Join us for a discussion with Remi Warren, hunting guide, outfitter, outdoor writer, photographer, videographer, and TV personality. In this episode we’ll talk about Remi’s favorite hunts, using real life situations in practice for hunting and more!
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Timestamps:
0:00:00 Intro: Remi’s Podcast
0:03:38 Becoming One of the Greats in Hunting
0:07:10 Difficult Hunts for Remi & Not Hunting for Score
0:13:34 Aggressive Bulls During Elk Hunting
0:18:53 Why Remi Likes Mule Deer Hunting
0:25:08 Memories of Success Over Failures
0:29:27 Remi’s 220 Mule Deer
0:39:32 Storms & Getting Struck By Lightning
0:43:04 Hunting Whitetail
0:47:31 A Bowhunter’s Best Tool or Skill
0:51:18 Pet Peeves & Barriers in Hunting (Sound)
0:58:33 Wind Awareness in Hunting & Keeping Data After Hunts
01:03:59 Creating Real Life Hunting Situations in Practice
01:19:48 Remi’s Perfect Hunting Situation
01:24:28 Question 1: The Easiest & Toughest State to Hunt in
01:27:58 Question 2: One Tag for the Rest of Your Life, What’s the Hunt?
01:29:16 Question 3: Identifying a Good Guide or Outfitter
01:33:15 Taking Other People Hunting VS Guiding
01:41:20 Question 4: Remi’s Most Memorable Hunt
02:00:48 Remi & Cam’s Dream Hunt
02:05:10 Remi Role Model Growing Up
02:09:55 The Challenges of Hunting Alone & the Loss of “Pioneerism”
02:18:53 Western Hunting
02:21:43 Being One of the Biggest Names in Hunting
02:27:06 Outro
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Every step I take I move my truth every time they tell me stop I use every comment hate that makes my feel GA up my energy and boom I them blocking saying the way that I move is so reckless that is a part of my mind I’ve been blessed
With giving my blood so I am Relentless welcome to the keep hammering Collective I’m here with Ry Warren how’s that audio in your ear that’s good man now I got it got it just right every time I do a podcast I always bring up the point of like why the headphones why
Makes no sense to me did you bring it up to Joe I haven’t brought it up to Joe I need to how many times have you been on his show uh like maybe five or six something like five times maybe okay not sure yeah that’s good it’s uh I know I
Asked him the other day I said what’s your favorite hunting podcast and he’s like Remy Warren’s the best it’s like something like hands down or I mean unequivocal whatever but yeah he’s like a big it’s it’s live wild right yeah wild podcast that’s a good review man
That’s from the best in the podcast game that’s good no I know it was uh so I was like okay well I guess I need to because I was listening you had you’ve had a couple different ones right yeah oh I had a it’s the same podcast just new
Name it was called cutting the distance now it’s called live wild podcast that’s not the same wild that’s two different channels I mean same same person person same it’s the same I’m doing the same exact thing just two different names whoa that’s re you rebranding yeah rebranding that’s exciting yeah so this
Rebrand how’s it been going good really good yeah it’s just uh for it’s hunting tips and tactics podcast so it’s all just me talking about hunting tips and tactics specifically Western big game hunting cuz like I don’t and I’m I’m pretty abundantly clear it’s not a lot
Of tree stand hunting tactics cuz it’s not the style hunting that I do uh not a lot of turkey tactics but there is a lot of elk there’s a lot of Muer there’s a lot of just general glassing hunt strategy application strategy a little bit of everything that you need to know
For Western big game hunting like whether you’re getting into it or whether you’ve been doing it your whole life I try to make it that good mix of tactics for people that have like eluned their whole life but maybe didn’t realize why certain things worked in other things things didn’t H yeah well
That’s I mean I think anybody could learn from cuz sometimes you’re out there most things I’ve learned has been like just I had to be there screw it up like oh don’t do that again but yeah it’s nice hearing from somebody with so much experience um and definitely
Shorten the the learning curve and then plus not every Hunter can experience the same thing same conditions so it’s like even seasoned Hunters can hear something and it’s going to you know if you explain it in a certain way it’s gonna really hit home because they know
Exactly what it’s like and maybe it’s you know they hadn’t thought about that or for sure I mean think about elk hunting there’s those times where it’s like maybe you’re a hunter and you’ve you’ve only experienced the times Where It’s just tough like elur calling and
Then you get into an absolute bugle Fest like what do I do and I know a lot of people are like dude I’ve never experienced the hunt like I didn’t even capitalize on it CU I just didn’t know what to do like they become too timid or
They whatever you know so just to be able to kind of take my experience and then shorten the learning curve for guys that’s that’s what I like to do yeah that’s good you know there is uh so I have a question yeah and I saw that
I put out like anybody had any questions for Remy let me know we’re doing a podcast well I have two questions now because I just thought of another one people were saying like Remy is like the best hunter best bow hunter in the world
Or one of the best to ever do it or whatever so how does one first of all get to be the best I think I mean how did you get to be the best here’s the thing I I don’t know if I’m the best but
I’ve put in a lot of time yeah you know time I think I mean there’s days where or like years in the past before I had family I would be out in the field three my biggest year was 323 days in one year in the field that’s a lot it’s a lot of
Days and that’s just one year you know I mean I professionally i’ now I’ve been professionally guiding and whatever for about this will be 21 years so I think think like putting in the time and and spending that time hunting on the mountains learning the animals um that
Helps right cuz it’s just it it like anything thousands of repetitions and you you start to like figure it out in way and and honestly making a lot of mistakes I think that that to be really good at something I don’t I mean I’ve failed at certain things thousands of
Times essentially and it’s like okay number thousand and one oh figured it out and then that formula works and then maybe you fail again and you go okay I figured it out and then I think the other thing too is like I I mean I don’t I don’t know if it it
Just lends to me the way that I like to hunt is I I’ve always really loved hunting and so like when I was a kid if I would go out on a hunt let’s say we had five days to hunt and a good Buck stepped out on day one I would never
Shoot that buck I would shoot that buck on the I would shoot a deer on the last evening of the last day because I loved hunting so much I didn’t want to go home and that’s how I think that that’s like the part of my brain that allowed me to
Go hunting 323 days like how do you I mean I I worked in three different countries as a guide kind of chased the seasons um essentially all the other days were just travel days and I’d be in the field scouting uh taking clients hunting for myself whatever um but I
Think that you know having that that time and then also it it kind of of I gravitate toward difficult hunts the ones that where the success could be really low because that would those hunts naturally allowed me to hunt longer so so I like I pick an i in I
Intentionally pick hunts that I think that I’m probably not going to be successful which is a weird thing but it’s I don’t know it’s like my it’s what I love and so I think by doing that too I’ve had experience with very difficult hunts and found success or you know I
Made it harder on myself by bow hunting and then self filming and so it like extended the hunt it made it more challenging so I had to pay attention to more details right or like then from bow hunting and self filming to bow hunting and self filming a recurve hunt and then
From that like bow hunting and sell for a mealing a recurve hunt in an over-the-counter unit that I’ve never been in and you’re like continually like pushing the bar for myself I think that that lended itself to me having a lot of fail which led to a lot of experience which
Led to a lot of success like a weird formula no I I get it I well I I sort of get it because so to me what’s a what’s a very difficult hunt to you I mean to me like a a difficult Hunt is one where
Pro I mean I gravitate toward areas and this is just maybe because like I was doing a lot of filming and other things maybe there’s other reasons I I did it but I would kind of pick a unit that I could go and make sure I got a tag and
So for the most part the areas I didn’t really want as many people so it was like areas with very low animal densities and I got like pretty good at finding and killing animals where there weren’t very many animals so like success rate would hover around like 2%
Right I’m like that’s the area I want to go into um especially for meal deer too it’s like okay I mean there’s one area that I’ve hunted for me deer that I try to hunt every year and I’ve killed some great bu in there right like really good
Bucks just over the counter type thing and I would say but like one in five like I’ll go five years and three of those years I won’t see a deer in seven days right like that’s just the mental aspect of that most people are like and
And I know for some people they’re like I don’t know if I’m doing something wrong and I know that I’m not doing anything wrong so like but there’s just not deer there but when you find a deer it hasn’t been hunted it’s probably got age class and this particular area has
Good genetics so it’s like when you find that older Buck is you’re going to shoot a big deer yeah so that so that was a buildup to my question because you said you intentionally won’t shoot an animal on the first day so you can get more
Hunts but what if you’re on a hunt like that where there’s been years where you didn’t see an animal and then on the first day you saw this a 200 inch Buck the a 200 inch Buck is like that’s a it’s a go for it now that was that was
In the past now I’ve got like a family and I was like I can’t uh uh dude I I’ve been like there’s certain things where I’m like can I please just get a gimme but I feel like there’s just something I don’t know what it is I just for some
Reason like push it till the end and it’s not sometimes it’s not even intentional the ones where I really want to like I’m like okay if I can get done with this faster I can either go on another hunt or do something else and those are the ones that I generally
Can’t get it done fast well I know I don’t know about hunting probably hunting too but there’s things you do subconsciously like I know I don’t know so if there’s like a business relationship I’ve had and working I’m almost like I don’t even know how to explain it you like almost
Sabotage yourself because you’re like I don’t like business and hunting and I like just like to hunt I don’t like the business part of it so I’m subconsciously pushing the limits on them getting mad at me it’s like because I hate this part of it so I
Don’t know if it’s like on in hunting that’s long long way to to ask a question but in hunting because you in the way deep in your mind you don’t want the hunt to end are you subconsciously maybe sabotaging yourself I think so well you know I think definitely in one
Way I am because sometimes like if I in your instance of like if it’s a first day and there’s like a 200 in Buck it depends on how hard I’ve worked for that deer in way where it’s like if I rolled up on a a place and a big buck just
Stepped out and I was just like I don’t know it was like it just seemed too easy i’ be like it’s not your day today like I just have to but I might go shoot a smaller deer that I really worked for and that got me really excited so I
Think like that’s the thing about hunting is very personal to everyone because like sometimes I won’t shoot the biggest bull but I’ll shoot the bull that meant something to me yeah or like I felt like I deserved or like it was a cool it was a certain encounter there’s
There’s times where I’ve shot something and I’m like dude that the everything was just awesome or it’s like you’re there with a buddy and it’s like you’ve got every I think every animal is different and every Hunt is different and your reasons or whatever can be different there’s certain hunts
Where I go D this is a great tag I’m just going to hold out for the biggest and the badest bull in the mountain and I don’t find what I’m looking for or but then there’s times where it’s like maybe that was my attention and then I have
Like this epic stock of like this deer below it’s like the perfect situation you go there’s like this heart pounding stock where you had to do whatever it’s like that’s my deer like I know that that’s my deer I don’t know there’s just mhm happens like I like that approach
You know it because we get kind of uh not just hunters in general labeled as Trophy Hunters all the time this and that but I like your approach it seems more honest than if you’re just like it has to be 200 has to be a 400 in Bull
And it’s all about score you know and I I don’t like that part of it you we can talk about score because it’s a nice you know rule of thumb to go by or just a measuring stick everybody knows what it means but on a hunt just as you’re
Saying it’s like there’s so many different ups and downs on a hunt it’s sitting here and drawing it out on paper like okay here’s what I want to do and then you got on the hunt like you say it’s more challenging or the weather or something happens or it’s like this epic
Bulls fighting and you’re just all wound up and you just want to make a good shot and it and it works out and then that’s and maybe the bull is just like a just a decent Bowl but it’s that situation that made it special so yeah I like your I
Like your approach better it seems more honest to me or pure to me than just like going after the biggest highest scoring animal yeah and and that’s like but there are times where I mean I’ve shot some with I think with me deer I’m a lot more selective than with any other
Species because it’s like that’s the one that I like to I don’t know I just that gets me the most excited I think um for me it’s like the most challenging so when I I think like if I’m like oh I want the whatever size me you know I
Might pass up a lot a lot of deer looking for that one deer but then like you said there might be another hunt where the deer that I want doesn’t exist right just like and okay you’re you just got to kind of play with what’s what’s available and the conditions and go from
There really yeah I was thinking about that too that was a good example about somebody who has only been on hard hunts and then all of a sudden they’re in this rut Fest and then they don’t know what to do I know I where I’ve screwed up in
A situation like that is not the rut Fest but the bulls fighting sometimes I’ve seen Bulls you know I don’t know if I’ve made the best decisions because I don’t think I’ve ever killed a bull that was fighting with another bull yeah to me that’s a hard one what have
You have you killed one fighting I’ve never killed one that’s fighting with another bull but I have used that fighting to like get in get in tighter um but how aggressive are you because that’s where I’ve screwed up yeah I’m I’m I’m pretty aggressive with elk I’m
Very aggressive with elk the the thing is like often when they’re fighting sometimes people get locked in I’ve seen a lot of people blow it where they get locked in like the Bulls are fighting I got to run in yeah it’s like well there’s 150 cows John Boy like your roll
Calm down like yeah we’re going after those ones but there’s still other elk doing other things uh however it depends on like the terrain if it’s like thick terrain and I know that okay I can move in pretty quick I I would probably take that gamble um I probably kind of go in
Hot and I’d go in screaming with a bugle so that I mean even though it’s like they know that I’m there if I lost sight of them I think that I would do that because I would know that they would respond back kind of post fight mhm um
And then I would know whether they were still locked up if I couldn’t hear oh you should be able to hear them like yeah normally yeah with the time I’m thinking of where I screwed up I they were just going for it and I’m always super aggressive El cunning just cuz you
Can get away with so much generally but on that one I did get in and I was like I think I was like under 30 yards and then then kind of they’re going crazy it was kind of Brushy and the quakies and I was trying to determine which was
The best bull of the two and I don’t know what happened but anyway I didn’t kill either one point is yeah um so yeah that’s your your example reminded me of that I did see I was with Rogan one time and these two bulls they weren’t hardcore intense but they were locked up
Or whatever then I was I was with them I was like okay bow on the left sheo B on the no no no bow on the right bow on the right it’s like no no no no no bow on the left and so he end shooting the bull
On the left but I don’t know if I did a good job on that one either did he shoot when they were like actually locked up no the bull came apart and then it was we weren’t that close it was 67 yards so the they came apart then the bull on the
Left turned to walk away and stopped and shot him made per shot that would be the dream though like when one’s raking or fighting I’ve always thought about that like you could actually Arrow one that’s fighting yeah I wonder I’ve seen oh with Red Deer Red Stag uh where
Two are fighting and then one gets shot and then the other one just pummels It On The Ground like just pin cushion I was like I think that you’d probably run into that problem of like just holes everywhere yeah I would yeah they’re pretty ruthless once it when they’re W
