FORMER MONTREAL CANADIEN SHELDON SOURAY | MISSIN CURFEW EP 271

Missin Curfew Episode 271 with Sheldon Souray

Recorded at HallPass Media | Presented by DraftKings

Souray’s Day to Day Life Today
Sobriety in his Post Hockey Career
The Importance of Mental Health Awareness
Souray’s still a Fitness Freak
Living and Training in LA as Rookie
Lou Lamoriello’s Training Camp Boot Camp
Traded to Montreal from New Jersey
What’s it like to play for the Canadiens
Bench Press Draft Combine Story
Playing in the Post Lockout Era 05/06
Being a Fighter in the National Hockey League
The Playboy Mansion with OB and Lupes

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what’s missing curfew it’s when you kind
of play guilty but you show up how nice
is a green light on the road though no
practice tomorrow no plane just go
Scotty Upshaw in the C and he
scores front scor you laughs a little
bit of fun and obviously a lot of hockey
talk you’re listening to missing curfew
f up dog my man fell Friday fella
Fridays continue and for those of you
that are bored with the season talk
we’re almost there that’s me that is
Obie we’re almost there folks we’ve got
two weeks three weeks in counting games
are getting better they’re getting
tighter playoff positions are in place
thank God the dog days are over I can
only watch so much soft regular season
hockey and that’s what it is most nights
it’s soft I got to put my goddamn rent
up every night just to watch the stuff
no I’m just joking but listen upy you’re
right it’s playoffs right around the
corner it’s a great time of year um
and in all seriousness I am sick of
watching yeah no by rights I mean
there’s a lot of time put on the couch a
lot of time leaving the the course early
to fire on that you know that Thursday
night TNT or that Tuesday night ESPN or
whatever the case may be I’m sick of
going to the ESPN Plus app and just
watching regular season games and that
stupid commercial that that sound it
drives my kids crazy drives my girl
crazy they need to fix that this game
has ended well I don’t care put on a
music put on uh some some uh waterfall
or something they do it during the
commercial breaks why do they do that
make matter ESPN fix it but I will tell
you what we are not the only people sick
of regular season hockey the Columbus
Blue Jackets Ottawa senors Montreal
Canadians I’m not going to throw pit in
there the Anaheim Ducks San Jose Sharks
Chicago Blackhawks Anaheim Ducks and
Arizona Coyotes are also sick of regular
season well they they’re ready to almost
get their Adidas tea times here set up
because they’re on the outs I’ve been on
I’ve been on the San Jose Sharks team we
were the call we were called the
Colorado Avalanche though and it was a
lockout year and we had like 15 games
left dude and sacko hates me I’m not
playing and Dave Quinn it was more Dave
Quinn Dave Quinn who hey Dave you’re
going through together in San Jose hey
buddy so maybe it wasn’t me maybe it was
you he’s gone through a couple he’s gone
up dog I’m not playing I’m getting
rinsed I’m just looking at the schedule
going come on man just don’t get hurt if
I get put in there don’t get hurt I
don’t want to [ __ ] up my golf game for
the winter or for the summer yeah and
you you were in the playoffs Loops was
in playoffs with that was when they
played Boston yeah so I was in I was in
uh oh no that was the year
before the year before they played here
before we both missed the playoffs when
you were when you were playing the
Devils yeah we went to Australia I don’t
know who the Leafs played the next year
but listen these guys point being
they’re ready for the summer they’re
ready for get me out of there
summertime um but we got an absolute
Beauty on fellow Friday today a guy that
means a lot to both of us Sheldon Sur uh
Legend on the Ice Legend off the ice uh
went through some ups and downs came out
through the other side up dog this is a
great interview um I always wish I play
with this guy for on the ice I thought
we would have a good D pair he plays
right side and then for off the ice
obviously I would have just been his
wingman but uh he’s a great guy he’s a
great guy listen um Northern Alberta guy
from fishing lake little community in
Alberta um played the game the right way
went through jeez I I love the ajhl Fort
scaton Trader right to the dub he spent
spent four years in the dub grinding and
then uh Western leag right we do touch
on it but you know he had he had an
injury coming into his draft so he
started with his you know he didn’t
start on third base this guy earned
everything he got and tough handsome
he’s uh he’s he was highly skilled he
talks about the sauce passes which is
but it’s an epic interview you know a
guy that I I always remember Shelly as a
guy like I didn’t want to [ __ ] with him
and [ __ ] you don’t want to [ __ ] with him
although you’re like man this guy he get
to sit on the point he [ __ ] takes one
timers his his living is taking
one-timers and then going out after the
game and just mixing it yeah heavy
one-times heavy and he sometimes I mean
all he knew where they were going was
high he ripped a couple by me when I was
in Colorado and he was in Dallas I had
to go to him after about the middle of a
second I said f I go this is Dallas I’m
going out after just keep them just
below the I and I you know if I get take
one the shoulder okay but just don’t hit
me anywhere here yeah I can’t wait one
thing I just as we’re talking here I
can’t wait for princy to fire up some
[ __ ] good
oldfashioned Sheldon Sur like [ __ ]
just fellas watch how hard is shot it’s
just like it is it is natur kids out
there when you when your dad or your
buddies tell you to shoot High shoot
hard watch how s shot I remember I used
to look at a stick I think I actually I
think we played a lockout game with them
in Elsa gundo with stoy and the boys I
think Shelly played I looked at his twig
and it was like that I was like big old
Pizza shovel yeah know Wonder Reon RI
past my ears uh but before we get to the
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the crown is yours Saturday night lack
of the night up dog my man set the tone
for the fellas who you got lack of the
night I mean considered that you know
our friends down here in Newport Beach
Southern California our old Ducks killer
will te up soon not perfect but they’re
going to be in the hunt for that first
overall pick again listen they’re going
into Edmonton my boys Conor Leon take it
easy on the fellas but I got the
Edmonton Oilers probably minus 650 I
don’t know it’ll be high this could be
the highest line that I’ve seen thus far
I believe I took it Dallas at minus 501
I might have seen this could be a minus
600 for the lads yeah taking it grab
grab a sack boys just give him a tug
that’s why we call it the lock of the
night F I’m going back to my old
stopping grounds ball Arena listen I’m
taking the Colorado Avalanche over the
Nashville Predators however I did take
the pred at the start of the year to
make the playoffs they are rolling along
Andrew brunette when you bring Ryan
O’Reilly into your dressing room good
things happen people however fact Daddy
it’s not going to be good that night the
Avalanche want to set a little
presidence that they are still the team
to beat in the west Avalanche at home
McDavid and the ‘s over killer and the
poor Ducks killer we’ll take you big
canyon soon absolutely and then
