On Episode 492 of Spittin’ Chiclets, the guys are joined by Denver University Head Coach David Carle (00:20:38) to talk about their recent national championship, NIL deals and the transfer portal in NCAA hockey. But first, the boys recap their experience at the frozen four and Cutter Gauthier’s comments before the championship game. Later on, the guys preview the Colorado and Winnipeg first round playoff matchup. Coyotes aficionado, Frank Seravalli joined the show (01:36:33) to talk about the Coyotes moving to Utah, what led to the decision, and revealing how some of the players felt about finding out the news on Twitter. Which teams will match up in the first round? Could Philly somehow make it in? Find out in this weeks episode.
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hello everybody Welcome to episode 492
of spit and chicklets presented by Pink
Whitney for my friends at New Amsterdam
Vodka here in the Bol Sports podcast
family what’s up everyone the end of the
season is n playoffs are starting
Saturday and the boys had a ripper and
manyi Biz we’re going to go to you first
looks like you had an awesome time at
your first NCAA college experience the
Frozen Four baby hey thank you to fish
and G for kind of getting the ball
rolling on this I guess I got to thank
you too wi you’re a big beu guy mer Army
too they went last year with Game notes
the The Game notes boys kind of got the
ball rolling on everything so uh they
went to Tampa Minnesota incredible host
the people are so [ __ ] friendly there
and overall one of the best hockey
experiences front the back of my life as
a fan it was I mean we can I mean just
lob it up in the air now I’ll throw over
over to you wh right now like you were
only there for a couple days but [ __ ]
that was a blast of a final yeah it was
an amazing experience um I had been to
1998 Frozen 4 when Michigan beat BC it
was an incredible game then I think it
was 98 um I never made it as a player we
lost in the game uh my freshman
sophomore year to go to the Frozen for
against Maine and UNH actually the stud
UNH goalie who was my high school goalie
when I was a freshman he was a senior is
now a current assistant coach on BC
That’s Mike SS um I I do want to say
quickly like I I’ve [ __ ] on BC and I’ve
made it clear that I can’t stand BC but
the coaching staff are all great guys
and what an amazing team they had we’re
lucky enough we got David Carl joining
us in about an hour so we’re going to be
able to sit down and discuss his career
his amazing story on how he became a
coach and then the team he had this year
his second National Title they 10th the
race to 10 the first to 10 but BC head
coach Greg Brown uh assistant coach
Brendan Buckley who Biz you know I’m
pretty sure you got to know him unreal
guy is he the guy who gave you the
advice to to always laugh all time he
just started dying laughing I’ve told
the story a million times like what are
you laughing at he’s like trust me the
girls like when you laugh so of course
girls want to hang out with guys having
a good time but Brendan Buckley who’s
done an amazing job and Mike air so I as
much as have hatred for BC and I was
happy Denver won I do want to shout them
out for an incredible season one of the
most amazing lines I’ve ever seen in
college hockey um just cutter goer too
cutter goer was the villain we talk
about cutter gotier later we’re getting
to him look how excited G is to talk
about [ __ ] BC right now you turn at
wait till he sees the video wait till
everyone sees the video he started
halfway through the game I’m a fan of
growing the game of college hockey
you’re you’re
BC um James Haggins is could be the
number one pick in two years he’s a
future superstar in the
NHL year granelli goes where’s he going
to school H what a BC fan grelli he’s
going to be an eagle so that’s how much
BC uh gz dove into the BC phandom but I
missed Thursday I was too busy just
running away with the bar stool mini
golf title so 22 Grand coming to me
thanks for coming um but I got to watch
the Buu game they were the first game I
don’t know what it felt like in the
building but it seemed like after beu
scored that early goal if they could
have made it two nothing dude I don’t
know I think they they maybe I’m not
going to say run away with it with with
what go Denver’s goalie did and how he
played the entire run but it just seemed
like Denver hung around against UMass
they hung around and kind of got
dominated they won against Cornell they
hung around ended up winning same with
be and so I look at that game and the
one thing I can take take away from it
maybe and I don’t I don’t want to be
hard on refs maybe the worst officiated
game I’ve ever seen in my life for beu
not to get a power play in that game I
sound like I’m whining I sound like I’m
complaining I am a little bit I’m upset
my team lost and they they they they
ended up we didn’t get to see the the
Buc matchup everyone dreamed of but you
got to shout out Denver man they had a
veteran team they have a future
Superstar defenseman in the NHL my God
is he [ __ ] fun to watch you found
this Steve boam oh yeah it’s it’s and
he’s got the brother who I didn’t know
anything about the brother I hockey Deb
him second round pick to Detroit
probably has to work on the skating but
bigger and stronger than zeve he’s got a
chance to play in the NHL so they just
had so much power and so much like
veteran leadership along with I think
any hockey fan who watched will say one
of the hottest greatest runs by a goalie
the game’s ever seen oh yeah and and yes
it’s not series it’s one game
elimination that’s what really gives you
the chance to get goaled and he did it
to everyone um with with maybe I said on
on Instagram the best save I’ve ever
seen live against Ryan Leonard in the I
was getting emotional during his speech
after the game after he got the MVP and
what what what was the final quote first
to 10 baby yeah I mean he was crying a
little bit the guy who interviewing him
mentioned his parents and stuff so it
was very emotional but holy [ __ ] that
save that he had on Leonard and that’s
the number one thing that stuck out for
me how talented some of these prospects
coming in so every guy that uh um
obviously cutter go like he has every
skill set he’s fast he was physical he
has a great shot he makes plays uh maybe
not the best at pregame interviews he’s
going to probably have to work on those
but I would say uh front to back in the
two games I saw uh Leonard was the most
dominant every time on the ice he made a
difference guys were trying to maybe
take him off his game he’s like oh [ __ ]
you I can play that game too [ __ ] he’s
[ __ ] and he’s got a little bit of pep
in a step now I’m hearing that he’s
going back for one more year is that
true I don’t think it’s been announced
officially but I’m hearing that all
those freshman are coming back um which
is scary as a bu fan I think it makes
total sense I think perau right now on
BC obviously could use a little bit of
time I think he’s an NHL player maybe
not quite yet Will Smith oh God is he
nasty he is just like his hands are
filthy he’s so smooth and how he makes
plays and he’s just very cerebral out
there and he could go play in the NHL
but if I’m Mike Greer and I’m him it’s
like it it’s the old adage like it’s a
marathon not a Sprint like why are you
running to go play for San Jose who’s
probably going to be pretty bad again
and and and and and forego that
opportunity to come back and and and get
the job done as BC kind of you know they
had such a great team well what’s going
to get guys to come back oh we lost we
can come back and do it and then Ryan is
the one that’s most NHL ready for me but
it’s it’s the same thing like why not
just just fine-tune the few things that
right now are not weaknesses but are not
true strengths in your game and over the
summer training and then more time in
the waight room uh compared to playing
pro next year and boom he’s ready to
come out and bagr made a great point to
me I was on the same flight home with
him he said it’s not you’re not waiting
a year you’re waiting s months they’re
in the NHL at the end of next season you
know whether it’s right now as you’ll
see Lane Hudson and cot make their
appearances this week or if you don’t go
on a run to the Frozen Four it’s even
two weeks prior to this so I I I think
that it’s it’s just there’s no harm in
going back for a year I’ll say that
about anyone even about to fire you even
celebrini um who went on to win the
Hobie Baker congratulations just this
incredible Run for the youngest player
in college hockey dominates at both ends
of the ice I think if Chicago were to
somehow get the first overall pick after
winning the Hobie it’s kind of all right
I’m going to play with Connor Bard but
if it’s not Chicago and some of these
teams that that aren’t going to be good
very quickly even though Chicago won’t
be Bard’s The X Factor I would love to
see him go back and he’s so young it’s
just about the person are they ready to
move on and and and the one argument for
him is I I have done everything I can do
besides winning it all but personally
like I I already won the Hobie Baker so
we’ll see how that had a quote to this
weekend with I don’t know if you heard
it but he basically said like this is if
my advice to this kid he’s too good to
come back like he he’s he’s ready for
the NH yeah he’s ready for the NH he get
fired too he ain’t going anywhere I hope
um but I think I think Will Smith’s
decision really like if I’m him I’m
going back to BC 100% run it back with
those three but I think their decision
his decision really depends on what
happens with San Jose if San Jose gets
the first overall pick and they do take
mlin celebrini which they likely
will why he he could go next year
because if celebrini goes why wouldn’t
you send him with them so they can go
and play together and start learning and
developing chemistry together I think if
one guy leaves from BC they’re all gone
that’s kind of what happens The Dominoes
will fall think like who am I going to
play with and it’s and it’s not I’m not
going to say jealousy that’s not the
right word but it’s like oh you just
think about your line and and the and
the fact is now as I say perau and those
guys should go back say Leonard and
Smith decide to go perau can also play
in the AHL not that he wants to I’d
probably rather play my sophomore year
at BC than play in the AHL but for
growth that might that might also help
him I I know we’re talking about getting
stronger in the waight room in college
it’s just hard when you see your friend
in Lin made of two years leave and then
you’re kind of like I don’t know but as
I said Haggins is coming in one thing
you guys are right about though this
tournament probably had about 10 guys
maybe even a few more that could go into
the NHL and make impacts within a pretty
quick amount of time um Hudson was a
defenseman for beu and then you just
mentioned celebrini I felt like maybe
they didn’t look like they had the pep
in their step that would I would have
expected in the semi-final it is a long
season regardless if it is college um
Merles got run over he got popped I
think it was in like early in the second
and it he didn’t really look like
himself much after that so what do you
uh you think that this Hudson kid can
end up like a Quinn Hughes he’s tiny and
he’s also going to get his debut with
Montreal I think in his first game
against Detroit tonight tonight tonight
w we or last night for you guys
listening on Tuesday morning you think
he has that motor you think he has the
motor where he could be a Quinn Hughes I
mean he’s tiny dude he’s going to have
to I’ll answer that in one sec I talked
about it last week or two weeks ago but
for all you NHL fans that maybe aren’t
all into the college game yet we’re
actually going to come back on tonight
after the 7:00 games which uh
Washington’s playing Pittsburgh’s
playing the Islanders are playing and
the Red Wings are playing so we figured
we’re going to come back on and kind of
Rego over that Eastern Conference second
wild card spot race and make it a little
bit more fresh for you guys listening
now instead of not having the the
results for for Tuesday morning so um
with Hudson I I said it I yeah you
question he’s tiny but dude his
quickness and offensively I think he can
just light up the NHL I really do the
question will be in his own Zone and and
come playoff time and when the games are
a little bit more meaningful a little
more physical but NHL regular seasons as
we’ve said for years now dude they’re
not they’re not run after guys and
taking heads off it’s changed and he is
so good with the puck one-on-one that up
top like I mentioned before guys are not
going to be able to cover him it’s head
fakes it’s little movement I I I know
this sounds crazy and I’m not comparing
the player especially considering they
play different positions but one-on-one
hand uh stick handling quickness it’s
like Patrick Kane on defense it’s and
and and Quinn Hughes is not a great um
kind of analogy or comparison because
Quinn Hughes is so smooth he is so fast
without really looking that like he’s
just like floats around the ice Lane
Hudson’s a little more choppy but the
quickness is there so kind of like a
Duncan Keith yes that’s kind of how he
makes moves at the Blue Line and his
feet look a little bit like that
compared to just smoother and longer and
more fluid but I I can’t wait to see how
it plays out but I’m going to stand by
the fact that he is a 50-point player in
the NHL as a defenseman I don’t if it’s
next year but at some point you’re
getting 50 points out of that guy as a
defenseman and then last guy from be is
it Karan the goalie Kanan yeah yeah he
made two [ __ ] saves like sprawling
out in that semi-final to even keep the
minute and keep it tied so stick Taps to
him he was super impressive but uh going
after go ahead I was just going to say
we got to see another player that hopped
right in and that’s Frank Nazar I hope
I’m saying is it Nazar um oh boy Bo will
you talk about the pipeline in Chicago
this kid hops in first shot first goal
in the NHL he Snipes one against
Carolina but that final four you don’t
often get that lucky with one having
these Blue Blood programs who’ve been
amazing for so many years but you had
the top players in the NCAA that have
that have been drafted wise too or will
be drafted in celebrini you just got to
see everything the fan bases the players
I wish I missed Thursday I think
Thursday is probably a better day it’s a
it’s one ticket for two games you saw
some great action I didn’t see any of
the BC Michigan game but they just they
waxed them oh the and the Michigan game
no I ended up leaving halfway through
cuz yeah it wasn’t even close I think it
was three nothing halfway through the
game and it was getting late cuz the OT
pushed been pushed back but I’d seen
everything I needed to see with BC and I
knew that they were going to advance
what the the OT goal that be you lost on
did did what did you make of that did
did he get screamed a little bit or just
misplayed or what cuz he got a screamed
and it was Kade Weber who Toronto traded
and I mentioned Shanahan was like I love
this guy six7 blocks I blocks million
shots I kind of always in the way and he
went down he just missed it and karan’s
stick wasn’t in the middle five hole
Boom game over uh celra had had a great
chance earlier at the other end just a
heartbreaking loss for Buu though what a
season they had and I be BC had their
number all year besides that first Beano
game and you just needed him to get that
second goal against Denver same thing
with the final game going in I said BC’s
offense if they get one it’s going to be
trouble and I don’t think Denver’s
offense was that great I mean what was
the most goals they scored in a game two
yeah so like it was more like if they
got that first one and then they could
even have more of that lock down style
we could talk to David Carl about it
that would be the difference in that
game and and they were able to get it in
the second period and didn’t look back
all right cutter Go
Time so I mean everybody knows a story
about him not wanting to go to
Philadelphia then end up Trading him by
the way congratulations to him he just
signed with the Ducks he will be burning
a year off of his contract and going to
get in his first NHL action um he gets
pregame interviewed let’s send it off to
the AO audio right now what do you
anticipate this rematch on this
Championship stage to be like tonight
it’s going to be epic there’s going to
be a lot of emotions um you know and a
lot of Tears for that team over there so
uh we’re happy and we’re excited to get
after it later on in the interview he
did say that he was going to score a few
goals as well so not only saying there’s
going to be tears on the other side that
he’s going to pot a few himself
obviously they go on to get shelled hey
I’m in the media business boys I [ __ ]
love this guy put a mic on him follow
him around with Amazon for his first NHL
season he’s a [ __ ] quote machine but
putting it on a te for the opponent for
the bulle and boore material and all
alltime hockey Karma hockey Gods coming
at you Whit what do you what do you make
of this yeah being in media you’re like
thank God that guy said that we got
something to talk about I could tweet
about this guy what a [ __ ] what is he
thinking it’s just it is not that
difficult to before the game and they
just had walked into the arena you could
tell cuz he’s in his suit and tie still
so he probably just got off the bus boom
and got to do a little hit for the
pregame show it’s going to be a great
game we are so excited to play I can’t
wait to get out there that’s it the game
hasn’t started you you have not said
anything that that team could find out
about and I would be shocked if somebody
didn’t see that and say hey boys over in
the Denver room you gotta hear this one
and it’s just it’s it’s almost unfair to
your team because like everyone’s just
grinded all year it’s it’s one game IM
elimination it’s hard to get to that
game and now before the game you got
this guy just blatantly calling out a
win a Mark Messier style at least mess
went and got a hattrick
so yeah yeah I I just I just can’t
believe that you’d say something like
that like you’ve done so much this year
you could have you could have won the
Hobie Baker no one would have said a
word he’s going to be a 40 goal guy in
the NHL he flies too I didn’t realize
how good of a skater he was his shots
NHL Elite level already but you got to
get out of your own way with one game to
go you got 60 minutes dude what is that
quote going to do besides make you look
cooler if you win so what what would
make it it would make me nervous like
being like a a an organization who has
them like is that where your head’s at
knowing that you get interviewed before
the game that you’re you’re going to
just tee that up like why would your
mind even go there right exactly like
why would you just focus on the task at
hand like are you trying to be like it’s
such a hero shot but anyway and all it
does the only thing it can do on the
positive side is make you look cool at
the end of the game it it’s just it’s
just a a be first mentality before the
national title game and yeah dude the
kid’s 19 years old he’s going to be an
NHL stud but I I’d be remiss to sit here
and say that wasn’t the dumbest [ __ ]
thing I’ve ever seen said before a
national title game can we all agree
though cutter gotier was great for
college hockey this season I mean more
headlines from gotier alone this season
than the past five years combined one
and done baby let’s go I mean there a
fine line between confidence and and
Cockiness I I would suppose but he was
right bu they were tears on the other
side they just happen to be tears of joy
and you know not tears of sadness I
guess the a boy re not a boy but hey I
mean Denver I to me played the best game
what it mattered most I mean they
suffocated that team out with BC did we
weren’t Shad out once all season they
really couldn’t get much going so what
do you think boy we send it over to
Coach K right about now and get his take
on his first national championship or
what sounds great all right boys let’s
do that without further Ado enjoy David
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welcome our next guest at just 34 years
old he’s already won his second National
Championship as a head coach as well as
the 10th title in Denver University
history thank you so much for joining us
on the spit and chickens podcast David K
coach congratulations on a hell of a
victory unreal game the other night
thank you um it was really happy for for
our guys and um thanks for having me on
the show uh pleasure is all OD so you
dive right back right to next season or
you taking a little time for yourself to
to enjoy the victory here uh we enjoy it
a little bit for sure but the way the
world Works uh things move quickly so
it’s uh already met with some guys today
and we’ll meet with more tomorrow and um
try and shape up next year’s roster so
it moves quickly for sure does that mean
exit meetings or does that mean trying
to recruit uh more exit meetings so
we’ll we’ll do our yearend meetings with
everyone next year but like the guys who
are you know potentially looking to sign
or have those options in front of them a
lot of times just you’re drafted Juniors
um you’re having those meetings and just
seeing where things are going to where
the chips are going to fall you know so
right before we started this we kind of
went went went over the Frozen 4 and the
championship game and and and Matt Davis
