Bruce Prichard and Conrad Thompson celebrate the 20 year anniversary of Judgment Day 2004, and what some believe could be the bloodiest main event in WWE history. The guys discuss the massive changes in the WWE during the time and how Bruce managed through them all. The epic battle between Eddie Guerrero and JBL that developed into a serious concern for everyone backstage. And, Vince McMahon sweeping through the territories buying the tape libraries to eventually start the WWE Network. All that plus so much more on this epic ride through Judgment Day 2004.
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hey hey it’s Conrad Thompson and you’re listening to something to wrestle with out Bruce Pritchard I can’t believe this is real but we are putting out an APB for Mr Bruce Pritchard he is uh off the radar and we can’t reach him no fooling uh we think it’s because he’s in international waters uh he’s plot been plotting a big getaway like an episode of uh DuckTales you know where all the ill-gotten gains that he’s made in WWE all these years he’s just diving in that [ __ ] like Scrooge McDuck on some Island he bought no not that Island uh no serious business uh Bruce took his uh after WrestleMania vacay and I thought he’d be back by now but he is not so good for him unfortunately for us it means oh you’re just stuck with me but that’s not a bad thing because we’re talking about a really special show a real sleeper show I feel in the history of WWE I’m talking about Judgment day two 2004 uh we are nearly at the 20year anniversary of this show and if you’d like to check out backlash show4 Jr and I just did it that was the April of ‘ 04 uh WWE pay-per-view this is the May of’ 04 WWE pay-per-view and just take a listen to this I mean listen I don’t usually think of 2004 as being a banner year but dude The Opening match is Rob vanam and Rey Mysterio taking on The Dudley boys can you imagine I mean if you would have told me that that was possible in like 1997 or 1998 or 1999 well we got it just a handful of years later at judgment day04 that’s where we also would see morai remember him yeah he’s taking on Scotty to hottie we’ve also got Charlie hos and Rico taking on Hardcore Holly and Billy Gun how about Chavo Guerrero with one hand tied behind his back taking on Miss Jackie John Cena defending his us title this is before he’s a man taking on Renee Dupri The Undertaker working with Booker T and in the main event boy one for the ages a match I’ll never forget as long as I live I remember exactly where I was sitting I remember who I was watching with it was an incredible performance by both JBL who all of a sudden was thrust into the spotlight and Eddie Guerrero Eddie Guerrero is just a few months from moov from beating Brock Lesnar from hugging Chris benois in the middle of Madison Square Garden in front of all those fans soldout crowd and all that ticker tape coming down they were both Champs it was an emotional Journey for Edie Guerrero and you want to talk about the Blood The Sweat The Tears it’s all here in this match but think about from a JBL standpoint man that dude he’d come in as sort of a I don’t know maybe a mid-card performer as Justin Hawk Bradshaw and then eventually we know became a a new Blackjack and well maybe that didn’t work out the way we hoped and he became an acolyte and that became the APA and it was such a fun act but when Ron Simmons finds himself being released I think it would be natural if you were JBL to wonder uh what about me how about the main event and a blood bath for the world title that’s the story of Judgment Day 2004 and no it’s not Dominic Mysterio’s Judgment day but what a fun pay-per-view it was Bruce and I talked about it way back when and we are going to heat that up for you right now hoping to pin down Bruce sooner rather than later Lord knows I’m ready for another episode of something to wrestle with Bruce Pritchard but in the meantime enjoy Judgment Day 2004 it’s going to be a good time oh and speaking of a good time before we get going I want to remind you guys about Embark you know Mother’s Day is right around the corner and if your mom or your wife loves their dog man Embark is going to be a gift that everybody is going to be talking about come Mother’s Day Embark is the provider of the most accurate dog DNA test on the market it’s the ultimate gift for every occasion especially for Mother’s Day my mom loves her dog I can’t believe this is real but she is a labradoodle she’s been with my mom for n years and I’m convinced that my mom cares more about this dog than she does my sister 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do that um I don’t know get just getting bored sure sure well we appreciate you finally being able to sit down and US hook up you and I have had the craziest schedule ever you for work me for well some interesting family stuff that I’m sure everybody’s in the loop on and uh we’re finally able to sit down and record our plan was to air Judgment day last week life threw us a curveball so we aired the roast of Bruce Pritchard which had been in our plans to air the week of starcast so that got moved up uh starcast is happening right now uh if you haven’t already make plans to join us on fight you can see all the events from last night and of course everything going on today and tomorrow and Sunday and Sunday it’s our last scheduled live something to wrestle and uh Bruce I’m pretty excited about this this will be uh the first time you and I have had something like this live streamed and it’s our last scheduled something to wrestle yeah it’s kind of one of those happy sad moments it is a little weird because you and I have gotten so comfortable with you know at least once some times twice or even three times a month uh getting a band together and and jetting across somewhere in the United States and Gathering up hundreds of something to wrestle fans and throwing together a live show and now uh you’re jetting across the globe for millions of WWE fans instead and um it’s a little Bittersweet to know that this might be our last live something to wrestle I hope not but if your schedule continues I don’t see how we’ve got time to do anymore well by God the definition of impossible is nothing so by he look there will be more live it’s just a matter of when and matter of actually getting it scheduled getting on the books and figuring out how and when we can do it so I refuse to give up and we will figure it out it’s just frankly the break will be nice a little bit did you hear what I said the break yes okay well either anyway uh go ahead and and make plans to join us on your holiday break this weekend of course it’s Memorial Day and what better way to spend it then uh overdosing on some wrestling at starcast on fight uh but let’s talk about why we’re here today this is a big one uh I’m pretty excited about this Judgment Day 2004 uh we we’ve recently talked about this show a little bit when we covered JBL I think this is uh one of the shows that really made him and I think even he would agree uh it was all about his Feud with Eddie Guerrero and Eddie Guerrero’s performance on this particular show is unworldly so if you’re only going to watch one thing on the WWE Network this week may I recommend it be this main event from Judgment Day 2004 of course we’re covering it because it happened 15 years ago May 16th 2004 at the Staple Center in Los Angeles California is at a 38 Buy rate which is roughly a $3 million gross for company revenue and um I guess we should mention we’re less than two months away from the draft in WrestleMania 20 so we’re still very fresh into this sort of New Era of the WWE and we’ve covered that draft in the archives and just recently covered WrestleMania 20 so if you’d like to catch up on those you can certainly do do so at something to wrestle.com and Paul Heyman was the smackdown GM and he’s been drafted to raw and he promptly quit in storyline uh we also saw Triple H be drafted to SmackDown and then a trade would send him back to Raw in exchange for Booker T and The Dudley boys man uh it feels like the more things change the more they stay the same you know the draft happens and then maybe events changes his mind and no let’s just go back to how it was well I think there’s just sometimes once everybody gets settled and you see it it’s one thing on paper but then when you actually put it all together you look at it and go ah maybe this works better over here and you make your adjustments and then try and settle in for a little while you know we’ve talked a lot about how in 99 the business is just at an all-time high and that’s always fun to sort of see how quickly it’s growing that’s not the story here in ‘ 04 in May of 03 your average attendance is 4,629 folks in May of 04 we’re down to 3,878 folks so we’re down 16.2% as far as average attendance for these shows and your gate is actually down a little more you go from 162 down to 133 uh so you’re down 17.7% uh your house shows are not nearly is sold out either um obviously with less attendance if you’re running the same size building that’s going to follow suit as well uh but ratings are down a little bit too in May of 03 year to 3.8 in May of 04 you’re to 3.62 and a really really alarming is when you’ve got two digigit losses on ratings here when you go from a 3.2 for Smackdown in May of 03 to a 2.93 for Smackdown in ‘ 04 so this is the first time we’re seeing something with a two in front of it uh chat me up about you know how the ratings were being viewed here this is a post Monday Night War era maybe it’s not as important as it once was maybe it still is I know fans and wrestling Observer readers and you know people who sort of keep up with the business end they would say oh no uh this is something that we need to pay attention to is that the same reaction from within the office well we definitely were paying attention to it however at the same time we knew that changes had to be made not only on Smackdown but on Raw as well so there was a conscious effort and the statement was made often okay we’re going to have to take uh maybe four steps back to take a couple going forward and we knew that we knew that this was time to shake things up make some Investments ments and do some experiments with talent to see if it’s going to work it was a conscious effort we knew things were going to go backwards for a little while because we just didn’t have the story lines and we didn’t have the talent at the time set in story lines to really know and and this was an experimental time I do want to talk a little bit here about Steve Austin because it does feel like um this is the end of an era and maybe it’s one of the reasons why you know it feels like such an interesting time in the company Steve Austin and Vince McMahon have verbally agreed that they’re going to do business together indefinitely um but they’re going to sort of try to go their own separate ways because contractually uh they’re not going to work it out for him to be a full-time character and that happens when they meet in San Antonio on April 6th and one of the things that I I saw in my research is that they’re going to work on some of these projects together of course they want to do a WWE film with you know so he has a movie vehicle and we know what that’s going to be but also saw that they had plans to Market a Stone Cold Steve Austin beer now we know fast forward I don’t know a decade and there was the broken School IPA but that’s not what the plan was here this was this is 04 so there was a plan for a WWE Stone Cold Beer is that right what can you tell us about that well we had been working God we had been working on a beer probably since 98 going back in time of trying to do something with rather it was uh whether whether not rather whether