hopefully they give fact daddy a little
video tribute while they’re throwing all
the you’re get a video Tribute back in
uh back in Denver there the mile high
I’ll go on my phone and give him a video
tribute to me and him drinking jamus in
the whole time we were there that that’s
what a lot of it came from but uh up dog
uh an absolute Beauty coming up right
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dog my man this was a guy that I looked
up to a lot when I you know before I got
in the league when I played against him
uh good Style on and off the ice always
going no bucket always had a good tan
good style 760 games uh a guy I know you
love to Sheldon Sur Shelly thank you so
much for taking the time buddy we’re big
fans of you and Mr curfew here oh what’s
up boys I like the backdrop I like the
backdrop that’s NHL buddy buddy uh I
gotta I rented this place for an hour so
we got to be
done that doesn’t seem like your style
at all you got the olive trees in the
back hey you know what’s funny we’ve
brought in a lot of guys who we wanted
to talk to on the show for a while and
you’re one of them that stands out to me
because you’re a guy on the ice I wanted
to stay as far away from you as possible
yeah but then off the ice since I’ve got
to know you I want to hang out as close
as yeah I want to be as close to you as
I can not many guys I could say that
about
Shelly I love you guys Man known you
guys a long time and th those are kind
words you guys know how I feel about you
I’ve had a lot of uh a lot of fun nights
and I was just saying a little bit
before uh I’m proud of you guys for
doing what you’re doing I mean this is
uh this is not an easy space get into
especially after hockey and all that um
so you guys are crushing it man and
thanks for having me on yeah no let’s
start right there shell we we’ll talk
some hockey and then The Good Old Glory
Days that we all had but but how’s life
for you now fell you look great um you
seem happy from all the stuff I see with
you on social media you’re in Las Vegas
doing your summit thing but what’s
what’s your day-to-day stuff like in
Sheldon C’s
life you know
um I feel like I’ve kind of had two
major chapters in my life right the one
where you where you have a career and uh
that’s kind of what we’re known as and
that’s you know giving us a little bit
of a Runway to figure out life after
hockey um but I think you know my life
now is is so much bigger than it ever
was um just personally I think you know
getting sober for me was a big thing
because as you guys know when you retire
um it’s tough right I don’t care if you
have a lot of money or you have no money
when you retire and it’s something
you’ve been doing your whole life um you
know a lot of guys and I know you guys
know this but a lot of guys don’t have
these educations that you just pull back
on and go to be an accountant or a
lawyer um so for me when I retired it
was there was a couple years in there a
few years in there that I just um I was
really lost and from the outside looking
in still having you know a little bit of
money and being able to do some things
that maybe some other people weren’t
able to do when they retired
um it it just I guess it just goes to
show that whatever you have on the
outside doesn’t fulfill you so to your
question that was a really long-winded
thing but my life is so simple um it’s
big you know getting married a few years
ago and then having a baby that’s 10
weeks old
today it’s if someone would have told
there was there was two things that I
knew I I would bet everything I had on
um and that five years ago and that
would have been if someone would have
said I’m getting married again or having
kids again I would have pushed all my
money in the middle and that there’s
just no way you know there’s just no way
but uh life just keeps surprising me and
and getting bigger and upy I know you
have with the Discovery Land thing and
that’s that’s really fun and has given
me a chance to meet some really cool
people and opened a lot of doors and
learned a lot in those things I mean
it’s it even though it’s kind of a job
it’s absolutely not U but it fills my
days at least and uh to be able to come
home to like a a calm and loving home
sounds kind of corny but for me it’s
it’s changed my life hey shy let let me
ask you there because we are lucky you
know Discovery Land such a great gig for
you and and we’re doing our thing here
at missing curfew but when you play
hockey you’re a hockey player you just
focus on hockey you get agent you get a
you know you get a accountant and a
money guy and you just focus on hockey
and I talked to Ty DOI during the
All-Star Game and Ty said OBS I was
doing business throughout my playing
career that’s what I was already
preparing for hockey going back is that
something you would have maybe done
differently too it’s it’s something that
cuz we have downtime right Shelly after
practice this and that would have you
prepared yourself more for life after
hockey during your plan days well
there’s no question right at hindsight’s
2020 I
mean I I just felt like like I had a
good career MoneyWise financially and I
felt like you know um I was just going
to retire and I would be in retirement
mode for the rest of my life I’d be
playing golf and uh hanging out and just
doing whatever the heck I wanted to do
and I didn’t even think about the future
when I was playing you know when you’re
playing your days are so busy I didn’t
even think about the next day sometimes
if you look at like a road trip and
you’re gone for nine days like you get
overwhelmed right um so no I didn’t do
any any sort of forward planning and and
that’s when I got in trouble I know you
guys know it you know when you retire
yeah and all of a sudden you’re you’re
known in something and uh people know
you as what you do and then all of a
sudden the you know it’s musical chairs
and the Music Stops and you’re standing
there going what the hell happened like
now what and so that was um that was a
really a really tough time for me and uh
I I wasn’t expecting that I thought I
would just cruise into retirement be
like this is amazing and it was
completely opposite I’m with you Shelly
when I first retired I was single this
guy was still playing Loops was doing
loops’ thing I was looking forward to
garbage day on Wednesday to get out
there and put my garbage out and be like
Oh at least you don’t then I’m like all
right what am I going to do to go shoot
85 again so I went through it too my man
it it’s really tough shell you mentioned
chapters and you’re in a lovely one
right now with with Tess and your new
little little boy olly congrats on that
um you know in the middle of those
chapters you know the transition stage
is there someone or something that
stands out to you that helped you like
click you know whether it was whether it
was someone that helped you you know
find soberness and find happiness there
or was it like the the new tribe or team
you put together whether it was at gauer
Ranch that has this you know Nick
community but how did you find your team
after leaving a game that you had a team
forever right how how did you find that
new team and was there someone that
stands out to you that really helped you
get there I certainly didn’t see well
there’s two things I didn’t see
addiction being a part of my life I just
thought that was it
looked I just didn’t think that was
going to be me it just plain and simple