was the overall you know biggest story
I’d say I I I think that that was one of
the greatest four span goal tending runs
at least in college hockey history and I
don’t know if you saw something change
with him I read a stat where it started
in March where he just dialed it in but
did you notice something that changed
and just took over where where he was
able to play that that high level hockey
yeah it was it was unbelievable and I
agree with you um it it’s got to be one
of the top all time I mean he let in let
in three goals and we played we played a
whole extra game of overtime periods as
well so he played five games and only
let in three goals we got out shot in
all four games um lowest goal total to
win a championship at eight offensively
for our team um and so no doubt I mean
we we couldn’t have done it without him
we we certainly got better as a team in
front of him defensively with the youth
that we had starting the year but I mean
he was he was he was Sensational he’s
out of this world um you know in that
third period there and what a save
obviously makes un lard um you know on
the on the kill for us uh Wick kind of
put me on to this zeve buan kid you
talked about your guys defensive game
like I think we had a guy Mike feuda
join us on the trip he said if he’s a
right-hand shot he’s probably going
first overall that’s how special this
guy is the way that he’s able to close
on guys Gap up make plays with the puck
he’s a he’s a horse no he is and uh he
ain’t get scored on once in the
tournament um and he he played he played
27 28 minutes every night the overtime
games him and baron got up to you know
close to 40 so um I mean I see him every
day I’m obviously a little biased but I
think he’s as impactful as any other
player in the draft and he’s a
no-brainer top five but um really I
think has an argument at at one two or
three now when you when you recruited
his brother and he came in who I
mentioned was a second rounder by
Detroit I didn’t know anything about him
I mean he’s a big old horse as well
plays strong and tough did you already
know about Z I’m guessing you did he’s
just two years younger was it almost one
of those things if we can get the older
brother we’ll get the younger guy or did
you like his game on his own even if he
didn’t have a younger brother that was a
stud yeah um sh they actually did their
Shai did his visit with z um on the
trail there you go package deal you know
they have to share a hotel room yeah
they might have been an unofficial I
don’t I don’t know what the rules were
back then they changed so much all the
time um I know we couldn’t offer zeve at
the time I know that rule was in place
but we offered Shai and um you know zeve
was you know all of probably what 14 or
15 years old and love the whole trip uh
both boys just smiling year to year and
we offered Shai and and Shai’s like
Shai’s a little more methodical you know
I need to take a couple days talk to my
parents and Z’s kind of looking at them
like what are you doing man like you’re
coming here like zeve wanted to jump up
and Shake our hand uh when we offered
Shai so it was really cool you know when
we were able to finally offer zeve with
the rules and and how they are and um
having a having two brothers who played
the game are just so jealous of the two
of them like how many times they’ve been
able to link up they played on the same
power play unit all year that would lead
to them playing some five on five
together um but how many times they
Linked UP scoring goals this year and um
just so jealous that they got to have
that experience they’re great kids and
um had an unbelievable year together
yeah so we’ll be at the draft and
hopefully we can we we can sit down with
zeve um but in terms of his story like
the parents moved over from Israel and
they moved to La I believe or anim and
they were driving a long way have have
you even talked to him about how he got
into the game was his dad just like Hey
try this sport I don’t know if you’ve
chatted with them about that yeah I
think a lot of their was their older
brother and then family members um got
him into the game and but the very
athletic family I mean the mom uh was on
the Israeli women’s national basketball
team um she’s just she’s world class um
great person great athlete um you know
so there’s it’s a family of boys Shai’s
the middle Z’s the younger and um they
just fell in love with the game and you
know like many of us have parents who uh
were willing to make that sacrifice and
take the time to let their kids Chas
their dreams and uh both ended up at
shadic uh zeve ended up the national
program uh but both found their way to
Denver as true freshman and uh could to
be proud of them which doesn’t happen at
all anymore I was I was talking recently
about I mean it seems like unless you’re
a stud you got to go play at least one
if not two years a junior so even though
you guys are a top program and and can
grab these number one recruits have you
had to kind of fall in line with how
every other school’s just gotten that
much older and waiting waiting and
making kids take a couple years before
they come yeah a little bit I mean our
our model’s slightly different than like
I would say the the other Blue Bloods if
that’s what people call them like we we
have I think five first round picks in
the history of our school um you know we
won with I I think 12 to 13 picks in
22 um in 2017 I think we only had seven
or eight this year might have been 10 to
12 um but no I mean z will be a first
round pick but you know uh no first
round picks in 22 none of these teams
that have had you know be tried to do it
with eel obviously Michigan’s had it BC
just had it it’s really hard um for
whatever reason to to win building that
way and um we found a way to still have
really good play ERS um but maybe we get
them at as a 19-year-old freshman um you
know second through seventh round picks
generally stay for three years and so
you get them for their junior year where
the first rounders a lot of times are
one or two years so you have more roster
turnover and um so I think that’s how I
wouldn’t say it’s like a model that
we’ve created it was going on you know I
would say George gu Dei and Steve Miller
really started it and and we’ve just
tried to you know continue it and keep
it going
um under Monty and and myself so I think
that’s been one of the real keys to Our
Success is trying to keep players you
know have the opportunity to coach
players through their through their
junior year A lot of times and it’s not
like we’re old we were the second
youngest team in the country um chose to
have 11 freshman this year didn’t bring
any transfers in um you know and and
really proud of the guys for all the
growth that they made and strides they
made throughout the year to to win our
last game coach I I know you mentioned
ear about me with a drafted Juniors I
want to talk about an undrafted Junior
your goalie Matt Davis do you expect
them to be back next year yeah we do um
you know he he’s he’s an unbelievable
story great um great kid great family um
I don’t know if you saw the article
after but I mean he said he was crying
because his mom was alive and she got to
see him um do that she had a a cancer um
battle and um was successful with that
and just an amazing amazing family and
you know Matt played two years under
Magnus Crona his first two years so
played sparingly was you know played the
first five games this year was hurt um
all the way until the start of our
second half of the season and I think
you saw you know where you as like when
did he find his Groove didn’t play a lot
of hockey for two and a half years with
the injury and playing behind Crona and
you know he was an everyday guy in Green
Bay for two years was full-time starter
in Spruce Grove in the AJ and so that’s
that’s hard for goalie to like get back
into that Rhythm and um you know I think
that’s what really peaked for him is the
last six eight weeks he finally really
got into his Groove Ryan mass or goalie
coach do great work with him um but I
would expect him um to to attend some a
development camp or two um certainly
he’s he’s raised his hand to NHL teams
and um you know our hope would be that
we have an excellent season again next
year and and he does have an opportunity
um at the end of his senior year to sign
a a pro contract uh you guys were pretty
high rank coming in but did you realize
it was a very special group early on
like were you aware of that right away
just on how maybe they all jelled in
training camp and and when they came in
yeah I think like I mean we lost
obviously we won in 22 and then we lose
in the first round against Cornell um
the following year and now you’re
looking at only eight players off the 22
team and you’re only you’re only 24
months removed from I mean it like goes
quick I saw qac allance five players off
their off their 23 championship team so
like the turnover it happens quickly
everywhere and um I think the the guys
who are part of the loss against Cornell
it was a good wakeup call for our group
like to not take things for granted and
um you know not that we did all year I
mean I thought they were pretty into it
the whole season during the 23 year but
losing always I think sharpens you and
um bringing in the 11 freshman
not dis similar to what we did after our
21 season we had a big freshman class it
just adds a new level of excitement and
life and and new blood and energy that
you know they they all saw us win in 17
and 22 and they want to come in and try
and leave their work on the program and
and then you’ve got the returners who
are like last year sucked let’s get it
back to what it was so I just think it
was a really motivated group um mckade
Webster did like an amazing job uh
bringing everyone together the closeness
of the team um he he has an ability a
unique ability to like reach social
circumstances really make everyone feel
a part of it and you know he’s not you
know he’s not the guy that everyone
talks about everyone wants talk about
zeve and Rizzo and and um and divine and
different guys on our team but you don’t
win without great leadership at this
level and uh mck mid was that all year
long for us yeah is that is it hard to
keep these guys Under Wraps with like in
the college situation these guys are
young wanting to have a good time like
is that part is that part of the the the
Dilemma being a coach for a college team
uh right now or in general well in
general I mean like your your experience
so far I mean you seem to be Way Beyond
your years as far as maturity’s
concerned but I mean I know what I was
like when I was 20 and if I would have
went to college like I don’t know
exactly where all my focuses would have
been yeah I mean we get we get kids um
they really care about
but they a lot of times they come from
families who um the academics may not be
the highest priority for the kids like
today but they come from families that
are they’re really um interested in um
you know we have a great business school
it’s private institution it’s only you
know people think that Denver is some
people think this Denver is this big
State School in a city 20,000 people um
like it’s a 7,000 undergrad it’s not a
real big school and so the education for
the families usually matters a lot and
then we do certainly sell the the social
experience of being in an NHL Market in
a big city um we’re tucked away south of
downtown guys don’t need cars I mean our
guys everything they need is walking
distance they never get in a car to go
have fun or to do anything they can walk
everywhere to a house party a fra party
um a sorority um the college uh bar that
that is right on campus they it’s a safe
environment you know to
have that whole college experience and
um you know a lot of what we talk about
is just take care of one another college
is about learning finding your
boundaries and all those types of things
and um our guys they work hard and and
they get rewarded for it they they get
to have a good time as well um and they
get to learn and experience where those
where those boundaries are at and I
think that’s a big part of being a young
person today we want to want to crucify
kids for for making any little error and
um you know I don’t think that’s our
role in uh in society we we were all
like you said we were all there at one
time and it’s to try and educate them
and bring them along and um the growth
you see from freshman to junior freshman
to senior like that’s the coolest part
of the whole thing you’ve been open and
and and and talking about kind of
changing the whole Regional setup and
and giving the number one team maybe the
ability to host it and just create that
crazy campus Vibe throughout both games
not just the home teams games and then
this year you guys are number one seed
you get sent out east where you got to
play UMass and Cornell and teams that
have fan bases that can drive so do you
think there’s ever a chance that that
happens and and even in this season’s
example did you have to talk to your
team like all right boys number one seed
but we’re kind of we’re sent out there
like let’s almost prove them wrong yeah
I think our um our team had a good vibe
to it where you know we didn’t we didn’t
really care I mean we we have to travel
a lot you know I looked at uh we looked
at like Buc schedules I think they this
was maybe their second or third Flight
of the year um coming out to the Frozen
4 it was our 11th Flight of the year um
like we started the year in Fairbanks
Alaska we went right to Boston after so
we’re not afraid to go on the road and
um play anyone and and do that sort of
thing so I do think that they took it
that way um regarding yeah making our
tournament better I mean I’d love to
talk more about it for sure if you guys
want to but um I I’m a firm believer
that you earn your home ice and the top
eight should host the bottom eight I I’m
not in favor of like I don’t think we
should have hosted UMass Cornell um in
Maine in Denver I think that that would
have been awful for the other uh matchup
you know and arguably it be worse than
what we currently do um so I think it
should turn into a three-week tournament
top eight o bottom eight um the
remaining top four host for remaining
bottom four single game weekends and
then and then go to the Frozen Four it’s
a great event
um you know I don’t everyone earns their
home ICE you create drama you know in
the in the the four spot like trying to
win that race you create drama in the
home ICE spot of trying to get to the E
hole um right now the drama is great
everybody loves watching the tournament
bubble but you’d have you’d have way
more drama around around the rest of the
seating so um there’s a lot of reasons
and we can get into those if if you want
to um but I’m certainly a proponent of
it not really for for Denver um and I I
say this the best way I can like we’ve
won with this model so I don’t really
care about us um we’ve done it more than
anybody and it’s about what’s best for
college hockey and you know I think
we’ve been we’ve been passed by some
sports you just have to look at the new
ESPN deal who’s a partner of the NHL and
um there’s a card valve for six to seven
Sports to get EBC time during their
National Tournament you know we we spent
our whole tournament on ESPN 2 and I’m
not saying should bump the Masters but
maybe we shouldn’t be on the Masters
weekend but we need to we need to think
logically about how do we how do we get
this thing going why is hockey not C out
for ABC time on our Frozen 4 it it
doesn’t make sense to me and so I think
the best thing we can do right now is
have open conversation about how do we
make it better for the student athletes
and for the fans and and grow the game
because I think we’d all love to have 10
more teams for 10 more staffs and 180
more
scholarships um we’re kicking the chl’s
ass right now i’ I’d love the
opportunity to to keep our foot on the
gas um in college hockey I know I like
you having a strong opinion about it
it’s awesome uh but going back wait you
end up mentioning something that they
might change where if you do play Junior
Hockey you can end up go going off uh to
college where like right now if you play
Junior Hockey you can’t right it
eliminates your your ability to go do
that do you think for the growth of the
game as well they should stop doing that
rule as well yeah I’m be honest B I’m a
little more I was probably against that
early um I’m more openm minded to it now
and um what
changed I think based on what Biz just
said I mean um I think there’s there’s
merits to both sides of it I think we
we’re doing a great job against the CHL
right now um getting the top end players
but if you’re talking about trying to
add 10 more programs certainly having a
bigger player pool would be would be
advantageous to that um I think there’s
a lot of things that need to be ironed
out and I think we need to move slower
than quicker on on the CHL question and
you know seek advice from lawyers agents
the NHL there’s a lot of things that can
be impacted from it um you know us law
versus Canadian law there’s there’s a
difference in those things just as um
some of the topics but generally
speaking Biz I’m I mean I’m open to to
hearing about it might be decided for us
I’ve chosen to um share my thoughts more
on the in tournament because I feel like
that is more
known um I’ve put more thought into that
I think there’s more of um a need for it
at this time and and there’s a window
for that change with um two years
remaining on our on our current model
and then bidding out only a two-year
cycle not a four-year cycle on the next
round of things so I’m not against it I
don’t know if I’m for it yet but i’ I’ve
certainly come more to the middle on it
coach regard maybe going to that
regional thing we’re talking about do
you get the sense a lot of your peers
are on the same page theyd like to see
that change as well I think it’s growing
um certainly out west it’s been talked
about a lot um I think the the turnover
of of coaches around the country I think
there’s there’s more talk of it out east
um you know regarding it but I think we
need open and honest conversation about
is is what we’re doing what’s what’s
best for the game so um is it a majority
or I don’t I don’t know that um but it’s
been talked about a bit in Florida and I
think it needs to be um front and center
for us to to discuss as a body two other
things we’ve heard about a lot recently
name image likeness and and the transfer
portal how have they affected how you do
your job the last couple years again on
its on its whole you know we’re we’re
for player rights and their ability to
have more autonomy and control in
situations and so I think on the whole
it’s it’s a general positive um does it
create chaos yes it does um but I it’s
not changing we’re not putting the cap
back in the bag so it’s like you have to
find a way um regardless of what the
rules are and I’d go back to the same
thing with the CHL question if that’s
what the rules are then we’ll play by
them we don’t that’s our job to to adapt
and and figure things out and I think
every year is a little bit different two
years ago we um you know we added cam
right as as our only transfer before the
2122 season uh we haded dornbach and uh
and Bros the the following summer last
year we chose not to add anybody um this
year I don’t know if legally I’m allowed
to by rule allowed to talk about it but
we’ve added two um already for next
year’s team so it’s just year to year on
where you’re kind of at in your cycle
and um where you’re at with your
recruits and and those types of things
so it it certainly made it more complex
with roster management um in those
states of things but on the whole
players should have more autonomy and
that’s what that’s what this gives them
in regards to nil um you know you’re
seeing it a lot in other sports I think
it’s getting bigger in college hockey I
don’t know if it’s the end all be today
but I think in the next year to three
years it’s going to play a bigger and
bigger role and you’re going to see
you’re going to see it out there a lot
more I said a few weeks back like I I
totally
agree with um being able to transfer
because it’s like you’re a junior you
kind of see all right I don’t know how
much I’m going to play the next two
years I’d love to get a chance to go
somewhere where I’m going to play but
I’m under the opinion that maybe one
transfer rule I don’t know where you
stand on that because it just gets a
little ridiculous to me if you can go to
four schools in four years it just seems
like well yeah I mean there’s still um
there’s still progress toward degree
requirements the kids have to hit and I
I don’t disag agree with you with like
yeah one maybe is the Mak sense but now
you’re at your second school and I mean
can’t be a team [ __ ] what well I know
but what if it’s awful what if what if
you have a bad experience what if the
coach leaves what if I mean you just you
don’t know I mean it it’s hard to in the
inst of way is not losing or not winning
that Court battle they’re just they’re
not going to um when you talk about
student athlete rights and um so I think
at the end of the day it’s it’s trying
to it gets back to trying to get the
right people in your program try to
treat them right develop them and and
that’s not to say I mean we we want in
22 we had two kids in our office uh 24
hours later saying they wanted to to go
somewhere else and get more opportunity
and that may happen this year as well I
don’t know but we’re happy for those
kids if they if they choose to do that
like because if they don’t have it here
what they’re looking for then they
