Southgate to United & Dodging International Duty | Stick to Football EP 23

Welcome back to Stick to Football, brought to you by SkyBet, with Gary Neville, Roy Keane, Ian Wright and Jill Scott.

With Jamie Carragher away we kick things off with Manchester United’s 4-3 win over Liverpool in a dramatic FA Cup quarter-finals.

It’s the international break and the panel discuss Manchester United’s Kobbie Mainoo and his first ever call-up for the England senior squad.

Will Gareth Southgate replace Erik ten Hag in the Old Trafford dugout and do the international friendlies distract teams in the final stage of the domestic season?

Finally, we end with Community Questions, will Nottingham Forest avoid the drop after their points deduction and what is the best sports documentary that hasn’t been made yet?

If you liked the episode don’t forget to let us know in the comments and if you want to listen only you can catch Stick to Football on all major podcast platforms.

CHAPTERING

00:00 Promo
00:50 Behind the Scenes
20:05 Introduction
20:32 FA Cup reaction – Manchester United 4-3 Liverpool
26:55 Best football rivalry
34:56 Gareth Southgate to Manchester United?
41:01 Kobbie Mainoo’s England call-up
51:34 March internationals
01:02:00 Community Questions
01:02:10 Will Nottingham Forest’s beat the drop after their point deduction?
01:04:00 Best sport documentary not made yet?

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I only pulled out two friendlies one under Glen he wasn’t happy and then the boss rang him they I can imagine they blast him yeah that it’s awkward is it it was awkward with England you sharp sharp studs and training boo that far off the ground his eyes looking at you

He’s crazy I think it’s good to have a fight with some let make all best buies with each other yeah I don’t think you should stop someone who be when I was a manager when I was a manager obviously players are getting called up I’d be

Ashamed of my life to bring a player and go you’re not going see G Southgate standing on the line and the way he will be he’s got the the stature to be a man united manager that didn’t feel right at the end why but you just pull out like

Mar and Spencer’s bag he I need to shake the ball but you know what people saying what was he doing to Stevie wonderful I wasn’t doing Stevie Wonder I was just making sure I wasn’t looking in and I was going like this you not taking it

Very well you lot have you you don’t take defeats very well I thought just a little bit sort of little bit scruffy since Sunday out you a bit like sort of bit took off off the gas yeah hey Jurgen a little bit jumpy can I just

Say can I say with the um the celebration at home was gold my God oh my God I was never honestly was screaming the kids were running around it felt oh my God was it a beautiful thing oh it was beautiful it was such a

Good game like the way it ended as well it was so beautiful hey bumped into him last night in the restaurant who Dall he he done well D really has you know was very this season you know I was very surprised with that um you think no it’s

Not taller taller but what was really surprising remember when they played Fon in that game a couple of weeks ago and they didn’t start in but they put F they started Fon but they didn’t start in but then he came on in that game I was thinking with his experience Rangers

Before and everything I thought they would have started him yeah thought they would have started him you Sayo or do oh do no you know I love you know I love do you know I love do but I’m talking about Dio yeah yeah but over the last month or

So it’s been a bit of a sorry it’s been a bit of a odd one that he’s not been given a chance cuz obviously a few others H kieran’s gone now our our Lia puddle and Friends left us we just saw a little Glimpse on

Sunday of what it’s going to be like in the future when the the lion Rises and Roars again and the hyenas the hyenas you’re getting ahead of yourself the has disappeared back about Lion King back into the jungle back in two weeks back into the jungle oh yeah he is

I forgot about that they got have they got in two weeks gotle in the league we’ve got United haven’t we oh yeah yeah so we’re back hey don’t mess it up we won’t mess it up don’t mess it up promise you say you say that Kier you

Say that don’t mess it up my friend you say that Kieran but like that’s that game against United lost the league at this stage of the season when oh I did say that if if I have to look back at this season go Anthony the ra Liverpool

Season well that could happen it could I feel like everyone was buzzing about him and still got what one goal one assist in like why you trolling why you trolling give Andy a chance man give a brother a chance a little bit of arrogance I felt really bad for him for some reason

Little bit of arrogance you were too good he was fuming though weren’t you about having a change position going to left back or something you know what that’s the thing I’d never complained you know what I couldn’t I remember I remember Steve Copp when I first when I was at Palace

For a while he used to play me in all the positions right back left back Center off just to you can understand so you can understand where what you do you know what I mean i’ play anywhere an’s we used to play Gary Right Back left back in the CH I played it

Right back for a while remember you play center off did you play center off Ro played Roy played at right back for a bit when he was just to join the club because uh he was struggling to settle in and iny and Brian mcir were playing very

Well you couldn’t leave a 3.5 million sign now that was that was like an 80 million sign respect 3.5.6 36 3.7 how much do you think you’d be now 3.77 I think I I think now I found right back position honestly I was just about

To say the same thing what was de rice 100 100 yeah you’d be 100 you’d be 100 he’d be 100 wow ni it R right back easiest position I think right back’s the easiest yeah in front you with a wing see everything do remember I think that’s to

Be fair subjective right back yeah I think because if you’re playing against let’s say you’re playing know who I struggled against I played against city was it a be GRE was it oh Peter B chopping you he’s chopping you back and forward you play against a wide player

You’re play against a wide player that’s quick or got some skill right back’s not easy no like if you’re playing in Midfield against eil and Parkinson at Everton and they can’t pass the ball and they just B this way I went to right back right listen and I done a listen i’

Done a decent job for the team right I know we were strong you couldn’t go into Midfield and do what I was doing oh no that’s I get that I I’ll get that because right back’s easier to do yeah it’s easier to do Gary don’t don’t you got less challenges you done

Bril everything’s in front of you you done brilliantly at right back but it was easier to do I think for 10 years my career has been ridiculed since I finished he just get picked up no I don’t right play 62 times for manchest United right back you would have played

That in any other position 150 games at Center back Center back did you yeah I played center back with Roy a couple times I’m not taking that away from your career but you would have only played that in right back you couldn’t have played anyone anywhere else

Fullback no AB maybe Center back no I think Gary could have been a good right center back today in a back three he could play right center back yeah anyone can play in the back TR EAS it’s true to be honest me I could me and Roy could

Play in a back right the hardest position on the pitch goalkeeper Center Midfield the second the second Pitch Center forward really no 100% Midfield hard Center forward is the hardest position on the pitch you got to receive the B it’s the only position on the pitch Center forward where you have to

Receive the ball with your back to play for Man City on a constant basis right everywhere else in the game you got Midfield sometimes but more often than not now Midfield players they receive the ball on the half turn faceing play you know what I mean sometimes the ball

Number 10’s goalkeeper you say is the hardest goalkeeper the hardest position why I think the most isolated position on the pitch I think by far it’s difficult at a big Club when you go you think of ramsdale you think of Anana you think of sort of like get to use their

Harus at Liverpool you think of a big Club playing as a goalkeeper I say it’s a horrible I think Striker what the hardest no I think I can goalkeeper I think Center Midfield and he thinks white bu I think Midfield Midfield people hit you from that angle

You got to be able to get up the pitch you got to play with can make a mistake in Midfield and you’re covered by center backs right backs Defenders goalkeepers you you you can’t really do a lot wrong in Midfield yeah but that’s not to you didn’t ask that

