to uh Breen Ridge Brewery The Farmhouse having a good time yes yes has a massive plate of Meatloaf over there yeah he’s a big meatloaf guy he is Meatloaf’s good what’ you go with I went with uh the pot roast someone had a pot roast over there and I was certain it was J M yeah it was really good I mean that’s the thing about The Farmhouse you really you can’t go wrong yeah double cheeseburger got a fancy turkey sandwich here like a week ago I have a feeling once Jake is done with his meatloaf he’s going to feel a lot better about the Bon next pick yeah actually meatloaf from The Farmhouse might be just what you need to get in a b Nick food right yeah by the time we were done talking with Zach I went from like being upset about the pick to like at least I can be confident in the process I mean yeah oh yeah we don’t know better than Shawn Payton we just that I mean and look sometimes we will sometimes we will know better but it’s not because we knew better it’s more happen yeah yeah yeah and I’m not upset about the pick no Jake it just isn’t what I would do yeah I mean Jake definitely is Jake definitely is it just is what I would do there’s a real chance it it works out in the Broncos have a quarterback which is the best CL he loves JJ so much we did those pods after the we were selling JJ and he was out so I call BS on that one it’s true Darius Robinson Mark six Edge or D lineman drafted need one more one more one more who who do we have left on that brazwell Brandon Fisk would be a fun two for two for me mamaro would be a one yeah I mean I think we need like Johnny newon I think we need the interior guys outside guys have kind of gone already yeah yeah I would I mean from a and I know this is the bronos show but might have a little bit of overlap just in terms of people interested in what could happen with MOA coming out of CSU I I would think that the board played out favorably if you’re hoping for him to be a day two pick yep I would agree yeah I would agree edges have gone early and who knows early second would not be a terrible pick for the Broncos in fact could be quite intriguing you do wonder if he’s a little uh Nick Bonito esque you also wonder if another an early day two pick is to trade your first round pick next year which doesn’t sound so great no I meant early round three round three pick yep y y y y y early day two might be too that’s kind of the the the bummer about not having a second round pick is it usually at this point we’re like oh here’s these six guys we really like just got to make it 12 more spots right now it’s just kind of like well we’ll sit here now we’ll sit here tomorrow night and then see where they leave us exactly exactly exactly around pick 60 we can start getting excited and that’s what it was like with Drew Sanders and Marvin Mims it was like oh man I like those picks like I would have taken Drew Sanders as early as the late first and Marvin Mims was a guy I liked in the top 50 y but it’s just going to be a long wait before we can start zeroing in on those targets yeah uh Chiefs just traded up only a couple spots obviously but uh with the have they now learn their lesson dude I would never trade with again and they’re two wide receiver needy teams why would you let them jump you like that yeah I mean the bills might like what they’ve got okay scarest pick for the Chiefs is it Xavier worthy the new record breaker 40 time holder Corley still scares me more than worthy I don’t think they’ll take Corley luckily the pick is in had a chief fan tell me they would look at LAD makon and Ricky worthy yep yeah that makes sense but yeah it’s I mean that is I have my own skepticism about whether what worthy brings to the table actually translates at the next level in terms of like being a consistent receiver a lot of drops um but the dude can outrun anybody on the field at any given time does give you that element that I added talks better of just top end speed like even if he’s not necessarily getting the ball just having to account for him changes the geomet you know you’re changing the angles so with he like 178 lbs yeah he weighs about as much he weighs less than me at the moment no I mean 165 guys we talk about it from throughout Through The Years there are some dudes who he this is a non-f football athlete he moves different than football players move and it’s because he’s 511 65 and he’s the fastest guy to ever test at the NFL combine per Authority so you know you can stop him you can jam him and stuff but you you got to count for him and the spacing key and verticality he brings that offense is going to be uh tough to game plan against assuming he does in fact catch the football that’s thrown to him which was a major problem for him consistently and a major problem for the chief’s offense I mean they couldn’t find wide receivers who could catch the ball period yeah no that’s you almost wonder if it’s like a culture thing like how how is that whole team unable to catch a football and is Xavier worthy really going to fix that problem like you I feel like they could only be like a drop vibe that Happ you might be on to something right I think they got lucky with Tyreek Hill multitude of ways many many ways um and sometimes you can get lucky and think the reason you got lucky is skill and they’ve gone after all these other speed wide receivers right MH without understanding that part of tyre’s Genius isn’t just the speed