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Levels Podcast:
Willie Mason & Justin Horo present Levels Podcast, twice a week reviewing & previewing all the NRL games also giving their best tips.
Willie Mason is a former Kangaroo and NSW representative, is considered one of the most successful front rowers in NRL history. In 2004, he was a part of the famous ‘Dogs of War’ team that won the Grand Final, and he also received the Clive Churchill Medal during that match.
Justin Horo is a former NRL player who played 120 games for Parramatta and Manly from 2010 to 2015. In addition to playing in the UK Super League, he also represented the New Zealand Māori team.
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[Music] this is a levels Network I’m Justin H joined by the triple OG wi Mason and OG let’s get straight into it mate and I want to put a bow on this all right cuz the news of the week has been kenty and I’ve got an unpopular opinion for you I want to hear this I thought we put it I thought we put it to bed no no no we want to keep dragging on because you know in 360 on 360 when Ken’s there he doesn’t just Hammer them for a day they get two they get three episodes and for that reason I’m going to throw something at you all right I’m going to miss Paul Kent because I think he’s done right and this is why I’m going to miss him uh when I watch 360 I don’t watch it religiously if if anything I really watch the clips right for the most part like with with a lot of social media or shows that I watch for me 360 I watch it for entertainment I don’t watch it to to get to get um tips of coaching exactly like I’m not watching it for an educational piece I watch other podcasts um I watch other forms of shows it is entertainment it it is entertainment right so when I think of like the best TV shows the best movies you got to have a villain and Paul Kent uh even though I disagreed with like 90% of what he always said yeah it one it gave us content for our show for most part cuz we play off it a lot a lot obviously and uh and and if you take it I’ve always taken Kendy you’re like I’ve never really taken him seriously so therefore I don’t get offended by a lot of the stuff or you know when he says Outlander [ __ ] it’s just like that’s just you’re the same probably right that’s just kenty being kenty um so I think he’s going to be missed on that show particular because I’ve been watching it the last couple of the days and and Jam’s doing a great job and J Jam is probably the best candidate to be on it but if you start breaking it down I sort of Saw is like the Donald Trump of 360 and if you’re looking at the next villain the next villain’s got to be because Jammer and braith are both very very astute [ __ ] people yeah and they’re pretty well thought out like when I watched Jammer’s takes I was like yeah he spot on but that’s why I like watching The Bu round for Jamma right and Brath was always that guy to sort of you know Center everyone out and make sure like at the end of the day there was some decent opinions chucked in with some rubbish and like buzz is the obvious Cate to take over and K’s role but you know who he is for me he Biden like out there buzz when I when I watch Buzz I’m like yeah monotone is boring and some of the [ __ ] just goes flies over your head just fck he says some dribbly stuff he’s probably getting a little bit too old for it like you know like I sort of worry about his health like and that’s not even taking the piss that’s just like he’s getting to that age right so those are the how I always viewed those two and and this is not like politics aside like I’m not I’m not up to date with with the politics I’m just the perception and the and the aura and the aura that they bring so uh there’s going to be a part of me that misses poran and do you think like now I think so too because do you think he’s done he yeah he will be yeah um unless unless the boys the boys club just stick up for him massively and there’s a good chance that happens who cares but he’s lost all credibility that’s the thing the thing that he had before the [ __ ] up the allegedly thing the alleged thing that happened before y had a lot of credibility everyone’s thinking like he knows a lot of [ __ ] everything like blah blah blah so once you get caught doing two things like this credibility is loss so therefore you watch that show now everyone’s [ __ ] laughing at you that’s what happens like you saw it when he come back yeah and it’s like it ain’t the same he didn’t have that same that yeah he and then if he comes back from this it’s everyone’s going to laugh at him even in the whole meantime like I want to sort of drop this whole Peak I thing cuz I don’t [ __ ] hate the blow I just thought it was a funny thing if that happened to an dude and they filmed it it’d be funny it was just funnier because it was PK and look and this I agree with you right with the DV one the DV case was behind closed doors no one’s there’s no footage of it there’s it was kept in the court so really we we never really had a strong opinion on that and we shouldn’t com on it we shouldn’t right but this one we SE on camera and here’s my point with it right I think he’s going to get sacked as well uh which is whatever like it doesn’t really bother me but I was just you know I thought he [ __ ] work on levels podcast here’s a job for you hey there you go that was going to be my next come and sit here the body signs I think he goes the Tucker Carlson route and goes independent with with some and you know what he should do he should own who he is I think he will be real man they they they understand if you’re just if you’re just one of the boys PK they’ll understand your [ __ ] man start your own [ __ ] little lane and then do your own thing and you’ll get more credibility like that don’t come out and say it was a setup and it was only joking come on you’re still [ __ ] lying mate oh is that what he said yeah that was his comment oh I didn’t say that [ __ ] just own it it own what you’re doing be real people will respect you a lot more than sitting in a [ __ ] Ivory Tower throwing darts all day and then just going doing this [ __ ] and then getting caught and then you know just be you mate yeah 100% because if that was a player right who had done it and they would have talked about on 360 for sure but we would have just gone give him a couple of weeks and and he’s back like you wouldn’t want to see a player sucked for that but it’s a different position and when he’s so critical of players that’s the that’s the the um the main issue with it is the hypocrisy of being you know in the position that he is and being critical people that’s why people now he’s people wanted to see this and was eventually going to happen there a lot of things going along you know get some help and get get your feet get your [ __ ] self back on your feet and get going with life no one’s [ __ ] rooting against you all the way no one wants to see you foul that much I don’t I don’t I personally don’t I would upon anyone either and I’m just like Just Do Your Own Thing get back on your feet get some help [ __ ] do your own thing that’s it that’s all the advice I’d give you did you see him get interviewed last night I seen like Channel 7 were one of the main ones that were over there in the interview he looked like he’s in a bad way he’s in the horrors you know you [ __ ] apparently punched some lungs lungs and awful all right well there you go people always you know we got I get so especially on the levels you wouldn’t see it m because nice is on the levels count but people you know are just add us about this Pok can stuff so there’s my final opinion on it um Ma has had his final and let’s get on with what we normally talk about which is news proper news in and around the game around players around coaches and breaking down some of the team list um had this one from Agent Zero mace hey Mason scope I found your podcast this season and absolutely love it question how do I get my hands on some levels merch to rep you guys in the BBS so me and you both organically wi knew the question was coming H you just wore the hoodie um we did these last year we sort of just got the timing wrong because these we got hoodies out in the summer what do you mean September but um I want to sit down let’s sit down as a team and let’s think about some some merch ideas it’ll be uh probably different you know you a different level to this obviously we’ll get the timing right whether we do a summer drop or a spring drop or or whatever it may be but I think the people want some merch uh so let us know if you if you want to see some merch and what sort of merch you want to see in the comments as well I want to thank everyone who has jumped on of late the subscriptions are absolutely flying off the back of the kenty uh clip that went viral sorry that’s KY again uh 700 new followers on Instagram that that clip mate went everywhere I had all my mates were sending it to me sharing it in the WhatsApp group uh you absolutely know that and uh everyone who’s been following us on Instagram and and the journey it all helps they great for our numbers so continue to subscribe on Apple and Spotify shout out to our partners BC here as well with the gr protein bars teamed up with violet crumble but let’s get into it mate got some YouTube rep and this one this one threw me off as I was talking about it right and this is the last time we’re talking about Jord Barrett I swear andever we still on him I still don’t know what Barrett we’re talking about either yeah so Tristan goes SC there’s a couple of them Tristan goes scope in his Mass he’s 2324 so not 26 because I said he was born in 2000 right I know what but then I said he was 26 and it’s 2024 semantic so the reason I stuffed it up and I thought about it at the time um I Mis um misread what what he had said so he wasn’t born in 2000 so I knew he was like 26 or 27 right so that’s what was stuck in my head but when I read it out I read that he was born in 2000 that he went to Ireland he was born two years previous he moved to Ireland in 2000 when he was three and four so he’s currently uh yeah 26 27 he’s 27 there you go that’s it no more Jord bar no more he’s in irand he [ __ ] lived there he lived in isand for two or three years he’s gone he’s not going to Cam moner he’s going to ler that’s it he’s up all right let’s go and this is another one based off the the 1, 500k uh minimum wage discussion we had about the Panthers uh itchy Nats through this one out dryfield from the Super League to play alongside clear mad running game and has X xfactor thoughts uh and the other one is rcg back to the Panthers a year or two and they get Young Bucks for days no need to worry that’s a good point they will for sure develop him um just uh just one on that I think Jo field would be a great candidate to come back he’d be like a Luke Mecha sort of six model I think in this day and age and I think he would be a great pairing unfortunately he’s got a four-year extension with Wigan until the end of 2027 in saying that contracts don’t means [ __ ] these days and um what they do have in the UK is a thing called a transfer fee so I remember there was a a guy that I was playing with MCE at Wakefield he was an absolute weapon Tom Johnson his name was had a couple of bad knee injuries and teams were looking at him but they slapped this 50,000 100,000k tag on him mate and and because they signed like four to five year deals over there on for [ __ ] all average money and Tommy couldn’t get out of it in the end now he’s probably missed his window but he would have been I’m telling you right now he’s I don’t say this lightly the best finishing Winger that I played with in my entire career and I played with I played with some uh really good Wingers I’m thinking if I’m if I’m in my 20s right early 20s I’m a I’m I’m in I’m in the halves right I’m [ __ ] coming to Australia just get me on a roster yeah and then just let