Question that’s if you you make mistakes as a goalkeeper yeah you’re in huge trouble yeah I think goalkeepers you miss chances you miss chances of forward and it’s again it’s just a big but look at the physical challenges if you’re playing the middle of park I’m going

Back a few years if you’re a goalkeeper you can play till you’re 40 fullbacks play to their 40 Lads in the middle of the park it’s just different demands on your body well well said Jo righty the reason I’ve heard Roy say this actually the hardest thing in football is putting

The ball on the back of the net right for some people yeah so let’s let’s just concentrate on that and then one of the hardest things in football is receiving the ball with your back to play with with a Defender behind you knowing that they can step in front

Of you so to me Center forward is definitely the hardest position in the Outfield positions and goalkeeper is the hardest position at a big Club just feel the center half side on receive set pull off shoot yeah but you come into the game when like when when I came in you

And you have to learn it I didn’t even know anything about having to hold up and Link play and make space for someone else to come in so then when you you know when when you’re now getting into a place where when you get there when we’re playing like that because he’s

Going to be running up here he’s going to be back in your you can’t lose that so I’m just thinking oh my God I can’t L and it was one of the most nerve-racking when I played half when I played right back I found it okay Center half against

A good Striker it was it’s tough you don’t know someone’s got good movement and just spinning him behind you would have played right back against the top left Winger of course I did you’re right you played against Sheffield United once remember at home in in the early look at

Your face you know I’m right I remember put wordss in my mom I definitely played 25 games at right back for my United not sure who was the toughest Winger so basically he came in 93 93 so I was 18 so I was literally watching the

Right back our youth team coach used to make us watch the right back position we used to have to go and report to our um youth team coach on the on the Monday after and talk he’d ask us questions about who played at right back who

Played at Center back how did they play how do you think they played so we I would watch the right back he played about 10 15 games at right can we find out how many games he played at right back going to find out3 the 93 94 season

He played in sheffeld United at home it switch 9 nil scored yeah see I got forward got the first score he he he played in what would be the inferior type games at fullback right and then what happened was sometimes Sharpie would go left back and Dennis would go

Right back it was when I was coming through and he dipped Me In dipp Me Out type thing so were you looking thinking I can take his shirt is that why you went I was just looking out to be fair I was looking at why we signed this play

For 4 million pound and played him right back yeah 3.75 sorry 3.75 no to be fair at the time iny and Chucky were in Midfield so he sometimes put your right back in truthfully one of the reasons he played I was du a horny operation at the

End of the season he said physically you’re struggling man so we put you in a right back I swear I’m telling you as if you can with it ins the end it right you I couldn’t get away with pack do you know your running distances at right

Back can be a lot further at at United at home can be a lot further than a Midfield player by the way quite often my running stats going up and down that Wing were far greater than the Midfield you sitting there doing that little turn and passing it forward and just sort of

SL sliding across and shuffling I’d be the one that I’m going ask you a simple question what system did United play for years when we right so I think the two midfielders were doing oh no I you did a lot of running I get that but my point

Is when when we were winning games when we were winning in games he would sometimes like he would do early days would do quite a lot running box to box but towards the end he wasn’t doing was he the holding guy the like the six was the brains you know what I mean

Yeah you’re kind of insulting me there’s a couple of insults coming this because it’s like I’m feeling like the more more we listening the more you’re getting on my man it’s that I played center half I played right back and I’m telling you middle of the pth forward I think did

Right back yeah it did yeah but pear used to run the least didn’t Forest got P that’s what he was like at the end yeah but that was cuz the don’t do like unnecessary running but p i was discussing Polo this morning and we and

We looked the same me and P yeah same P had amini and tuo either side two Runners that could cover for him basically but he used to just be so technical he didn’t can I say just quickly on poow I remember sha got into

The England under 21s and I was I was in Spain at the time I had to fly back to watch it hopefully that he get he was on the bench he didn’t come on I was like I was gutted cuz plat was manager at the town for come all the way back doesn’t

Even play but the the bonus was Perlo was in the Midfield and that was the first time I’ve seen him yeah it was at Bradford and it was like was watching brilant play 5 year olds it was like you know what I felt happy playing he was playing Center Midfield was Ro Hudson

Had him into Milan and he said he was a number 10 at the start oh I’m not honestly it was like that helps them when you go back to that sit midfielder you obviously got all that composure range of passes it was one of the best performances I’ve seen a player of that

Age and what he was doing it felt like you were watching a a a coach you were coaching like 10 year olds what to do every time he got it was a master class under 21s he was you’ll know that we we when we played them in I was the second

Time when we beat them Jon partman marked him the whole game Man mark p just literally stood on him did he stop him he did did he not think of doing that when you were with England I I remember I remember that with England because I remember when he he got beat

He picked the ball up right in the back someone should be tight on him 2012 we played the quarterfinal yeah he I I don’t I mean we didn’t mind Mark him what what Roy what Roy wanted to we had we had well second Rooney there Midfield was Parker and

Gerard so basically what he wanted to do he wanted them four to stay close together leave the center backs with it who I think bonucci or whatever and he wanted the the he wanted the four to work together to try and make sure that one of them did that so that he didn’t

Man Mark him but stopping it up with of course he did against Italy he had I think 110 I remember I remember there’s one in particular when he dropped I think for their goal for when they go he dropped back and everyone just left it

And he hit a ball I don’t know 40 yards and I was like what you’ve got to watch this so intelligent weren he so intelligent but that’s why I mean he didn’t have to run I remember he used to have the lest running stats he was just

Like brilliant yeah I I was actually amazed watching United for the last few years why sky Wasn’t Man marked every game if you stopped him in the latter part of his career in that last last three or four years getting it from a fullback or a center back it was a

Switch of play if you stopped the switch of play the whole team was out of position he would literally pin point to say whoever take R christiano’s left wing he literally would find him and if you stop it there he’s one of them players you have to mark everywhere they

Are they did not I think West Brom what’s the guy Robinson at West Brom the the fullback yeah hean mared in one game I remember was he good he did he did all right with it but eventually SC started dragging him everywhere but basically no one man marked him whenever we played

With that role though I feel like everyone tried to take out like Kira Walsh is that role and I think it’s the most important roll on the pitch and teams used to try and take her out all the time yeah yeah but she was me that was a strange wasn’t it usually star

Player my M yeah rodri be close someone should be close on him and stopping him getting the ball rodri I think if you stop him at city I’m not saying you stop everything you don’t but I think he stop a lot yeah I think he stop Roger stop a lot he’s a

Big player his influence on their team is unbelievable unable how he just links everything together they’ve got s even if you stop you’ve got so they’ve got so much if you stop him you’re taking somebody out to stop they going to create space somewhere are going to kill

You stop at England we practice Man Mark and I don’t know if it was with Phil and I was on the other team and I’m following the midfielder literally she was running off the pitch and she was going to the toilet and ially I followed her off the pitch said wherever she goes

You go I was like right did you was as a joke just no no I didn’t realize I was like why you TCH like I took my job would be Phil you know so we used to have this game um we Eric Harrison used to have this game one

Sweeper at the back could only go couldn’t go over the third final third and that every other player on the pitch was manto man you could only tackle that player it was a fitness game it was it was a bit of mentally it was a cuz they