should have the
opportunity um to go find that and we
stay in touch with those kids and we had
a kid who you know could have done a 50e
last year Brad Edwards he went to nor
Eastern he’s in the locker room with our
guys when we’re out to play Providence
and BCS in the locker room with our guys
in St Paul um you know so
it’s it’s it’s very complex but you you
try and get the right people and you
don’t always make the perfect decisions
and neither the kids picking the right
school and um that those types of things
so I don’t think the autonomy is Bad are
there bad things happen for sure but I
think the overall majority of it is is a
is a good thing for the kids and we
still have the fifth years which will be
done after this year so you’ll see the
volume lower next year um with the
portal because the the fifth year covid
guys this is the last um year that they
can do it so I think you’ll see the
number drop the NCAA they give us the
numbers down in Florida and they talk
very uh matter of factly and they’re
like they think we don’t have hardly any
transfers cuz they look at football they
look at basketball oh yeah and so
they’re like you guys yeah we think you
guys are in great shape and everyone’s
like you know shocked by it and there
200 people on the list it’s like yeah
but that’s nothing compared to these
other sports and that’s how the NCAA
sees the totality of it we get stuck in
the weeds of our sport but I’m telling
you it’s it’s nowhere near what what it
is in in other um Arenas I feel like uh
College coaching jobs can provide maybe
a little bit more security
than NHL positions do you have as
aspirations to move on to the NHL um
it’s a great question um I would tell
you right now I I don’t um doesn’t mean
I wouldn’t talk to teams um to go
through that experience and process um I
love it here I think when you look at
the the data of NHL coaches compared to
to other sports leaks I mean it’s the
guys are fired at a at a much higher
rate you’re um you know got a young
family we got a three-year-old and a
six-month-old um I get treated very well
here um am I saying no to it no but it
would have to be a really special
opportunity um it have to be a lot of
money and um you know I don’t know if
anyone’s willing to pay that for for 34
first year head head coach um in the NHL
so it’s not it’s on my radar but it’s
but it’s not if that makes sense I’m me
I don’t have that itch um you know to to
go at the first opportunity or to be um
knocking doors down to tell people this
is what I want to do so um love it here
we got a great program and we’re set up
to win year in and year out and um
that’s what’s fun is is seeing these
kids have those experiences to to win
their last game of the year there’s
nothing better than I I think there’s
probably a lot of college hockey fan um
non- College hockey fans or non USA
World Junior Team fans who don’t really
know know your story and and and and
your your amazing coaching career so far
comes from a from from some heartbreak
and and that is being being um given
your your heart condition when you went
to the draft I think combine and I had
the chance of playing with your older
brother Matt incredible player skated
like the wind I read that you skated
pretty much the exact same and we’re
looking at being you know a second round
pick so can you take us through just
having a deal with that heartbreak and
and and making the most out of it like
you have yeah I was I went to shadic St
Mary’s uh
great hockey school um really fortunate
to to have the opportunity to go there
um the my senior year was invited to the
to the combine and at that time they did
EKGs on
everybody um went through all the
testing all the interviews there was a
48 hour rule that that you probably
remember where everything had to just be
really crammed in and so you’re in and
out um and about a week after I got back
from the combine got a call from the HL
doctor saying hey we think you know your
red flag on EKG test you need to you
need to go get more testing done so um I
saw some doctors in in Alaska where
where we’re from and he goes I have two
patients with this in the whole state um
I’m not I don’t have the the knowledge
or the expertise to tell you you can’t
play hockey so um ended up going down to
the Mayo
Clinic um did a week’s worth of testing
there and um unfortunately was was
diagnosed with with ar condition that uh
forced me to to retire and and stop
playing and believe the next day or two
days later was the draft um that
afternoon Denver honored my scholarship
uh Tampa took me in the seventh round um
as a you know as a real favor and
unbelievable gesture that I probably
appreciate more and more um because we
have seventh rounders on our team who
are really good players and have a
chance to playing the NHL and I’m like
you wasted that on me but um really
thankful for that and and George guazi
and his staff had me here um honored the
scholarship and that’s how I got into
coaching um at the age of 18 and each
year my role kind of grew and expanded
and um did more work with the guys did
more video did more meetings with
coaches and um Derek Lon hired me in
Green Bay as my first full-time job as
an assistant coach um in the USHL and uh
then Monty hired me back here a year and
a half into being in Green Bay and then
he left and I was fortunate enough to
get the job so everything’s kind of
happened way
faster um than I thought it would like
getting back to Denver an assistant that
was always like the dream and the goal
and that happened really quickly with
with Steve Miller leaving um to go to
the USHL and then you know to be the
head coach at 28 was just um probably
didn’t know what I was getting into
fully was a little nervous for it but uh
it’s it’s been a great ride so far and
really blessed and fortunate do you
think it aided in in your development
the fact that there wasn’t maybe much of
an age Gap when you started and the fact
that maybe the players could relate to
you a little bit more and like I mean
nowadays I think that you have to treat
the players a lot different than maybe
when I was playing right it has to be a
lot of a lot of dialogue and
conversation and it seems like you’ve
like you said accelerated and got that
position at 28 years old where all of a
sudden the Gap ain’t that big well I
think starting at 18
um certainly helped with that like the
the two guys I worked with the most like
on individual skills and stuff was Drew
and Nick Shaw um very very high
maintenance love to talk and so like I
think I learned a lot from from Drew and
Nick to be honest and uh you’re like I
don’t know if I want to coach [ __ ] this
[ __ ] yeah um so I don’t know I yeah
early on I I think so and just but
having the O I think where where I the
most fortunate was like George guazi is
I mean he’s a he’s a Hall of Fame coach
at the college ranks unbelievable person
new Derek Lon coaches in Detroit now um
Jim Montgomery obviously everyone knows
his story and in Boston now so to like
get those three mentors from the age of
18 to
28 um you know you couldn’t ask for a
better situation and so um you know and
they were they’re much older than I am
but they connect really well with people
so I don’t I never really like get on to
the age thing um I just think people who
can communicate um you know honestly and
concisely and deliver a message but but
build by in with an individual and a
team um that’s what I learned from those
guys and I think that’s what has allowed
you know us to continue to have success
here at Denver and I’ve got two former
head coaches on my staff and in Tavis
McMillan and Dallas Ferguson and you
know they they’ve helped me a ton too
that’s one of the things that’s helped
us be successful is the staff has stayed
the same since 2018 we haven’t had a ton
of Staff turnover so I think that helps
the players know what environment
they’re coming into every day and uh
they feel comfortable in that allows
them to perform at their best and um all
those things so i”ll be a little bit
into it in in this week of Celebration
and it’s your second one I I I I hate to
go back to that that tough news you got
but at the beginning was it I mean you
had to deal with some depression like
was it almost hard to be around the game
and the players that you were there to
to to play with and all the freshmen
that you were there that you were living
with was was there a moment when you
when when you really couldn’t be around
the rink or couldn’t be around the
players or was it almost easier that
they gave you the the the you know the
coaching assistant role yeah for me it
was um it was more therapeutic to be
around it and everyone’s going to be
different in that right because I mean
you we all see and know people that um
you know that they’ll play a really long
pro career and then they retire and they
really struggle with their identity and
what they’re going to do next and and
all those things we all know people that
have you know gone through that and um
you know I I talked to some people
through that that you know they just
went to throw their stuff in the
dumpster and couldn’t go into a hockey
rank ever again and you know I don’t
think anything’s right or wrong it’s
just it’s just how different people cope
with stuff for me um it was therapeutic
to be at the rank it was good for me to
be around um the team and be on the ice
and it helped me I think you know move
on from it and and try and carve out a
different path with it and I think so
much of it too was I felt so grateful
that the university honored my
scholarship that um and I still feel
that dead gratitude today uh because I
don’t know where I’d be without without
that you know I I wouldn’t have gone to
college I was the first first in my
family um mailed to get a degree and um
so I I probably wouldn’t have gone to
school I’d be back home living in Alaska
living a good life um but it wouldn’t be
doing this and um so for that I’m all
I’m very thankful I got one more and
that’s about the hard condition now is
that something where you know you can’t
even go out running like what what about
the the activity of hockey like could
could you not do is it just you can’t
get your heart rate too high so yeah
odds are that um I’ll say first it’s the
a little bit on the it’s hypertrophic
cardiopathy it’s HCM for sure it’s a
leading killer amongst young athletes in
America um everybody you know when they
say oh this 21-year-old had a heart
attack um or this 16-year-old had a
heart it’s not what it is it’s sudden
Cardiac Arrest it’s a it it um it’s a
it’s your heart muscle tissue um many
times it gets thick the tissue doesn’t
grow properly it gets disarrayed is what
they say um and then the electrical
signals get mixed up and it it leads to
fatal rhythmus um and so what what can
contribute to that is is think about
hockey you go out you go Max heart rate
then you go rest you go Max and
so that’s when you’re most at risk is
when you’re going from rest to Max and
then down and so um when you have it
when you’re diagnosed with it they say
that you’re if you have it your life
expectancy is that of a normal person
you just have to be able to manage it so
do I run no but I I always hated running
um but it’s so I I work out it’s just
very it’s just very calm um it’s I’m not
I’m not trying to impress anybody it’s
just to get it moving and you bring the
heart rate up slow and you bring it down
slow and um it’s probably what most
normal people do um when they do any
sort of physical activity anyways so and
the odds are that nothing would have
happened throughout my time in my career
if IID continued to play but the risk um
at the time the science showed wasn’t
worth it Mickey rad had passed away in
February of 2008 um he was uh the
captain of the Windsor Spitfires I think
he was drafted by Calgary and then Cher
panov who was a first round of the
Rangers died I think that fall of
something very similar and so those
three things all happen within you know
a a seven-month period And I was the one
who was alive and so that really helped
me feel like grateful to even be above
the ground and um you know the NHL has
since they do Echo cardiograms now
because of that year they do more heart
screening they do more testing um which
I think is great because a lot of the
hard tests aren’t done at pediatric
appointments they’re not done at
physicals and so it’s it’s it’s great
that there’s more screening um happening
and hopefully nobody gets caught or
diagnosed I cross my fingers every
combine that that it doesn’t happen to
someone else but um I think it’s it’s
much better than than uh you know
fatalities happening and in these
horrible accidents prior to your EKG
coach was there any hint that something
was a Miss at any point or it was just
kind of they say your oftentimes your
first symptoms the last one many people
are
asymptomatic um don’t present anything
and um you know and to this day I really
I’m not symptomatic with anything um so
it like that’s probably the hardest part
is like you feel normal you feel yeah
fine and you’re being told that you
can’t play and it’s that’s the hard
thing to kind of wrap your mind around
you know we’re talking about hot head
and you broke this guy’s hatot Saturday
I producer Mikey gry I know he wanted to
jump on and ask you a question here G
what do you have for Coach well uh he a
lifelong BC fan I used to live with uh
one of your former players who was on
the 2017 uh National Title team oh God
Rudy Rude Boy Rude Boy absolute real uh
and he told me to ask if you’ve learned
how to spell the word process and kind
of the whole story behind that so I’ve
have not learned how to spell it um you
so it’s it started in uh actually at the
XL Energy Center um we were it was 2016
we were playing be in the first round
and
um we had actually funny story of the
side not we were recruiting Nikki
borgstrom at the time and um it was us
and be we were the two finalists and
Monty and I we were up on The Concourse
and we saw boor egyp and uh it’s a great
Monty story he said he looks at B from
agent he says Hey whoever wins the game
gets
board and uh he kind of looks at him
like are you serious and he goes dead
serious and so I knew then that we were
in a really good place to win Monty felt
that good about it we were we were in a
good spot and so anyways we go
downstairs we we do our meetings and and
on the board the guys would write the
process um which is a set of objectives
that we try and accomplish every game
and I just finished my PK meeting and I
erased the whole board
and the guys they go out to do their
warmup and I’m like I got to write it
back up there I’m an awful speller and
so I wrote it but I wrote it I didn’t
know if it was a c or an S I’m still not
sure both in there and uh the guys come
back and it was we won the game I think
72 um went on to the Frozen Four uh won
it the next year and it kind of became a
bit of a moniker will butcher um will
butcher wanted to keep it because we
never I don’t think we ever went seven
for seven in the process so he’s like
it’s imperfect let’s keep it misspelled
and now it’s everywhere it’s on our
Jersey it’s on our wall all lit up and
um has kind of become a thing and we
obviously got board from so he chose the
right school with and uh we wanted all
2017 coach I feel like we’ve sort of
buried the lead a little bit here the
the KAG gotier clip that a lot of people
didn’t see till after the game did did
the locker room catch wi of that before
the game and if so take us through that
yeah they we didn’t we had no idea what
that he said that no didn’t see it um
wow at least I didn’t I don’t think the
players did I know Webster was asked um
in the postgame about it and um I don’t
it wasn’t a thing for our guys and
that’s something we would use but uh
right absolutely no we didn’t see it so
um what do you make of it now it’s fine
I mean I I coached cutter he’s he’s a
great kid I actually you know I thought
he got dragged through the mud after the
whole Philly thing and um I got a lot of
respect for how he handled himself
through all that you know players don’t
have many rights in this game and for an
opportunity to uh to use a little bit of
Leverage that you have I I got no
problem with that so um regarding the
quote I mean I think that’s cutter is a
real confident kid um you know he said
he said similar things like that over in
Sweden and I was good with it then and
um you know it’s he’s going to have a
great career’s he’s a great kid and um I
don’t have much else to say on it it we
loved it there no hard feelings and
listen and like I hear fredman say all
the time like people jump on these kids
when they say something authentic but
then we all say we want them to be more
authentic so correct yeah you can’t have
it both ways I think it’s great we’re
talking about it everybody’s talk it’s
good eyeballs for the sport we talk
about trying to grow the game and we
need a little bit of personality so I
got no issue with it um texted him after
he signed and you know he’s going to
have a bright future there with uh with
Troy Terry and they got a great young
core and he’s going to be a big part of
it yeah you guys I mean absolutely
suffocated BC hell of a game plan did
you have to kind of dig deep into the
speech pile was it sort a routine
obviously you know national championship
ship game is huge but yeah I’m not like
I’m not the big ra guy you probably
former players um so it’s just kind of
business as usual and um you know we
showed obviously a lot of video of BC
and and but nothing abnormal to our our
regular prep work and I think at ala we
had played them earlier in the year here
um you know and and we had been
preparing I think the right way
defensively for the last two months and
although they were certainly the most
like formidable opponent and had the
most
weapons um it was the guys were ready
for it because of that so it was a
clinic for two periods and um you know
they get two power plays in the third
and they have a big push I thought them
putting you know cutter and and Lenny
together really gave us problems um in
their five on five game they were able
to get pucks behind us a bit more and
possess some stuff and and get it
through the neutral zone but Matt Davis
had had the period of uh you know of his
life and and probably the NCA tournament
it was it was unbelievable what he did
yeah third period was basically a gender
Clinic yeah it was yeah so not only do
you win the national title but you coach
the USA World Junior Team you go into
Sweden play Sweden in the gold medal
game and and get that get that job done
there so I don’t know do you think
coaching and tournament maybe made you
even a better Coach and that big of a
game in Sweden playing against them kind
of helped coaching in the NCAA
tournament you kind of put the two
together at all I mean I I think it
helped
probably coaching again or coaching
against now some of the players that we
had um in Sweden knowing them a little
bit but they also knew like all of our
systems so um that’s a two-way street I
think anytime you get exposed to high
level hockey players and highle
events it it helps and but all to say
like I mean I still really nervous for
the UMass game like you still get the
same butterflies and not nervous but
like the just the heightened awareness
and the the anxiousness and um you know
felt very it’s weird you feel calm and
comfortable for Cornell and beu and and
but then you’re taking on BC and it just
the stakes and you coaching big games it
it doesn’t matter it’s like that’s what
makes the sport so great and it gets
your adrenaline going and um there’s a
winner and a loser and that’s that’s
Athletics and um it’s either pure joy or
pure heartbreak and that’s the that’s
what we all sign up for so did it help
yes but uh I think you still get those
moments and it’s the emotions take over
I Bo I I can’t thank you enough conrat
great story yeah it was an amazing
amazing team a hell of a run and you
personally have a have an incredible
story so congrats on all your success
man and and keep it up oh thanks guys I
appreciate it thanks for what you do for
hockey you guys are making it bigger
it’s awesome oh appreciate it thank you
thank you so much coach have a great
summer thanks
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gon big thanks to David Carl uh huge
Championship second now for for as young
as he is very impressive and uh I guess
up to to wrap up that whole trip boys we
got to thank schories where we had the
pink Whitney event uh the people were so
nice and kind it was rammed in there
right before the game uh top 10 Liquors
where we had the pink Whitney bottle
signing and uh and futes Mike Fuda my
old uh General assistant general manager
of the LA Kings general manager of the
Owens sound attack I’ve uh won a cder
cup with him uh he joined us on the trip
so it was a blast hanging out with him
and uh I think that pretty much uh wraps
it up oh no Billy
Sushi what was your that place I don’t
know how many people from Minnesota have
been to Billy sushi in Downtown
Minneapolis but this guy who owns the
place is an absolute character he’s an
animal and we had been there when the uh
blues and the wild played at the outdoor
classic when it was minus 30 I think
2020
January 1st 2021 so we got a chance to
go with Keith Ballard and he’s kind of
like yeah this is where all the Wild guy
goes I think they do their end of the
year party there we saw his back room
originally when we went where he had an
American flag like Art Exhibit on his
wall that he had a secret button that he
pressed and he opened up there was like
an AK-47 in there and then he ends up
having an upstairs office with he I
