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0:00 Who can beat the Celtics
24:00 Top 15 NBA Players
In todays episode the panel goes over their Top 15 Players in the NBA which starts alot of discussion about who are the best of the best in the NBA. Players such as Nikola Jokic, Luka Doncic, Kawhi Leonard, Stephen Curry, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Jimmy Butler, Joel Embiid, Jayson Tatum, Shai Gilgeous Alexander, Devin Booker, Anthony Davis, Donovan Mitchell, Anthony Edwards, Trae Young, Bam Adebayo, Jalen Brunson, DeAaron Fox, Tyrese Haliburton, & Kyrie Irving are all named but only 15 of these guys will be able to make the list.
Welcome back to another episode of up the score show in today’s episode we going to be ranking the top 15 players in the NBA on the tier list we got a guest we got casual from vanity Sports say what’s up casual what’s good what’s good what’s good and then we got the we
Got the regulars we got Elijah and Larry let’s let’s talk about y’all want to go straight into the top 15 player list or y’all want to talk anything going around in the league uh I want to say this the the Spurs just signed some dude on like a
Two-way contract I don’t remember his name that man looks just like wimy and I I was genuinely confused I was like is wimy on a two-way this whole time I thought I didn’t know ball bro I was so lost that’s all that’s it um Kenneth fton has been waved from F
Sixers I thought he got on a tway no he got waved to dang that sucks I seen um Russell Westbrook and Scotty Barnes they they Westbrook fractured his left hand I don’t know about Scotty Barnes I seen something happen to him too hope they come back
Ready for the playoff a lot of injuries come um after Allstar break a lot of injuries been popping up yep yep yeah because this around the time where the season gets Amplified and like the the pre- playoffs is beginning like teams are looking at the standings like hey
These are games we got to win now and players is tired bro they how many games are we in 55 60 yeah yeah 60 games yeah yeah players’s about to start resting soon man Timberwolves Thunder they they gonna earn they they chance to rest player Celtics Celtics got like a eight game
Advantage they gonna be and like two three weeks Tatum and brown they gonna be able to chill especially porzingis I would be I would be shocked if porzingis need start resting soon they have such a gap that they can start resting yeah and they’ll still more than and make the
First seed do they even want the first seed though of course they want the first seed let’s talk about it let’s talk going against them them trash ass Heat players bro they probably do want to beat y’all in the first round just they want to see y’all they want to see
Y get the get back for sure they probably want to see y first I kind see the biggest question the biggest question Mar is does the Heat this year want to see the Celtics yeah I like the Heat match up against the Celtics more want everybody bro he want to see
Everybody not I know I want to see everyone but the Cavs okay everyone but the Cavs you don’t want to see the Cavs nah Cavs are a bad match for the heat the biggest Cavs is where you draw the line it’s just matchup W it’s not Talent like Evan Moy and Jared
Allen are two star players why why do you want to see the Celtics because I don’t think that they have the same he thinks going to get cooked by bam that’s what he thinks I think bam does really good against players that are overly tall like that like he goes under them with
Finesse and stuff and so having Drew holiday Derek white Jaylen Brown Jason Tatum like that doesn’t make up that Gap whatever bam was do no it does it does for sure that’s why it would be a great series I saw Jimmy Butler drop 97 in two games on
On Drew holiday I’m not too stressed about that I think Tatum is going to be the one that has to take that match up Drew holiday don’t give like Terry Rosier Drew Drew Drew holiday in a boen hoers defense is not the parameter that you should go off of yeah but Joe moua
Is not a better def coordinator than uh Mike buen hoser he’s not letting Drew holiday sit there and get cooked in isos the way that he’s been letting Derek white cook I think you I would be I would be tending to disagree on that I’m scared of Derek white bro I’m scared
Knows how to maximize his Defender about to say what I don’t know Jason Tat’s been having a career year defensively Chris D has been looking like a monster Derek White’s been that guy on defense and now they got Drew holiday too I don’t see how that’s not being maximized
No it’s a scary defense talent wise like those those and Al Horford too a great defender Off the Bench like and offensively the league they’re a defensive team that shoots a lot of threes when they that many threes sometimes they they GNA shoot themselves out of games Joe moula
He predicates that team a lot off that but y’all need to get on their level of three point volume for y keep yeah the only way you’re gonna win is if you guys are shooting a lot of Threes you guys aren’t wining in the midrange [ __ ] no yeah that’s we’ve been
Doing really good from the three point line this season and we got we got deeper than last year we got all right so when we beat the Celtics last year they added Drew and porzingis as their big additions is there anyone else I’m missing they they lost smart Robert
Williams ain’t that big of losses because smart sometimes he would lose them games to be honest with like how he smart had a career year in that postseason I’m talking about like the last two minutes he would do so good in the whole game and within the last two
Minutes for some reason he just wouldn’t give Tatum the ball you know what that’s called bro it’s the same thing that happened back in 2018 it’s called Jack and Jill the same [ __ ] that happened bro go back to that series and go figure out why they shot Seven from 42 from the
Three and they all they had to do was eliminate LeBron and Rodney Hood go back to that serice it’s the same exact [ __ ] that happened bro and it’s the same thing that’s gonna happen to the ntia the Celtics bro believe it you just got to wait for it the crash is gonna happen
Bro everybody just gotta sit here and wait for it the fact that y’all had him down three 0 just tell him just tells me everything that I need to know about the Celtic about the Boston Celtics they are mentally weak they always have been you can’t trust
Entire different team I know D I know Derek white Ain mentally weak I know that I know Drew holiday a mentally weak he got his championship so I don’t know man Jason Tatum If he if you want to question him I’m not questioning him into the finals because he show he can
Perform in a playoff setting n in that Philly in that Philly series he was like he was a no I’m talking about the year before that I’m when they gave him the proper defense and he was clamping [ __ ] up with the performed in the playoffs okay yeah
Mentally weak mentally weak I think is O inconsistent though I think that’s a fair that’s Jaylen Brown is my biggest worry right now because he’s for you to be down three to Joan man mentally weak Joanna man that’s hilarious but Drew holiday how he plays on that
Defense is he’s like the RoR of that defense they got Derek white on the point of attack Jason Tatum usually guards like the best wings and you know porzingis in the paint and then Drew holiday he literally could guard one through four he could even guard some
Fives man like bam is one of the fives that Drew holiday he honestly could guard bro I ain’t gonna lie I’m not gonna lie but I H that’s not even a bad that’s not even further evidence on why that he don’t want to see the Celtic you want to see my
Bucks I ain’t gonna lie want to see your bugs I do I do hold up hold up hold up hold up wait wait wait wait hold on K wait what happens if they do see the Celtics and exactly what happened to y’all last year happens to the Celtics this
Year and that far-fetched scenario then I guess the Celtics were one of the biggest failures of all time they’re one of the greatest failures of all time they’re probably gonna have they’re gonna have to trade Jason Tatum or Jay Brown there’s no team you can build around those guys
Cannot if this te feels in the first round there’s no team you can build around these guys this is the best this is the best possible scenario they could possibly be first round if they go in the first round everything that I said about Jason
Tatum and Jaya Brown is 100% to by the time they win a championship they are going to be the second or third option on the team that they do it on they Los the first round barring injury of course if they lose in the first round sure I don’t give a dam I
Don’t give a damn how they lose in the first round just don’t lose no don’t lose n AC give them no excuses I’m I’m sorry bro you know why bro because they’ve been in the Conference Finals since before Jason Tatum was illegally allowed to drink that’s why bro I’m I’m not
Doing this with the Boston Celtics no more it’s [ __ ] waiting to happen you when it come to the Boston Celtics you just gotta wait for it bro they don’t have the right ones and twos they got two Scotty pippens that’s why they gonna lose we’ll see yeah okay I mean there’s
Been teams that don’t have that number one and number two are mentally weak and Jimmy again teams that don’t have clear number ones have one championships before you’re old enough to know this I don’t know why this is like such a big deal for you and this doesn’t have clear
Cut number ones yes look give give me those teams the Detroit pons both times one that’s that’s both of them both of them that was only four isah Thomas was not good enough to be a number one no he was not the clear number one
He was not the clear number one no he was not that team was 100% built around team effort absolutely was listen first off I was the 2014 Spurs would not have a clear number one 2014 Spurs okay that’s true that’s true you give me that but they had number but they had guys
With number one mentality so that’s that’s that’s more of a that’s more of a different that’s more of okay all right so when we start to get into these like the the intangibles that you can’t prove you just feel it when you’re watching it yeah like it’s happened I understand
If it’s only happened twice this could be the third time like it’s not yeah exact the anomalies the anomalies that people are using sturdy I’m glad you brought up the OA Celtics the anomalies that the players none none of the players on the OA Celtics was I was
Thinking about 08 Celtics but I I’m glad you brought that up sturdy bro like but but none of them players on that team was mentally Weak by the way you why would they not mentally weak all of them did the same thing Jason tatums has done Kevin Kevin Garnett made one Conference
Finals what in his entire career before the Celtics if that how was that not is that not mentally weak Paul Pierce was out there lying PA by the Alan by the Allen Iverson 76ers that apparently to y’all had no offensive players so see see see see see