Always put you up against someone and it was a oh it was a tough game yeah we used to do that Martin ke itin Jesus was that what you it was you know yeah but the thing is it helped it helped being Martin K because if you’ve got somebody like Martin who’s marking

You in training like every day you you’ve got to do something to get away from him you have to you know what I mean and even if you get away if you do get away from him he still scratch you he still catch you he still doesn’t make

It easy for you to get away he with England sharp sharp studs training like boots are that far off the ground when you put them if you put them on this hard surface his boots were you’re up here and his eyes looking at you like yeah he’s crazy like he going to kill

You but like it was a good thing it was a good thing that was that was a good thing to be marked by someone that that aggressive yeah was he one of the toughest that you came up against in terms of just being Str yeah before before he signed for Arsenal he was

Tough to play but then once I started to play against him every day you kind of learn certain things and then what you do when you get marked by a player that’s that aggressive and that tight it’s up to the the service like some like a Dennis or M or whatever it is

Because then if you lose them for a bam you scored their jobs nullified it’s like you didn’t do your job yeah so you don’t have to be actually trying to get it and beat them and do stuff just need to get your spin your spin was good I

Love you know where I got that off of Lin L spin was good was it l spin was awesome I remember he used to do it to Dez Walker and it was tough against was he a quick could spin he was sharp upstairs I mean like when he got in

Front because like I said I see him do it against Dez and score um and it’s all to do with the service you’re getting girl the man on the ball you know I remember Dez cuz Dez talks so much but always smelt amazing he had unbelievable after sh all the time never stopped

Talking I thought Des walk was quiet just never did an interview no no Jesus Christ if you want if you need if you want half an hour in fact let’s get Dez walk next week if you want half an hour where you don’t need to say anything you

Just need to listen just say Dez what about that new Porsche bam 45 minutes worth if you get on a plane at England right and you’re sitting by the window you’ve had a nightmare if Dez comes in and sits cuz you’re just there all day going

Like that yep Y for the whole flight but unbelievable guyes yeah good guy yeah really the there’s hardest Defenders I’ve ever played against cuz you never got an even a sniff but what he never spoke publicly to anybody there Med he’s one of the great lads

Broer one of the great doesn’t it yeah one of the great the thing is with Dez he would say to me well when we go and speak England talk he said listen you can make all the moves you’re doing but the level that he was at I’m not looking at what you’re

Doing I’m looking at how much time the midfielder’s got how much time is it when he passes it to him what move what you do because you’ve got to start making your move because once he gets it if his head goes down You’ have had to

Make the move already You’ have had to do something to me to move me so he’s watching him so he’s not even bother about me so then I had to think [ __ ] Jesus I’m going to have to go some I’m going to have to go again in respects of

Learning how I’m going to have to beat a defender of this caliber Dez always said people thought he was liting quick he was obviously he was quick he said but not as fast as people thought he said his strength was reading the game read the game so I was there before obviously

Was that when he was playing against you in training he would say that cuz I always think they’re the best teammate aren’t they thing like you see like in training like in training if you make a movie say well see I I know you’re not going to get anything there but like

Like I say if you get de at the breakfast table or at lunch and you’re speaking to him and and he goes in and he starts he’ll just tell you stuff nuggets I was when I was a young player Forest you know you looking for senior

Players I I st pi and Dez but I used to see piy piy was a proper Pro we’d come in was Dez but I’d be out nodding him at night time and I see Dez in these bars and I’d be like I want to be like Dez I

Want to be like piery as well I was torn between the two piery been a really tough one des’s yes who were you more like he’s in between he actually made made best of both welcome to stick to football brought to you by skyber and this week

I’m joined by Jill righty and Roy we will be talking about the Fallout of the Liverpool Manchester United game kobby Mayu getting drafted into the England squad and Gareth southg and the fact that he’s getting linked quite strongly with the job of Manchester United manager you some I was watching the game

On Sunday before the game and I don’t my wife home my daughter said what he got in his hand I said it’ll be a p I said it’ll be a pen no it’s not it’s like my I I have a real problem with sitting notice how I’ll be

Able to sit still since I’ve been add this in my because if I haven’t got this in my hand hold I’m sitting I can’t sit fcking stress mechanism yeah I have to touch my face I’m all over the place I’m looking for stuff but like when I’ve got

That then I’m able to I’m able to like just have it in my hand and concent you in your on Sunday I on cheap I tried to hide it I tried to hide it but like it makes me very calm it makes me chill you

Get me you have it what’ you say you didn’t have it when you were doing the draw did you it was in my pocket that didn’t feel right at the end why what you just pull out like a matx and Spencer’s bag did you hear him say I need to shake

The ball but you know what I can’t believe how much people how many people got crazy over that because but it’s only four balls in I think people were a little bit upset about the fact that there was like we didn’t know who was one two three and

Four that was a great draw F thing is is that the main the main thing is is that they’re so stringent on don’t look in the bag make sure that when the bag is tight before you open it so you’re not looking in so in the end people saying

What was you doing the Stevie Wonder for I wasn’t doing Stevie Wonder I was just making sure I wasn’t looking in and I was going like this and it looked like Stevie Wonder but I didn’t want people to say a that draw was wrong still people slaughtered you but I thought it was

It was the most what’s the word uh it wasn’t Rod Stewart oh I remember it felt the most amateure sort of like B bit 1955 that’s a draw that would take place like 40 years ago because even when I said to them where we doing they said here by the

Death and it was like did you want to do it but you know what they were really the big mistake was you didn’t know the team’s numbers that the big I think that that was know who it is good point but at the same time you go number one

Cry and you go number three Manchester United why do you need to know you know I’m telling you who it is yeah but you don’t know before and you soon as comment came out basically United changed numbers did this that’s what people would say but like they were so like nervous about

Make sure you do it this I said listen don’t ask me to do it no more it’s quite nerve-wracking though it is man don’t ask they ask to do again I was asked a couple in the game could you imagine if he done it and man united came out

Against col yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and it was great but you’re de neutral I was being neutral I was being neutral I thought I was very good neutral as well yeah it was a Strang just have a up dra I liked it but it was I’ll do the next

Round but you know what I didn’t even realize at the time just quick me so i’ done ComEd at man united so we know what’s next and I was so close to saying well we know who’s next I don’t what’s the point of dra I was actually texting

You going happy St Patrick’s Day and everything and then I turned the Telly on and you were there I was like walk on a Sunday where were you Jill uh I was in the coffee shop we had like St Patrick’s Day so I had a little drink for Roy I

Saw a hat I saw you saw you hat on well I had a hat and a beard and he said nice hat I was like you do know I’ve got a beard on this beard on notice that get a beard on well work in St Patrick’s Day Irish coffee yeah Irish coffee yeah

Of course I thought you’d be celebrating I was at the game that was a great game it was a great it was nice to actually i’ I’ve not seen Old Trafford like I feel like oh they needed that you know it was really funny just quickly because

Where we’re sitting you got the United fans right there so so with graham obviously Graham’s there and as soon as United score he goes because he know they giving him CL of stick it was really fun to watch man it was fun to watch so he turned around

So he couldn’t hear him and they were baging the window they W listen neutral it was a great so good so good you must have been buzzing though were you good yeah goals bit of entertainment United need that the fans need it I’ve not seen