think he said one of the largest um
collections of Japanese whiskey
Amica and I believe this guy this guy
was was a machine and then he’s like you
got to see Billy’s after dark too so we
go down all the way to the basement and
he had a little speakes he set up that
was a completely different restaurant I
don’t know if it was the same menu with
the tombs pumping a nice little hangout
and so we just got we got stuffed with
sushi it was incredible the food’s
phenomenal we want to thank him for
hooking it up yeah and it was great
seeing futes hearing all his old stories
he’s so dialed in getting to shoot the
the [ __ ] with him at that last dinner we
went to so it was a great weekend I
unfortunately I wasn’t there the whole
time but I had a blast the two nights I
was I was present and then two more
thank yous quick Jordan from the NCAA
dialed Us in all weekend it’s it’s it’s
awesome how much the NCAA is willing to
work with us and help us and get us into
these events so that was so awesome and
encouraging and then uh Conor Mahoney
absolute Legend dialed Us in for the Box
on Thursday dial the boys in on Saturday
so shout out to him oh yeah we got to to
watch the game and the comfort of a of a
private box we actually saw Billy Garren
was a few box over he was rooting for BC
kind of giving it to wit about bu so it
was good chumming it up and uh once
again to Minnesota you guys were an
incredible host and they don’t they
don’t [ __ ] around when they say
Minnesota nice r no not at all I was a
little jelly I couldn’t get out there
but I don’t want to sound like gges for
two episodes in a row hello everybody
Welcome to SPI blah for for the audience
but no I and plus it would have been
four weekends in a road Trav and did
want to do that because boys we are on
the road once again this weekend back on
Long Island f n NYPD 50th annual game
cannot wait we’re all going to be in the
microphones there Biz in the booth wh
the bar between the benches Saturday uh
4M b.v G any other details the folks
well yeah R just to correct you um I
mean uh it’s uh a tough sleding here so
originally they had April 22nd Monday
April 22nd as the NHL playoff starting
date and a few months based on the fact
that they wanted to capitalize on the
starting on a Saturday aturday April
20th uh they moved the playoffs up and
in the last day of the regular season on
the Thursday there’s six teams who are
in playoffs in the west playing so it
seems as if though they’re going to
start a few teams in the east on the
exact same day at the exact same time as
we were supposed to do this NYPD FDNY
broadcast um obviously I can’t be in two
places at once and this is a major major
dilemma and um you know after Consulting
with with Dave and and Wht and our side
and and then being as as gracious and
nice as they are they’ve kind of
basically given me permission to to miss
it for the opening of Stanley Cup
playoffs and uh I’m gutted i’ it’s been
uh it’s been you know affecting me for a
few weeks on having to eventually decide
to to be in the seat with TNT for the
start of Stanley Cup playoffs and uh it
sucks um I don’t know what else to say
other than uh you know I won’t be at
FDNY NYPD a place where I had such a
[ __ ] blast last year for the 49th
annual and getting to uh getting
introduced to what the game means and
and you know the celebration of of all
the the brave people and all the
sacrifices they make in order to protect
us and um and now this is the 50th
anniversary and I’m going to miss it so
I want to apologize to everybody um and
it’s going to suck but I know that the
guys who are going to be there are going
to represent us well and it’s going to
be a hell of a hockey game much like it
was last year and uh and you guys are
going to bring it home and I hope that
you’ll still be a part of the broadcast
as well you’re not going to be
completely barred from it we’re going to
we’re going to Skype you in essentially
from Atlanta we have some pregame
interviews planned we have a your your
face will be all over that broadcast
chicklets fans don’t need to worry about
that you just won’t physically be with
us on Long Island appreciate that yeah I
appreciate you making that clear and you
know uh TNT is going to make it easy to
to integrate that I’ll be doing it from
TNT studios in order to kick off the the
opening of the show and I believe that
starts at 3:45 Eastern Time on bar.com
or wherever the links will be posted
whether it’s 45 415 excuse me a 45
minute pregame so um I yeah so we’ll
figure out a way to to make it as good
as possible but once again all those who
are hoping to tune in uh I won’t be
there but uh we love you guys and
appreciate you nonetheless well said Biz
well said I know Biz some people may
dispute regular seasons one better than
the other but I think we can all agree
this is the best Wild Card race ever
that’s why we’re going to come on later
tonight like we already mentioned a lot
of high drama going on but we got to
talk about your boy Austin Matthews uh
he hit the magic number well before
number 70 he’s got two more cracks that
given us the first 70 goal season in 31
years back when Alexander Mill and
tamani each had 76 uh regardless of how
it goes out right now there are only
eight guys in the history of the NHL
have scored more in a season than Austin
Matthews Gretzky Bret Hull Lemieux mcil
Esposito Sani Ki Nichols so however it
turns out this is just one of the most
epic seasons ever for a goal scorer Biz
in the last you know 40 50 years [ __ ]
man 10 in his last eight games and he
just keeps I thought it looked like it
was over that’s what I’m saying man and
it looked like it was UN Untouchable and
then he just goes on this late season
rip and I mean that’s why man I I’m so
confused as to who the MVP is I still
think I have McKinnon out front but the
ne anytime the next game shows up the
next guy is doing something even more
magical so it’s a good problem to have
for us but what Austin Matthews has done
five on five and even strength as far as
goal scoring yet not sacrificing any
part of his defensive game and what he
does there and the numbers back that up
as well a marvelous performance and
forever in grave one of the greatest if
not the greatest Toronto Maple of all
time based on this performance guys the
greatest goal scorer who have’ ever
lived by the time it’s said and done
Obie he’s never gotten 70 before Austin
Matthews is going to [ __ ] do it this
year and he’s going to do it tonight
against the Florida Panthers I know
we’re recording this Monday but he’s
gonna [ __ ] do it if Sheldon Keef puts
him out there enough on the ice cuz
right now he said that it’s a [ __ ]
distraction he Sur did the other day
well let’s um let’s go into something
different that pertains to the chase for
70 and and yes it has been the the
craziest thing to me is he can score in
so many different ways now he’s got this
one timer off the face off kind of near
the Blue Line he’s ripping that thing
home you’ve seen a couple goals from the
corner where he slides it on the ice he
know he can go near side or five hole
he’ll Bank it in off a defenseman or the
goalie his patented in the middle quick
snapshot it’s just he is the greatest
goal score that the league has right now
and he is on Pace to somehow beat the
Gretzky record which will be the ovie
record so you can’t say enough amazing
things about him I can’t wait to see him
playing at Team USA Jersey next year at
the four nations the issue at hand for
Leafs
fans is Sheldon Keefe he’s coming out
he’s saying this is a distraction he’s
talking about this being a distraction
Biz what the hell is going on in leaf
land he’s flying around I think he wants
a redo on that one I think he might want
think well but hey you got to remember
though he’s probably being asked about
it 10 times a day for the last 75 days
no every day in your face in your face
it’s like I just don’t want to talk
about one individual on this team I want
to talk about the game at hand I want to
talk about what we’re looking forward to
and I want to worry about the Stanley
Cup playoffs in which we really know if
they don’t get out of the first round
nobody’s going to be talking about 70
goals they’re going to be talking about
which Superstar they should be shipping
out of town in order to finally figure
out the [ __ ] answer on who’s been
overpaid and how the hell do we keep
going in order to lift Lord Stanley
because they haven’t done it since
[ __ ] 67 so I understand what you’re
saying when I saw the clip I’m like oh
no like we’re at like 6869 here and
you’re saying that like it’s about to
happen like why would you why would
those words come out of your mouth but
it’s probably just this builtup
frustration of getting it asked over and
over and over and over again but I’m not
going to sit here and excuse the fact
that he needs a redo on that answer once
he breaks it in Florida on game
81 that’s it that’s all I got I got
nothing to defend Whit okay okay what
more do you want me to say you’re not
trying to defend it I thought you’d come
out with some wild and hot Biz take that
it was a good thing that they’re going
to
so I got nothing now it was just a major
malfunction on Sheldon Keef’s part
because if it’s a guy taking bad
penalties yeah that’s a distraction we
got to end this but the guy is scoring
goal after goal lifting your franchise
to new heights in the regular season
which they’re amazing at doing on their
own and all of a sudden we need this to
end I need him to stop scoring I don’t
want to talk about it anymore he’s
taking a page out of my book and farming
for engagement he was probably just
waiting for the comments to pop off he’s
like put this on your [ __ ] instag put
this on your Instagram and Twitter feeds
you
bums we’ll do we’ll do commanderin-chief
because look looking up the numbers for
the segment I mean Phyllis bazo
obviously played here 100 years ago
first play a crack 70 he had four 60
plus goal seasons in a five season spin
back in the 70s he led the NHL in goal
scoring every year from 1970 through
1975 six years in a row he led the
league in scoring one of the most
explosive sport scorers of his decade I
think the only other guy from the 70s
who appears in like the top 100 goals in
the season is Mike bossy so Phil I just
want to give a little shout out to
philis Matthews is more than likely
going to finish third in MVP voting
after getting 70 goals just tells you
where the state of the National Hockey
League is and one of them is going to
have 100 points or 100 assists excuse me
and a guy with 100 points is going to be
left off the ballot and which guy is
that witty your boy in Edmonton crazy
we’ve entered the Galaxy Zone you think
McDavid won’t be on the final three
ballot I know not if Matthews hits 70
not a chance not after a chance buddy
none of those other guys had a slow
start and MCD Conor McDavid it’s the
biggest face of the NHL and I I I do not
think he won’t be on that he won’t
people are going to think now we’re
farming for engagement I think that 75%
of hockey fans would have the ballot as
Matthews kerov and McKinnon those three
guys right
there because you can’t really make a
case to keep either of those guys off
where you can the coov getting 100
assists is is what would keep McDavid
off and and I do feel bad that I didn’t
mention when I went on that rant about
what 100 assists means to me I didn’t
mention CRA I didn’t I mean what did he
how many assists did he have in a three
game he was at like 91 and all of a
sudden boom he’s at 98 so I apologize to
Tampa Bay Tampa Bay fans I don’t think
it takes anything away I think it’s
still just so incredible that it
happened with two guys in one year but
for him to do it as well with that many
more points than McDavid I I guess that
is what would leave him off because of
because of the Matthew 70 dive into a
little bit more we bring Frank SE SE
yeah s Valley on in a few minutes but
boys there’s only only four days left in
the season right we’re still waiting on
seven series three divisions two playoff
splots and a president’s trophy going
down to the Y here but we do have one
series we know that’s going to go down
so might as well do the preview right
now Colorado versus Winnipeg the only
official playoff match up as of today uh
the Jets swept the season series three
to nothing outs good the have 17 to4 I
think it’s obviously Jets have a pretty
big advantage in the pipes Conor
hellbach probably going to win the vesda
the back out lauron bris he had an
unbelievable year gorg has been tough
lately Colorado’s been struggling a bit
they think they’ve got up 24 goals in
their last uh four losses it’s been but
if you remember Biz they similarly limed
into the 22 playoffs they one 5-1 in
their last seven games how’d that turn
out they ended up going 16 and four
winning the Stanley Cup I don’t know but
the Jets they’ve won six straight hell
again going to win the vesda biz who do
you have in the series in uh how many
games if you’re an ABS fan you better
hope to God that history repeats itself
in the backing into the playoffs and
then having that success cuz I’m a
little nervous for the Avalanche not
only based on the way that they’re
playing but also the way that Winnipeg’s
picked it up after they went on that bit
of a losing skit I was kind I think a
lot of people were starting to rate them
off by not even considering them a
contender but now they’ve rattled off
what six in a row they look incredible
all lines are firing and the one guy
they got between the pipes and that’s
the one goalie in this series that you
can trust and a guy who is used to the
type of workload that he has received by
the time the season’s over he would have
played 60 games I think that Whit you
can agree that’s kind of like if you go
back in time to when Patrick wat and bro
dur were playing 70 that’s kind of like
the new standard if you’re going to be
that number one goalie between 60 and 65
games but the one difference
in gorv having the exact same amount of
games played save percentage and goals
against and right now hu’s got a 940
save percentage and a 2.3 goals 2.38
goals against average and he’s used to
doing it and from the games I’ve s saw
as of late gorv ends up getting pulled
against them when he gets shelled and
then they throw him back in against
Vegas everything was looking good and I
like the move and trying to instill that
confidence in gorgiev after having that
tough shelling and that tough Ting well
in that third period it seems like he
imploded a little bit and wa I don’t
know if you [ __ ] have seen his body
language that’s the most concerning part
and what can happen is if you’re a
goalie and you’re not used to playing
that amount of games it might not even
be the physical element it’s the mental
element and every goal that he let in he
[ __ ] had the you know shrug in the
shoulders rolling his eyes and I don’t
know if you watched that game against
the gold nights that was on TNT but I
think the second one he should have have
and that’s when he kind of [ __ ]
really showed his true colors as far as
look like here we go again he kind of
that was like the the vibe he was given
off so that’s the concerning element and
going back to the last run I feel like
they scored their way out of trouble
where they had that secondary scoring
and they had that second line with Cadre
and if you want to talk goalies what’s
their next biggest issue listen middle
st’s been solid since he’s been here but
he ain’t the the answer for Cadre even
so much so where now they’ve bumped down
and separated the two-headed monster
with him and rat they moved him down to
the second line that tells me everything
I need to know and maybe the lack of
trust in that secondary scoring so when
going up against Winnipeg right now man
what happens if they put that third line
of lowry on on the top line of of
avalanche remember here R they got
shelled in that game that they were
playing for home ICE [ __ ] now they
got to travel to Winnipeg one of the
toughest barns to play in with the white
out and if that if that third line from
Winnipeg in in which they’ve been doing
it all year theyve shutting down teams
like crazy if they end up sicking that
line on that Top Line of McKinnon and
whoever at this point I would imagine if
they’re if they want to get the max out
of the offense they got to put ranton
back up there but if they go neutral and
sustain that offense buddy look out
because those other two lines that
Winnipeg got the one and two lines they
could dummy guys well Biz that was that
was that was impressive and you left out
even a couple things in that 3 and 0
this year Winnipeg is against Colorado o
scoring him 17 to4 in those three games
they dusted him 7 nothing 62 4-2 early
in the
year here’s the thing is Colorado off
the rush is out of control they are a
team that scores off the rush they
create momentum off the rush they have
ma they have Taves they have McKinnon
they have ronon if they’re able to get
going off the rush they’re going to win
this series but if somehow it turns into
a cycle game and it turns into a
defensive battle I would not be
surprised at all if Winnipeg won I think
it’s going seven games no matter what I
think Winnipeg having that home home ICE
Advantage is huge because that crowd is
going to be electric we got the white
out we got the crazy Canadian fans who
their fandom has been called out this
year people have been saying where are
the Jets fans well you’ll see them now
you’ll see them next week or even this
week maybe later this week and they have
the ability with that third line okay so
right now neita rer has been hurt but he
should be ready to go so it’s neita ryer
Lowry and then Appleton and Buddy if
they shut you down that gives those top
two lines valard has been incredible all
right so valard um uh Kyle Connor and
Schley that’s a true number one line T
Foley’s made a huge impact Monahan’s
made a huge impact that deadline that
they had even though Monahan was a
little bit before those were the things
they needed to address Monahan made that
power play much better the power play
still and the Special Teams that’s a big
time win for Colorado I think Colorado’s
six six PP and maybe 12th PK Winnipeg’s
in the 20s in both so a special teams
game that really is going to help out
the Avalanche my reason for picking
Colorado is because of the star power
and I don’t see the season that
McKinnon’s had him bowing out in the
first round especially with what
happened last year they lose game seven
on home ICE to Seattle and then he comes
back with this effort this regular
season along with ma they that’s two
players that Winnipeg cannot match up
with no matter what happens the only
chance they have is if huk plays the way
he has been then I won’t be surprised so
me saying they have no chance it’s crazy
considering I’m picking game seven which
would be in Winnipeg but maybe that’ll
help uh Colorado not being at home
because game seven last year at home it
didn’t go well this is a different team
but that second line Center role you’re
talking about the crazy thing and the
best thing about kajri was how [ __ ]
nuts he is that’s playoff that’s that’s
that’s toughness that’s being a prick
that’s how you win in the playoffs I
think middlestead has amazing skill we
haven’t seen if he has any idea what’s
going on in the playoffs and he could
prove us all um he could make us all
look stupid considering we’re we’re
doubting him as a playoff type player
when he hasn’t even had the chance to
ever play in it but we knew krid be
sticking guys behind the play he’d be
elbowing guys after the whistle he’d be
causing a rck which is what you need to
do in the playoffs and Colorado really
hasn’t found it since I think it’s going
to be a great series um defensive side
of the game Colorado has has a major uh
Advantage I’d say there up and down the
lineup Gerard should be back he’s been
out but you got Manson you got Gerard
you like I said Taves and marar Shawn
Walker Shawn Walker can skate he can
move the puck so the top six in Colorado
a lot better than the top six in
Winnipeg but I think 1 to 12 on the
forward side I think Winnipeg’s got
better up front they don’t have the
superstars you banged it with the
superstardom but front to back man I
trust the bottom six in in in Winnipeg
way more Peretti’s been a healthy
scratch and to the point where like I
said at home if they’re able to match up
that third line against the top line and
neutralize it that to me might be the
difference in the series like let’s go
back to the regular series here look at
the home record for the Colorado
Avalanche 39 and when one so impressive
on the road 19 16 and six these guys
haven’t been that great on the road and
I think that the performance from
McKinnon and everybody talking about the
point streak at home has really taken a
lot of focus off of how they played on
the road but that’s got to be a major
concern and the goal tending position is
so valuable come playoff time with I got
Winnipeg winning this series in seven
games and ruining an MVP season for
Nathan McKennon wow what you got with
and I got Colorado in seven because of
marar and mckin
um if if if Winnipeg wins this series
we’re going to continue to be talking
about huk it’ll be like wow everything
he did in the regular season LED right
into playoffs and they got goaled you
know NCAA hockey is so different it’s
one game but you see what a hot goalie
can do and heluk is the guy in the
entire league right now that can carry a
team to win a few rounds and with the
depth up front and the way they’ve
turned it on late Winnipeg is going to
make this a hell of a series I can’t