it was Steve basically sponsoring a beer or having his own beer and we had talked several times with different Brewers across the country across the world to do a beer a special beer uh from the Kors Brewing Company to the uh got anheiser Bush their light brand to do something with that and some Canadian beers had their hat in the ring and it was an ongoing process trying to get through that process and weed your way through was a painful process in and of itself however you know we had talked about it yes we we definitely had been working on a beer for Steve for a few years at this point and it had come to it had started to come to fruition where it looked like it was actually going to happen when everything communication and just disagreements started to take place let’s talk a little bit about um something that was written in the torch and I didn’t know this the WWE was under the impr impression that Austin was close to signing a deal with dreamstage entertainment although those at dsse and others say the deal is not close to being finalized Austin is said to be waiting for offers from any interested parties in Japan before committing to one although DSC would have the inside track because they seem to have the most money and also have Bill Goldberg so it is fascinating to me that even here in the early 2000s or maybe the mid 2000s at this point I guess for for when things in America aren’t exactly what you’d like for them to be you think oh well I’ll just go make money in Japan that that’s sort of the feels pretty old school uh but DSC of course is dreamstage entertainment and and some of our MMA fan listeners would be familiar with that because that’s who put on the pride events um you know back in the day there were there were two major organizations the UFC here in America and Pride Fighting Championships uh across the pond in Japan and they also put on a series of wrestling events uh named hustle and and hustle was going to be like their big new thing when you guys hear or do you hear that maybe Steve is talking about doing something in Japan because I mean they did have some names that you would remember you know from way back in the day like abdulah the butcher who was obviously a big deal in Japan and of course they had big Japanese Talent like the great muda but they also had Goldberg once Bob sap who was a a big name for a minute which I know in hindsight doesn’t seem like it should have been a thing did you hear he was talking to Japan and and was Vince McMahon concerned about that I don’t I don’t think we were ever really concerned about it because of Steve’s health and his neck issue being the way that it is to work that style uh with Goldberg might have been different uh because I think that bill probably could have protected Steve and that could have gotten through whatever they needed to get through in a match but Steve going over there there wasn’t that big of a concern and you hear those rumors all the time especially at that time frame because if a guy was unhappy oh i’ just go to Japan and Japan was also starting to lose its Allure here because the the bigger companies just weren’t doing the kind of business that they had done before but it was I’m sure it was a rumor that was out there and from our Vantage Point as far as Steve going to work for somebody else on any kind of full-time basis that wasn’t certainly wasn’t a fear it was well we definitely want Steve for us if Steve’s going to do anything in the wrestling business and we want him to do it for us and that’s that was the battle that was what was taking place uh you know it’s speculated of course that what hustle would want to do and I don’t think think this is a big stretch is if they were to land Austin to try to do the match with Goldberg and it just feels like an Austin Goldberg match not happening for Vince McMahon and instead happening for Japan would have made his freaking mind melt do you think that I mean hypothetically if that discussion would have gotten farther enough along and Goldberg was allegedly saying he wanted seven figures per man to give Hustle the rights to Market that match do you think Vince would have done whatever he could to to beat that offer and and try to make that match happen in WWE I don’t know if he would have uh I really don’t know because obviously we never got there it was never taken seriously to that next level had Steve gone to work for someone else in a wrestling capacity I think that would have hurt that would have hurt Vince I think it would have hurt him personally but you know it didn’t so it’s kind of hard to speak to that and if there was a match out there the match was definitely Goldberg versus Austin yeah I mean it’s there would have been money in them their heels and and Wade even speculates that he thinks it would do 375,000 or more buys if it was on a WWE pay-per-view you know as a main event um where does that rank it with dream matches do you think I mean it looks like we’re going to get Undertaker Goldberg where do you think Austin Goldberg ber is alltime dream match I think it’s right up at the top I think you have especially from The Attitude Era and the Monday night Wars era that was the dream match there were really two it was Austin Goldberg I may I’ll give it three Austin Goldberg um Austin Hulk and Undertaker sting all right let’s keep it moving here um Brock Lesnar is going to make the news because on April 17th he is involved in a motorcycle accident his bike collided with a minivan those damn minivans God I hope that minivan was okay yeah uh he’s taken to a hospital has a glass removed from his forehead he going to need a few stitches but he’s telling everybody he’s fine and he’s going to work out for NFL Scouts on May 18th in Phoenix and the latest word from the NFL insiders according to way kellerer is that no one was taking his bid to play in the league seriously last month but now that they’ve seen him work out and gotten some numbers more than one team is at least intrigued um when you’re hearing that hey wait a minute maybe he’s getting a little attention and Sports Illustrated is even going to you know write a feature story on him do you think this is this has more legs or was this always sort of viewed as ah this ain’t going to happen but let him go try well we wanted him to get it out of his system that was one thing uh I don’t think that anybody thought a guy who had never played football was going to be able to walk on and play professional football then you see this son of a [ __ ] working out the way that he does and with very few exceptions I’ve never seen an athlete like Brock Lesnar who’s been able to adapt to the different sports that he’s chosen to excel at and I think if Brock had another year and had actually you know played a little more football he could still be playing ball for all we know the the the guy is just this really freaky freaky genetic freak um a freaky genetic freak A freaky genetic freak yes and I think if he had had more time who knows because he shocked a lot he shocked us and we knew and he certainly shocked the football World enough to get him on a on a team uh didn’t last long but he made it which is that’s one of those one in a millions that you would never dream would happen so let’s talk a little bit about um Lance Storm because it’s reported here at the beginning of May uh quote after months if not years of frustration with his role in WWE Lance Storm announced on Monday on his website that he is retiring as an active wrestler uh he said he’s going to be moving into a role as a trainer with the developmental territory Ohio Valley and he hopes to eventually move to a position as a road agent with the WWE and so his his final match is going to air on Sunday night Heat against Stevie Richards and he’s going to site his frustration with his quote lack of contributions which I guess means lack of push uh but also his back problems have been greater lately than he had been letting on he’s got some bulging discs and it’s caused him to miss some House shows but this is a guy who’ been around forever you know the Smoky Mountain and ECW and WCW and now of course here in WWE but he retired relatively young um were you shocked to hear that Lance Storm was going to hang him up in 04 no no n uh no he had some uh nagging back injuries and there wasn’t I think that Lance was a great guy to have on the card because whoever you put him in the ring with he is going to have a good match there just wasn’t a whole lot of Personality there and Lance was Bland on the microphone the audience didn’t really connect with him however when the bell rang it was hard to find a better performer plus he had a skill that not everybody can do and that’s teaching and with Lance he was able to Parlay what he could do in the ring and teach people how to do it now some of the greatest workers in the world can go out and do it they just can’t tell you how they do it or how to do it Lance has that skill and tried to hone that to make him a trainer but it was no big surprise at all I guess we should mention Lance retires when he’s just 35 years old uh which is obviously you know before a lot of prime years in professional wrestling you know all this time later of course he has gone on to become one of the more prolific trainers and and you said teachers what do you think his legacy in the business is going to be you know hopefully uh I think it’ll it will probably be his contributions to the folks that he’s trained over the years and and brought into the business and you know Lance in Smoky Mountain wrestling that was his first big National exposure but Jericho being in that tag team I think Jericho is the one who took the spotlight there because Chris had the personality Chris had you know that that package um and then Lance was the Workhorse Chris was the Ricky Morton and Lance was the Robert Gibson so as years go by I would hope that Lance’s Legacy in the business would be one of his contribution to the business afterward uh with his training there’s a lot written about um Johnny Ace and there is in the newsletters here the rise to power of John lauritas 38 has been notable considering as an active wrestler most of his experience was in a different culture with a totally different product as new WWE vice president of talent relations it solidifies him as one of the most important and most powerful players in the industry and they do a little bit of a a write up about what his background was and when he broke in and how he bounced around but he also they also talk about when he joined WCW uh it was happening at at sort of a weak point for WCW Eric Bishoff is the person who hired him to uh be an advisor and help the wrestlers lay out the matches as you know WCW is essentially dying and it would be written he got a lot of Praise at first from the wrestlers but those in the company who had hop coming from a logical background since if nothing else all Japan had logical booking particularly compared to the WCW nonsense that was killing the product were ultimately disappointed he was viewed as more of a politician never spoke up and even when the stupidest ideas were presented he managed to get along great with everyone and keep his job am the chaos when most of the WCW front office wasn’t hired after the WWF bought the REM remnants of the the company laurenitis was not only hired but quickly became second in command and Heir Apparent to Jim Ross in the talent relations department so we’ll talk a little bit more about his role but were you shocked when he became the new head of talent relations or did he take to it like a fish to water and how did he respond to the criticisms that he had positioned himself more as a politician well okay I’m we have a lot of fun here talking about