It all travel like that for a long yeah yeah they needed that bit of a boost it was a mad game I thought quality wasse wasn’t great but it was just entertaining it’s a very tough game to analyze actually we walked away from the city game a couple of weeks ago didn’t

We and we said oh can’t do United remember we said can’t do United games anymore because you just end up at the end of a game just like what else is this easy but it could have been easy like that again against Liverpool and then you think to have a moment like

That where you can just forget about all the only way that we going to win that game obviously Liverpool let him off the hook and was it going to be Fernandez was going to be Center half Anthony it was going to be just a mad game czy Subs

Extra time it was but if you analyze the again properly United was still oh the second half it was a killing Liverpool let him off to Dro the very strange at this stage of the season I think the mentality wise You’ have thought it would have been in the gear

Of right let’s finish this off cuz we got so much to do making the sub making the subs he thought that it was I don’t know maybe just cuz they done that in the in the caravel cup F why wouldn’t you why wouldn’t you think that the way

It’s been going for United and the way it’s been going for Liverpool you probably think you know this might be a good time to I think klopp yeah and I think they’ve had a lot of plaers for the subs coming on and making a difference but it didn’t make a

Difference no I think United surprised them they surprised them with that cuz it felt a little bit like I’m all in where’s the chips put them all in that’s what I love about the FA Cup though like if that’s a league game probably Liverpool win I feel like FA Cup it’s

Just mentality and and I had to finish under de you know there was no re there was was strange feing a the game they’ve got to take replays away in the FA Cup they have to take they have replays in the early rounds don’t they got they’ve got to get rid of them

All we can’t do that for for the sake of I know the lower get it I get it save the competition though honestly I mean look I I I would like to think I talk that lower clubs need but lower clubs could get a home draw they you think

About lower Club gets a home draw and it’s got a finish on the day you’ve got a chance of a shock where if it’s a replay at a big ground you get the money but where’s the shock where G if we’re going to be talking about what’s more

Important but I don’t have that many Club what’s important to them make that much money out of it now you know what I Mean where we going right uh well the first one is we finished the first one was actually off the back of the United Liverpool game because I think we’ve just nothing else say we’ve covered that was what’s the best game anyone’s been part of and at mine was an FA Cup

Semi-final which who it was the one in 99 of course Arsenal the goal giggsy that was my best game that was brilliant were you annoyed with J last week when he talking about the intensity of rivalries oh yeah he was cuz Gary was yeah I still think people underestimate

When us and arsenal were going strong oh my God quality the football was really good the speed of it I remember he came he came you came for me a bit girl because you said I can’t believe just joking me no but the thing

No but the thing is is that I what I was what the point I would would have made and like the point I think Jamie was making was it’s not like from a football point of view how they playing you know the Rivalry and the actual Liverpool and

Liverpool man City’s rivalry the way they’re playing but as was aggressive it was it was nasty but it was quality do everyone’s foret I remember we done the soer when we done the soccer box the game I remember the game the 3-2 game at

Iory that was one of the best it was it was end to end it was unfortunately Roy missed it that seven years is to be honest with you of rivalry the managers the players the games Arsenal win three titles United win four it’s quite even overall you know hate just builds for

Just the Rivalry again speed of the game I think it was the speed people forget how fast the game was it was so fast both teams proper gone for it yeah no it wasn’t it was fantastic sky in that game even Ray parlor you know but X players

Must get offended I I bet your teams from the 70s and 80s when everyone talks about the game now just been about the Premier League there’s been brilliant football for the last 30 4 years in English football whatever different different rivalries yeah but that’s stuff we had with Arsenal for them few

Years it was int quality of football I’ve seen some of the old games do not underestimate how good who had the most wins in that period was it United when united we started to like I’d say like from 98 onwards we started to beat them more regularly yeah but like in between

They were they were the ones we always chasing and even that game that game was the one when we went back in the dressing room we genuin obviously like I say Roy was injured that for that some of that season as well Roy weren’t playing so you know what I mean there’s

Another opportunity to try and get get something how much game are you talking about here one with the one at hyri when we beat 3-2 plat scored the winner oh yeah yeah yeah the season right so for for us we knew especially with with keeno out like we knew that this is an

Opportunity so when we went back to the dressing room we knew that we had something yeah so what can we do now we’ve got to go we’ve got to win all the games which we had to do remember Alex Ferguson said well we see what they have to do they

Got some difficult games win the end we did it but that was the change we knew CH I think when you talk about rivalry um whichever way you talk about football on the pitch off the pitch Pep Guardiola you know young Club we’ve talked about him in gushing terms

Because he’s amazing one of the greatest managers of all time I couldn’t speak any more highly about him but it’s not been a rivalry for like I know there was the there was a season where they did the 100 points it was amazing they beat me but peps just swept up really yeah

Six years five years he won five out of six he’s swept up really I mean I know there’s been the odd season he”s been really tight and Liverpool been unbelievably unlucky and I think what Young club’s done probably better than what pep guo’s done because of his

Resource but that rivalry was like three titles four titles and then they off the pitch stuff and then the for us to be the managers that was a proper rivalry constantly even when we weren’t playing against each other the Rivalry was building so for me when you say it’s the

Greatest rivalry in any sense I just think no yeah but do you think it’s the way they play the game just cuz they’re like control it like going back to them rivalry games like the smash and tackles and the it’s a lot more cuz they

Play lot on it we needed to make them understand we’re coming and we’re going to be here to to stay with Wenger um Alex Ferguson was thinking who’s this guy’s coming and think he’s going to come up and start doing and then we’ve now got a challenge the best like I

Remember them massive games like for us it was Man City versus Chelsea and I remember when I retired I did a lot to work with Emma ha and I still felt this rivalry going well well when we played like you wouldn’t even go you could just

Feel the Rivalry she wanted to win so much I wanted to win so much like sometimes wouldn’t even shake hands and stuff like that and what the should do yeah and even after we’re working together I’m like God I’m going to have to like get to know you because she was

So passionate and the good thing about about that like CU we said at at that time I disliked manit and it wasn’t dislike because I didn’t like Roy or Gary or whatever it was gigs in all the guys obviously he was one of my best

Mates is that I admired him to the point where I’m think can I I reached these guys yeah they were so good the mentality the the way they played you know what I mean it was something that they were they were the yard stick man

And it was like we were starting to get closer it was brilliant rivalry so why didn’t you say some Monday Night Football when you were I don’t think I had the time I could be bothered he was a guest AR this is my platform gu I’m doing it

On my platform I’m not giving them stuff for free I’m not going back on there that semi-final was mad was it that’s the best that game to be honest I I don’t I don’t see how that game can ever be beaten for incident of goals sendings off Miss penal last minute I mean

Seriously it was everything and then Patrick the pass what Patrick done I don’t remember him doing a pass like that across the pitch I know but like gig even is it uh is it leam Martin Defenders that they don’t go close and what’s it I think he beat Lee about

Twice in that run you know what I mean but like and then he the thing is is that people say he beat him at the near post but like you should do when you get to a nib he smashed it really high into the net gigy but it was like where he

Picked it up from you’re just thinking someone fouling he couldn’t stop him cuz gig was that such a good goal it’s one of I think it’s one of the it could be one of the best ever I was sent off I think I was covering for you I was I was up a