it’s that he’s built like a a for for starters he’s built like a little you know fire hydrant 20 pounds heavier and for guy that’s 511 man he goes up and contests and grabs and competes at the catch point every single play youning you don’t see any of that from wory you don’t see that from worthy you don’t see that from a lot of wide receivers man it’s why we like neighbors so much you do see that [ __ ] in Neighbors um so you know I wonder if is Xavier worthy trying to replicate something but not knowing how that’s it maybe that’s part of the fallacy is it is a philosophical issue I think the counter is that he’s such a game breaker that like you might just hit once or twice a game and that’s 14 points yep it’s the Joe flacko on that playoff run conundrum is sometimes you don’t have to be consistent but you hit two or three of those long right games in a row [ __ ] you might justn a Lombard might be that easy is it that easy for the Chiefs this year I guess because you said they were dropping passes left and right and then the playoffs Sudden Change y Travis Kelsey was dropp you passes everybody which is crazy everybody yeah is there an inevitability in sports with some teams like that they figure it out no because I would say that the bills disproved that yeah uhhuh we would have been thought the bills have figured it out by now yeah um but they never got over the and getting rid of Stefan Diggs and Y all the shambles that feels like the bills are going through right now I don’t know if they’ll they’ll ever figure it out because because it looked like last year was the window yeah like now is when they have to reduce the the salary all that sort of stuff but you wonder that about like forget which podcast somebody was talking about with the Ravens too where it’s like it’s great that you’re able to do all this but it’s only because you draft well which credit to them for drafting well but as soon as you have two bad drafts in a row all of a sudden the whole like we have talent every spot in the trenches we’ve got all these studs everywhere we can just keep replacing guys all it takes is one or two bad drafts and any one of those teams that’s paying money to a quarterback they’re just cooked it’s hard to stay competitive in a league like the NFL man harder to stay competitive or get competitive stay competitive once you got paid a quarterback I don’t know I think May harder feels like it here yeah I could go either way cuz everybody that is competitive now has been competitive I don’t think there’s any real newcomers a quarterback yeah for sure yeah yeah it is a parody league so like the Texans Bengals can turn it around overnight sometimes but doing that is [ __ ] hard mhm mhm lions were in drop for a long time we’ve been in a drop for a long time Raiders been in a drop for a long time Chargers can’t I think it’s harder to build a team well I don’t know T I don’t know it’s a good question though it is really fun that the Chargers are like for forever they’ve done this every yeah like they’ve never really had like a like they’ve had good teams like they’ve had great players and they’ve never done anything which is awesome no I know like year after year of really great players and nothing to show far and the one year they could have won the Super Bowl I mean they fumbled the ball to the Patriots yeah wasn’t that they like the first team in history to have like they had like a top Point differential or it was like they were number one in O offense and defensive they were so good man they were so good LT was just killing everyone anio Gman was at the height of his lights out yeah that’s fun I mean like as a 28-year-old growing up like we had a lot of success against the Chiefs for a long time even the Raiders like the Chargers were the team that I truly hated in my childhood that’s obviously since flips with the Chiefs doing what they’ve done and the Chargers you know shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly over the last 15 years but like the the Cutler River Showdown I remember that Christmas Eve game Rivers doing the crybaby motion to him like l a fuse Matt Wilhelm yeah he was out there too yelling at Cutler back when the Chargers still had fans crazy well in an AFC West where I would argue Chargers with alt Raiders with Bowers certainly Broncos with bonck the three teams who aren’t the defending chaps are kind are kind of trying to change their skin change their identity the Chiefs are just leaning entirely to what they’re all about that would make sense though right like at this point I think trying to beat the Chiefs at their own game is probably futile yeah yeah I wouldn’t do it I’d go beat him up it’s go take it to him especially def I mean we with fangio like he kind of he had success defensively and slowing them down just never had the offense mhm for sure Tyler gon taken by them boys where you at on o line did you have any props on that no because the juice on over n and a half was uh not great I’m wondering what we’re at D lineman we need one more D lineman or Edge just one more 8 O linemen taken so far so you need two more for that over to hit and now you have the Ravens on the board at pick 30 here this could be a corner tremendous value Nate Wiggins yeah surpris wigs has last in that defense have they had IA guys there yeah Tyler Linden bom I think think defense and think they already have Kyle Hamilton yeah as like