Frank Nobilo talks the keys to success at the Masters | Subpar

On this special Masters edition of GOLF’s Subpar, CBS analyst Frank Nobilo joins Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The PGA Tour winner talks finishing fourth at the Masters, a week in the life of a broadcaster in Augusta and who he sees walking away with the green jacket this year.
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all right 88th Masters is here SLE
surprise surprise Mr Scotty shler is the
overwhelming favorite at this year’s
Masters hard to believe do you think
that’s warranted given what seen is
there any issues in Scotty’s game
currently that you’re worried about
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get um before we we start talking about
Scotty Sheffer how he’s the overwhelming
favorite four and a half to one big
shout out to Oe batia friend of the
program who picked up his second PGA
Tour win last week at the Valero Texas
open in unbelievable fashion Denny
McCarthy what did he do just seven in a
row there to finish off the round on
Sunday to get in the playoff with OE
what do they call that black teld fer
that’s right very rare very rare 28 on
the back nine that thing went from if
you turn it off it’s with nine to go
like this a snoozer actually is going to
walk home with this turned into a
unbelievable finish Danny McCarthy shout
out to him seven in a row eight at last
nine 28
and even more so Props to O had to think
he was doing everything perfect to win
the golf shot 67 300 on the front no
Boog like dude just let me win this
thing going away then he wouldn’t go
away had to make the 13f footer on the
last hole just to get a piece of that
playoff I mean it was a gnarly finish
and then the playoff weird happened
in that too we got shoulders being blown
out we got McCarthy laying saw over a
wedge after shooting 28 like there was
it was a kind of a wild finish and now
Ox here this week yep t up at the
Masters making his first appearance
actually competed in the Drive Chip and
Putt I believe the first one they had
here at Augusta National now will be
teeing it up in the master he gained
five pounds since then I saw the picture
of him he had he had a 24 waist at the
time I think he’s now a 25 he looks
every bet of 10 12 pounds heavier but
how about what these two guys did shoot
20 under par they were nine shots ahead
of third who was Rory marroy yeah that
was one like didn’t even McCarthy who’s
now been close multiple times had the
one at mirfield last year like they were
so far away better than everybody else
in that field it’s it’s so cliche and
corny to say like oh it’s a shame
somebody has to lose this one here but
like that honestly sucks it’s like dude
you guys are so it reminded me of like
Phil and Henri yeah at the Open
Championship a number of years ago like
dude this is just call everyone else off
the golf course this thing’s over just
let these two go it was unbelievable go
they made that Golf Course look granted
the weather was good most of the time
especially the last day that course
ain’t that easy no that is a tough ass
golf especially when the wind blows but
I did not think 20 under at the start of
the week is what it would take to win in
San Antonio no it’s a it’s a difficult
golf course that they made look pretty
easy but congratulations to both guys on
a great week o will Tee It Up This Week
like I said Scotty Sheffer big favorite
but this thing is gonna be awesome man I
mean you got the live guys getting over
here 13 of them coming over for the
first major of the Year finally get to
see all the best players in the world
teen it up against each other yeah this
is what we’ve been waiting for you know
Asing had those comments we get into it
in our interview uh this week with Frank
doblo as well but like
we’re on the verge of we’re teetering on
the verge of if you’re not a DieHard
golf fan like it’s you tune in for the
majors and you don’t know what’s going
on in between that just like tennis
right and this is the first one and you
know last year we had a beautiful
scenario like John Ron Brooks Kea at the
time it was BJ Tour live you know Phil
Mickelson end up finishing runner up in
that thing it was a nice little mix of
like PJ tour and live guys where they
got 13 13 guys here I believe this week
and good handful of them are coming in
in good form I mean rah your defending
champ you and I both we just talked
about on radio like I’m shocked he
hadn’t won on live uh up to this point
but I’m very excited to see what he does
this week Sergio Garcia just lost in a
playoff over there on Li past Champion
so and walk Neiman’s been one of the
best guys in golf in the last handful of
months yeah it’s it’s a wide open I mean
you take Scotty away it is wide open I
think one guy we need to really keep an
eye on I just played with him the other
day before he left Augusta National your
man wam Clark who is looking really good
ab always Stripes it s the one thing I
took away and I know first- timers don’t
have the greatest track record here but
I think that could change with all these
young talented guys we have teamed up
between wendam ludvig and a few others
but wendham Clark how good he chips in
golf ball is just amazing and I think
with the weather forecast we’re going to
have where it looks like we could get a
firm fast Masters which and it’s going
to be warm which is very good for Tiger
Woods but I think that you’re going to
have to lean heavily on that short game
if the greens get firmed everyone’s
going to miss some greens and his his
chipping man it is special I mean it
doesn’t get a lot of love because I
think his distance off the tea is what
most people talk about and how hard he
can hit it when he drives it well like
these big golf courses are made Taylor
Made for him but that’s short game I
mean all you have to do is go back look
at La look at the final round he was
trying to win his first major
championship really never been in
contention or been a factor at any major
championship until that point and like
the handful of holes you can go back in
pinpoint where it’s like this one
matters this is a momentum swinger this
thing you seemed to get get it up and
down every single time including a
couple of the best ones you’ve ever seen
was the par three was that the 12th out
there the 11th the long one whatever the
long one was where he was long left and
hit that little Nipper off the hard pan
down there grain growing into him like
it it there’s really not a lot of
weakness in that game the only thing you
could say for for wendam his first timer
um but I I think we’re kind of getting
to the point I mean ludvig’s never even
played a major yeah much less and like
windham’s got to be one of the only guys
making his debut at the Masters as a
major Champion there can’t be too many
of those either yeah it’s it’s going to
be awesome and we are here at Augusta
National right now cannot wait to get
this thing going it’s I think it could
be one of the best Masters we’ve had in
a very long time in the weather forecast
like I said there’s a little chance
Thursday morning for some rain but other
than that temperatures it looks warm um
could get this thing B out talking to
everybody that’s been out there I mean
it’s always in fantastic shape but
everyone is saying this is the best
they’ve ever seen it yeah which is hard
to believe cuz I mean we’ve been lucky
enough the last few years like it’s
always perfect you know what I mean what
how does it get more perfector it’s
already perfect yeah exactly it’s
already most it’s already the most
perfect how can it be more perfect but
let’s talk about it because we really
haven’t which is shocking because
normally it dominates the headlines T up
showing up haven’t seen him play a lot
of holes you know we thought in theory
when we when when when he spoke later
last year is like potentially play once
a month you know this year hasn’t really
worked out that way up to this point
thoughts expectations on T heading into
Augusta you just you never know right I
mean the last time we saw him was at La
at the Genesis he withdrew um said it
wasn’t because of how he was feeling
physically not an injury-wise at least
it’s more of a stomach bug but yeah I
think he was here he was here last week
on a scouting trip came up here Sunday
um got some work in
yesterday listen it’s gonna be warm
which is huge for him can he win I mean
I think we said it all the time we’ve
learned to not never doubt Tiger Woods
it’s I think it’s a very tall task
brutal Golf Course to walk um basically
Nota beay recently came out and said
like Tiger has no mobility in his ankle
so that makes it tough but he’s Tiger
Woods so I expect him to make the cut
which I believe he will break a record I
think it’s like 26 straight If he if he
does make it I believe he will make the
cut Will he win no I’m looking maybe
around 20th I think 20th would be
spectacular I think that’d be a
spectacular showing for him a in the
fact that he hasn’t played much
competitive golf at all in a long time B
the way that Scotty some of these other
guys are playing coming in and and see
just the physical toll of this golf
course even more so than the other ones
right we saw him get around at the hero
that was great that’s when we got
ambitious we’re like oh maybe he can
play once a month maybe will actually
see that haven’t seen it since then I
just like I would love nothing more
nothing more every golf fan would love
nothing more for him to like matter
somehow on a Sunday it would be
spectacular but realistically deep down
in my in my brain do I think he can play
a role I don’t know I like you said I I
think it’s a very very long shot he is
Tiger Wood so he’s different you throw
everything out the the window but I
would be shocked just because this place
just I mean look at what we’ve seen in
the years past like he by the time he
finishes he looks like he could barely
get around he’s using the club as cane
and stuff it just feels like a tall task
but I would I really really hope and I I
I do think he’ll play to the weekend I
think he’s fresher Thursday Friday and I
think he’ll be around on the weekend
smaller field big cut um and I think
that’s a win honestly at this point it’s
gonna be awesome like I said cannot wait
for it to get going we are here all week
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right well our guest this week one of my
favorites my man over at cbbs sports
who’s been calling the Masters for a
number of years finished fourth back in
1996 here at the master Masters the one
the only Frank Nao he’s a good one he’s
such a be we need to get him too this is
a spectacular interview Masters preview
but we do need one day where we’re all
in the same place at the same time maybe
have a couple pops have a couple sweps
and talk it out you know he’s one of my
favorites let’s get to it here’s Frank
naalo on