me back myself like Le from yeah just get here mate just get here get under some good chage some good coaches learn the game learn the NRL game it’s a different game over there compared to here and just get get doctrinated into this you know there we got some world class players over there that are just happy to sit up in the north of England you know that they’re very content it’s very if you want to be great you got to get over here and I think just with this now with the NL you’re talking million dollar contracts and generational money you can make y you know they all [ __ ] come from they’re tough bastards up there man [ __ ] yeah the pommies are working class are just like us down here and um yeah if I was even forwards or anything front rowers in in Hales man if I’m at the top of my game in that I’m getting over as a young kid yeah and I think having Sam Burgess and all a couple of coaches over there that’d be they’d be given that advice too if there’s any young um kids at Warrington or anything like he’d be like get this house or get to here get to the NRL and it could easily be done but they need to be want they need to want to come over here yeah they got to have the one yeah yeah like Georgie Williams come over here he could still dominate over here but he can’t get out of his contract again yeah he’d be one that you’d be he could play NRL easily yeah we’ll get to Sam bures and coaching in a bit obviously with the news that Jason demetro also going to discuss a couple of proposed rule changes that I’ve seen which will help prent concussion that are quite interesting um we’ve also got the retirement of Luke Ki uh someone’s got the tinf fall hat on um but we’ll talk about kez’s career he’s proba need a tinf fall hat to know that he’s retired because of that head knocks and stuff like that yeah yeah we’ll get to it we’ll get to it as we go but um just before we quickly move off rcg he’s off contract at the end of 2025 he’s an interesting how old would he be he surely be near 30 he’d be close to 30 yeah may maybe a little bit maybe a little bit over still got some good foot he do yeah he does still a lot of minutes he’s he’s he’s a lot better than what he was when he was at penth yeah he’s he’s he’s a lot more complete he runs you know like he’s still got a lot of um a lot more football and him it’s just up to it’s up to big rcg if he goes back to penr that’d be a good good little thing for him he’s a represent where’s that G I think he’s about 30 Now isn’t he he’s got to be yeah cuz I think he’s my middle brother’s age him 2015 when I was mly he would have been the young 21 22-year-old coming through maybe even younger that was 2015 so must be spelling his name wrong what rean oh it’s with an a there we go that’s the problem I was just chucking in re he is regen 30 he’s 30 so one more year be 32 still plenty of time youal finish up pen yeah I feel like he’s the sort of guy that’s like proper indoctrinated Indo indoctrinated indoctrinated is that the right word is that the right anyway with the paramedic culture in that leader leadership group like him Junior Mitch GTH been there for five plus years I think if rean was to move on it would have to be because they’ve got a new coach and a new somewh and a changing at the well then he would I think he’d he was a part of the start of that whole um penth thing and then they flicked a lot of him and he was one of those guys and then they’ve look how much success they’ve had Y and then uh all those guys are nearly all gone and he’ll probably nearly end up back there I reckon yeah okay I think so like he’s a penri boy man yep they always want to go back home I know parata’s close but like went to Hill sports with my with my dad my brother so like just say if that door opens up and Paramount’s Windows done penth window penrith’s window is still sort of like top 4ish I’m going back there’s a pretty good chance pen window is going be top 4ish but like you know what you’re going to get with all these guys here and they’re got they’re going to need a um a senior player in the front row and he’s going to fit that mold really well and I think he’s changed he’s not that young kid that he was at penth you know like you know seven or eight years ago he’s change he’s a Australian rep he’s New South Wales rep he’s a leader he’s a father he’s all these things so it’s probably the right time to get him back cuz I think when he was there she’s wild times that’s what I’m hearing yeah like that was a different culture back then it wasn’t the winning culture that they got now yeah wasn’t set so I think he can take whatever he’s learned there bring it back and just become part of that that leadership group over there it’ be a great addition all right mate let’s get into some questions uh this one is from Doo well boys big Sharky friend from dunb Ireland D Bo apologies if I’ve uh I love it when we just get these ones from overseas though they always get me and I think now people I re try to throw names at you so you can’t explain them no I think people were throwing like locations at me willy-nilly just so they get their question read been listening for the past couple of months after coming across the Tik toks after hearing horos LR origin T we’re big on Tik Tok have you considered rolling origin lineup segments or would you both be more fixed on your 17s regardless of form love the boy love the Pod boys keep it up up up so the rolling origin lineups M you sent yours into us last night do you want to let’s let’s have a read mine out yeah or do you want to save it for I was going to say maybe we save it for review give it one more week and then we roll it out on review I think that would be the best time to do it and then that way we can um one we get an extra week to see if there’s any injuries or any form and then basically we’re judging it off you know it’s fluid right it’s fluid it’s we’re able to move yeah we can move it’s a rolling origin lineup it’s like stepen as it’s fluid yeah okay yeah yeah that’s it all right do we’ll get that going for you on Monday so uh it won’t be our final origin lineups it’s just how we’re feeling on Monday with the potential to change as we get going it took me a while to get through like New South Wales last night did my head in I couldn’t think of benches and like who to start the prop with pain and like our back row because a cam yoy [ __ ] I was like doing my head in I think I’m sold on pretty much my Queens lineup is who plays left back ring yourself well as who plays on the right does uatu come off the bench does he that’s why I’m [ __ ] with okay even Angus kryon put himself back in that equation now yep that’s what we call a little teaser oh yeah that’s what was my head last night I was like who is going to play left side who was right because Liam Martin and U are both right Siders all day and I think Liam can switch but and then cam Murray’s my left back rower sometimes and then I think I want then I want to put him lock and I want to put [ __ ] yo at front row y you know what I mean then put Jakey on the bench I don’t know because yoy is when he’s more direct when I was talking about the locks last week about like with his ball playing just be more direct because he gets the ball a lot he runs really good lines he can just dummy and go when he done that the like game two and three a lot more effective it was just game three [ __ ] game three right so he [ __ ] goes okay I understand origin now yeah it ain’t penrith yep like he’s that hey a locks a third prop that’s all it is you can’t say he can’t start origin he could start an origin at prop or come off the bench as as another prop how much easier was it to pick the Queensland team though way Queensland just I there 20 players here I put SL two SL coats [ __ ] cobos Center Wing yeah and that’s no pong yeah I know I did struggle with the fall pack a little bit yeah a little bit CU of because of the cot carrian the injuries too yeah cot carrian you got Lindy Smith there you got few yeah it was it was a bit all over the shop I didn’t there wasn’t no wasn’t no Lindy Lind um there wasn’t no like [ __ ] fullon I want carrian at lock I would have Nan and I would have FAA yep then I’d have Collins and I wanted another prop save save it for next week I’m just saying that’s what I was going through I said who would I want to pick as another prop and then go you’re probably gonna have to put Cotter there because he did that last year put carrian back I don’t know it’s [ __ ] weird all right mate um you did you get to watch the SG ball Grand Final last week all right this one’s from Cameron poovi Willie what’s your thoughts on the dragons SG ball Grand final team they beat your Bulldogs 40 to 18 some Elite forwards in there three of them being Australian school boys they really dominated the game pardon big tongen boys as Big tongen O yeah South Coast tongen boys e what was your thought on the dragons team did you see anyone in particular like probably not going to know names said there’s three of them that are playing Australian school boys and what about your boys how were they obviously 40 to 18 but at that age yep when you’re 17 just turned 18 and when you’re 18 just turned 19 there’s a big difference right in mature and strength and they had a lot of boys 18 no excuse excuse we we got a lot of young kids that just turned 18 right well that is a genuine excuse yeah I’m just saying they got out out physical they’re [ __ ] big and strong and fast they’re huge the [ __ ] number 10 there is as big as me yeah you know what I mean he’s athletic he’s got a skill set see if I can get theine the 11 um the 11 was my pick their back roll the 11 he would be a future first grader okay easily like in a year or two it’s SG B right yeah and the prop if he fixes up a few things if he gets more aggressive more leg speed but he has the Prototype build I was saying to ogre and Roy after the game I was like look at number 10 there I said 6’5 probably about 117 kilos he look huge so this guy got player of the match Jacob hen gahu Halen goo but it doesn’t have the uh the list here see if I can get the list up some somewhere it’s Loco his name is oh there’s a loco no his name is locu I think his name is I’m not sure Jacob Lo don’t F I think but I was just saying they um they look more physical but those the 10 and 11 were my picks okay I got the team list so number 10 was loo Jr Pacific pacifik Tonga yeah and number 11 yeah he got man of the match Jacob hen gahu Helen G yeah so he was he’s like a little David FAA if I can compare him to that yeah he looks like it David F is like probably about 6 fo3 maybe Orin he’s big guy this guy’s probably 61 yeah but little Pocket Rocket just I’m not sure how that transfers straight into like NRL but if he learns the pace of the game getting early ball I like it because he gets early ball and just tramples over them but you’re G up against better defenses but they have they have the they have the talent to really push for first grade especially at St George as well that’s if I’m recruiting now if I’m in in in recruitment of any club that’s my ideal size I want 61 to 63 if you get a a genetic Beast like yourself orever probably a little bit more ripped 105 Kos ripped solid plays big minutes get early ball left Edge um got good footwork uh big minutes as I said like good good work ethic well that’s you know what I mean he doesn’t just sit yeah exactly like the big number 10’s probably got a little bit of work to do big Loco he needs to be more aggressive like and he play he made some really good runs in that but like defensively yeah defensively he was just just just needs to go up a little probably like a p right yep okay just needs [ __ ] really model his game around a Tino or pain house just look at those guys and go I need that just quickly on that they’re all the same really like I’d say probably Tino’s got the most aggression out of all the boys but those big boys who play Big minutes