That wound up it makes sense but uh yeah I know I in that same country there’s a lot of bowls where Joe killed that one and I I don’t know I don’t know if was that year a different different year but because it’s a high bll to Cal ratio the
Bulls get after right it’s very competitive and I had just snuck in on this bull and he was beded he’s like a 300 in six point so I wasn’t going to shoot him but I got close and he was you know in a perfect place beded so I
Backed out from that and went down around and then I was side healing and I see this bull and I was like oh [ __ ] there’s a bull beded so I sneak in there 22 yards and I’m like this bull hasn’t moved in a while you know and I’m like but I’ve seen him
Get pretty tired after a long night of ruding yeah so I shot the bull it was dead really yeah it had a it took a TI to the neck and had something happened anyway killed like a 340 in six point and it was dead and it’s like whack hit
It didn’t move so was like anyway that story just reminded me of that and uh just making sure so I uh yeah that was I I don’t know if I should have been I don’t know I mean yeah I would hate to I would hate
To think it’s dead get in there and have it get up and run away yeah you know what I mean so I guess if I’m going to make a mistake it’d be the mistake I made I I I mean I had a buddy that was hunting one time and walked in on a
Sleeping elk but he thought it was dead and kind of like went to go inspect it and the bull got up and ran off he was just like yeah that would be hey might as well arrows a lot cheaper than a bull the yeah and I made a good
Shot practice I mean I then I killed a bll after that so I actually got to shoot two bulls yeah I don’t know hopefully that’s not illegal God I think shooting a dead Oak I don’t think counts oh good good good yeah but uh I don’t know it’s so many experiences out there
So I was going to say um mu deer is your sounds like you love hunting mu deer is that because that’s what you grew up those your yeah I think I mean cuz you’re from Nevada yeah I’m from Nevada it’s you know it’s funny cuz when you’re
Growing up doing it you always want to go after something else or at least I did I was always like what’s the next thing out there but when I realized like I think later on in life I think the challenge of killing a mature High Country meal deer is probably the most
Challenging thing in bow hunting for me yeah uh it’s the one that I probably struggle with the most I think like to kill a big me deer with a bow is pretty difficult for a lot of reasons like there’s not a lot of places where they are mhm you know it’s like there’s
There’s big elk a lot I feel like there’s big elk a lot of places and I love elk hunting like I love calling elk I love interacting with elk there’s nothing like that but if you if I I would almost in some ways I just like the aspect of chasing elk and calling
Elk so if someone’s like okay you can pick one hunt you got to be an observer on one or help guide one and and do one for yourself I think I’d take someone elun and I would go Meer hunting I see personally because I can still get that
Like Rush of bringing a bow in for someone yeah no that’s I get that there is nothing like a bulll coming in yeah I mean it’s fun yeah and I I like to call Elk like I enjoy calling elk for people it’s it’s a lot of fun like that it’s
Super active like you can be you can be loud that’s nice but I think with like meal deer for me it’s that true spot in stock game like you have to be that I like the excitement of stock in on something I think that that like gets
That gets me excited cuz there’s all the scenarios that go through your head you got to get like a good position and and find one to start and then there’s a lot of that anticipation on on the stock and a lot of pressure of like making that
Stock work right and a lot of like variables are you uh what do you think is your strength I mean are you is I could see people on whatever they’re hunting but specifically mu deer maybe they’re a great shot so they know if they can just get that shot from 70
Yards thread it through something because they you know that’s what they do or some guys like to get like I think a South he always seems like he’s getting close all the time with his recurves like he might want to get five yards away so what with your strengths
And what you prefer what’s your game plan my game plans get close close cuz I used to I used to get further back and sit but I’ve had so many good deers like the really big bucks the biggest deer in my life jump the string and just dodge
That Arrow so fast and to anticipate a jump like that is near impossible to do right you just don’t know I feel like Muer to me jump I’m kind of they they jump when they need to and I’ve like found that that sucked so I try to get
Within I mean it just depends like I try to get like that 30 yard range um I’ve got lot the deer I was on last year is like 5et really yeah right on top of them you kill them five years no I didn’t uh it’s a long story but it was a
You got two cloth I got no I it was a mechanical failure I tried a different Broadhead that I’d never shot before and the thing didn’t like it just stuck in and didn’t it was like hitting it with a blunt tip really it was wild so it hit
The deer hit the deer did it bounce off it just stuck in like as far as the feral of the Broadhead straight down on top of it that’s not ideal is not ideal and I had this is stupid I’ve told this story before but I literally like switched my broadheads
Out cuz I wanted to I was going to test the Broadhead cuz I I was testing it because I was going to maybe bring this new mechanical Broadhead on a sheep hunt cuz I was going to have a new bow and I didn’t want to like be hunting desert
Sheep with a Broadhead that I’d never killed anything with MH and just in case that that’s a long story but I ended up like switching back and forth broadheads cuz I couldn’t decide during the stock dur no so while sitting there I sat there for an
Hour I was like I guess I wasn’t 5 ft I was 5 yards so 15 ft um and uh yeah I was like right on top of him and how big was he it wasn’t it wasn’t a giant Buck but it was like a 170 in like a good
Good solid yeah High Country meal deer what was your fixed blade option it was like a Evo just standard juade bers oh God it would have been so dead I shot cuz I was shooting straight down I shot him right essentially right just like that two inches left of the spine I
Think it literally this hit like backstrap rib and stopped and that was exactly where you’re aiming you hit perfect yeah yeah yeah it wasn’t it was not like not like I hit something I wasn’t supposed to hit it was behind the shoulder like cuz it was away I just hit
Exactly where I wanted m just like went in that far I think it was probably a little bit of user error too like I might have had the Broadhead set up wrong or something I don’t know in retrospect think so I don’t know I don’t
Know the Steep Ang like the down angle I don’t know it was it just wasn’t ideal yeah and that’s bow hunting too sometimes I mean there is there’s you can say whatever you want they very deadly a sharp arrow is very deadly but there’s more variables in Bow Hunting
Than there’s rifle hunting it’s all there is to it yeah and things like that happen no matter you know we want to control what we can control but there’s those variables you know you’re hoping the Broadhead performs you’re hoping you do everything right but you still need
Your rest to work you still need you know your string to not stretch so the cams are in time so it’s that arrow is hitting with its full velocity I mean there’s a lot that can happen there is yeah yeah it’s uh and also that makes Banting very
Heartbreaking at times oh yeah like like that time right there yeah you like I’ll think about that day and day and that’s yeah it’s one of those things lesson lesson learned yeah right do you think more about the the Lessons Learned or the successes it’s kind of a cliche yeah
Here’s I mean the honest truth of it you think about the successes more in the way that like I’ve got my antlers around and I’m looking at that thing and I’m thinking about that buck and I’m dreaming about that buck there’s like one meal de that I that sticks out in my
Mind though that I didn’t kill and it was a it was an absolute giant like it’s the biggest deer I’ve ever seen in my life like how big if you had to guess over 220 typical it would have been a world record oh my and I think about
That deer nearly daily and so what happened on that one I snuck in um it was like a huge play and it was actually uh I mean I could say this secretly to you but it was where you know where I ran into where you and I were hunting in
The same Place didn’t know it till later on it was in that exact place but years prior okay that’s why I hunted there so often well there was a good buck in there I think your brother killed it right we killed the two big bucks I know
And that was like so F I mean have you ever seen people back there no that was the only time well I might as well tell the story we tell the story because uh there’s a place that I hunted is like Nevada back country and we I hunted I
Kinded in there I mean I spent hundreds of days in there like I would go Scout it for a month and I would just like spend so much time in there and I know every deer and I would pass up I was that was a hunt where I had a specific
Buck in mine I hunted a certain Buck for like three years for the most part um but that this when I ran into there that was like after the The Hunt of this this one particular bck and my brother and I were like saw this vehicle at the trail
Head and it was like a rental car and we were just thinking like cuz people do hike and stuff like what the hell is this rental doing we were kind of a little concerned like is somebody dead up here do we need to help them out you know and then I think
We like looked I was like looking in the window see if we can kind of figure out what if they had like a bow case like they’re hunting okay great never hammering hat yeah no it’s like I think it was there was a a luggage tag on the
Thing that had your name on it I’m like okay this guy’s oh this guy’s probably fine yeah and then we in the exact we went to the exact same place yeah exact same place how many miles back was that too was it uh it was a it was a ways
Yeah yeah and like the lot yeah there’s a lot of places you could go and then I shot uh I spotted a buck that was by himself which doesn’t happen very often a nice like 4X five good solid good solid Buck I snuck in shot him and
It shot him right toward the end of the day and he went in around the corner so we didn’t just in case we didn’t want to like let’s get to Camp we’ll climb up to Camp set up camp and then go look for him in the morning and so the plan was
Like my brother was going to go across the canyon look back and then I was going to Blood Trail um and so I’m blood tra or we’re going and I spot a deer over on the other side and I I have my brother go get set up on it like just to
Make sure that it’s not the same deer so he sneaks in to like 10 and something yards and he radios me i i r to him he was like is that my buck and he’s like did your buck have a drop time and it
Had it had a kicker and I was like what I said well he had an extra point what do you mean drop TI he’s like a 5 in freaking drop TI I was like no said hold on sneaks down and smokes this Buck like runs down the mountain dies I continue
On the blood trail and there’s my dead buck so we both killed like two giant or not giant like his was pretty big his like a 190 type Buck we both killed mine was like one high 170s so we both killed like got two giant bucks on the same
Essentially the same day day ofart that’s impressive yeah it was awesome yeah I know I saw I was hunting that drop time Buck yeah that’s a good Buck oh my God great deer just like wide Big Fork and that was when you could hunt super early so he was he was like all
Balded up at the tips yeah great deer big deer he had I think he had another little kicker off the side too cool great deer um so yeah tell me about the 220 yeah yeah that one I so I essentially saw him first part of the Season got on him at
33 yards and this was like when I I was fairly I was pretty young I didn’t have like a lot of experience on big bucks I guess but you knew that was a giant oh yeah I know I mean I I yeah I still did
A lot of guing i’ seen I’ve been part of like a lot of big deer kills I knew exactly what what this this deer scored and and I know that I was had to been pretty close because my buddy ended up killing another buck in the group and I
Guessed him within a half an inch so it was like okay we know yeah we know exactly how big this deer is um but I got on 33 yards second or third day of the Season uh and he’s bedded essentially kind of like sleeping and I had this
This branch and I thought well I’m going to get in and get exactly 30 yards so I don’t have to like think about holding High holding high or anything like that just 30 yard pin right on the money and I would have a little bit just three yards further up
I would have a little bit less Skyline cuz I’m thinking he’s going to get up and if I just move over this Ridge just a little bit I’ll be fine and it had a clear path to crawl so I’m crawling up super slow I’ve been there for like
Probably 45 minutes an hour and so I’m crawling up and as I’m crawling up I feel the wind hit the back of my neck now and I was like before I I’m like starting to go and I feel the wind just do a quick swirl and that buck blew out
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Up had nothing to do with it but did you have a shot at him at 33 no oh well he had to stand up yeah all I could see it was tall Sage so I could see the back of his head and I thought about I should
Have shot him in the back of the head but well now you thought about that yeah no I thought about it while I was there did I would have never well this is a long story but I tried that later on and it didn’t work so I know that that would not have
Worked very good like theoretically theoretically it could have worked but I don’t think that I don’t think it would have worked uh so I saw that buck and then fast forward probably 20 something I solo hunted in there for like almost 30 days M so I think it was like 20 something days
Later I he was with another group of just some other giant deer did were you hunting him only I was hunting him only yeah like I passed up some absolutely giant bucks did you see him before that time yeah I’d seen him before I got in
At 33 yards and I lost him from for like 20 days or yeah 15 to 20 days something like that I can’t remember exact yeah something like that and whatever however long it was toward the end of the season at this point I sneak in and
I I sneak in all day stock like they’re bedded I’m above them I’m crawling in like this awesome he gets up and starts feeding underneath me I get my shot like 50 yards and this was before I really understood the angle thing so much you know what I mean there just wasn’t like
I’m thinking that arrow is going to go high the arrow is going high however I did aim low okay so I draw back and I’m at full draw Center and he kind of starts to turn his head I released that arrow and he just ducked that Arrow I
Mean just right over his back and blew out and at this point I knew that I didn’t have any more like The Season’s almost over I’ve hunted this buck so much and there’s a bunch of bucks in the in the group and another Buck steps out between where he was and essentially
Like the smallest buck in the group was still a big buck probably one of the smaller bucks in the group and I was like dude I just in some ways I was like I I’m not coming off this mountain without a deer like there’s no I knew
That like that buck just blew out of the country he just left the other deer you don’t have 20 more days to I don’t 20 more days to find him again I’m like I’m coming back next year and I shoot the the other Buck which is like one of the
Smallest bucks in the group and end up being the third largest buck shot with a bow in the state that year oh my God that was the smallest buck in the group like it just absolute giant giant and then we went back uh my buddy had a a rifle or
A muzzle it or rifle rifle tag that same season and so we went back in found the one of the other bucks that was in that group on that day and shot that buck that was I think that scored 197 and then and we never turned that big buck
Up again and then I hunted him for two more years that buck or nothing and never found him hunted every day the season looking for him never saw him again never saw him again and then just decided and then it was that year and then I shot that other
Buck so nobody must have killed him not I know of yeah I mean you would have heard about that Pro I would think if he was that big yeah yeah but that year there was like some giant deer got shot it was just a perfect year in that area
Like everything was right probably a lot of good mild winter is big like just everything was perfect for that particular area for big deer that year cuz like a neighboring unit um a guy had shot what was like a velvet world record that year and then another guy had shot
A good Buck I actually think a good Buck I shot in the rubies that year too um and then the buck that I shot and it was like one of the better bucks of the year I think uh didn’t Randy Elmer hunt around there uh he hunted what yeah sort
Of where he hunts is a little bit further east than where we were maybe a different Wilderness yep is it uh yeah I know he yeah he a different Wilderness yeah where he hunt where he shoots a lot of those big yeah I thought so yeah I
Mean that was my first time in there and it’s there wasn’t a ton of deer but yeah saw that there’s no hunters and they get occasional saw that one brother yeah I was trying to kill that one your brother killed for a few days but yeah yeah
Those were the only two good deer we saw that year though I think that was like cuz i’ I’d watched the that’s like like I said I spent a lot of time in there outside of looking for that one Bucks scouting hunting and just never turned