John Lit and and I’ve always said this about John and and we joke about it privately even to this day that until you’ve been in the talent relations role you have no idea and talent relations is probably the most thankless role in the company you get all the heat you get none of the credit and John went in knowing that and did a hell of a job trying to follow up Jim Ross who also did an excellent job in the talent relations department but Jim was Jim was on his way out Jim wanted to move back to Oklahoma and Jim wanted to do broadcasting not do as much uh work in the office so John was younger hungrier and wanted it I mean he really wanted to have that position he wanted that job and he did did a good job it’s not easy and what people on the outside that have never been there what they call politicking is called doing his job and you’re the bad guy you’re the hatchet man you deliver the shitty news you’re the one that has to tell you know give everybody the information they don’t want and it’s uh it’s thankless it’s all 247 and John did a good job at that he really and truly did I like I said I love to bust his balls and we all point to you know the fuckups like hiring the wrong one-legged man oh he don’t have one leg um things like that but at the same time you know we’ve all had our fuckups and his is just funnier to to do because he talks like this and loves Vince’s arms God damn they’re huge it was for us man that’s we were we were grooming him for that from day one when he came into the company because he had that kind of an aptitude he he fit well in the office and he fit well in the locker room talk to me a little bit about the difference in style between a Jr and a John laurenitis specifically what they’re they’re looking for in Talent you know I don’t think it’s a big secret that Jr is going to look for legitimate strong athletic backgrounds you know whether it’s college football or high level amateur wrestlers with the idea being if you’ve excelled in those Sports you have the mental toughness that is needed to survive in pro wrestling I think that’s how Jr would categorize it but Johnny Ace has a different approach and one of the criticisms would be that he doesn’t value you know those athletic backgrounds the same way and instead he’s going to put more of an emphasis on bringing up a certain type of look whether it’s with size or B IES um so we’re going to hire some some girls who look like they’re right out of Playboy um and try to see if we can make something out of them because they’re pretty people maybe more so than they had a strong background is that a fair criticism or or how would you categorize the two no because it comes down to what the creative team and what Vince McMahon is looking for at the time so you try to get into your developmental system as many as you can to have a variety whether it’s the athletic type whether it’s the beauty queen type whatever that may be you try to have a choice and you try to have some variety in the recruits that you’re recruiting it it’s not Jim Ross didn’t have it I didn’t have it Johnny didn’t have it we didn’t have free reign to just go out and hire whoever the hell we wanted so it was what are you looking for okay we’re going to go out and we’re going to find you several of those that type and several guys that may fit that put him in developmental and take it from there so as far as Johnny and what he brought in he was brought in what he was asked to bring in that wasn’t that wasn’t 100% his call and here’s what we need that didn’t take place that was a directive so so Vin used to really value college football backgrounds and then he stopped he still values it no he still values it and he valued it when Johnny was doing it too it probably got more pressed from a Jr if you will because godamn I I like I like my college athletes and and Jr had a higher value on that it’s not that Vince didn’t by any stretch of the imagination Vince wanted athletes Vince wanted athletes that could adapt and that could learn the business let’s talk a little bit about um tape liary Ries because this makes the Observer uh WWE is getting very aggressive and trying to purchase pretty much all the available semi Major League pro wrestling video footage on the market the idea is that Vince wants everything that is there the company at this point already owns the AWA Library the WCW Library theoretically owns the Crockett and old Georgia libraries through the WCW purchase as well as the ECW library and the Smoky Mountain Library I believe they have purchased the Stampede library or are on the verge of doing so and a lot of work is being done currently on this project and the company this past week hired Peter Clifford as the new vice president of affiliate sales Clifford’s main responsibility will be to sell the idea to cable and satellite services as Clifford has worked since 1996 in both affiliate sales and later managing director of affiliate ad sales for the Golf Channel where he managed a golf video on demand venture so it comes out here in ‘ 04 that hey Vince is trying to collect all the footage everywhere with the understanding that the original idea is going to be WWE on demand and WWE 247 and of course we know what that became the network when did you first know that Vince was going to start snatching all this stuff up because as he acquire some of these old libraries they are major expenditures in hindsight not nearly as major as they looked at the time did you know this was always the plan had he always laid it out like that the plan evolved the plan’s still evolving and when different areas became available and those properties became available here here’s the thing that a lot of people don’t understand the older wrestling promotions uh will say that it’s called Georgia championship wrestling and the AWA those would probably be exceptions to the rule the majority of those oldtime wrestling organizations they didn’t keep tapes they they shot their TV a lot of times in a television Studio then they would take one tape and they would bicycle that tape around the territory what I mean by that is they would take that one tape and they would take it to uh the next television station and and that would play this is the tape that’s going to play this week and then they take it to the next one this will play next week and so on and so forth then they would go back and they would pick those tapes up and tape over them and do the same thing bicycle those tapes all all across so if you’re in Tennessee you do TV on Saturday and what airs on TV and Saturday in Memphis is what’s going to direct you to Monday night show in the Midsouth Coliseum however that tape then gets bicycled to Nashville to Louisville to all the markets Chattanooga whatever it is all the markets that they run and the folks in those markets will see that tape the next Saturday the next week when their television runs and then you’ll get the same matches in your town one week later and that was cycling and bicycling the tape but all those tapes would be picked up and recorded over so when someone has rare footage of or a rare Master there were so few back in the day Mid South started uh keeping their tapes they were one of the more current promotions that actually kept some of their tapes we had always kept um not all of our masters which is just a shame when you sit back and think about it but we kept our shows and we would edit what we called best of Texas wrestling in Houston so that was a syndicated show that would go to Saudi Arabia and that would go to India and places like that um we had masters of those but not masters of the entire taping and things like that they just didn’t exist so for those who had those kind of libraries yeah Vince was interested in getting them and using them is part of what he was hoping one day would be the WWF Network it’s crazy to think about too because you know two and a half million bucks becomes the the price for all the Crockett and WCW and Georgia stuff and 3 million bucks is what he’s going to pay for the AWA Library around this time and there’s talk that Mike Graham here doesn’t want to sell the Florida footage and Kevin von Eric isn’t opposed to selling but uh he’s got no Financial motivation to do so to sell that world class collection I was I guess a little shocked that bill whts didn’t own the mids South footage his ex-wife did wow that was news to me yeah uh Anna had control over it she got it in the divorce and I don’t know that Bill had ever put any big value on it he probably did to her said okay hey well this is worth $10 million my God you know what you could get for this um the and the [ __ ] up thing here here was the [ __ ] up deal Paul Bosch had original mids South programming on the Houston wrestling television shows so when we started with Midsouth 198 three that was about the time that we started to keep copies of the shows of the Masters that we would do that would air locally in Houston and what that consisted of was an hour of mids the mids South show that would be the middle wrapped around by matches that were taped in the Coliseum because that was our deal and Houston had many years of mid South programming in the Houston office when Vince is looking for all this stuff and mids South was giving him a hard time just go buy Houston because Houston has it for these years it has it for the mey years that you want and it will decrease the price for whatever Midsouth is looking for Anna because she had ridiculous ly um High inflated value of what she thought that those tapes were worth and I said well just go go buy them from Houston they’ve got them and they don’t know so that’s that’s how all that went down it’s pretty amazing that you know Vince had the vision to go invest millions of dollars now you know company’s worth billions so it worked out man I 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they’re getting together to discuss the DVD project that uh we’re eventually going to get um this was a long time coming you know this DVD and his career winds up being released in ‘ 05 and a lot of people thought that this would never happen uh but a source was telling Wade killer here they’ll definitely do something but it won’t be russling uh with the idea being that you know if if Bret Hart’s going to be in an angle it’s going to result in him getting the better of Vince McMahon or Shawn Michaels to sort of Avenge the Montreal screw job incident and Brett’s currently you know negotiating with Lloyd’s of London to try to get a payout from WCW steal so there’s lots of reasons why people say ah this won’t happen of course we know they they are going to wind up working a match together and and they are going to find a workaround but just the idea that Vince and Brett getting together I mean it doesn’t feel like that was ever going to happen not to me were you shocked or at this point do you just assume vincer can repair any relationship well I believe he can I really do he’s got some incredible healing powers for one reason or another but Vince and Brett met initially in in boa ran um in December I think of the previous year it might have been it might it might have happened after this I don’t know I do know there was a meeting the first time meeting took place in Florida and I was actually I was in bokeh I did not go to the meeting and I wanted to just say just to say hello to Brett um but they they met and you know I was like why why wouldn’t we do business together and as as they went through everything they finally got to a point let’s start with this DVD project and then something else comes after that and obviously it was you know Stu and Brett and everybody going into the Hall of Fame eventually but fences were mended you know the guy shook hands and hugged and