and carry the ball they don’t really whack anyone like years past through that but they’re really being effective it’s effective they’re really effective as big guys I think and it’s sometimes I guess you know when you’re a big body and you get all these post contact meters it must take so much juice out of you all these big go out and use all that energy to try and kill everyone where like in our ER about that right it’s just about that first like [ __ ] 10 15 minutes of like just flying out justu Adrian moley talis’s Petros and all that like just Absol I said like talked about before like your head’s on a swivel like where the [ __ ] where did that come from getting hit about three times like bang bang bang shoulder back neck um yeah so it’s all about that first Contact cuz people I think they mistake it because they’ve seen such big hits like just say 15 years ago but you’re getting hit three times in different areas it’s just as hard as that first hit right and because the runners are so strong as well it’s hard to hit people on their back cleanly like Stevie M used to just flog you and you’re done the hitters are out of the game the proper hitters right you got a few of them like Victor and that they’ve had to peel back because of the [ __ ] the head knocks and everything like everyone’s just like make the tackle the first Contact on the ball get your under hooks in the third one hits here different real estate and the next one gets legs ands out that’s what I’m saying the guy just K kills legs and then he [ __ ] off and he’s got to pick which way to go so it’s like a [ __ ] W oiled machine if you got a good defensive system like penth like Le Broncos have now like penth have you know what I mean like it you know they just um you know so when you think about penth they’re probably the best hitting team but they don’t really go chasing the contact do they they hold the line and if you run into Fisher Harris leot Kenny they’ll lick you with technique but they don’t go chasing it really unless like like if you’re wedged in the corner then they’ll come at you but if you think about some of the hits where like Moses leot won on trail it’s more the attacker on The Back Fence if you’re looking for the if you’re looking to run at someone get it they’ll get you and that’s the only team that’ll get you I think Pen’s got a bunch of hitters like because you got fish Leota and Kenny yo he’s pretty good Defender but he ain’t like those three they hit different right they hit two who’s number two there’s not a clear cut number two I think I think uh bruers are up there with when Vic goes and cheese CU they got that body height and lindsays goes and they Jared leads away they got that in they got some proper hitters in they defensive base don’t forget about that about the 60 points we talked about before um Brisbane can go get it sometimes but then you got walers because you can spot him up cuz he’s he’s Def and his defense has gotten way better yeah way better but he’s still a spot in my eyes yeah hit Jensen hits good P house hits good and carrian hits good else of course you’re going to get it Billy and I feel so but that’s what happens right you had just remember our four Roy ogre myself Cory who you going to get at yeah you’re G to get try and get at Cory Hugh all the time but he and Adam Perry but they’ll they’ll get you so you it’s all middles are [ __ ] they’re the hardest workers on the team but penis the hardest hitters I watch how they hit but it’s so their line speed into defense and how they work so well together it’s like a well well oiled machine like it’s like Melbourne when it was back in the day man that’s what separates them they’ve also got like obviously they can hit but they’ve got really good technique as well they stay tight really they stay really tight they detail at marker everything has worked [ __ ] to Perfection I reckon they were a part of the leg pulling rule change the change to get you like just say facing that way they want you facing that way Melbourne started that which ripping your head the other way they would stick and then like they’ get you and they’d really hold in the contact and they pick the leg up twist around slow death take you to the ground started all that [ __ ] were started all that [ __ ] they’re like Melbourne storm with the contact like Melbourne storm like even though it was frustrating playing Melbourne like once Matt rwer and the ogs had moved on they started getting you like in numbers man they attacking numbers like we were the we were the guinea pigs for the [ __ ] chicken wings the crunches and all that sort of [ __ ] right because just say Just Wind the clock back to about2 3 4 five no one knew about wrestling back then I now one because and what was the most common denominator it was big physical sides pen were big physical Bulldog same as the roosters the Warriors like that poor old Melbourne just lost all those hitters and they just got all these young up and cominging guys they get a guy called John donu who was training [ __ ] Randy Couture over in the UFC comes over and he’s their wrestling coach shout out to John donu he’s [ __ ] great human change [ __ ] game but to their to theirs like to to favor Melbourne smaller team but we find you in all these remember [ __ ] Matt guy yeah little come in and give you a massive Crusher tackle and [ __ ] off back to the win yeah and then you wouldn’t know where it happened you wouldn’t know where all these things [ __ ] chicken wing so the breath didn’t know what was going on you got players like me getting up blowing up ogre everyone all other teams getting up going the [ __ ] is happening you’re uncomfortable this being a Crusher tackle with no policing yeah no policing why you getting a little crush tackle oh my god get me off I’m going to [ __ ] hiia you have to wear it players now know if they accidentally get in that position then they pull out but back in the day know but the refs the refs know now they go on to wrestling sessions and all that sort of [ __ ] so we didn’t we didn’t know what the [ __ ] was going on the refs didn’t have a clue we’re like he’s [ __ ] twisted my arm they’re like the [ __ ] you talking about mate they didn’t know we’re going scrums we’re talk so what the [ __ ] is going on like to Robbie Kerns and that big Bobby Cass the [ __ ] is out said next one’s getting a punch in the [ __ ] head that’s the sort of talk that was at scrums how long until the referees figured it out six since about 2006 2007 four years we started yeah so we started wrestling in 2006 no one give the [ __ ] for that long because Bel weren’t winning they’ll still get knocked out in the prelims from us all the roosters and that then they hit the [ __ ] then they got into the Grand Final in 2006 then they [ __ ] being the best team ever but they kept the evolution of the wrestling mate it was [ __ ] crazy how they got in little tactics and stuff just to throw you off and it [ __ ] did and then they just got smarter and smarter and smarter and they’re still doing it they’re still the best at it people were trying to copy them as they were advancing we so we started wrestling in 2006 that was our first teene and we just thought we hate Melbourne because they made us wrestle you [ __ ] bad wrest now theu the is all thect right so you run at me I’m bang I got the B is the m thing and then to get in different real estate they call it change levels and then because you can’t pick that one leg up the other third man needs to come in and blade they call it whatever but around two legs and that’s that’s in a perfect sort of run then you got to try and get a f Blake or a pay H or Tina then you got to [ __ ] manage you got to manage the tackle right that’s why there’s not many hits on those guys because imagine your your just say Tino run you doing there and bang late footwork F BL late footwork you go from trying to hit him to being most the so goes from a shoulder tackle to an arms tackle he’s fine in his front or an offload because you want to try and hit foral blade he wants you to try and hit him because he knows there’s no fear factor in the game this dude ain’t going to put a shoulder through my head or or my chest no one’s going to [ __ ] fight me there’s no fear factor for a big strong physical specimen who’s got a [ __ ] who’s built like that no one’s going to [ __ ] with a dude like that that’s why they’re on 1.2 mil that’s why they’re all changing the game that’s why everyone’s trying to get a [ __ ] Fina Blake or a pain har or a Tino cuz they can control the games there’s no one can touch them they control outcomes like why else would you pay the guys 1.2 why else would be chasing them like that cuz they’re the big dominant alpha male in there that can’t be [ __ ] with that’s why everyone’s looking for those diamonds out there man you’re right some really good points mate and it’s not like the uh the big dogs weren’t important like obviously they’ve always they’ve always been like that I think for a couple of years they went they weren’t as valued but now well and truly they’re coming back into game because look how hard it is to find a genuine [ __ ] gun middle that can play 60 to 60 to 70 minutes 80 if you want him there’s probably be effective all the time 90 [ __ ] 5% effective tackling probably like eight or 10 just [ __ ] hardly say about four five you think it’s four five lindsy Collins has put himself in that position now yeah I think he’s a top five prop top six okay all right let’s get to the biggest news of the week mate uh the rabitos have finally made the call on Jason demitro um we talked about this last year with the Justin hook news before we get into the details like who potentially could be taken over do you like the long we’re talking about wrestling long slow death that’s happened to Jason demitro like happened to Anthony Griffin or behind the back Justin hob you’re done Dez hasl you’re in what would you prefer if you’re a head coach CU I think I prefer to be rather TIY Justin H yeah just getting [ __ ] hey you’re out son oh [ __ ] I thought I just thought I got my [ __ ] together wow what close what close have in there again manager what did you put that in you idiot um uh yeah I think yeah I’d rather that Jes it’s hard because then I think some clubs like South’s storyed franchise everything like that giv a coach like Demetrio got the got the car got the keys to the Ferrari right yep and they [ __ ] it uh Blake Sully said in the uh press conference that he he was trying to give Jason to chance right and that’s what he got and he deserved that right cuz he he’s got the roster you know like Titans and everything the roster was okay and I thought I thought H got hard done by out there to be honest but it wasn’t working out yep and it was a bit it’s a bit deeper I know the story at the Titans it’s a bit deeper than just the coaching I wasn’t the coaching there was a lot of the other [ __ ] going on okay um but Demetrio he you know he’s it just felt like so quickly I’ve never seen a team just go from killing it like we’re thinking that they’re going to win a grand final last year they were coming first at round 11 last year around this time last year I don’t know probably five games ever since it’s not it’s not that good so was always going to happen all right so assistant coach Ben harby is set to stand in as club’s interim coach he’s already made a whole heap of changes as well uh for the for the game which will get to uh he’s moved Jacob gag was supposed to be playing the wing he’s moved Tass to the wing champ to the centers but we’ll get to that when we break down the game uh Wayne Bennett who coached rabit o between n 2019 and 21 appears to be the favorite a top of the list of candidates which include slam and Sam Burgess coach of the Warrington wolves M has been tossed up current coach of the New South Wales team just hook we talked about him he’s an assistant coach at the roosters uh a couple of uh