subpar okay what a pleasure it is to
talk to the man we have with us here
today he is a very accomplished golfer
turned extremely well resect golf
broadcaster a lot of people out there
will say that he is the brains of the
operation over at CBS golf Frank Nao is
with us brains how are you bud this is
the a we’re doing this on April 1 right
so I actually thought this was an April
Fool’s joke so you’re saying this is
legit this is actually happening it’s
actually over now got you we had
we had 45 guests lined up and they all
canceled so we you were number 46 we got
you I still don’t believe you I I
actually think this is an ail fsj but
anyway please continue and I’ll see how
long it goes well it’s a pleasure to
have you you don’t do a lot of these
Frank you kind of you’re very elusive in
the podcast game it’s a it’s a privilege
to have you no well well thank you I
have a sign on my door outside which
says please don’t come in so I live in
her and I’m very proud of it I love that
that’s Beau Beauty art Frank I haven’t
seen you in like six seven weeks I’ve
actually kind of missed you do you are
you now is that an April Fool’s joke
yeah maybe we might not be able to get
through any like sincere questions
during this thing no I got to say I have
missed you because we haven’t even I I
think the last time we texted was about
a week and a half ago so it’s like being
I’m suffering from withdrawal I really
am well you’re about to get a lot of me
bud because I think we’re doing like 15
of the next 17 weeks or something like
that so uh let’s check back in a couple
months to see if you still feel that way
yeah good question did you send him the
the picture of the
doppelganger was that the last
correspond Drew you got to tell
everybody about that every time cult
gets out of line you know everyone’s got
to have like a little hook he can bring
him back in and of course he’s the
youngest of the team so every now and
he’ll go a little rad so I I can’t give
you my sources but I found the perfect
go ganger and you have to release the
picture and it’s it’s an an angel’s bat
boy and it is C he’s denied it but
somehow he is an angels Bad Boy and the
picture is living Pro huge Angels fan a
lot of people didn’t know that that’s
what Colt did before he got in the golf
broadcast dude he was the bat boy for
the Angels never talks about the Angels
keeps
tued picture I have it it will be
released at the right time God bless you
Frank that’s gonna bite me in the ass I
don’t like that picture at all but
anyways Frank you know seriously since
I’ve gotten into the broadcast world you
know you have been I hate to say nice
things about you but you have been such
a huge help to me I have so much fun
working with you but but for me S and I
talk about this all the time like we we
played professional golf all of us did
and you really never thought about
having a plan B right you thought you
just going to play golf forever right
off into the sunset at what point did
you ever think you would end up in the
TV
World um it was it’s a great question
because you you’re absolutely right I
think when you get into sport for a
living first and foremost you can’t have
a plan B otherwise you shouldn’t be and
wouldn’t be doing exactly what you’re
doing golf takes you know so much out of
your life you know you live and dream it
every time you three put you go to bed
and you throw up and and you know like
you get annoyed at yourself and you’re
going to do it again the next day and
every time you play well it’s great you
think it’s going to last forever and it
only lasts for a day and every time you
play Bad you think that’s going to last
forever so it’s this all encompassing
game
and then all of a sudden it’s like
stopped so for me I I I nearly spent a
year on the couch in uh 203 I was
driving my wife crazy and through I was
with IMG and and I just got a call did
you think about golf broadcasting and it
was a unequivocal no that was it but I
was lucky Golf Channel was just down the
road 20 minutes away from where I live
in Orlando and it was an opportunity I I
still felt I was young young enough I
still loved the game and the next seat
as you can testify to uh is is
broadcasting so once I got into it I
realized that it was still really what
I’d spent my whole life in and and you
just learn I think through osmosis I was
lucky to sit next to a lot of good
people from Peter Alis to Jim Kelly you
know whether it’s another guy that’s
helped you a lot col too Gary mcord you
know costus they were at CVS before the
jym daners of the world the Steve sanss
what whatever you just you keep working
with people and it’s you either get
better or you get out of the industry
what do you remember about what was your
first broadcast and what how would you
critique yourself Frank nablo today how
would you critique Frank nablo of that
time uh I was horrible I was was so
nothing’s changed no no exactly I was
lucky my first ever producer was Keith
hhin and that’s going to rub a few
people up up the wrong way cuz he works
on the live tour now but he was he’s a
great producer he really is and Kur
Baron for example also worked under him
and and he taught you some basic roles
you know I remember one of them just
straight out of the gate and I told C
that too if if you have something more
important than the shot being hit you
should get another
job and and and it’s it was delivered
actually stronger than that and and it’s
still a great thing because if I’m
watching golf I want to still want to
see and I want to hear the hear the ball
coming off the club face and I know it
drives viewers crazy cuz that’s how they
play too right you don’t talk when
you’re hitting you can talk in between
grab your cell phone and whatever but
when one of us is playing there just a
moment of silence and we break that a
lot I know rules are meant to be broken
but that’s that’s like the cardinal rule
in broadcasting and I broke it straight
away but Keith told me on day one and he
told me on day two and day three and
also the other thing that that I really
screwed up on is I always saw the golf
course presumably you guys the same from
the team to the green and so when I did
my preparation the right bunker was on
the right hand side and the left bunker
was on the left side and it didn’t even
twig on me and I have trouble with
directions is that TV flips it around
and you see it from the toil back so
when I look down the Fairway and I’m
like I I I almost felt dyslexic I’m like
the bunker is on the players’s right but
it’s on the viewer’s left what do I say
and I literally just froze I was in a
three-man booth with Jim Kelly and Mark
rolin
and it was horrible because I’m like
it’s on the left but it’s the players
right honestly didn’t know what to say
and so Jim Kelly who to this day is
still a good friend he goes we’re going
to go out for dinner and we got horribly
drunk and he kept asking me why I like
quit after about 45 minutes and and I
said I didn’t I didn’t so we hit some
more and then eventually I said well I
don’t get it and I explained to him the
problem that I was having with TV and
then he said it’ll be better tomorrow
and I’m like well it can’t be any worse
and the next day it was better and we
went out again and he goes it was better
do you know why and I couldn’t figure
out why and what he did and it was very
very clever he would put my name at the
start of the sentence and he would speak
for about seven or eight seconds so it
allowed me to just get my thoughts
around hey Frank we’re at 13 I know
you’re like this whole you know from the
players’s point of view you where is it
and I’d say oh bunker on the right left
and whatever and it just allowed me to
straighten up my thoughts and and to be
honest between Keith and Jim they got me
through my first year and I’m forever
thankful yeah you I mean you do a great
job but what at what point did you come
up with the rule that I’m only allowed
to make fun of you as long as it’s your
whole even though you break it all the
time I don’t break it all the time no C
has a habit of you we’re say for example
at CBS I have 610 13 and 16 so CT will
on 14 for example which is Ian Baker so
cult will say something at me and I feel
it’s rude to come back because it’s anho
I don’t want to jump in and he would the
first year he would deliberately do it
even though well I guess he didn’t know
he would keep doing it on somebody
else’s hole and they keep looking at me
I’m like no no just go ahead it’s your H
sort of thing and then in commercial we
go well you didn’t come back at me and I
said well you keep doing it on somebody
else’s Hall I don’t want to like come
back at you on somebody else’s Hall so
well it’s like a sucker punch you just
punch somebody and then run away they
don’t have a chance to punch back so he
tells me this rule so now I start to
follow it and then Harbortown last year
going to commercial it’s Frank and he
talks about my dingy yeah well I mean
yeah that’s that was honestly one of the
funniest things I’ve ever heard because
look at all those boats and Colts dingy
and they go to commercial I’m like what
the was that yeah but that’s going to
commercial that’s different that’s
painting a that’s a l that’s right yeah
I appreciated that and rules are meant
to be broken providing you know the
rules in the fair I didn’t even know
what a dingy was but when you said that
I was like I know which boat is a dingy
I know straight off I didn’t know
about a little bit bigger than a Cano
yeah just barely big enough for one
person to get in yeah oh it’s beautiful
yeah it was beautiful what did you you
starting the broadcast game you’re done
playing golf you get in the broadcast
then you move into the studio how do you
like the studio game compared to like
the live golf calling golf
shots I’ve always you know my career
stopped uh shorter than I thought Drew I
guess everybody says that so for me
there was a lot of Unfinished Business
and there there’s nothing wrong with the
studio but I I still like to watch the
best players in the world play golf and
you know we’ll walk along the range and
we’ll talk about someone’s you just the
way in which they swing or they strike
you know there’s always a player that
you stop and you go who was that you
just hear the sound of the ball so for
me that was always captivating that was
the best part about goal just seeing a
shot get hit and the sound of it being
absolutely flushed and there’s a few
that really stand out you know Henrik
Stenson in his day obviously Tiger Woods
Dustin Johnson um you know Rory Macker
those guys you just stopped Victor
holand last year you it was just such a
hard hit and that to me was what I
missed and just seeing you if you can’t
play alongside them just maybe watch
them so for me something deep down was
always if I’m going to do televised golf
I’d rather do live golf but I was lucky
when I when I first started at the Golf