Up that deer and then I kind of slowly saw like the type of bucks Decline and so we knew that those other two deer were there or kind of had an idea about them being in there and then like all right those are good you know that’s
About as top those were top end bucks for that unit that year those are the best I think those were the best year in the unit that year in my opinion cool country too I love that country yeah I love that High Country like August High Country meal deer is my favorite cuz
It’s just like nice weather you can glass all day you can hike you can hunt the High Country you can just sleep on the ground it’s awesome I love it yeah I killed um a ruby I killed a nice buck in the rues I thought I saw it was a a four
Point is it this one no that one’s from Idaho I don’t I don’t know where it’s at but yeah it’s uh me and South did that I think like in 2005 and it that story where you said you can just sleep on the ground that was true except when the
Thunderstorms come through we got freaking pounded they oh yeah that’s a that’s a daily occurrence got pounded hammers I had shorts on I remember there’s a picture of me it was in Eastman’s where I was had a spotting scope and I had shorts on and then there’s just these nasty black clouds
There cuz yeah I mean it could be nice all day hot day and then man turn pretty crazy when the storms come through yeah we get some real cuz there’s a lot in Nevada there’s a lot of different it’s Mo it’s actually the most mountainous State most independent mountain ranges
And it’s like Valley Mountain Valley Mountain Valley Mountain and then the winds blow through there real windy and you get some cloud and it just creates these huge electrical storms nearly daily it’s like kind of dangerous in the High Country I get I get off the tops
I’ll do a lot of hiking to get away from that I think it blows a lot of people off Mountain yeah I mean cuz it’s it can be scary very scary I mean yeah as a human that’s been struck by lightning I don’t mess with it yeah I mean is so you
Have you been struck twice no just once everybody says twice I don’t know where this this this rumor comes from but like if he’s dumb enough to get hit once he’s probably dumb enough to get hit twice I say let’s say three times let’s really set let’s make it this a story right
Yeah okay so if it was just once tell us that time no I was I was a kid I was with my dad and it was like in the backyard it was one of those they call it like bolts over the blue we were in our backyard we we put up a basketball
Hoop um and a storm had like we lived up on a mountain and then there was a big like electrical storm over town below us and we were watching it blue skies above us cuz that’s how these storms rolling it’s like Cloud probably a mile away or
More and just bolt reached out and slammed us both had that what happened I mean I was pretty young it tossed me a long ways away he woke up before me he was paralyzed from the waist down um or like par like couldn’t move like he tried to
Crawl to me and couldn’t move and then I was laying there ambulance came everything I uh you know I just kind of remember waking up not knowing what the hell was going on it was pretty wild and then he you know his his version like seeing his kidling there thought I was
Dead couldn’t move ended up like he was I don’t know how long it was it was a little while but he he couldn’t walk or anything for a little while and then like everything came back like normal yeah oh my God weird that’s pretty intense like how long was it till he
Could walk uh it was a couple weeks I think really and H and did you have anything any side effects I mean just making me as odd as I am apparently no super you have superpowers or anything get I’m pretty sneaky so that’s what happened that’s what happened
Yeah that’s about it that is yeah that’s so did the did it hit in between you or did it hit one of you or no it hit both of us uh it hit me in my in my leg like above my knee and came out below my knee
My right leg man and then it hit him it hit him above the above the waist some I can’t remember exactly where it hit him um but it leaves like a it left like a pencil bruise like through my body him he would at the time he was running a
Lot and they actually said like his heart probably would have exploded if he wasn’t in such good shape holy sh well there’s one reason one reason like you get zaed guys on the golf course you know big yeah big fat guys is fine heart pops like a balloon yeah should have
Done more cardio exactly I mean and that’s just you know that’s just doctor talking theorizing who knows I don’t know if that’s true or not but that’s what they said to him it’s a hot tap yeah it’s also like you good good motivation inspiration oh that’s intense um all
Right so I was you earlier you said that not many white tail tree sand tactics or turkey tactics have you hunted white tail I have yeah yeah and I love I actually really like hunting wh they’re awesome I want to do this might sound weird but I like to
Hunt I actually I just love hunting yeah I’m just like I love to hunt and I like to hunt how other people might hunt where they hunt yeah like I I grew up guiding or I’m not grew up but like majority of my life has been guiding
People and I gu gu a lot of guys that that was their way of hunting and then they come out and do like an elk hunt yeah and in some ways it kind of made me want to do their style of hunting uh but I just haven’t like taken the time to do
It a lot I’ve kind of got like a a a short bucket list of things I like to do I really want to shoot a deer in Texas mhm cuz like watching real tree I would say I want to shoot a management Buck on a cero in Texas they like shoot these
Giant deer that’s a nice management Buck that’s what I I just want to shoot a management buck in Texas yeah uh I I’ve probably got opportunity to do it now but uh I I just don’t I’m it’s actually hard for me and I understand I’ve done
It a little bit the like sitting waiting game for white Tales M it’s there’s a whole mental aspect that not familiar with I need to move around it’s not my preferred style but I have I have done Ambush techniques and tactics um not a lot of tree stand sitting but I’ve
Killed deer out of a tree stand um in Wyoming and stuff I do hunt I hunt white Hils every year I I actually hunt white Hils a lot but mostly spot and stalker on the ground yeah that’s how I like it too yeah you you mentioned uh the
Management buck in Texas it was my first it was my first out ofate HT but I went to the Y Ranch in Texas like in the early 90s I thought I was going to be a outdoor Rider I couldn’t afford the trophy trophy hunt back then even but
You could get two management bucks for $3,000 so I’m like okay management Buck it is and I went down there and it was a first time down there and how they how they did it at this time was like there’s corn feeders on the rigs like so
You just drive down the road hit the switch the corn like that you go and you turn around and come then start coming back then all the animals down the road right and uh so they had Exotics and everything else I think they still said
You could put it in pop and young and I don’t know if it was I don’t it seem like it was high fence but it huge so I can’t I don’t really know I mean I wasn’t killing any bucks or were going to record book anyway but I remember we
Walked or we drove up there and there was this little tiny 8 point maybe about like this and it was the guy’s like I said what is that a management Buck cuz it could it either like a seven point or something weird or like I guess they’d call it if it had
Terrible genetics that’d be a management even though it’s a uniform 3×3 with IG guard just would be an eight point and I I said what about that one he’s like yeah that’s a management buck and he’s like you want to try to to hunt it I
Said I mean I can just shoot it from here so it was I was used to hunting out west you know and you practice long shot so anyway I ended up killing that buck and then a little seven point they both were probably about this big but is that
What you’re after in Texas no like the ones that are like this big but it just it like yeah it’s only got uh three points four points for side something like that no it’ be like it’s well it’s 10 on the one side but only nine on the
Other nine on the other that’s not that’s management that’s management that’s doing it doing my job to take those jeans out you know feed the 200 iners dude I never I mean I never even even after that we don’t talk management stuff out west usually I mean I’ve never
Even I hadn’t we’re not the big what is it qdma right isn’t that what where that started like quality deer management associations like you you call out you shoot the inferior ones we didn’t that wasn’t a thing out here no like if you didn’t shoot it somebody else would is
Thing out here yeah you better shoot that foror yeah otherwise somebody else will mhm yeah we didn’t have that option um so in I mean you’ve hunted everywhere and you said you know 320 days one year but uh what do you think is like a a bow
Hunter’s best tool to have in his Arsenal what is like if you had one skill that was above all the others what would what would that be I think like if you’re just if you just want to be successful uccessful and you could do one thing mhm it it’s a
Level of paying attention like this the biggest mistake I see people do whether they’re stocking in where is like they’re walking with their head down and it’s the easiest thing to do is like I can tell I can go out with a guy and know how competent he is within 3
Seconds of watching him walk oh really yeah like cuz people like walk like this or stalk like this or they’re so concentrated on right in front of them it’s like no the guys that are really good are looking out here their heads are not like you can you’ve walked your
Entire life you don’t need to be like down on the ground like being attention head up head on a swivel looking around being alert because it’s the one that you don’t see that busts you it’s the things are constantly moving and changing like any sport it’s like when
You’re first playing I don’t know like say soccer and you’re like you’re looking down at the ball in the feet and the pros are like looking out here at the goal right like it’s not so I think that that’s just it’s super easy to do it’s like put your head on swivel move
In and and and pay attention yeah I I think it is like anything else so there’s some people who if they’re not looking where their feet are going they’re stepping on [ __ ] kicking [ __ ] you know it’s like I know what you’re saying because to to be good you have to
Have your heads up but you also have to be aware of it I don’t know how I do it or how to explain it but it’s like I look one time and then I know where to place my feet for you know 10 yards or whatever 100% yeah so I mean you’re
Looking but barely and it’s just enough and then you know that through experience that where to put your feet exactly yeah what I used to do like it’s well guiding sometimes there’s not everybody’s in the same physical shape that you would be in right so there’s
You’re like doing a lot of I would just consider it I think it’s like slow walk like trudging like I’ve got a certain pace and I need do my pace so I didn’t W far away so I just slow myself down I used to play this game I would just like
Look around not even think about it and then I’d pick a stick like off in the distance and i’ would close my eyes and walk and place my foot on that stick okay you know it was just a fun game that I would just do because I bored
Like waiting for somebody so that that would slow me down so I’d walk essentially long pretty good ways like I don’t know 20 ft or more like pretty good your peripheral vision can really see the ground and there’s certain times where it’s like okay look down check you
Know place your foot if I got to feel the ground I mean I feel I also feel the ground with my feet too I kind of you kind of use your everything available to you some people just like they don’t recognize that their feet feel the
Ground it’s like oh there’s a stick and they’re just going to throw all their weight on they’re going to they’re going to just walk and drag their feet or they’re going to do whatever but yeah you can you can get I I got surprisingly good it’s weird how just your brain can
Build the picture and you just can navigate like over the log with your eyes closed once you’ve seen it I I did that for I I’ve spent hours doing that not out of like trying to practice anything just to slow me down and I i’
Just be bored like trying to get to a spot middle of the day like moving and you got a guy like walking behind you like okay I’m just going to do this with my eyes closed I’d go miles like that like open them close them open them
Close them it was just something like a Time killer for me that slow me down and it was like a mental cuz otherwise I just be like come on can we just like it’s just right here dude please just just walk yeah yeah no I I I get it and
That that’s good training for sure I mean I’ve always thought of thought of it as um like in football where they’d have the running backs run through the tires you know I mean I think a lot of those guys were looking at the tires but
If you could get your H your feet in the tires and have your head up to look to where to cut afterwards I always thought of about like that like quick feet um Good Foot placement I thought of hunting like that too and and I know there’s something about being aware too about
Not just putting all your weight on that cuz I feel stuff all the time and then don’t finish the step or you know you kind of like your foot goes down it doesn’t have to go down all at one time you know I mean it’s good to place it
And then feel it as you go but I think people miss that part of it they do and it’s like it’s going to be really hard to be a good bow hunter without that awareness yeah I think most people don’t even know they just kind of Bramble
Around like bowling a china shop and they just don’t know that they’re so loud I’ve got I think I have like a specific look like I’m always looking back like with this this glare and that glare means like dude you’re loud can you stop kicking every like stop
Dragging pick your feet up place your foot don’t slam your heels into everything like there’s certain you know balsom root the one that’s uh like almost looks like a Muer and it dries up and it’s super loud that’s alarm bells for Mu people just kick through that
Stuff and not even pay attention like they don’t even notice that they’re doing it so that level of being self-aware and aware of the sounds you’re making and then also not being so timid then you get the opposite with so worried about everything you kind of got
To you kind of learn that little flow of like when you can move when you can be loud when you have to be quiet MH but that’s experience and being aware right it’s uh you know the other pet so I got a couple hunting with people first of
All I hate hunting with people but if we’re going to film it unless yourself filming like have it’s just part of the nature of the beast but uh couple things that drive me crazy with somebody else in addition to kicking everything or whatever but the pants swishing oh
Yeah when you’re walking and then talking like in a normal voice yeah or even like it’s not even it’s like a lower voice but still like the regular voice it’s instead of the whisper type thing it’s like I don’t think people realize how [ __ ] far your voice carries in the mountains when especially
If it’s clear out oh yeah I mean miles those animals can hear you it seems like I was I was hunting a spot last you last last year late season and I was up on a mountain doing some glassing and I had some buddies that had it was a buddy
That had a tag and I’m literally I felt like a I don’t probably not a mile but a long ways away mhm and I radi him I was like I can hear you guys talking God it was just one of those the wind was youell
Just bsing you know I’m like dude uh I can hear you guys so imagine what the deer far I mean so far that whole Basin had to know that oh there’s H you humans here yeah I’ve always been in that mindset like especially with a bows like
You do not want those animals to know you’re there and I’d see it all the time where guys would be like oh well it’s not they they’re so far away they they don’t care like they aren’t running away I like yes they are not running away because if they ran away from every
Danger not in their immediate presence then they would be running all the time however they are aware and when you get into that zone things change that might mean a jumping buck that might mean a buck that’s heads up more hyperware yeah cuz they heard something they heard
Something and they know that there’s Predators here and now when they hear a stick crack when you’re within 40 yards instead of looking and then going back to feeding they’re going to look and stare yeah and that’s the difference between success and failure exactly like I would do the same thing like guys
Would go say a ridge and they’re standing on the certain Ridge where we would glass or they I’ve even seen it where it’s like there’s a ridge that I would always Park a ways away walk around sit like sneak over the top using brush and cover and sit there in glass
It’s like oh well those those deer aren’t running cu the guy’s got his truck up there like yeah until that guy gets to go on a stock m mhm and then he just blows them out because they’re they they know that the danger is there that’s that’s huge no nothing goes
Unnoticed I mean if a Buck’s getting age on him he’s hurt a lot been around a lot yeah you know identified a lot of hazards that he’s avoided you know and that’s just part of it yeah I don’t think people I don’t think people give the animal the credit for the the survival
Instincts it has you know to get old for sure and yeah it’s all those I I even like I know you probably tell me about this but when I’m on a stock I’m always thinking about what kind of barriers not just for Sight but also for sound you