candidates from the super league and Steve mamara who was my interim coach when I was Catland yep I like Stevie Mack too he was assistant coach of the roosters before he went over there as well he’s done his um du due diligence as well uh actually that’s not the right he’s done his time basically Adrian lamb is another candidate and I think that makes a lot of sense for a couple of reasons and then they’ve also chucked in Michael Checker uh who has tossed his name up he tossed his name up for the Tigers gig and now he he you know he coached Lebanon in the World Cup a couple years ago and I think he’s got an interesting Co coaching uh in the NRL if you were to rank them in favorites you top of your list if you’re a sorry if you’re a South Sydney fan member player who would be your ideal candidate outside outside Wayne outside of Wayne yeah well that’s that’s a [ __ ] hard isn’t it cuz he’s he’s the guy but I just I’ll just say quickly on Wayne like like of did he said that he’d be interested right yes yeah I know but like different it’s a it’s a big difference man like he got him to four what four years in a row was either the prelim or a grand final and that was a totally different team and now it’s looks like it’s in shambles I don’t think Wayne’s going to a team like that it’s still a good roster mate and it’s pretty much it’s pretty much the same roster that he had before he left we except now it’s got Jack White and you don’t think he can get the best out of those players here’s my thing with it and this is what’s been TOs in the media this this thought process that Wayne’s trying to stall it this is this is media media but trying to stall it because there’s also interest in him apparently from the eels if the eels job was to become available now if it’s out of I don’t know those to sou I don’t I don’t I don’t know I don’t know Wayne like you you’ve already said that it doesn’t seem like it was B when you say the roster right you think it’s better than it was when they got to the Grand Final you think it’s exactly the same obviously without Adam Reynolds yeah Ren’s gone so they’re missing half back but who else else that’s about it really okay well [ __ ] there could be some sou screaming at us right now throwing some names out there but like I felt like in the last couple years they didn’t lose anyone of note before the Adam Reynolds locky change um they’re probably they’re obviously bringing him in You’ think he’d get he’d be able to get the best out of L on Cody obviously because he’s got a great relationship only who can jack whiton is a plus that’s a guy that he hadn’t had but he’d love Jack he’d love Jack he would love him yeah oh well it seems makes makes more sense if you’re if you’re W all right now this is your W and two jobs be do become available now we know Sal is available but there’s all this chatter around param you’re looking at the rosters purely that’s it nothing else that’s involved with it because when it comes to Wayne whatever’s the front office in that he dictates like he controls the team right he always controls the list and then all the other all the other people that are involved who think they’re involved they’re just in the back burner right so you’re looking at the two rosters param and rabbit o which one would you prefer I think on he’s not going out there the roster the roster see and pars Ross are both pretty even yeah that’s my point so it just be preference now for him and he knows he’s comfortable at sou and he can know he knows the area he knows how to get around and he lives I know where he lives and he’s probably missing [ __ ] Barbarian so he get that mad fate cuz armed cuts his hair yeah I know imagine trying to go you seen Wayne’s hair there about 10 strands of hair on his head yeah and just trying to give him a fade he go come just cut that mate surely’s not I threw him in there I said go to see my mat surely it’s 20 the best for a little I think I could cut one it’s not that hard any I think he’s very familiar with the area you know four years here I remember seeing him down Ruby Junction in the WW he’s just part of the fabric Danny I think he probably misses that a little bit okay um misses you your coffee updates exactly give us some good a fair bit M we just sit there and just go around for a [ __ ] glass of water and just talk footy and life mate so um be good to see him get get back there I mean cuz he’s obviously leaving the Dolphins right there you go wolfy have that and then he’s just got he can choose whatever he wants he can not coach again or he can go and Coach param because I think a lot of teams a lot of clubs are finding out [ __ ] not heart it’s not easy not easy being a head coach when you Wayne Bennett he makes it look easy yeah he does he does he does we’ve said now for the last couple years when you look at the Dolphins clearly with the roster that they got we don’t have a lack of talent that could play in the we’ve got a lack of top tier coaching here’s a smokey for you his name was chuck chucked around Melman inle was tossed around right and I don’t think that’s going to happen but the current assistant coach for the Australian team with uh Mel maninger is Adrien lamb now he’s the current Lee leopard’s coach um and Adrien lamb has been successful over there he won a challenge cup with Lee leopards I think he might have won a Super League Grand Final with wig he’s done a lot over there he’s done a heap of coaching and then you still get the influence of Mel obviously with in Lamb I think that makes a lot of sense and there’s a part of me that thinks they went over to go sign this Louis DOD kid for the South Sydney rabbit o right he’s a Sten halfback but you can get that done [ __ ] sign a piece of paper and get the management to send over I think they’re looking for a coach over there so my um my guess would be it’s either I don’t think they’re going to get Sam I’m obviously Sam would do his two years over there or if Wayne does two years and just say and then would hand the Reigns to to Sam that would make sense to me that’s logical right yeah that we cuz two years over there Sam you know does he makes his bones over there wins some things you know gets used to you know coaching professional men young men and that’s going to be the D going to be the world D hang on do that again that’s gonna [ __ ] help Sam so much being those being over there for the last for the last two years then coming back and then he can take care of it you know he’s been out ofsight out of M you know what I mean like over here there’s a lot of heat on him for some [ __ ] but not really because why this has been happening social media because of social media he’s always connected to and he always will be and I just think that’s a smart move from sou get Wayne back for a couple years get some stability back yep and then get the the favorite Sun back yep I’ve got two options for you my favorites would be I think it’s the most obvious one obviously is Wayne with the progression of Sam and I reckon potentially here this here was going to be my thought on them traveling over I think they got to repair the relationship with Sam first the way he was disrespected by the club and um he voiced his concerns that are airing out now they would have to go face to face and meet Sam and go we [ __ ] up we want you back in some capacity at some time I don’t think they’re going to get him the next two years cuz we just we know Sam Sam’s not the sort of guy to walk out he proba wants to be over there right P he’s enjoying a northern man he’s a Yorkshire man he’s a Yorkshire lad so he’s on the other side but for people that don’t know I we train with with biffer biffer biffer is his brother Luke he’s loving it over there yeah that’s what I mean I don’t think yeah you’re going to be like oh Sam come back and he’s just going to rush back cuz once you get over there and you got a different mentality you’re in Europe no pressure all that kind of stuff like living that sort of Lifestyle instead of being in the bubble here living around the area like he’s he’s probably going [ __ ] why didn’t I do this earlier and he’s a like to my point rights and you know this two M he’s a man in principal so they [ __ ] him they they treated him like [ __ ] he ended up moving going over to Warrington if they were to get him back they’re going to have to go in person and go a three or four years yeah maybe yeah AR a couple you’re right Wayne and then if if it is indeed Wayne then Sammy would be the stability back maybe get him back for to be assistant coach under Wayne for a year pay [ __ ] yeah while Wayne is [ __ ] still able to coach just getting up there all right um these are the two so there’s been a lot of chat around the kickoff and the concussion protocols now I’ve got a couple for you this one’s from Joel Kane and he said this one on sen sugar shout out to the sugar shout out to the sugar and I think this is the best Prov proposal that keeps the kickoff in the game but also ticks a few box for the because there’s so much you know what it’s like M when there’s all this commentary around especially with Jos it builds momentum they start leaking it into why they keep [ __ ] talking mate this is just the nature of the world we’re living in right so sugar proposed this kick off stays in in play but there’s a so if you can catch it in goal then that’s when the automatic tap would start so um just say like a if you catch it in goals off a normal kick in play then you take it out to the 20 meter it’s a tap so what that would do is it would get the kickers practicing rather than kicking it deep into the goal lines maybe dropping it like five MERS short so you’d have to get skilled at it as well therefore we still got the contact of the kick off for the most part but you’re taking away an extra 10 m of off The Back Fence so that’s going to um I guess tick the box for everyone who you’d like to think that maybe that drops the percentage even lower than than what it is right now which is currently 3% so it’s crazy we’re having this conversation M it’s [ __ ] hell but I I think it’s important to know that it’s going to change I think for the most part the higher ups want to get rid of it this is what I’m thinking so why else would a [ __ ] little dude like Shamus come out and care about kickoffs no no Sheamus is a different one sorry don’t get that Twisted I’ll get to Sheamus in a bit Sheamus is a different proposal just say like even like anyone who is in the mainstream media why the [ __ ] do they care about kickoffs so much it’s part of our game especially a guy like Joe Kane’s played right so there makes me think that the higher ups just going make sure you start putting this [ __ ] out and so they can control the narrative all the time talk about head knocks talk about this [ __ ] so everyone can start [ __ ] building up and building up making a big case of it otherwise no one gives a [ __ ] and if they’re going to change it just [ __ ] change I don’t even really want to have a point on it yeah but see this is the thing right we end up talking about because it’s topical people talk about it so they’re gonna so this is Jah his shamus’s one so sh’s tossed up doing um uh a six-man bench so you know for instance like if you lose Moses suly I I actually don’t mind the idea as well so in the Premier League but you still only use four bench players right this way it gives you the opportunity if you lose Moses at the start of the game rather than having Tom Eisen play 79 minutes and 50 seconds at left Center you have an outside back for cover on the bench therefore you lose a rotation of a back r or a middle but you’re not so like if you look at the penth um remember Isaac Tong absolutely drilled um parata and Broncos back to back when they lost Walsh so you wouldn’t have that at the start of the game you’ve got the opportunity to move a center into the centers and therefore not be purely uh so badly disadvantaged yeah all