and um and I didn’t think recovery was
going to be a part of my life if I’m not
addicted why would I get so like I like
to have few beers I like to hang with
the boys and that was like our life for
a long time right um
and I just I I don’t know I just fell
into this thing I started isolating I
started having this attitude of like I
deserve this why is everyone on my case
like I you know I’ve earned this and um
I think as it it got worse my first
rehab was in 2017 in January my second
was in was in September so uh I’m a
little bit of a slow learner you know
need a little bit of pain to uh you know
to to make me feel alive but I would do
it differently for sure but I think that
you know I had a group of friends who
cared about me um I had a a smaller
group of friends that that really cared
about what was happening and were able
to talk to me about it and confront me
um and I remember every single one of
those guys who who was in that small
group is still in that small group and I
just knew that like I couldn’t continue
living the way I was living it was it
was just um you know hey look some guys
retire and they can have fun and they
can go for a weekend or wherever and you
guys go to Aspen our lives are big and
you can control it and that wasn’t me I
just figured I would stop doing pills
whenever I wanted
um just to need a little more willpower
and you know all these things that I
that I just didn’t even think would ever
happen to my life but um my life today
has people who support my recovery and I
know upie you know um you know our
friend JJ and the whole Discovery thing
is um these guys really helped me get
back on my feet you know just uh any way
they could supporting me
and just talking to me like like real
talk right like dude this is not good
and I lost sight of that and you know my
family’s I I pest as you know where up
be and my life just started getting
bigger the more simpler it got the
better it got and and I know OBS you’re
probably like me the coach used to tell
me like simple stupid yeah I’m like no
dude I got I know how to saucer the puck
don’t worry right um and that’s just
kind of my motto these days I just keep
it simple and somehow like just keeps
getting showing me things that I never
thought were G to happen yeah Shelly
like when you talk about that closeness
groups that came to have that
conversation you know how how did you
react to that because there’s there’s
certain guys I’m thinking about right
now that you know maybe I should have
had a conversation with or maybe I still
could or like how did you take that when
when JJ or whoever came to you and said
Shelly [ __ ] fella like were you
standoffish or did it take them to open
your eyes and be like wow these guys
love me kind of
thing um a little bit of both a little
bit of like [ __ ] I’m a big big boy I got
it yeah you know and a little bit of
uh I I knew the way I was feeling I
didn’t like I just couldn’t I just
couldn’t figure out how I was going to
do this and um I will say at the time
that I went to my to to treatment those
two treatments the first time uh I had
been retired for probably four or five
years and um the hardest thing I ever
did was pick up that phone and call the
NHL doctors and say hey guys you know I
I I got a problem and I know everyone
probably has their own experience but
um there was no questions asked and and
for that I’m grateful right and there
was no judgment and my best friends who
were still my best friends just want to
see you get better and I still see that
as you guys do with other guys like I
just want to see them do better I hate
seeing people who have um who have so
much but take it for granted and that
was for sure me like that was just that
was me and um so those people who are in
my life who supported me will be in my
life forever because
it’s I I really feel it takes a strong
person to come up to you guys or to me
and say bro you’re off the you’re off
the rails because when I was
playing everybody was just uh
encouraging what I was doing there was
no it was like as long as they were
along for the Saturday nights in
Montreal or you know weekends in Malibu
right as long as that was happening
everyone was cool with it um so yeah I
mean it’s it’s I’m really grateful for
the people who are like you know smart
up um not knowing how i’ handle it and
hey let’s be honest I didn’t handle it
great at the beginning I’m like okay so
I’m gonna cut that guy out because he
he’s he’s calling me out of my stuff
yeah so that guy I’m not going to talk
to oh and this guy oh yeah you know you
see what I did to that guy well don’t
[ __ ] call me out cuz you’re going to
be sitting in the corner like it was
just a bad cycle and um you know and you
guys have been along for it and you guys
have both at at different times you know
been like hey way to go man and and I
really appreciate that like people don’t
understand I think sometimes what
kindness and some nice words can do for
a person like we all put on this Persona
like we’re you know we got it all
handled and I’ll take care of it um and
sometimes you just need like someone
with like a soft hand to be to tell you
it’s okay you know yeah and sh just you
know when I first retired I remember one
time this guy pulled me aside and was
like you know you’re you’re going pretty
hard OBS and this and that and and I was
going pretty hard and there was a point
where I was like [ __ ] OBS I mean it’s
every weekend here and you’re you know
you’re you’re trying to get arguments at
the bar and you know you’re doing this
and you know what I mean I’m like and
then you know Co kind of happened I met
somebody in my life and and then this
started happening I kind of got through
it you know kind of on my own but I
guess what I’m going with it when you’re
a guy like myself who’s not perfect
right who can you know have how how do I
go to somebody that maybe I love and
he’s going to be like well [ __ ] OBS who
are you to say it to me yeah I saw you
two weekends ago you’re the [ __ ]
drunkest guy in the bar you know what I
mean like it’s hard kind of you know
what I
mean oh totally it’s like hey don’t
don’t do what I do do what I say you
know what I mean don’t do what I do just
do what I say and I I had a lot of that
in my life and I don’t know man like I
said I you know upie came up to gauer
and met his you know beautiful daughter
and his girl and was encouraging and
like hey I’m proud of you and I’m
telling you sometimes you just go home
at night and that’s all you needed right
CU you we don’t know I mean we’re seeing
every day something tragic happen in the
in the hockey world uh you know recent
events we see it happen in the real
world and you just don’t know when some
person like your kindness might save
them that day it just might like that’s
that’s the world I live in right like
with a bunch of other alcoholics and
people who struggle um you just never
know what what a
kind kindness can do and we’ve gotten
away from that and sobriety has really
brought me back to that it’s like hey
man who am I to judge somebody
like dude I had to go to two rehabs in
nine months you know what I mean and I I
I thought I had it all all lit so um
it’s really taught me to just be
accepting a non-judgmental because you
just never know who’s going to need a a
pat on the back and Shelly one guy who I
know through your course of of of you
know seeking you know seeking sobriety