See see how was that not mentally weak Ray all Ray Allen definitely wasn’t the number one that boy didn’t this is why we got to tell a whole story bro like Garnett on the Minnesota teams bro was an was a was a MVP bro he was clearly the number one
Bro by the way and oh yeah by the way one one of the reasons why they lost against the Lakers in in 2004 one of the reasons why they lost the Lakers in 2004 is because they got injured in that series with the [ __ ] that y’all telling me that I can’t use
Against them bro so I’m not going to okay so y’all saying MVPs mean you’re not mentally weak is Joel and mentally weak is Joel and Jo mentally weak yes and you would say he is there’s no way you’re not I I would say it but okay
Then and you were about to give him two of them so there’s no way you’re about to use the kg MVP to say he’s not mentally weak no that nigga’s mentally weak the same way Joel be is mentally weak and he’s about to have two of them
Hoes so no he’s mentally weak if that by your logic K KD KD KD has an MVP do you think he’s mentally weak do I think he’s me no he didn’t no he’s not’s not mentally weak not mentally weak but he had to leave he had to leave the
Oklahoma City Thunder for him to go to a 73 and N winning team you said KD I thought you say kg my bad KD yeah KD is definitely me okay he has an MVP he has an MVP enough to realize that MVPs do not mean that you’re not mentally weak it
Just means you’re really talented yeah you can be really talented and mentally weak that’s perfect for first and foremost I just do the 2004 MVP out there just as a disclaimer that you know just just to remind people what had happened that year what happened to them
Why they didn’t go to the finals that year against the Lakers was because they got injured s c got that’s what we just said about Jason tat we said barring injury and you said there’s no excuses that’s how this whole conversation started we said barring
Injury we will agree with you if he gets eliminated in the first round and you then said there’s no excuses I don’t care about injury this is going to prove this season Jason not a number one no no no I waved I waved it once we started getting deep into the conversation bro
So so in terms of the first round because that’s what y was talking about bar injury I I waved that I wave that um that wave that yo it’s not no injury excuse so I waved that whole thing but I had to remember that a whole bunch of
Teams like the uh the Minnesota team that you just talked about with Kg on it that when he won MVP that year or whatever and they had the um Sam Cel had got um in that Conference Finals later on that year so so um in terms of the teams
That did it the anomalies that you talk about the 2014 Spurs and the 2004 Pistons it has happened but at the same time we we are I think we understand that this league is much more talented uh than than those uh uh than those years and them teams that that actually
Won that and this team is much more talented than those teams as well exactly you can you you can say that but I no this team is much more talented than those teams that’s fine that’s fine whatever listen whatever help helped you get through it bro all I know is that
When it comes to Jimmy Butler Jason Tatum melts like ice in the sun Mar tell me I’m wrong you no I agree with you but I hey man I’m I’m a Heat fan so maybe that’s why but the past half decade every time I watch the Heat
Celtics bro Jason tat I’m sorry he Jimmy Butler that fear Jimmy Butler can’t win a series by himself Jimmy Butler could average 40 a game and still lose that series if the rest of his team isn’t performing the rest of his team isn’t performing this
Is a team game I agree with you and Jimmy Butler could average 40 but if they only put 40 points on the board they lose I obviously in in the Celtics team if you want you want to be super technical about this [ __ ] no it’s not
Technical this is a team game I same way that same way that the Pistons went against Shaq and Kobe and Shaq and Kobe put up numbers but it didn’t matter because their team couldn’t get come now at the end of the day listen when it comes down to major points in each game
It’s going to come down to their best their best player Jason Tatum versus another best player um and say I guess we gotta say Jimmy Butler because that’s who they’ve been getting eliminated by but but at the same time bro when it comes to him versus him I don’t trust
This Lin [ __ ] I’m sorry go look at how the Heat beat the Celtics last year and tell me that series Was Won by just Jimmy Butler right now no it wasn’t it was not so if you can tell me that the Celtics have now put together a team in
Which they can shut down guys from having those big crazy gay Vince and Caleb Martin kind kind of games in which they have they have two of the best perer defenders in the league on their team they have a solid rim protector on their team Jason Tatum has only improved
On defense this year and jayen Bron just has to be okay at defense which he is to be for this to be one of the best defensive teams in the league so if they are one of the best defensive teams in the league they don’t need Jason taton
To drop 35 a game to win this series they don’t need if Jimmy Butler drops 40 a game and the rest of his team’s dropping 10 it doesn’t matter we all know bam is inconsistent offensively so I hope we’re not relying on him dropping 20 a game the thing is bam is
Inconsistent offensively as a number two option you got to remember we’re talking about how the Celtics he’s also inconsistent as a number one option but we ain’t yeah but that’s not who he is on offense we got to remember that Miami he also got better than we talking about
Adding ter I hope you don’t [ __ ] say ter rir because that is garbage Terry Rosier is a shot trucker but he helps playmaking wise he he helps put bam in positions to win that’s why anybody talk about how the the Miami Heat made that run without Tyler hero that that’s what
I was gonna say they did that off the back of their great depth and role player stepping up the Celtics just got all of the role player depth Stoppers they just they could find that’s what they did this year yeah yeah but On Any Given night if you don’t think Drew
Holid could shut down a Tyler hero then you are heavily underestimating Drew holiday you are heavily underestimating D white listen give it give it given that given that may given that is well that can definitely happen for sure everything that you said could definitely happen what we didn’t see
Coming is Kevin Love playing the way he played last year what we didn’t see coming is uh k what we what we didn’t see coming was Al Horford locking up Joel embiid so if you if you’re saying that that’s fine the Celtics also have great role players now like it’s not
Just a Jason Tatum show that’s what we’re trying to tell you you talking about a Joel andb that couldn’t even stay hey for a four game sweep against my Nets that’s yeah when your nets were playing tag against Joel embiid as he just held
The ball up in in the air and pass it to whoever was open yeah I remember that series yes yeah but yeah but but but but here’s the thing you you you praised Al Horford in Marcus Smart Garden Jo andb who clearly wasn’t 100% coming out of
The series against us and then all I talked about is how the all of a something re insurgence of Duncan Robins the all of a something re reur of Kevin Love and and all of these players that Miami got a whole lot of out out of last
Year leading up to that run to the finals bro y’all never saw it coming and the Boston Celtics won’t see it coming nether that’s how I know they going to screw this I know somehow some way they gonna screw it up you know why because I
Know how the Boston Celtics are bro I just know the franch so Le what will you say what will you say if they actually get it done this year if they actually get it done to win the championship yes not a damn thing nothing let’s move on to the we we going
To need that formal on live on the up toore show pod postals Jason Tatum apology we’re going to need that I’m soring we caping we’re caping for a guy that’s not on that’s not on the bucks he’s not on the NS he on the [ __ ] Celtics we’re sitting over here caping
Because Leaf want to come over here and put some propaganda about how he’s mentally weak like we haven’t seen players that are mentally weak be on talented teams that are just better than everybody else and they go into the postseason and they show why they’re better than everybody else as a
Collective like I I don’t know I don’t know I don’t know we’ll just finish it but Jason Tatum Ain one of those players I’m sorry everyone loves everyone loves the stories and when it happens about all them dogs getting together and winning the championship together no no
Real number one no egos in the way which is what the Celtics have been doing and proving that they are this entire regular season but for some reason now it’s the Jason Tatum show come playoffs which doesn’t make sense because that’s not what it’s been this entire season
There’s a reason why he’s not in the MVP run this year it’s because it’s not been the Jason Tatum show it’s been a wins by committee and they are one of the most winning teams of all time okay fine listen respect it whatever whatever case
I know for a fact given that what we seen in 2022 it’s gonna come down to Jason Tatum having some type of big game which he did not have then and he won’t have this year he had it hold on hold on hold on he had it in
Game he had against the Philadelphia 76s he had it in game 6 what happened in the finals what happened in the 2022 finals what happened in what happened there you you was up two one over Curry and they and they had a game where Curry didn’t
Hit a three and they lost what happened and in that same playf of all time it just and in that same playoff run he showed up in game six and seven against Milwaukee in 2022 I okay I guess so don’t care so then you don’t care about facts so then stop
Speaking about no no no no because I brought up the finals and then you brought up some [ __ ] that you brought up some [ __ ] before that happened I specifically said when the 2022 finals was taking place give me the great give me the good games and the great games
That he had while they was up 2-1 over the Warriors I’m gonna be honest though Leaf uh Wiggins and Draymond they were a great defensive tandem That season I mean they even he don’t care about that he don’t care about that luk Don got down by them bro like and I think lcas
Better than Tatum Tatum and the Celtics are capable of winning the championship this year obviously I think the only three teams in the East that got a chance of beating them is the Heat Nicks and bucks after that if they if they disappoint it’s going to be against the
Heat n BS after that they good the Celtics right now are on Pace to win I believe like 65 plus games I laugh they there like 10 11 teams ever that’s won 65 plus games I believe I’ll laugh if they blow the dopee against Orlando it’s like the Warriors
The Bulls um and the Suns I think did it once it’s like get no apology out of me bro I’m being honest I do think Orlando Celtics series will go to like six games or five to be honest oh the magic low key have they have I won’t say they have their