right I get it it’s not a bad one I’m more I just more like there’s more onus on defenses that’s all it is I don’t I don’t care about like suy just should have been in a better position people off the kickoff should be in better positions like you just got to put more onus on that I know mistakes happen but it [ __ ] hardly ever happens it doesn’t happen every single game people get knocked out on off a kickoff yeah right I look there’s been three so do you think the dragons can beat the roosters with Moses with Tom Eisen Hoth in the centers P Cura played no way P could have played left center for the Broncos against pen Panthers can they win the game that’s just like that’s just the way the game goes go that’s just the way it is we can’t [ __ ] just put oh make make it this happen just in case one of our [ __ ] centers gets injured in the first hit up that’s on him that’s on the defender just make sure you get like your tackle Tech right all right you usually [ __ ] mistakes like that happen rarely right I think a lot of people will be a lot more [ __ ] concentrated on tackle Tech in those first couple of those first five minutes now you can’t just go out there crazy like that you got to know what you’re doing so I don’t think Moses suly went out there crazy though I reckon J was the one what I’m saying like you got to put yourself in positions not to get in head knocks and stuff like that I don’t see it happen mate you can’t prevent that though like we go out and we play you’re going to get head I know that but I’m just saying this need be more onus on suly why isn’t he dipping or why is why is Su rushing from that other side yeah but that’s like that happens right I know what is if he he was in position and ready to go and he was dipping and [ __ ] SE knocked him out of the way so he gets knocked out it’s just the nature of’s [ __ ] th yeah I blame Sil I’m just thinking like I don’t know how many times that I’ve done a kickoff or been in the in the way there like that yeah like that that I even got a head knock at all off a kickoff I’m taking [ __ ] hundreds of them I never I never did as well yes that’s what I’m saying it’s so there needs to be more like awareness when you’re running down like all right I’m going I got the ball I got this as I said before it’s like taking a [ __ ] hit up off the nine like just I don’t know there just needs to be more more onus on Defenders and that’s all they do in in um NRL like systems is defense you would be so I’m surprised how many head knocks there are I’m very surprised because that’s all they do it’s [ __ ] 70% defense mate but I think I think the game’s getting faster and faster and the athletes are getting fitter and stronger and therefore there’s going to be more opportunities even though I think it’s what we sign up for it’s a part of the game I just think if you had an option I actually like the Sheamus idea I think it would be great to have if I lost Moses suly if I lost Bailey Simonson for param and I got an option for a guy that probably wasn’t going to play and then I’ve if just say if everything goes well I still use my normal bench rotation which would normally be a hybrid 14 like your dummy half lock and then you got uh your big boys ready to go but if a if an outside bayy Simonson goes down Moses Sully goes down ree Walsh goes down in the first 10 minutes of the Broncos game against penth then I go all right let’s Chuck Tristan sailor on at fullback rather than moving P CA to the centers you know that sort of that would that that would be my proposal and I think that would give us a better quality of game rather than the out that happen in all three of those games yeah all right this one is on the roosters Luke Ki has announced that he will retire from Rugby League at the end of 2024 season so kez made his NRL debut here for South Sydney in round nine of 2013 played 63 games obviously won a GF there in 2014 he paid uh 1,167 for the roosters uh Kiri made his debut in this 2007a season to date he has played uh he has won two premierships with The Roosters couple of World Club Challengers he’s obviously the Clive Churchill medal that that that stands out um and everyone will talk about for years do you reckon that’s one of the most which one what talked about performances of all time that because he he Cooper conon plays with the busted shoulder and kir gets Clive Churchill completely controlled the game oh you think it was a great performance or bad no the most talked about oh it was a great performance he won the Clive Church on a team that with with a with a halfback who one one one arm grab my grab the strong how B was I just all come back with him just like yeah Ki mate what a great what a great career what a player great little career that he’s [ __ ] notched up what you Reon lines up in in terms of like plays you reckon he’s in the uh James Maloney sort of bit higher bit higher than than Jimmy he played testers remember like just after 2017 he was the six for Australia then he got he done his ACL and monster wasn’t the six and he was nearly at the peak of his powers there they were coming up through the same sort he was just a little bit before money he had all that origin dilemma too right because he was born in Queensland but then moved to New South Wales but geez don’t go there Queensland I think he I think like he obviously wanted [Music] que Queensland origin Jersey yeah he wanted to be a queenslander but he was eligible for new s while so that got Missy for him right but like if he if he play Origin Games then obviously yeah I think yeah I think injuries took its toll head knocks took its toll and I think he’s Tapped Out The Right Time yep Health as wealth I always say that there’s a lot to there’s a lot more to life than just rugby league you’ll figure that out when he’s retired at the end of the year great career but he’s done everything in the game he’s done every single thing that he could do me little mate loves his golf too so I think he’ll be playing some goal I think he’ll be on the tour with like me did he sign another year he did have one more year left I think so he’s not medically retired or anything be just a little conversation okay between um it’s not medically retiring is it it’s just him saying he’s retiring but he has a year left yeah I believe so so you would had a chat with the higher ups and this one this one comes from Jack just walk away from million dollars Jack with or boys love the partty all the way from the UK got a question for the potty do you think the chooks have convinced kir to retire due to the ongoing battle uh with uh in the team with Walker and definitely not definitely not that I just think he’s just gone can I do another pre season cuz the preseason is full of [ __ ] absolute sweat boxes and wrestling and collisions and he’s probably just done his research on his brain and his health and just looked at it and gone risk and reward I’ve done everything in the game I can happily financially mentally get out of this game healthy and thank you NRL I’m done all right and probably had Sorry probably had a conversation with the roosters and they’re like I’ll get to that yes he just I’ll finish off what he said as well also could you give them a shout out to the mighty Warrington wolves coached by slam and salmon they’re in the challenge cup semi-final in a couple of weeks and semi and the boys need a boost because they’ve had a couple of rough performances maybe the South news is getting a big slamming over there big Lo big love boys I’m immigrating to Australia at the end of the year as I’m transferring from the Royal Navy to the Royal Australian Navy I hope to catch you guys around the ground you probably won’t but um good to see you over here uh and in the Royal Australian Navy mate to your point uh just at the start of it no I don’t think he would have been pushed out by any means but uh the part that I was critical of Robo a couple of weeks ago with not being able to make strong decisions with uh senior players sometimes at the roosters which has been a criticism I genuinely have with him this is the positive of Robo this is the positive and um you can tell that Rober has genuine care for a lot of those boys that have been part of these Premiership winning teams for him so to be able to have conversation with kez throughout this process he wouldn’t have made this in one week he would had a to Robo over the space of maybe three four months maybe even last year when he was going through all that [ __ ] bro like that would have been on his head last year can’t honestly not say that because he two of his best mates have been medically retired from that as well be doing be [ __ ] thinking about that [ __ ] every day Y and this is where the and this is where it comes back in this is where like Robo uh the relationships this is a where it’s a bonus where you can sit down with Kier and go like let’s look at all things considered age um the future of the club you know Sammy Walker you know is he going to take over and be the guy do we have someone in mind and when you have respect for the coach like Ki would have like B cordner would have all these greates that have played for the club you can have a proper conversation be uh levelheaded about it and work together in a world in which it benefits both parties and I think there’s a world which kez is involved in the club moving forward just like Bo just like Jakey friend just they’ll be they’ll be like that forever yeah um yeah but yeah I don’t think it’s much more than that I think it’s a decision between grown ass men and they’re going all right I’m done yep I agree how how old is kez now kez would be 30 31 32 yeah you know he’s played a lot of football 200 games he’s played a fair bit man yeah well done kid we lost some look and last couple of weeks we’ve lost fukin and Kiri and those guys have had their fair share of concussions over the years so you can see there’s a bit of a the guard a change in the guard some guys played a lot of footy as well that that OB great thing for everyone for the game and even young kids come through the through the ranks cuz um you know 30 I mean some people get blessed to be playing like cam Smith but he made that [ __ ] look easy yeah he was so technically he was so smart with the way he played with the born defensively that he was able to play for so long it is that time of the month and that time of the month is it’s a new month it’s May so let’s with the rlpa we’ve been given our play of the month nom so let’s go through the April nominees kicking off I’ll give you one I’ll give you one who you got ree Walsh no re Walsh he’s not there no re he’s been the best player in the last month he missed games he only played two games two’s enough man two for the other guys they’ have played four so they’re going to be L Max got to be up there L Max is in there he’s got a br Broncos teammate that’s a part of it though who’s your guy in the middle Patty T carrian there we go all right Patty carrigan’s a part of it Drome Hughes from the storm was outstanding and Nicholas hind put together two really big performances late even though they’re critical of him getting points in the South game which he probably might have got with some people uh the candidates for April are Patty carrian Jerome Hughes Nicholas Hines and Zack LX for people to vote on for the players to vote on for the player of the month so congratulations to those guys and good luck um got feeling who do you think I thought I nailed it with ree you thought you killed just the last two games killing it yeah I think he’s play too was camber his first game back I don’t know but last week the first half was but you know the problem with the so fo Patty as well like Adam Reynolds has played really good in a couple of those games walshy has been outstanding but Patty I think for me I had him as my number two he just got two points two points two points you know y um who do you think wins out of