Know if I’m on the other side if I can use the other side of the Ridge and then pop over instead of trying to stock on the same side of the ridge because that sound will I know that sound’s going to carry right to them or on the other side
You can get away with so much more or just just small barriers like that definitely in the Shadows all the time I mean I see people that are you know that hunt and they’re if I’m if there’s a brush there or something there I’m always going on the Shady Side as
Opposed to the sun side even if it You’ think like doesn’t M we hadn’t seen anything but I’m still always in the shadows is that kind of what you do yeah 100% yeah like move from Shadow to Shadow stop and yeah cuz there it’s like it’s the it’s all the little things and
It’s it’s come combination of I mean over the years I’ve just found that that’s how you become consistently successful is accounting for all the really small things right and if you’re accounting for those all small things then the big things you’re clearly accounting for and and it all adds up to
Maybe a little bit better opportunity maybe maybe maybe you were standing there and you popped over a ridge and you’re glassing or you’re looking you don’t see anything and a deer happens to walk up right and you’re standing in the sun side well now everything that has to
Go right it’s like it’s it’s easier for that deer to see you um the sun’s on you he’s going to catch the limbs drawing he’s going to catch a lot of things he has more opportunity for that to go wrong but if you did the one small thing
Of being maybe in that shade you could grab an arrow off and knock it without that flash hitting him and maybe he’s still unaware and then you might have that opportunity to draw back and get a shot so just a small little thing amounts to larger things down and all
Those little tiny little details compound yeah is uh so thinking of that too I was I was as you were explaining that I was thinking about do you when you’re stocking an animal I would say me deer because it’s so tough but if the wind is unstable are
You staying back till it settles down and then you know as as we get maybe early in the morning when it’s going downhill or later at night when it’s going uphill better that is that when you’re closing in or how do you do it
Yeah I kill a lot I I actually just did like a I like put compiled a lot of data of just like successful hunts bow hunts for me deer and I I would say over half like probably 60 something per are killed between 11 and 3 p.m. middle of
The day M and it’s because like that’s the best situation for The Thermals to stabilize and push that wind up into the sky especially early season um because after three now they’re it’s switching again because the sun’s dropping cooling it’s pulling down but in 11 it’s
Up so it’s coming up then so in that 4 hours it’s the best time for the wind is what you’re finding yeah I think it’s it’s probably the best time for the wind most stable shadows and also the animal is generally more you know where they’re going to be cuz they’re bedded correct
Yeah cuz like before that like a meal deer like just particularly a me deer will go he’ll feed in the morning then he’ll go to bed but it’s just a temporary bed he beds he sits down uh it might be shaded and then what happens is
As the sun’s Rising it’s rising and that Shadow’s moving and so he wants to stay in the shade early especially early season this is primarily early season but that shade moves because the sun’s more intense yeah well it’s just it’s just that this the sun’s moving at a I
Guess at that Arc but when it’s up above the Shadows stay consistent the longest got so as the sun’s higher in the sky there’s that point in the day where it’s like moving less the Shadows are moving less and so when the Shadows are moving less when the Sun hits that buck he’s
Going to get hot and re Reed mhm and so when the shadow moves less he’s tucked in longer and then also it causes the ground to warm up which pushes The Thermals into the into the air so you might have a swirly wind but the thermal might be stronger than the swirling wind
So it’s it’s throwing your scent up so if that wind kind of quickly shifts then it might shift but it’ll be above where he can where he can smell and so that’s that’s always a good tactic but that’s not to say that I just that’s the only
Time that I stocked here because that’s not always an ideal situation there’s a lot of places where that might not work like early season open country High Country yeah that’s a great tactic but there’s places where you have to use Ambush tactics in the mornings and evenings while they’re feeding and I’ve
Killed a lot in the evening and a lot in the morning um and so you you you change your strategy based on the time of day and the winds and and everything like that but for the most part i’ say say on elk wind is the number one factor that
Busts you mhm cuz they like they like to bed on those ridges and the places they intentionally bed where the wind Swirls and they kind of bed in multiple positions right they do that intentionally um and then I think with Muer noise probably gets you the
The wind and noise but yeah it’s like a toss coin toss between the two how many how often if you killed bucks coming to water or food source as opposed to spot and stocking uh I’m trying to think I don’t know when you say data is that your own data my
Own just like fcks that I’ve killed so you you write how much of this data do you have I mean on your kills do you go back after the fact and write everything you remember yeah some I mean it’s more just like a spreadsheet oh so it’s like
Okay it’s just like thinking about bucks that I’ve deer that I’ve guided ones that we’ve killed I’ve killed so I just just but here’s the thing is like the data is skewed to my particular style of hunting right if I like to sit water then it be like
Oh I shoot them all at 4:45 p.m. when they come in or like right at first light it’s very skewed to my style of spot and stock hunting but um It also says like the middle of the day I I’m very successful on most animals in the
Middle of the day when most guys are like back at Camp that’s when I do a lot of killing what I mean why why do you do that I mean is that because history has taught you that that’s when you kill or is it that’s the
Best time to kill or uh I think for for stalking in for me particularly and the way that I like strategize it that that’s the most successful portion of the day for me so for some people that might not be right if their skill set didn’t lend itself to to capitalizing on
Those opportunities maybe they’d be better off waiting at the water for once a b bucks get up in the afternoon before they go feed they’re hitting water right yeah yeah so it just depends on like your style of hunting but I don’t know I found that that’s a pretty successful do
You have an average shot distance that you’ve noticed yeah I think for Mu deer it’s dude I can’t remember it was it’s like 43 yards something like that there’s some outliers like some pretty far and some really close it just averages in that like 40 range
43 yeah that’s I mean I feel like if I have a buck at 43 I should be able to kill it yeah is that is out yeah okay that that leads me to my next question how often are you shooting like how good a shot are you I mean I shoot quite
Often uh is it a strength of yours do you think yeah I would say well shooting at animals high strength I for some reason like I’ve just done it a lot and I’ll do like I think I’ve gotten like a lot of repetition in other places that’s
Why I like I like hunting other places like I’ll go to Hawaii New Zealand places where I can just do a lot of hunting and and not have to worry about that one tag a year right like it’s it’s very automatic for me um shooting at
Targets I mean yeah I shoot targets all the time but I think that my strength is in shooting hunting situations I guess just staying probably staying calm and just making good decisions that’s why I see a lot of people who are great shots they’re not good in crunch time correct
Yeah and I think that’s a that’s a learned skill too because I remember remember when I would get to crunch time you the animal was there perfect position and you’re just rushing through it because it’s like this is it’s now and you’re just making it happen that’s
Where I would screw up a lot now if I can just go in there still be calculating calculated heart rate is fine making good decisions that’s that’s what separates the best from the rest is from what I see because I just see a lot
Of and I I just speak for myself I just know that I screwed up a lot in crunch time when I first started with is that what your experience was too yeah I I think I think that it was more along the lines of like you’d practice well one of
The things that I stress for people especially getting into bow hunting is they practice they shoot I could you know I shoot hundreds of arrows a day I still do MH I shoot every day but like shooting at a Target in your backyard on flat ground and being a really good shot
It targets has absolutely nothing to do with being a maybe not not nothing to do but it has very little to do with the kind of shots you’re making in the field MH right so then what happens is a guy is like oh I practice all the time they
Get in the repetitions and then they get a certain kind of shot where they’ve actually never done that what kind of shot would that be the one that like I realized was one of my weaknesses was like the shot where you know you’re you’re drawing back say on your out of
Sight your drawback you come to full draw but you’re maybe in a position where you if you stand up fully you’re skylined or something so you’re just shooting just above the brush where you’re literally in like a chair squat position shooting downhill at like a
Steep angle or a steep up it’s a very difficult shot to do and people was like that’s the first time they’re ever going to do it that you’re going to shank that shot every time right like you’re just you’re going to shoot high or low or
You’re going to you’re going to going to rush it cuz you’re unstable you’re uncomfortable things like that or a shot where it’s like a bull’s coming in they’re full draw and they have to hold it hold it hold it hold it hold it hold it and like they’re going to hold it
Because an elk’s coming in but when they’ve been shooting in their backyard they’ve just drawback shoot drawback shoot drawback shoot that kind of stuff yeah you know like the the stuff that you just encounter or the shot to of like a lot of people just focus on the
Target and not the flight path of the arrow I’d say that’s the biggest mistake so it’s like if I when I shoot I try to really mimic hunting situations cuz like I see a lot of people I would say most the things I I don’t know it’s never
Ideal for me it’s always like there’s [ __ ] in the way there’s like it’s it’s fat it’s whatever and so I’m like that’s the kind of thing that I I want to be good at and so like shooting through stuff I’ve got really good at understanding like I can
See I know my head where my arrows flying and I can really like thread the needle pretty darn good and I feel like I’ve got a lot of success from that yeah that M that makes sense I’m everybody has their different ways of do it I know
I had a few guests here and like when we’d go out to Wayne’s to shoot it would be like I would make stuff up like oh our feet stuck in quick sand but we have to shoot behind us yes or squatting down just with on your on your toes but
You’re squatted all the way down and shoot at 107 yards yeah that those are hard shots like yeah or or I did one leg like stand on one like or then I also did one time when Dan ston was here I was like we took off from Camp I
Accidentally grabbed your bow so we shot at 70 yards I shot with his bow he shot with mine so I’m always like it’s more like fun or even sitting here in the driveway I’ll sh put my window down and just shoot and that’s that’s just to try to reinforce that trajectory of the
Arrow you know I know at 40 yards I know my arrow is going to go right by my truck mirror so it’s not going up very high to go up high it’s going to be back at 80 yards and then I better be paying attention how high that arrow is going
So it’s like all those little things is of course anybody you know you go down at 20 yards and you’re hitting the A and you can shoot a 300 with 60 xes that’s awesome I’m not saying it doesn’t help in hunting but there’s a lot lot of different things that would help more
Yeah that that’s what I’m saying is like getting shooting you need to be proficient at shooting and and repetitions are a good way to build the form but in the mountain the form changes right and you got to like that’s the thing that I find is like you said
An elk’s coming in you’re at full draw and then the elk walks over here and the first the natural reaction is people just like move at the hips but don’t reposition feet so torque you’re putting like undo torque on the bow and if it’s a like far distance you’re talking about the difference
Between hitting it here or six or 8 Ines one way or the other depends on how far it is yeah and just like and because it’s you’re you’re just not shooting the same as you are when you’re shoot just shooting yeah but I mean I do like I put
In the repetitions of just shooting the bow like shoot the Bow Shoot the Bow Shoot the bow I’ve got a flat Target in my backyard and I just shoot it and go back and shoot and then I’ve got like a 3D range where I essentially can shoot
Super steep angles brush in the way uh whatever whatever it is and then I’ll just like you said play those games you can do it you don’t have to have like a 3D range you could do it in your backyard at 20 yards but how you going
To do that is just you getting yourself in those uncomfortable positions those weird things that just help you build that muscle memory for the thing is you don’t want to encounter a situation in the field with your boat that you’ve never done before right that’s a cuz you’re going to screw
It up like yeah I had an opportunity last week uh there was a deer coming in I was hunting access deer in tall grass and I had my re I was a recurve with me not it’s like a long curve but shoots like a long bow but
It’s a recurve mhm and I’m like if this thing comes in I’m going to have to shoot it laying down yeah like well I’ve shot laying down so it’s not like a new thing that that situation they ended up no but fully prepared to lay down and
Just let like so laying on your back laying on my back that’s with a that’s with a Trad bow I wouldn’t you that’s not possible with a compound I did one just messing around U me Tanner out at Wayne’s and I was like had the target
Set up and then I wanted to draw back and I shot through the analy’s legs so it’s like I had to like lean over like this and then the Arrow was wanting to come off the rest cuz it was like caned so much but am I ever going to have to
Do that hunting I freaking hope not cuz it was super hard but I’m always I just get bored yeah I think it’s that’s more the biggest thing is I get bored just at the normal shooting so I have to I want to shoot at 200 yards or try to hit a
Balloon or it’s just really hard for me to stay engaged when it’s just the regular shot yeah I I agree with that it’s like you got to you keep you keep your mind moving that’s what I I probably if if you were just tell me to
Go shoot paper X’s the guys that are really good it’s like it’s kind of in my mind like sitting for white tails in a way it’s just like I don’t have that patience factor to it’s just there’s a mental ability there that I’m not great
At like I just get really bored with it personally that’s not there’s nothing against it love it the guys that are good at it I respect the hell out of them for doing it I just get bored with it mhm have you ever shot like tournament like
The the try to shoot a 300 type thing no I haven’t not not the paper thing I’ve done I did a couple indoor 3D tournaments like Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation used to do it and I would do that it was just fun you know actually
Won it a couple times but it that was fun CU it’d be like a popup there’s like an elk that’ pop up and move it’s like a walking elk and then they they’d pop up at various ranges and so time it was a I actually really enjoyed that when they
Did that it’s been a while since they’ve had that though now one of my favorite thing yeah I don’t know if I ever did that but I had uh Levi Morgan out here and I it was kind of I was tried to make it make it unfair I was like going to my
Home range out here and all these crazy shots I was practicing every day during the week like okay I know where to stand here this is 86 yards you got to shoot under this Limb and it’ll go over that Limb and so I thought okay when he comes
I’m going to no home court advantage and he still beat me but we were we were doing like all these super hard shots and I just I loved it it it was so great I’ve actually got to shoot with him one time and that’s that’s when you’re like
Are you a good shot and that’s like he popped in my mind I’m like no I’m not a good shot like he’s a good like he’s a great shot I’m a good shot he’s a great shot I know it’s like that’s a that’s just a different level yeah
Impressive I think it claim to I think I won two Targets in a row and that was like okay I freaking did something that’s cool but yeah he was like never set foot on that course and I mean seemed like we started off and every arrow was like perfect perfect yeah I’m
Like if I hit lungs I’m like okay I’m doing good here he’s like in the 12 you know of the Heart Center of the center God dang that’s go yeah it’s it’s that’s next level too but still even even that is not hunting right you know because on
Those you have as much time as you as you need on and hunting it’s like you have all those same shots but the clock’s going yeah and that’s what where people screw up or you know you see like an animal range it range it and then