seeking help that you got to know is is
a one of my best friends Jordan tutu who
I think now has been he’s going on 12
years and what he’s been able to do for
guys who who have approached him or
through his public speaking that he goes
and does you know he goes all throughout
the Northern Communities right you know
the the nvok communities the the you
know the native communities throughout
Northern Northern Alberta specifically
where I’m from and you know where I’m
from it’s a rough Place Fort McMurray is
a rough town I I’ve had I’ve lost some
friends growing up um have some friends
with with addictions that have lost
their families and and it just for me it
goes to show that you know open it needs
to be open door policy it needs to be
something you can go to approach people
whether it’s comfortable or not seeking
help asking questions and then like you
know having guys like yourself and toots
be able to speak up and use you know use
a platform like ours Shelly to come on
and share a story that can touch so many
[ __ ] guys so many people women men um
because there is help out there and
tragedy sucks man and you know it
affects people you know it it it’s got
[ __ ] cancer cells that affects
everybody so um you know just for me I
appreciate what toots has been able to
do because he’s a better person and
better father better friend and guys
like you it just it says so much man
it’s awesome well thank you um you know
it’s I always say this right it’s like
when we
played like I’m glad we’re talking about
it than I know it’s not normal what you
guys talk and we’re going to have fun I
know that you guys are two of the very
best but um you know what I feel like
you can talk about mental health a
little bit you know you remember that
like Bell let’s talk thing like I never
paid attention of that because I’m like
[ __ ] dude I got my own life going I
don’t need to worry about five cents for
but we we started talking about it you
know Michael lburg started talking about
it and um when we were playing can you
imagine if we go to a morning skate and
uh you guys are playing with the flyers
or or OBS with the Canucks and you’re
playing against the Oilers and you come
in in the morning for morning skate and
guy says hey buddy how you doing you go
I’m pretty sad today man like can you
imagine Obie doing that I’m pretty sad
your teammates would go what’ you say
dude well smarten up right and um it’s
just I think a little different now
where
uh again you just don’t know who’s GNA
hear this and it helps I get messages
on my phone pretty much daily about
someone who says that like sometimes I
feel like a little corny talking about
it right it’s like man the people really
want to hear about like they want to
hear the stories from a Saturday night
Montreal and now I’m talking about like
soety it’s like sometimes I feel like
it’s
um it’s not phony but sometimes I just
feel like that’s not what people want to
hear but I’m glad that we are able to
talk about it because it really it’s
really changed my life it’s it’s it’s
not just the just using or drinking eat
that’s changed my life it’s it’s my life
has changed yeah right uh just talking
about like that with compassion and and
having like a strong relationship being
able to listen like all stuff that if
you would have told me five or six years
ago I would have I would have told you
guys like yo [ __ ] leave me alone like
I got other things to do than listen to
this and uh I’m just really grateful and
again man thanks for having me on you
guys you guys have both been supportive
of my thing and um my sobriety and and
yeah tootes I mean there’s two ways you
can go right you can be Jordan tutu or
you can be Chris Simon and I know Chris
very well he took me under his wing when
I was doing native hockey schools and
Lloyd Minster in the late
90s um he was my roommate always had a
tremendous amount of respect for him and
and you can it’s okay to struggle but
there’s two ways to handle it right and
I didn’t want anyone talking about me
like my kids or my mom fishing lake you
know having to like talk at my funeral
like that’s how selfish I was at that
point that people were really worried
about that like my kids hey you know I
take him when I played in Anaheim take
him to a duck’s morning skate their
classrooms and oh your dad’s so cool and
oh my God right or my kids going to
school and and saying hey sorry man
about your dad like that’s where I was
you know and um I’m really glad that I’m
just sitting here right now being able
to to tell you you guys that that’s the
change I made in my life so yeah and I
think Shelly from my perspective as a
guy that played the game the right way
like you were big and you were tough and
you were off the ice you were a legend
and for you to talk about it and be open
about it I think it proves to anybody
out there like hey it doesn’t matter how
big and strong you are and how cool you
are if you’re dealing with something and
you need help get the help you you’re
going to get because you could come out
the other side because on paper dude
when I Knew You When You’re Sober I
didn’t think you had a problem dude I
wasn’t your best friend but I would see
you I shell I was always happy to see
you I I didn’t know right so it’s a good
message be like hey maybe on paper
everything’s good over here but you can
come out on the other side and and be
like you so I I I think it’s great you
talk about it thanks buddy yeah I I love
you yeah same I love seeing you guys and
you know there’s some people that makes
feel uncomfortable right and uh and and
that’s I’m I’m sorry for that but this
is just the way I live you know it’s
just what I’m doing now and uh and
that’s that’s just me now you’re like
I’ll put you through a 60-minute [ __ ]
Gauntlet though if you want to size if
you want to still size up you’re like
let’s go boys Jim’s over here let’s get
right there how about these buddy you
should see so Obie’s a swimmer now he
stays he’s changed my life Chang my life
life and uh I mean I love him for it
he’s his his temperature has come down I
don’t know if it’s from the pool this is
75 and cool but but getting in a workout
with this guy in the summer at Gaza
ranch right now it’s [ __ ] on the
driveway way the [ __ ] you know you
jump squats ball yeah it’s walking
lunges it’s it’s cleans and I’m like you
could still play shell I didn’t like
that when they were paying me millions
in the offseason money I didn’t like hey
are you still is that the regimen are
you still on that exactly yeah I mean um
yeah I you know part of my my life now
part of my recovery is you know there’s
a physical part to it because I know
when I retired I don’t know about you
guys but when I retired I didn’t
my God like I didn’t do anything because
I just wanted to disconnect from it all
right yeah and then
um I think I was I think I was going
horseback riding or something with Pest
and uh we’re in bath right and
um you got there’s a weight limit to
ride these horses well I didn’t see that
so we pull up around all these poor
[ __ ] horse and and they go [ __ ] hey
bud uh go step on that scale there it’s
like one of those [ __ ] wa scales that
you know the big circle like at like at
a a circus I said yeah no problem I get
on there the weight limit’s 260 I’m
265 [ __ ] I go hey come on I’m not going
to break that horse like sorry ruined
her birthday I couldn’t get on a