those four I can Nik he’s been good last couple of weeks yeah do you reckon it’s more of the recency bias too because he was quite the first two weeks yeah and then he got hammered a little bit by the media for like because he got a couple of points in the game [ __ ] it’s not his fault ly sent us a clip that he had on uh Triple M talking about how it affected him in that good that was pretty it was pretty real very honest very real yeah cuz he only played [ __ ] what eight minutes of that origin Y and he remembers every single minute cuz there’s some [ __ ] big things that happen in 8 minutes might might have watched that over a couple of times as well um what about his point in playing Center and the difference between playing Center and six it’s big difference differ he defending like he said he was defending like a half just being tucked in too far to the to early yep and you got more room as a s it’s one it’s 5 me but it’s [ __ ] like an island out there man that next spot out is just proper one-on ones 20 me if you get those guys like Cobo and [ __ ] homes money coming at you will you get caught on your heels you’re done game over that’s how quick they are man all right let’s get to uh the preview of the games before we start that we’re going to kick it off with our levels best friend special last week we saluted we went overs in the manly game versus par that was always going to be overs and we got Tommy turbo who scored in the first 60 minutes so we’re going with that market again with our friends at the tab so I’m going to go to the Titan storm game it’s going to be overs uh we got over 44 and a half and I’ve got brimo or papy to score in the first 60 minutes so we’ve got the two fullbacks who are in red hot form as well uh for $3.75 from the Traders with a Max bet of $25 when they start putting points on they’ll put that on for about six weeks think yep exactly I’m like all right they build into that 50 so had a couple of low games yeah all right let’s get to breaking down the games and I’ve got to update it because there’s some huge news overnight with South Sydney changing their lineup as well like I said before Ben HBY has come in and uh moved a few pieces around so Jacob Gayu is out Tas moves to the wing Cham goes from the back row to centers kala mangi moves back to the second row which is great great he should have been there from the start dry Arrow uh now starts in the front row and KY has been record as for the Panthers Nathan clear has been ruled out for precautionary reasons obviously played uper North Queensland last week probably going to be pissing down with rain I know it’s cleared up now but it looks like that’s going the forecast is supposed to be going so um Brad snd comes in the half and Jack Cole is on the bench uh so he’s the guy they’ve talking about as a potential replacement for L he’s the name that I keep hearing that everyone keeps tossing up that he could be a genuine option so um our friends and partners at the tab have the penth Panthers $126 favorites South Syne $3.90 at home the line has come in from I think it was 15 or 16 at one point all the way into 11 and a half now for the pen P oh I knows this game’s going to suck because the weather’s going to be awful it’s at homebush it’s tonight it’s jewy it’s it’s it’s not going to be a entertaining game and if it’s going to come down to a grind who can grind with the best of them penth regardless of they’re oh it’s a new coach they always win [ __ ] all these little stats and [ __ ] I don’t care penth or penth was against someone else I’d sort of go near those things but like and if they had and if they had L Trail as well yeah why but like with South because you know it’s like pen they’re not gonna no they don’t give a [ __ ] man they don’t fall into that crap they just come in there and they just want to they take it personal the Schneider’s going to come in he’s GNA you know he he’s not going to rock the boat he’s going to do what he like remember I tried to go against pen that one time when Schneider come in they [ __ ] pump Melbourne I’m like come on like how does it happen roers The Roosters sorry it’s just like clockwork I’m like yeah that fall pack is still the same try and beat that that’s where and that’s where their weaknesses S I agree mate I’ve gone Panthers Aus 11 half by the sounds as you’re on the same you agree $185 and he’s been showing some bounce there’s all this chat around at the moment Drome L anytime TR score $375 I think this is game all right he maybe gets on a scrappy kick maybe maybe a lost ball maybe uh kicking to the to the three man someone CS it back maybe one of those little tries well who’s going to go for that um this little trial I mean who’s going to be the six for New South Wales we got niik locked in haven’t we who’s the other two L and Cody yes Cody’s the incumbent yes let’s look at this let’s look at this game right and go okay whoever gets the not on this game if Cody has a big game the team but Cody need [ __ ] to be paying lot Cody Walker to get that blue spot back yep CU Co because niiko has got something to say all right the seagull play the Raiders tomorrow uh at 6 pm. the first game of Friday night uh the seagull the Del Cher Evans will be playing he had a successful um downgrade on his charge for Dangerous throw TPS is back to for sipley is back as well he will return on the bench as for the Raiders Elliott wiard will return Albert HOA Whitey moves the fullback in place of Chevy Stewart uh and Nick ptri comes in on the wing for James Schiller our partners and friends at the tab currently have manly do26 favorites the line is 12 and half so do you think manle going to win 13 plus camber at $3.90 if you think they as underdogs four pins manly yeah oh man I think I think they can yeah because you got DC if they didn’t have DC you’re going to miss all to but he hasn’t been that damaging of late um yeah I think they can really DUS cam BR m concern is the weather I think that plays into camra’s hands the weather but I’m still going manly 13 plus is that that I think I can get I don’t think 13 plus is a big deal these days it’s not a big deal you hold it tight and then it’s one one you know two or three tries at the back it always happens man do you agree with my concerns on mainly playing in that sort of weather though yeah but that ground’s mad it’s not [ __ ] 2006 the ground is Brookie ain’t the dirty little thing it was [ __ ] 10 years ago how bad was that ground when it was like if we were talking about four Pines now in 2008 9 10 whatever until last year until last year it was the worst ground yeah it’s thick and if you’re a manly player you love it right back in those days chocky and killer and all those BS and all those it was thick and like yeah it was just yuck Jason King Ki Bigs like sort of they love Brookie I used to love playing a Brookie as well but you you’d warm up out the back and then or maybe on the field and then get on that field I don’t care how fast you fell you are fatigued in 5 minutes yeah I’m what the [ __ ] is wrong with my legs so that’s why you try and you try and warm up on the field most of the times and they wouldn’t let you warm up on the field yeah now it’s a fast pitch now it’s one of the best pitches in the game so um so I’m not concerned about the ground I love what Turbo’s doing and I think he’s coming into his Zone he’s coming into his own he’s really putting that foot down and um you know he’s he’s changing games by himself pretty much love it cuz I’m my manly minus 12 and a half so give me manly 13 plus and Tommy turbo as my anytime triy scorer only $195 for I think he gets the job done moving on to the Broncos verse the roosters up at suncorp now this is probably the game of the round Ezra M and S Cobo both return Jordan Ricky suffered a facial cut of training but he should be sweet Cory oats still way better S than us uh roosters Victor rley has been included in the reserves and could be a late inclusion at the expense of SE Wong uh and also Daniel tuba Returns on the wing therefore Michael Jennings who I think was going to miss some time with an injury anyway Joseph SW goes back to the centers it’s good game man Litman litman’s test for the roosters you want to know the odds mate y doll 45 favorites the brisen Broncos with the tab $275 the Sydney roosters the line is 7 and a half it’s a juicy line it’s a very juicy line do you think the Broncos are going to beat them by more than a try and a bit basically I don’t know if they’re going to win yeah yeah that’s I don’t I want to know if Victor Radley’s playing you know like that’s that’s the mail I want to know that all right let’s see if we got any updat we don’t have any mail but all right I’m gonna go to the roosters sometimes we sometimes we get this L because we’re for those that don’t know we film Thursday morning and sometimes the list change by the time the episode comes out and everyone’s like I’m going on the roosters go on the roosters yeah I just Victor rley is currently still in the 22 Jersey but I think he plays if they’ve named him um I’m against you on this one I’m going to Broncos minus 7 and a half and if I can get interesting if we talked about [ __ ] pretty looking humans with Pretty Ricky Pretty Ricky there’s a glamour there’s a glamour at the back of the playing fullback with a cut on his face is still looks sexy as hell and the price is sexy as hell $240 back ree Walsh anytime TR scorer I think revenge game for round for round zero for these boys um they’re my team to win the competition this is a statement game and I still have my concerns on the roosters still yeah against the big gun so so do I so do I just think this might be this this will be the game this will be it’s round n y all right let’s get to Super Saturday kicking off the Bulldogs versus the West tigers at aore again this could be ripped up by the time they play as well with the game happening here Robert Panthers if you think if you think that’s going to be ugly probably 3 p.m. Saturday’s going to be ugly M but it’s your bulldogs and I like the way your Bulldogs looking at the moment mate and they get Jacob Preston back uh well looks like he’s in the extended bench therefore if he was to return Jam samon would move from The Edge most likely to lock Kurt man would drop back to the bench Conor Tracy is again playing fullback with Blake tff on the extended bench now ay Corel didn’t finish the game last week with a back injury but he is still week off happy the we coming up man we need you bro out just rest up they’ve got Jake on the extended bench just in case mate yeah well I’d like to see happy just sitting in sitting on the bench near me I tell you what chat I tell you what the Bulldogs I don’t think when was the last time we seen The Bu Bulldogs a142 fuck1 42 tigers are $2 yeah- 7 and a half of the dogs um I like how man I like how we we just turning up man we’re we’re hustling we’re gritty we’re turning up we can see some consistency can see the detail you know all coming through when what’s been happening um last couple for the last 18 months um so I’m so happy for the Bulldogs as well like you know when we do a show with you it’s very hard because you’re a Bulldogs Legend and you’re still on ambass and you do some stuff with the junior so it’s hard to be for you to be critical of the one thing that I’ve seen at the start of the year was a real want to work for each other and we’ve definitely seen that now us the scoring points see that [ __ ] that see that like when coaches hear that like just say the Bulldogs coaches they love that cuz that’s what coaches want to hear that’s what they’re trying to get those guys on the same page so when you hear other footballers going [ __ ] they look uh connected yeah they look like that they look this it’s like that’s what they’re trying to be like and for you to say that and even guys like Ry who are [ __ ] harsh harsh task Masters right and very harsh on the current Bulldog