Channel they started a show called live
fromom and I got to learn some of the
things that you do in studio gol that
are different to life gol and I was
lucky I had a little bit of both so you
didn’t get bored and it was Champions
Tour or regular tour or studio so I
think that was a way to try and
hopefully develop some skills the same
way you would learn to play golf you
learn to hit a you know hopefully hit it
a long way you learn to chip you learn a
park you to hit some bunker shots so
many different departments at the game
you got to show off that arm too
throwing those golf balls yeah you were
nice with those ball
tossing yeah well that not to sort of
bring that up again but initially I
would ship the shot or you know hit the
shot and then I’m like well hang on a
minute we’re talking about the best
players in the world they don’t have the
luxury of a redo and I remember one that
comes to mind it was 2011 PJ
championship at Atlanta Athletic Club
where um Ki and Bradley won Tiger Woods
misses the cut I think it’s the 11th
hole it’s Par Four he was in the left
side bunker and he thins it a bit and
goes in the lake so in those days I used
to do what was called Recreation so
you’d go out and you’d find like a key
shot that determined either somebody WI
the tourament or costing it so I’m in a
jacket and tie I’ve got a literally that
grabbed a sand iron from lob wedge
sandon I think but from the pro shop
still got the price tag on it it’s got
you know still got plastic on the grip
they got like three golf balls and they
put me in the left bunker and they’re
going to throw to me I’m taping it it’s
not live fortunately and you they put it
on the down slope it’s not very good and
IIT shot it for a couple of months and I
get in there you like I said jacket and
tie on and I give it wh and I hit it to
like 2 feet and I goou can’t use it you
can’t use it can’t do it and they go no
no it’s great I said ‘ no no you’re
going to embarrass Tiger Woods yeah you
can’t do it that way and so you know you
trying you’re trying to tell the viewer
exactly the shot he has and every now
and again you’ll pull it off I mean it
wasn’t his b shot so we managed to do
the shot and explain the lie and do it
and then after a while I’m thinking like
well if I can redo it and then just try
and hit a good shot then then what are
you really trying to achieve you’re just
trying to say hey look I can still hit a
shot or all so the message is wrong so
then I just started throwing balls and
and then that way that was my break or
delineation from the players actually
hitting the shots themselves I love it
you’re really good at it thank you I
thought that was the best way to do it
yeah it was great you were nice nice
with the with the ball tossing all right
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ready for the Masters you’ll be heading
to Augusta very shortly you had a very
nice finish there in ’96 a very
memorable Masters actually too the one
that Greg Norman famously had a disaster
out but you finished fourth back in
96 yeah there was only four people
playing that yeah makes
sense yeah actually I bogey the last
otherwise you always remember that D
Nicholson finished third but yeah that
was such a weird one because uh they
hadn’t they weren’t using the top 50 of
the world rankings you know I know
everybody’s talking about world rankings
and all that you don’t have to go back
that far when the majors weren’t doing
that so a lot of foreign players and I
don’t really sort of just got onto the
PJ tour we couldn’t get into the Masters
unless you had a really good finish in
uh in a major championship and and i’
played well in the US Open the year
before and got in and it goes on that
way but but but I do remember that
because two things actually Greg Norman
had helped me with golf shars and i’
changed to Rifle shafts in the early 90s
and then you fast forward in 1996 and
Greg had gone back to True Temper the
X100 I think it was and and remember
when he had chances to win a lot of
Mages he used to hit shot that was just
a spinner would go up in the air or like
when he pull it or block it at auguster
in 1986 spinal hole and he he had missed
a couple of cuts I don’t know it was
either two or three Cuts going into
auguston National trying to get used to
the new equipment and then the first day
he shoots 63 he was more than capable of
of shooting scores like that and then
the story came about he’s going to win
The Masters right because the lead kept
going after day two then after day three
he sleeps on a big lead and I remember
seeing him on the Range matter of fact
it was the first time I ever played with
David Deval and that’s when I knew Deval
was going to be great as well and
remember just seeing him just say good
luck that’s all you do you done what I
didn’t expect him to lose I didn’t know
what was going to happen that day and
everybody talks about the rars at
Augusta National but the quiet is worse
especially if you’re playing well
because it’s you know it’s a terrible
analogy but it’s like a funeral
possession you hear a groan and the
groans carry around just like the rules
and and it’s suffocating and you just
knew something bad was happening and you
look up at the leaderboard every now and
again and the number would change
downward and it was actually the first
stint I ever had on TV because I just
finished and uh I I missed Norman’s chip
on 15 the eagle chip that just misses
and I sat right next to Peter Alice and
Norman was on the 16th te and I remember
Peter Alice going what does he have to
do and I’m like it’s never over till
it’s over right just hit something in
the middle of the green you know I know
falo has the lead you know no one’s
perfect and then he hit probably the
worst shot I’ve ever seen of it in his
life right back right in the middle of
the pond but it was uh I it’s golf isn’t
it there it’s a disaster when somebody
loses from a big big league like that
somebody’s got to win but you know it’s
happened more than once it’ll happen
again it’s just it happened to him quite
a bit yeah he ain’t the only one
especially around that place they can
jump up and bite you I want to say kind
of on the Masters SL broadcast topic
here for just a minute because Paul
ainger recently made some comments about
the state of golf that I found
interesting he basically said that golf
is in danger of becoming like tennis
where people tune in for the major
championships and then have basically no
idea what’s going on in between those
events do you do you find that there’s
truth that with the state of golf right
now yeah I I do um I’m sad when I think
about it too I think we’re going to have
a great Masters first and foremost
because it is going to be like a Clash
of the Titans stating obvious we have
two rival tours the only time we’re
going to see the best players in the
world together are at the four mjor
championships our sport isn’t big enough
you know if you look at NFL you have
your your different conferences going on
but then they meet they meet at the
Super Bowl but it doesn’t because you
know that’s going to happen you still
watch the preseason games you watch the
season games you watch the playoff games
because we’ve got this massive Rift the
talk always becomes about money and I
think we’re in a society right now where
not everybody has a job people
struggling to pay their bills and they
don’t like it when people are talking
about we deserve more because they’re
say I need a job and and they love the
game too so it might have been fired or
and they just go oh he got even more
money oh he got even more money and I’m
like well I thought golf was this this
really pure game where anybody can play
you know boy girl doesn’t matter how old
you are young or old you can play we all
talk about what a great game it is but
then we just keept people talking about
money and the tour was about Legacy
supposedly and then all that’s happened
the last two years on the other on the
the PJ tour side is money tour Signature
Events we used to see these these
beautiful events like you know Steven
jger in the weekend I thought was a
great story Chris Kirk was a great story
U you know we’ve had a lot of great
stories
um we actually had very few top players
winning but but they start off on a
Thursday and then it just embs into this
beautiful I don’t know sort of picture
that comes Sunday and we Crown a
champion but now you know Monday Tuesday
Wednesday is all about well is
everything except actually the
tournament itself and I think it’s just
plain fatigue so yeah I would agree with
ainger in that yeah and I I think it’s
kind of pushed a lot of golf like the
average golf fan away I mean you see
like it’s it’s unfortunate like ratings
are down right now and and that could be
because we don’t have the Stars playing
as well as they want I mean Scotty’s
been doing everything he can but ratings
are down I think a lot of people are
really frustrated with it like listen
I’m tired of hearing all y’all talk
about money I just want to watch good
golf but right now it’s it’s divided and
I in your opinion what’s what’s the end
result with all
this that’s the crystal bow isn’t it
elport isn’t big enough it isn’t big
enough so there has to be some sort of
unity and and I would imagine it has to
be some sort of it has to be the the the
PJ tour taking a step backwards and
accepting a deal and I know that’s not
something that people would sit nicely
on people but this is this is like a
world takeover it it’s not a business
proposition you the PFF fund they the
you know it’s nearly a trillion dollars
now it’s involved in so many other
sports and we’ve all heard the
terminology that everybody’s used but in
the end you have this these people that
that really aren’t interested in profit
they’re interested in being involved in
the game so they’re not going to turn
away so you either get into bed with
them and try and resurrect what makes
golf great from a from a professional
point of view and just start a new
battle P so to speak with them involved
either that or we just stay Splinter and
I you know C you and I have talked about
it I don’t like non-cut events yeah I I
just you know I know people they want to
guarantee seeing the best players
playing the weekend but nobody wants to
see one of the best players in the world
really struggling in the weekend so on
Theory it’s great smaller fields and
we’ll get to see the best players in the
world but they tried that already with
World Golf Championship events it didn’t
work Dural for example what used to be
one of the biggest tournaments on the on
the on the East Coast Wing that was
actually when a lot of foreign players
would come across and the Wednesdays at
derell were incredible in those days it
was like a party it was this Clash of
South American culture and and all that
the food was great all the sport Stars
would come out Wednesday you would have