It’s and then it takes two steps it’s like well you know that those targets don’t move like you know how far they are whatever range estimation I think is actually pretty key in hunting as well if you’re good at range estimation mean so once you get because now you get the
Yardage on probably every shot pretty much right um but you’re saying like adjusting if they move and not having to re range but knowing how to get like you range they take couple steps okay or watch you’re at full jaw already you know understanding like that estimation there’s those instances where
It’s like the animal maybe I didn’t have time to range or whatever does that happen very often to you not a lot but it happens yeah yeah no I I really try to lock in that range first it makes it makes a big difference and I I do as
Well but there are instances where you know mostly like elk I uh like unless they’re far you know you’re just like okay I know I’ll close that out like yeah I’ll use usually yeah I don’t know I’m so paranoid now before I never you know we didn’t have rangefinders so we shot and
You had to judge all the time I mean you had to know how to judge now it’s like that’s not a skill you almost need to develop anymore because of the rangefinder so I think a lot of people I do kill still like sometimes you know I don’t use one of the sites
That like the Garmin where you can just do it so I still it’s still a process to let up range or whatever so I think I am pretty good at like that if they take the one or two steps knowing where to hold because I practice that all the
Time too because I have that um the site I generally been hunting with has a single post with the m the three pins in it and I know I know what the top pin is Middle pin is and I know you know kind of how to adjust on the Fly and that’s what’s
Hard is like if I know the yard Ag and I know exactly to hold right on it’s still having that same amount of confidence if I know that it took two more steps still like aiming as hard and knowing without a doubt how to where to hold exactly that’s what’s hard because
I think a lot of people like back in the day and I don’t know how how you do it where you mentioned that buck was 33 you wanted to get 30 so he could hold right on it’s like having that same amount of confidence in the holding the 33 I think
People struggle with that yeah that’s that’s another thing that I practice a lot is like the off yardage off range yard so you I’ll R I’ll have a pin set like just because you have a movable pin or you’ve got multiple pins I shoot the
Gaps a lot or shoot that like I’ll even set my 20 yard pin and know my I know my holds for very like far distances without move setting my pin right like I know my holdovers pretty well when I’m familiar with my bow yeah I try that
Too and just seeing I just want to know where if it’s 20 and I use my 30 yard pin what is that what happens yeah you know and how that’s a good one to get at yeah the Kentucky windage it looks yeah let’s let it rip I
Just know that I I hate to like you don’t want to rely on the luck but but sometimes I like being surprised like wow that worked out perfect instead of the other way yeah cuz been the other way too but uh I think that that does come with the Reps
And like the different animals and just you know never being really we’re always going to there’s going to be different situations but not being surprised right and I think like all the hunting you’ve done in the different countries and the different animals and the different it
That only help has to help when you come back home oh for sure that’s why like I did it cuz you’re like oh you go on a meal deer hunt and I put all this time in and that’s like I’m shooting it one deer a year if you mess up but I could
Go somewhere else and shoot it like have put in the Reps of like okay I got multiple stocks you can there’s just more times to mess up right more and then you kind of start to build a rhythm of like this is how this is how this is
How I do it next time and then you start to like figure out the the best way mhm what’s uh like tell me about it that a time where everything worked out absolutely perfect and what what why does it stand out like if you think of like somebody
Said where you did everything right and it just couldn’t have win any better what’s that example that you think of I mean the biggest deer I’ve ever killed was was that like I made it was not an ideal situation but I did everything for the most part right was
It that I remember seeing a giant in the sage yeah that was that buck how big was that buck he was 217 oh my was that with a recurve no that was with a that was with a compound yeah I just I remember the buck and I remember the white open
Sage picture so tell me about it yeah I mean I spotted the buck and they were it was morning they were going from feeding to bedding M and they were moving up a mountain and so my thought was like they’re all single file and they were
Kind of I could see them was like there’s only going to be bedding on one I I figured I had never hunted in there there before but I figured I looked at it real quick and I was like this is where they’re going to go yeah so I just
Bombed off the mountain sprinted up the other side cuz I was going to beat them to the top what were they feeding on like essentially um I the bottom I don’t know like it wasn’t like a a there were egg Fields but not where they were so I
Don’t know if they were like coming from maybe some egg in the morning and then that’s prob they were probably Fe yeah they were probably feeding in some EG like at night and then we’re transitioning back to bed is was my guess MH and so they were they were
Moving up um and I’m like I’m going to beat him to the top and trying to beat a meal deer that’s a mile and a half away is tough like even if they aren’t they weren’t like running but they weren’t yeah they move quick so I get to the top
And I catch antler tips below me and it was that like a buck looks up and I just laid down I laid there for like 20 minutes just didn’t like forced myself not to just calm down how far away was it ooh probably 60 70 70 80 or something like that and
He didn’t see you but you saw Anor tips yeah I could see well no one of the Bucks I think almost like could have seen me I don’t know you know when they’re like you don’t know if a deer’s looking at you or whatever so I just
Laid there m it was quite a few bucks in the group and then they continued to feed off and move but there was I counted the deer before they went up and there’s two deer missing and the big buck wasn’t there so I’m like okay so I
Waited wait I didn’t know if I he’ gone out of my sight or what but the other deer moved off so I just waited and it got warm and I figured there was a couple trees below where I was at so I’m going to go stock into
There cuz that’s the only place that maybe he would have stopped M so I’m stalking in and sure enough I see there was a small 3×3 and I didn’t see him but I figured there was like a a a big tree and a ledge that I was stocking in on and so
I’m just decided I’m just going to sit here and wait and I don’t know if it was what it was the buck this is where it’s like everything went right and wrong at the same time yeah um I can’t remember I think I must have ranged across the canyon
Before you know I was sitting there like sneak into a beded buck and the first thing I do is just get all the ranges everything so I knew approximations and that little three-point was here so I’m waiting and then all of a sudden I just see the
Three points head Whi back toward me m and like this is not good and he blows out oh and as he’s blowing out I just come to full draw yeah and the big buck goes across like runs but I he had no clue why that deer was blowing out I think something like
The three-point like ran out and must have you know they just like run from their bed and stop and look so he did that and I am already at full draw and I just ront and the big buck boom stops on the brakes and at that point arrows on
Its way 46 I shot it for 46 yards so you PR you knew it was 46 I well I yeah I was fairly confident it was it about 46 45 it was I just remember ranging this kind of the the canyon across and all I ranged everything trying to memorize
Everything but in that moment you’re like all right you kind of tell yourself like if this happens this is what I’ll do yeah he he went across made a perfect shot ran the hill oh man that’s a giant buck that was a giant buck so because
I’m not good now we are going to go to the crowd for questions the crowd we got a standing room only crowd in here I like it what’s our yeah we got a couple couple good questions on here all right all right well this one is for both you guys in
Your opinion Bridger chaplain is wondering what is the hardest state to elk hunt and what is the best state ooh the hardest state to elk hunt I would say a state with no elk that would be like Vermont yeah oh know there’s elk in Vermont I think is there uh yeah
Maryland uh yeah Maine maybe there’s no El in Maine probably tough to kill a good Bull in Maine yeah pretty tough to kill a bull in main let’s just put some guidelines on it the states that have elk in okay the so he wants the best
Place to K killing elk yeah dude I don’t know I don’t like going state by state cuz it just it’s like going to deter people from somewhere where it’s like that would probably then be the best place yeah I think New Mexico’s hard to beat for elk in my opinion I think it’s
A great I like the type of terrain there I think the best state to kill an elk would be I don’t know New Mexico yeah that’s my thought yeah I’ve killed a few Bulls there I would I would say so how I look at it is if you have no other options
Your State’s the best yeah the close the one closest to you because I think all things being equal if you could hunt anywhere Oregon has to be at the bottom I mean it’s it’s kind of a shitty elk hunting State um but when that’s all you had like that was
The only options I had it was a great state and I loved it because I got a chance to hunt elk every year because Oregon’s kind of managed for opportunity as opposed to Trophy where Arizona you know it’s hard to get tag in Arizona you
Might never hunt it but if you if you do hunt it you might have a chance at a good Bull in Oregon you can hunt every year so to me Oregon was amazing but now that I’ve been at a lot of different elk hunting places Oregon is not the
Greatest yeah I say the bet you’re right the best place is wherever you can get a tag and I think I’d rather hunt one unit five times than five units once like what you’re going to learn yeah so there there is that of like if you’re coming
To go elk hunting being able to go to a spot like where I El hunt the most I wouldn’t travel to El hunt but it’s just where I El hunt yeah it’s like if you El hunt where I El hunt you’ve driven through some of the best El hunting in
The world to get to me right but it’s what I know so it’s really successful for me yeah and that’s that’s I think it’s just as opposed to a specific State CU you could say one state and every unit every drainage is completely different than the next yeah there’s
Places in like well you know Arizona where there’s some of the best Bulls in the world and then there’s places where it’s really tough hunting M so you just it just depends yeah I mean and Oregon’s another good example of that and Washington and California for that
Matter probably but uh like in Oregon on the west side it’s Roosevelt elk or a complet that’s a completely different animal than Rocky Mountain say eag cap Wilderness so it’s yeah the state it’s hard to say what state it’s is best because there’s different features in in
Each state but um what if you you get one elk hunt for the rest of your life and then you’re done what where you pick but you get to pick and you get the tag every year no you get one tag for the rest of your life oh so you get one
Opportunity yeah where are you going to go uh I would go to San Carlos and I’d be there with you perfect never been in there but it looks awesome so heck yeah let’s go for it yeah I mean that has to be if you could only hunt one one place
And it had to be that was it for your whole life it feels like San Carlos would be a good one yeah giant Bulls um and they’ve Managed IT I mean if you there’s these old videos and I talked about this before but it’s like giant blls of the San Carlos that I
Watched I don’t know how many times we used to watch it at the borack like oh yeah on repeat and uh it’s been a producer of big bulls forever and so yeah I mean I don’t the way they manage it they don’t they don’t over hunt it so
They’ve kind of protected that the jeans you know and uh yeah that’s cool so we’re both hunting there I’m in okay that’s a good question thanks Dan you got another one for us yeah this one is from AJ Watts 74 this one’s for Remy uh back to the guiding topic when uh
Like shopping for a guide or an outfit what does someone look for to identify a good guide SL Outfitter that’s tough because the good ones you’ll know because you cannot get in right like that’s just unfortunate they’re they’re the supply and demand is like the guys that are really good it’s
Really hard to get a spot um but outside of that I would say you’d want to first talk to Guy guys that have been there references are a great way one of the things things like when I was starting out outfitting I would give references of both successful and unsuccessful
Hunters talk to the guys that were not successful because those are going to be the guys that tell you how hard that guy works and the all the things irrelevant of their success there’s some guys that’s like okay the success is high but it’s just an absolute [ __ ] show mhm
And and they just think like oh success will cover a multitude of sins it’s like they get a bow it doesn’t even matter how horrible it was I’d rather talk to the guy of like what was the hunting experience like and does that experience line up with the experience you’re
Looking for outside of just being successful like is this the kind of hunt that I want to go on talk to the guys that weren’t successful and like if it sounded like this guy worked really hard I wasn’t successful because of this maybe it was on them maybe just tough
Conditions maybe whatever but hey I had a really good hunt I had a really good hunting experience cuz that’s the that’s what separates the guys that are really good from the guys or just you know have a bad experience that that would be my suggestion that’s a tough one too
Because you know how men are we don’t like accepting responsibility for if if they weren’t successful or if I’m not successful I got to be really honest to be like yeah that’s on me most guys are going to blame for some reason you know most most guys are overestimating their
Own ability all the time and so yeah if you can get get a unsuccessful Hunter who’s honest about it and will just that’s very valuable yeah it’s uh that’s a tough business guiding and outfitting it is I mean why do you enjoy it I I
Don’t know um I think it’s it was that glutton for punishment yeah it was that vehicle to get me hunting more right it’s like I had one elk tag but I could go on I don’t know 20 30 El [ __ ] a year yeah essentially by like yeah I was the
One pulling I was doing everything but the final pulling the trigger releasing the arrow like literally everything even up like setting up the gun and like okay so I knew it was like it was just the ability to continually be out there and continually be hunting that was the
Vehicle for me I saw no other way to do it feasibly like realistically it’s like how can I hunt all the time that’s how I did it and I loved it I still love it yeah and then to like I think it’s like a good it’s a good showcase of testing
Your success to be able to get somebody something that doesn’t have your skill set so there is that kind of like you have to account for a lot of things and there’s a little bit of a pressure element that I like dislike but like just drives me mhm what do you mean
Pressure element of like wanting to be successful for that person okay you know like it’s putting a little bit of pressure on or a lot of pressure in a way of like this is you go into it like this is very difficult and now it’s even
More difficult and now I have to like go even harder in a weird way is uh I know what you’re saying I I haven’t guided but I’ve taken a lot of people hunting and there’s times when I don’t I’m not I guess I’m sort of speaking for
But it feels like I want success more than they want success and so you’re like I have had to I mean because I hunt I like being successful I mean it’s like what drives me every day and have you had that like being negative like you’re pushing too hard because you like have
You you know what I’m saying about you want it more than they wanted almost so it’s different like if I’m on a a hunt where I’m like the physical like the guide and that’s my job is different than like if I’m taking my wife or a
Friend or a new Hunter out okay and over the years like you kind of it I kind of approached those two things completely different like when I got when my wife started hunting when I took her out it was I didn’t success was the last on the list what was on the
List was like the hunting experience and understanding like the things that I like about it that’s very healthy and and also like in a weird way and I hope she’ll probably like hear this and be like wait what like there was actually things that I kind of did to deter
Success in a in a strange way she could learn so she could learn and also I felt like if she just went out and first morning first first day shot a deer I don’t think that she would have it would have meant as much than when she finally
Got a deer and like had worked for it right like there is this like there’s this part where you have to have that failure in hunting to understand how hard it is and why it’s special and why it’s special and so like I think sometimes we’re taking a new hun crout
And they find this immediate success because of your because of my skill set I think it would have done a service to her loving hunting for herself right and and so we started out bird hunting and it was like we would go with grous and she’d take her bow like grouse hunting