wait wait to watch this series but I
just think the star power and what
happened last year puts Colorado over
the top um what was the other thing I
had to mention about this I was going to
say David car already mentioned earlier
in this podcast sometimes losing can
help you learn and going back to last
year and how bonus had those comments
for their team after the playoffs saying
how they laid over and died I could tell
you one thing if they don’t win the
series it’s going to be a way [ __ ]
better effort because they got bounced
in five and they [ __ ] roll overed and
died and you won’t see that this year
from this group so it’s going to be a
[ __ ] great series a great matchup a
little disappointing how we talk about
the two and three matchup and how it’s
going to take one good team out of it
this is going to be the case and I got
Winnipeg and seven and and and on on
Winnipeg’s defensive side I know I I
kind of dogged their d a little bit but
that bottom pairing of Logan Stanley and
Dylan samur they’re enormous they’re
monsters so granted they don’t have the
best feat but dude if that’s what I’m
saying if this is a rush series and
Colorado is scoring off the rush they’re
going to win if this turns into grind
them out and cycle hockey yeah if
Winnipeg wins I wouldn’t be surprised
and the Vegas line being um Colorado’s
minus 130 that shows you like they know
Vegas knows this is going to be I think
a seven game series with what I hope to
be a classic game seven in Winnipeg but
I got Colorado I got Colorado all right
yeah I think it’s going to be way closer
than the season series the Jets they got
know 12 forwards to digit goal scorers
and you know one defenseman in marsy
obviously uh Colorado got the explosives
this with McKinnon ran in but like going
to what you said Biz the goal tender man
Hal just been Lights Out All Season
probably going to win the vzna and what
we’ve seen out of Georg of lately just
hasn’t been that impressive I got win a
Peg and six myself wow be surprised on
the road in Colorado yeah I I just after
what you mentioned after what happened
last year people thought this team was
dead in the water then they resigned
those two guys bonus got everybody refi
up they you know Chang the cap SE did
all that stuff I feel like they were
completely different team and yeah I
think Winnipeg is going to advance and
it’s funny go back to that 20 I’m sorry
2018 team that went to the Western
Conference Finals there’s only six guys
remaining from that team that was only
six years ago so yeah long time in the
NHL Pro Sports it is but you know it’s
indicative that you know I mean those
guys are still there they know that they
had that taste I guess a few years ago
but G what do you have in this series
buddy uh I got abs and six uh I I hate
going last because you guys I’m I’m so
easily convinced you’re tell I’m
listening to Biz I’m like I’m going to
go win peg I’m listening to Wi I’m I’m
like oh I’m going to go Colorado but
originally I had abs and six I think
McKinnon’s playing the best hockey of
his career he’s a man on the mission
Winnipeg’s got the better goalie but I
think Colorado’s top six in defenseman
are just over Mass anything else
Winnipeg has so I got abs and six on
home
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slinder all right uh I don’t know if
this is a chicklet bump but did you see
they’re going to do a staggered schedule
for for Playoff starts Biz this year
everybody Under the Sun has been asking
asking for staggered starts but sure did
are they just doing like 7 720 74 like
is it just 20 minutes 15 minutes or even
even more it was like one one game will
start at 7 then one at 7:30 in other
words they’re not starting at least in
the first round games at the same time
which is you know which is all we ask
for you know we don’t we don’t want all
games going to the break at the same
time that doesn’t help anybody forget
forget if they both go into overtime at
the same time I just love it
intermission throwing on the other one
it’s more about not having to take a
break and sorry Biz I know you’re the
intermission report guy but I’m I’m you
know you’re just you’re just flipping
around game to game you don’t have to
have that 15 17 minute wait CH channel
was
on I’d be changing the channel if I was
on television
too uh also we’re going to have a new
playoff schedule gee why don’t you let
the folks know what our playoff schedule
is going forward here buddy yeah awesome
awesome playoff schedule idea this year
uh we have we’ll have new shows on
Monday Wednesday and then Game notes
will be on Friday uh here’s the kicker
uh Wednesday will be recorded live at
noon so it’s going to be a live show
just like the unnamed show just like
Game notes is where that there there’ll
be a chat will’ll be interactive and
it’s it’s something we haven’t done
before but we think it’ll be a nice
touch and Monday Wednesday Friday for
the first couple rounds of the playoffs
what’s better than that we’ll also mix
in some live streams like we’ve done in
the past where we’re all remote we’re
bringing in celebrities and guests and
all that so we’re excited for the
playoffs Monday Wednesday Friday mixing
some streams you got biz on TNT every
night you can’t beat it and for everyone
who’s who who could be just panicking
for a minute um that Wednesday live show
will be up as a podcast pretty quick so
Sunday Sunday night we’re going to be
recording late um we’ll have that ready
for you Monday morning Wednesday noon
Eastern 10:00 um in Edmonton 9:00 out in
LA and then you can if you can’t watch
live boom pod’s going to be up right
away so you just won’t have it Wednesday
morning but I think us being live will
be pretty cool and then Friday Game
notes so good descrip so the viewing the
viewing experience on the Wednesday on
the YouTube uh can they get in the chat
much like Game notes is that going to be
a thing as well so that that’s not
really something we’ve given enough
access to from our fan base perspective
sometimes we do them during the live
streams but this will be a new type of
Engagement so if you are around and you
can experience the live viewing you can
get involved sing is going to be leading
the charge there singy leans The Game
notes chat he’s going to be leading the
Chicklets chat so chicklets live every
Wednesday at noon I think it’s going to
be an awesome touch we’ll have some
surprise guests we’ll have some actual
guests it’s going to be uh it’s going to
be fun we want to hear from you guys I
think it’s good to get the the people in
the chat good ideas good topics picks
everything absolutely man I can’t wait
uh boys obviously there’s other huge
news this week uh your coyotes bus are
going uh 660 Mi North to Utah uh we
brought on the great journalist Frank s
valy to dig into this so boys should we
send it over to Frankie right about now
yeah before we do I just say like we do
talk about it in the midst of the
interview like I’m just thinking of all
the amazing people that I got to work
with um not only on the hockey side but
then transitioning into media um I I was
blessed to play and and work with the
Arizona Coyotes organization and um it’s
a shame uh with you know some people are
going to end up losing their job and uh
you know it’s um you know it’s uh it’s a
special place in my heart I’m thinking
of all of you right now and not only
just the people and and potentially
losing their jobs like the the
communities that they’ve built and all
the the Grassroots programs as well and
I mean you could talk to a Austin
Matthews and Matthew n like you know are
these guys even in the NHL if if the
hockey hadn’t been to the desert so and
and as far as Matthew’s concerned he’s
one of the best players on the planet
right so
hockey belongs in the desert um they
haven’t been able to figure it out yet
but I know that it’s going to be back
with great ownership at some point and I
look forward to that day and I look
forward to seeing all the amazing fans
that supported this team through some of
the most tumultuous times and regardless
of of whether where we were at they kept
showing up to games and supporting us um
you guys will deserve to get your hockey
team back with solid ownership and and a
winning team so I love you guys thinking
about you and uh thank you for
everything that you guys ever provided
to my life I’m not where I am if it’s
not for the the Phoenix and Arizona
Coyotes so I love you guys well said Biz
now now we’re going to send the little
bit of
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this Intrepid reporter who stays on top
of everything in the NHL over at
dailyfaceoff.com and he’s going to help
us way through this crazy coyotes to
Utah story that’s left head spinning all
over the league thanks a bunch for
joining us on the spit and chicklets
podcast Frank Sarah valy what’s up H how
you been good to be back with you guys
what’s going on always a pleasure oh you
know KY deserve you know bus’s team just
falling apart at the seams yeah Biz
living in a non- NHL Market yeah yeah
the only team that would have gave my
ass a chance and I love them to death
for it uh they’re leaving town buddy so
we need the the whole story you’ve been
you’ve been following this right from
the beginning and you’ve been very open
and honest about it and and quite
frankly called out maybe some of the
lies and [ __ ] that’s been been
spewed from like I don’t want to say
mainstream media but just maybe the the
other side yeah I mean look it’s a an
emotional topic first off and there’s
also been two decades worth of History
to point to and say the NHL has been
steadfast in its belief and um value of
importance that it’s placed on having a
team in Arizona so a lot of people you
know go back to the bankruptcy court uh
all that stuff that happened 15 years
ago people still had PTSD from that and
so people were saying Wake Me Up When
something actually happens and for the
last six to eight weeks I’ve sort of
been saying as loud as I can hey
something’s happening here you should
pay attention and you know I got smashed
by Coyotes fans and that’s okay um I
understand you know the spot that
they’re in they don’t want to lose their
team I feel bad for them I mean you
consider the spot that that that that
fan base has been in multiple owners not
a lot to root for in terms of success on
the ice and no permanent Arena I mean
this has been dangling over that fan
base for a long time and you know hate
to be the bearer of bad news it’s just
things are happening behind the scenes I
was under the impression when they lost
the original bid uh tempy correct yeah
that was when to me it it was like I
think this is dead but through their
ways of kind of getting their messages
out the way they did it which I think a
lot of people felt kind of
unprofessional professional it seemed
like it was completely alive again was
that all smoking mirrors or did they
actually believe you think deep down
that it was going to work out just at
the next land auction they were heading
to no I think they believed it was going
to work out and I think more than that
um they were ready to do it here’s the
thing they still actually and when I say
they I mean Alex marello they he
believes that he can get this done which
is why he’s going to continue to you
know try and have some skin in the game
here and he has a five-year option to
essentially quote unquote reactivate the
franchise which would technically be
through
expansion and he’s retaining the
trademarks logo all that stuff so that
if he can get an Arena built which some
would still be betting against him doing
and I think is a lot more difficult to
do without an ironclad franchise
agreement he still believes that that’s
the case so I mean you’ve seen
statements you’ve seen the videos you’ve
seen the tweets they’ve been all over
this saying Arizona forever I know
that’s music to biz’s ears but um I’m a
personal believer in the market I know
hockey can work there they just haven’t
had the right setup for two decades now
and when that happens when you’re in the
wrong arena in Glendale when you are H
you have the wrong owner signing his
name to checks
um that becomes really difficult when
you say that are you basing on the fact
that it’s going to be maybe hard for
these guys to get it done based on the
relationships that they’ve established
or lack thereof since they’ve been in
Arizona like you just made a comment
like if they’re signing the checks them
specifically is that what you meant yeah
I think more so just in terms of put
yourself you guys with all your
different Ventures you guys are
businessmen you understand this when I
say it it’s really hard to dig in your
pocket and spend more than a billion
dollars which is what it’s going to cost
to develop that land build the
Entertainment District do all of that
with a guarantee that some would say
depending on the legal language that
comes out of this week could be flimsy
would you spend a billion dollars if you
had a 75% chance of getting an NHL team
or would you want it to be 100% so the
NHL is going to put in terms and
conditions here and thresholds that Alex
marello is going to have to hit over the
next five years you’ve got to build the
arena this this and this need to be in
place you’ve got to play nice all those
things that all needs to line up
perfectly for him to get a team back in
Arizona and if not I don’t have any
doubt that at one point in the near
future there will be an NHL franchise in
Arizona it’s a question of when and it’s
a question of who’s going to own it
Frank is there a part of the league that
trying to run out the clock maybe like
they got to give him the five years but
maybe secretly the whole hoping it just
doesn’t pan out and somebody else pops
up to maybe be a new owner there I think
that’s a fair question because a lot of
people have been asking including
coyotes fans who have you know they’re
pulling their hair out with these last
couple weeks and how it’s unfolded they
feel like they’ve had the wool pulled
over their eyes the question has been if
the NHL has worked so hard to get out
from under this guy why would they then
in a five-year period of time jump back
in bed with him and I I don’t know the
answer my guess would be that this was a
match ation in order to make this you
know happen that they had to without a
firm concrete date that that new Arena
would be open they had to make some
difficult choices and decisions and they
probably had to pay Alex marello a
billion dollars which is more than they
probably wanted to in order to make this
happen so what happens from here uh
there’s going to be a ton of negative
press there’s going to be a ton of
negative energy that exists in that
market with anything that Alex Marell is
connected to that’s just my guess and
opinion based on how things have
unfolded to this point and then we’ll
see can he make it happen in a fiveyear
period of time and what happens if the
clock runs out so we we had Craig Morgan
on from go pnx and it’s it seemed to be
that he was almost kind of a mouthpiece
and I hate to kind of say that but he
had come on our show and said all these
things and about 24 hours later they
were all proved to be kind of not true
and and I know that your your daily face
off and you and Gregor show has become
very very well respected because you
guys are opinionated and you deal with
with kind of that the blowback the whole
time you were reporting out there that
was one of the outlets that was kind of
coming at you so you’re sitting there
saying listen I’m getting info I trust
I’m sorry to tell you but it goes
completely against what you’re hearing
pretty much I mean that’s the basis of
their
look I I would never disparage Craig or
uh phnx I think those guys have invested
a ton uh Craig is a great guy that
obviously works hard in what he does and
and has become a trusted voice for
coyotes fans for the you know the last
while that he’s uh been on the beat and
so you know we just sometimes you get
different information than someone else
and people kind of present it on social
media as almost like hey uh this guy’s
going at this guy and it’s it’s not
really the case at all it’s just he’s
getting his information from one side
I’m getting it from another you try and
take those two things and smash it
together so that you have the most
complete picture of information but this
has been a really difficult story
because at the same exact time the NHL
is trying to keep this quiet they’re
trying to keep the information inhouse
because their biggest thing is getting
this over the finish line and at times
Alex marello has been combative when
when Gary bman first went to him six
weeks ago and presented this
conversation he I believe and sources
indicated he was told no that he’s not
going to sell the franchise he’s not
going to give in and I think it took
another separate visit by the
commissioner and Bill Daly to then you
know step up and say really what like
what’s it going to take for us to make
something happen we need to have this
franchise moving in the right direction
and you know it’s it’s been a challenge
language wise legally financially
there’s been a lot of different facets
and layers to this that’s made it a
complicated story he woke up with a
coyote’s head in his bed
[Laughter]
Biz or Hower [ __ ] carum Howers yeah um
so obviously they had been working
behind the scenes and I I felt like they
were at least going to get to J so
things were kind of uh speeding up does
it have a lot to do with maybe the the
players and the Agents calling saying
like what the [ __ ] is going on here and
like this is just not realistic long
term like is that what finally sped it
up or was it more be from a financial
perspective from the league like
obviously Money Talks I don’t even know
if it was necessarily Financial I think
the biggest thing was a concrete firm
answer of when can you guarantee me that
we will have shovels and steel in the
ground on a new Arena I mean it’s one
thing to win the June 27th land auction
which they still may do but there’s
infrastructure issues there are
potential legal roadblocks what if the
Scottdale mayor for instance who came
out barking against this you know last
week what happens if he wants to you
know sue the coyotes or sue the Arizona
state land trust what happens if some
public interest group comes out of the
woodwork against this it all slows it
down and so the coyotes the NHL needed a
firm answer hey we are building on X
date and there was even if everything
went perfectly there were no hiccups no
issues the funding is all there the land
auction is one we’re looking at an
October 2027 puck drop in a new Arena
that’s a long way off and a bunch more
years to add into uh mullet Arena which
is a great atmosphere if you’re there
but from a league Revenue generation
standpoint it’s it’s not
it’s not working one of the things
though I will say you mentioned the
players that I found really interesting
in some of the reporting and perhaps
maybe again we’re just talking to
different people but I’ve seen various
reports that say that coyotes players
are disappointed to be leaving Arizona I
I think maybe the Sun and and what a
beautiful place to live maybe that’s
part of it but I I can just tell you I
talked to one player over the weekend
who pushed back against that notion spe
specifically and said who in the right
mind is is sad to leave we’ve got the
worst plane we’ve got the worst hotels
the worst Food our staff has the worst
budget we can’t get anything done that
we want to we feel like we’re playing in
a league other than the the NHL how do
we find a way to you know just have
different Vibes different energy
different everything and I think Ryan
Smith in Salt Lake City is going to
answer all those questions yeah so I’ve
heard Ryan Smith’s already reached out
and like taken care of people like just
first class um that’s the other side and
you know I’ve never I’ve never had any
personal issues myself and I said this
on the last podcast with the millos like
they’ve always been kind to me but I’ve
also always been able to provide them
something so I can’t speak to to some
other PE people it better be keeping you
happy well but but in the same breath I
hear stories like Hotel bills aren’t
being paid like people are being asked
for to to have their salaries cut by a
certain portion but meanwhile they’re
getting a a check stroke to the for
what5 $600 million profit so H how much
do you believe in all these stories that
you’ve heard behind the scenes has to do
with that they probably won’t be able to
get something done based on these
relationships that I mentioned earlier
like a lot of people don’t have positive
experiences with them what are some
stories that you’ve heard like the hotel
thing is that true like did you hear
about that I believe it to be true yes
uh multiple sources indicated that at
some point this season the coyotes had
not paid Hotel bills from their stays on
the road and look it’s I always say the
NHL is the world’s smallest 6 billion
dollar industry everyone knows everyone
and that includes there’s only a certain
number of hotels that team stay in
around the league they all talk to each
other and when you don’t pay your bills
my understanding is what they ended up
doing is baning together and saying hey
if you want to stay with us in the
future fine no issues but you’re going
to have to present a check on on checkin
basically to pay your bill in full
before you even get access to the rooms
because we’re not going to chase you for
the money after the fact whether it
takes six months a year whatever kind of
discount the coyotes wanted to self