a crowd that any Sunday would be happy
with and then Thursday Friday Saturday
Sunday was phenomenal as well it was a
great Vibe and then they turned it into
a world golf championship event
Wednesday was dead and Thursday it
spilled over and that that wasn’t as
good Sunday wasn’t as good and I just
think the beauty of the game we keep
talking about it is that you know maybe
the fields are too big don’t get me
wrong maybe 156 or 144 is too many
but still the cut you got to grind the
work factor and then you earn your money
and I think judging by people over the
last 20 30 years they they enjoyed that
I know I did yeah both aspects yeah I’m
with you like I just feel like when
there’s these no cut events there’s no
buzz early in the week like you said
it’s like oh we’ll just see what happens
on Sunday I I am with you 100% on you
got to have a cut in my opinion like we
talked last year like you look at the
what’s now called The Signature Events
you look at all of them last year before
they made this they all had a cut they
were all normal size and they were
incredible they were some of the most
exciting tournaments we had all year
like I don’t understand why we don’t go
to 100 or 120 man field cut to 60 and I
think it would be just a total Game
Changer because I think the world loves
watching The Underdogs go against the
superstars I mean we always bring up
look at NC State right now in the final
four like people are rallying around
them they’re not supposed to be there
it’s awesome I mean we we always bring
up Phoenix um year before last when sa
theala got a sponsor exemption no one
knew who he was and there he is in the
last group battling Scotty sheffler and
Patrick Klay no one knew he was but the
whole place was rooting for him and now
he’s one of the most popular players on
the PJ
tour yeah you nailed it
the I think the other the other part of
it too is that Drew and I know you
mentioned basketball for example that
team sports right you can have a player
down but it it’s it’s really you know
how good are the other four on the on on
the basketball court right you know with
golf anybody in on one particular day
like the match play for example can
shoot 6867 and the star shoot 70 that’s
not bad but the star would go packing
right so so the Lesser known player
exceled that day and he gets to the top
of the list or he’s the the first story
that you read the next day those are the
stories that that were always embedded
in the event and two sometimes when you
saw a star on the cut line C remember
last year at Riviera you were following
Tiger Woods’s group and the big story
was Friday can Tiger Woods make the cup
well it turned into two stories because
he ground like hell and he made the cut
and then remember on Saturday he shot a
great score mhm and all of a sudden sort
of forced his way at least into the
conversation event so golf tournaments
are four days that’s what we’re trying
to sell so to me there should be a story
on Thursday that’s the Stars coming in
there should be a story on Friday night
and you need to have a cut on Friday
night so it has to the field size has to
be big enough so that we can at least
put a bow in it and then and then you’ve
got oh who made it who didn’t and then
that sets up Saturday which sets up
Sunday that’s what we’ve done
but now we either have these inflated
field sizes that that are way too big
you saw that in Phoenix where they
didn’t finish on Thursday they didn’t
finish on Friday and they didn’t finish
on Saturday so therefore you’re
struggling to play catchup either that
or you go to a crazy low number of of
Lake Bay Hill which is just not enough
players in my opinion yeah yeah and
that’s what’s so confusing is like when
Liv first announced you know became a
thing it was like all we’re going to
have small Fields no Cuts huge purses
and everyone that was at PJ tback was
like that’s this is what makes the PJ
tour great right everybody can win we
got Cuts you got to earn it all that
stuff and it’s like the reaction to that
as they’ become real competition has
been like okay we’re going to go to
limited Fields no Cuts huge purses it’s
like it’s almost like a mirror image of
what you said you didn’t like initially
yeah you I mean you’re de right that
that to me was the the most asinine
thing that I’ve ever ever seen is that
yeah this is terrible uh we’re all about
Legacy but we’re actually going to do
exactly the same exactly yeah yeah
contradictory in my opinion hopefully I
know we could talk about this for hours
but hopefully we get all past this we
see the best players playing against
each other more often but I’m very
excited for this week’s Masters like you
said first time we’re going to see them
all come together I think there’s going
to be a lot of buildup going into this
thing but you’re going to be on the call
for CBS there just tell listeners at
home like what what the week is like for
you at the Masters preparing for the
broadcast well it it’s weird from the
point of view that we haven’t been on
the air for more than six weeks but
unbiased we have a really good group of
people and that’s top to bottom and
that’s from Sha mcmanis this will be his
last M Masters all the way down to
someone carrying an umbrella uh top to
bottom everybody you know sort of puts
in their full full work that week we get
spoiled as announcers with staticians
and and all the help that that is needed
um we have a phenomenal director and
Steve Milton so we get the best pictures
in the business their audio is
phenomenal and we have a producer that’s
just an absolute golfaholic sell a shot
so we have all the tools to to have it
started and we get to broadcast a
tournament that the viewer at home is I
mean they just know if you say 12 they
know it’s a p three selfishly obviously
it’s one of the holes that I get to do
if you say 15 they they instantly think
of a power five so it’s a little bit
different for us when we’re announcing
because you don’t want to tell people
the information because they’ve watched
for so many years that they already know
so somehow you have to try and add a
little bit of new flavor into it but
also just maybe take a step back because
they know the golf course so well we
don’t have to just sort of beat them to
death with stats about the whole just
maybe add if it’s changed a bit
so the course itself is is near perfect
visually on on TV doesn’t matter if it
rains or it’s sunny it just looks so
great on TV and then you realize that
you’re part of something that’s special
it’s the only major stayed in the office
with the same Vue um and and you get to
as we would say Crown a champion and
everybody just gets up for it and it
starts a great run for us of basically
all the way through till the start of
the playoffs so you would think people
get stale but you know we have a we have
a great clan we get together if
somebody’s down we get picked up and
it’s the same in the broadcast it’s
going to be Bittersweet this year though
Vern lanquist will will say goodbye for
the last time I always call him Uncle
Festa and uh you know his his voice is
just just great and he’s you learn from
him too because he’s a minimalist his
best calls are often just three or four
words long yeah so you still learn every
time you go there but I don’t know it’s
it can’t Buck be anything than than
great and you know there’s players that
I miss seeing Brooks keco I remember
seeing him for the first time again last
year and he was leading after 54 holes
to Shambo you love him I hate him I
happen to like what he does for the game
because he makes you think he’s a little
bit of a villain but you even now like
the other day he’s trying uh A reduced
speed golf ball I think it’s good he
would do stuff like that he’d make you
ask questions so there’s some players
that I’m really looking forward to see
play next week you mentioned ver lqu I
saw he just did an interview of SiriusXM
he said he wants to do three things at
his last Masters he said spend time with
Jack Nicholas Tiger Woods and he said
he’s never met Scotty Sheffer that blew
me away wow huh I thought I thought Vern
yeah I I guess you you see Vern he
doesn’t uh he’s not as mobile as he used
to be so if he’s not in an area where
where the players around but he didn’t
want to pat on the back if you listen to
his sign off on basketball it was so
respectful to the sport and that’s what
I like about that generation of
announcers where you and you learn from
them it was all about the job like Vince
Scully right it was about calling
Dodgers baseball games it wasn’t about
Vince Scully and V’s pretty much the
same thing he’s he’s very thankful for
what he’s been involved in and as a
viewer I remember his voice from New
Zealand as a kid growing up so when you
got to sit next to him and you heard it
was like this ver list his voice just
great pipes unbelievable voice great
pipes you can recognize it anywhere
anytime you just hear like oh that’s
Vern and I know this being his last year
it’s going to be strange going forward
not hearing him on that but like
personally one of the things I’m looking
forward to most this year on the
broadcast is like the farewell I’m sure
there’ll be a farewell for Vern where
he’ll get to speak and I’m sure he’ll be
a minimalist like you said but like
I I love those sort of things like when
Nick went out right and he was done like
those sort of things I like hearing from
the guy that we’ve like like you said
become synonymous with that golf
tournament over so many years I think
Vern is
spectacular yeah it should be a proper
send off but you’re right you know feldo
was hard that was at Greensboro and they
never script it so we don’t know how
emotional ru’s going to be I didn’t
expect Nick to be as emotional as it was
I’m thankful that I was part of it um I
I thought as being a back as a back
bencher so to speak it was nice of
sellers to put all four of us up on the
desk and then it just it became this
beautiful moment and if you know Nick a
lot of people didn’t thought that it was
just about him and his golf and he would
always use this phrase the workers and
it just came out wrong but no one ever
realized what he was meaning to and if
you go back and watch it too and listen
to it and he almost points to the camera
and goes the word workers and basically
goes nothing gets done without them and
it was you know he’s an only child I
think once you get to know people like
that you see a different side to them
and I love working alongside of them you
Trevor’s doing a great job too but yeah
the sign offs are hard they’re hard when
you’re part of them because they they I
they they they bring up the emotional
part we often put aside and it just
brings back memories some funny moments
some sad moments and it’ll be the same
with ver because he’s
he’s just been part of so many great
Masters if you go back through the list
of Champions that he’s called you know