Squad all the EX players guys that are [ __ ] you know my generation when they say stuff like that it means a lot the highest yeah it’s the highest praise from former players and even current players and whatever they’re going okay they look connected they look like doing stuff for each other cuz every coach would want their team to look connected yeah for sure and that’s what’s happening now because attack will come keep working on that attack will come and it is now coming for him um I watched the mattye John’s late night show on Sunday after the games and Steven kryon and Jacob kran yeah one thing I noticed KZ is [ __ ] hilarious he’s a gun and he is you know what you need a strong Lebanese president The Bu you do we always do you do mate you do with the man just passon I think it’s important because you got such a strong Lebanese fan base so that’s another underrated part of and when Carz is a proper gun too then obviously you know they rally behind him but the main part I took out of it was Steven kryon is a man yeah Ste Cen has been on the scene now for what four five years four five years and you know sometimes we look at players that hit the scene so early like him so you know all these players I’ll probably think J Sai showing glimpses of it for for me they hit the scene when they’re 189 because they’re just genetically gifted I’m looking at Steven mcon now and I never thought him as a kid but he is a [ __ ] man now big man and he’s you can tell he’s having an impact on that team I love the way he talks I love the way he’s just got a presence about him and give a 100% of the credit to oh give a lot of credit to Cameron serado but I reckon Steven kryton’s in in uh he’s put a lot of belief in this team as Captain and he’s he’s he’s a candidate for captain of the year so far for me already and it’ll be interesting to see what happens for May the he he should get it he’ll be right up there he’ll be right up there um he’s been really good and he’s got no ego mate they talked about moving positions and playing fullback he always says the right things he looks like he’s a team player really impressive he’s a really impressive impressive um I like your uh I like your Bulldogs mate um I’ve gone them minus 7 and a half and I got some value on he’s sort of guy he hasn’t been talked about as much and I think he likes it this way Maddy Burton yeah he hasn’t know no one’s really talking about Matty Burton everyone’s talking about kicks everyone’s talking about Sherry everyone’s talking about coning J he’s the dude if you give me $5 for maty Burton anytime Tri score right bang game over give me that one of my favorite bets of the weekend show and go for kicks love it get that little or maybe maybe he plays short wraps around little offload something like that that’s the way maybe short dummy to the open go the blind love Itor over I think you might a couple anyway um speaking of strong ball running 58s there’s none better in the game than me little mate cam moner who play his 200th game big one for the Melbourne storm against the Titans uh up there at go Coast at C super stadium so for the Titans they lose M A Waker which is a huge out Joe sson will start at prop da feder is named to start but we know he loves coming off the bench as for the storm nowon not against 200 game melbour and they don’t lose these games they get up this this is the team that get up for all these little things yeah I agree you know the individual accolades the 200 Gamers the 300 Gamers the 250 the 100 they never lose them M it doesn’t feel like it does especially for Cam moner doing East having east2 yeah amount of effort that would be put into that he’s going to go hard just from everyone else man he’s going to we know what cam moner can do it’s just everyone else putting in that extra effort for him that’s how much that’s how much respect he’s held in down there all right Nelson ofof Solomon has been named but he come off the anac day test would look like he done his hammy so I’ll be surprised if he plays as for you mentioned Mt guy before you reckon the modern day ma guy for the Melbourne stor is tyan wishart now he’s playing on the wing he plays six he plays hooker is he on the wing he’s on the wing this week for I would be I would be surprised if song was not part of this lineup why hasn’t he been because Ryan paping has and play fullback for him okay but we can’t put him at 499 so I think I think they could so I think maybe we see Fong at 14 as cover but I wouldn’t be surprised maybe they give him a goal on the wing over tyan Wisher mean yeah pretty mean I know um the Wishard name is strong on the wings but Tyron wiard’s more of a he’s a hybrid hybrid through he can play Anywhere that’s probably going to be to his fault as well yes he’ll be one of those he’s going to play 100 games and we don’t know what position he probably played five in each all right so the Melbourne storm are $18 favorites obviously the Gold Coast Titans are $480 the lion is 14 a half I think it’s going to be a touchup as well Ma and I’ve got to go the money man on his 200th game cam monster $310 I was Furious I didn’t have him last week when he crossed over and he was going after that game -4 a half the storm as well moving on to the last game of Super Saturday we have the boys at home to the Dolphins Harlem luky Stow is named to play with his return on the bench coming at the expense of Jake Granville vamy viia I’m really excited to see him play I think he’s a real player um or he’s a player that can really insert himself on this lineup with a big game because Tom Chester has done his hamstring and he is out yeah as for the Dolphins they got a couple big names coming back too felis KUSI is back Connelly Limu um Jesse bromich has been named but he was 5050 at the back end of that game as well against who do they play the knights um which could see mtis Wallace uh of the Jared variety back in the team as well um the tab have this game at $140 Cowboys $3 Dolphins and the line is eight and a half I don’t I think if they can capitalize off a little bit of good form last week against penth and just start off with that sort of energy and and and attack like that and defend like that for 80 minutes they’ll get this game they never got nearly got pen that that [ __ ] intercept before halftime and a couple little soft tries uh minutes kick you know what I mean like drops that ball Martin scores the game so um I think they can just if they grow off that they can make a run for it yep I agree I got the Cowboys minus 8 and a half and I do like V army VI as well so give me some people missing for origin so they need to grab these [ __ ] points now otherwise they’ll really fall down um all right moving on to the knights vers Warriors at McDonald James Stadium on Sunday at 2m Jacob Citi is in doubt therefore Jack heatherington is back from suspension so he could likely swap in for him um The Warriors are set to run as per program with bun of fall set to play after missing some time and Kurt cewell was also back uh our partners and friends at the tab have the Newcastle Knights $235 underdogs at home $160 favorites the Warriors despite the poor form of recent times and the line is minus 4 a half how do you see this I like the Warriors still I just I just feel like they’re not that far away they they’ve lost some big games at home which is very just it’s just really weird how they’ve lost them they just feel like they they’re in the game and they just seem to lose it and it’s defensively yeah it’s defensively nothing’s in attack they just leaking soft tries so the last three games the manly game where they should have got beaten they they they’re lucky they got a one point off that they call it back to one point then they get hammered by the dragons at win and you said they hard to beat down at wind dragons and and then a poor performance at home against the Titans who hadn’t had a win but the Titans were great but it’s still they hadn’t won all year so I had the knights last week and I was happy with getting the win but nothing like a road game up in Newcastle yeah it’s going to be hard man Newcastle AR they’re not they’re not giving up on their season because of KP no way they’ll probably think you know like Hastings has got another chance to impress and Gamble and all these guys like we you know get they got a Galvanize and um games like this can really you know like last week can really Galvanize them going into this week right and then you know like how do the Warriors what are the Warriors made of right we’re going to [ __ ] see in the next couple of weeks because they’ve had some poor poor defeats and poor performances like they’ve got all the all the attack in the world they just need to get their [ __ ] together in defense because that’s what wins competitions if they want to be a threat at the end of the year get that [ __ ] together yep I’m with you Warriors minus 4 and a half chance Nichol clad got me anytime TR score at the start of that game man tough G tough game all right the last game is the Kola sharks at home in the derby against the dragons Toby Rudolph comes back into the bench at the expense of taku H tapu TOA the dragons luchian laoa is set to return from injury therefore Ben Ms Marcilla would likely be the player that drops out with Moses suly missing out Zack LX goes back to the centers uh mace be hard k120 dragons $450 underdogs the line is 13 a half do you think the shark’s going to beat him 13th plus yeah do you so do I I thought you going to say the opposite I just think the sharks are just in a real Purple Patch man they’re just playing some really good football and yeah I think um the dragons will cop this one for a few people the jury is still out on the on the sharks they think they haven’t really beaten top quality teams and I can understand that as well I’ve sort of been a little bit the same like I’ve been on the Sharks but like look at their winds so they obviously the Raiders without foggy they ham the Cowboys is a pretty good form line 426 against them is that’s still a good Cowboys team um against the Rabbid with all that [ __ ] that was happening to Jason Demetrio obviously uh and then the Raiders 3622 when the Raiders winning that game 180 so the dragons the sharks have uh the dragons which is a derby I think the dragons will be up for it the fleno um [ __ ] talk which I think is going to go against the I’m going to I’m going to SW I’m going to swap you going to swap I’m going to go the dragons I didn’t mean to talk you out of it but cuz I’m actually on the think I just think St George has got something okay and they’ve got a good upset in them you know and I just think they got they got they got enough tools there to win and enough motivation you know why I think they’ve got to beat them so they play the dragons this week shanos talk flanos talked a little bit of [ __ ] in the presser as well so I think that will add to love their coach then they’ve got to go in rounds 10 11 12 going into origin storm at Melbourne roosters at home Panthers at home so they have to win this game yeah and it’s a derby it’s always [ __ ] hard yeah so I’m going to go I’m on the mate obviously you go George no I’m on the the sh yeah that’s what I mean I didn’t mean to talk you out of it as well and I’m I just want I just feel like they’re all right St George they’re better than last week yes they are that was disgraceful yeah I still think the sharks are just going to get that line right at the end niik hin anytime try scorer at $33.75 uh as always we want everyone to be gambling safe during the foot season so please keep front of mine what are you really gambling with with freeing confidential support call 1800 85885 8 OG another good show enjoy the foot over the weekend everyone and we’ll see you on Monday for the review
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The pronunciation of island names..not even trying lol
The guy in the glass house got stoned.