apply to some of their bills which Katie
Strang from the athletic had reported
earlier you know you get a bill in the
mail and all of a sudden they cross out
the number and and pay you 20% less I
mean getting 80% of what the cost of
something was like that’s not an
appropriate way to do business and I I’m
told that the league had stepped in
regarding this hotel issue um at some
point this season and said hey nip this
in the bud get you know make sure you
you pay all your bills well there you go
and there was a lot of people that were
having to constantly like put these
fires out who have worked for the team
and like people that I love and Trust
slowly they’re they’re leaving and and
then the ones that are even still there
maybe aren’t being taken care of the way
that they should be and it’s like from
an emotional aspect it’s like what the
[ __ ] is going on here and the more you
dig into it like you’ve been saying it’s
like it seems to be the case where a lot
of places around town are experiencing
exactly what those hotels were it just
was just wasn’t what the hotels so this
reputation is ultimately going to lead
to this not getting done by this
ownership group in town because who the
[ __ ] would trust them if all these
things that are being said to you to me
to other people like people like you
said were they’re talking so how not to
mention not to mention biz and Frank
like it EV every single step along the
way they just like fell over their own
feet it’s like look at the Twitter
account it it’s it’s just so
unprofessional on so many different
levels where you can’t just look at one
thing that was a minor screw up it’s
like every asset and of every facet of
the of the entire team you’re like what
are you doing so at some point I I
totally see what a player told you like
I just don’t feel like I’m in the NHL
I’ve worked my whole life I’m here it
doesn’t feel like what everyone around
the leagues telling me that they
experience and it’s it’s unbelievable at
times to even watch some of the things
happen that happened just something as
simple as the statement that they sent
out over the weekend in all caps that
suddenly became a meme going around the
NHL they left the cursor up on the
statement on the screenshot like people
I I saw one you know someone had you
know crossed all that stuff out and and
wrote a hilarious you know uh parody of
the state
and I sent it to some people just you
know for fun around the league and they
didn’t even think it was that it was it
was a joke but they replied back dude
you’re missing the
cursor so I mean just something as
simple as as sending out a statement and
and I think maybe the most disappointing
you know some of the stories I bet are
Tall Tales at times and I bet some of it
is [ __ ] but when you have enough
things pile up and I think maybe the
most disappointing thing is that as this
is going on and you know I’m out here
breaking the news that this is happening
and players on the team are calling me
last week they’re all sitting around
watching Twitter and they want to know
what’s
happening step up and you know be honest
be be a steward for these players for
this team and just have an honest
conversation like I don’t I’m not going
to give them props but Bill Armstrong
flying from Arizona to Edmonton to dress
the team right fine but guess what this
isn’t Bill Armstrong’s mess yeah exactly
he’s done he’s done as good as he could
do I think he’s being kept in the dark I
believe as much as anyone else
throughout this process that he doesn’t
have any inside info but guess what his
players are twisting in the wind his
coach is out here trying to defend them
they go out last week and have two
massive wins against playoff bound teams
in western Canada and meanwhile everyone
else is like hey what’s happening here
and this guy’s about to pocket a couple
hundred million bucks off of Just
absolute incompetent ownership and and
it’s that that’s a great that’s a great
way to put it and I just feel so bad for
the fans and B has mentioned that
because the fan base gets get [ __ ] on a
little bit but there are DieHard hockey
fans out there who’ve been with the team
a long time and the hardest thing is
they’re they’re they’re looking as good
in the future as they ever have right
now so it’s like oh my God we’re we’re
finally kind of seeing you know all
these future studs coming up and we’re
out of town that’s like the biggest kick
in the dick for him but I had originally
heard and correct me if I’m wrong that
Ryan Smith actually wanted an expansion
team opposed to getting the coyotes
where I was I was thinking like why
wouldn’t you want this team they they’ve
drafted well they got some guys coming
so that’s what it’s going to end up
being do you think he kind of switched
his opinion on it when he looked into
the to the actual hockey side and and
kind of who was coming up within this
organization I can’t begin to know what
his thinking is my guess is that based
on his statement and how he stated you
know back in February or January that he
was ready for an NHL team now that look
if someone’s giving you a seat at the
table you take it no matter what however
it’s offered to you and so that’s
probably a big part of it but I couldn’t
agree with you more I think this
team it’s way better to get the coyotes
with weight the way they’ve built than
to get an expansion team and have to
start from scratch because all of the
things that Arizona’s already assembled
[ __ ] Gunther the picks the the
prospects that are playing in Tucson
like all of that stuff you know
transferring over is is such a leg up
plus you have the same benefit of being
an expansion team and having all of the
cap flexibility that you could possibly
want that I think it’s a grand slam
Upper Deck home run to get the coyotes
as opposed to going out and and trying
to start over and the other thing is
they’re going to do it the right way
you’re going to Rebrand you’re going to
have a new image new logo new team name
and I think all that’s important not
just because that identity stays in the
desert but there’s been such a toxic
link there’s that team has been kicked
time time after time um and that’s gone
you can sort of wipe the slate and start
clean now it’s not going to be the Utah
coyotes it’s going to be Utah whatever
and I think that’s important too the
soers the Salt Lake City soers I think
Army’s on that one I love that I think
he wants a little percentage of Jersey
sales
too we could get a little uh we could
get a a pink Whitney uh uh I don’t even
know pink Whitney out there oh yeah yeah
we’re gonna have to make it uh malt yeah
non alcoholic pink Whitney Frank where’s
the nhlpa on this I I don’t know if
they’ve made a statement what what’s
your your take on where they stand on it
obviously they they were being igned a
certain point weren’t they like they
were just trying to get answers been
completely blocked out of the process um
I don’t think the coyotes were too happy
with Marty Walsh and what he said at the
All-Star break and and frankly going
back to that All-Star break if everyone
wants to try and unravel this thread of
how we got to this point that to me is
the answer because Gary
bman as many press conferences as I’ve
seen as many conversations as I had with
him I’ve never seen him stumble and I’ve
never seen him pause when asked about
the health of a franchise like he did at
that press conference he was not
definitive he didn’t seem to express
much faith in in Arizona’s ownership and
it was at that exact moment in time that
I thought to myself this team’s in big
trouble in the desert because the second
that happens publicly you know that
things are being said behind theen that
are way worse than that and I think that
trust had eroded to the point where they
felt like they had to step up and do
something [ __ ] that’s got to be a hard
job eh that Gary having to [ __ ] deal
with all that [ __ ] behind the scenes and
then like deliver it on air like that
when getting grilled by all the the
interviews that’s a tough gig I’ll tell
you what though this is a I truly
believe this a winwin win oh for sure
it’s a win for the league to get a
franchise in the hands of Ryan Smith
it’s it’s a win for the league to get
into a new market that of the
413 metropolitan areas in the US Salt
Lake City is the fourth fastest growing
it’s a win for Alex MLL because we just
talked about the money that he’s getting
I believe he bought the team for 300
million bucks and to fall into yeah
there’s cash calls there he’s been
writing big checks there’s been a Debt
Service there’s been a lot of things
that he’s carried but he’s definitely
walking away with cash after this is all
said done in five years of ownership and
I also believe that this is a win for
coyotes fans I know that’s going to
sound bat [ __ ] crazy when I say it but
my guarantee is that when the NHL comes
back which you know it
will that franchise is going to be
playing in a gleaming Palace and they’re
gonna have proper ownership one way or
the other and when that happens you’re
gonna watch that team take off like a
rocket ship and I’m from the outside but
I just I cannot see that happening with
Mel I I can’t I I I just how is how is
somebody going to change that much
within a 5year span in terms of like
you’re all right let’s go we’re coming
on back and we got the same guy running
the show so I hope it happens and I hope
it’s somebody else there to really kind
of bring that franchise forward because
that would make more sense to me feel
like I have a better chance getting down
to my high school weight in five years
than that but we’ll see um a little off
topic unless Biz you had you had
something else with I when I said tough
gig for for Gary I wasn’t like chirping
I I thought he did an excellent job of
presenting them an offer where they
could basically get them out of the
[ __ ] way I don’t think it ever uh
comes to Evolution with the Melos and
then once that five years up they’ll
find a proper owner that’s going to be
like a Ryan Smith or the way that some
of these other teams are ran where it’s
first class it’s about the people it’s
about the [ __ ] people and all the
people that were there who like even
during tumultuous times were still
[ __ ] grinding it out and doing an
unbelievable job for all that period of
time and then for it to end like this
when they probably thought this was
maybe at the beginning their best
opportunity of actually at working it
comes to this that’s who I feel terrible
for I’ve been texed with Tyson Nash and
all the other members of the team like
and when during the whole process like I
wasn’t really digging because I didn’t
want to be the guy to keep asking them
all this information I was just hoping
it worked out and since reaching out
it’s just very disappointing to hear
that the way that it that everybody was
being treated in the way that it was
going about it it’s it’s gross it sucks
and it’s people that I love and care
about because I’m forever grateful at
the fact that I even got to play in the
league like I I you know the league owes
me nothing like the fact that I got to
play five and a half years I’m so
blessed and to get to experience there
with all those amazing people like to
see them being treated like this it
doesn’t sit well with me but thank you
like you’ve came on and head it out of
the park with all the stuff that like
you you’ve been covering this since the
beginning and you’ve nailed it yeah and
look I I’m not there’s no credit um I I
honestly there are times when you have a
story like this there’s no part of you
that feels good about reporting what
you’re doing but I think people at the
same time also deserve to know what’s
happening behind the scenes and so much
as I can get my hands on it and get the
truth that’s what I’m going to do and by
the way just one little quick side note
you mentioned uh someone else like Ryan
Smith at some point I again I don’t know
how this is all going to play out I
don’t have a crystal ball but keep an
eye on Phoenix Suns owner Matt ishbia I
wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some
kind of opportunity at some point with
the Suns eventually needing a new Arena
that there’s some kind of joint venture
that happens in the future wow the last
the last thing I’ll say on it is at the
beginning of players first finding out
they were traded on Twitter players were
like what the [ __ ] and it’s moved on to
where you you understand that’s just how
you’re going to find out but I don’t
think anyone ever pictured finding out a
team was going to be moving on Twitter
right like that’s one thing you’d be
like oh we might be told that prior so
it just seems the technology and and the
change and how how often things get out
has changed that much but in changing
subjects for you about 10 games into the
season I said this 30 games into the
season 50 into this season the Flyers
are finally going to fall apart I said
this is going to end and I was wrong for
so long do you think it ended up falling
apart because of the roster or do you
think when torz scratched cerer and kind
of the rest of the noise that was around
off the ice do you think that led more
to the collapse at the end here I think
it was a bunch of those things at once I
think they had a depleted blue line with
injuries that then traded Shawn
Walker and I do think the success and
run that they had been on Carter Hart
gone uh you know Sam ersen was asked to
carry the ball for a long time that was
a heavy load for him that hurt and then
I’ll be honest like I I thought that in
talking to players on that team that
they were really frustrated with what
happened to you know to Sean
couturier related to John Torell in the
healthy scratch it’s it it’s more than
coincidence to me that this team that
always found big ways to bounce back all
year never had an extended downturn like
that until something like that happened
and look the coach is well within his
right to do that um and he Sean cier
probably would be the first to tell you
that he needed to play better but at the
same time with all those other things
that happened with Couer missing you
know a long time almost two calendar
years all that added up and I just felt
like watching that team closely could
Shan couturier have played better the
answer is yes could JN torella have
picked another player on that roster
that he had to pull out of the lineup
the answer is also yes so he didn’t he
decided to make the big statement and it
wasn’t so much just that but how about a
game against the Islanders a couple
weeks ago where they score with nine
seconds left or whatever and after the
game he calls his team soft like they
didn’t quit the entire game and he says
they’re soft like I just think it’s one
thing after the other after the other
that just absolutely grinds you down was
Tor part of the crew who named him
captain or would that just have been
Brier and Jonesy well he’s he’s kind of
part of the management group that’s what
I’m wondering yeah so like I’d say on
the short list of coaches that have like
serious power and control in the NHL it
is Rod bremore Mike
Sullivan John torella Coupe maybe coup
but I don’t know Julian breezat doesn’t
strike me as he strikes me as pretty
headstrong he seems pretty cut I I think
that’s it’s a real he seems like an
assassin to be honest like when I see
him like I shake his hand I’m like oh my
God I feel like this guy could kill me
yeah I’ve got scary [ __ ] mhm so
I would say John torella is in that
group and I was told at the time that it
was actually his idea he was the one who
came to them and said you know what I
think it’s time maybe that’s true maybe
later that’s what I was told scratched
him a month later 34 days yeah I felt
like at the end he kind of got in his
own way and rode the horses a little too
hard where it was like he was like
wouldn’t answer who the what you say
with he wouldn’t answer who the the
goalie was and then all of a sudden he
was like apologizing the media the next
day it felt like every day there was a
torz clip coming out that’s why I said
this has been the most entertaining
regular season like this guy’s been a
[ __ ] standup comedian the entire time
that’s not why well that’s part I’m
saying that’s a little sprinkle on top
yeah that’s fair and look he is
tremendously entertaining and you do get
a ton of insightful answers but I agree
with you and I think your assessment is
bang on that he is his Own Worst Enemy
who’s your MVP that’s been the probably
the biggest topic going right now man
you’re not going to like this answer
based on your tweets I I think right now
I’m leaning towards Nikita COV okay wow
okay yeah the gap between coov and the
rest of his teammates is so significant
every time Nathan McKinnon has done
something ridiculous COV answers with a
three or fourpoint game well wait a
minute McKinnon’s on the west coast so
McKinnon’s the one answering time out
here
maybe not I mean you do realize that
they don’t always play the same day I
know I’m just [ __ ] with you what’s
next are you gonna tell me that the
Earth is flat
ask what’s pami oh [ __ ] oh so so like
what other factors do you have other
than that Gap right so I think the Gap
was used kind of the year that uh Hy won
it when he was with New Jersey right
like what other factors do you feel like
weigh into like some people would say ah
bit of a power play Merchant although we
had a pretty uh we had one of his
teammates reach out to win he can say
stammer does care stammer wrote me a
message he goes [ __ ] show biz this
like I think uh what they have 30 more
power plays with the Avalanche than they
have for Tampa Bay so he’s saying
they’re getting more power play so he’s
getting more opportunities where cooch
is coming more in the clutch on the
power play some people would use empty
net points against them yep he’s
actually set a record I believe in the
salary cap era for empty net points um
there’s a million ways you could pick
this apart one of the big things that
I’ve been leaning on is point production
against the best teams in the league so
against the top 10 teams in the league
COV is averaging over two points a game
wow the numbers for McKinnon and
obviously panon and McDavid and these
other guys they’re all
healthy but a some more of their point
production meaning averaging more than
two points a game is coming against
teams 24 to 2 in the bottom feeder
Merchants we’re going to call them I
guess I mean you’re calling McKinnon a
bottom feeder Merchant no that’s not
what I’m saying what I’m saying is quote
it hold on what I’m saying is that it’s
you can make up whatever you want to
support or you know diss someone’s case
and it’s going to come down to each
individual voter to find and place the
importance where they want I will say
one thing about McDavid is f or excuse
me McKinnon is
fascinating myself included I’m so drawn
to the way that he plays oh yeah the
style of just basically bullying
everyone in the league over but I feel
like because he does that and kucherov
does it in an obviously way different
way that people want to just anoint
McKinnon because of that do he gets
extra style points well I mean he is he
is like points Russian and McKinnon
being Canadian matters too 100% it
matters and there’s some I think
[ __ ] narrative that existed even
before the season started and I hate
that any media member even says it like
oh it’s just Nate’s turn that’s not how
it works that’s kind of how that’s how
to be fair to be fair that’s why I
declined the vote you asked me if I
wanted to vote I said no I said I don’t
I don’t trust myself I do it too much
too much based on emotion where I just
saw you said no cuz you were minus 10 in
the balls
open Hees want to get he doesn’t want to
get the hate from the other fan bases he
can’t stand the he dud listen hey I
don’t take myself that seriously I think
wit’s more the high intellect of the
podcast so he can do I’m a real I’m a
real Road scholar well you went to
University I went to [ __ ]
Davenport I was doing it in a [ __ ]
Port we both have the same degree which
isn’t one we all know it’s ra that’s the
men of member here oh yeah abely Genius
Frank I I do want to go back to the
coyot I just want to quickly go just can
I hop in all right but also you have to
factor in McKinnon plays center so
there’s more responsibility defensively
so like there’s other factors than just
the eye test of me saying oh it’s just
his turn like obviously him being like
playing physical where he actually
throws the body like I like my hockey in
that regard where I view that in that
intimidation as a valuable asset so I
factor all those things as
intangibles right am I am I crazy here
no but feel free to [ __ ] on me do you
agree with my premise that he receives
extra style points from people
specifically on social media when he
scores a certain way yes yeah I like I
like watching him play a little bit more
but that’s also based on those
intangibles that I think weigh into the
the voting process like playing physical
bullying him it’s like well he’s getting
in on the for check like he’s being his
own Puck Hound in a in a certain sense
in in you know where maybe I’m not
saying COV doesn’t do that there’s other
things that he provides that are more
valuable than what McKinnon does but
based on the entire scale and so
watching in the eye test and the fact
he’s only three points off of him and
you’re saying how many empty net points
does COV have he had 14 last time I
checked so if if you take the empty net
points away from both guys and
McKinnon’s also leading and scoring and
also playing in a conference that I I
view to be more difficult like I think