everybody remembers the Tiger Woods
chiping on 16 but you know Jack Nicholas
there’s like a Vern moment in so many
great Masters so yeah I hope he gets
another great cool as ship me too it’s
going to be awesome uh sad to see him go
but what a run it’s been for him all
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want to go to a couple of your holes at
Augusta National because I mean you’re
sitting right there you got 11 and 12
and the 12th I want to go back to 2016
you’re on the call Jordan spe got this
massive lead as he heads towards the
second nine give me a little what was
going through your mind when you see
Jordan spe just have a disaster there on
12 well Colt knows the true story here
because he knows I screwed up on that
really I I was doing two jobs I was
doing live from as well and I learned a
lesson there too I never thought that I
you I played the 12th in the tournament
situation I just never thought it would
be the pivotal hole and I was lucky I
was saved by Baker fch shanfeld really
there because I’m I got all my papers
there and and I’m ready to last group’s
coming through you know Jordan looks
like he’s going to win his second green
jacket and it rained overnight remember
MH so there’ been a lot of rain and and
the reason the reason why I say that you
you’ll get it in a few minutes but the
um you know like got my papers and like
I got Jordan I can basically do
everything by memory from now I got to
be ready because then I’m going to go
and I’m going to jump in a golf cart and
going to watch the rest of the broadcast
and get ready for live Ro and Jordan’s
on the tin he sort of flicks around and
you can see the pine trees just starting
to waft a little bit and the flag as we
always you know where it is it’s on that
right side and you could just just see
Jordan aiming in the middle but it was
one of those moments he’s got a lead
thought you know maybe if I just let it
ride the wind a little bit maybe I can
hit it close and he just comes out of it
hits it in raay creek and you have two
options well three options you can R if
you wanted to nobody really does that go
to the Drop Zone and the drop Zone’s
terrible because it’s wet so he proceeds
to go to the
right and I’m like I don’t think I’ve
ever ever seen anyone go that far right
and he thinking well to be honest I
hadn’t checked that area
and and and I’m like it could be swampy
around there could be really mushy like
why is he going there and so then we
literally just got into a three-way golf
discussion and the camera just stayed
with us and that part I thought was good
because it was feldo beer and myself
just talking golf in this situation
right there and then number one what
could be going through his mind but
number two how important this decision
is where he drops it let alone the next
shot that he hits and it just unfolded
and it was like the then it became like
the quickest seven I’ve ever seen and B
there was Danny Danny Willets Masters
after that Jordan still finished second
but it was weird you you never stop
learning when you’re broadcasting and
you you you you try and make as few
mistakes as you can but it was one of
those ones where you you think it’s just
going to cruise along and then before
you know it the unexpected happened but
U yeah it was bizarre it’s crazy some of
the disasters I believe didn’t tiger
make 10 there one
year uh um he might have actually yeah I
think he was it 10 I think he it was a
big I’m pretty sure he made 10 he boned
it from the back bunker into a couple of
things yeah the record though mentor of
M yeah I think it’s 13 yeah he made 13
there wow sorry Tom sorry Tom yeah it
could sneak up on you being that you
have so much time on that hole can you
go ahead and explain for all the players
that will be listening to this leading
up to Master’s week how to figure out
the wind on that hole tell us exactly
how to do it no you can’t when I played
Drew I heard different things Tom Watson
said look at the flag on 11 and then
you’d see the flag going this way on 11
and then the flag’s going this way on 12
so you go well you should use the flag
on on 11 because that’s the the breeze
comes over the hill but to give people
at home an example you know when I go
out and get ready I’ll walk down the
11th especially on a windy day because
one of two things is happening you
either hear the wind and can’t feel it
or you can feel it and can’t hear it
because it’s weird how it comes in over
there and that’s it’s like a little Eddy
effect and that’s what happened in 2019
I know it’s 5 years removed since Tiger
Woods’s last last Masters but you know
when they played early on the Sunday and
and because normally the the the weather
sort of settles a bit later in the
afternoon they’re now coming around this
period around 11:00 and that’s when it
starting to get a little warmer so the
breezes are getting a little more fickle
and I remember talking to to to felda we
had just a back and forth I said you’re
not going to believe it the breeze is
changing like literally within 5 or 10
minutes when those final two groups were
coming and then everything happened you
know kka hit it in the water impa hit it
in the water fale hit it in the water
Molinari hit it in the water and and the
rest was history but so yeah you can
overthink it to answer your question but
there’s just a few things that affect it
the the size of those pine trees behind
the green they’re so tall they’re like a
skyscraper effect and if the ball gets
above them or the height with them it it
just anything can happen the players
normally that hit it down a little bit
and just sort of you know 2/3 the height
of those trees seem to do a little
better and sadly you have to be
conservative free will never ever hurt
you on 12 no it’s it’s such a beautiful
I I’ve only played one round there but
just to speak on the win there we had
like a 15 mph win that day and same
thing I’ve always heard you know you
look at 11 well 11 was dead into the
wind we get to 12 and the caddy that was
with me he’s been there for a long time
he goes listen I know you probably think
it’s into the but let me tell you how
this is going to work it comes over
those trees it hits the trees on the
left and actually spins and it’s going
to play downwind and I go I just looked
at him like he had four heads like what
the hell are you talking about just tell
me how far to hit this thing it was wild
I I don’t think you can ever feel 100%
confident where the wind is on that te
no but I’m going to throw you not under
the bus here because be you had you had
a chance to stay in The Crows Nest as as
a reigning us am Champion I know we’ve
talked about that decision before are
you still okay with it now because I
think you’re the last last us Amer
Champion that turned professional before
the Masters this this isn’t about me
Frank this is about you I know for I
want to hear you talk it’s interesting
because you know I never stepped foot on
the grounds until I went there in 2021
for the broadcast it was the first time
I’d ever ever been there and I think
that was the first time when I it was
because yeah 2021 we had limited patrons
I believe right so I mean you for me
being the first time there I went out by
myself and walked all 18 holes 1 through
18 first time I’ve ever seen it and I
think that’s the first time it ever hit
me and I was like damn this sucks like I
I wish I would have teed it up now um
but at the time it was definitely the
right decision but now going there and
covering the event you realize how
special it I always knew the place was
special but once you go there and you
get to experience it and obviously I
mean we get to we have we have an
unbelievable access around there to once
you see it in person and be around it I
think it totally probably changed my
mind I think that’s good for future us
Amer champs yeah I mean it’s it’s tough
right I mean like look this I I wanted
to play professional golf the the timing
was right for me but yeah you obviously
think you’re going to Tee It Up in one
eventually as well my career didn’t go
the way I wanted but I’ll say like I I
walked at the front the first nine and
then when I walked over the hill on 11
and you know saw the green down looking
towards 12 it’s like the most beautiful
thing I’ve ever seen and that’s when it
all like was like damn this would have
been rather cool I still blame Z Zack
Johnson though I told him if tiger was
defending Champion I probably would have
stayed Amer yeah it wasn’t that sweet of
a par I was like I play golf kind of
like he does short straight whatever no
big deal I don’t want to see that but
yeah it’s it’s tough but it’s it’s cool
that I still get to go back every year
now and and be a part of the broadcast
because it is truly a special
place yeah you wol for many a year yeah
you would have dominated that place I
have walked up into The Crows Nest those
steps going up there are dangerous I I
might have ended my career earlier than
I already did if I had to walk up and
down those things every night
it was it’s it’s a truly special place
though you want to you want to give us a
uh since this is the Masters preview
Frank you’re the man do you want to give
us a prediction on a winner not named
Scotty
sheffler not named Scotty Sheffer bit
like a tiger wood isn’t it
exact
um I’m curious how Ram plays as a
defending Champion obviously we haven’t
seen him play there’s more question
marks this year because some of the some
of the players that uh would normally be
in the conversation haven’t seen enough
enough of their golf the Rory maoy
question comes up each and every year I
would be surprised to be honest I just
think there’s been a lot on his plate
and it just seems to be obviously he
finishes if he wins it’s the Grand Slam
but you know if he gets in contention I
mean it’s just a mindfield if he shoots
a half decent score the first day then
then I think it’s it’s the conversation
just goes day after day after day so um
spe hasn’t spe normally plays well there
but hasn’t played great Justin Thomas
hasn’t played great fena even if you see
how he played last week you it it’s sort
of like a masters of 10 or 15 years ago
where you you go in with too many
questions not enough guys playing well
and you would think oh okay it’s going
to be Scotty sheffler and whatever but
you know golf is this weird game we talk
about what makes it great you really you
really can find lightning in a bottle so
I don’t think it’s going to be like a
40-year-old Justin Rose type wouldn’t be
surprised to see that type of player in
the middle but um you know who was I
thinking about the other day the uh you
gwind Clark is a weird one because very
rarely do you get a player playing in
the Masters for the first time that
actually has a chance to win and he
would be the first since fuzzy Zeller
and syy and I know he heard us back the
other day but windom’s name just keeps