was time to move on so it was a good thing I can’t wait to talk about this April 27th Smackdown we see the debut of morai morai you’re saying that in a Vince Russo voice and Russo’s not here no that’s actually a Dan Madigan voice well chat me up about Dan Madigan and his morai this is Kevin Thorne who we know is going to eventually do a silly vampire gimmick too but a white Hood white pants white top he’s supposed to be the the uh polar opposite pardon the pun of the Undertaker is that the idea well that was a working idea of trying to create opponents for the Undertaker and we we always make fun of Dan Madigan because he was from Boston he actually was mayor Quimby and he would talk about morai and he did the vignettes with morai and so on and so forth but it was Kevin Thorne was a hell of a talent he was a hell of a worker had good size and he could move I think the gimmick just killed him because he tried to work the gimmick instead of being Kevin Thorne in the ring and just let the gimmick carry itself if that makes any sense at all he went in slow motion and was too worried about doing gimmicky things than having a good match and and making things logical yeah we were experimenting another one of those failed experiments let’s talk about a few more of those this is fun m word right as it turns out the Eugene character is going to be tray in a manner suggested here a few weeks ago this has nothing to do with what was written here as it was suggested by many people beforehand but the original gimmick of a modern-day Rainman crossed with Mighty eigor uh looks from TV to be a guy whose Rainman strengths Mak him pick up technical submission wrestling at an incredible speed the character looks to be that of a simple man who actually is a great wrestler and after a great television vignette where William regle was attempting to teach him and then stretch him he wound up stretching the teacher the evolution of the Eugene character talk to us a little bit about that well it was something uh for Nick denmore and Nick denmore came from the Ohio Valley uh wrestling he was a product of that environment and from that training system tremendous tremendous wrestler that Vince felt you know he came across very childlike in a lot of ways and created this idea and this gimmick for him and it was named after young man in Pittsburgh Eugene who had been around the wrestlers that all the guys loved and and his father was a shoem maker and um Eugene was a very special young man and it’s like you would walk in and have the absolute worst day in the world and Eugene would be backstage with his dad and he kind of he would go hello Bruce and you couldn’t help but smile and just just hugged this kid and all he wanted to do was was be around wrestling and he loved it and he was a savant he could tell you everything that was happening everywhere one of those you know April 14th 1964 and give you the match and give you the finish and the referee and how many people were there um but different and and wonderful but Eugene was just this this really this really warm kid that Vince loved so much and he says he goes he fell in love with Nick and thought Oh my God can I have an actual real we could make a real Eugene and that’s how Nick denmore became Eugene and and he wanted him to be this pretty much what you said this this powerful Savant that wants to wrestle but doesn’t know how to wrestle and then all of a sudden gets in the ring and holy [ __ ] he picks it up quick let’s talk about um Kenzo Suzuki do we have to yes because apparently you guys named him hero hito which uh I guess was a Japanese emperor and and the idea is he’s supposed to be like a Japanese patriot who is uh not a fan of American politics or culture and apparently after War got out in Japan after the first vignette aired the fear among those who heard about it was that it was going to get give the company a very negative image in the country it’s like you guys were trying to relive World War II because heroo was Japan’s emperor during the war and while Japan was a US Enemy at the time Hirohito is still beloved in Japanese society and now you guys are are sort of using a beloved Japanese cultural symbol as a hardcore American hating heel and according to to The Observer he was scheduled for a huge push at first apparently to be the top heel on Raw um aside from evolution of course and now we’ve got to do some adjustments talk to me a little bit about hero hito because it feels like we got vignettes and then they just stop and uh now we’re going to just roll them out as Kenzo check me up Kenzo Suzuki good God Kenzo Kenzo I brought Kenzo in um big guy huge upside and the heroo [ __ ] say I remember completely different than that it was I think heroo was viewed by some people almost hitleresque in Japan which we didn’t know we thought which you said that this is a [ __ ] hero there and uh no it wasn’t it was someone that was taken very negatively and when they made the the hitleresque reference that was enough for us like nope okay uh let’s let’s move on let’s come up with something else so Kenzo Suzuki was born I I believe that was close to his real name um he had his wife wanted to be in the business and she spoke English she spoke perfect English so the idea was to package them with her being the mouthpiece for Kenzo and slide him right into a program with you know the All-American John Cena who was you United States champion and he was kind of battling that front of folks that International stars that wanted to come in and overtake America if you will a little oldfashioned but sometimes oldfashioned works and he was not as good as the spot that he was placed in how long does it take before you guys realize that well we didn’t let him work for a long time so until I a few months actually because we protected him so well we we kept him we tried to keep him down on the farm as much as we could and just do angles and and try and do some short things with him where you couldn’t see through him at first but unfortunately he just didn’t he didn’t continue to grow he didn’t get any better Who’s down on him is I mean is it Vince that’s down on him is it agents is it everybody I would say it started with the agents because Vince was high on him and I was high on him so it was we we’re trying to make it work because we kind of we had to we we needed heels we needed new talent and this was that era of you know what we’re going to give guys a chance we’re going to give them little runs and see who see who can Sprint and who can’t I’m not say I want to be clear I’m not saying now but back in this day back in ‘ 04 how how often was it for the agents to sort of change Vince’s mind I mean if Vince comes out and he’s hot and heavy on something and hey this is what we’re going to do and then maybe a guy like Aron Anderson you know fills out a house show report however you guys do it uh or did it rather does that come in and it’s just uh hey he is not improving is that enough or uh for Vin to to change his mind or are there meanings about it or does Vince say hey let me see the tape or uh it’s a time it’s it’s a Time factor and a lot of times he’s going to listen to the feedback of the people that are out on the road sure with the Talon every night so if they telling me he’s not getting it he’s not getting it then we’re going to have a a pretty good conversation with him and let him know that he needs to get it or we’re going to have to make changes so it’s if he’s not getting it then help him get it because we weren’t in the position at that time to say okay he’s not getting it next there wasn’t any next in the wings right and instead of just say he ain’t getting it next work with him figure it out let what does he need if it’s less ring time then we’ll do less ring time if it’s if it’s more Ring Time less talk let’s do that I let’s figure this out versus just cut bait and send him back to wherever the hell he came from and that’s what we did we tried let’s keep let’s keep it moving here and talk about backlash uh backlash is um a bit of a disappointment it does 270,000 buys or a 050 Buy rate the main event as we’ve covered was benois Triple H and Shawn Michaels in a triple threat and of course the Big Show or the big match that I remember is Mick Foley and Randy Orton and everybody is is saying you know this is a you know WrestleMania level show as far as the work rate and and match of the Year level performance is but the the the buys are down and they’re way down um even from from the prior year you know so in 03 that backlash where it was Bill Goldberg and The Rock did 350,000 Buys so we’re down pretty significantly but if you go back even further to 02 you know there we saw Hulk Hogan and Triple H do 400,000 bots so year after year you’re seeing backlash in your pay-per-view numbers start to dip now it’s a trend you know when it happens as a one-off you can say ah it’s a one-off it’s an anomaly you know won’t be like that next year but when 03 is down from 02 and now 04 is down from 03 are you guys starting to feel like oh [ __ ] man we got to pull the nose up well you definitely always have to pull the nose up when business is down this but again we we knew this was a conscious effort we knew that we were going to take a dip in business we we absolutely knew it and we planned for it and looked at it as we have to make this investment in talent and in stories now or we’re never going to get out of it because a lot of the Old Guard was gone and you had to do something not all of it’s going to be right not all of it’s going to click and you’ve got all these eyeballs on you you you’ve got to do something and you have to continually uh develop and redevelop and create new all the time and that was that was the challenge at that point where it’s uh you would get demoralized in a lot of ways when you look at the numbers and you look at business go [ __ ] and Vince looked at goes guys there’s only one way to go you know and that’s up but we have to build this Foundation we have to get back back to what it is that we do get some of these Talent over and then we can start growing again so we knew it we knew it going in that’s one thing you know people poo poo but it’s it’s I will never forget those discussions because it was frustrating I I don’t want to take a step back sometimes you got to take two steps back to take one forward and when you have a firm foundation then you can grow a lot better and it takes time to do that let’s talk about Kurt Angle uh Kurt Angle is a guy who has had tremendous success he’s been with the company at this point I don’t know I guess five or six years uh he’s only 35 but it looks like you know he may be starting to wind it down here because he’s got uh obviously a neck issue that’s been um you know predating even the Olympics in 96 and so a year prior to this he has a experimental I guess it were at the time neck surgery with young blood out of San Antonio um and this is the guy I think most wrestling fans have heard you know he sort of became the WWE goto so for Steve Austin or Edge or Rhino or benois or Lita or Bob Holly if you have a neck issue you went to see young blood and angle signed a 5-year deal in a two and he says that he’s happy with the deal and he’s going to finish the deal but it looks like he’s starting to wind it down because he’s just you know not not feeling the way he used to and he’s on the heels of of a big time match at WrestleMania 20 with Eddie Guerrero but he had to be like positioned at this point to be one of your tippy top stars and when you hear man this next surgery that we thought was going to be the the magic pill the The Cure All is just not um how’s the office perceived that what’s the relationship like with them and Kurt I mean it doesn’t feel