Right back area I’m just trying to where was he where are you what did you do do we have a look at the goal where I was so comfortable in the so comfortable in the right back area why what was the problem I wasn’t starting there that’s

Why I was stared Midfield but go cover cover for you I didn’t start in that I don’t I mean maybe I’d gone forward or maybe something had happened I don’t mean you gone forward you got to get back he came over rashley and slid in

Over M I already been book by the way yeah yeah I mean yeah that’s you’ve got to keep your head in them just do you ever look back I always think that game and I’ve never thought it from your point of view but you think about the

Treble That season and you think about I always think about my brother yeah give away the penalty in the last minute and then obviously bur Camp misses SM and for to this day I I just don’t think I still shiver a little bit for my brother

Thinking if that penalty had gone in but then I think as also for you if you lose that game and you’ve been sent off you carry that along you carry that a lot don’t you when you’ve been sent off it’s horrible when you’ve been sent off we

Would kill Phil wouldn’t Phil would be dead now he would be but that was kind of like he got previous as well for Romania Romania England but like can I just say that I Love Phil I like Phil that team and how they they refused to be beaten it’s not like they were

Playing trusted you playing Man City like to the right back like their team couldn’t they weren’t they couldn’t be Bea you think you’d gone on the Ora I I I just if we can find that goal to find out where that sending off where I was I

Think I was inside a little bit maybe so I don’t know what had happened you were trying to have happened is would had a Corner Al stayed back and got drawn centrally something like that I don’t know G what [ __ ] we’ll find out yeah we

Will find out we’ll do we’ll do a Monday Night Football piece I want to watch this game back oh it’s a good game it’s a good game great game great game yeah to be fair Beck scored a really good goal in that game forgotten about yeah a great goal from outside the Box a serious I say a serious thing it’s been in the last month but strong strong rumor this morning obviously we’re into International break that Gareth Southgate is going to be the new manager of Manchester United and that they’re trying to get him away from England do

We do we see that yeah could see that happening yeah well obviously everyone’s thinking he’s probably going to England this summer if he has a good Championship good Championship thinking if they can win it and if they don’t you’re thinking maybe you ran your race with him his connection with Dan Ashford

Used to he walk with previously yeah I think surpris it yeah a bit callous of the people because like when you look at the man United’s game just now with the FA Cup so they’ve got a chance to to maybe win the FA Cup they’re going to have to go some to

Maybe get into top four but I think that for them to be talking about it now it’s a little bit it’s a bit off key you know bring GTH like that but the fact is is that if he doesn’t win the FA Cup tenh har and then he doesn’t get into the top

Four then you probably can have that conversation but at the moment he looks like he he might do something whatever we think that he might do going like in the future he might do something so I’m not you know you see Gan yeah standup guy you could see how it could it could

Be but like shouldn’t be talking about him now man should because of England because of Eric tenh because of England or Eric tenh because of Eric tenh har because listen I can’t even get into the Realms of the pressure that he’s probably under you know what I mean I’m

Thinking to myself as well when I say things about him like you know with the structure we’re not seen this not players haven’t improved whatever it is but I can’t get into the Realms of what this guy’s the pressure this man you know what I mean can you can imagine

Like for me the game I watched against Liverpool the other day felt like just just go it just felt like I’m in go and just go you know what I mean cuz it’s like he’s at the end of his T that this man’s somebody that needs something to

Happen I hope he doesn’t right I was just saying but I can see where L of course why does it come after a win though for Man United like why does it have to be a high and then suddenly International break strong this morning it’s quite strong this morning the rumor

Is it stranger what comes out know the international break and yeah Garett Garrett will have to face the media this week I’m sure they’ll be asked a few questions about it you know what’s strange about it is um when you listen to S Jim Ratliff talk about how he

Admires um our Arsenal’s patience with artetta which obviously the FA Cup gave him even more time you know it does give me the impression that Sim is going to give him time yeah he’s going to yeah it look feels like because if you’re talking about arteta and patience then

He’s probably and he’s quite admirable he in the way he’s speaking about it admirable the way he’s speaking about it you just feel that but will he make that decision well if he brings in people like that who who will be calling the shots and who the man is going to be you

Don’t know who’s calling the shots of so many layers isn’t there Dan Ash if he comes in we’ll make the because he’s him and GTH are tight right so that’s where the Link’s coming from because obviously Dan as if he’s made decision on the manager doesn’t matter what I don’t

Think I can see GTH Southgate is Man United manager know when you just say it but yeah but you say that J but like I see G Southgate standing on the line and the way he will be dressed his demeanor I could see him he could he’s he’s got

The the stature to be a man united manager the way he is you know like we’re not talking about I’m not being disrespectful in a kind of way I am but he massive big pole of xck and he doesn’t look quite dressed like he looks like he’s got the stature for Man United

With Eric tag sometimes you feel that but Gareth if we talk about somebody who looks apart he probably looked apart standing on the line for Man United so if he was to leave England what do you what do you think I think that Eddie how or something going in it Eddie how Klo

Klopp what England manager I think he said he wants less I think the saddest thing the saddest thing now gal is that we can’t definitively say well it could be him him or him for England if Gareth leaves who’s who’s going to be the manager you think Gareth probably after

This tournament must be thinking what more can yeah you what more how many years has he been there now is he’ll have done 18 20 22 24 he done four tourn wow that’s a lot that’s good eight years good yeah is good if he finishes on a

Win that would be it’ be nice for him be so amazing I mean what you said there is my thought I never saw Gareth as a Manchester United manager psychologically never saw that but I can see it now with obviously fact that g that Dan asworth comes in I just think

What does Eric tag need to do to stay as Manchester United does it so for instance does it forget the FA Cup does he need to is the FA Cup enough or does he need to get top four top five I think that Pro probably um like I said

Listening to S Jim they probably need CH Manchester United need Champions League football foot he did say that didn’t he they need Champions League the FA Cup you know would give the F the fans something to say yeah brilliant we’ve got something but like if he had to pick

One because I obviously he can go for the two of them obviously try and win the cup and finish top four or five you should he needs he needs something like that because if let’s say he doesn’t do both of them and you do come to the

Summer what what’s he what’s he going to use as I think G’s leaving I think to be honest with you I mean we you have been you have seen this in tournaments but it’s never easy England will have qualifiers starting up again a couple of months after the

Tournament so they have to have a new manager in and Gareth will need to sort his future out to get a club potentially for start next season so I think if it’s done maturely I can see how it would be brought forward in terms of Gareth even

Forget man united but forget you know Gareth and and England England need to appoint a new manager so they’re going to have to appoint a new manager pre- tournament probably and say look G going to be leaving after the tournament unless he’s just going to leave on the

Last day and they do it quietly I don’t know they bring some for the 21s he’s been linked at Lee cley that’s where Gareth came from I don’t think that can happen to be fair he’s been linked with it I’m trying he’s not been a manager he’s not been manager

Manager under under 21s yeah obviously manag the 21 but ter he was at city as well wasn’t he in the reputation anyway more of a higher note the most difficult position on the pitch Central Midfield kobby Mayu yeah pleased that he got the call up because I think coming into this

Man united side there’s a it feels very chaotic when you look at how the Midfield is all it’s kind of all over the place but when you look at him if you could get him stabilized whether he’s going to do eight or six and he’s got them players around him I’m not