popping up I love the way he hits the
ball he can put it he’s a great chipper
he’s obviously long enough I know people
say he likes to fly left or right but
judging by my spies like everybody has
spies that have been at the golf course
the last couple of weeks it’s perfect
golf course is perfect it’s playing a
little sof at the moment they can
obviously firm it up length is a huge
Advantage Jack Nicholas used to cut
it very really tried to turn it over
there I think if wendam doesn’t try and
tweak the game I’d be very surprised if
he’s not in the hunt and tus too pops up
you know he’s yeah yeah so I guess if
it’s not Scotty Sheffer then hey don’t
bet don’t be your house on it but I
guess I’m looking at Windam clock and uh
and zelator I think outside of Scotty
like it’s his wide like take him off the
table he’s like tiger was back in the
day but like after that it’s like dude
pick your pick any there there’s a ton
of guys but it’s clearly Scotty and then
everyone else well Cameron Smith’s got a
great record around but once again I
haven’t seen cam play for a couple of
years well you know periodically last
year see you just don’t know what sort
of form they’re going to come up with
their every bit is good that’s for sure
you know and RAM as a defending Champion
you’d like to think he’s going to put
the homework in um you know
Kip he’s a bit to prove from last year
obviously the way in which he played the
PJ Championship was just brilliant um
yeah uh dambo doesn’t have a good record
there his best finish I think is still
2016 when he’s in am so some people it’s
a tough fit but uh you know that’s why I
think it’s a great master I don’t like
it when it’s it’s logical you have the
top five or 10 players in the world
playing well so it’s going to be one of
those I like the fact that it could be
like I said a first timer for the first
time since fuzzy Zeller and Winden Clark
I really like the fact that that is a
legitimate possibility this year yeah
even even ludvig as a rookie like as a
guy that I think deserves to be right
like there’s two you mentioned Windham
he’s a rook typically rookies don’t do
well but like ludvig is another name
never played never played a m this his
first major champion chionship much less
Masters and he’s a name that like is
going to get some attention and
rightfully so yeah I actually I taken
him for granted you’re absolutely right
it was his first Players Championship
too did it right there I mean he’s yeah
he’s he’s world class I mean I think the
biggest surprise really for me is uh
Victor hin because I thought Victor hin
was going to be one of the guys to beat
in the four majors this year and so far
he’s just struggling he’s just I know
he’s pounding balls on the ram he’s
putting the time in but he’s doing he’s
doing so much swing work and it’s a
shame because the way in which he played
towards the end of last year was just
brilliant I would say that that’s one of
the biggest surprises for me so far this
year is is how much he has struggled I
mean I remember I talked to him he
withdrew from Phoenix and I just said
hey are you all right like don’t hoping
there would an injury or anything he’s
like I just suck right now I got to go
home and practice so he’s uh he’s
searching but yeah that’s a big surprise
for me yeah part of that that ride it
upup I mean there was no obviously the
split between and and Joseph mayor was
was tough but he had one weakness in his
game that was a short game fixed that
it’s why he was world class now short
gamees average at best and and now
struggling T green as well so that’s not
a big he’ll get over it but I just
thought this year he would be primed I’m
with you and just a handful of months
ago you can make the argument like he
might be playing the best golf in the
world for a stretch and now it’s like
yeah he’s WD and working on a swing it’s
all right it’s a funny game Frank no
2024 Masters pick is wam clarkk is what
I took from that I like that yeah I
guess I you got to pick one yeah that’s
what I’m going there’s worse picks out
there like side question real quick
before we get to the E9 favorite take
August out of the mix because it’s the
best term in the world favorite stop we
have on CB on the CBS
schedule wow for which reason though you
know this going to take me like 10
minutes to answer because I never went
to the John Deere and then when I went
to the John Deere right col you know
Duck City dram like yes Colt has a table
at Duck City and um the hotel we stay in
is actually pretty neat but
um actually but my favorite St it’s
Rivier I guess because I got a we got a
bunch of friends in in LA and this we I
couldn’t live in LA but that week I just
love the golf course it’s the last one
on the west coast it’s the end of the
thing and that everybody talks about
Pebble and that but I don’t know yeah I
guess I go la when you’re a kid grown up
and you
you you never think you going to
California little in La so yeah la you
you handle the traffic really well
there you’re kind of an LA guy Frank I
don’t know when I see you I kind of
think La guy you know I love it so for
some people that don’t know this Frank
normally drives me to the course every
day and I’ve been begging CBS to put a
cameraman in with us to listen to us
yell at each other because he gets lost
everywhere he goes it’s unbelievable I
mean he probably got lost going to his
office to do this podcast today
actually yeah I nearly got lost no no
but well I don’t get lost all the time
but I I like to think of other things
the phone goes you know I get distracted
I just keep driving and he goes well you
missed the turn I said well that’s your
job you said you knew the way I I used
to help you and then in Chicago you
yelled at me and said stop talking and
I’m like fine I won’t talk and then he
just totally missed the exit and we’re
going about 2 miles he goes did I miss
the exit I’m like yeah about 10 minutes
ago bud dip
pretty much what I said Dre yeah I
was in I was I was in the overtaking
lane like I’m in the inside Lane I’m
hammering it down there and you know you
got to you got to go through three lanes
to get and it’s like 50 yards to go and
he goes That’s the exit and I’m like now
it’s my fault and uh anyway I’m claiming
I’m claiming the fifth on that get them
to throw a little GoPro on the on the
windshield we have a little 10 minute
segment just you know no but then he
starts mind you I must admit I like some
of his music choices but I mean playing
with a radio he’s putting spotifly on
we’re getting that he’s like changing it
around I’m like there’s a lot of
distractions in it and then asking like
50,000 questions on the way so I’m like
dude just yeah it’s like take your child
to workday dude God bless you Frank God
bless you Frank for putting up exactly
yeah drop off at school or something
like that yeah here don’t forget your
lunch all right let’s get to the E9 you
two tired of y’all um okay we asked we
mix this up sometime we’re gonna ask
this you could be anyone else for a day
Dead or Alive anybody in the history of
time who would it be does it have to be
a golfer no no it can be
anyone what sort of question is that
called we we do this at CBS I always get
them wrong anyway um there’s not a wrong
answer just an OP this is an opinion
question hey I’m trying to I’m still
trying to be me I’m trying to figure
myself out let let him be somebody else
okay who am I going to be
um s movie The day that’s pretty
good okay I’m going to give give me the
next question so I speed it up because I
actually I don’t want to be like Ben
Hogan or like that that’d be too odd but
I
want El paccino how’s that yeah that’s
not bad love that yeah we go there you
go yeah you can get paid to be angry on
TV what a a thought exactly it’s the
same you do now yeah pretty
much kidding Frank we love you all right
here’s one for you in your career in
television you’ve gotten to work with
two of the best ever to do it I think
objectively speaking Jim Nance and Mike
too do you have any memories where
either one of them ever just did some
like an on air blunder from either of
them no they’re both too BF I made the
on air blunders but no no I mean I try
and wind Jim up as you as C would know
in commercial we we do basic kid stuff
they’re like puns some some of them make
ridiculous and I I love the big kid in
gymnast and too was quietly funny too
had dinner with both of them and they’re
uh the they they don’t act on TV that’s
who they are you know if you if you walk
down the street That’s Mike Tero if you
walk down the street that’s Jim Nance
that’s what I love they they are who
they are and and the their announcing is
just flat out good and the natural yeah
I was hoping there’d be one I figured no
they’re not they’re perfect no no no I
think we struck out on that question
every time yeah that that just too good
yeah yeah okay next one what’s the
closest you ever come to missing a tea
time oh you talked to my wife on this
one that’s
embarrassing I said the so the majors
didn’t use the World Golf Championship
it’s 1995 my my first ever Masters I’m
30 34 years of age finally got in
through how i’ played at the US Open the
year before and I go up to the first T
and I think it’s Billy
Casper you know past champion and I see
him on the first te
unbeknown to me he’s not the group in
front I just think he is right so I’m
going to go I got time to go to the
bathroom so literally I’ve gone to the
bathroom because I’m a little nervous
I’ve waited 34 years to play the Masters
and my wife is literally telling the
security like you got to hurry them up
they’re calling them on the first te so
I don’t actually know if I airbed my
first Masters if they just pulled it
back a minute or two but it was pretty
damn close yeah so that would have been
a tough tough one that would have been
great I wait 34 years and you’re a no
starter I actually think to be honest I
think the they gave me the benefit of
that I actually think I was low as usual
good break for Frank good for them yeah
that’s understandable though nerves fire
up before that first tea time especially
at the Masters all right my next one got
to go back I think this like nine 10
years ago now but I need to know if you
and brandle ever got to the bottom of
the whole tigerwoods shaft lean debate
did we ever come to a resolution on that
no I was picking I was going body and
the argument was it’s it’s yeah he
doesn’t have enough sharp Ling I’m like
listen your body doesn’t work your body
doesn’t work no was the easy answer but
it went on for days and days and days
and days and it was out of left field
because we weren’t even you know in a
studio show you have a rough run down
and that was what’s called a hijack so
somebody has rehearsed a subject and
they’re ready to go on it and you’re not
and uh and yeah yeah I I pity the people
that watch that yeah no it was actually