And that was her first hunting experience and it was actually a hard year to find grous so I’m like oh cuz she sees me go out it’s like I’m very successful what I’m like I’ve put in the time I whatever so and I would let her make certain decisions and and have
Those like okay and then she would kind of go out on then she didn’t get success so then she really wanted it so she was actually going out by herself to try to get a grous and then she would make some mistakes and like oh I shot at a bird
But I didn’t get it and then on her her first uh deer hunt we were actually in Hawaii and there was a a dough that came out and she was rifle hunting on this particular hunt and it like it kind of offered a shot but it wasn’t the best
Shot so I think she could have made it but I was like okay wait wait we’re waiting for whatever and then it got away and I was very thankful that it got away because it led to a a multiple other encounters and then this encounter
With this buck and then I let her make some of the decisions and then it worked out and it was like that flood of multiple hunts where we maybe not you know not crazy hard stuff yeah but like multiple hunts where you weren’t successful and then having that success
I I think that it just that she became a hunter in that moment not just somebody that had gone hunting right yeah I mean you need that roller coaster you do yeah to to appreciate it to grow to know what it means to be successful without the
Lows and you know that’s another cliche you can’t appreciate the highs but there that’s never more true than in hunting and I know exactly what you’re saying I you know I took this this Ultra Runner out this year and I’m like I was so glad that we didn’t kill in the first unit
Loging you we went to Glass up a buck and have her kill a giant I was super thankful that it we had to do it in pouring rain running down this spine Ridge to get kind of head off this Buck on the Fly t or spotted the buck in the
Bottom of the creek it came up it was like pretty he hectic she made a great shot so thankful that it was that experience as opposed to just the first unit you get to and boom it’s over right you know it’s just it’s I don’t know it’s amazing how much different of an
Impact that can have on you there’s two different scenarios it is and I think that that’s when you’re taking someone out and so that’s one thing that I try to think of because I’ve taken a lot of new Hunters out and for me it’s it’s getting those new Hunters to
Understand hunting yeah like the the whole hunt and the and the aspects of the hunt and be involved in that but when I’m guiding it’s it’s a little bit different like it’s it is part of that but I kind of approach it in in a strangely different
Way you know here’s another Vice I have is like I love taking care of the animal so much that like you know my youngest son I think he could do it on his own because he’s seen me do it a million times but I’m I always want to do it so
It’s like I never even let the new new guy do it you know what I mean or it’s like are have you ever is it hard for you to step back and let I can’t step back I I’m like i’ I’m very efficient at cutting and and whatever it’s hard to
Watch I I just jump in I’m like here just and they’re like can I help and I’m like no it’s just more dangerous and slow I am I am absolutely like the guy that does it yeah but that’s yeah I agree my kids have I feel bad for well
Tanner’s done it done it but uh I feel bad because I’m kind of screwing up their learning process because I just do it yeah I think that’s probably something I need to do is like do it and step back a little bit Yeah because I’m always I mean I’ve done
Thousands of animals and I’m very efficient with it and like do a really good job you know and so it’s like to see someone else do it it’s like man I just can’t I can’t like get out of here or whatever I just like I I either got
To leave or I got to do it I can’t I can’t I’m like a per because to me it’s like the meat is so important and I just I just have to do it myself like if you know if somebody [ __ ] up and hits that bladder and gets on the hind quarters or
On the inside Tinder loins it’s going to make me sick to my stomach yeah I mean I can’t I don’t know uh you’re right though I think that is something that I need to like I need to relinquish a little control it’s tough though it is
Hard it’s so tough uh it’s funny my dad like uh cuz you know I I hunt with my dad and and and then I wasn’t with him and he was with a buddy of mine and he shoots a Blacktail and he goes my buddy he was like hey Josh he’s like I’m not
Sure I even remember how to do this he’s like it’s been so long since I’ve even taken care of my own animals he like honestly Remy does it all the time he’s like I think I’m going to need some help he’s like it’s been like 25 years since
I’ like even touched an animal just funny yeah I I get it and it’s not it’s not like he doesn’t want to do it you just want to do it more than right I’m like step aside I got this yeah I even with packing I just like you know I mean
I want to pack the buck out for whoever kills it and so it’s hard for me to to let that part go I I love the I love all of it I love the hunting but it’s like all the rest of it too and it’s uh I
Don’t know if that makes us unique or if other people are like that but man I couldn’t imagine not being a hunter right I I don’t I don’t even know what that life would be like like what do you do what like like what is a I told Joe
Hunting I don’t know what I would do yeah I told Joe I’m like I don’t know what the [ __ ] people talk about no I I talk about hunting and if I did I don’t know what regular people what do they talk what do they do and talk about
No clue weird I wouldn’t know I’m the wrong person to ask that question yeah I mean I don’t know Tanner we got another one yeah I got another one here this is from our uh our our boy Mike Merill oh yeah Mike do you know Mike he’s like
Famar he is Perrin always in a good mood from Utah kind of a like he’s like muscular always happy oh I I met him at uh yeah Western hunt Expo this year I gu yeah he was there probably pumped Shake he’d shake your hand probably break your
Hand like got prettyy big hands yeah I’m pretty sure I yeah met him stud well he’s curious Remy what is your single most memorable hunt and why also your desired bucket list hunt o that’s a good question yeah my single most memorable hunt I mean that that Mealer I talked
About was probably one of that big buck was a very memorable hunt to me yeah Not only was it a big buck there’s a really cool backstory I don’t know if we have time to go into it but uh we’re not running out of memory
Yeah it was like so I mean I essentially saved the lady’s life which led me to that buck which is pretty wild not your wife not my wife this is someone else you’re just saving lives everywhere yeah i’ I’ve I’ve done it a couple times but uh yeah um I the like the
Backstory to that was like the part to me that’s like you know in hunting sometimes it’s like it’s like almost like it worked out in a way that it was supposed to it’s like there was a reason that just not not necessarily even a reason but like yeah it’s just weird
Like it it worked out in a way that like you couldn’t even fathom if you tried yeah you know um but yeah I mean now it’s like like what’s the story now we got to have so it’s kind of a long it’s actually it’s a very long story but I’ll
Maybe should I do an abbreviated version where you get the gist of it okay I mean but like I might have questions along way but go ahead so it was summer time and I was so when I first started guiding I was in school both spring so I
Would take spring and summer semesters at college and then I would work from August essentially through January guiding guiding yeah so it was like my last summer like summer semesters i’ cram in the school so I was in school but I also at the time I owned my
My own outfitting business my last year of college so uh we were I was the property where I would outfit like it was our base camp um we’re building and it was going to build like we’re going to build like an outdoor bathroom kind of like an ouse kind of
Thing but like an outdoor shower system for the summer time and so uh my my dad and mom were going to go up there and do it but I had all this school work whatever uh and so it was one of these things where I was like I’m not going to go
But then I like like okay I’ll go with you guys to help out so I like get in the car I’m like I can’t go I got this like final thing I got to so I get out they leave I call them back I’m like I’m
Going to go you know like just I’ve never been so indecisive in my life very indecisive I get I I I get in I go up it’s Father’s Day um and we’re we’re building the outdo bathroom and so I’ve got like my hunting boots on I’m just
Like working and the river River we’re right on the river and the river is Flowing it’s like a river that might flow at 300 CFS and it’s flowing at over 3500 CFS it’s just ripping yeah and it’s super cold um it was a real late runoff like a big winter it’s just absolutely
Cold water there had been some people rafting down the river and they uh you know i’ seen maybe a couple boats go by but right where our corner is there’s like a huge rapid and then it’s it’s a tight River so there’s like if some there’s like a down tree up above it’s
Not something that you should be rafting really um or it’s just very difficult so working on the outdoor bathroom I hear someone yell and I think oh maybe somebody caught a big fish which is weird because it’s like ripping water river going so but I’m like for some
Reason I decided to walk to the river I walk to the river I see all this [ __ ] floating down the river like that’s not good somebody turned to their boat over um and then I just all of a sudden this lady comes by floating face up she’s
Like help me and so at this point my mom’s there um I uh I I grab my phone out of my pocket and like throw it Dr like call 911 my mom’s stringing like don’t get in the river and uh the lady’s going toward the rapid I’m like you know yelling to kick
The shore and she can’t move yeah so I just take off running and like she hits the fast current and goes um I take off running I essentially like Sprint to the highway Sprint down the highway and there was a car pulled over that had
Seen the stuff floating I by and she had hit the Rapids came close to the bank and there was a guy there and I yelled for him to grab her like you grab her and he like reached for her but I don’t know if it was like he didn’t get her
And so she hit the fast current again and at this point it was like she’s going to this is it so I jumped in and uh I jumped in and I I grabbed her and she went underwater did you have your boots on I had my boots on I was fully
Clothed and so I jump in and grab her and we’re going down the river and I I she went under and so um I so I I kind of like scoop her up in my arms and uh and try to catch my footing and and get
Her and and pull her out and so she’s like I I get to her and like you know first as a guy you’ve got to have your first AE all your stuff so I’m like okay now it’s like rescue recovery and I checked her pulse she still had a
Pulse it was faint um it was like her eyes were open but no one was home yeah so I was actually like it was weird cuz instinctually I just started like yelling like look at me look at me like like and yeah and like she she finally came
Too and you didn’t have to put breath in or at all I think I did uh I didn’t do breaths but I did compressions okay um and so uh I’m like uh yeah like look at me and like came too and um it’s a sad story as well because she was like where
Where’s Dave and I’m like there’s no other person here oh God and so unfortunately you know a little bit later um her husband had died uh he on the bottom yeah we ended up pulling him out a mile down the river um which is is
Like a it was pretty shitty ter yeah so we we got him out but um he unfortunately pass by the time he came down he was already deceased God uh yeah and so we so anyways um I ended up saving her but uh they the the so I drew I had a
Deer tag in this unit that same year and there was a rumor of a big buck the buck that I killed people had seen but you know rumors like bar rumors said dude nobody yeah there’s a giant Buck over here everybody sees a 400 in bowl or
Whatever so I didn’t I was like thinking about that buck I didn’t want to um you just I you hear those I just hear those stories all the time and it never never pans out so I’m like I’ve got the bow tag archery tag or the tag I’m bow
Hunting I’d actually this particular day like snuck in on a good Buck had embedded there and I was like this just a rumor Buck was in my head yeah and I’m like and I just walk I walked I backed out and left that buck it like a 180
Inch buck and I just backed away from it off of a rumor and then I went to like the guy that’s like you know the guy that hangs out at the bar the most like the guy that’s like rumor guy verify the story I’m like hey dude I hear of a big
Buck is it true he’s like yeah I heard it was in this particular spot so I go to that spot not knowing never have been to that particular spot go to that spot and there’s a lot of private land around m so I was like
Thinking uh I’m like dude I’m not I I’m not comfortable knocking on door I guess not that guy I just tell public stuff cuz I just don’t have to ask permission I just only have to deal with it I just don’t know so I’m like driving and I I
Kind of went to where he thought that he’ heard it was like telephone game like maybe year so there’s a house and I’m like dude I’m just going to go drive down there and see I drive down to the house no one’s home mhm and this is like
Montana like you don’t drive to people’s right like what’s this you know it’s like awkward people come out with a gun right so I’m like driving back out the long drive and as I get to the road a truck comes in MH and I’m like oh great
Like yeah I’m just going to talk to this guy so I talk to him and I’m like hey you know I’ve got a deer tag and he’s like he like looked really he was looking at me very weird and I’m like what is going on mhm he goes are you
Remy and I was like yeah he said you saved my best my best friend’s life whoa that woman was your best friend yeah and uh they he was a friend of the the husband and her yeah and uh like I’m like whoa we just had like this like it
Was I was like whoa okay and I told him you know I’d explain like oh dear and he’s like he’s like I don’t know let me take you to my neighbor and talk to him so he brought me over to his neighbor and I got per he’s like this is this guy
Or whatever he’s like yeah you can hunt whatever you want to do go ahead geez and the next morning is when I got in there and killed that buck was that the 217 yeah that was it that was oh my gosh so I mean just like the chain of events
To lead that like I look at that buck and I remember everything you know what I mean that’s like that means so much to me I actually just had that I just I had a pedestal amount and I actually uh took it to my tax dous buddy and I’m like
Dude take the antlers off and I’m going to get a reproduction made cuz if I was ever a fire or whatever like if I lost every Mount every I want that one this one deer cuz it just it means so much to me like it just I look at it and I just
Think about like it makes me think about life in a weird way like like that deer will never be replicated for me that’s like I mean and it’s just a wild story like you just can’t make that you can’t I could not script that you know nobody has a
Story like of a giant animal that killed cuz normally like if that question it would be like whatever it’s just like oh I had this h I killed this giant whatever it was you know the animal of my dreams but to have that also with that crazy life experience of somebody
In need and helping them and then like the Heartbreak of them losing their spat it’s just like yeah it’s you couldn’t you couldn’t make up a story like that no and it also like in you know those decisions in life where you like I don’t
Know I always and my dad like it’s one of those things where you you have decisions in life and you’re very torn like your head in in a weird way like your head tries to talk your like gut feeling out of doing something where
You’re like no I got all this work to do but you feel like you should go do this is that like when you’re waffling between going with your parents going yeah I mean like I literally said I was going and not going a thousand times
Like my head was like I do not have time to go but for some reason I felt like I needed to go and I and like they literally I got out of like we drove down the road they drove me back home I got like I’m like I don’t know why they
Kept coming back and then they left and then I called them again and they pick me up like it’s just W like there was just like but if you wouldn’t have been there I mean chance she would not have made it she would have died yeah they
Said like even seconds more in the water she would she 100% would have died which you’re like you know there a sad story because you know somebody didn’t make it but in a weird way I just I don’t know it’s one of those things where you just
Like that dear is just like a constant reminder and I try to like in my life like follow those how fragile life is essentially yeah do you ever talk to have you talked to her uh I not I mean I did talk to her afterwards um I’ve talked to uh I
Actually did tell that it was I don’t it came up on another podcast I think it was Joe’s podcast and like other family members from them have reached out um like like just knowing that story and whatever um you know I’ve told the story but I I don’t tell that story very often
You know I think I was saving it for my own podcast probably like it’s it’s just a it’s a story that I don’t know it means so much to me like you know you you think about hunting and it’s like yeah we’re just it’s not it’s not rocket surgery we’re just killing animals
