Ahead of the PGA Championship, Seth Waugh, John Lindert and Kerry Haigh discuss managing invitations for players from LIV Golf, and whether a deal can be reached by both parties. #GolfChannel #PGAChampionship
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several of the Live players and their leadership in the absence of owgr accreditation have sort of intimated it’s up to the majors you know to make sure that some of the best players that are on that tour get included you you went through exactly how you looked at it in terms of the PGA but you’re on the owgr board um the access for them is obviously going to wne as some of their players are no longer exempt Bryson’s a good example after next year um how do you see it being resolved going forward are you sort of hopeful sitting on the side that there is some sort of a deal made so there’s no wgr question in there and then there’s also a deal question in there right so you snuck two in there but I’ll I I’ll answer them both I promise one thing I I failed to mention earlier however is that um I just wanted to thank Sally Morgan from the Kentucky golf house and Chad Martin from who was a president of our Kentucky section for welcoming us here and being such a part of senica as well so I should have done that before so on the three things I think one is in terms of our invites which Carrie answered obviously so well already um you know we said last year it’s going to be a bit more of an art form than a math problem right and and you know we have the flexibility to do that and I think we’ve you know put together the best field in golf and and that’s you know car’s job and we all sort of sign off on it and and we’re very proud of um what we’re doing here as far as owgr goes um you know they uh when Liv asked for points um first of all they publicly kind of asked assumed they were going to have points I think you know made some promises necessar potentially even uh and really didn’t apply for a while after that and then finally did apply um and I think they expected an answer in you know a very short period of time and you know that’s just never happened in any you know we we always kind of look at new tours and they take a a bit of time one is are they going to be successful are they going to actually launch are they going to you know survive more than one season um and what quality of play is going to be there before we you know begin to kind of think about it um so I think they were misunderstood kind of how the process with I’m not saying that’s their fault I just think that they they misunderstood I I would say having again I’m a one board member but we were very responsive um throughout went back and forth in a number of different times uh you know Peter Dawson was our chairman independent chair uh had a lot of conversations with them I didn’t have any directly um and we told them there was some fundamental there was some stuff that we could solve which is you know 54 holes and and um and no cut like yeah we can we can solve for that and we certainly will you know AR you know will in other places both 54 holes and no cut now on some of the tour events but there was two fundamental things that you know we weren’t sure we could solve for with math was which was relegation and promotion um and what that looked like because that was murky um and they didn’t want to share exactly who you know was sort of um there and and so we never knew the percentages of of what that would look like um and uh secondly just the inherent conflict of team versus individual play and whether that could create a you know situation and it actually became public last year when one of the players um talked about you know kind of trying to T putt as opposed to make a putt to Win It tournament he was trying to two-putt for his team and so we went back with that and and and told them if they could solve that or you know we could engage on it um kind of went back and forth a few times but they didn’t change their position we didn’t really change ours we’ve had very serious conversations about it and um and then you know without telling us publicly they’ve withdrawn their you know their their uh application and so I don’t think odor’s job is to you know to seek out tours to do that and if they wanted to reapply we’d certainly you know entertain it so I feel like you know we’ve worked we’ve behaved properly on the and Carrie sits on the technical committee that reviews all this stuff and and you know we’ve I think behaved very well and properly and it’s been very cordial it’s not you know a war or any I don’t want to pretend that and and you know they were responsive too but um they didn’t get an answer that you know they wanted so um that’s kind of where it is and you know Etc on the deal side of things look I uh um I said earlier it’s messy and and it has been right and um and it seems to get Messier every week I’m a little bit you know I’m a very optimistic type and I’m sort of hoping it’s darkest before Dawn if you will um but I think um I think you know I think the best thing for the for the game is a deal um and we’ve been very consistent on that front um you know what has been in uh you know in not an unsustainable business model has put pressure on other other places like the tour that creates you know some Financial Dynamics as well as other dynamics that are very hard and um and frankly it’s put some Financial pressure on us as well um and I don’t think that the game is big enough for for two tours um like that um and uh and I think we’re diluting the game in a way that is not healthy for for you know and I we’ve said that really from the beginning so I hope there’s a deal uh I think both sides are not only um committed to trying to find a deal but really need a deal and and in my history of deal making when both sides kind of need something to happen it it it generally does I I don’t know the timing I don’t have any Insider information that that you all don’t have but um I’m hopeful that that there will be a deal over time and and what I would say is I hope there’s urgency because I do think it’s doing damage to the tour to the the to the game uh as I said earlier I hope it’s short-term damage as opposed to you know permanent damage uh and uh and so I hope there’s some urgency in in the timing around it because I just don’t I don’t think it’s a healthy situation right now
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You Seth need to leave Jay Monahan @ home playing in his lil sandbox – when u venture to make deal. And frankly – you are just as bad as Monahan.
Seth is so full of it. More of a politician than Jay even. You guys have shut LIV out PERIOD Just tell the truth
LIV doesn't need it…
He accidentally told the truth lol. Its doing damage to the tour…….ahhh….I mean….game?
A deal will get done. It will be just a matter of how much each gives
I would have asked directly if he thinks Brooks is #39 in the world, Cam smith #61, and Bryson and DJ not even in the top 100 per their ranking. Note that JT who’s been playing terrible golf for a year and a half is ranked #31. If he says yes, then he’s as delusional and out of touch as Trump. If he says no, then their system is flawed as we all know.