like this is an easy solution and of course we know that Kurt’s going to continue to wrestle but he’s going to do th do so through tremendous pain well Kurt won the Olympics with a break with a broken freaking neck so you you knew you had a world class athlete there however a world class athletes break down if they don’t take care of themselves and Kurt was breaking down that’s just what was happening he was breaking down before our eyes so we had to give him some kind of rest and let him have the time to actually heal and get better if you were to ask Kurt you know Kurt would tell you every night no I’m good I can go and then the doctor would shake his head no he’s not he can’t and you’ve got to listen to the medical professionals at that point and say no Kurt protect him from himself so that’s what was happening with Kurt man he just had a lot of nagging injuries and things going on with his body that the thought of him being able to go out every night and have matches the way that he used to have them that was not that wasn’t going to be the new reality just wasn’t going to happen how does that I mean does that affect any any plans with Vince how does he react to this news that oh no not another one I mean it I know I hate to talk about it like this but Austin’s out Goldberg’s out rock is out you’ve been priming this guy now [ __ ] CT Engle might be out too yeah it hurts I mean it just hurts so you got to figure out something else for him to do which is where we came up with the the general manager role to keep him on TV and keep his personality out there so that when he is ready to go just easy to slide him in right uh we didn’t want to just give up on the character and say okay well he’s done and move on so we just tried to find ways to keep him in front of the audience let’s keep it moving here and let’s talk about um the decision to keep him in front of the audience but he’s not going to be able to wrestle so we’re going to do you know we’re going to make him the GM um the way you do that is on April 15th you have Big Show thrill angle off of some staging and Scaffolding which is said to be about 40 ft High and a couple of weeks later when he comes back he’s wheeled to the ring in a wheelchair and he’s explaining that the doctors have told him he could never wrestle again because of a severe injury and he blames the fans because they have this you know craving to see violence and he blames Tori for laughing at him and he brings a to the ring and asked her if it was funny that he can’t have sex with his wife anymore and so the you’re you’re trying what you can to still make him an on streen character and he’s obviously going to excel at that is this the most frustrating time of his career because I mean he’s got to feel like man this is I mean this is okay but this isn’t what I want to do I think Kurt was extremely frustrated Kurt wanted to be in the ring performing that’s what he loved to do but he also grew to love a lot of these backstage vignettes that we were doing and being able to find a different dimension to that character and for the first time in a long time give his body some rest so Kurt embraced it let’s uh talk about how uh neelon is going to change the way ratings are done around this time obviously you know ratings have been a big Topic in wrestling going back to the Monday Night War and something we’ve talked about extensively here but they’re going to be switching formats um from a a diary Market to what’s called local people meters which is fun to say real fast um the big markets are going to get it first of course New York and Los Angeles but this switch is significant now i’ we have sort of made fun of the old diary system on this show before explain to everybody the way a diary system works and how Antiquated that really is certain families are picked around the country and they’re giving a book to fill out in pen what they watch each week and how long they spend watching their TV what television shows that they enjoy and then they send it in to neelon and neelen comprises those numbers and that’s how ratings were we’re done and it is one of the stupidest systems I’ve I’ve ever heard of in my life Neil neelson is a joke I mean I look I just I think it’s a joke because they have the technology to know what every single person every time you turn on your te television if you’re watching Direct TV Comcast cable Hulu YouTube uh your Apple TV all of that the technology is here today to understand and know what every single person in America that has a television set purchased after 2010 uh what the hell they’re watching exactly to the minute but we use this system that is the Holy Grail of ratings because they were the only ones in the game they never had to explain themselves and when they explain themselves it’s like listening to Chinese geometry if you’re from Hungaria and it’s it’s just maddening and now they’re like okay we’re going to do this now and it was a new system that no one had any faith in because there’s it’s hard to have faith in a system when you’re changing from one system that means nothing to another system that means nothing but yet that’s what the advertisers and everybody were hanging their hats on I guess we should mention too you know as you were explaining the diary how easy that was to mess up you know so let’s say in my my local Huntsville Market CBS is on w&t Channel 19 so Channel 19 is the station it’s on and and what the station markets itself as but w h&t or their actual call letters but the programming they air is on CBS so if that’s a little confusing to you imagine just regular America who’s not sophisticated enough to listen to this podcast or understand the technical breakdowns we do on this show and now we’re going to give them a pamphlet with a dollar if you were a white dude and and say hey fill out these 17 pages of what you watch and when so in that scenario let’s say you were watching programming we were just talking about and let’s say you were going to watch I don’t know something on CBS there’s you know whatever the new show is on CBS and you write that show in there and you put CBS and you put Channel 19 but you put wff which is our local NBC affiliate then NBC got the credit not CBS so so that level of silliness existed with neelson so sometimes these ratings weren’t worth anything and so now they’re going to do what’s called a a people meter uh where we’re actually monitoring for real what they’re watching uh where people would put these meters on their TV so they don’t have to fill out of diary anymore but certain people would hook this apparatus up to their TV and Tada now we know for real now under this the reason we’re covering this is because uh on March 24th neelen is is testing out the new people meter market and it shows that Smackdown under this new system would have a 42% lower rating than under the the standards that were used before uh The Simpsons were down 29% primee time was down I mean lot lots of shows that had historically been perceived as being more watched and and capturing greater ad Revenue because of the perceived ratings are now changing and so like I know in the Nashville Market when they first got you know people meter markets for radio there were radio stations that weren’t in the top 20 but then once they started to have people will actually carry these monitors with them so whenever they heard music this would register what station it was it changed everything this people meter Market thing is not something a lot of people have talked about but within the television industry and and eventually radio it changed the way a lot of people reported their financials am I right yeah it did but it also was as inaccurate is the old way because again you’re still relying on a handful of people a very small handful of people correct and you’re not actually recording actual data you’re still taking what this handpicked hand selected so if you’ve got uh a million people in Houston Texas for example you’ll have maybe six neelen families so out of a million people those million people are recommend are represented by six families so what they watch now is going to determine how your rating is and everywhere it it just it it had no um no Rhyme or Reason even even to do I met with a company one time and met with Neilson where neelson themselves even admitted in our conversation that their ratings were bogus but they were the best that they could do and the company that I was representing at the time and meeting with was a company that was it was a call company that said okay can we just expand this let’s expand it if you’ve got six families in this area all right what demographics are being represented and is there a way that we can multiply that by let’s say 100 maybe a thousand and how they would do that would be by Manning systems and calling people and actually getting the real data from them and and be able to speak with them and compile that data this no that’s too much work this is a pretty good sampling we don’t really we don’t want to know that much WoW but we we’ve got a good sampling and my JW just hung down because I thought neelson is all about ratings they would want you know if you had the ability to truly tell me who’s watching what when and where and how now wouldn’t you want to do that and that ability exists and it has existed for a long time let’s talk about the ratings uh for Smackdown in the month of May uh May 6th gets 2.8 May 13th gets a 3.1 uh the smackdown after Judgment Day gets a 2.9 on May 27th it gets a 2.9 so ratings are not where you know the company would like you know they they don’t want twos they want threes or better and Wade Keller writes some insiders point to Bruce Pritchard as the primary reason for smackdown’s recent string of subpar shows they say Pritchard has manipulated his way into more power by bad mouthing co-writer Dave Lana behind his back Vince mcmah The Undertaker uh has of course helped pritchard’s cause as Pritchard has long been considered one of taker’s main inner office allies I don’t know I find this funny because when I read this now and I have to admit when I read this 15 years ago I would not have viewed this this way but when I read this now I’m like okay so Dave Lana called way Keller and told him this I mean I’m not bad mouthing Lana I’m just saying for for for for this to be an opinion oh he’s manipulated his way into more power by bad mouthing Dave Lagana behind his back to Vince McMahon who would have said that to W Keller if not Dave Lana right and that’s why Dave Lana was still working as writer on Smackdown because I badmouthed him so bad well Brick by Brick so chat me up um what how do you respond to the criticism here of you want me to respond to somebody who has never worked one day in the wrestling business in their life who sits behind a keyboard and just writes [ __ ] that people tell him I mean that that’s absolutely just ridiculous is it’s silly it makes me laugh when people say this stupid [ __ ] because they have zero idea and so little regard for the truth that it doesn’t deserve a response okay well let’s keep it moving here let’s talk about um Vince McMahon’s selling stock and the way he goes about doing it here according to the Observer is fascinating to me the company is doing a road show for investors where they will be revealing long-term company goals and following the road show Vince McMahon will sell 7.1 million of his personal shares of the company currently valued at an excess of 100 milli million that stock is not available yet and McMahon will probably wait until after the dividend comes out where he’ll be getting 3.2 million on July 8th before putting the stock up and after the sale of his stock his quarterly divid dividend would be 2.8 per quarter or 11.3 