Number but they have the the regular pieces to to to really give the Celtics the most they they have some pieces to definitely to make sure they struggle Jonathan Isaac when he’s on floor my god when he’s on the floor yeah yeah and and then they they have him in the closing
Lineups at Center so it’s it’s it be it be nasty bro you know what I make a joke about Jonathan Isaac all the time bro he’s a perfect example of nothing good can come from playing defense in his League I’m happy that we brought up um
Before we go to our top 15 players I would like to say that anybody struggling with mental illness mental health we love you we we we been we’ve been hearing some chatting about how mental if you have mental health is go find some help you know we with you you need
Somebody to talk to just listen to up the score show we gonna put a smile on your face and you gonna get through whatever times bro like definitely somebody should have told that to him way long time ago I got I gotta watch our PR man he was dealing with it for his
Entire career bro that’s why they had to that’s why they had to go get R Scot was over there asking for help they talking about some man you playing with Jordan you complaining for exactly me mentally mentally weak ass [ __ ] that’s right bro like call them out you
Know them you see them every day if you manually will just listen to up to score show we gonna put a smile on your face because we starring this top 15 player list and look we we about to get to chat T oh man oh man just one person it’s
Just one person here that’s gonna be chatting it’s I I don’t I’m not a no come on come on I say my opinions on how I feel about basketball and like you going you gonna hear me out a little bit you going hear me out man but let’s
Start this off Larry who you think the best player in India y good I ring last year I think we have to give him his respect deserves it I’m happy we got an uneven number of people here do we all agree with that no but I’m open
To but I’m open to the conversation agree with what agree with what Won Won know don’t agree with it but I do but um Joker Joker is clearly number one um where the Denver Nuggets were last year where the divver Nugget are right now proves it um I think what y’ spoken
To me repeatedly what they look like without him out without him on the court and obviously he’s still doing uh still taking his team to Credible Heights that they have never seen before man sorry yeah I definitely gotta go with them but um I definitely gotta go with Joker but
Um it’s not by much I will say that it’s not by much agree Justin would you like to entertain not winning by number one uh I think still for me number one is Giannis uh I I I I I’m open to the conversation of yid being better more
More and more as I’m watching him because just offensively he just he has no flaws and even this year he’s his shooting spits are down and that’s still better than major like 99% that is crazy that is crazy but like I think very very dist yeah but but like
In the case of like Giannis I think Giannis post game looks more polished this season um he’s always been a above average playmaker but I think defensively he’s gone under the radar because he’s playing on a team with Damen L and there was that adjustment period and then the head coaching
Adjustment period and so it didn’t look that pretty but if you actually watch Giannis Giannis is still as impactful as a defensive player as you will find in the league um and so I still think he’s the best player in the world I just think the circumstances he’s in is more
Unique than um than Jers I don’t think I’ve ever seen anybody that’s like limited or athletically or limited defensive limited defensively bro like be the leader of a team and we’re calling him the the clearcut best playmaker in the league like at at seven feet at the center
Position I think yeah I I think not the best playmaker in the league Luke is a better play is the best playmaker this year Luke is the best playmaker this year yeah yeah what L I’m in to agree with that I’m inclined to agree with that I’m in in L to agree
With that but in terms of the way the half court set runs with Joker in terms of listen the way he can play off off the ball and and off the screen in the inverted uh pick and roll and [ __ ] bro which I haven’t heard nobody even BR
That term up until recently year ago I’ll be honest with you bro like I think Joker has literally figured out like how how to how to execute against any type of Defense I mean not not to say that Luca hasn’t but I mean I definitely man man
Joker is Jo is Joker and Luca one of the same bro to me is that me I would probably say Jo I probably say Luca would would give the ND for Luka over Joker for me is the Run pressure that Luca is applying I just don’t think Joker’s applying that same amount of
Pressure add that to the fact not saying that he’s not applying pressure I’m just saying to Luca’s extent Luka is applying like the pressure he’s applying this year it’s it’s ridiculous the finishing R I’m disagreeing with you on that I think the only person who’s I think
There’s like three people above Luka in terms of his finishing efficiency about at the rim and I think is one of them I believe so yeah I think I think I think isn’t Luka l no no no I’m not talking like like just efficiency as far as fining that the
Room I’m talking about like um like getting to the rim especially the coming from the perimeter because Luca is he’s isolating far more times Joker is I agre is a better driver but I think I think their R pressure com on wait a minute wa a minute isn’t
Driving to the room room pressure isn’t that yes it is it is but the way that the the Nuggets play especially with that like high post screen action they do with Jamal Murray and yic how he gets to the rim after that it’s like it’s like the same effect he’s doing the same
Thing with Jamal maray SP it’s it’s the same is thing he’s just not it he’s finishing with the sameen he’s saying Y yic is getting it off of the off of Post scoring whereas Luca is getting it um on the yes yes I would say that Shaq puts
More Rim pressure than Luca even though Luca drives better sha Shaq is just dominating in the post and it puts pressure on I got I got a question I think what I what what I was about to say was I just I think the separator is with the rim pressure that Luke is
Applying from the perimeter to the rim I think I think he’s using it in like more unique spaces like go and look at that Cleveland game he had where he dropped 40 I think it was like 45 and 13 last week yeah yeah yeah yeah we watching
That yeah yeah he he was he was isoing and they would send the double team while as he’s driving and he was like dotting players in like unique ways that like I just don’t don’t think joic has the like the the the ability to granted because he’s a big now you could make
The argument like you guys were saying with the postor that him applying pressure there allows for Aaron Gordon to sort of get free reain around the rim um also Jamal Murray Michael Porter Jr on the perimeter being able to um being able to get open shots because of the
Rim pressure on more frequency but I I don’t know I’m looking at Luca and it’s just he’s doing it in the post he’s doing it on the perimeter like I think I think you’re Mis I think you’re misrepresenting joic because if you recall it does jokic’s rim pressure doesn’t look unique anymore because
We’ve seen it so much when we first saw joic come out with this kind of Rim pressure it looked different than anything we’ve seen before the way he operated in the high post and in the low post was able to get people open he has made Aaron Gordon look different
Offensively oh the the room that he allows for Jamal Murray to dissect the offense has been outstanding he makes kcp look like one of the best Shooters in the league consistently same with mpj so I think I think they’re just they operate in different spes could you say
Couldn’t you say with the same way that he’s doing that for Aaron Gordon that LCA is not doing that for Derrick lley he is they both they both apply Elite Rim pressure I think the I think the most under but I’m not saying but I didn’t say that he’s not applying Elite
Run pressure I said I I’m taking I I’m taking Lucas because in the manner he’s doing it especially with the frequency like he’s not in a system that Mike Malone has set around yage and he’s doing and he’s still able to both find his shoot find find his shooting spots even though
They’re in sporadic like if you go and look at Jason kids offense like where he has Tim Hardway Jr is not consistent it’s not always consistent but Luca knows exactly where he is on top of that always being able to utilize the pressure that he’s applying on the rim
To create opportunities for Derek Lively like and and and as of late Daniel Gafford like Daniel Gafford is having a Resurgence this year now I don’t know if anybody looked at him in Washington earlier this season wasn’t looking he wasn’t looking as good as he’s looking in a in um I think I
Think I think the problem is that we’re just not gonna see Luka next to a a lob threat that’s just not what I wanted to say I think the um the overall difference I think the ma the major most underrated part about Joker’s game is his screens the like the thing is that
He’s a lot he’s allowing more mismatches bro like for Aaron Gordon as opposed to just lobing him the ball like it’s no coincidence last year why you saw Gabe vinent uh uh getting in getting in uh Babies R Us switches bro like with with Aaron Gordon in the post bro like they
They they run a significant half cour set um with uh Joker over with the Nuggets because a lot of his screens bro is getting a lot of a lot of helping him get a lot of mismatches I personally believe that if Joe that if uh Luca
Works more in inside the uh free throw area and the post area I think the um that that Dallas can make different strides but at the same time him being a guard and Joker being in Center I think they somewhat wning the same but at the
Same because I think if one if Joker was a point guard he’ probably be doing the same luk is doing L is a center I think he probably be doing the same thing that joker is doing that’s the part no no no I’m with you and I I I see your point my
Part I’m not understanding is stdy saying performence over quality like both of them aren’t like the highest quality you can find in the league exactly no no I think that’s why he’s saying that that’s what he’s saying it’s just your preference because you’re like the quality is the same so it’s just
Your preference that’s that’s you rather have a perimeter playmaker than a post playmaker yeah okay I mean but I think the P the post playmaker creating the most mismatches because he’s doing a lot more off the ball that’s yeah I mean I guess the way the way that I took the
Way that I took the message was him saying perfect over quality like like like jokic is a higher quality than um Luca but I’m choosing I’m choosing Luca just because I prefer him so we all do got and that’s not and that’s not the case and that’s not the