freaking horse like I’ll be a we’ll just
walk around B don’t worry those horses
and being this anyway hey I hey Shelly I
I feel your brother I I had to weigh in
every day my whole career so when I
retired I I never weighed in ever and I
I knew I was put the few on right I was
my pants were getting I had to buy a
bigger size it was getting tighter
finally I was like [ __ ] SS you know what
let’s jump on this thing and see where
we’re at and I jumped on and I was
[ __ ] 318 and I went holy [ __ ] I went
I got I’ve got to change my lifestyle so
I’m down to 275 now I’m down to 275 now
but I was like I looked at that scale I
go that can’t be [ __ ] right 318
playing the NFL for [ __ ]
sake when I got home I had this I had
this little scale like just a little one
right right and so I’m like that’s a
[ __ ] they wrong over there like that
be right I get home and I step on it now
I’m like 271 I give it a shake I think
the batteries out restart it I get on
I’m like [ __ ] yeah this is not good
buddy so that’s you know [ __ ] that’s
where but you know in gauer we have such
a great group of guys right that place
man so we just have like it’s just such
a nice thing to you know on on the
mornings I mean we’re playing golf or in
the water but we’ve kind of made a
little thing like hey man let’s let’s
take 30 minutes in the morning we get
together we get to have a coffee [ __ ]
do a couple walking lunges and it just
it it’s more it’s like us going for a
practice kind of you get to see the guys
and not that you don’t see him enough
but it’s just a healthy because there’s
other other ways the guys like to have
fun too so I don’t know maybe it’s just
a little bit more balance for all of us
yeah I agree and swimming for me
mentally and physically but I play
pickle ball with the boys on Mondays go
see them get a little workout in you
know so I get what you’re saying but for
me the swimming aspect as good as it’s
been for my back and hips and my joints
shell is mentally I get I come out I
come out of the tank and I just I don’t
know man I’m just like I’m ready to go
for the day kind of thing buddy when I
so a few years ago I got in really good
shape like probably my second year of
sobriety and um we did swimming and I
did it with my trainer and he was a big
dude and I’m like how hard could it be
to swim buddy one lap there and back
like I thought I was drowning I had to
stand up right I’m like [ __ ] this guy
he’s he’s 2602 and he’s just [ __ ]
ripping back and forth I’m sinking I
can’t like my backs my legs are kind of
dropping because they’re not strong I’m
my I’m like this is the hardest thing
I’ve ever and then I couldn’t stop
sweating bro yeah oh your turtle it gets
you so hot inside yeah some but the but
the pounds were were falling off but oh
my goodness I felt like such a bum first
time I did it at Big Canyon as a shall
end of the deep end and I’m like you I
get in there and there’s no lifeguard on
duty I’m thinking like if I go down I
look around there’s like a 65-year-old
woman over here I’m like I’m [ __ ]
done if I go in the deepend and I I’m
like you I can’t keep my hips up I’m
just like and I just stayed with it
Shelly and I’m glad I did because it it
has changed my life but I’m I’m with you
it was it wasn’t pretty if you see him
in there too when he first started
there’s a lot of water moving around
that moving water around he does one
breast stroke like that and the waves
are just [ __ ] going going to town I’m
like can you can you imagine if you’re
swimming and the Lifeguard jumps in to
try to save you you’re like no I’m just
swimming like I’m actually all good here
buddy I’m just on my second
lap uh Shelly I did want to ask you
buddy and yeah we’re so happy for for
the way you’re living life now but but
you were Legend in our Glory Days and I
wanted to ask you like La Newport Beach
was so great to me in upy Loops because
we kind of came out here we we worked
out we played golf we did our thing and
looking back in our era you were kind of
one of the first first guys that I knew
of that was living out in LA and
training there what what was it to La
back in the day besides you know the fun
stuff that brought you out
here well I think it was
1999
um I went in the summer and I did like
uh you know the NHL at that time was
like no one wanted to really do anything
on the side like not I don’t want to say
modeling your TV stuff but like we
weren’t really getting that many
opportunities so when I was coming up in
Jersey and I was a young guy um I got
some of these opportunities so in June I
remember uh I was in Edmonton after the
season had had uh started and dude I’m
wearing a sweater and it’s you know and
I don’t even think it’s cold it’s just
Edmonton right and they go well you got
to go to LA to film this this TV show
you got a spot on this TV show I said
perfect so I go
there and at that time um I had met a
couple people in New York that were
actors or whatever right so I go there I
get off the plane [ __ ] everyone’s
good looking the weather is
amazing you know I go and do this TV
thing I meet more people and I’m like is
it it’s like this I wow it’s nice today
like every day and I go well you know
what I’m making a million bucks I’m
spending one too when I have enough
money to to move out here I’m coming so
in 2000 you know I moved out there and
I’m like I’m not going to go to adinton
anymore my my uh my shift at eies was
done you know that was a good show a
good Tuesdays at hey 4 years so I said
yeah I’m going to go to La and you know
I met my ex-wife there and uh man I was
I was training there’s a group of guys
that you know in La the actors that like
to skate on Sunday nights or Mondays and
I don’t know I just I couldn’t believe
it it was everything thing I thought
like they showed in the movies and upy
knows where and you know like where
we’re from you don’t have a chance to
live in LA no and so I thought it was
just going to be a summer or two and you
know stay in shape and whatever and it
just I mean there’s something about it
right being from Alberta and then going
to La is like okay not not a big
decision here how did Lou lamello take
you how did Lou take you moving there if
they’re going on a TV show luded L is
that probably why he got shipped off to
Montreal shortly thereafter bro bro when
I got traded raan hul gets on the phone
and it’s at night and and we’re in
Colorado we’re played Jersey we’re in
Colorado and he calls I get traded like
nine at night and uh ran hul gets you
know Lou calls me and he says hey we
traded you I said okay yeah whatever and
ran hul gets on the thing and he said
hey uh you know good to have you he said
we’re going to get you on a rede into
Boston tonight and I said okay he goes
you’re going to play tomorrow in Boston
I said great he said we heard you don’t
sleep much anyway I said I found my
place and said finally they get me
someone who respects what I do yeah but
man Lou was he actually called me one
summer it was like in June and he says
hey well his assistant called me and
said hey we’re gonna have a uh a little
uh week down in Florida bring your golf
clubs you guys are going to do a little
bit of training but it’s Lou wants you
to go I’m like finally getting the
respect I deserve after two years he
finally gets me well I show up
and I’m waiting for dinner and there’s a
few there’s three or four of us like
Peter sakur Patty elos and tanaco and so
I’m waiting for dinner and they put this