that versatile DB you could Coupe could be the other side of that versatile you know more the cover guy Hamilton’s more the in the Box guy could be something and they’re never shy about adding depth to the trenches and they could add more weapons for uh for Lamar of course now if Cooper dein is picked and picked as a safety we make some good money so yeah let’s hope yeah do you think he’s a safety do you think he do you think he’ll play corner I guess is the question I should ask I think he is a guy with a very complete coverage profile and portfolio if you will you could put in the nickel you could have closer to the box and you can have outside and I like them outside off coverage press I like man Zone I think he can kind of do do a little bit of everything he’s got really nice size and and straight line speed right um I like the size at corner just because I I want to see him get up on people and be physical I think he’s rangy but don’t you like that same size like closer to the line of scrimmage and the nickel and stuff you know that’s a good point also has hardly played any man defense that’s the thing about all those Iowa Corners is like you almost anytime one of them comes out more than what we’ve seen but true but like that’s just going to be so raw that like it might make sense to start him off at safety you’re play them in this slot they’re playing a lot of that boundary Zone but you’re right I mean it allows you to just be more instinctive and just read the quarterback’s eyes not have to be as sticky on the wide receiver right so yeah he does feel like an AFC North player Pittsburgh or Baltimore flying around back there those team are it just makes too much sense we talked about so much that’s amazing I could I mean I could see them go wide receiver too like I last few picks of the draft Anything Could Happen what would be the biggest surprise to you guys at this point over these last couple of picks the Broncos ST quarter that be shocking I think Rattler would be a fun one here Rattler’s somehow going 32 or something the fifth year option if you get him in the first round yeah I think that’d be pretty crazy that would Shock Me Yeah mhm a safety or running back being picked in these last couple picks would be interesting I wonder if San Francisco with Jordan Morgan going to Kareem Bay is a little bummed out that the last of the top like Zone blocking o tackles is move out of it could see it and who wants to move in there at 31 who’s intrigued the Commandos have a lot of picks somebody for Corner maybe that seems like where the value is yeah maybe a receiver too if you want your pick of the bunch there’s a lot of wide receiver Talent still uh cuz only five selected thus far right yep yep oh yeah where are the is who’s the fifth yeah Johnny Newton’s really good I mean that’s that’s a good one prob lot of wide receivers in Corners I tell you man could see the first linebacker come off the board come on baby Ravens uh Ravens pick is in Nate Wiggins you’re guy Nate Wiggins he’s he doesn’t feel very Raiders a fast R ravy he doesn’t feel very ravy a fast Slimmer guyc South Corner not an NFC North corner right I think I mean I think there’s definitely room in that defense for more speed though like you get you get your Kyle Hamilton it’s nice to have somebody who can say like we’ve got Tyreek Hill out there sit on the top man it’s light oh yeah I mean he is skinny bigger than bigger than worthy it’s like everybody’s getting so much Slimmer like with the way that the game is being played now receivers DBS yeah he looks skinny he looks so skin he looks like he’s this big yeah I mean it’s really becoming more of a Speed game it’s really becoming a little more Big 12 Football you know to some extent that’s uh that’s the direction we’re going and I mean you know when you don’t have two a days or padded practices o line play has never been worse mhm yeah it is going to become a more perimeter oriented game right like that’s the Natural Evolution but then it’ll go back the other way once somebody play volleyball you decide you just need five big guys up front I don’t know the way I mean the old line is getting bigger I don’t even think they’re getting smaller everybody everybody 67 68 3 I think they’re more athletic too 4 49 you know but it’s like you said it’s the traits have never been better but we’ve never had less refinement and I think stylistically not being able to practice you feel it the most in those 100% y well and then it’s a Passing League so those you know it’s big guys they’re not you’re not asking them to go set the tone and like you know lean your lean your pads on the guy you’re okay let’s get into the you know let’s back it up pass Pro be a dancing bear it’s more of a finesse job than once was what surprises me though is in college football you still see those dominant offensive lines that’s Michigan that’s Bama that’s Georgia that’s exactly what Georgia was the last several years there’s also a bigger disparity though between like if you’re Michigan everybody’s a giant compared to who you’re playing exactly like like when you play Ohio State yeah it’s going to be it’s going to be a battle but when you’re playing Nebraska Purdue you can just run him over Purdue you can just run him over yep yeah that’s true you’re not wrong though yeah I feel a trade out here for San Francisco I really do give us something to talk about here at the