Case yeah I think I think it’s I think they just have different y sets in terms of their Rim pressure playmaking yeah and therefore they need different teams so you’re not going to see them doing the same things because they don’t have the same Personnel yeah I I bet next uh
Number two all right Larry who you think number two Jo it’s between ohid is here I forgot about is here I forgot about he’s so so wait wait we going off for as at this moment or we going just the season I’m going at this moment at this moment
But embiid being hurt does hinder him a little bit I won’t lie I got I got put B number two I will put if we’re going at this moment and B can’t be here if we’re going this season then he he has to be here if we go this season and be is
Number one he was averaging 35 as hold on hold at this moment he’s not playing so why would he be unless at all let’s pick’s saying if we’re going off of this season yeah we’re going out for this season and gota be going for this season I’m like I think andb gotta be
Number two we made this is what I don’t like about like this at the moment [ __ ] at the moment I don’t like how a lot of the NBA Community looks at the word at the moment at the moment is the MVP Power Rankings we just agreed that Shay
Luca and be in them boys last week are the best players this season so why would we do another video with breaking them again like we know what we think about those guys this is a in in general like joic is the best player joic is the
Best player in the NBA right now I understand Joel and be was having an MVP season but that don’t mean he the best player I mean he he was at least at this season still exists jannis he was at least top three bro but if you this
Season you want to put JN J he’s been jannis jannis has been Yannis I’m not taking Janis over 35 defense bro no but I’m saying like I’m saying I’m saying I’m saying if a players giving you like you said DP wide defense which I disagree with I do think
It’s a defensive level defense and and he’s also G he’s also giving you a Lim a elite offensive play he granted nowhere near Luca or joic but he’s making it up on on the defensive wait wait wait hold hold I feel like I feel like I feel like
The best in the world tier right there should have yic and Jan don’t look at that just to make it look cool so wait wait so is disrespected because he’s African and be’s also African disrespect listen but C what I was gonna say was this is this has been
Quote unquote a down year and I’m using quote unquote a down year for Giannis 31 11 and six in still H uh playing high level defense with no defense on that team with the way the death defense has been most of the year and I’m look I’m
Like yo Giannis to me has still made a number one and number two case even even with with the uh the team going in a a totally different direction than what they was yes as opposed to last year and and um coming into this year BR like
Defensively I think he is still making a strong case this is one of this is one of the reasons n no no I said quote unquote sturdy that’s why I was just being sarcas said but but um I still it was one of the reasons why I got Joker
At one but I don’t have him at number one by a mile it’s not by much it’s not a mile no notation Yannis this time bro Giannis is still like like like right around like right on like right on the the iceberg of it so like I for me not to put
Giannis number two even with the year that Joel was having to me bro it’s just insane bro like because going off of this season this is embiid embiid has peaked this season this was the greatest Jo embiid we have ever seen and the greatest Jo embiid is better than an
Average Giannis year this at best this is a slightly above average Giannis year but this is nowhere near a Giannis Peak year I think no it’s a sustainable Giannis year that’s what it is it’s a sustainable like so sustainable 3111 and six is above sustainable for damn near
Anybody so so don’t get me wrong like in terms of Joel bro like Peak and towards Yannis sustainable and both sides of the ball I gotta go with Yannis substainable I just got Giannis is going to do this every other every year this is Giannis
Is a 30 10 and like six guy that’s just suain this is sustainable Peak Giannis right now yeah this is sustain he’s in his prime for sure this is who jannis is we’re arguing the top players in the world this isn’t Peak Yannis though I just isn’t we have Peak and be right
Peak and be this year is better than an average than a prime Yannis sustainable Prime Yannis this was just a peak year for MB that’s just what is next year we can put jannis back above him but if we’re going off this season too bro then
Too no not three of us got outed I’m gonna say my reason look and be’s played 30 something games and another thing is what you are what you guys aren’t mentioning is the reason why I have MB lower is when he goes into the playoffs I’m not saying he’s an absolute bum he’s
A great player he’s a that’s what I’m talking about we I thought we were talking about this year that’s why I’m saying I don’t like how y’all look at ranking players I look at it in general I look at your pros and cons as a player in general Marvin this
This thing you asked us this season or at the moment that does not please corre please correct that criteria please corre because you either have to change the criteria so we can rank playoffs or we’re going off this season it’s not is number two started the playoffs hasn’t started
There’s no playoffs this year we’re going off their performances this year or you need to change the criteria I think Mar’s trying to go off the past year just everything that happened in the past year change the criteria then change the criteria I’m going off of
Based on how they’ve been playing at the skill set that they currently are like going off of currently and beid is the either one or two I don’t care he’s one or two I disagree with that and a so it’s playoffs reason then you’re wrong because there’s no playoffs this year he
Was playing like the best player in the world yeah there’s no playoff was playing like the best player in the world yeah I had him as the we agreed last that he was the unanimous MVP so if we agree he was the unanimous MVP that means he was clearly the best player in
The world when won unanimous MVP I thought LeBron was the best player in the world at the same time when that I thought LeBron was the best player in the world and LeBron be right and wion the finals if you want to say overall sure yeah gr up multiple
Seasons That’s what I mean overall that’s how it is then change the criteria that’s what we’re asking you yes overall overall I’m happy that we come to that agreement I apologize for overall Then I then I don’t need to argue for a beid no more I can be done
Arguing for a be I don’t like many ways I don’t like it but I’m gonna have to argue this season if it’s this season I’m gonna have to I don’t like Jason tat I hope the Knicks who their ass respectfully but I have to cap for him
If we’re goinging for Jason Tatum bro like try to believe that he ain’t gonna drop the ball bro like I know he is I hope he does I hope he does so do we all agree number one yic we all agree number one yic overall going in general going yes I
Guess I guess I all right number two I got Yiannis if we’re going overall yes Yiannis that’s fine I got Yiannis all right Yannis is better than ID in general yes who who who you got at three Larry I’ll go I got here this is where like if you’re an
Embiid fan you can start saying embiid and I don’t understand like if you wanna you’re an embiid fan no just subjectively he was the third best he’s the third best player overall all right let me not say F he hates andem beat he has Jimmy Butler over Joel andem beat if you
Recall yeah yeah you sure right you sure playoffs got you yeah yeah yeah no really it’s 8020 if we really being if we being for real it’s 8020 he said 6040 so I’m G respect his words I guess Jo Joel at three shout out Joel bro please have a healthy season
You’re killing me bro D I have Luca as my number three so we got being between it was either him or defense between I’m giving it to all right with me same with me do it all right this is the big man era Bro Look at that yeah four Luka number four
Yeah this fifth spot is where we’re gonna get into some debates yes yes cuz number five holy moly the NBA is talented going in general in general overall it’s it’s kaai Curry for me and I don’t know which one it is I agree I agree what it’s Ka Curry Ka
Curry for me I don’t know which one agree out out out if we’re going in general bro at number five yes number five you said yes in general if we’re not off just this season cuz this no I’m going Chet step yes going wait we going in
General as far as like them at their best or like like like theoule couple Seasons y’all that’s what I’ve been going the past couple Seasons yeah why is why isn’t sh why isn’t Shay better than Kawai Curry past couple Seasons Curry has been insane he’s also been in those
Same MVP talks we we all regarded Curry as the better point guard last year as well and we were also an NBA champion 2022 if we’re going past couple Seasons then yes Curry yeah as far as like last season and this season curry curry was still regarded as the better point guard
Last year can we and then Curry was also phenomenal in the playoffs last year and we have not seen sh in the playoffs yet Curry was better Curry was better than Shay last year Curry was phenomenal playoffs yeah he was phenomenal until he went up against the Lakers yeah but that’s ad
Like ad ta yeah I’m not like I’m not taxing him for ad in the Lakers bro yeah yeah yeah yeah but then this season but this season better Shay is better and it’s by because his team also folded if you recall it’s a comfortable gu this
Year I I agree with you on that he it was about to fold in that Sacramento series if what M hit that shot not because of Curry I’m saying because of but if do you remember that Steph dropped like 60 points in game seven as well right remember
That I remember somebody had 20 something rebounds as well but I mean we don’t yeah Steph is the problem with 20 rebounds yes yes I’m gonna blame Steph for someone getting 20 boards you’re right bro that’s that myad whatever whatever spin it bro listen step over SGA in the last two
Years blam I’m blaming Michael Jordan for dropping 42 you’re right bro I’m not I’m not criteria that they’re basing off of is the the criteria that they’re basing it off of the 2223 season and so far in 2324 season that’s their criteria I think Curry was the better point guard
Last year if you want better this year it’s just whatever whenever the player has been playing at the level they’re playing at right now so nicoa yic has been an MVP for the past five years I feel like his consistency of being at that level of play matters in an argument even though
Shay has been doing this for the past two like it’s I don’t think been two years I I I would you don’t think you don’t think sh you don’t think Shay individually was a top five player last year no no he was not a top five player last no no no he
He was a top 10 he was a top 10 player last year 15 15 15 no matter what even if you’re a hater 15 no matter what he ended the year as a top 10 play that’s fine Curry was I think we can all agree Curry was a top five player last