Saying better players I think what is he by the way I mean to be fair I don’t see him as a sitter I don’t see him as an attacker I see him as an eight I see him as actually a bit of everything yes exactly exactly what Gare needs I

Watched obviously what I do a lot of United games but what I find with him is do you know when the ball being pulled back from the by line from the opposition he gets into good positions you know as a field player at the penalty spot to try and intercept he

Reads the game in defensive positions pretty well but that’s what you need as well if you want to play in middle of the P football intelligence you look at him gal you look at M Mayu in respects of what he can do you look at Rice what

He can do and then Bingham if just just them free just to just to to just to say what each of them could do if you’re saying bellingham’s 10 you know if you’re saying rice is eight or Kobe 6 you could even change it where Kobe 6

You can have if if Dean drops in the six Kobe could be eight you know what I mean they could if they if them two move around will Gareth trust him in a tournament after two months that’s the time to I don’t think so because you’ve

Also got Trent who can go in there you’ve got foran who can play in the I don’t think they trust him to go in and start well the timing could be right the time he’s lucky in terms of the Tim because obviously Phillips is having a difficult time Jordan Henderson

Whatever’s getting a bit older so maybe that timing and the the best thing is when you get a player into your Camp as you know at International Football okay he’s doing well United but have a look at him closely with the other International Players we’ve all done

Even had when Waynes come true you look at a young player when you get to see him close up you go I like what I see listen could it could happen when Michael when Michael Owen came into the England obviously come into Liverpool and he’s doing his stuff we know that

He’s then when you look at him closely I remember like when he came 98 you look at him you think he’s ready to go he was left out the first two games yeah he’s ready to go Michael O and you look at someone like K Ru in United even a game

Against Liverpool again a big game you know of the things he was doing in such a chaotic game you think this guy’s calm this guy can deal temperament is unbelievable key for it 18 for 18 that’s incredible it really is well United played badly in in large

Parts of games don’t they but I always think when United played badly in parts of games whether it be luten away or whether it be sort of know Newcastle he’s the one that still looks like he’s in control he’s in control he’s in control you know what I mean as soon as

They get that structure and this is what I’m saying if we could see him at England with right you’re going to play here if he go then you you could you drop back in here and do your stuff and but the way he moves the ball about the

Way he can pass the ball through lines the way he can get into the box like you mentioned you think to yourself well what because he’s 18 which should we should like not do it yet in there Ro I ask you a question you you you played in

Central midfield for United with a young Paul SKS and a young Nikki but who are probably in some ways the most famous Midfield players to come through at United in the last of 20 odd 30 years where would you class man you in his first three months to where schy and

Butsy were when they first came in I would yeah I mean I’m looking at it and thinking how would you see his introduction to theirs yeah good question Gary thanks um yeah I probably more i’ probably more um comparing with byty yeah with BTY more than SC scy was

Definitely more a little bit higher up the pitch when he first broke into the United Team definitely was playing more off the front was he not when he played in them he he came in a little bit further forward but yeah sometimes play back a bit Yeah but if you compare him

To buty well if he does half as well as buty then be doing well going I go back to buy and obviously buty and these young players you’re talking about they’re obviously talented or they wouldn’t be at United you were talk but to me it’s their personalities that

Temperament but he came in obviously we how good but he was um yeah he’s probably i’ put him on a power with them the way they settl into the first team and how they cope with the challenges playing at all tra or whatever and yeah put just he’s got a chance he’s got

Just he’s got lots to learn in that position what would help him at the moment you it is chaotic but maybe that’s a good way to learn as well he’s I don’t think to yeah I don’t think there’s a coincidence that after this Liverpool game and the way it went how

It was and it’s all chaotic and kobby gets caught up after that because he’s dealt with all that noise yeah it doesn’t surprise me that he’s CAU up now and you know what I’m hoping it’s not just to have a look in respect of being was stand in the stand haven’t got

Players in that position you’ve just said that that’s the one area of the pitch they just really strugg it’s good England though isn’t it going into a tournament if you think about how many different combinations you can do with that Midfield cuz you know at International level sometimes you need

Two that are going to protect the back line then other games we can go to a bit higher and I think the players that we have in the middle of the part like rice B and for and you speak there’s just so many options and I’m like do we go into

The tournament with a set 11 or is it such a strength that the opposition don’t know what we’re going to do BR f as well it’s up to the player Brant play when you get in that camp for Garrett and the staff and cuz what we all know

When you go into a a New Dress whatever your job is to impress your other players as well so the other players go oh now you’re talking yeah we go proper yeah because they see like I said with Jared bran at Everton you think to yourself you’ve watched him this season

You think well good Pace are brilliant reading of the game are fantastic attacking the ball brilliant you know in both box obviously in both boxes passing out you think they’ve got be surely got to be looking at him you know so to see him in there as well because again with

With that kind of pace you know next to I don’t know Jon Stones who’s having an unbelievable season himself you know you’re starting to look at it like down the spine of our team is pretty strong yeah I I think when he watches rice and now rice has been freed by georgo I

Wonder whether he’s brought him in to sit there and have Bellingham and rice in front because they’ll both get back and to PR look after him I wonder whether he’s thinking well he can handle the ball a kid he’s unbelievable on the ball and then you just throw rice

Forward one I think rice isn’t rice rice has always had more in his locker than at sit room he’s not honestly I’ve said this a few years ago and Dean isn’t the best at receiving in tight areas with his back to play I think he’s better when he’s actually facing to play and

Running forward I think Mayu can receive it in those little areas so I think having him there and them to but he’s maybe what he may be looking he’s made them mistakes I remember I think it was a West Ham away got CAU you know as

Young players do that’s you got to you got to learn the hard way but yeah definitely R can be in a had ceiling on him didn’t he and then I think at Arsenal you see him now driving with the ball he’s scoring he’s assisting he’s taking set pieces and sometimes I think

Managers can put a bit of a ceiling on you but I think when he’s gone to Arsenal as you see he’s been freed and I’ve been so impressed with him the way that he’s just hit the ground running cuz going to a new club isn’t easy as

Well but yeah I think I think that when you look at what we could put out there as a Midfield you know people say I they go you’re going to it’s nothing to do with that have you won it have you won it is it over we’re in the seven you’re in the

Sem semis the finals you know what Honestly though right how can you not be excited about if someone like Kobe comes in and kicks on with with rice and Bell I like see and like you know you want meited about England winning who’s who’s going to look after kobby Mayu at

Manchester United this next year or two we know that Marcus rashford came in we’ve seen other young players com who’s going to look after him as a maybe there won’t be anybody to after him maybe he just have to learn as he goes along I mean that’s not ideal what happen you

Could say that lots of clubs there’s lack of leadership at lots of clubs but at United yeah you hope there’s one or two Lads in the dress room that we’re might we might not be aware of you know there’s senior players who mightn’t be playing week and week out we obvious use

Maguire for example that maybe they’re helping them along the way but also you you learn as you go along I’ve gone into dress rooms we mention St pear and this walker earlier yeah they’re great examples but you still have to learn yourself you know I mean just you need people to learn of

Yeah but some sometimes you have to learn you have to see you have to have bad players around you as well to learn what not to do you’re not going to have loads of great examples in your dress room to say this is how you behave because it’s different characters