There’s certain but there’s certain things in like for me personally like that that means the that that meant a lot to me you know means a lot to me I mean and also it’s more than just a story you know what I mean I mean it’s
It’s a a life I don’t something I mean it impacted your life you know I mean we tell hunting stories just cuz they’re good stories yeah that’s like something different you know and it’s it’s uh it is it’s a I mean it’s uh you know it’s life and death personified and it’s like
You played a part in that you you know did what you had to do in in a moment of need and then also you killed this crazy animal it’s like uh yeah I mean that’s intense yeah yeah it was pretty wild but yeah that that would and then i’ would
Say like just for a hunt like that didn’t have like that crazy background of meaning to me uh a fog neack elk the first time I hunted it with my brother Jason that was just like a a wild adventure that we got to do the killing
The elk was easy easy but the getting them out was hard yeah like just an absolute grind it was that like long pack very long pack yeah lot like just when you you done you’re like I’ll never do this again I’ve done it like three times since yeah but the Bulls aren are
The bodies big and the small yeah about 1,400 lb or more what so like a moose and you’re shooting them like well where we shot him was miles away from camp with I think 35 or more feet of elevation gain to get back to Camp of gain and descent like massive a massive
Effort didn’t Cory Jacobson have some crazy hunt there too yeah he called me before he his was on um a different Island but oh I talked to him before that hunt I was like look man you’re going to you’re going to kill an elk like I don’t think that that’s the
Problem but dude these things are huge like most people when they moose hunt they’re climbing a a 3 4,000 foot Mountain through like there’s no Trails it’s just Alder and devil’s club and like wet and like massive winds and storms and like the getting the bull was
Super easy the getting them out out was just very very difficult are they are they pretty calm animals are then cuz they got Bear right they oh yeah there’s like brown bears everywhere yeah yeah yeah it’s um yeah but like our experience on that hunt was the the
Getting them out was tough like I think it was we had I have to find my notes on it but I think it was it was a while now it just seemed like yesterday and then you start to like lose the details you know but I
Think it was 40 walking hours with 150 lb packs oh God see that that’s why that rock was easy for yesterday it was only 70 lb on your shoulder yeah yeah it’s like 120 to 150 lb packs were our average um and then yeah 40 walking hours on the GPS so 150
Lbs and 3500 foot of gain each way there and back there so one load would be like weight you know like no no weight going back but you have to go there’s a range in between where we killed the elk and us so we’d have to climb up and over
Back up and over and was and like vertic like just steep thick shitty wow it was it was hard was there water on the side you killed I mean you couldn’t got the boat over there or oh no there was it like there was water but there’s no we
Didn’t have a boat we got dropped off by plane and there they’re coming back to the airri to the lake yeah like a lake and there’s no way you could have I mean it 70 mph winds like there’s there’s no boat that’s coming in to like get you
And we had no I mean like we how we wouldn’t have even been able to yeah communicate with anyone I don’t think that we had as far as I recollect maybe we had like a spot thing but didn’t even know how to use it I’m not sure like I
Don’t think that that was a thing I think it was just like we’ll see you in 15 days or 12 days or whatever when you’re that just reminds me when you’re hunting Bear Country do you take a sidearm uh yeah I do now yeah I’ve done
It without it and it’s pretty dumb now having experience cuz I hate taking I never take guns but I don’t know why I mean yeah in Brown Bear Country though I mean like you just it happens so fast I’ve been charged multiple times and it just
Happens so fast that like you know I had I had be spray in the past and I just don’t trust it like I’ve never been in a situ every time I’ve ever been charged as a situation that bear spray would be ineffective right cuz the wind is ripping CU you probably surprise them
More that way right cuz they can’t here yeah you’re to get up on them so I just carry like a I’ve been carrying a 44 magnum just like the Smith and Weston p is like super light but I think I’ve just got like a 10 mm Sig I think um
Where do you keep it on my hip okay yeah I can’t deal with like the chest rig because they’re they’re saying like you know s has they said they made me something where it goes behind the binoculars I would do that that would work that’d be kind of cool would it
Yeah yeah because you know it’s just yeah I I feel like you just have so much [ __ ] on I I got Allen wrenches and wind Checker and those big binoculars the rangefinder now I’m going to have a gun too if I do that I go like I have what I
Do is I have like a soft I just have like the cheapest like essentially soft um holster and I put it on my belt and then I have a like a whatever you call it other kind of holster on my pack so when I drop my pack I switch it
Okay and do you practice with that like yeah Quick Draw yeah yeah could make it happen yeah I could so the other part of that question was what’s your dream hunt oh yeah dude we went down a rabbit hole uh dream hunt Stone sheep
Oh yeah I want a stone sheep bad but you did it once already right yeah yeah didn’t get one uh Stone sheep it’s the last sheep I need for a slam but it’s not necessarily even the grand slams like since I was a kid that’s just been
The one animal that I’ve always wanted what how come just just love the way they look like the gray yeah the gray and I don’t know I just I like it I like them they’re amazing I’ve never hunted them but again like you is like they’re so striking and beautiful I mean that
Slate gray hide I don’t know there’s something about sheep for sure but those have to be like close I don’t want you know don’t want to disrespect the other species but they got to be the prettiest yeah they’re the prettiest and I think they’re probably
The hardest to get too yeah I don’t know what what’s your dream on like a bucket like I guess this is my podcast you there a question for everyone uh do you have one or is it no I mean I for a while I wanted to kill an African
Lion just because I like I like high Stak stuff I like I like the Bears the brown bears the Grizzlies I like the Kate Buffalo you know water buffalo aren’t quite as aggressive but I like those I like the big stuff so I thought well you
Know an African lion on the ground with a bow that’d be pretty sick so I tried it one time and I just you know had had a lion like a lion that was by itself no Pride that was old enough and then I got 60 some yards from his quartering two so
I didn’t take that shot then it went in the brush and I got somewhere around 50 but didn’t have a clear shot that was my only chance and now I don’t know if I still want to kill one that was 2014 maybe yeah so 10 years ago I thought
That’d be you know a good challenge I haven’t really been thinking about it too much I didn’t kill one but uh I don’t know I just love I like hunting Blacktail here in Oregon I like I like big bulls yeah so that’s cool I mean I
Don’t know I thought about also uh there hasn’t been many Marco Polo or or go killed with a with a bow yeah I thought that’d be a great challenge have you done that uh I haven’t with a bow I’ve thought about it but logistically it’s not that I it would definitely be doable
Yeah but like finding but only a couple people have ever done it right yeah because the their hunt style is not conducive to Bow Hunting yeah that makes it difficult like a friend of mine uh went Pedro Pedro uh he went and spent a lot of time trying and I think it’s just
Like the same problems I ran into is is like if you could just get somebody that like dude I will pay you three times whatever to let me hunt how I want to hunt then you it absolutely is doable yeah but outside of that I think there’s like no understanding your patience for
Bow hunting so it just doesn’t happen yeah no I understand like I’ve talk to guys that have done it and they’re like they’re it’s weird because they like do a lot of they try to like drive them and do some weird stuff and he’s like stalking in on one and they just like
Decided the guys that he were with decided to just shoot toward the sheep with AK-47s to spook them to the guy that was stalking in not great for for sure yeah yeah I don’t know I’ve I’ve seen video of course I haven’t done it yet but like
A bunch of them up on the hill and they’re shooting at a million yards seemed like be tough bow hunting in that those situ I definitely think it’d be doable there’s a lot of sheep uh in some places certain times of year but I just think like a lack of understanding of B
Hunting makes it difficult right I I could get that I’ve been on some hunts here in the US where there’s a lot of lack of standing of B with some guides and Outfitters but yeah I could imagine over there especially because yeah baning really isn’t a thing no yeah it’s
Uh but man those animals are incredible cool they’re awesome yeah they’re really cool um we got another one over there all right so obviously you guys are uh a lot of people’s hunting R models a lot of people look up to you guys and value your advice who were your biggest
Hunting Ro models growing up and and why like what set them apart that Drew you to them it’s a great question who was that by that’s AJ watt 74 again oh okay he got two questions today so AJ he had good questions so yeah you know you ask
Good questions they’re going to get asked yeah all right yeah go ahead you go ahead you go first this is my podcast you have to go all right for need more time no no I know so okay growing up cam Haynes was my role model yeah no serious
Back Country bow hunting book yeah uh that was that like really spoke to me you know what I mean I I’ve read that book cover to cover 900 times like I would bring it out hunting oh yeah that was like I read that book constantly um
The Eastman stuff like that was I was big into magazines but that was huge to me because you think about like I kind of was on the edge of it was it was all white tail stuff M right in the magazines magazines TV like TNN Outdoors
Right and it was like all white tail stuff and I just it just it wasn’t my experience right and then it’s like I remember like being a kid and Eastman’s would do the DVDs that came out yeah and me and my buddies would get that DVD and
It was the highlight of our offs is like we would watch the Eastman’s Journal DVDs like we I would read the mag I would read every magazine whatever kind of like Western articles like cover to cover over and over and that like that
To me was it I mean like I learned a lot through articles and other stuff um you know I think like that that was huge for me uh the whole like glassing stuff like we didn’t glass growing up and then it was like watching Eastman’s videos and
It’s like about glassing it’s like all right we got to get glass dude it it it made me a better Hunter and then I think you know it was always like the like for Backcountry bow hunting that was like you talked about it m nobody else talked
About it and I’m like oh this makes sense like my my mom’s family didn’t hunt but they were into backpacking and my dad big into hunting so we were like like we thought we invented it like what if we just combined the two no but you
Know what I mean like I we knew zero people backpack hunted like it wasn’t a like people are thinking about it now like do you remember growing up and people talking about like backpack hunting no it didn’t I mean it didn’t not exist but you didn’t know like I
Didn’t know people that did it like we had no there was nothing talk no one talked about it no one saw like unless you grew up with somebody that that was their style of hunting yeah which there there were but it was just like so foreign like people just didn’t you
Didn’t know yeah like we had like a Kelty backpack and like just like peanut butter like a jar of peanut butter and that’s your food for the week and let’s go and the Articles the magazines were were going to get to who read the magazine and it’s like the amount of
Backpack hunters or if there were any was a handful compared to white tail Hunters right so they’re going to go with who you know the big crowd 90% of the of hunters are white tail Hunters so Western hun hunting didn’t get get any love they just got nothing and so it’s
Like there was a few books your book was one of them there’s magazine articles and then and that was really it you know and so it was like oh cool this is another thing and then the other thing that I really liked you would do the
There was a part in your book about solo hunting MH and for me it was like I loved to hunt alone but at the time too people didn’t like talk about hunting alone it was just like go in Hunter Safety was like number one go hunting
With a buddy and I’m like this is [ __ ] I want to go hunting when I want to go hunting like I was hunting alone when I was for like I think in Nevada it was like 13 or 14 you could legally hunt alone with parent permission slip and I would just get a
Permission slip from my parents so like just in case I got stopped yeah you so I could walk I could go I just get him to drop me off and I go hunting by myself cuz like I just nobody could hunt as much as I wanted to hunt so that was
That was huge to me and then to see that it was like I don’t know just to hear a voice of like like somebody else doing it it was very inspiring to me yeah I mean did so what like were I talked about fear of being in the mountains alone because I that
When I first started I like the idea of hunting by myself but getting back there by myself like way back and I mean it was kind of intimidating was it intimidating for you or did is that where the book helped yeah I think it valid kind of validate
Like yeah it’s it’s it’s a it’s just yeah I think that there was like that fear of it in a way cuz it’s a different time right we didn’t I didn’t own a cell phone no I never like there was no there was backup plan there is no like you
Just had to have a skill set that you would rely on yourself to get there and get home safe and so I think that there was like building up that skill set was the kind of intimidating portion of it in a way where like do I have what it
Takes yeah right and that was like I don’t know if I could go back to any particular time I would go back to the time pre- cell phones yeah because I there was a certain level of just like get it done this that I kind that you
Just kind of don’t find anymore like right now like if you’re like new into it you’re like yeah I’m going to go Backcountry hunting and it’s like it’s so much easier now yeah it really is like logistically the gear the phon the phones the in reaches the like the amount of
Comfort you have by knowing if something happened you could reach somebody or knowing exactly where you are because of your whatever Gohan or Onyx map or whatever whatever you’re using that we didn’t have that we didn’t have that we had paper maps paper and I didn’t I
Never even carried a compass I was just like a paper map and then walking in figuring it out if you want to know what was on the other side of the rid you walked to the other side of the ridge I remember like being alone sleeping in a
Bivvy sack like and just like that whoa you just like in your head so I just my comfort thing was I’d build a little fire mhm it’s a little fire okay that’s like I’m okay yeah I’m okay I don’t know it’s it’s so different it is it it’s I
Don’t know there there was a time I got stuck in New Zealand when I first started going over there and I buried my vehicle and I had to get it out myself and it took me 4 days jeez and I was like now you just drop it like inre be like hey
Can someone come help me I’m like no dude I like literally carried rocks from the river to here stacking rocks like I think I carried two ton of rock to get like build a road to get my like every time it take six or seven rocks in the
Bog to Jack the vehicle up stack it with rocks back it out a little bit I’m like those were the times right like you people my buddy you know I just tell people like hey I’m leaving I’m coming back in x amount of days you like yeah
You were a day late I was getting I was thinking about going back up there tomorrow see if I could find you no that Ingenuity and just survival just doing okay how am I going to survive you know it reminds me of when Roy killed a ram that a qu a lake area
But he had he told me he had a machete and he had to cut you know that the bottoms are so Brushy devil’s club and all sort sort of stuff but he said he macheted for three days to get up and then he killed a ram but it’s like I
Love those stories about the days of like you said four days to get your truck unstuck he macheted for three days and then killed her that’s was like that’s what I love yeah you know the I don’t know I everybody talks about like the old olden times or like they kind of
Romanticize the past and maybe that’s what we’re doing now too but yeah that just being in there and I had a toppo map and I could just look at it and I’d just like try to find a bench and then look and see where I was and
Like if it was if a storm came in if it was clouding you couldn’t see like features land features you’re like you’re done where the [ __ ] am I no 3D maps no Google I love that part so much well I just missed that like in some ways that exploration yeah like I just
Felt like I was exploring things and it it felt it just felt so wild and maybe I’ve just done it so much now but I I feel like there’s a little bit of that that’s a little bit lost like that Pioneer ISM and and I mean right like Generations