little plate it’s about that big in
front of me with a little piece of like
uh couscous and one like
scallop and I started laughing and I’m
like what the [ __ ] man and Luke comes in
and he’s like boys you’re here for a
week you’re doing mental toughness
training it was like Navy SEAL training
we didn’t touch the golf clubs it was
just the golf club staying in the band
for a week and we’re running in the
mornings the it’s it’s like 100 degrees
in full humidity buddy I left there and
then the the last day were there the
last day were there our owner lived in
this place Lake Nona maybe you guys know
it like the golf club yeah and so David
lead better was there so we did we did
this thing and we trained and and
whatever and so the last day like we had
we had eaten like hostages for a week I
mean like nothing okay and uh so they
said okay you guys are going home
tomorrow tonight we’re going to have a
barbecue at the team owner Dr McMullan
at the time he had these two Labs big
yellow labs okay so we go over there and
there’s this huge tray of steaks okay
where the F just the smell of the
barbecue like I’m like I’m going to eat
both seven of these well we get ration
the food okay so they cut the steak up
for us you get like a half a steak and
and whatever the sides are and I’m
sitting there and I’m like I’m looking
at the stakes like when can I go in
for when can I do it my way and Dr
McMullen is taking the steak off the
tray and he’s feeding it to his Labs I
would have ate the lab I was like this
is this is
unbelievable uh he’s feeding the steak
to the dog and we’re sitting there
looking at each other like I don’t think
he likes us bab that is mental toughness
that is old school mentality starve the
boys the fighting words though it was
man it was C I remember Lou whipped the
sure so we had this like 6 a.m. run so
we’re getting up at like
5:30 and it was really hot and humid
this morning and you guys know Lou and
uh so we get up and our jog was like a
couple miles right I couldn’t go
freaking 200 meters Jog and to walk like
now I’m on of shape so Lou Lou comes up
and he’s talking to me the sun just came
up and he whips his shirt off and he’s
like
I’m in as good shape as you he’s you
know this little guy whips his shirt off
he’s 65 years old he I’m in better shape
than you I’m like [ __ ] he he kind of
was though I’m like you that bud like
good angle Lou you look pretty good
there bud H like wow
AR Scotty Gomez couldn’t have been doing
too much running at 5:30 in the morning
was he no chairy we also had for the
Summers that summer I moved to LA we had
Pell bu’s dad came and trained us so he
trained us for like month right and so
we had to do this running and we had to
do these agility drills and I remember
being with uh Gomer he just won Rookie
of the Year so he he was good right he
was like I I’ll never work out again in
my life gum set and uh pav bur’s dad man
like he thought we were pav bur and we
were not that’s not the way we played
but he had us doing some things and I
wanted to quit hockey I just signed a
contract I’m like I don’t know if I can
do this B
this is
hard I hear you I I hear some of the
stuff they made us do back in the day I
don’t know if it helped our career for
sure I some of the workouts I have
nightmares of that that wind gate I
still have nightmares of that stupid
Cybex bike that white one with the
[ __ ] weights on and I I I look at
that thing with the V2 like the
10-minute V2 where they just keep piling
it on hard I’m like what is this doing
here yeah this is not good uh my draft
year I was out of shape I’ll tell you
guys this my draft year I was really out
of shape cuz I broke my leg fighting
brat Meers right and so I only played
like 40 games my draft year was you know
rated kind of high and then started
fallen and uh so you remember they do
those draft combines where they bring in
all like the top prospects right and so
I broke my leg in January now this is
like in may now I haven’t done anything
so they’re like well we’re going to get
you out to this uh draft combat I think
it was like brainer Minnesota or
something you remember that yeah and uh
and so okay did the wind gate did the V2
obviously if there’s 50 guys there I’m
I’m like number 50 like lose 49 right
I’m 50 and uh we had the bench press
remember it was 135 pounds and you had
to do as many reps to the beeps
like so okay you’re up so I get it and I
push her off the thing okay go
one they go you weren’t ready we’ll try
again I go no just put me down for one
good buddy first first time I came I I
wasn’t even good I wasn’t even a
prospect to go to the combine but I
think it was Jersey or I went to a a
workout and they’re like pull-ups I’m
like pull [ __ ] I
[ __ ] they’re like you want you want to
go again I said no no I don’t want to go
again and if you give me if you give me
one that’s one more that I was going to
get anyway I’m like where told my agent
save your money on the ticket for us to
go to the draft it didn’t go that great
Bud we’ll watch it from home he we’ll
watch it from home oh Shelly I got to
ask you uh first time I ever played
against year in Montreal I got it was my
second year in the league I was in Tampa
you guys beat us and I was waiting out
the room and and you came walking down
of the the Habs room and you had the
[ __ ] fur jacket on and you had the
hair going and I’m like first of all
where is he going and second of all [ __ ]
do I wish I could go with him but how
like how how was Montreal man not to
like but it must have been cuz you
played hard and you were stud and then I
mean that was my favorite road City
bonot buddy I mean I love and you had
Theo in his prime there too hey you two
just Savages buddy well it’s a good
thing that that he was French and I was
English because then there was enough
room for all of us right if we if I
would have been French he would have
hated me and I if he was English I would
have hated him um Matt it was awesome
you know coming from a place like Jersey
where things were really structured and
they they are maybe the best
organization in the league or they for
sure were at that time um but you so you
fly private and you stay all the nice
and so they were doing that before the
PA made all these changes and so really
great organization but really felt
like uh like I was being babysat all the
time you know so I go to
Montreal uh up you know growing up when
we grew up you were either an nor fan or
Flames fan you weren’t really like a
Montreal fan you weren’t a Toronto fan
you kind of hated those teams at least
it was that’s how it wasn’t my house so
when I got traded to Montreal I’m like
[ __ ] you know I that when I told you I
got traded and I was flying that night
from
Boston all I could think about was like
how am I going to look in a blue helmet
like I like watch helmet you know so
[ __ ] I got to wear a blue helmet and uh
I love and I got there man and we we had
great guys we sucked but we had real
like whin rich and you know Scott chance
and lynon and Corset so it was fun as
soon as I got there and it was a real
wakeup call because I got traded kind of
at the deadline that year and so I only
played I think maybe 15 or 19
games but it was like a wake up called
like whoa dude this is this is like the
NHL like this to me was like oh this is
a different thing because of the crowd
and how many people were wearing like