million annually plus he’ll uh he will have taken in around $100 million more in the sale so he’s socking huge money away this year and when the sales are completed ownership of WWE will drop from 80% to 67% and it should also quiet any rumors that the company is thinking of or wanting to go back private those very close to the top when these rumors have come out have denied them saying that Vince and Linda feel like being on the New York Stock Exchange gives their company a real world credibility as a major company that no other pro wrestling company has ever had not to mention it made Vince McMahon hovering on the level of being a billionaire from a company standpoint because they have so much cash and cash equivalence in the hundreds of millions of dollars both in the bank in low interest Investments there’s always the thought of going into another business at the same time the The Sting of such flops as the wbf and XFL haven’t gone away and the feeling is to stay within the wrestling world they know so much of an aggressive approach is purchasing all the old tapes and ideas of how to monetize that Library so I find this fascinating especially with you know the new news of uh Vince McMahon making huge personal investments into a new XFL but the idea that he’s going to do like a a dog and pony show for investors and then sell the stock after that’s genius you know your numbers may be down a little bit so let’s go out here show everybody the long-term plans get them excited about the future not down on the present but excited for the future and then let’s cash out baby 100 million bucks great strategy from Vince here they didn’t cash out he made more he made more stock available to the public for them to sell that was the purpose of the Road show so they’re like okay if this so great that we need more stock to sell and by Vince releasing the stock that he had yes he gets paid for that but it also releases more stock out into the public market so that people can purchase stock that’s business do it every day all right now I’m ready to get you fired up are you ready to get fired up sure they shot a major TV angle on a house show on May 2nd in El Paso during the angle for the Guerrero lafield Main Event uh where they had Eddie Guerrero’s mother suffer a heart attack due to an attack by Layfield after Guerero got the pin of the match he went around soaking up the cheers and he talked about how proud he was to return to El Paso was Champion cut a promo and brought his family into the ring and he first introduced his wife and two daughters and then he gave his wife flowers and he talked about being so close to Mother’s Day so he brought his mother into the ring and gave her flowers and then lafield came back out while this was going on and nailed Guerrera with a clothesline then he grabbed Eddie’s mother and what was described as a Vulcan pinch to the neck basically trying to give the illusion of hurting her without actually doing anything and the family was freaking out while Eddie couldn’t do anything to save his mother finally officials came from backstage to break it up and lafield posed with the belt and Guerrero’s mother went out on a stretcher and an oxygen mask while Guerrero recovered and did a great job apparently making all of this seem legit I think everyone realized how dead Guerrero JBL was as a pay-per-view Main Event so they are going to desperate storyline lengths to make it to give this a shot of adrenaline from what we understand they were thrilled with the guo’s daughters and how they pulled off their rolles and apparently Eddie’s mother’s blood pressure legitimately went up as she was in the ring because of all the excitement and pressure of the angle although nobody knew it until afterwards and she ended up fine you you’ve told this story before that’s not the way you tell it though well no because of course who who who who reported that was that was that f f FW what is it fwk or fdm it’s fdm okay figures well first of all JBL was never going to grab Eddie’s mom in any way of trying to make it like he hurt her all he did was was going to grab her and say hey look at your son but not in a mean physical way she was a 73y old woman um she was going to go down and what took place is she went down and the excitement of it got to her and there was fear of her having a heart attack and and actually as all this [ __ ] was going out she couldn’t get her breath she couldn’t get anything and the doctor’s like she’s having a [ __ ] heart attack while while we’re at the ring I’m like going hey good acting doc but he wasn’t acting she wasn’t acting and Eddie Guerrero sure as [ __ ] wasn’t acting um it was a serious moment that we didn’t know what the hell was going on we got her to the back and we got the ambulance and everything there to get her checked out um it was a scary situation it was a it was a real scary deal for just something to do on Mother’s Day in Eddie’s Hometown and uh it was a strong angle it was something that I thought about when I looked sat there and looked and hey hey Mother’s Day we’re in El Paso it’s Edie’s Hometown H could have some fun here and that’s what we did uh right or wrong uh it was what it was and unfortunately unfortunately uh Eddie’s mom you know got a little worked up and there was a health scare there legit but she was okay she ended up being okay at the end of the day and you know everybody got out we got great angle and got a real story and I got threatened by Eddie Guerrero several times and everybody lived on to have a happy life let’s talk about IGN film Force they’re going to report around this time that Triple H is at the top of the list to replace Arnold Schwarzenegger as the title character and the long end development King Conan crown of iron uh I don’t know this sort of took me back back I didn’t know that this was ever even discussed but L it was and the idea here is I guess um Triple H was previously rumored to be Conan’s a strange son but now maybe he was going to be Conan the Barbarian that didn’t wind up being the case uh when did you first hear that Triple H may have a shot at this and was this him trying to you know was this a WWE push to sort of recreate the success that the rocket had had I mean here in 04 The Rock wasn’t who he is now but he was still well on 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SummerSlam back in 2001 the main event there was Steve Austin versus Kurt Angle and The Rock versus Booker T uh so you’re at you know an all-time high there and you got to be you know we’ve talked about how oh the business is down here in 04 but when you come in and you’re setting records like this that’s pretty encouraging is it not was La always a strong market for you guys no not always La kind of like the business would be cyclical and during this time thank God it was a good market and it did well for us here the uh the dark match or it’s not a dark match it’s on heat Mark gindra and faki uh melt would say teddy long is totally wasted trying to make lemonade out of gindra he went on a rate a rant about how everyone in La is phony taking drugs and using the Hollywood Diet and then he’s making a motion like he’s throwing up in a toilet bowl and how everybody’s using plastic surgery to change their look but you know they’re trying to push ginger as this stud star doesn’t wind up working out in the end though why was jing jaak a Miss in WWE I don’t think that Mark ever really loved the business and or wanted to be in the business I think he landed in the business uh in the power plant WCW so gindra one of the those guys that came over when WCW was purchased had what appeared to be a good upside just never clicked and never you know never turned on in his brain to get to that next point in the business our first match on the show and and and you watched this for the first time in a long time is Rob Van I watched it on the on the anniversary I actually watched it on May 16th 2019 15 years to the day uh after it first happened cool Rob vanam and Rey Mysterio beat The Dudley 15 minutes 19 seconds three stars in The Observer I mean really a Hall of Fame crew here I enjoyed this match you know Rob vanam and Rey Mysterio is not a tag team I ever thought I wanted to see but I thought this was pretty good what did you think it was really good you know I even go back and you know talk about the open of the show which was [ __ ] fabulous but I got goosebumps you know how you get the Goosebumps that will stay with you for a while yep when there’s a shot of Eddie Guerrero in the middle of that where the commentator says is there life after death and I just got goosebumps and sat there that just held through the finish of the of the cold open and that was just again some of that [ __ ] man was so good that’s the work of of Chambers and those guys just put some great [ __ ] together and then you you start off with Ray and uh Rob vanam Against The Dudley all four had great chemistry The Dudley and Van Dam back from their ECW days they’d worked together so many times and it was a good solid great opener for the Pay-Per-View without question uh there is one funny little thing that happens in the middle of the match the sound guy just randomly plays Rob Van Dam’s music which I guess spoils the finish when you watch this back did you laugh out loud oh God yeah [ __ ] happens that’s so great uh next up we got Booker T doing a promo and there’s these strange voices coming out of the room and he’s got all these candles lit but um Kurt Angle and Luther Reigns come out angle is going to blame Tory Wilson for his career being over and um so he says you know he’s going to cost Wilson her career and he announces that if if Tori doesn’t win the next match she’s fired so it’s Tori Wilson and Don Marie they’re going to go 6 minutes and 14 seconds which Meltzer says was too long and uh they’re doing their best but you know they’re they’re probably I don’t know not pay-per-view worthy based on wrestling but that’s not why they’re here they’re here to have Tory Wilson rip Don Marie’s tights off and she’s got on a skimpy little flesh colored thong uh and she’s pinned pretty quickly after a backslide quarter star this is just to get uh some scantily clad women on the pay-per-view here is it not well I would never argue about ever having uh don Marie or Tory Wilson scandy clad anywhere but man going back you know even the Booker T interview was just classic stuff and make just made me reminisce of how much fun it always was to work with Booker because you could give Booker anything and he would make it better and that’s what Booker did with this whole program with the Undertaker with the voodoo [ __ ] it it was great and then of course Luther Reigns pushing the box to the ring and if you come out of a box [ __ ] you are over so Kurt Angle not just came out of box he rose out of a box which really made that son of a [ __ ] over thank you for that just saying uh what’s your favorite Dawn Marie match probably this one yeah this one you know just saying well I don’t know there’s any way to save this next match it’s morai and Scotty to hottie they’re going to go 3 minutes and 1 second and of course Mora’s debuting here gets a win by pinfall Meltzer would say he had a Undertaker SLC like ring entrance and a strong opening presentation quote once the bell rang the crowd was dead they’re trying to make him both slow moving but intense and it didn’t work and it didn’t get over his finisher is the Scott Hall Outsider Edge dud uh when you watch this presentation back of you know Mori making this big entrance into the ring and then the actual match itself when he’s trying to do a lot of character work saw it for the first time in a long time what do you think well let me say this about that first of all uh