Year he was fifth top okay okay year has elevated to all defensive level he has elevated his playmaking skills and he’s become a much more efficient shot Creator agreed he’s if the fact that you had him in this conversation didn’t surprise me it you were surprised that Curry was in
This conversation oh no no no no I’m not surprised that Curry is I’m surprised Kaw I am oh Kawai belongs in this conversation Kawai Kaw having done the healthiest seasons of his year of his career he’s still playing giving you that top tier defense he’s still playing
At he’s still giving you that that shot creating that you want from Kawai that 26 points he’s not a playmaker for sure he’s not but I think what he’s providing on the defensive side is better than what Shay’s doing even though I think Shay’s been how big of a gap is it how
Big of a gap it’s not a crazy Gap and I think that with Shay’s giving you on off is is more but I don’t think it’s a crazy Gap as the side effect is the playmaking corre so sh and then I would also put no Shay is a better playmaker offensively I
Don’t think it’s a crazy Gap and then when I add into the factor of what kawhai showed us in the playoffs last year even though he got hurt I would take Kawai over Shay right now in general over the past two seasons I would take kawhai over him right in this
Conversation it wasn’t a lot of games but I’ve seen in zero playoff games I’ve seen him in literally zero I don’t give a damn bro I got I got s and if we’re going if we’re going at the moment I would have probably had Shay better but
In general I would probably if we’re doing an MVP ranking bro I dead would have Shay above Luca four is done four is done got move on yeah season if we go this season Once Again my arguments change because the criteria is different my crer the last
Year I would be fine I would be fine you wanted to put Kawai like the seven to eight range with like the the the tatums ads bronze KDs I would be open to that conversation in there but when it comes to the fifth spot I think the only two
That should be in the conversation is curry or shave because they’ve been a they’ve been like literally the um the definition of consistent when it comes to those two seasons but in in that situation I would probably take shade because shade just Jason Tatum don’t belong in um hell no hell hell
I’m just making sure I think I think this is I think personally me personally I think this is a thre man race I think you can put Kawai from five to seven and you would have a reasonable argument for all three spots if you want to say
Shay’s number five I think that’s yeah yeah number five so Mark who do you have five who you have five I have Ka at five all right who do you have Leaf I got Shay all right me and all three of us got Shay so sh yeah yeah that’s fine
That’s that’s cool I actually I was going to have Curry so kaai wasn’t going to be f for me anyway who actually and actually I have C I have Curry as six so yeah I have Curry right top five all right we’re done with that one on the seven all seven is seven
Seven all this is what right we’re about to get a little nasty are you about to push Kawai even farther back we got to go with conversation we got go with we gotta go with Tatum think Tatum I don’t like listen I don’t like him bro
But come on bro like why you think it’s tum the seven to 10 range bro like in if we count in the last two years bro everybody done blew my head off about what he done did in the playoffs against Philly and and and what he even did and
This these other teams and going back to 2022 and and to 2023 and now in 2020 he had a career year last year and he’s still holding the float with the the the best record this year career year last year he had a career year last year
Didn’t he know Tatum Tatum did have a career year during the regular season last year Dam then the playoffs happen then the playf then the postseason happen post Happ talk about weak minded only played two games in the postseason and his postseason was still looking better than Jason tatums but it’s in two
Games if I can’t in look look to be hey hey if we want to talk about it dbook better than Tatum if we want to talk about it dbook better than Tatum bro I like I I would like to entertain that but I’m not gonna do that
Bro like listen let’s just throw Jason Tatum a bone let’s seven I’m not throwing that [ __ ] nothing he already he got thrown five alltime great NBA players in his team I’m good bro he got he got enough all time plays on his damn all time great plays wow he’s got he’s
About to have two all defensive guards possibly all defensive Center while making all defense himself and and um J and Jay Brown is already is all defensive Center he’s not gonna make it but he’ll be make it but he’s on that level on that level like wait hold on
Wait yes he’s in consideration for all defense yes all right so he’s not gonna make it he won’t make it okay so okay so the so the top senters uh uh defensively obviously Rudy go go wimy ad bam Jared Allen Jared Allen Jared Allen Jared Allen and then you get to
Porzingis that’s coring like right around there yeah yeah you sure hold up I’m pretty sure somebody in front of name name someone else not Brook Lopez I hope you don’t say him not BR Lopez you can still say Brook Lopez if we’re going off this season then I’m
Going it would have been it would have been Joel bro like like come on let’s let’s be that’s fine that’s fine that’s fine all right so so who uh at number eight yeah you sure you at number eight hold up we at number eight you just
Named I don’t think you can name anyone else that’s been a better defensive Center than him defensive Center let’s see uh when it ends that’s where it ends and I give you a little bit of push back hold on hold on for number eight who is Tatum next is is Tatum eight or
Is it wait who who all has kaai s yeah I ka7 who El I okay so ka7 okay y’all [ __ ] sick oh man numberb guess I got Deb I got who whoa if we’re going off the regular season and the postseason last year dbook clear Tatum in the postseason
Had one Ser had one playoff run bro he went yeah I don’t have either play and the Nuggets last season he went crazy got LeBron wait wait wait wait wait all right so I know about last year what was the second we’re going off last year and
This year yeah yeah yeah he had that incredible one he was shooting like 60 50 and then also this year where he’s playing outstanding yeah so those are the two years we going off he’s better than Tatum come on I’m not gonna do it I’m
Not gonna do it listen I love the T BR up here bro but it’s not dis it’s not dis it’s not the Jason bro Jason Tatum on both ends is better than goddamn that’s not true that’s not true I offens on the offensive side of the ball he’s
Not better than the Deb and I don’t even think that defensive side of theall he not he is defensive no no no he clears him he clears him yeah on defense Booker is a better player but Booker clears him on offense that’s the problem I think book has peaked as some
Playmaking bro like he he but I don’t think then that means T as a playmaker he clears him as got break we can all agree Jason Tatum one of his bigger yeah got yep that’s not even something that dve book has to worry about he not only isn’t it’s not only
Not a weakness for him he excels at playmaking especially for his position I Manan I guess if we got to go with one lightskin person guess if you want to talk about if you want to talk about just playing scoring dbook is putting up the same numbers more efficiently so
Stop it stop it stop it St he’s not there why the [ __ ] is why is Tatum there because it was two tatums and two Bookers me mar Leaf said Tatum Mar you switched no I I have LeBron but I mean I have to if I have to
Pick from Tatum and Booker you said Booker first you no I had LeBron no no I said LeBron I said LeBron LeBron why did you have LeBron over both of them that’s what I want to know LeBron’s a better number one option than both of them as it stands right now to
Me the way that he plays chess in some of these basketball games is insane to me he lost him he lost LeBron is better than these guys right now it’s close argument that [ __ ] is playing King me all the way to the N Seed congrat your [ __ ] I’m I’m not over here I’m
Not I’m so proud of you you know what you know what you know what Jason T is doing he’s playing chess all the way to the number one seed with a eight win gap on these [ __ ] what are we doing yeah yeah and he has him and his co-star have
A bunch of three and D players who fit them [ __ ] got Anthony Davis what are we doing yeah for sure I agree I agree for sure I agree I agree that’s that’s what I’m not I’m not even arguing for LeBron that much oh my God from 4 to
13 it’s interchangeable from from 4 to 13 it’s interchangeable bro he got a co-star that’s arguably better than him and you talking about it’s not arguably it’s not arguably because he no to him because he thinks that apparently LeBron is this eighth best player in the league so what what
LeBron he had him behind if he had him behind kawhai he’s got to think that wait so what is so ad is not 10 no no no ‘s GNA be ‘s GNA go go right here he’s going to be he going to go into this eighth spot right no no ninth spot
Bro ninth spot ohna go into this ninth spot ‘s gonna go into this ninth spot no we got we got we got book and Tatum no we gotta have dbook right there because y’all was just arguing for him no but no n but 8 like stop come on elij let’s be real
This [ __ ] out y’all [ __ ] oh my goodness hold hold not moving I got anyways that’s we got so y’all was about to put dbook over Tatum I have Deb over Tatum if I had it my if I had it my way both these [ __ ] would have slid back a
Little bit and they would still been and Deb would have still been over them yes that’s that would have been the correct answer so so so you got so you got so you had e book at eight and you had Tatum at nine right let me go look I
Don’t I think I think they’re around there yeah that means you had 8 at 10 that means LeBron Is Not Top 10 I’m cool I had Tatum I had Tatum at nine yeah I had Tatum at nine on my list he’s not yeah wait hold up wait Cass stop this
[ __ ] well I love LeBron I love LeBron for his like that’s my goal the way he plays chess on the at the night seed is is amazing bro the way the way that he plays basketball I feel like the way he the way way he plays basketball is not
Letting me talk though fam what he does is very impactful and it’s very much needed impactful I mean more it’s not more impactful than the guys that are above him exactly that’s what I was gonna say well all of these guys do was very impactful but having a perimeter Creator on the level
Of LeBron I just prioritize that more than the ad who I feel like is more of a complimentary piece to LeBron that’s just what it is if you if you feel like pound-for-pound ad is better right now that’s cool complimentary did I say it wrong or something it’s complimentary
[ __ ] man leave me alone bro leave me alone bro you know compliment bro yeah either way what it come I feel like ad could drop a 30 point triple double say he’s a number two bro he’s not this man could do there’s nothing this man could do at this I I feel