end I think Jake’s going to back on here in a sec we can get some final thoughts from him see if the meatloaf brought him the joy oh man if the meatloaf hit like here’s the thing if you can’t feel good after a bre Farmhouse meatloaf you’re you’re terrible at that you’re in big trouble yeah no doubt about that got the nuggets in the playoffs I mean The Vibes are good The Vibes are good if I I like what Ark said no I don’t okay oh he’s keeping his secret yeah good thing I didn’t say it I would never well I’ll just say this you’re either going to really like or really hate what’s happened so far or pretty neutral or somewhere in between yeah that that’s somewhere in there no I just I will say I if if you’re not the most stoked about how tonight played out if nothing else I like what RK said in the first hour which is that this season at least became infinitely more interesting like yeah as a guy who will be there in stands just watching from you know entertainment perspective I’m not on the Broncos beat like I I can’t remember a season in which I had less obvious like storylines to follow just general Intrigue in a team in a season as a whole it’s felt so clear that like it’s you know it’s really about 2025 and I think to a large extent like it it still is I wouldn’t expect a playoff run or anything like that but if nothing else like we get to see is he the guy and for so many years people were pissed off like they didn’t take a quarterback they didn’t take a quarterback and I know you can’t take a quarterback purely for the sake of taking a quarterback but if they are ever going to get out of this rut of mediocrity that they’ve been in this last you know seven eight years it’s going to have to be homegrown and they were going to have to hit on a quarterback at some point like I mean in the the history of this franchise the inability to not hit on a draft quarterb it’s just it’s held us back for frankly it’s amazing we’ve had this much sustained success without being able to draft quarterbacks pretty czy 100% yeah I mean helps when you get two first ballot Hall of Famers through something other than the draft very weird circumstance with both of those though you have way refusing to play for the Colts and a cad owner giving up on one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time and he lands in Denver Y and the crazy thing is like if you were to go get like a Jared Burse for example it would have been fun and maybe that solves one of your problems but that doesn’t change that you still have this massive lack of talent everywhere like you you you go from like we have Pat zeran to pater tan hopefully Jared you know so like as much as you have to build through the draft you can’t do that overnight like it’s always going to take time you get your you get you let everybody across this roster compete you get to see all these young guys do what they can do and at the end of the year you got $80 million or more in cap space and you go spend big on whatever you want well and also going into the day Jared verse seemed like the higher rated Prospect but what the NFL told us today is Jared verse was taken six spots lower than bonex right yeah he wasn’t as touted as maybe we thought it’s like having a hole in your heart I mean you can pump as much blood into your to your veins but eventually you know what I’m saying spilling out of your heart and I think we patched the hole I don’t know if there’s a lot of blood flowing through us right now but I think we’re in a much better position than just just picking some other player you know just need blood little deeply scientific analogy watch a lot of Royal p drink a lot of water oh my gosh zinc is zc important for blood trans transfusion is probably the best thing wow how do you trans what’s the NFL version of that uh trade there t Higgins Brandon I could bring them in sure we need a wide receiver why not huh yeah trade all the picks doesn’t matter anymore right right nothing matters anymore yeah nothing matters how is the meatloaf everyone wants to know bro that thing is delicious all right there’s our guy everything that I’ve ever had at this place absolutely slaps that is the best thing I’ve had here so far gour me food at The Farmhouse yes Elite eats yeah the Brussels sprouts on that dish oh my God money love to hear that brussel sprouts have had the biggest blowup of maybe anything in my life like my lifetime good job I mean for real I I used to eat them as a kid and I was like this is terrible yeah yeah now it’s like it’s like the trendy let’s let’s go get some brussels sprouts true some honey and some bacon and some brussels sprouts like the other thing is that there’s like coated in Sugar Sugar and bacon so probably not the same ones oh 49ers pick is in give it to us Henry Cooper deene really Cooper deene wow which does make sense when you think about it now what does the screen say drafted as oh [ __ ] oh that one didn’t say you’re going to have to wait to see the official screen oh man this is going to be need another for us don’t say athlete what do you need like two safeties or something one safety one safety oh wow but if he’s listed as a safety oh wow we just oh wow it’s up to the team to decide right we’re winning the thing is is Jimmy charvarius Ward charvarius Ward is their top corner and I don’t even remember who they have behind him yeah I can’t I can’t remember the uh the cornerback room