we could have picked what six Stanley
Cup winners out of the West maybe people
don’t take Vancouver as seriously now
with demp CO’s Health in Jeopardy if you
put Winnipeg back in the mix there’s
five cup contenders that they’re playing
more games against so that’s kind of
just the whole realm of how I was I was
viewing it and so how do you then reason
with exactly what I was saying about
kucherov being north of two points per
game against the top 10 teams in the
league well that well but but that’s
also when you said that I’m like okay
like that’s that’s why on the broadcast
I had McKinnon ahead by a lot maybe a
couple weeks ago where all these other
things are being thrown at me where I’m
like [ __ ] man with Matthew SK scoring 50
even strength goals I’m like to me it’s
a three-way tie you [ __ ] guys figured
out like it’s just remarkable what each
individual is doing scoring goals is the
hardest thing to do in the NHL and doing
it five on five in today’s era is
extremely difficult he did it 50 [ __ ]
times and he’s he’s he’s more above the
next guy in goals um there’s more like
of a distance it hasn’t happened that
long in like 24 years so we’re talking
decades worth of Records being broken I
think the last time someone scored 50
even strength goals it was team in 92 so
much like this 100 assist thing that COV
and McDavid are going to do other people
are doing things in other areas as to
why I’m like well that deserves the MVP
and I also think
that I don’t know if I think that there
could be a chance of Matthews isn’t in
the lineup for the Leafs that they maybe
don’t make playoffs like I think that
that’s a strong possibility just like I
think cooch whereas I mean what about
paner we could check Leafs off check the
Leafs I’ll tell you the pro the problem
this year is not only are a couple guys
getting [ __ ] when they announce the
winner there’s guys getting hosed when
they announce the finalist so it it’s
it’s like it’s just it’s it’s been a
season unlike any other I can remember
for MVP and we didn’t even mention Sid
and we hav met Sid we did wait a sec
guys could you imagine getting Biz a
ballot though and he just writes like ah
it’s a tie and then sends like shrug
Emoji that’s it that’s what I would have
done I sends it into the old
NHL I saved you the money in postage
there you go what is this I wonder I
wonder sometimes and this is not a shot
at any fan out there who’s loves the NHL
and loves hockey but if you didn’t play
hockey watching McKinnon it’s it’s out
of your seat it’s end to end rushes it’s
being a bull as you mentioned Frank
kucherov Moore he does these little
things it’s little little ways he accept
passes little ways he gets it off the
wall that maybe to the nak and I who
didn’t play the game they don’t
necessarily see as much as the McKinnon
Masterpiece of just end to end rushes so
that could be one thing when you talk
about like the online um love for
McKinnon opposed to to COV just kind of
thinking out loud he does it he does
these little magnificent plays that you
don’t even see until the replay
sometimes McKinnon you see boom you just
see a horse flying down the ice it’s
going to be interesting though McKinnon
is a is an absolute force of nature I
would describe coov as being Sublime
like I like that Frank uh one more for
you before we let you go you gotta be
chomping at the bit to reval the
expansion coyotes uh list of a couple
boy years right I mean look uh here
here’s my suggestion to the NHL and it’s
it’s free 99 okay free advice if you
want to not have information leak don’t
make your team submit it 24 hours in
advance just a do it live do it live and
I doesn’t then it’s like oh well how do
we fly guys there to find out who cares
nobody cares nobody cares that that
you’re going to ask him four like
softball questions on stage like no one
awward no one really wants to do thatway
my God yeah no that’s a bingo bingo B
live free advice don’t just don’t hours
who for any anyone who’s who’s GNA throw
the fish who’s gonna throw and catch the
fish in the [ __ ] uh what do you call
that area all right you did it pike pike
smack it I’ll go
I’ll
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on what time is it 10:30 Monday night
what an incredible drama we just got out
of Biz uh two overtimes at once two
pulled goalies Det the kadak kids I
talked to the coach the other day Derek
he said he’s been so impressed with
their battle I think we saw why tonight
they were losing 4 to1 end up 54 in
overtime the only conclusion we have
with three more days in the season the
island is wrapped up that third spot the
Metro we still don’t know the second
wild card team Biz I want to go you
first for your reaction me first I’m not
really the Detroit guy Lucas Raymond
with Lucas Raymond this is the coming
out party of Lucas Raymond the second
half of the NHL season I was [ __ ]
half asleep man this guy bro brought me
up with a shot of [ __ ] Red Bull right
in the Yap buddy this is crazy btown
I’ll tell you the first half of the game
with they kept getting every [ __ ]
shot
blocked well yeah and they couldn’t
really get a save either and and they’ve
had they’ve had some great goal tending
that have really kind of kept them alive
but I mean I looked there’s 12 shots
four goals for Montreal shout out leane
Hudson be you what what an effort I
think he was second in ice time for the
Canadians kids buzzing around I’m just
giving him his flowers before we get
into the real Heroes of the night the
Detroit Red Wings the cardiac kids they
won’t die in Toronto they won’t die at
home Little Caesar’s Arena it looked
like Rexall Place back in the day the
Northlands Coliseum as the Oilers were
running them running to the Cup finals
and those crazy ass crowds so Lucas
Raymond the former I believe fourth
overall pick you’re seeing the come the
coming of age of a future stud if not
already gets his 30th goal on a beuty
patient play right around the crease to
tie it up after being down three goals
and then ends It Out Racing Lane Hudson
down the ice after he hopped in to try
to get the OT winner he got a great shot
on net did Lin dish that over to him oh
you think he did God and Larin had a
chance in he had another chance in
overtime it was an amazing third period
one of the most entertaining periods of
the season with what was at stake with
what was on the line the arena the
madness going on in there P Kane was
dancing I I texted the group if Kane
wins this [ __ ] thing in OT I’m going
to lose I’m going to lose it and he had
a great chance he gave that sick no look
dish to the brink cat who rung it off
the crossbar then gosis bear Rings went
off the crossbar and Shout out gopar
looking like keep oh my God white man
can’t jump dude he looked like Vince
Carter back in the day on that dunk
competition I guess I’m aging myself I
thought that thing was 4et over his head
going the EMP net he gets up brings it
down like Whit Rebound in an eighth
grade and then drops on the ice and
dishes it over to Pon down to Ray and
just the wings look like he climbed the
ladder you no offense capitals fans cuz
I’ve talked about the Run you’ve had for
all these do you know how much better
the playoffs will be with the Red Wings
in over the freaking capitals and we’re
going to get to capitals awesome home
win awesome home win against the Boston
bruids but a snoozefest the worst plus
minus in maybe with 15 20 years to get
in the playoffs if they get in but I I
don’t mean to dog the Caps they had a
I’m just excited I think you’re just
speaking for everybody in what they’re
thinking I would much rather see the
Detroit Red Rings in playoffs I think
that the Washington Capitals will get
drummed but Bravo for [ __ ] beating
Boston two to nothing now the Bruins
kind of looked like [ __ ] almost
wondering if they’d rather play the
Leafs than the lightning already do you
think that that was thrown on purpose it
looked like they had [ __ ] 18 bissonet
skaters out there tonight must run up 15
[ __ ] shots against the capitals yeah
definitely a sleepwalking effort uh like
I always say to you guys you guys are
programmed not to throw games that’s
what the suits in the front office is
for they’re the ones who throw games you
guys are going to play for jobs you’re
going to play to win because your hockey
players I think I mentioned on the on
the text they went one game in five days
at this point in the season Biz would
that not throw a team’s Rhythm off or
certain guys just kind of like you know
I I think that’s pretty big lull on the
schedule at this point in the year no I
don’t know I kind of like I like the
practice time sometimes to sharpen the
tools a little bit sometimes you need
cuz you get some ice
[Laughter]
time I mean I don’t know ra maybe not
enough to have a performance like that
I what you think I know you had the
wings on mostly but with the Bruins not
playing that long you think it affects
him uh I don’t think it mattered that
much I think Monty might have been a
little tired from celebrating the Denver
championship
earlier Denver another Denver Coach he
was he was too focused on that game he
wasn’t ready to go tonight but we’re not
worried about them when they get to the
playoffs just like we saw Denver they
know how to win in the playoffs so Monty
will get it done this year and boy shout
out to Charlie lingren like that guy’s
been on a he’s gonna make 1-1 next year
that’s got to be the biggest Baron and
net going and he’s been kicking all year
in in a game that they must need it must
need win he ends up pulling off one
against the Boston Bruins I know not
tons of work but still man 15 [ __ ]
shots and a big shut out for him but uh
I was you know who look good for the
capitals is that
McMichael is it Conor mcel is he the
keid up from Hershey right he spent I
think most of the time in Hershey he was
buzzing around I think he’s a first
round pick I guess I should know all
this but I haven’t seen him that often
in the mix this season watch him have
like 40 points this is like overall in
29 19 where he was the first round pick
in what are his numbers this year his
numbers this season he’s got uh in 78
games played he’s got 18 goals and 15
assists that’s probably their second
leading goal scorer that’s how pathetic
Washington I
mean Washington Capitals are yeah wait
you know where I know him from that
teddy bear toss game I think last year I
think that’s how I must have thought he
was in Hershey cuz he was their he’s
their leading scorer down there and then
he didn’t show up that night so yeah
he’s been up all year this year I was
wrong on that the other game I was
locked into I I I I focused a lot on the
end of the Detroit game but that
Pittsburgh Penguins team man they came
out buzzing after that Jimerson national
anthem they were high stepping out of
the gate two disallowed goals now the
first one all right fine the second one
was just complete [ __ ] they should
have been up three nothing obviously
they end up [ __ ] pulling the win off
but still that could have been a
controversial [ __ ] call that was
[ __ ] my opin and and and I asked you
guys is it the two refs or Toronto do
making that decision did we find out
Toronto on a on a review I’m 99% sure
it’s Toronto that does it 99.9 when it’s
99% on this part it might as well be
five so I I’d love to know if we can get
the real answer that’s yeah yeah that’s
where that’s the [ __ ] control room
that’s you know that’s where they get
the the [ __ ] final call from so I
don’t the ref’s AR making that a final
call okay okay if you’re sure about it
um that that I trust you what is the
explanation on that that that he’s in
the crease
and imagine that being an overtime
winner in the playoffs and then like
it’s a home game and the fan base is
going bananas walking out of the arena
and and then that that’s the no goal I
don’t see how you can tell me that the
goal he didn’t make the save because of
the player in the crease it he he didn’t
do anything to him probably the most
inconsistent uh call in the NHL would
you would you agree with like just how
it could go either way all the time it
seems like that the Goon interference
stuff yeah I guess people would maybe
argue length of suspensions but for
goals yeah no doubt I mean the good
thing about as much as I hate the
reviews of off sides you know right away
99.9% of the time with offsides there’s
a couple here and there that are very
very close but usually that’s how what’s
that’s why their percentage ranking is
so their percentage is so high of
getting it the increase go Ender
interference calls I I never know I on
that one Biz texted the group there’s no
way that’s coming back B therefore came
back yeah no uh but hey how about Sid
though after they get the bunting one
called back what 20 seconds later he
[ __ ] pots he he’s one in one in the
first period to get that team going man
like I know he ain’t sniffing the top
three in MVP but the season he’s had at
his age man and to [ __ ] still have
them in the fight remarkable stuff and
Carlson had a big game too with that big
bomb so it uh it keeps them alive man as
you said every team holds serve which
game were you dialed into the most M uh
I had Detroit on and then I had pit on I
had to listen to arm dog you know our
game notes guy but to go back to that
game in the in the interference call did
you guys talk at all yet about that off
sides we witnessed over the weekend
where the guy was pushed off sides no we
didn’t get into that and how that was
kind of the first time we seen that so
it was the same type of thing if
something like that happens in the
playoffs it’s going to be brutal cuz
it’s either off sides or it’s
interference if you push the guy off
well wait you can explain the one he’s
talking about so M we were watching um
Islanders at Rangers on Saturday
afternoon and MH had bet the Islanders
they got out to a lead it was on an
Islanders goal right yeah yeah so the
Islanders scored a goal I don’t remember
who got it but when they went back and
reviewed the offsides call it was it was
a Rangers player who pushed the
Islanders guy like over offside and I
just figured it would kind of be like
when a Defender pushes a guy into his
own goalie the goal will end up standing
because they’ll say oh no well your own
teammate pushed you into the you know
into the goalie and that’s why he
couldn’t make the save this one you’d
think all right well he pushed him
offside so it’s going to stay a good
goal and that was another one we were as
like just say offside is is easy to tell
that one had a scratch in our
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the standings caps 89 points Wings 89
points pens 88 points Flyers 87 points
tonight Tuesday uh Washington and philia
playing the the biggest game of the
season obviously uh Detroit is at
Montreal Pittsburgh is at the Islanders
so we me and Whit were looking at the
tiebreakers before we jumped on here I
think we were at the the fourth or fifth
tiebreaker if if uh Philly were to beat
Washington in like regulation correct
and Detroit loses and Detroit loses yeah
I mean the scenario is just absolutely
banana lands right now again this late
in the season but uh boys any more
playoff thoughts before we uh so if
Philly beats Washington in regulation
and everybody else loses Philly gets in
we don’t we we we’re not sure so this is
what happens B because so if Philly
beats Washington and this is if Detroit
and Pittsburgh lose I think Pittsburgh
and just lose Detroit would have to lose
in regulation I think but it would go
down to Detroit I mean sorry Philly and
wash okay they would be tied in
regulation wins they would be tied in
regulation or overtime wins they would
be tied in overall number of wins the
First Column and then it goes to
head-to-head where they’re one and one
against each
other so so what do they do they go coin
flip like [ __ ] Friday Night Lights it
ends up being like gold differential or
something like sixth down the list oh I
don’t like Washington’s
chances do you guys think that tonight
it’s a Max bet play
Detroit uh like moneyline Puck line M in
Montreal well no and it well it wouldn’t
be cuz Philadelphia would be two- one
against them if they do win tomorrow oh
that’s right okay they’re one in one now
so they’ll be two and one so then Philly
would get in I guess that would be the
last one did we figure that out M that’s
why we brought you on there was some
reason for me to put this Redwing shirt
on and get on
here but even but if Detroit just gets a
point point and and Philly wins it
doesn’t matter Detroit’s in correct or
would then Pittsburgh catch them if they
win well and then they’re both at 90 I
think we should proba [ __ ] up and wait
till game 82 ask me hey who would you
start that try set people up they’re
like Rymer or lion M who would you
start yeah don’t know Ry just had his
500th game didn’t he yeah he did
congrats to him man that’s a lot lot of
games for a freaking goalie man
waser you got Ry he’s got the experience
man you know I mean i’ I’d throw it to
him plus I know lion had a pretty tough
game to start tonight I know he bounced
back they finish strong but I don’t know
I’d have no problem throwing Rymer out
there for a game of this magnitude he’s
you know he’s been there 36 years old
he’s bounced around a bit but see what
happens there uh another guy who had a
milestone game last week Eric cson
played his 10,000th game you guys
probably saw the clip all the teammates
come out with the 65 jerseys on uh also
we got to talk about Sid uh 1,000th
assist uh 14th player to do it the
seventh fastest he also cracked the top
10 of all time he bumped out uh Phyllis
bito it’s the first time a play has
entered the top 10 since y Yer back in ‘
08
uh 10 play 108 players uh have scored a
goal assisted by Sydney Crosby number 13
on the list pby Armstrong with 18 of
those and number 15 on the list our own
Whit dog with 16 of those so
congratulations to that boys and eight
more goals to go he’ll have 600 goals
and now 1,000 assist be the ninth guy to
do that overall just solidifying his H
Concrete Hall of Fame case already Biz
so uh uh buter gr sent out a tweet if he
plays if Crosby plays until he’s 42
right now all he would have to do is
average 68 points a year well it says
67.5 and he would be the second player
all time to reach 2,000 points I
mean that means he’d have so he’s
turning he’s turning 37 this
summer five five more years I when Brady
when people said like oh five more years
Brady will be 43 or whatever it seemed
crazy and then it didn’t look that crazy
by the end so maybe this guy is that
much of an alien
I do want to bring up quickly you guys
because we we kind of glanced over them
shout out Patrick wat and Shout out that
Islanders team for ending up like it
didn’t look good for a while there came
in it looked a little better then they
went on another losing streak so they
figured it out now the question is can
they give the canes any sort of
competition come playoff time I last
year was just it was an alltime Beatdown
I know they got one game from him but it
was men verse boys I don’t know if this
season it’ll be any different the
Islanders have the worst penalty kill in
the league it seems as though the canes
with gensel are kind of firing it around
on the power play but no matter what
happens the Islanders ended up digging
down deep Paul Mar got his 29th goal I
mean that’s pretty impressive for that
old bastard I can call him now so
Islanders fans very happy for you and
very happy that Patrick walk came in and
got the job done did see the move they
made they went to well I’m off a ton
with remember I made that a couple weeks
ago I said that they should be going him
way more than they did and obviously
they head to the playoffs uh we are on
100 Point watch for McDavid they’re
playing right now but we also want to
mention 100 assist watch assist I’m
sorry I was wrapped up because I was
staring at my body armor here cuz he
sign body armor the NHL ass body armor
we’re all in the same family once again
so want to give a a little shout out to
B on whether you’re drinking the sports
drink the sugar-free stuff the water
which is what I like welcome to the
family NHL and best bottle in the league
with the wide
mouth no doubt about that man what’s
that it’s so important the wide mouth
it’s the greatest thing the the skinny
mouth especially if you’re a little hung
from the pink Whitney you you just it
doesn’t work you need the thick bottle
get the hydration after your after your
weekend in Minnesota you were hitting
the throttle nonstop hey you know I’m
back in college you know it was just
like animal so was a standed Mer’s
roie I miss I ended up with a Denver
sweatshirt on I end up at the Denver
after party you know I had to be all in
had to go for it oh absolutely uh want
to talk about Wayne Simmons as well
obviously he St played a couple years
ago but the fly signed him to one of
those one-day contracts they honored him
before the game just a great little
ceremony he spent obviously the bulk of
his career there 19 Messi winner 1037
games you guys played against him what
like what’s what was the best part of
his game I mean he was built like a
string beam but he was freaking tough as
Nails out there
Simmons he was a nail gun and he played
so pissed off like some guys are out
there and they’re playing the role a
little bit like no dude this guy was
hitting he was hunting trying to put you
through the glass and then if you even
attempted or a cross check in front of
that he turned around [ __ ] pissed off
you’re like holy [ __ ] the Wayne train so
kind of built to be a Philadelphia Flyer
we’ve probably said this when when when