Like ad is the best player for the Lakers the same way I feel that dbook is the best player for the for the for the Suns bro I feel like KD is still the best player on the Suns but whatever I feel like I feel likeing KD yet is crazy
Bro we’re not going off just this season that’s the problem y Chang the criteria this year only ad better than Brock like a [ __ ] this year only KD like a [ __ ] that’s I’m saying it’s a c it’s it’s not even close no more stop the arguments it’s over last year last
Year people wanted to have their little arguments no it’s over this year it’s it’s cooked okay fine so we got Kawai injured ass Kawai in front of Tatum and Booker bro like and then two lightskin dudes three light skinn dudes in front of LeBron fine I’m cool with that who do
We have at all right so Le who do you have light skin got to do with it trying to say something Le trying to say what you got to say Lee Perkins what you got to say to us go ahead no don’t don’t do that don’t do that don’t don’t
Disrespect don’t disrespect come on don’t don’t do that um yeah uh I got dbook dbook at eight okay yeah I got dbook at it n it’s nine it’s nine I guess LBJ better to get his ass up that top 10 yeah hell no hell no hell
No ad ad is better he’s better Bro Look let them let them have their little let them have their Deb we can put Deb here wait wait wait wait and a go number hey heyer ad about to go number 10 ad about to go number 10 I know I know the Lakers
I know the Lakers defense is like here so and that’s not because of LBJ that like I I don’t know what to tell you LeBron 10 bro stop LeBron’s 10 stop hey hey hey hey it’s ad they was just arguing Devin Booker over Tatum bro like and I had you got
Deon Booker right there and now you got ad how’s Lebron 10 LeBron ain’t about to be [ __ ] le le yeah he about to be either 11 or 12 we F argue him or KD one more time for their careers I feel like Booker Booker’s high and Booker’s not high because I think
He’s from the no because Booker’s just a better player than Kevin Durant now it’s not regular it’s not just playoffs it’s regular season as well Booker is just better I don’t you know what Elijah I don’t know exactly when this happened but suddenly somewhere down the line it just became Blasphemous
For Devin Booker’s game to be praised in high regard with the other players that are providing the same if not slightly less quality as what he’s providing the man is giving you the same amount of production on the offensive side at he that he did at his uh when he first
Started averaging 27 giving you the same efficiency if not better while also upping himself to being one of the best playmaking guards in the league when everybody said that he couldn’t make the proper reads in the playoff last season he came into this season and guess what
He’s making those proper reads look look I’ll say this Booker I’m not gonna Booker’s my top three favorite player in the NBA and I think he is in this range I just feel like KD is better than him but it’s not it’s not because he think KD is like some insane Defender that
He’s just not that’s why you think he’s better tell me this if you if you didn’t think KD was such an impactful Defender would he be better than Booker right now I I no you are right about that I do think K’s an impactful Defender and
That’s why having five of us on the panel going over this together it’s cool and we make our arguments I do think K impact he is an impct but he’s not the the defender you keep saying he is no he’s not and he and me and Elijah are
Here to tell you the defensive Gap that you think is between py and Devin Booker it’s does not exist because the same value that he’s bringing on the off ball end as a RoR Devin Booker has improved himself over the last two seasons to getting it right back on ball he is one
Of the better on ball Defenders this season add that to the fact outside of scoring offensively hate to break it to you guys Devin Booker is better he just provides more I I look it’s not crazy to say it’s not crazy and I remember when going over
Our top 50 players why we still arguing this yeah when we’re going over our top 50 players Elijah remember I was stressing for like two days on who’s better between KD and Booker I was like yo I you were stressing for the wrong reasons I was talking [ __ ] too the whole
Time I was like you still going on about this kti Booker was very hard for me and for the fact y’all can say Booker is cool it’s cool to me it’s cool to me the thing is though Booker I know he’s one of my personal favorites so I try not to
Be biased towards you’re taxing him too hard right now because you like him I’m being honest with you may maybe that it could be it could be but I’m cool hey de hey Deb t 10 man I love to see it bro so if we’re talking about
LeBron hell yeah he’s better than LeBron this this [ __ ] [ __ ] so wa wait wait we got ad we got ad over LeBron and and Kevin Durant yes come can we please put k no can’t please is better than LeBron if you want if you wanted to have Kevin Durant that
Conversation as well he is there it’s like I’m not all like if you personally had Kevin rant better than ad Kevin Durant better than Booker fine I heavily disagree Booker but whatever I’m I’m cool with it bro we can pull got for all I I’m going KD but
Who’s the between right now is AD and who no no don’t worry about who is between we you’re G look you got KD tell me you got yeah say what you got all right Elijah who you got I got I I’ll give I got KD bro I got KD no no if
You have ad it’s a great ad played better than KD in the playoffs last season he did he did if we were going upend you said you said the past two seasons at this moment this season I’m going ad past two seasons I’ll get KD no
Past year past year not two seasons one year I just told you this last year theast two season fin you K so we’re going off General K fine ad right now though way you got you got it ad all right I just said KD the last 365 days I gotta go with ad
All right ad all right thank you that’s what I’m saying casual who you got I have Anthony Davis right here was just hurt last year no even and even when even last year when he came back for that final stretch he show he provided evidence that he was
A top weeks player in the league at that I agree but KD last year was that not was KD not that last year where he was like going insane um from the mid-range for the beginning for the beginning of for the beginning of the year yeah I
Would say he he provided evidence that he was a top five player KD was providing evidence that he was an MVP still like MVP caliber player last year I mean we’re being if we’re being honest with ourselves everybody on our 10 list they giving MVP caliber Seasons it’s
Just like [ __ ] are giving historical Seasons at this point all right who 11 who 11 KD was giving you a historical season last year that’s what I’m trying to say well on Pace with on Pace I could understand ad defensively but defensively ad was like giving you like
I I don’t know if it was historical I don’t think it was think it I won’t go that far I won’t go that far he was putting up crazy numbers though last year it was definitely like wow this is old ad like type [ __ ] yeah this
Was if you want to say that the Lakers team is predicated mainly off of how good of a defense they are and obviously ad is the best defender on that team he maybe the best defender in the world I could I could hear ad over LeBron and
It’s not crazy at all not even a little bit who do we got at number who who 11 ktie Lebron who ktie LeBron who one more one more Katie versus I’m going KD I’m going K KD Braun’s next you can throw braon here yeah Braun is braon is definitely
There n now there there was a clear gap between Braun and everybody else at this point yeah yeah yeah okay now let’s get to the nitty-gritty let’s get to the fun part yeah let’s get to the all right so D who do we got at 13 DCH D DCH I puto but I
Mean it’s before time it’s before time I was just about to say I was about to say Le you g find you fa find out real quick how talented this league is because Anthony Ood is he’s going to slide down I’m going Jimmy I’m going Jimmy right here bro mad bro oh my
God I’m Jimmy we G um sturdy talk your [ __ ] [ __ ] sturdy come on man these boys are casuals they don’t know what they talking about hey hey hey no no NOA Jason Taylor went to the finals in 2022 so he got to be top five above Shay
Above but he was top 10 he’s top 10 that’s what saying top so using win buyers now that’s what we that’s crazy hey salute to you sturdy salute to you salute to salute to winning by we if we doing winning if we doing win if we doing winning bias was Jimmy
The best player outside of that Milwaukee Buck series if we doing winning bias Booker been to the booker been to the final my recently leading KD so there really Ain no argument I’m just I’m just if we do if we doing winning bias let let me get Jamal Murray in there
Actually let’s let’s talk about let get Jamal Murray we don’t wi top top easily go we not doing well too bad we not doing winner buys at number 14 exactly come on come on Jimmy could get 14 though y’all jimy Jimmy could I was about to say I I
Got Jimmy I got Jimmy I got Jimmy Jimmy I might have him higher than most people like come on 14 that’s I got 13 14 there they Ved they all voted us bro I’m not nothing they he’s he’s around here he’s around I got Tyrese above him though yeah I
Got next’s next that’s fine though I over the playoffs I the play the playoffs that’s what I’m saying I’m giving you ants because of the playoffs that’s better than wait a minute hold tell if we do because of the playoff J J is better than no no nope jayen Bron Jaylen
Bron is lying Larry why is why no no Larry no no Larry Larry Larry why is an there why is an there J sorry what Jaylen brunon have a better playoff series though he did he just objectively did I’m not jayen Brunson was a better playoff perform last year
He also a better regular season performer last year whatam Murray did to the Lakers go back back to what to what Jaya Brunson did to the Cavs are you [ __ ] kidding I’m sorry remember back when everybody had caves their Dark Horse look at this super team about to
Be in two three years they got in five in five in the myami P he had the yage he literally had yage on his team was shooting numbers npj was playing defense what do you mean that was not the same I double dare you think Jamal maray
Can do the same thing that Jaylen Brunson did as a number one tell me what my face right now you think as a number one Jay the same thing absolutely absolutely yes yes I do yes yes I do 3 32 and eight bro that was damn near
Kyrie and a lightskinned [ __ ] suit bro what are we talking about what are we talking about jayen Brunson was doing the same same thing as a number one with the all of the defense on him with the perennial choker that is Julius Randle on his team
Jamay ain’t doing that [ __ ] what are we talking about okay F first off he did he did it against the Cav that’s one number two he did he did it against the Cavs that’s that’s are the Cavs not a top defense Cavs were the number one defense