either what was the conversation about the Xavier worthy worthy pick he’s fast but he’s small and he can’t catch so where does that leave you that’s about what I saw yep cool but does that spacing just being able to line them up do enough for them and opening up the the spacing of the offense you know I mean they had nothing on the outside last year they still won the damn Super Bowl who right right and they I mean they this one’s now saying Ricky Pierce all it 31 somebody got you know wow Henry maybe we did a racism confusing White Speed guys do got it wrong you don’t see this every day but I’m going to call it out when I can yeah Dove got it wrong yeah what a surprise what a surprise the literal scumbag liar on NFL Twitter got it wrong what a surprise ah I’m not surprised and then the bills at 32 the bills got to get this right I wonder if they they were about to turn in the pick and be like ah yeah sure Cooper the there’s plenty of wide receivers and then they were like wait the bills traded down they’re behind us you got to take a wide receiver in front of them wow we shall see Kumi ask in the chat if I’m okay I’m okay oh good a that’s so nice we have the best community we do I love them they’re the best they really are f fantastic people yep just one pick left biggest takeaways from round one guys um I mean Justin kind of hit on it earlier just the premium positions and the the way that positional value has been weighted in this draft is uh I don’t want to say it’s a like a new trend but it’s just reinforcing what we’ve heard so much when we talk about the draft and when we talk amongst ourselves about premium positions and it’s kind of how it’s played in college football right so that translates over I mean it’s it’s all six quarterbacks in the top 12 historic crazy it is interesting for once the afc’s been the conference with all the hot young quarterbacks only two of those six go to the AFC that’s Drake May and B Nicks the rest all to the NFC yeah I will say that this draft feels or at least the picks feels like it went exactly how all the speculation was sounding especially those last couple days when the quarterbacks flew up y like as soon as they flew up the draft board this has pretty much been what you expect those final mock drafts man that’s when those guys like empty the chamber on what they’ve heard all draft season that’s exactly what it is yeah you’re right but some drafts we do feel like oh man this panned out like a mock in December this really was like yeah the latest intel was like right after the season yes yeah yeah like oh wow Bryce young CJ stra Will Anderson go one two three like literally could have told you that in December we talk about this every year after December after the season ends like okay this is what it would look like and then we get into all the pro days and the combine and all this stuff and it kind of changes then it’s always right before the draft we go right back to where we were Panthers trading up from 33 to 32 oh which seems like a fifth year option move yeah it is which if you’re getting a fifth year option that’s typically for a quarterback their quarterback was bad there’s no way there’s no there’s no way that easily what do they need oine help everything they really do need might some sense do we know it nope 10 minute clock resets the last pick of the night I moved the mic at just the right time on that one it’s crazy how like an hour ago I was like oh this is all moving pretty quickly this isn’t going to take until 10 and then all of a sudden right on the dot it’s going to be 10:00 oh the top 15 went by and then it just came to a halul Xavier Legette is it is it really I make a little money off that let’s go keep let’s go man what Carolina is in Charlotte yeah it’s Charlotte Charlotte don’t tell let him guess let him guess Xavier Legette though South Carolina receiver yeah it’s got to be North show it’s got to be North this guy knows still keeping him in the in the Carolina the Carol right important to do that yeah yeah yeah those carolans will love a when no more $4 tickets they want to see their Carolin Xavier Legette play good point good that’s a dog bro that is a dog you had him as your fourth best wide receiver I liked him more than everyone after the top three yeah aren’t you happy that Chiefs didn’t draft him yes I’d say so yeah I mean this is a guy who’s got size speed uh he’s got rack ability he’s got a different gear in the open field too he’s one of those guys who can just like run down the field and catch it or you can catch it and then run down the field when you can do both it’s a pretty good deal cases where he just AJ Brown was a comp you made which I may marus thomasy yes that’s the one that we landed on the one that we landed on 6327 though the way you can run in the open field yikes man yeah manik and he can do it at all levels of the field he can take a screen and run 50 yards like he can work the intermediate levels of the field I guess not as polished as a route Runner as some of these other guys but the all the tools that you have to work with the player like this is uh it’s a good pick by the Panthers I want to give a massive thank you to our two presenting sponsor raising canes and Bre Distillery of course check out Raising Canes all their tender chicken fingers with some cane sauuce nothing better and Breen Ridge Distillery you want to try their awardwinning Spirits