Gve them points already. Silly old white people
Bullshit deal. No f'ing deal. Players who went to LIV should stay there; they can play Saudi Arabia tour. Why the F'ing insistence in all of you commenters that the PGA be sold to SA? The PGA is doing fine, it does not need the infusion of Saudi money to survive. If players want to play for them for more money, just go ahead. But unfortunately, this is going to happen. Greed will dictate that PGA will eventually be a Saudi organization.
You can have my answer now if you'd like, my offer is this, nothing. — You really want me to shake your hand, if you insist…
OWGR is totally corrupt…Waugh is lying…no matter what LIV did this PGAT 'owned' board would find an excuse to never give LIV points, because that's what PGAT wants
"The game is not big enough for two tours" What planet is he on…For many decades there have been many global tours, which the PGAT have gradually maimed, even now the Euro tour is is danger, thanks to PGAT using money to attract Euro players…so PGAT are very good at epic hypocrisy
Everyone rags on Monahan, but it's Seth Waugh, the arrogant, pompous, my-shi+-don't-stink clown who is the one that needs to be canned. Mr Bigshot has sat by for the last 6 years as the CEO of the PGA and watched it disintegrate before our eyes. What oversight and management has he provided? The LIV tour is crushing him and the PGA. He's been asleep at the wheel and done nothing to counter the LIV tour's growing presence. FIRE THIS PREPPY BOY.
Healthy.. doing damage to the tour! Whoops!! …Game is not big enough for 2 tours .. so the OWGR is just for the PGATOUR like its corrupted points distribution suggests?? Joke .. All Majors should disregard OWGR and make the fans and sponsors happy. Seth doesn't see how stupid this all is, I'm lost for more words
OWGR is a PGA ranking system…and totally irrelevant!!
Anybody with half a brain knows that…even the PGA golfers are stating that in interviews.
LIV has it's own ranking and if Majors want to stay relevant they should use the different Tour's own ranking system to invite the top players from each tour. If not the Majors will be nothing more than just 4 more PGA Elevated Events….
Jay, the OWGR, Tiger, Spieth, Cantlay and others should stop overestimating their own importance in golf for starters. What type of "deal" is there to be made…there's no deal. The PGA expects PIF to pay them but the PGA is in the weaker position compared to LIV. Should PIF pay the PGA so the latter can attempt to regain the monopoly they had…?
Maybe it's time people start thinking like adults and see things as they are and not what they wish it to be. Tours should stay separate and it's up to each tour to make its tour better to retain or attract golfers to it.
The PGA has to realize that America is not the center of the world…there are more golfers and golf fans in rest of the world than in America…the monopoly they had is over! The PGA is an American tour and geared towards American audiences, and the rest of the world had to accept that. LIV is an international tour and the world is its target market…it's America's turn to get up early or stay up late to follow tournaments.
– LIV golfers have contracts. They can't just up and leave. If Golfer A got $100 mil for a 5-year contract and has only played 1 year, will he really pay back $80 mil to go play on the weakened PGA tour? Be serious…
– The tours have different formats and LIV has a team element.
– PGA made its bed when they accepted the SSG deal. How can anybody even expect Yasir to invest his "blood money" (what they called the PIF money) into PGA when LIV Golf is treated as it is? You can't have your bread buttered on both sides…PGA golfers made the decision to stay on PGA and now they should live with the consequences (and less money) or try to get a contract with LIV…easy as pie.
– PGA has realized that their product is weaker without the top golfers that went to LIV. PGA has fewer viewers now. PGA won't be able to negotiate the same type of deals with advertisers, sponsors, and TV bosses now with those golfers not on their tour anymore. So they should also maybe start to accept that their role has diminished and beggars can't be choosers. The PGA needs LIV golfers….LIV doesn't need the PGA, LIV golfers just want to play in Majors.
– LIV golfers can't just go and play on PGA events and the same goes for PGA golfers on LIV. The only thing in my mind that can happen is if the PGA and LIV negotiate events to be added in which the golfers from different tours can compete against each other. LIV golfers will not sign up to go play 30+ weeks in a year again…just saying
Suggestion on How:
The Ryder Cup and Presidents Cup rotate every year. So I would suggest scrapping the Presidents Cup but not the team. Then you are left with the USA team, the European team, and the Presidents Cup team. Add a LIV team and the 4 teams can play against each other in a Ryder Cup-type tournament in a Round Robin tournament at the end of every year to determine the winner. That would get enough viewers and push ratings.
– Maybe PIF can start a new European Tour and attempt to make it as good as it was back in the 80's and 90's…independent from the PGA!
– And lastly, the Majors should look at their criteria for invites. If the Majors can at least appear to be independent from PGA as they are supposed to be, and they invite the top 20/25 LIV golfers (excluding those with Major exemptions), the LIV fans might start supporting the majors again and this hate between the tours can start subsiding. The different tours should also have their own ranking system just like the PGA has the OWGR…and the Majors can use the tour's ranking to decide who they invite.
It’s like everything else America tries to monopolise, competition comes along they get very defensive.
So he wants a deal with that so called blood money, complete bloody hypercrit, PIF should just give them the finger and carry on taking the game to world, unlike the the PGA which is only interested in the the US of A as they think thats the world.