Different personalities I learned from Dez Walker I learned from St Pierce [ __ ] Club the best yeah different I like that’s what I like from that but I’ve got my own personality I can’t live his life or when I went to United would it be Robo or Brucey or whatever senior

Players around yeah you pick up little bits I like that I don’t like this and you learn then you listen you still continue to make your own mistakes but yeah you need them examples and maybe at the moment there’s not that it’s just now you think about how brilliantly he’s

Done he’s been thrust into the England team he’s over the back page of every newspaper he must be like on Cloud9 the test from now this is where we’ll find out even more about yeah what kind of lad he is but the good thing is he’s because he’s playing for Man United week

In week out I know it’s only over a short period of time you’d like to think when he turns up with England he’s walking into it he’s going no I I have this I I’ve not come from a small team and and this is where again like any good

Player with a big personality was it you about own or Rooney when you first get into a big Squad you go I’m comfortable in this environment man united from a young age and being like obviously as good as he is your Spotlight is on you continually from from a young age and

He’s he’s he’s dealt with it pretty well I have to say the England dressing room as well they look like they’ve got a good spirit that good Lu that’s gav is was there not two players fighting about two or three years ago in the punching each other who was that I don’t

Know all for a sandwich no no no no no no would you say that’s because they would you say that’s because they M no no no he was fighting a couple years ago but they did a battle all right okay all battles with people hey like I and

That needs to happen as well I think it’s good to have a fight with somebody make our all best buies with each other yeah let’s go J no but I do think going into a tournament young as I think like they’ll have no fear hopefully I do think the injection of

That youth like I think I went to my first World Cup at 1920 and I just when I look back at that one compared to my last one I was so much more nervous at the last one because I think you just go into the unknown you just loving it

You’ve got ban with the team and I think I think it’s take it your St a bit Yeah whereas when you get older you feel like oh there’s so much pressure on you to perform young players bring a different energy don’t they to the group and I

Might give the other players a lift because again I go back to when a good player comes into group you got yeah I like what he’s going to bring something it brings Energy Gabrielle’s Gabrielle’s withdrawn also Thomas refused okay so what about erard tell me about erard them two right so I’ve got think about this match so this is where the boss would pull out players in the match game and I said it a couple of weeks ago be interesting to

See how many City AR the Liverpool players that are of the you know already Highland de BR de bruy out so in 19 9899 asked for this information earlier on today we’re going for the treble obviously how’d you get on and we had a

Match um we did it all right um and the March International Beckham skols and me were pulled out of England games did he pull Phil out Phil went with with Wes with Wes Brown Brown and Nikki Nikki yeah so he used to do that

He say you three out you fre go yeah and and that was to be fair not but that March International he hated it I mean literally he hated it g got the impression that when for friendlies all man united players weren’t W in and seven there was seven of us wasn’t there

That Ted get away Teddy Teddy me Beck Sky buty Phil Wes I mean there could be more as well at times Coy the other one he was internation if was a proper qualifier no problems generally September October November but the March one if was a friendly he he wasn’t

Having it he just wasn’t he said there’s no way our season did you not tell him you wanted to go and play no to be fair he was one of them but you understood at that stage of the season I think it’s a really badly placed International break

In the mid in the midst of a title running push it into early December or August or whatever it shouldn’t I I don’t think you should split the season now did it not kill you though missing I nobody would ever be able to tell me you miss an international Camp when you

Analyze it that way when you get a manager telling you yeah put you under huge pressure but what did you say to International that you had an injury I think to be fair the managers would understand that at that time he’ he’ done a deal he’ have done a deal with

The managers and said look come on we we’ve got a run in we got a treble to go for we can’t you can have them in the summer but you can’t have them now but then International you’ve got to prepared you know what I mean you say

About the new Lads coming into England like they need to be around the team they didn’t play since November yeah do you know it’s not I I I I’ll make a prediction I’ll make a prediction that either Declan sacka um folden MH I’ve got a good feeling

They’ll pull out the second game do you think well I think they should they I they won’t play and G well you’re say you’re saying but you you sit here and talk about how much playing for your country but you’re sitting there going they should pull out and I had I had my

Career people criticize you badly over with mck McCarthy over didn’t you I fell out with forg and over it CU they’re the ones putting you under over Ireland yeah didn’t want me going playing for Ireland of course but I don’t get it because it goes Club versus country with the

Managers right like oh we want them for club we want them for country but I think you have to understand that you’ve got a top class player that plays International Football and club and they should do what’s best for them but that shouldn’t mean pulling them out like I’m

Sure these fixtures Gareth will probably be managing minute and stuff like that cuz they’ve got all this technology nowadays but I I don’t think you should stop what someone who I’d be when I was a manager when I was a manager obviously players are getting called up I’d be

Ashamed of my life to bring a player and go you’re not going yeah I agree wouldn’t do it no you might say it’s different challenges at United and trophies or whatever but I still think if you’re a manager and a player gets called up you’d be yeah because it’s a

Dream I would always go so you just said there yeah because like I’m look I’m I’m 60 not but you know that’s I’m thinking now for Arsenal what what Arsenal well you were crying here about two months ago playing for England and what it means mean I was crying I Was Cry No

When you miss matches no you’re sitting here going they should Miss matches remember I was going to the England I was going to the England squad as substitute bro it was pleased to be there they may not pull out because they did they have had that three four day

Break Arsenal obviously they didn’t have the FA Cup so they could because there is a part for me that thinks momentum and playing two games where are England playing like they’re not traveling across Brazil Wembley and Belgium and Belgium yeah bble big games yeah but I’m saying I

Think there’s less chance they might pull out I think sometimes when thinking they might be traveling and cross Europe on the private yeah know that does make a difference think bruyer and Highland are injured they pull out the other day and obviously do you think they’re

Injured do you think do you think not there’s been man Belgium were playing Ireland so de Brien obviously was frighten to dead of playing against Ireland that’s why he pulled up there’s games I at this stage of the Season there’s games like with with the friendly of course you want people like

Kobe Mayu to be in the squad with with the players that he’s hopefully going to play in big competitions with but I think that for certain player they who’ve been in the squad for friendly you know this is an opportunity to look at other people look at other people but

That’s the argument isn’t it do you mix it all up because obviously you got the OS coming up but then at the same time them Lads haven’t had that time as like an 11 they haven’t played since November and I think how many games is there now

Be before their first game in the Euros I should probably know that four is it only four maybe no there’ll probably be a few more W there’s these two for what we how many games they have they have a couple won’t they they have a couple two

Or three that’s what I’m saying that’s all yeah you’re saying just yeah build them relationships and do you know what I mean you can’t Jil you’re right because I mean I I coached obviously with rson for four years you coached obviously Island when players pulled out and you knew they weren’t probably in

You were Furious I mean you you’re Furious you were but we know it happened during our lives that that happened as well it’s like the clubs think well we’re paying the players we’ve got a run in we can’t afford to lose them yeah we’re getting Champions League football

Which is massive to us or we’re getting the whatever it me title champion League quarterfinals or semi-finals that’s why there’s that push and pull this March friendly is a bad one yeah I think it’s a bad one I think it’s in the midst of a title running it’s in the midst of a

Champions League games I think this one should be replaced somewhere in my opinion it was always a bad one because you you really are thinking club now yes you’re not thinking about you’re not thinking country country comes in sort of May when The Season’s finished and you’ve got the tournament you’re not