great uh I know was a weird thing yeah
you would brandle clearly came with a
trillion notes on the whole subject but
uh just watching that I was like this is
the best television I’ve ever seen I
know it’s I’d always admired his work
ethic yeah he’s he he puts puts in an
enormous amount of time with that and
you’ve got to you know you’ve got to
come with something but you know Studio
shows can be weird on one hand you can
prep for the show but then if somebody
takes it off in a different tangent it
can it can be a little awkward at time
and then that’s the host job to try and
sort of rain it in it’s David Deval
struggle a little bit with that yeah CU
yeah yeah which is part of what makes it
cool like you know yeah you got your
script but sometimes it deviates and
then people get passionate and I was
like this is great television I know
it’s probably Awkward on on the set but
I was like this is sweet people will
like this or at least I did we didn’t we
didn’t have dinner
off I wanted to see what happened during
break is what I wanted to see all right
oh there’s been a now you’re
done all right next one what’s the worst
thing about playing golf with your good
friend Ernie El
I mean how long’s the
show well number one he’s big we we did
play he’s going to hate well there’s
which story is the test really I heard
he used to do something with his feet
while you were over the ball that
bothered you yeah sometimes if he had
white shoes you’d cross him over or
whatever that why were you why were you
looking at his feet when you were trying
to swing big ass feet no you’re not
people just every now and again will
cross their their feet that’s an old
that’s an old guy TR it’s a bit like
pulling your your glove as well pulling
the velcro on your love but I got him
back we’re playing you used to have this
event called The Dun Hill cup it’s now
the Dunhill challenge at St Andrews so I
was playing for New Zealand we’re
playing South Africa I think in the
semifinal and uh the all we’re we’re
coming up on 16 which is just short of
the old course
hotel and he beat me in the world match
play earli Anderson World match play at
uh col Wisconsin I hit it he birdied 7 I
hit it in the water on 18 so he beat me
one down so I remember remembering that
I had a bad t B them M so i’ got off to
a great start and I’m like a couple
ahead and you know I got about 10 12T
he’s got about 15 ft on 16 and my caddy
in those days was a guy called Pat
Jansen he used to make like these
Formula One noises and all that and you
know Ernie was he a hell of a player for
a start so he’s got about a 15t of pull
within one and I could all this dumpster
which is about 50 yards away but right
next to the hotel it it just sounded
like they just dumped like a th000 beer
in this
dumpster so you know every well most of
the greens share at at St Andrews so 16
shares with two someone playing two so
he’s just waiting a bit and I’m just
walking past him and I go are they
cleaning out your
room and he went ballistic I mean he
wasn’t happy at all was great but it
worked CU he missed it so it was great
and I W so playing mind games there’s
aund stories we used to hang together
there was derell once he bit me a couple
hundred doar that I wouldn’t was late
late at night they wouldn’t run around
the fountain and I did and then he
wouldn’t pay up so then he jumped in and
ran around as
well childish two
children cleaning out your room I like
that that’s good uh all right Frank I’ll
give you a sincere one here since here’s
a real one from your playing days either
professional or amator your favorite
memory in
golf well that’s changed over the years
Dre to be h you know I would you know
people say the last tournament you win I
mean I remember winning the tournament
Players Championship in Europe because
that gave me a 5year exemption it
enabled me to come over there but in the
end now doing what I do I realized that
golf has given me everything in my life
at the time I didn’t always look at it
that way so I go back and oddly enough
when I ask C the question about playing
in the Masters um the most impactful
thing for me happening golf was winning
the New Zealand am because it started
something if that didn’t happen nothing
else did so there’s a lot of things it’s
been a fun ride hope hope it continues a
little longer but yeah the New Zealand
Amer in the end because it uh it made me
it made me dream that’s awesome it’s
probably not quite the the dream that I
wanted but it’s still you know I’m
living in a great place in America I got
to travel most of the world um it’s a
fun ride so yeah been using on that I
like that that’s cool nice that’s
awesome all right last serious question
what’s the earliest you’ve ever shown up
for an F1
race oh
it’s no shame Frank I told you your
your your friends and family just don’t
care they just throw you right under the
bus
right I yeah I guess I got to tell it
you got to tell it it’s
beautiful well I was in the track when
an Stenner died too May 1st uh 1994 so I
I really love Formula 1 so I had a
friend in the motor racing business Nam
is Al Reese and I was P him like I want
to go to the British Grand Prix and I
was living in U place called bag shot
they used to call it Ramsey Street
because Ramsey Street was a Australian
austral Asian television show which was
sort of like I don’t know inappropriate
but you know and so all the austral
Asian players like lived in this little
area and um a friend of mine Mike howood
who was runner up to Banker shortly
enough in the 1991 Open Championship he
was also a petrol hit so I’ve been
telling OT I’m like OT hey I want I want
tickets you know he said I got I got you
really good tickets for the British
Grand Prix Gifts of marbor you know VIP
and marbor had McLaren and Ferrari they
were so they were the the two biggest
teams there so in those days Formula 1
races would be every two weeks apart
there was only once in the season that
were backto back and that’s when it had
the French Grand Prix and the British
Grand Prix and this is before the
internet right well pretty close yeah
anyway no cell phones and all that sort
of crap but you had TVs and You’ log on
a different station and they call it
teletex which is like news and you could
just sort of get basic news so it’s
Friday and I’m like I’m I’m bringing Al
ell bre I’m like ell where my tickets
you know ticket suit it’s Del light so
anyway The Courier comes like Friday
evening with the tickets so I hit the
teletex on Saturday and I looked look
who’s on poll and had a and Center I
don’t look at the race so in those days
I I had a Ferrari in in Europe so I call
Mike on a landline and like Mike he I
got the tickets I’ll pick you up
tomorrow like 9:30 we can skip all the
crap races in in the middle we’ll arrive
there about lunch this is VIP the whole
nine yards we get to watch the race this
will be phenomenal so where I live was a
good three-hour Drive really 2 and half
3our drive from Silverstone so we get in
the car and we’re buzzing up the
M1 and the traffic sort as we get Clos
it’s a bit light and I’m look looking at
my watch and I’m like well it’s maybe
because there’s no races in the middle
of the day so we get a little closer
same thing not a lot of traffic but all
the signages up all this you know guest
here VIP you name it so I go up to you
know this VIP thing and there’s this
huge Burly security guard and uh and I
go where do I park and he goes what do
you mean I said listen
pal guess P
guess of of mar so then he took great
Delight he looks at the car he looks at
both of us we got shades on we all think
we look like a million dollars right
jazz in all the right kit you know for
the early
90s and uh I got to skip a few words
anyway but he says well then you should
choose the right
weekend and I’m like what it was the
following week got there a week early I
get in the car and now I like super
embarrassed so I’m in the car now we got
a 2 and a half 3our drug I said Mike if
you tell one person I will kill you I
will kill you so the very next week
because it clashed with uh the Scottish
open I think it was so I’m on the Range
I I put one foot on the Range and half
of the range I just hear broom
broom and I didn’t want to speak to
anyone oh good and you wasted your best
outfit ear oh boy special Frank nablo
ladies and gentlemen it can happen
anyone I tell you what I took away from
that is that you owned a Ferrari oh in
Europe just when I thought you could be
any cooler big time you own a Ferrar you
owned a Ferrari in Europe long time ago
long that’s why you are who you are um
all right last one from me Frank this is
a Choose Your Own Adventure okay you go
back a 21-year-old Frank nablo I don’t
know how old you were when you got
married but you’re 21y old guy you’re on
the prow you can go back and either be a
major Champion or you can play for the
world champion New Zealand All Blacks
which you
choose oh that’s a tough one D do you
know how big the All Blacks are I so I’m
kind of hoping to get perspective on it
because I’ve seen like the the
documentary and the stuff and I know
they’re the deal and that you love
rugby oh yeah no no it’s not demig Gods
right the the All Blacks are the team
for the last 100 years you can ask
Trevor em because South Africa they beat
us in the last World Cup and that’s
always an ongoing thing between South
Africa but if you’re an all black
basically they give you the keys to the
castle so you got to be and if you want
to be like an icon in New Zealand it has
to be a rugby play I mean every one of
them finishes up marrying like Miss New
Zealand I’m not saying that’s great miss
they do they do all right you know so if
I was 21 um didn’t have a brain in my
head which is pretty much the way it was
when I was 21 then I would have said or
black yeah they walk in anywhere yeah
and they just I mean they’re like
straight to the front or BLS yeah kind
we had and we had some pretty big ones
can you please do the little dance and
chant they do before the Haka is it the
haka I was going to ask you to do that
but I figured I’d spare you I’ve never
watched rugby but I did watch the the
documentary on them the what’s it called
um It’s All Blacks isn’t it yeah but
like it’s on Amazon where but it’s
awesome really cool actually there’s the
movie Invictus Matt Damon played which
was about the World Cup final when it
was in South Africa oddly enough South
Africa beat uh beat New Zealand in the
final that’s South Africa twice see
they’re our Nemesis
B rugby you know that
yeah all right that’s kind of what the
answer I was hoping for I figured it’d
be like playing for the Yankees being in
New York City when they won the World
Series like that’s the level of actually
would be that’s a that’s a really good
analogy yeah if you’re a Yankee you’re
like
quor derer jet you’re black you’re uh
well you know Grant
Fox Grant Fox Ryan Fox Ryan Fox oh Ryan
Fox yeah gr Fox he’s got his dad is gr