no Dave we weren’t trying to make him slow moving and intense uh we were trying to make him intense and that was mori’s Vision was that he would be slow moving which is what killed it it just didn’t work he needed to be he needed to go once the bell rang and um my notes which you’d love is um well best match he ever had speaking Mory and that pretty much sums it up right there because he had so much upside so much promise so much potential and this was his debut match and the best one he was ever going to have yeah poor Kevin uh next up Jacqueline is going to give Chavo Guerrero a present of bra and panties to wear of course he throws them down his father picks him up and looks interested in trying him on though Meltzer would say that’s the curse of being 55 years old and still getting a check from WWE as a performer because it means you’re going to wind up humiliated many times over your respon you know [ __ ] Da Meltzer and here’s another opportunity where you look at something and and I know everybody will sit here and go oh my God I gush over the Guerreros I do gush over the Guerreros because I think that they were just that damn good and chavel Guerrero senior stole the show in this regard because his subtle acting and everything that Meltzer is is accusing they of making him do those were Chavo senior’s ideas that took him over the top that gave him that extra dimension of Personality that was entertaining that people could identify with so um that’s the kind of [ __ ] just pisses me off and Chavo Guero made it I loved the scene backstage and chavos underplaying it and chavito catching him was just pure classic let’s talk about the next match Rico and Charlie hos are going to retain the tag titles over Bob Holly and Billy Gun in 10 minutes and 26 seconds melter would say they tried this match out the night before in San Bernardino and the crowd cheered Holly and gun so they had them come out and from the start they play that neither Holly nor gun wanted to be in with Rico and the announcers never acknowledged that Rico used to manage gun or that any of that ever happened I think they want to erase that part of their history Rico kept grabbing their asses and one person in the company told me they could nickname Holly and gun the hardcore asses the match was all homosexual comedy hos for whatever reason looked the worst he has since his ovw days and his punches never got never his strong point became the focal point of his offense and it was so bad that Jackie Gator at ringside was pounding on the mat to get a clapping deal going and the crowd just slept through it finish saw Holly have hos up the Alabama slam but Rico super kicked him and hos scored a roll up three4 Stars th this feels thrown together I didn’t enjoy the pairing of either one of these tag teams as a fan and it was just sort of there for me how about you it was a fun match but it wasn’t a good match just was kind of in that spot to be a haha filler uh not a lot of chemistry with those guys trying something with with Charlie hos and least you had Jack jaie out there to to kind of spice things up a little bit but not a whole lot there I mean the audience didn’t care the talent didn’t care and you could feel that so it was not something I’d want to see again next up we got Chavo Guerrero he’s going to pin Jacqueline to win the cruiserweight title you heard me right in 4 minutes and 47 seconds the gimmick here is that Chavo was wrestling the match with one hand behind his back and he actually does a few one armed back Breakers and Chavo classic eventually unti his son while the referee is dazed and the Finish sees classic distract the ref while Chavo uses a goria special bomb honor and uh he wins the title back so they got a dud rating in The Observer uh these uh Man versus woman intergender matches you’ve never really enjoyed what do you think of this one and and does this sort of devalue I mean it sort of presents the Cruiserweight belt as really being a a haha here does it not no not really because Jacqueline could probably beat 90% of the cruiserweights anyway still could today um I enjoyed it had a story to it and I enjoyed the hell out of it and as I am watching this thing and watching what Chavo Guerrero Jr is doing with one arm tied behind his back is masterful it’s it’s hard enough to work with having both your arms but Chavo only having one arm and keeping the other one behind his back was masterfully done and it had a great story to it and this match was a lot of fun I loved it I thought it was was a great story told well by everybody in the in the ring and as well Chavo Classic on the outside of the ring so everything got done and I don’t I do hate uh ingender matches and I like this one because there a [ __ ] grow in it that’s why you like this one he made it work and Jacqueline and she made it work next up we’ve got something that doesn’t feel like it ever happened but it did John Cena is going to wrestle Renee Dupri on pay-per-view here for the United States title Cena’s going to get the win and melzer would say it’s a better match than expected um series and near Falls clean pin Cena gets the win after the fu Cena gets three stars here in the Observer and I guess we should mention Cena is fresh off of a US title win at WrestleMania 20 from The Big Show uh so this is the beginning of the big singles push for John Cena and we haven’t talked a ton about Renee Dupri but it does feel like what we fans hear is there was a ton of heat and uh if you ask one of the boys I think most of them would say oh that was self-inflicted John Cena and Renee dpri though what do you think of the match and and what can you tell us about Renee Dupri that we haven’t talked about before well first of all as far as the match one thing that stuck out to me more than anything I mean was just Larger than Life was the reaction Cena got when he came out holy [ __ ] uh John Cena was at that point a mega star and that crowd hung on every word that he had um it was amazing it was just truly amazing Cena was on fire with his wraps and [ __ ] um couldn’t be touched on this night and as far as the match goes you know people forget how young Renee Dupri was at this point I think he was like maybe 20 years old at this point and he was able to hang he looked great and you know unfortunately for whatever reason I think that more than anything it was the immaturity of Renee dpri at the time a young kid being thrown into a man’s Business Without Really being properly prepared for what to expect it was a different business than his father Emil Dupri’s Maritime promotion so for Renee to come into this and and do what he did I thought he had a huge upside and and wish it would have worked out a lot better for uh Rene Dupri but in this showing I thought he had a tremendous showing all right next up on the show show we’ve got Undertaker in Booker T Undertaker’s going to get the win in 11 minutes and 25 seconds uh Meltzer would say Michael Cole had an annoying night although it probably wasn’t entirely his fault he cons consistently pushed the idea all night that this was The Undertaker’s first match on pay-per-view since WrestleMania the only thing is it’s the first match on pay-per-view for every single person on this show since WrestleMania also with giving the alleged figure out he noted that the Lakers played the night before and that everyone’s making a big deal about how it sold out but they didn’t have 18,720 people meler would say no actually they had 18,999 people and I’m damn sure a lot more were paid on this show than WWE and they can’t possibly present themselves at the same level as the Lakers in Los Angeles Booker came out with a big bag of magic dust from an unmanned gra or unnamed grave uh and after referee Nick Patrick got bumped Booker pulled out the dust and threw it in Undertaker’s eyes an Undertaker no sold it Meltzer would say well that was quite the waste of time wasn’t it Booker worked on Undertaker’s knee wrapping it around the post use the ax kick finisher Booker I mean Undertaker kicks out sits up gets the high kick choke slam Tombstone that’s the Finish star in three quarters I love these guys uh individually I I’ve had some of my favorite matches from both of these guys but this one for whatever reason the chemistry just wasn’t there for me but you love both of them what did you think I didn’t think the chemistry was there for this match either but [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] that’s right triple [ __ ] day melter um I just it was off you know what I mean it just didn’t it it didn’t click for this particular match and the guys have had matches before and after that were tremendous and watching this I kept thinking wow maybe one of them’s having a bad day both of them are having a bad day um just really did not Jive uh didn’t why do you think that is though I mean some days man you can have hey some days you and I have just shitty shows yeah just an off day yeah and I think that that’s what this was was here where it’s I that’s what I say probably both of them was just everything felt either one step behind or just one step too fast and didn’t really work out for me I I watched it and went not digging it because I thought the story leading up to it was very good well here’s our main event while we’re really here melter gives it three and 3/4 Stars I think it’s better than that I absolutely love this match they’re going to go 23 minutes and 22 seconds uh this is the biggest match of jbl’s career main Eventing a pay-per-view and wof and a big way uh JBL gets the win by DQ believe it or not so uh yeah lafield comes out to a surprising lack of a reaction at first this is directly from the Observer but then cut a promo where he guaranteed Victory and this set up the big face pop for Guerrero although it was noted by several that the actual ring entrance reaction was Stronger for Cena would you agree with that you watched it back you were there live Cena get a bigger pop than Eddie here in La no I think I would I’d say they were equal lame well I do I because I was waiting for that pop and listen to both of them because I was so shocked at the pop that John Cena got I’d say they were equal I would say it’s just as good for Eddie this guys pull out all the stops gr’s doing plaes they’re uh doing fallway Slams on the floor they’re doing backdrops on the Spanish announce table that doesn’t break and then Eddie tackles the referee Brian hebner and then Layfield grabs a chair and hits Guerrero with what was described as a sick chair shot to the head that’s an understatement you need to go watch it melzer would say Guerrero bladed and that’s hardly the word it was coming out of his forehead like a faucet reminiscent of Vince McMahon and the Zach Gowan match or maybe even worse after what happened to Kurt Angle you’d think they’d be leery of the kind of chair shot impact directly on the head I mean this is unbelievable the amount of blood and gore that we’re seeing here and they’re pulling out all the stops um there’s a DQ called event and this happens where Guerrero misses the Frog Splash but lafield brought in the belt while hner was distracted and then Guerrero gets it and he uses it in front of hebner so there’s the DQ and and the place is not happy there’s a a big groan and postmatch we’ve got a ton of belt Shots by Guerrero on Layfield and he’s going berserk and blood is everywhere um another chair shot a a frog flash it’s a big celebration for Eddie but woo what a battle I don’t know that words can we can’t really describe this one this is one you got to see am I right it is and it’s the match that was the coming out party for John lafield this was the match that solidified his heel run and his first singles push to where we went okay finally this