You’re not in a in the in the September October November you are in a bit of club and Country mindset because you every you said that but don’t we listen we we speak about talking about the countries we’re involved there but you see Ronaldo and all these boys playing

For and they play every International every time they literally turn up and they play that’s why what’s Ronaldo got 150 160 and these guys are under pressure week in week out cuz they’re goal scorers yeah but you don’t hear them having chats and I guarantee if you

Mentioned to some of them players I remember somebody the ls at Argentina where we were United they were playing friendly matches remember they were traveling the of the world and Fergus wouldn’t put them under pressure about missing matches Wales is a competitive fixture though isn’t it yeah they they’ve got

Competitive so I suppose the international break but the main thing is I just can’t imagine not going away with with country I I really can’t I’m like if a manager said to you listen Jo I really want you to pull out this one and Har might I would I would I think he

Might play out second game yeah might play one game or he might do a deal I think I think you’ll see a deal amazing was talking about here the war’s coming out of your M do a deal I know I know but I think that’s country but we I’m

Just referring to it cuz Harland and uh and de bruyne I called it a couple of weeks ago I said do you know something there’ll be definitely pull outs in March of these games and straight away the two best players for City are out and what happened to Brian missed the

Game before they call up didn’t um the last game before the international game he didn’t play against Newcastle so it’s leave out against Newcastle and it falls into place yeah but different if you played the last game before the the game you go well you you finished the game

And know you can’t turn up we did have it actually just thinking we had like Continental cup which is Le cup Man City versus Arsenal final and I remember we had an international uh break and we were going to I think it was like the she beliefs cup or something and Arsenal

Kept a lot of their players behind and we went away played these three games for England we were knackered and we did get beat in that final and I remember there was a well not really I was just like I always thought it was the the

Right thing to do and to be honest if we’ stayed a club we had bloody Fitness Camp I’d rather gone away with International but I do remember that where I was like they are fresh yeah and then these players were suddenly ready for the final so I think if you’ve

Pulled out of international how can you then be ready for your Club on the weekend surely you’re out with injury so I I’m just thinking we did have that happen happens I only pulled out two two friendlies where it was done it was a deal was done with the manager in the

And the in the England all the two one under Glenn he wasn’t happy and then that one was under Kevin Kean Glenn got me into the room what did he say well he he basically I I I did have a slight issue um but he wanted me back

Basically and so was the game was it weren’t a friend so basically Glenn Glenn had this thing if you were injured you still you still have to come yeah and we’ll give you treatment here so a couple of days in I got a call from the

Phys of the club get back here have treatment and they said no we having it here you’re having it here so I went and see Glenn said look Glenn the club want me back this thing can give me more intense treatment there than in a hotel room he said no you’re having treatment

Here anyway he rang uh the boss rang him I can imagine they blast him yeah F England manager at the time and Glenn said you’re going back but I never want to be put in that position ever again yeah know it’s awkward it was awkward it was you know you’ve been honestly was

Awkward cuz you I was I think I was 20 I’m 23 at the time by the way I’m he’s 98 99 there so if that’s 20 97 so I’m 22 22 23 but that should be very player for the club though so just i’ would have done a childish thing on

Him be on the player should you position where you’re like you open the physio s out the manager sort it out but Glenn was a bit spiky was he he was you know as Kevin was a lot more you know he he’d have a conversation a bit more mature

Was he Glenn should have um he should have met Alec Ferguson talk and then he should said listen Sir Alex and then when he went what and just hung up the pH me might as well might as well go full childish on you know there yeah I know

But like there he had seven players that’s why he couldn’t half the squad was from United anything on Forest oh more Point deduction points deductions into the relegation zone are they in trouble they look like the momentums against they’re employing referees coaches the on the pitchit I still think they’ll be okay you think they’ be okay I still think they’ll stay up here yeah we’re going to

Get into a scenario where the season’s going to finish and then we’re not going to know who’s going down well there be could be appeals cuz there’s appeals isn’t there cuz Forest lost four points but they’re saying they’ll appeal it so yeah if that comes after how will that

Work wow you’re going to get ever going to get another whack it’s it gets born after a while doesn’t it when you hear legal side of it and what could happen in appeals it’s u i remember saying not good for the I said yeah it’s not I remember saying on

A g that we should um they should have had something in place like to say right well if this happens and you’re going to lose that but then you think to yourself you got the clubs that are saying well how comes they’ve got that and we’ve got

This so if you put something in place you know now it’s forest was saying that because they went up to the the playoffs in the championship whatever way you looking the among the players Forest have signed this yes what it’s unbelievable it was 20 OD one1 so I know

They had that 10 players left the previous season yeah got prom few on if it doesn’t look right it’s usually not right what I mean it’s like when Chelsea spend it’s not right it doesn’t look right you I mean Chelsea have now got issues he like he just it doesn’t it’s

Madness what’s Forest were doing but what’s what’s crazy is that we could go into um a scenario at the end of the season finished the season and you don’t know if you’re going to be relegated or not CU city is still waiting as well aren’t there they got some

Charges who never heard of who has who’s got charges City Manchester City what got What charges no no don’t tell me it’s only it’s only a couple four is that all it’ be fine don’t worry about that three four yeah that’d be all right what’s the best sports documentary that hasn’t been made

Yet King ke’s life the couldn’t the rights oh yeah du who could see that no you know you know what um well you’ve done everything you’re an actor hey that movie did you watch it brilliant did you the that wrting was in yeah is it brilliant what’s it called again kit

Kitchen a kitchen or the kitchen the kitchen the kit righty honestly thanks to give you some T going have to that on is it on Netflix yeah yeah I’m going to watch that I didn’t pay for that did I did you pay to watch me you two should do something together

Like to be no we should be in that new gentleman like guy Richie is the two bad men where did you go let’s night for food did you go for food last night you posted something out yeah we went to oh you’re so cute little man where did you go it’s

Know one off is every week like steady on Lads don’t get too close I I mean I just want to buy him some dinners right we could lose him off the documentary if you keep the podcast if you keep on asking for dinner can I you know what um

We up now you say it girl um and uh all seriousness with a a documentary i’ like to see you know Emma ranu yeah you know when you’re talking about what she done you know mean she’s what ranked 150th and we’re talking just for that for that

Period where she won the US Open 150th she had to play three qualifying matches she never lost a set on the way to winning the US Open and you know I mean we’re looking at um what’s happening now in respect and she’s injured again she’s unfortunately

Back mean be get on here she she’s somebody that would you like to football again somebody who’s so talented so good but like obviously injuries are causing a problem but that for me in respect of a tournament if you was seen that as a documentary would probably be very she

Does more photo shoots than Jill well have you seen her I’d put her in more pH shoots than me as but like but you can’t judge her like that right I’m only Jing yeah I know you’re joking but this is yeah but people are judging her like a

She’s doing too of course they do that’s what people do you know but like that’s I think that would be a good one what about the Neville Brothers one we’ve already seen that it’s it’s called a chuckle brother we don’t need another Chu end of the SE of football for this

Week thanks very much everyone Hey road trip we going and see Phil road trip yeah go see Phil a road trip go see they lost the weekend we should do that we should go and see Phil can we take an old classical like Ferrari oh yeah all Mercedes SL no no no we no no no no no

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