Surely the boys gotta discuss the Topine and Perrett cases next week
My mail is Kenty is going to be starting up a podcast with Barnaby Joyce called 'Three Sheets to The Wind'
I think the main problem with head knocks now is that teams don’t teach good tackle technique at young ages anymore it’s all about the wrestle and dirty play we need to reward legs tackles more to stop this poor technique
Kent is a wet paper bag. He gets stuck-the-fuck-in to teams players and management which is fine, if you are in the mud with the people you're shitting on so you get your hands dirty at the same time. Not looking down on people from your penthouse view lol
I agree with the Kenty thing. That old bastard won’t just let himself fade out. He’s that cockroach that won’t die no matter what you do.
How you compare Kent to Donald Trump? You low-key feminine if you is bro.
Nah fuck all 🍞 kicking back with the levels boys
Here’s a question for yas, do teams plan which prop they’re going to kick it to from the kick off and if so what factors come into making the decision? Also in your playing days, were there any props teams would avoid kicking off towards. Cheers
Hey Scope! I would genuinely purchase a ‘Scope’ or ‘Levels’ branded extendable telescope.
I’d love the novelty of whipping it out of my pocket to get a zoom in of the boys at the game just like they did with binoculors back in the day. I remember my Pa doing this down at North Sydney oval when I was a kid.
I’d really HAM it up too because I don’t mind a bit of silly buggers. But I can honestly see a crowd full of people getting their scopes out when the ref blows a shit penalty and they need a closer inspection or maybe I wanna see my boy Addo-Carr dart in for his 5th up close and personal. Up the Dogs btw!
It’s a gimmick, but it’s a bit of fun and it connects with your brand.
– GK (L1D1)
What about keep the kick off but have the in goal idea so you can take a tap at the 30.
OR
If you do a short kick off and it lands between the 40 & 30 then the team that catches the ball only gets 4 tackles instead of 6. Then there is an attacking advantage for the kicking team but not a disadvantage for kicking short.
Kudos on the Paul Kent piece… no one in footy media is really talking about it. I get that they’re colleagues but how many times have we seen Paul Kent, Buzz etc throw other ppl in the game under the bus… live by the sword , die by the sword 🗡️
Hey boys been loving for poddy since mid 2023. Good chat about the tackle technique and hitters by Mase. What is the best, most simple way to instruct young kids to do a group tackle these days? If one on one, what should the defender do? Stand tall and wrap up the ball? I’ve just started coaching junior footy and it’s obviously a bit more complex these days than just tackle round the legs. Cheers boys
Should use the shit politicians in this country not like it's any better here then the usa.
All jokes aside…I wish that it was Buzz, hitting the tree
Tevita pangai Jr back to penrith to replace JFH next year lads after his boxing break surely wouldn't take much cap space and cleary got him playing well for that brief loan period?
Hey boys just curious on some thoughts on souths, writing this just as Edwards sets up May’s try, yes theres injuries prior to this game and more during it, blokes playing out of position etc but the effort and attitude shown right there is disgraceful. As a souths diehard watching this it’s tough going. What can you put it down to and how can they fix it?
Jahrome Hughes for the win! Also we created a new drinking game for the boys from the podcast. Everytime Mason says fuck you drink……. hectic
Jai field won’t play in halves to much tackling for him
Would love to see a Levels heritage jersey!
Keary over Maloney is absolute nonsense sorry lads 😂
I’d cop a levels hoodie for sure 👍🏼
Where is Geoff Toovey these days and why isn't he ever thought of when these coach names are tossed up?
Get some levels singlets scope for Sumer
Scope the manly boys have some hitters too, jake snapping blokes with hamoule who nearly sent olam to early retirement. Even croker can hit then brownie off the bench
Hopefully he loses it all!!! He built a career of trying to destroy peoples careers and reputations. Good riddance
Kick off- Willy on point with work on technique not taking it out of the game. Also someone else said start rewarding the low leg tackle. Ball runner has to surrender for a bit longer or something like that.
Kenty is just a big mouth alcoholic
34:52 parramatta roster is better
Hey boys, the Rev here, just a questions that I think about most games.
How much coaching do you think goes into captain challenge calls?
The amount of times I see 50/50 calls being challenge in first half that are called unsuccessful which then are unable to challenge in the more crucial final 20 mins of the game.
Some teams seem to be a lot less careful with them, whereas teams like Melbourne seem to have much more clear guidelines as to what they challenge, and always seem to keep it up their sleeve for later in the game.
I know gaining momentum in any way is a huge advantage, but would you be challenging anything in non crucial moments of the game unless it was extremely blatant?
Keep doing the lords work boys.
Paul Kent is not a villian… he is just an angry human, and I use the term human lightly
Gday Lads, Taylin here, love the poddy! Learnt a load about the game since I started listening to you guys since round 8 last year.
A question for both of you dauwgs, what’re your thoughts on how many poor calls we’ve had in our game these first 8 rounds of footy. Obviously it’s shit but how on earth with such a sophisticated game do we still have such poor calls?
Ps, removing the kickoff will kill the game. What bullshit.
Sua just came back from an injury and Melbourne are going to play him all across the backline in cup first
All the talk about kick offs and concussions surely uncle wire remembers the biggest ko off a kick return when ogre runs back a drop out and knocks out bryce young after they had been arguing like the set before 😮😮 mark omeley was a baaaaaad man
Unky Wiremu and aunt Justy. I'm a kiwi born in queensland. So very unbiased towards NSW. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about Blake Edward's for the number 1 jumper?
I grew up with union, I was a die hard union fan, but after living in aus for the past few years I have embraced league, and I'm loving it! Podcasts like this are so much more interesting and more informative as opposed to watching "the breakdown" keep up the good work guys 👊
Hey if you wanted some merch ideas get knuckles from ctc to make you guys some levels network hats
Great episode lads, have to agree with mason about there having to be more responsible on defenders to use better technique, it seems a lot of the recent rule changes or additions have been made on the back of poor technique or made to benefit struggling teams.
As much as I like the idea of the six man bench but still only using 4, I think they should look at what the top teams are doing before changing anything.
Prime example would be storm and Penrith that have that proper utility on the bench in Dane Laurie and Tyran Wishart.
The best example would be Laurie for Penrith, we sacrifice one of our seventeen players for Laurie because he can cover 1-7, most games he'll play less than five minutes but the rest of the team is good enough to cope technically being a man short.
All teams should aspire to be that fit before we go changing the structure of the game, do you guys agree with any of this or have something to add?
Can we talk about the felise kaufusi haircut?