Montreal Canadian to the games and the
way they were producing it um so that
immediately I just felt like and like I
said the management was different I felt
like I could just kind of be myself a
little more and uh I wasn’t looking at
like I’d be there forever right I
thought they’d get tired of me and I’m
not F you know I’m not a french guy so
they probably just trade me anyway so I
was just it was such short-term stuff
that ended up um I loved it if you can
play there you can play Anywhere yeah
you know it’s going to it’s going to
show you right away same as Vancouver
man and and I I love my two years in Van
I I wish I could have stayed longer
there was reasons why I couldn’t but I
mean if if you could play in a Canadian
Market especially Montreal then you
could you can handle anything and how
did you like the media there and dealing
with that did did you kind of intimidate
them and they left you alone or how how
was the media when you played there the
media was okay I think you know when I
got there I obviously I was
having up to that point my career was
much different than it ended up being um
so I think there was like a little
expectation out of me you know and so
they weren’t like the first year or two
they weren’t really you know I got hurt
right away so I don’t think there was a
whole lot of expectation on
me
um so I I was just kind of like when I
would do media I I didn’t hate it I kind
of embraced it like I said you know I
was just kind of wanted to be a good guy
because I seen that
if you don’t get along with the media
there they can make life tough on you
right and so I’m like well I don’t need
any more stress in my life so I’ll be
good with these guys I’m an English guy
I only have to deal with one kind of
reporter it wasn’t like I didn’t have to
do interviews in French and English uh
so right away I was like pretty
comfortable with it and
um I kind of grew up as a professional
in that City and and I kind of grew up
with those people if if that makes sense
you know like yeah wasn’t some you know
I wasn’t Jose Theodore he had a lot of
expectation on him and I didn’t so it
was different for me Shelly so what do
you remember back so in ‘ 04 we get
locked out what the [ __ ] did you do
because you came back in you came back
in 05 06 as a different guy I mean you
had 39 points then you come back at 26
goals 64 points Theodore I remember Theo
was a guy I think he was fresh off his
heart trophy signs a new deal when we
come back to play gets rolled back 24%
he said the roll back he got rolled back
I’m like so so what like bring me back
there what was it like when you came
back after that full locking because you
just I mean you upped your game and what
was that you remember anything from them
yeah well that that happened to me too
so that season before the lockout I had
a pretty good year it changed a little
bit I might have had nine goal I don’t
even know what my stats were but I had
my career high was probably three and I
might have had like seven or you got 15
you got 15 and 0304 35 points 15 Snipes
so that’s that’s a big 104 pimps more
importantly 104 pimps out a baby yeah a
lot of 10 a lot of tens end the game um
but I so after that season I signed a
four-year deal I signed a four-year deal
and I’m
like yeah I know [ __ ] I could retire
after this I just made 10 million bucks
man like this is
amazing okay lock out we miss the season
there goes two and a half roll back 25%
there goes that and so the so I was I
had a contract for three more years with
that roll back and then you guys know
we’re paying into escrow and this 10
million contract turns out to be about a
million bucks or two million bucks nuts
it’s nuts um it was it was crazy but I
don’t know I felt like
um I felt like I I’d had a little a
little past of success and I like that
feeling I like people you know I like
going to buote at night and people
knowing who you are right waiting in
line with the fur coat on I like when
you wear the fur coat and you go right
in um and so it just the things just
started quick I also got hurt I broke my
hand and I remember um they said well
you might not play
again I just had a baby um you know I
was married at the time was living in La
I’m like no I’m going to play again like
you know and so I kind of got in my mind
that if you get another when you get
another opportunity it has to be
different than than it was cuz what I
was doing
wasn’t wasn’t really working and you
know what I got to I I will say this
about L
larel when he traded me um he said this
is going to be good for you like you
have more to give maybe we are getting
it out of you and I didn’t like the
coach in Jersey at the time Robbie ftor
he didn’t like me and he said you have
so much more to give and it was kind of
a parting kicking the balls but also
kind of at the time that’s what I took
it as looking back that was like a hey
man you got
you got more to give and you’re going to
get the opportunity so go and do it and
so just went to Sweden for that lockout
and when I came back you get a a deep
sense of gratitude and appreciation for
playing in the NHL when you got to go
play in Sweden in a small town for four
months or five months uh so getting back
that year I was pretty happy to be back
in and and games being being played yeah
so I loved your game as a defense I
always thought we’d be a nice D- pair
you’d have to play the right side but I
could slide over for your
onetime one time I remember one night
Dallas I’m like Shelly F keep her keep
her down just a bit just keep her down
just a bit but I want to talk to you
about about fighting because there was
nobody tougher you were a lefty I used
to tell Kessler Burrows if you [ __ ]
get Shelly going I’ll fight you in
practice tomorrow but you used fighting
as kind of uh like what did you think of
fighting because you were a good enough
player that you didn’t have to fight but
you had it there how did you kind of use
fighting as a tool I guess well OBS I I
know you know this feeling right I know
you know it that fighting is the most
stressful job in hockey yeah I mean I
don’t I just don’t care what you say if
you got to go for a day or two days or
three days knowing you got to fight
Brash or Tony twist or you know the list
goes on right Chris Simon Rand Meyers
whoever yeah
um I didn’t like that feeling like I in
juniors I was I was tough and I and I
liked I like sticking up for my
teammates but when I got to the NHL I’m
like I got no chance like Matt Johnson
oh they’re monsters they’re monsters all
exact that’s like the middleweek guys
right those those like I wasn’t GNA go
fight like Bob Probert but the next guy
in line is you know whoever Ryan Vanden
Bush yeah didn’t like that right Fu was
a killer um and so when I got the
opportunity to kind of play a little
more and play the power play and we had
a lot of injuries it wasn’t like I was
The Shining Star that they said okay
now’s your opportunity it was like okay
well [ __ ] we got eight guys on De her I
guess you know guess this guy’s going so
either this guy or the assistant trainer
so I got out there and um and things
just just started kind of clicking and
then you know it felt good to have
coaches said we don’t want we need you
on the ice we don’t want you to fight
because you guys know like that’s that’s
a man’s world man and I didn’t love
living in it like if I had to stay there
I I would have been out of the league in