big son of a [ __ ] is going to to do it so for so many reasons this this match was memorable it was a great match it made John Layfield and for the sheer brutality of it it was it was scary and I hated I’m one of those oldtimers I used to love the Blood and Guts and everything but then as you you get older you kind of become immune to it and watching this and seeing some of the kids faces at ringside watching Eddie bleed it was very uncomfortable to watch and it was too much way too much way way way way way too much um that that part of it was an accident and that is unfortunately some of the [ __ ] that that happens from time to time and I don’t know that it created any more drama or that it uh enhanced the match nearly as much as I think they thought it did it just kind of made it gory after a while and you just wanted it to end for Eddie’s sake way Keller would write once girl got backstage he went into shock and was taken to the hospital he got 16 stitches and two bags of IV fluids to rehydrate him and was released within a few hours the Deep gash was considered nothing more than human error it was not scripted for him to bleed that heavily and most within WWE believed that there was too much blood to the point that it took away from the drama since rather than getting into Guerrero’s comebacks viewers were either rightfully queasy and grossed out or simply concerned for Guerrero’s health so you’ve told the story about being backstage and I know you’ll tell it again here now about your conversation with Eddie and going to the hospital and all that stuff but when you’re watching this match are you at gorilla are you sitting with Vince what’s Vince’s reaction I remember vividly sitting at gorilla and there’s even a point in the match I think when Charles Robinson goes down that we had sent word with Charles tell him to get out of there um go home end it and they didn’t they kept going so I I was at Guerilla I was afraid for Eddie’s health and just wanted him wanted to get him back and get him taken care of so it was it was frustrating and I had tunnel vision I couldn’t tell you who was with me who was around me anything like that all I could tell you during the match was watching the match and cringing the the more [ __ ] he did so I kept waiting for him to just fall down and pass out right it’s uh it’s pretty crazy that you know this is I mean do you think Guerrero I mean I know we’re saying it’s human error but do you think he wanted a little more and I mean this is it’s a big test for him we’ve we’ve talked a lot about the pressures that were on him as champion and how seriously he took this do you think he wanted a little more but just didn’t realize how much more he was going to get here I don’t know you know his dad made his name Gory Guerrero for a reason uh all of his matches were bloody and gory but I don’t think that I I well I know for a fact that Ed did not plan on that much blood maybe once it came they thought oh hell this is great this is great this is going to add to the to the match drama of it all I just didn’t think it did in hindsight when you look at it you go man that it just left people worried instead of invested in wanting him to kick jbl’s ass you just wanted him to go get help type of a thing and it’s that’s a tough call especially when guys are out there in the middle of a great match like that and I do remember saying you know end it let’s go get him out of there go just go to the Finish because everything they did after that you don’t really remember until Eddie makes blows the big comeback after the match so they could have gone home right then and Eddie blown whatever come back he could have blown and gone home and just got out of there but that’s all hindsight that’s 2020 it just uh was a scary scary night and seeing him back on the trainer’s table and then putting the IVs in him to take him to the hospital and the reason and the only reason we were doing that was because he had lost a lot of blood and the gash needed to be stitched up didn’t it wasn’t a superglue gash it was one that needed stitches and he needed to get checked out by a doctor so if you take him in an ambulance they’ll take you in right away if you go walk in you’re going to sit there and wait for a while and that was the original mindset then when Eddie ripped all the IVs out and stormed out of the room it just then it became the battle looking at him and just saying Eddie you know two things are going to happen here you can either get cleaned up go to the hospital in the ambulance or we’ll sit here and watch and wait and you’ll pass out from loss of blood and fatigue and you’ll still go to the hospital which probably stay longer I’m sorry I know this is a silly question just bear with me for a minute do you think that Eddie felt like it was up to him to help get this match over because everybody heading into this I mean it was even written in the newsletters that the perception was that a JBL Eddie Guerrero Main Event wasn’t really the attraction that was resonating with fans and it was quote unquote dead do you feel like that Eddie may not have gone to this great extent had he had a match here with say an Undertaker a more established character but now he’s got you know this this big task this unenviable task ask of I’m supposed to be the top draw and I’ve got it going against me that I’ve never been positioned as the top guy I’ve only been champed for two months I’ve got it going against me that I’m uh smaller in stature or whatever and now I’m in here even though fans may be buy me as a top guy I I’m supposed to help get over a brand new guy not like cement my footing as a main eventor against the Undertaker more established brand but now I’ve got to get over this other guy that maybe fans aren’t totally sold on yet I need to do something special I need to do something extra and that’s maybe we went too far as a result maybe I know that that was Eddie’s charge and that was Eddie’s Challenge and Eddie really wanted to get John over knew that he could get him over so that was Eddie Guerrero’s charge was to make himself a new opponent a believable opponent that he could draw money with and they did did and that night is what did it that took us that took us that was a Prelude to the book and uh we got a lot of nice chapters out of it let’s talk about um you know JBL because he said if it had been anybody but Eddie Guerrero you would have never heard of JBL but because of Eddie I had that incredible run and it was just the right time I had the perfect foil and this incredible Ino star he was one of my best friends and JBL has also said that Eddie was a groomsman at his wedding I mean what did this match mean to the JBL character and just L Field’s career in general everything because as I said boy it’s that was a jumping off point and Eddie could have laid down Eddie could have not wanted to go out and have that kind of match but he did and he made John lafield believable opponent and somebody that was mean and nasty that you could hate a heel that you could actually hate with a baby face that you truly cared about and loved so it was so much of that is on Eddie Guerrero and the the other part of it is is Layfield stepped up Layfield stepped up to the plate swung for the fences and hit a home run with it well you watch judgment day4 for the the first time in a long time this week scale of 1 to 10 what do you give it eight and a half really yeah I thoroughly enjoyed it I didn’t think I would I you know Again full disclosure I say this a lot um a lot of times I sit down to watch and I think well I’m just going to fast forward through some of this [ __ ] I remember this um this was another one of those that I watched all the way through and stopped what I was doing because I’ll try to multitask and do a lot of different things but I stopped for the Cena dpri match and the last match it just had 100% of my attention uh two really great matches and a good story that ended up uh the night and again catapulted us into the summer it did and uh this was a fun time to go back revisit this one especially on the heels of our JBL show we hope you guys have dug what we did this week with judgment day sorry we’re we we’re a week late on this one life threw us a curve ball as it does from time to time but uh we’ll be back next week and we’re doing something totally different next week Bruce it’s going to be a Q&A episode and people have been asking for this one for a while we don’t do these maybe as often as we should but I’m looking forward to next week Bruce how about you should be fun Q me and a me oh wait a minute no you do the Q I do the a okay I feel like why don’t we flip that script yeah I I don’t I don’t want to do any a with you so okay but I am looking forward to uh something to wrestle this Sunday check it out you can watch live from anywhere you have a smart device or an internet connection starcast onf fight.com is the place and as always leave us uh some comments on Twitter we want to hear from you at Pritchard show is our show account he is at Bruce Pritchard I am at he he Conrad and we’ll see you next week right here on something to wrestle with Bruce Pritchard Shaka hey guys Eric bishof here now if you need cash without the controversy the team at save withc conrad.com can help but don’t take my word for it hi my name is Richard Smith I’m from Moss Point Mississippi one of my friends at work said I just been refinancing and my interest rate was 9% and he said he got his for 2.3 so I said well maybe I should try got to hold Diane she kept in touch the whole entire time we owned two houses and 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Sooooooo, still waiting on that big announcement from Bruce…
So no anouncement again? 😮
People still believe bruce's words? Lol. People know he's a pathological liar just like his boss.
Bruce is done w/this podcast 1000%
Here for the announcement 🥺😦🧐
This podcast is DONE. There’s your announcement.
This podcast has become such a disappointment
Bruce is probably fanning and applying constant sun block to Vince somewhere in the Caribbean.
Bruce is another Puff Daddy to Vince there’s your announcement.
Why can't it be the other way? With Vince gone it would not be a shock if new management wanted to get rid of all links to the old regimen and Bruce will know have time for the podcast and the book he keeps talking about writing. Just a thought.
Let's all remember, Bruce called it a long time ago with Johnny Ace and Vince "Ugh, Hey Boss. You look so vascular."
Justice for Ashley
Just end the podcast by now lol ….. dragging this out and Bruce is not even committed to it anymore. He hasn’t been interested in this podcast in YEARS.
Well, unsubscribing
They could not do ads at the very least with these repeats
Hey Bruce, WE Dont kick our brothers down in a time of need! This girl is trying to drain the Main man's bank account & while erasing his / yours legacy here remember that thing called WWF / WWE STARING WITH TERRY & SLIMJIM? OHHH YEAH BROTHER THESE ALLIGATIONS R ALL BS & THE STATUE OF LIMITATIONS WELL OVER PAST DUE & THE CLAWS IN THE TRACK? U LOOKED LIKE U SEEN A GHOST LAST TIME U PLANNED THAT ANNOUNCEMENT? VINCE GOT YOUR TOUNGE? BROTHER ❤ KISSING DAT TKO ASS? MR ROLEX? LMAO JK BUT STAND BY YOUR MAN 4EVER HES VINCE MCMAHON GD THE ROCK MADE IT COOL AGAIN TRIPPLE RUFFLE H BETTER START WORKING ON THAT UK ACCENT LMAO HES ABOUT GET 🔥ED IF HE DONT START ALLOWINH THE TALANT TO GET THEMSELVES OVER BRO FU$@ THESE SCRIPT WRITTERS CODY SOUNDS LIKE SIRI MAN NOT DUSTY BABY! WOOOOOOO! 14:35
Shout out to CT and Bruce for this Podcast life happens things come to an end I watch old and new clips on the channel non stop pro wrestling fan for 30yrs haters help with the algo though why am I even commenting.. ✌🏼