Before us it’s always been changing but I think I was kind of like right on the cusp of those things so I’m really thankful that I got a lot of good time in without the yeah I think it definitely made us better hunters for sure I mean because you have to be good
At just not only just problem solving but woodsmanship you know where are you going to Camp where are you getting wood for a fire where you getting water what are the animals you’re just like all this experience of surviving back there I mean you your slogan is live wild I
Mean that’s what it is yeah it’s like you’re living just like an animal would back there that’s that’s why I was you know in the book I wrote a lot about bivwak hunting I love the freedom of having everything I needed on my back and it didn’t M didn’t matter where I
Went you know know 20 mil from where I am right now or over the ridge or wherever and just being there and surviving yeah that is and like I didn’t know anything about bivwak hunting and it’s was like that spoke to me that changed my life in the way that I hunted
And and so it’s was like yeah that’s why that was the answer you know like it’s probably I don’t know it’s probably weird being like C cross like no but I mean it very impactful and I think it’s important when people you know for like
When I was doing this like this is what I want to do and seeing other people that you know kind of in in their in your own way not necessarily emulating but like just seeing what somebody could do and accomplish yeah yeah I think there’s a path there it might be a
Little bit different but at least got okay this is a thing yeah because you have to know it’s a thing yeah right yeah I mean to for for me it was like you know I guess I loved writing I loved reading articles just like you the
Magazines were like you know I miss the magazine days to be honest to you know the everything on social media I mean it’s okay it’s great we’re able to reach way more people than we ever could but there’s something about I’d go to the supermarket or the bookstore and just
Look at all the magazines read all the magazines buy them do everything but so I I love Dwight SHO he wrote great articles um I’ve watched elk fever which was Larry Jones and Dwight Shu and Steve Jones Larry’s son was on there they you know elk fever one was just you know got
Rented it at mohawk video down here and watched it I don’t even know how many times so those guys and then it was Randy rmer because he was like doing always killing giant things somehow big smile incredible photos but the guy who I member who was chronicling their hunt
Like Roy and I tried to do was this guy Jim Hodson and he was this bow hunter from Central Oregon but he would go like to Kodiak Island he had pictures of Sitka black tail and he had all his pictures in an album all blown up to 8
By 10 and he did a seminar at the B rack Wayne had him down and we were just looking at all those F just so just incredible photos of these adventures and we hadn’t been anywhere besides Oregon and we’re looking at the this guy with these big glossy photos of amazing
Bow hunting adventures and we were just like this is what we want to do like this so Roy and I always were focused on photos from from those days and so seeing just great photos te stories telling of Great Adventures it’s always what would I always say is like you got a story
What’s a story yeah if you don’t have any good stories what the [ __ ] have you been doing with your life I want hear a story it’s it’s tough to beat your story about the giant buck and saving a life I mean that that one’s going to be like
But that’s that’s what we’re talking about you can’t you can’t ever emulate or I mean repeat a story like that but we’re looking for a an adventure where you tell the story and people are like they’re impacted yeah that’s what we do and that’s to me that’s what living wild is I
Mean what’s the story yeah you know I mean I don’t know that’s who inspired me was like those and it was always bow hunting for me I don’t know did you read rifle hunting articles too um yeah I mean I would more for like the tactics
And things you know what I mean um I think like the bow hunting stuff though is what I gravitated towards because there there was a lack of Western there was like a lack of Western stuff then then there was Western stuff but there was a lack of like Western archery stuff
Yeah right so it was always like kind of seemed like a a lack of something that I was really interested in yeah what how we used to or I don’t know but we always it was like a chip on our shoulder you know like Western hunting got no love
Basically and I remember getting in the industry and they would tell us how the the mark broke down was like no we can’t we’re not going to have some Western whatever because hardly hunts out west you know South and the East that’s where the that’s where all the consumers are
So we were always fighting that like for respect you know and then we’d look at those guys and be like [ __ ] sitting in a tree stand let get in the mountains this is this is hunting so we would like we had that chip on our shoulder that
Like we’re we’re real Hunters you know what I mean it’s like I don’t I can appreciate all of it now but when I was a young kid it’s like we felt disrespected almost oh yeah I exactly oh 100% it was like all camouflage was for
Real tree and mossy oak and it was like had nothing to do with anything out west no now now I feel like you know maybe out west has been you know talked about more it’s like no we’re just the white tail guys have been doing it forever
It’s just finally kind of in some ways like tables have turned probably most you know I mean not fully but like it gets a lot more we’re getting more love we’re getting more love I mean it’s more you know I used the word before but it’s more romanticized now because most
People do dream at some point of a western hunt I think either killing a big bull or maybe a big buck or going to Alaska it is the dream for most hunters because it’s that as we talked about it’s that big adventure it’s actually living wild where there’s nothing wrong
With getting in a tree stand and kill waiting on a big buck you know Buck you have on trail camera that’s great that’s not necessarily living wild yeah you know and so the dream is like I want to test myself I want to test myself in the
Mountains against you know the on these Epic Adventures and there’s something that draws men to do that or some certain men but uh yeah we’re getting more love now um I do want to wrap so I’ll wrap this up but I want to talk about just in closing
Um so your role in the industry so we went you explained where it started like we weren’t getting any love at the in Western hunting and and trying to find somebody who identified or you could you know relate to and so now you’re like one of the biggest names in hunting how
Does how is that how does that feel now to be like you’re like the the guy people look to and they follow and you help them you’re the expert you know what I mean how does it feel and like now you’re making de so you you own your
Own company you have employees you’re like you know you’re a business yeah how does that feel it feels it’s kind of weird in some ways because I still like in some ways keep to myself where you don’t really realize like you don’t see it all the time but then you do see it
And you’re like whoa okay like I’m the person like I uh at the Western exp recently I had a younger guy that’s kind of like doing this and he’s like you are the guy that I grew like I’m the guy that he grew up looking at and you’re
Like wo like this is this is cool that you’re like impacting people’s lives in a positive way um you know it feels it’s it’s pretty in some ways you’re like oh it’s a dream come true but also I think that like people don’t see the hard work and intention behind things so when
You’re like doing the hard work and you’re and you’re getting there like you feel fulfilled in a way of like okay I the plan not necessarily the plan but like what I put in is is coming to fruition yeah and I think that that that
Feels good in a lot of ways but also I think like for me it’s just the coolest part is when I talk to people or whatever and they’re like inspired to do something that maybe they wouldn’t have done or they’ve they’ve learned something or they’ve found success
Because of something that I did that that helped them in some way like I’ve always said I feel very fortunate to get get to spend so much time doing what I love like I love hunting I I’m not doing this for any other reason than the fact
That I love hunting and that’s just me personally right like I’ve made a business in other things but it’s because I love hunting and it helps me hunt it like yeah I just I I love hunting I feel very fortunate that I get to spend a lot of time hunting I feel
Like I’ve got to learn a lot and and hunt at a level that I feel like is probably hard to get to because people can’t put in that amount of time right but I also feel like it was very hard for me to kind of get to that level so I
Like sharing that information and knowledge with people of like how to make if you love hunting but maybe you only get a week to hunt a couple weekends here and there how can I make your time more successful more impactful more valuable and so that’s kind of like
Where I put my focus right that’s good I mean because it’s true it’s like if you’re only getting out for a week at a time it’s going you’ll ever accumul accumulate the experience that you have and learn what you have so it’s like I I get what you’re saying because it’s
Really easy to to sit back and say man I wish I could hunt as much as Remy and you’re like this is a lifetime of decisions to get to this point you know I mean it wasn’t just I like to hunt so I’m just going to hunt more you have to
Set up your life yeah to be able to support that that dream and so you have and so now it’s really easy for people to look back and say oh that man that must have been nice to be able to do all that stuff but it’s uh that you you
Mentioned a word intention I mean you have to be intentional about it yeah you know and you your intention was always like I love to do this I’m going to pursue opportunities that allow me to do it more yep and that’s yeah and I was very intentional about it you know I
Think that like there’s certain things that I I intentionally waited later in life of like a family and and that kind of thing like I you know knew like there’s guys that guide and they whatever and you just you I had to be very intentional about a lot of things and
Choosing the things that I was focused on and it’s a lot of time and a lot of hard work and a lot of grinding in a way but I loved it so it didn’t feel like work but it just was something that I I loved and then you know I I gained the
Time and the knowledge and the experience and then through that was able to build something else in a way yeah yeah well I mean you’ve been you’ve kicked ass the whole the whole way through I mean from the outside in I mean you’ve seems like everything you’ve
Done has has been successful and but I get it where it’s you know I mean you’re here now we did the lift run shoot yesterday like years ago I was doing this and people would make fun of me for training for hunting you know what I
Mean and now I got people who are coming to to share the experience so it’s like I get it I’ve been I’ve been all part of that Journey and uh you know we get criticized no matter what we do along the way and it’s like I can handle
Criticism if I’m doing what I love and I am and you are and Y what’s her to complain about nothing Well Remy I mean it I appreciate the kind words you said about the book you know when you were coming up but honestly I mean when I look at at you
And I look at hunting as a culture right now and where we’re at you’re like on the four front of it I get you know I think you deserve all the respect that you get and all the attention you get and it’s like I’m I’m honored to share
Part of your journey with you but mostly I’m from the outside in looking at what you’ve done and accomplished and so proud and I’m just honored that you’re here and and we shared a couple days and you did the podcast and it’s like I don’t know I very much value you well
Thank you I really appreciate that yeah thank you now now we just got to get out and go on another hunt I know we do yeah let’s let’s I don’t know I mean what did where where did you hunt access oh you did yeah so I’m going to
Go there oh nice I think next month oh sweet so yeah maybe we’ll maybe we’ll link up yeah there you go all right well thank you Remy everybody else thanks for the guys with the questions Tanner thank you everybody else keep hammering every step I take I move my truth every time
They tell me stop I use every comment hate that makes my feel GA up my energy and boom I hear them talking saying the way that I move is so reckless that is a part of my mind I’ve been blessed with giving my blood so I am Relentless my
Fault they want someone to blame they sent their hate it fuels my Pace I am Ro tough I am the change the few in dirt feeling like cam hands
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Gotta love Remi!
The man him self couldn't wait till lunch to listen to this
great choice cam
Demi’s the best!
Worst place, Missouri…only residents and like 10 tags given out.
Hey what else can be said about Remi. What a hunter.
The story of him saving that woman is wild. Then that leading him to finding this huge buck. Great podcast.
I stopped at the Bow Rack last week on work trip and had the pleasure to meet Cam Hanes and Remi Warren. Wow, what amazingly great guys! I can't wait to listen to this podcast
Right on, Remi! A fellow Renoite. Great episode. I've watched a lot of Remi's videos and I feel like he talked a lot more about his strategies being interviewed by Cam and Cam obviously shines talking mainly hunting with a hunter of this caliber.
Only a very few of your interviews are even close to this one. This is what makes an interview that I’ll
watch more than once. Remy is the kind! Wolf and his mountain lion story is equal.
Big difference from hunting private land and public land . Remus the man👊🏽
What a great episode. Meeting of the Goats!!!
I love Cam but Remi is my favorite hunter. Solo Hntr was the best of all the hunting shows and I was stoked for every meat eater episode that Remi was on. If I could hunt with anyone in the world, it would be with Remi. Great pod!
Ladies and gentlemen the best of hunting, Remi and Cam!!!
It took me most of the day between meetings and sales calls to listen to this episode. I found myself trying to hurry people off of the phone so I could turn this back on. What a great episode! 👍🙌🙏
Legends. Genuinely loved this episode.
Cam, your interviews with other hunters where you talk about hunting are the fucking best!
Remi is the greatest Goat of all time
Next guy be John dudley on here can't wait
Hanes never answered your inspiration growing up
These are the guest we like, rather than Rodgers🫤
Is Remi still doing his solo hunting show?
Remi and Cam. What more could you ask for? Great job guys.
Cam-what do you consider a difficult hunt? Remi looks at cam like dude what😂. Hahaha cam is a legend and great compound hunter but i feel like remi is a beast in every way. Rifle, muzzleloader,compound and recurve and will be successful in units with hardly any animal's that hes never been to. Thats a freaking extremly difficult task.
Remi and his self filming is the BEST!!!
Definitely one of my favorite episodes yet! Amazing stories and insight. Two of the all time greats
Cam and Remi have worked crazy hard to accomplish everything they have and to obtain the opportunities that they have before them in life.
But to say that they were both disingenuous throughout this pod is putting it mildly.
You start out by talking about not caring about size or inches or measurements. Then why keep talking about giants and big bucks and “217 inches”???
Then you want to throw off on the guys who are doing it now that have all of the tech that’s available, saying you had it way harder because you didn’t have a phone or gps or things like that. Remi claiming he didn’t even take a compass. Ok, fair enough but unless you’re going to go out there dressed in nothing but clothes you’ve made from the skins of animals that you’ve killed using only a stick that you cut and shaped and strung and then an arrow that you carves down with a broad head made from a rock that you dug out of the ground and then shaped with nothing but other rock then why talk about what folks have now compared to what you didn’t? When you started you had unforeseen advantages over 99% of hunters throughout human history to that point.
Then Cam starts complaining about feeling disrespected because western hunting didn’t get any love back when he started versus Easter and southern hunting and how that’s not “real hunting”. Well then why not stop talking about it and come try it dude? Nobody was disrespecting anything because nobody gave that many f**ks about it. It was 100% business because Easter/southern whitetail hunting is 70% plus of the hunting market and the choices that were made were made to make as much money as possible. That’s something you should know a lot about considering you aligned yourself with UA to create and entire new line of product for their brand that had your name all over it as well as doing the same with Hyot, possibly the number two bow brand in the world, third at worst.
And I’ve also heard you speak on before about wondering why your checks were so small, I think it was with UA, when you could clearly see that the company was making a shit ton more than that, which I do not blame you for.
I’m a huge fan and am not going to stop listening to the pod because I think it’s great and I like, as you say, hearing the stories but maybe think about it and be more honest and genuine in some of the stuff you talk about.
Great podcast! Gotta have Troy Pottenger on now!
Elk hunting in Michigan I put in for tag for 20 years nothing yet
Your not a hunter you're basically a lame.