a year or two because I’m just not that
level of tough yeah and listen you you
are that level of tough but I know what
you’re saying because I did it
throughout the American League to stick
around improve my skills and then I did
it to make the NHL then I got traded to
Tampa and they went there and they said
let’s just play OBS we we traded a first
R to just play and then everything was
great then I went I got traded to
Vancouver and shell I was right back to
like okay you got to be physical you got
to be fighting Mike Gils is like you
been in a fight and you know 10 games
I’m like I’m fourth in the league in
fights the [ __ ] else do you want for me
I was like I gotta go back here again
and do this all it’s it’s it’s really
grinding on you yeah it’s hard like
mentally it it was it was tough and so
having an opportunity to to play a
different way and um you know it’s just
sometime you guys know it’s just luck
sometimes you get put on and you know
I’m playing on a uh power play with
Andre marov and Alex Cobb like you could
have put anybody out there and they
would have scored 10 goals you know it
just happened that we started we started
going and and you know uh started having
a little bit of success and I I like
that more than I I um like I I just
didn’t like the I just wasn’t that kind
of guy now I could play the other thing
is I knew that playing like that like
you know I played with Scotty Stevens
and Chelly was my idol growing up and I
seen some guys Lyall odine is a a good
example too um you know being tough gets
you a little like I could cross check as
good as anybody so and then I would just
say you know what uh I don’t care if I
get a suspension I’ll Club you over the
head and then so guys kind of don’t know
what what’s going to happen um so it was
just kind of like that was just my so my
game was able to evolve and give me a
little room to you know to to guys
weren’t coming in to run me now in the
corner exactly and so I had a little
time to to I had an extra second or two
to go off the glass out yeah no but sh
just real quick sh you’re so right and
it was also a thing if if I looked at a
guy and I kind of knew okay I got you
fella you’re not really going to do
anything to me and and also I wanted
that extra second like I I don’t want
this guy to run me in the corner cuz I
need that extra second to go D Tod or to
make that play So I’m with you that’s
why I did it as well to give me a little
more time to to make a play there were
certain guys that that went on to earn
that right you know it’s like the wrers
or Chara or Weber like where they’ like
you know what [ __ ] you you come around
me I don’t need I don’t need to fight
you but if you come around me I’m going
to [ __ ] i’ kick your ass or spear you
in the face and that that is a dynamic
you you didn’t ever want to [ __ ] with
those guys I mean Pro they put proger in
jail for his cross checks in front of
that nowadays prg used to like progs
used to just kill guys bro we used to
when I was in Jersey I mean we had we
had uh Scott Stevens Lyle
oeline uh Ken danaco you used to cross
check a guy in front of the net his
helmet used to come off you’d go to the
bench the coaches would be like that was
such a good
play a couple more of those T it was
like getting a hat trick when you come
off after crosschecking someone um and
then the game just changed right and and
I also think if I’m being honest just
thinking about it right now I think as
the rules changed a little bit and
fighting started to become like a maybe
the stage fighting a little less it also
gave me an opportunity to be like well
okay maybe uh Francis lard isn’t going
to come after me tonight like he’s not
even going to play so you it just the
game was kind of evolving and uh you
just got to kind of evolved with it I
guess yeah that’s a great Point by you
and in our era especially it got to and
I love Brian mcgr I told biger when we
were back down the jungle riding the
iron along I’m like you guys got so big
and so tough that you guys about kind of
became just like stage fighting kind of
so I didn’t have to worry about fighting
them because I was getting a regular
shift where when you came up prob and
those boys they were part of the game
like it wasn’t like kind of through my
era you know what I mean yeah totally
and and and mcgr was playing in AWA when
I was a Montreal and he used to skate
across the red line and go I’m coming
after you tonight and I said yeah well
you’re going to get one of [ __ ] these
so I’m ready for you and just that I’m
like oh my God don’t come after me
tonight or you’re going to embarrass me
it’s Saturday night we got the day off
tomorrow just and and so but you but you
never know right like just someone
saying that like prongs you weren’t
afraid he was going to fight you
necessarily but you weren’t like in a
real hurry to get in the corner or go to
the front of the net and that’s the
difference in the you know it’s it’s a
second here a second there yeah just
makes all the difference in the world I
love I love that that was your mindset
that Saturday night we had a day off cuz
I used to be that in Vancouver I’m like
[ __ ] we got tomorrow like just nobody
hit me in the face anything but the be I
got a night lined up here just don’t
[ __ ] hit with a stick or something
exactly and don’t lose 71 yeah practice
tomorrow yeah shell you’ll love this I’m
chasing this bastard down in Nashville
on Aid Friday night Saturday night game
with the night off after and I’m staying
over and I’m chasing him behind the net
and sure as [ __ ] I go to lift up his
stick and I get him right between the
eyes for like for 10 Zips right I’m like
I look up I believe he down to the
corner like [ __ ] send in the Box I’m
laughing he’s bastard I’m like hey after
the game I’m like [ __ ] keep your stick
down by the way meet me at my Pat I got
a few things L up for on the ice you’re
like I’m gonna get you I’m GNA get you
after the game you’re like oh dude yeah
good game shell Shelly I could do this
all day with you buddy but the last
thing I got to say is uh I was lucky
enough to go to the Playboy Mansion
three times but my man you were the
first guy that took me there you took me
there under your wing so I’ve always
I’ve always had gratitude for you on
that way my man you got me to the
mansion you open up the light for me and
I was lucky enough to go there few board
ties but thank you for that the light is
still shining if you I just remember me
luk from we were last guys standing
there we’re like I think party’s over
before I got leave yeah I go [ __ ] I go I
got to lead but where’s OBS and there’s
half with about 15 and there was be with
him BR GI a moment I said
I I guess he’s St he’s good ant yeah uh
Shelly at all seriousness buddy uh we’re
so happy for you buddy me and the up dog
love you keep it going let’s try to te
it up sometime soon and and thank you
for taking the time brother BR bro thank
you guys man keep keep kicking ass we
need more guys like you
and I don’t take it lightly you know we
talked about some some heavy things
thank you guys for giving me that space
and thank you for you guys supporting me
through my life you know just uh ups and
downs and and none of us are perfect but
you guys let me know was okay to not be
perfect so tremendous honor respect for
you guys thanks for having me on thanks
fell love you
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buddy