Last year if I’d like to remind you they were a number one def number did it against ad and the Lakers bro like so so the Cavs were a better defense than the Lakers last year do you like Le the Cavs were a better defense last year I mean
They could have fooled me bro the way they play oh my God and also you know who ad was guarding you know who ad was guarding yic you know who was guarding Jamal Murray D’Angelo Russell what are we do what are we doing Brunson who was g Brunson they had
Darus Garland D Mitch was going bar for bar with that [ __ ] what are we talking about yes he was he dropped 40 like the first game he dropped 40 and that was it bro like he was Lo and they won that game because jayen Brunson dropped 35 St
St this suppos to be supposed to be this is supposed to be this is supposed to be Jaylen Brunson uh for that Anthony Elward spot and I’m not even gonna lie to you this is this is ridiculous the fact that Json because Jaylen Brunson not only has shown over the last two
Seasons that he’s able to be a productive point guard one of the most productive point guards offensively in the regular season but then he comes into the postseason and he’s and arguably even more productive hold hold hold I got you you just said that Jamal Murray was
Averaging 30 those were your numbers you use numbers bro hey hey hey hey hey Jaylen Brenton averaged 30 against Jimmy but that does that matter to you yeah 31 does that matter to you no you don’t care you don’t care ping Nares and then we gonna add on then we
Then we add on top of that you come to this season and what was one of the what was one of the flaws that they said that Jaylen Brunson had this season coming into this season playmaking and guess What casual start he’s a better playmaker than he’s one of the best Playmakers in the league right now J Jaylen Brun his Jaylen Bruns in his he he’s Elite he’s Elite elite elite is a little bit of a talk we talking about him no no le not no not Le Justin when we’re talking about him the way he’s been playing without the help that nor would have the way he’s been playmaking and making Dante dant chenzo look amazing the way
He’s been having prea look like a competent basketball player that’s what we call Elite play making no no Elijah what I’m saying what I’m saying I’m not saying he’s not playing great I’m saying the bar for elite has Rosen to a point to where I like no J
Jaylen Brunson is not he’s not tyres halberton level player no he’s not that he’s not that Elite and all time great are two different bars for me that’s yeah Elite and all time great two different bars for me he ain’t even Trey young level playmaking yet Trey young is
All time great Trey young is all time great Trey young is all time great playmaking Trey young is all time great those are different level Playmakers yeah so I see I see your point I see your point is it wait wait wait hold up if we if we doing the last two years
What’s the case for John Mor he falling he’s falling what do you mean he’s jaran over over’s the case for why the [ __ ] is jaran over Brunson Li in my face right now my over the last the last couple years but like I don’t even think
We I don’t think we’re gonna R John to no buddy you’re you’re no you’re chatting you’re tweaking we should have let Jimmy fought a 19 if we’re gonna just chat he’s player no if going to chat because he’s a Nicks player then what dude Elijah I’m over here caping
For Bron with you fam don’t act no you’re not no you’re not am what you you’re you’re trying to push jayen Brunson out the top 20 right now that’s what no I’m not I just think John Mar’s the 16th best player in the NBA it’s not
C don’t yes you do yes it is off the last two seasons yes it is look look johnar I we should even rank him today bro johnar that man played four games this year yeah yeah John Mor y y’ were trying to text Joel embiid off of 30 and
You’re trying to say that Jay that John Mor’s the best off of four no no but we we didn’t even I didn’t even mention even though I thought jaw is better than BR I didn’t even mention his name because I I don’t think we’re going to
Rank him today I just don’t think we should rank right bro all right yo how’s next how’s next how’s next right there wait wait wait wait time out time out halberton over dear Fox yes yes I’m cool with it I’m cool withas y’all [ __ ] love these numbers I
Tell y that much go ahead y’all can take halber go ahead why is it got to be numbers can I just watch two people play basketball and say that guy’s better because if you watching two people play basketball that boy Fox is just not the same finisher he was last year the thing
That made the king so good his Rim pressure is not there anymore we going off the last two years that’s what we do I’m going off the last two years and halberton was a Allstar player last year same as Fox the playoff where was halber Halbert had a worst
Team I ain’t going to lie bro hold on hold on no no no let’s talk about it let’s talk about it for real because halber was also in the playoffs he just got hurt he he only played like 50 games last year he was like a four fifth seed
Last year got hurt and they fell out the playoffs that sound like somebody’s problem bro don’t it it it sound like a real real Side Story coming up happened de dear Fox showed up and showed out bro I’m gon remember that I’m gonna remember that I’m about to
Bean it don’t mean nothing that’s what F we’re going off the last uh two seasons that’s why he’s going be he’s going he’s going to be the late 20s probably what dear FS Rudy goar Rudy Gober oh wow yeah well Rudy goar disrespect what are you talking about you’re disrespecting yourself as if
We’re going off last year he wasn’t even in the 20s like he wasn’t in this conversation so this year is about to put him in this conversation in general Rudy is the unanimous DPI this year shout out to Rudy this is not that by m bro I ain’t
Gonna hold he notation right now but in terms of 17 bro like I think listen I think we selling ourselves short about what Theon Fox um has done not just not just uh in the last excuse me the last two years but um last year just in
General bro like clutch Player of the Year bro like that gota that gotta count for something no no it does it does in the drop no no no no no it his ability his ability bro like just to break defens is down bro like with his speed
Alone bro like to me I I I like I think it’s being undervalued bro like I mean to like to me don’t get me wrong halberton has been incredible but I don’t know man like it’s interchangeable we could go with one or the other but ra I rather take dear Fox that’s just
That’s your Indi Fox is better on defense bro say let’s say say the not it’s a mid off it’s a off it’s a mid off it’s a mid off you’re you’re arguing semantics you’re you’re arguing if you’re arguing if somebody’s giv up 26 or 28
Point de dear Fox is not one of the better point guard defenders in the league not one of the better but he he’s all right he’s all right no and honestly Tyrese this year has had a drop off he’s usually a solid Defender for his position Tyrese just dropped off tyr
Next if you recall Tyrese drafted he was one of the better def point guard defenders in the league when he was drafted I think I think thearon Fox bro like some type of respect he’s got his respect so we put de so we put dearon
Fox behind bam here man I I got bam here I’m not doing number two we not doing number two I mean we’re we’re we’re we’re we’re freaking this is I got Trey here I got cool not bad we got Fox I got Fox I got Fox I got Fox above
I got Fox and Trey above bam that’s all I trying what are we doing fox fox is better than Tey yeah actually yeah yeah n Fox what try I’m sorry like we off the past two seasons last season was a bad try season last season was a bad try season you’re
Right yeah I go Fox I go Fox you’re correct you’re correct you’re correct I’m so sorry correct hold up y’all put me on about how bad Trey was last year I was about to Co on him he was I’m talking about Trey this season he’s had a pretty good season this year
And and fox has had a bad season this year like a down season this year that’s what I was thinking about but then then I remember last year for Trey and I was like oh yeah no Fox is better yeah we got yeah we got to do that over yeah
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This is some good ass content my boy You’ been watching yeah we at out you’ve been watching got some good you may disagree with us but we are making our genuine points and how we really feel so it it’s nice to have different perspectives on basketball for real
Because these boys keep saying ad better than LeBron and like once they they keep saying it I could make an argument that ad’s impact on the Lakers is more than LeBron’s because they are a defensive team and 80s the anchor of that I could understand that and he some narrative
Push I I can understand that most definitely I never seen conversar you think you gonna get any truth man like on on either side why we scrolling down bro all the rest of these dudes pie of trash mind mind mind let’s stop hey hey let’s get into the real
Conversation why wmy not no I’m just kidding Let’s I’m just kidding I’m just kidding I’m just kidding so what come on come on now come on what are we doing what are we doing oh you see you being bootleg bro I thought we I thought we was do with this
No I didn’t I didn’t say the name the rule is that we can’t say the [ __ ] name no more boy you yeah bro s bons is trash bro that boy trash whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa I said s bons bro send bons is trash that’s
It bro his initials is BS bro what what come on all right man you up to me man Simmons going going above Brunson on this list up to me all right so who who do we have after dear Fox after de Fox gotta be Trey I’m
Cool with that I’m cool with these guys above bam but I I do think bam is next bam is next nah I can’t say that bam is next bam is next bam is I can’t I can’t say that no hey bro hey at some point we don’t need to have a
Conversation sometimes [ __ ] just get out voted [Laughter] bam come on you want to hear you want to hear the Miami he fantic argue about bam for 30 minutes I don’t heard for the past year I about to say I don’t know if y’all ready for this fight but Paul
George is up next Paul George is up next not over not over Rudy Paul George is over Rudy Rudy go Paul George next it’s not crazy we just talking about Rudy being top 20 I got sa bonus right here I got sa bonus I said in
The he’s not far he’s not far he’s not far he’s not far yeah yeah bam is literally number 20 like we we are at the start of 20 wa Rudy is top 25 at least no well maybe he’s in that we’ll see no not if we’re going over this year
And last year then no because his last year last year last year I don’t I don’t well no no no no no no no last year was solid because as soon as they got that fraud Carl Anthony towns because he was hurt obviously off the lineup they
Immediately went on a run uh that looked very similar to his uh Utah days defensively and then this year obvious know how fantastic he’s been so I feel like he’s been even better this year though by that definition I’m not even gonna lie to you outside of sabonis