just tremendous 50 states you can find them and you can go online to Breen Ridge this.com to order them and see what kind of selection is available a few super chats from Ivan Cruz if bonck turns out to be the face of this franchise this will be one of the biggest drafts in history I’m glad we took a swing he’s right you also didn’t you know it’s ultimately the 12th pick the opportunity cost is what you sacrificed so you took a swing on bonix when you could have taken more of a sure thing in Brock Dallas Turner Brock Bowers Jared verse yeah as long as it’s not another quarterback I can live with that I can sumach it ug Bronco as a UG and Bronco fan yeah we read this earlier yeah yeah passing on is going to get you yep yep yep yep yep William gains what are your thoughts on the reports that Nicks is the guy who they had in mind all along if McCarthy was still there at 12 do you think they take him instead no no they would have traded up yeah based on what Zach said it seemed like they were just locked in on bone yeah I do think I mean it’s locked in knowing kale Williams isn’t there knowing Jaden Daniels probably isn’t there like maybe they like Drake May better yeah and that might have been the guy you trade up for but real like I think they probably came into this week saying we’re probably going to wind up with B Knicks and that’s that’s a good outcome well I think they considered bonix higher than penx and JJ McCarthy and that’s how the board played out and I think for from how it played out we can discern that basically I agree thank you Joshua on the love don’t hate on Florida guys we won’t we won’t we love Florida guys at this company on Florida man so yeah is that it it’s got to be we will be back tomorrow talking through the first round talking a little more about what to expect on day two and then we’ll be live all of day two of the draft giving you live reactions to the third round pick and beyond for the Broncos and then much more so thanks bye yo is doing weird signals so there you [Music] go we all C like the May
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They don’t have a choice. You trade Wilson away and you need a QB and your not trying to get stuck with Spencer Rattler so I understand the pick but I would not be happy with the pick
The dude second from the left is not only creepy but sounds super uneducated and like he's just a hater. Beyond glad he's not on the podcast regularly. Wow….
the guy in the back behind Todd can't belive it xD. I had Penix first and feel bad for him that he wont play in the next years potentially, but im totally fine with Nix. I want a stable good quaterback and i think that is nix
i feel like every dnvr pod has audio issues at some point or another
Can’t help but think that Jake’s hatred of Bo has something to do with the 42 points he dropped on CU’s head in 2.5 quarters.
Sean admitted to being responsible for the spread of JJ misinformation LOL. I LOVE this pick. A lot. I think he is very impressive and ready to take over the QB room for the coming future. And lets be real here, Sean KNOWS he has to get this next QB right. He put his stamp on this pick in the presser. If sean is taking responsibility, I am a-okay
Also, Jake I gotta be real here. You're judging Bo Nix on his past failures, not the growth he made as a QB in Oregon. On the topic of Jayden Daniels, remind me again how many of his receivers on his offence just went in the first round? How many Oregon receivers went in the first? The argument that Bo had this really talented group of guys around him is a lazy excuse and I don't think its as true as it is for every other QB in the draft this year. Bo did better with what he had than any QB drafted in the first round IMO (Maybe Caleb is the only outlier). Give it time, take off your SEC glasses, and give the fella a shot! I think he is extremely underrated and it's because of his Auburn tape
The audio is so bad, come on guys you’re getting too big to keep having these issues.
Justin asking some good questions, like it! Hope he'd be more reg on the podcasts.
Shoulda been penix, Atlanta did this on purpose because we dog walked them in the Super Bowl. Hope Sean can work his magic.
Wasn't crazy about the Nix pick but all of Jake's criticisms were from when he played at Auburn.
It was an easy pick. We needed a QB and there was only one left. So no real chance to screw that up lol.
You could’ve picked Nix in the 3rd round
to have the "the pick" graphic over the guys when they reacted to the picks was a terrible move.
Im happy with Bo Nix
Looking forward to Nix proving these pessimistic chumps wrong over the next four years. This show should just stick with the regulars + RK and Dre.
Stopped watching after they brought that clown on to cry about how much he hates Bo nix. Like come on, what are we doing here?
Never bring Jake back
everyone keeps saying the the 6th qb…..why does that matter? Josh Allen got picked AFTER Darnold & Mayfield….Lamar got picked after all 3 look how that turned out
Love you DNVR but you guys killllll me with ruining the reactions on big live moments (Avs Game 6 OT, Nuggs winning championship, Nix drafted) Not sure who is in charge but man as someone who gets excited to see these moments with the guys it's a huge bummer when you blow it 😕
Sometimes I get the feeling they are asking "Ya-heer" (spelling?) to do too much, managing both audio and visuals all at once…