Fox his dad was like um it’s weird when
when Grant was playing in uh the Open
Championship St Andrews his dad’s
walking around there and no one put two
two two together because Grant Fox at
that particular time was like Michael
Jordan in the rugby wow Fox was the guut
and he’s just walking around watching
his kid but anywhere else in a rugby
environment and that’s that’s that’s the
guy so I didn’t know that I didn’t know
his dad was that good thick dude he
looked like he could play a little rugby
if he wanted to yeah yeah yeah well you
know Ryan’s bigger than his dad his dad
was like he was a kicker but but a
kicker’s different than rugby as opposed
to uh NFL like he was he was a playmaker
and a kicker he he was he was a
phenomenal kicker so important
conversions penalties the game’s
different setup play you know you kick
the ball forward during the middle of
the play so you had you had to be like a
cerebral type player and all that he was
he was a hell of a
player yeah Franko All Blacks all right
last one let’s just say the TV thing
doesn’t work out you got to go look for
a new job would you at all be interested
in being the guy that paints the first
downline on the NFL field each time no
please explain to us after every play
how or after every first down the first
down line gets there yeah I know I know
you’re picking on me again I was in
a and you know I’m watching NFL for the
first time and and you know the
announcers would say he’s a yard short
and you see the yellow line on on the
screen I’m like I mean what doesn’t the
guy stretch so you know that
CGI and all that I don’t know I didn’t I
had watch the game it’s like you know I
was an idiot when the when the New York
Bulls were playing great I was a Rodman
fan so Chicago Bulls not New York
bulls and then wondering why people in
New York want to kill you because you I
didn’t I didn’t know about the Rivalry
and all that so same thing with the NFL
I’m watching the game and I’m sitting
there I’m like I mean I mean it just all
he has to do is stretch out and he gets
a first down I mean like surely and the
guy look looking at me like what that’s
not on the
I’m like what do you mean it’s not on
the field and I had no idea you I had
noidea you thought the play one of the
many things yeah so then I de Sayed well
do you know anything about rugby exactly
what I was going to say I we go watch a
rugby game we would know that’s
going on so easy mistake to make don’t
team up with Frank I think my wife still
thinks they do it that exact way like
yeah why don’t you just reach over the
yellow yeah it’s like stretch P down
yeah easy I love um last thing this is a
little bonus question since we are
getting ready for the Masters give me
favorite sandwich at Augusta National I
do not eat Pento cheese I find the most
Rogue sandwich I’ll stop somewhere else
and pick up a sandwich seriously I can’t
do a Pento cheese there other options
yeah well in the media compound we have
great food so you know whatever they
cooking fine but my wife is is half
Indian so we if I can get a curry
somewhere and there’s a few if you look
around there I I’ll get a curry during
go I know that’s dangerous when you’re
sitting in a
to and especially I sit next to MK but
it’s you know if it’s c yeah I’d go for
a carry yeah there you go I didn’t even
know that was an option and neither did
it’s not an option that’s what it means
you got you got to go get special all
right yeah I gota go do I gotta get a
special you got to do something special
well Frank you’re special and we love
you man for coming on dude I know you
don’t do a lot of these and we we
appreciate you look forward to seeing
you at Augusta now hey Drew thanks for
looking after my little budy he’s he’s
actually all right yeah yeah I’ll get
his booty wiped and I’ll get his lunch
packed and all that stuff I’ll get him
to you safe and found at Augusta and
that picture I’ve sent to you make sure
it goes viral oh the angel bat boy so
good that’s coming out at the right time
Frankie don’t you worry I can’t wait I
can’t wait to get lost with you over the
next few months but it’s gonna be great
looking forward to it mate all right
thanks buddy thank you Frank all right
that was the one the only Frank Nao
joining us on subpar S one of the best I
hate to give him compliments he’s really
good at his job he is makes it so much
fun for me out there when I’m on the
grounds we like to poke fun at each
other and I still
do think we need to get a camera in the
car with hi him and ey head to the golf
course and just hearing us go at it a no
segment on the way to the course just
get things sparked up for the day you
know what I mean I don’t know how
someone over the one of the big brains
over at CBS needs to figure that out and
how about he picked your man wam Clark
he’s high on wendam isn’t he that’s good
to hear I mean I don’t think he’ll be
the only guy like wam you and I have
been talking about like he’s kind of
going with the Brooks kepka Playbook
like oh is this a signature does this
one matter is this a major are we
playing for for tons of money in
this one oh okay I’ll play good in those
and then otherwise I I don’t really care
as much which is a great maybe the best
way to be in golf but I mean yeah he he
Fades the driver which people say you
can’t do around Augusta I think you can
and he can use that three-w if he needs
to needs to but it should be a good golf
course for him we’ll see for debut we’ll
see Frank’s normally not right though
that’s a good point kind of a problem
will can I please thank him for getting
me the picture you’re doppelganger I’m
saving it for the right time you did do
the shoe prank to me back in colonial a
number of years ago when I was catting
for Wind by the way now that rat got go
Skyward um but I’ll just save the
doppelganger for the right time it’s a
beautiful image though beautiful I’m not
even an angels fan like where did he is
that he had to be watching the game and
he showed that and he paused it the
picture actually looks like a paused
television screen so shout out to Frank
that’s hard work thanks for coming on
with us always fun to catch up with you
uh got a couple golf trips coming up and
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I’ll I’ll bring my clubs because I want
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come 88th Masters time to make some
picks and
I hate going chalk but it’s just but
you’re gonna go chalk I’m gonna go chalk
I mean just too juicy at 4 to one to lay
off of that I mean it’s I know it’s 4 to
one it sucks but he’s the best player in
the world by a long ways he just went
win-win second I mean how how do you not
coming off a non- win does that concern
you massive SL I mean dude he didn’t win
the last time he played golf yeah give
me Scotty sheer I’m sorry I I just I
don’t I don’t I think if he shows up
with any
bit of the form he’s had the last I mean
basically two years I think he’s just
GNA be too hard to beat if he putts good
it’s a wrap like I think unless
something just weird happens with his
ball striking that we haven’t seen in
two plus years but yeah the four to one
is tough but Scotty’s the guy it’s
Scotty and then everyone else then after
Scotty I feel like it’s pretty wide open
I think you see a number of guys being
picked outside of Scotty I’m gonna go
with one of those guys who’s like Scotty
kind of like been playing really well
for a long time just doesn’t seem to
pick up the wins uh that he should given
the quality of play that he’s had he’s
been close here in the past he has an
unbelievable really really good record
in the major championships and I gota
just feel like you hang around the hoop
that long eventually you’re G to score
I’m taking Xander shofet 14 to1 I I love
it I mean that’s honestly I I really
think he’s gonna I’ve said for years I
believe this golf course is perfect for
him I think he will win a green jacket
before his day is done um why not this
year it’s just he’s got to get over that
hump though this he if he’s in the mix
come Sunday I mean all those questions
are are you going to be able to get it
done because you have it lately yeah
it’s just just closing it out I mean he
but he’s just rarely plays bad and the
fact that he’s played so well here I
think I think it’s time I was this close
to going John I’m I’m high on John ROM
too this week I think to put the live
narrative bed you know guys go over
there they don’t care they cash out I
think JN wants to I mean you know he’s
as competitive a dude as there is in the
world I the only issue I’d have with him
this week is like does he want it too
much yeah because he wants to prove a
point so bad but I’m still high on John
ROM he hasn’t won on live but he’s been
high up in virtually every event I
expect him to play very well as long as
he gets through that big dinner on
Tuesday night that’s right all right
Darkhorse 55 to one also has had some
success around here great hands and I if
it stays firm and fast he also just
chips these out of the golf ball
give me my man Shane Lowry 55 to one he
and Green’s his favorite color that
would be popular would it not that would
be sweet the clar J he’ll never top his
Open championship over that I will never
be taught but this would be as far as
International win this one might be the
most embraced I love he’s such a good
dude I would love that tend to lean for
Americans in our major championships
over here but I’d be okay with him all
right my Dark Horse I’m coming in
multitime Maj major Champion but he’s
also a dark horse and uh I’m coming out
of left field with this a little bit but
why not Dustin Johnson at 40 to one
Dustin Johnson like has he been as good
as I thought he would be on lib no has
he won as many times as I thought he
would over there no but he’s still DJ
and like if he shows up and his juices
get going again and he’s fired up like
he’s won here granted it was a different
time of the year during Co but like I
just DJ at 40 to1 feels criminal and I
don’t know like his his previous play on
live I don’t put a whole lot of stock
into it similar to like Brooks I’ll be
honest I didn’t expect a Dustin Johnson
pick yeah but hey he’s mix it up a
little bit um 40 to1 pretty nice number
I I know going to be ready to go yeah
like you said he hadn’t probably played
as well as he wanted to on live but it’s
the Masters he’ll be ready yeah I don’t
think we’re going to get like a long
shot weirdo winner like out of left
field you know like a like we’ve seen
like a Danny Willet or something like
that nobody really had on the radar but
if you’re going dark horses like you can
get a two-time major champ down there
like that’s the kind of game that can
still get it done so he’s where I’m
going all right there you have it Scotty
Sheffer Shane Lowry for me Xander shaay
Dustin Johnson for the SAS are we in the
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