we described his game back when he was
playing we’ve always brought up that
definitely took the the suck a little
bit with timing wise never signing a
monster deal because you could have
watched him play and not been too in
depth with contracts or what’s going on
you could have been like oh that guy
probably signed a deal for 45 million 50
million at one point he never did
timing’s everything in life especially
with the the contracts ending but I I I
couldn’t believe the first time I saw
him off the ice you mentioned the string
bean he made my my calfs and and quads
look like
Crosby’s this guy it was this light post
I have in my room and somehow his
balance was still that good and and in
fights you never saw him get knocked off
his feet either I think you chucked him
with him once Biz right no I never
chucked him with him thank God you knew
better just the ultimate competitor he
didn’t cheat the game one bit exceeded
his contracts every single year uh he
could score he could hit he could fight
he played any way you wanted to and like
you said with the the the ultimate flyer
right just brought his [ __ ] lunch
pail to work every day and the ultimate
teammate as well never heard of bad
thing said about him by a guy just the
the ultimate [ __ ] teammate so
congrats to him on a great career and
getting to go out in style the way that
he deserves so shout out to the [ __ ]
Wayne train what a career well said boys
uh uh sagger buddy uh Noah hanin signed
a nice little extension with Vegas 8year
58.8 million comes out to 7.35 Year got
a no trade CLA for the first six a
modified no trade CLA for the last two
uh it’s exactly 29.4 million in base and
29.4 million in bonuses I don’t think
there’s any significance behind that
he’ll be 35 when the deal ends in 32 uh
currently the longest sign player for
Vegas Merles uh this a baget for Vegas
right about you expected what you take
on this deal buddy uh my biggest thing
when we first heard it was I just think
it means that Marsha show is probably
gone now because I just don’t see how
they’re going to have any room for to
keep him when you you brought hurdle in
already with the long contract now all
of a sudden Hannah in you got Petro on
the long one stone you got eel I just
don’t see how there’s any room left to
to take care of him so I was kind of a
little disappointed in that cuz I really
like marchie in Vegas and I just feel
like he’s one of those original Misfits
and and it looks like they’re going to
get rid of another one I think we were
talking about it at dinner the other
night with it’s a little bit bizarre
timing because of the reason you just
mentioned to Mr like maybe it sends a
little bit of a a shock wave through the
locker room like for Martinez too yeah
if you’re Martinez as a defenseman
looking to get a new deal you basically
know the writings on the wall there and
then you said March or so the guy just
set the franchise record for goals in a
regular season by a golden Knight and
and and you’re going to give him the
gate and it’s listen and I don’t want to
say that it’s been a Cutthroat
organization but they look towards the
future in every every decision they make
you don’t want to say that they’re
Cutthroat they’re as Cutthroat as Bill
bellich in his he day cut [ __ ] all
right I’ll
say and uh who else did he cut ra that
was the big uh oh ah whatever who did he
cut it fails like at this point Richard
Richard Seymour I think Richard Seymour
was the one I was taking of B okay
here’s the thing and I I said this at
dinner I don’t know if you were you were
talking to my but the announce the
timing announce it yeah it’s just
Marshall show and Martinez are like I
guess I’m gone I I I I can’t believe
it’s it’s being announced now now I’m
I’m kind of speaking for them I haven’t
talked to them I don’t know them but but
hannahan has to sign the
deal as soon as he can right because who
knows if you get hurt or have a bad
playoff and then you’re [ __ ] a
horrible play Goes Down And once he
signs the deal dude you don’t think
Elliot or Frank are sniffing that one
out 15 minutes later so it it it kind of
wasn’t even in the in the golden
Knight’s hands with the announcement and
having it be right before playoffs
reminding these guys that they’re
they’re gone if there was one GM that
could get away with signing a guy in it
not getting announced who do you think
it would be Eiserman yeah
same him or Lou Lou yeah him or Lou but
no I think Eiserman somehow get away
with it so well I I think we got to
maybe throw Philly on that list after
the the G thing how they were able to
keep that in-house for so long and and
where didn’t get out maybe Philly might
get on that list that was actually kind
of every team cuz they’d put it out
there and and I think they were really
open with other teams like you’re
completely [ __ ] us here which would
make me think some teams would be like
Oh I’m going to [ __ ] away on you buddy
I’m putting you on the workbench I’m
going to announce this but Bad Business
Karma ends up biting you in the ass but
yeah that stayed real quiet and and and
the still like probably didn’t get the
return that that they they they could
have if they had chosen to trade him for
no reason and teams weren’t aware that
the kids like I ain’t coming I mean
either way boys [ __ ] we’re going to game
82 would would we have had it any other
way in this regular season no not at all
man it’s been it’s been a thrill uh one
more notebook before we do get to wrap
up here B Anaheim forward night Jacob
silverberg he played his last home game
then he’s going to call it his career at
the end of the season 12 total NHL
Seasons 11 with Anaheim uh 819 games
with I’m guessing you you probably knew
him a little bit no nope never played
know just competition wise Merles you
did yeah I I played against him before
he went over to the NHL and breus and
the rumor is that he’s going to go back
and play with them they’re currently in
the I think they’re in the finals of the
second league if they can win they’ll go
back up to the shl so I’m pretty sure
he’ll go back and play for that team
either if they if they win or if they
don’t but they should win and move up
and he’ll be back in the shl yeah that’s
what’s sick for euros when they if they
want to can go back play for their
Hometown team and it’s I saw young
children yeah you get your young kids
back there with the grandparents and
everything so yeah it’s a really nice
setup for them I did see the whole
announcement of his retirement and I had
to check I was like this guy have like
800 points in 12200 games played I was
like this is a big deal right now for
this announcement I mean congratulations
amazing career over 800 games was a hell
of a two-way
player just I don’t know them being kind
of a scrooge right now but it was I was
like holy [ __ ] this is kind of a they’re
making a big deal I think you’re just
jealous cuz he got a nicer ping pong
table than he was a gift [ __ ] that dude
I how they can get that back to Sweden I
want to know my machine like ruined me
in one-on-one matches I’m amazing I’m
like a range golfer now that’s just good
on the Range you get me in one-on-one
competition and I’m like I’m waiting for
the machine red light to beep and the
ball to come over with my patented spin
that I put on it with the app so I’ve
kind of [ __ ] myself in ping pong B I
feel like he’s one of these players he’s
probably unheralded to the maybe the
average fan you know playing in Anaheim
doesn’t help but in his hometown
absolutely beloved I mean he was a four
time 20 goal scorer just like a fan
favorite but you know again playing an
Anaheim maybe dimmed his style a little
bit around around the continence no
doubt I I actually played against him
when I was playing in Arizona well the
few games that I did and like you said
just extremely effective always
consistent year-over-year um one of
those hidden gems I thought I thought he
made a decent amount of do but when I
saw that he was retiring I was shocked
just at the age but as you said M like
these guys get to transition a little
bit sooner than than maybe some of these
other guys do based on the setup they
have over season it’s a lot lighter load
on on them physically like the 82 NHL
season grind [ __ ] that and with the
money that he’s made I I don’t know what
the big contract he signed was but it
was pretty pretty good like I would say
he was probably making at least over
four million a year wasn’t he yeah he’s
making close to five and a half in his
La in his last game yeah so good for him
for cashing in and man I don’t blame
guys and as you guys know League’s
getting younger man it’s harder to keep
up with the skating going on now like 32
is kind of that age I was gone at 32
Whit you were done at 32 M when did you
retire from the NHL or just in general
no just for hockey in general uh was 38
or 39 holy [ __ ] M but but like to your
point where when I left the NHL and I
left the AHL the 82 games it was a lot
easier on my body and that’s why I did
leave I thought I was done but I got
over there I had a couple 30 game
Seasons 40 game Seasons no big goons
running around hitting me bigger ice so
you can play a lot longer and you can
probably do so with a little bit of
extra weight on you all those pops
drinking well didn’t have to work out as
much either I forgot to mention this
Mike Kelly’s uh tweet when we were
talking about the Penguins so with all
like the [ __ ] their power play got and
their kind of offense besides Crosby for
most of the Season got in the last three
weeks three and a half weeks the
penguins are first in the league in
screen goals first in the league in
rebound goals and third in the league in
deflection goals and that wasn’t
including tonight where they scored on a
rebound and a screen shot and had two
goenda interference goals called back so
ra the banner kind of makes sense oh you
don’t think that’s a legit
point I’m saying raise the banner
because right now Washington’s in
control of Their Own Destiny and bck the
Penguins had no chance and they’re going
into game 82 with a shot congratulations
Scrooge
holy [ __ ] Biz go to bed [ __ ] Grump
they’re playing hard noos hockey in
front of the net they’re finally making
some [ __ ] happen with traffic you were
bitching about it all season and now
they got a chance to get in the playoffs
yeah how many Hall of Famers does it
take the figure out a power play well
[ __ ] if you went by uh still second
worst in the league what what was Todd
Reen’s board Tod Todd re’s bored this
podcast would be like this for three
hours
[Laughter]
thought he was looking at P there or
something I’m getting a little slap
Happy here boys it’s getting late into
the night but what a day uh we covered a
lot [ __ ] College hockey the crazy MVP
race the crazy wild card race I mean
what else what else is going on oetkin
we got to congratulate him uh Russian
snip and now was 18 Seasons with at
least 30 goals the NHL record he was
tied with Mike got for a while
absolutely ridiculous uh you guys had a
sagas scramble last week versus uh I’m
sorry Taylor not versus Taylor Lan you
guys were versus each other for a change
check that out on our YouTube If you
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basts cheffer robot oh my God this guy’s
a machine oh I said it before that if he
putts he he I said to I said to um you I
said on this show already he’s like
tiger now and you you had this crazy
reaction you threw your head back like
you were trying to draw a penalty his
stats his stats hitting the ball ball
striking are are are like Tiger’s Heyday
and and tiger back then he was like 2 to
one if not worse odds to win tournaments
and and Sheffer at 4 and 1/2 to one
people were like holy [ __ ] it’s too low
he ends up winning by four he had the
second lowest round of the day on Sunday
and he had a shot lead going in so we’re
looking at at at a and I know he’s only
got two majors now they’re both Masters
but in the next 10 years he’s only 27 he
looks 50 he’s aging like me but in the
next 10 years he’s got 40 Majors if he’s
able to stay healthy knock on
wood I I I do not think it’s crazy to
think that he could just pick off six or
seven of the next 40 and then all of a
sudden he’s at eight or nine and we’re
talking about an all-time top 10 golfer
in the history of the game so like
anything in life and in sports usually
you’re on field on ice on course in the
office performance relates directly to
your life outside of the Arena that you
you professionally live in and he is
dialed in he’s he’s a he’s a very
religious guy he relies on his faith he
got emotional in the Tuesday press
conference talking about his faith the
coolest thing about him and I’ve know
I’ve said he’s a boar on here before
which he kind of can be a little bit of
a boar but I think as he
gets better and better and keeps
dominating I’m respecting him more and
more because he does a great job of
talking about how like growing up his
parents always reminded him even to this
day he reminds him himself like golf is
your job but it doesn’t doesn’t Define
him it doesn’t mean he’s anything
special like he’s he’s he’s seems to be
super um empathetic and humble and
genuine and he goes about his he’s he’s
having his first kid he seems him and
his wife are happily married and he just
practices Golf and dominates tournaments
so when you see true domination and
greatness especially me loving golf at
some point you got to just tip your cap
but he doesn’t make mistakes and like in
classic um tiger at the height of his
powers everyone seems to fall back
everyone’s kind of chasing him and
having a play Perfect to to even tie him
up or take the lead from him and then
they end up fumble [ __ ] uh L my guy
he’s winning Majors though don’t worry
about him he put one in the water on 11
homo went long on 12 he kind of got
screwed usually you go long over the
12th green it’ll roll back down he got
stuck in the bush and then um morawa
made a couple doubles he kind of [ __ ]
up so Scotty Sheffer just plots his way
around Fairways greens makes the
occasional 15 20f footer if he doesn’t
he two putts it when he misses the green
he’s statistically the best chipper in
the world when you add all that up you
have domination and what what really
bummed me out was just not really much
drama coming down the last you love Ali
coming down 18 tied up [ __ ] every
that tournament is built it’s built for
the final five holes to have two three
guys in the mix because 13 15 12 13 15
even 11 like so much [ __ ] can go down
why just because of the the the like the
uh like the water and how it how it
plays out yeah isn’t that where Greg
Norman [ __ ] it all up oh yeah he blew
I think a six or seven shot lead one and
the funny thing about the year he blew
that and
um it was talked about on the no laying
up Podcast I heard they did like a deep
dive into into different major
championships so he was going into the
final round that year and he had he had
like lit It Up Round One gotten a little
worse round two a little worse round
three and a CBS broadcaster went on TV
and said his grips like getting
different each round and I I I I think
that the next round if he doesn’t get
this figured out he could be he could be
screwed and he said it Saturday night
like on The Telecast just setting up the
next day the final round and Greg Norman
like you’re trying to win a major like
he called his buddy from CBS that was
like running the show bitching and
moaning like all pissed off that this
guy’s talking about him possibly blowing
it on Sunday and the guy was telling the
story who who was giving the analysis of
his grip and his swings like yeah uh if
he’s worried about that I’m pretty sure
he’s got way bigger problem he’s done
Scotty sheffo ain’t giving a [ __ ] what
some announcer C go were in about the
tears in the other team’s eyes pregame
right kind of came full circle this this
whole teaching lesson
here believe that Denver didn’t M we
interviewed D David Carl they didn’t
know about that comment before the game
oh or he claims it I I I don’t think
he’d be able to lie about that CU one of
the players would end up spilling the
beans uh sucks for Max hom I was hoping
that he was going to come through uh
some pretty some pretty cool stuff some
cool quotes coming at him saying he
knows he has that doging him and he’s
obviously worked with a a mental coach
to get his game up to the level that it
has been now cuz he struggled for a
little bit he kind of went through what
like Nathan McKinnon did early on in his
his PGA career didn’t he and now he’s
way worse like McKinnon never almost
lost a job he lost his card twice oh God
and then one year he he birdied the
final four holes of of like a tournament
to not have to go to Q school and get
corn fairy starts the next year so
golf’s nuts right there’s just so many
guys going for so few spots he he went
through the ringer D he lost his swing
he couldn’t hit keep the ball in the
planet and and even though he he didn’t
end up getting the job done you got to
kind of it’s like the cup you got to win
you got to lose a little before you win
and he’d never even been in the mix in a
major so finishing third place like
that’s like something to build on for
him I I would think and a great guy so
shout out to Max hom boys uh great
breakdown of the Masters Whit Sheffer
he’s a legend
lmer your sweet buddy that guy’s coming
por on a bit of a heater too hey boys
five and a half million he really needs
it he was the third highest paid guy
this weekend at the Masters hey I saw
that he made more than third place there
he’s won what is he he’s won four and a
half million in the last
week Yukon was a week ago yesterday what
was that 2.7 and then this was 1.
five and he had Michigan for the he’s
still down 20 million he’s still down 20
million I think and that could be
conservative but congratulations to him
what a r what a what a heater to go on
well boys uh with a show with a season
we still got a few more days left uh and
again we’ll see you Saturday NYPD FDNY
and we’ll be talking playoffs next week
so everybody have a fantastic week we’ll
catch you out there peace
28 Comments
Shame on Chickets. No respect for Caps all season long.
Long time fan … Probably one of my favorite Caps seasons. Bunch no names, injuries, young guys, new coach, sellers at deadline, gritty, ugly … Playoffs.
The death stare Biz gave when Whit cut him off at the 2:22:30 mark was the funniest part of this episode 😂
Are we just done with big deal brew? That was quick
Before we go any further…
cant spell process but cares about the educaiton oof
Kuch is a pp merchant so pass
Whit saying BU dominated Denver is comical. BU went up 1-0 then shit the bed rest of the game! Denver goalie was hot but come on whit eags will be back next year!
So the last playoff spot in the east is essentially like that last nugget that didn’t get flushed down the toilet. Fittingly it’s turned out to be the Caps with their gaudy -37 goal differential. But tbf it was exciting!
I think people hockey playing or non hockey playing remember asshole Kuch ( or whatever his NN is) at the all star weekend… He thinks he is above effort for the fans that pay his salary.. Kuch is a loser
Philly native Frank Seravalli
Whit to Biz: We both have the same degree, which isn’t one. 😂
I think I am on the 1-8 bandwagon now.
Preds playing Vancougar and have to potentially play back to back with 5 hour flights in between is the NHL equivalent to soggy subs on the bus it is not very national league.
If it was 1-8 preds would play the jets don't love that match up but it sure beats back to back
If it was 1-13 it would be preds vs Carolina give me that match up in round one I will take it.
Holy fucking ads
I cant stand the way RA reads ads lmao dude needs a reading coach or some shit. Same tone at the same point in every sentence
I’m surprised Biz hasn’t drown in spunk for the amount he sucks off Matthews.
WHOS GONNA BE AT THE MULLET TONIGHT?!?!
Avs in 4, bos in 4, VGK in 4 and whoever van plays in 4 all of Canada gonna get swept round 1, that’s my prediction
Love the pod, but when they said Simmer never got a big payday I looked it up. Guy made like almost 40m lifetime. Not too bad. 23 mil extension in 2012 from the Flyers. Wayne Train rules.
What the Hell happened to RA at the 2:15:40?
my personal opinion, I would vote McDavid for the Hart based on what he did for the Oilers this year. surprisingly he has double the hits Mack has, stepped up massively defensively, and helped pull the Oilers from 31st in the league to being a legit playoff team. this year has been crazy as hell so here’s to hoping the playoffs will continue the excitement !
Whit & Biz with the best take I’ve seen on the Cutter quote. Hilarious and spot on. This is why we love the pod. Players just get it.
Frank, one of the best takes this whole season
Can RA fix his background? Tf
Seravali and Whit had it righ. The only winners hete are Meruelo, an incompetent owner who will make at least 0.5 bil in this deal and Ryan Smith who gets a loaded promising roster bybpayung for it rather than have to be smart and build through expansion draft. Rich ones always win.. hardworking fans get screwed . Nothing new.
I can't understand RA's question to Frank at 2:15:05 I even tried using the Closed Captions.
Biz – we need “Hockey Belongs in the Desert” merch yesterday.
How about some CHL coverage!?
Guys it’s not the player and their families that are impacted the most…
It’s the ushers, the ticket sales team, the corporate suite team, it’s a lot of people who have lost their jobs. The players are the end thought… sad Whit couldn’t see that