Rudy’s right behind Rudy’s right behind rud’s right behind some we putting over we putting Rudy over I got Kyrie right here Manon I got sa bonus at 21 though I got bonus ionus and Rudy is 22 Rudy is 22 Rudy is 22 I would I would like to hear that I
Would like to hear the argument after the Pod bonus sorry bro all right so Leaf who you got uh at 21 I got sabonis sabonis we we all agre sabonis can’t push your your sabonis propaganda this episode Mar no no no I don’t think I think IO sabonis I think
He would have been like three spots behind this I I would have only had Kyrie above him and I could even hear is not that far ahead of sabonis don’t do I’m not I said that he would have been like three spots both Kyrie and sabonis are offensive players and
Sabonis is giving you more on offense than Kyrie is just like almost objectively I about say at some point we have to take at some point we do have to attack some players but not not being good enough to be a focal point of either an offensive or defensive side
And that’s where I think sabon is can really go bear Trump players like players like kyy has been playing way better basketball than dami’s last two years being The Limited games that ABS no no no but you’re not hear no argument from me but that’s because is Rudy better
Than that’s what I’m thinking bro is Rudy go be better than okay but the offensive Gap is it that much bigger than the defensive Gap think about the offensive gap between wimy and Rudy the problem is is that we going off the last two years wimy just
That’s fair yeah but I would have Kyrie over sabon I the only argument out here Lea Leaf that’s the only argument out here for it yeah yeah I mean but that’s the only argument that’s really valid because that’s what we going off of but I will say this but but listen by by
This time next year I got wmy if wimy continue on what he doing top five defender in the league yeah yeah uh and shout out to you uh fiz thank you for watching it for watching us but don’t look at the tier list too series like we
Literally have the tier list as numbers it just looks cool because you know it just look cool bro don’t don’t think that we think Fox is the whole TI but um I I will say I will say that Rudy is gonna win defensive play of the year he
He might win unanimous he might win unanimous defensive player the year I ain’t gonna lie to you he probably should he probably should Rudy has been playing phenomenal bro like um I I think his ability his effort now on the perimeter out away from the basket is much better um he’s
Been anchoring the hell out of that defense along with u um it don’t hurt to have help like Jaden McDaniels and Anthony Edward giving you giv you effort so I think Rudy playing his best basketball who’s number 22 so who I got Kyrie at 22 I got Kyrie over G beer I’ll
Get out voted that’s fine um I got I’mma take Rudy at 22 I mean I think Kye all right that we got our voted wow Rudy okay with it like I said I can hear that argument but I’m take I’m gon take Rudy anyway man would he be on my
Official top list like that no but for this criteria sure he can be there so so Rudy not top 25 this year to you I’m talking about like in general overall for me he’s not top 25 I value versatility personally in terms of like my players so I
How far away from the top 25 would you say like six spots at most six five spots top 30 he’s like he’s like he’s like low 30s High n high 20s like he’s not that far off yeah I agree with you but but but so you valuing the defense a
Little bit more than than usual to put him in that 30 spot yeah his defense is still extremely impactful I just value versatility more so I I put more versatile players that can give me um good defense over him I mean I I would tell you that like I they feature him
Offensively I mean like because he no I’m not hearing any offensive argument for Rudy that man has like almost no lick of offensive talent in his body if it’s not a la if it’s not a lawar put back dunk he’s practically not doing it I’m about to say I was just
About to say l threat put back on Tex DeAndre Aiden yes you think DeAndre Aiden’s a good offensive player okay whatever uh I think this is the part where we like okay the end of the list though you think Andre dumond’s a good offensive
Okay so what so what who we so we we ending the list here or we going to yeah cuz we were just doing top 15 where where we at 22 we we did get caught up he is not he is not Andre Drummond bad offensively stop it he damn that man has
No post game especially for size he’s like seven what he’s like seven fo two he’s that’s a tall man let’s stop at 25 he stoping at 22 is a weird he he he got I mean listen he’s not as worse as he he’s not as he’s going give you he gonna
Give you like 12 14 points six or eight of them about to be putbacks and he might get a couple where he just got a nice little mismatch he’ll give he’ll give you he’ll give you 15 plus like at best 17 G he’s G 1.6 this year that’s an
Average ass 18 he’s giving you 18 he has never averaged 18 in his career never oh wow not not once yeah yeah oh who do we got next who do we got next though we’re gonna um give me Kyrie yeah I agree okay so Kyrie 23 who’s 24 what about uh
Paul George I’m cool with that that’s fine and 25 25 uh give me um hold on wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute why is s better than Paul Geor in the last two seasons my God they have the same AR bro they’re the same [ __ ] why
Are I PG PG has a lot more to offer like on the basketball court but like in the last two years does he I think I mean p PG has virtually defensively what the playmaking playmaking is that not a hole in their game playmaking ain’t as bad as
Everybody thinks yes the [ __ ] it is no it ain’t the [ __ ] it is his self creation is amazing but when he creates for his teammates he’s just a small forward it’s not what he’s yeah I get you you I get you with saying it’s not the greatest
But and I wouldn’t and I wouldn’t expect white point guard to be a top defender in the league that’s just not what most no but I’m saying but I’m saying Kawai I mean not kawhai uh Kyrie’s uh playmaking ain’t necessarily nothing to write home about it either like what the [ __ ]
Better than is good though come onid how big how significant of a gap is it bro it it’s a it’s a gap think Kyrie is the better Tyrie is a far better scorer and shot Creator he’s he’s a better playmaker that only reason it’s a huge
The only reason it’s a huge gap is because Paul George is almost incapable of creating for his teammates which I almost supposed to be bro like I mean listen like I mean can no no I’m not he yes he can he’s more of a play finisher than a playmaker Paul
George is a play finisher he’s amazing at no he cannot pass Leaf you’re the only one fighting this battle for a reason I won’t fight that but Paul George what I’m saying is Paul George last season if you want to argue Health that’s fine but Kawai I
Mean Kyrie got no better yeah Kyrie’s health is not it’s not nothing to write home about if you want if you want to talk about Kyrie being a much better finisher how about we talk about this Paul George finishing wise actually was impressive last season until he got H
And in this season for whatever finishing that he’s missing the nigg having a career high shooting splits all right I’m tell you also giving like 50 4090 though casual I’m G tell you okay okay okay so on higher volume okay so all I’m saying I’m not
Saying that Paul Jo is the better score don’t don’t get me wrong I’m not saying I’m saying what I’m saying is what I’m saying is if the gap between the two is relatively small but one and then even the playmaking Gap that kawhai I mean that Kyrie was was spread isn’t like
That sizable of a gap it’s a sizable Gap only because Paul George is not good at it Paul George clears him defensively yes that’s fine yeah I agree yeah and so that’s why he’s better but in and play making Gap is larger than you’re making
It out to be Kyrie is a much much better SC than Kyrie scoring and play and so at that point at that point then we’ll get I think we just got to the point where we agree to disagree because I I don’t I don’t yeah I don’t got it’s preference
For sure yeah casual I’ll also mention this while they have the same problems one thing about Kyrie is when he plays he I think he’s more consistent than Paul George oh they have the same issues both of them are inconsistent at times they both get hurt but
I think both of these boys better than goar but it’s whatever so we got goar at 22 Kyrie at 23 Paul Jorge at 24 and this is gonna be the last player we rank on today’s episode um is it gonna be D is it gonna
Be Dame or JB I was thinking d i just just I’m G just name better than both them [ __ ] but name deserve this all right if the Bucks fan is going past I got no I was going to say d better right not better main thing that the main thing
That garbage this year bro it garbage is a little bit of a stretch but the main thing that makes like yeah compared to what we know him to be this has been so much of a Down year comeer year no no oh scoring wasn’t he averaging like 27 like what
Five and five or some [ __ ] are you really relying on Jaylen Brown’s playmaking Li in my face right now no oh you really you really relying on sein’s playmaking no more than J and yes probably more than Jay Brown he’s a better post playmaker than him for surely but um his
Defense absolutely knocks him out the park last year I think Pascal was also giving you around 24 that again Pascal’s defense clears Jaylen Browns and it’s not even [ __ ] close yeah people need people need to come to the realization Jay Brown that’s what I said earlier hey in Celtics conversation earlier I said
Jaylen Brown is just an okay Defender even in that conversation earlier yeah yeah yeah I ain’t gonna lie to you Le people need to start they need to come to the realization some of these players just aren’t as good of a Defender as they once were like kawhai isn’t the
Same Defender he once was even though he’s he’s having a resence this year and years past they would give him this this this this uh cache as if he was still the defender that he was in San Antonio or even Toronto and he just he just wasn’t that same thing with Jaylen Brown
Jaylen Brown is not the defender that he was when he first came into the league he just isn’t he just isn’t he doesn’t have the aspirations to be oh wow well listen if I keep listening to y’all about some of these [ __ ] on defense my [ __ ] I’m my brain gonna be
[ __ ] up what did jayen Brown do for on defense last year even in the playoffs go look at him in the playoffs what did he do for you last year it was Derek white the perimeter show was Derrick White for a reason well Derek white he
Did make all defensive team you know who stopped making all defensive teams Jaylen Brown you know why because he got worse I think he probably had you could argue that he had more scoring duties but I mean that’s fine Pascal was also giving you 24 last year and still being
A top tier Defender at his position a top tier Defender at his position yes at his position at the four all right who’s at the four right now we got the jannis pasc Yannis okay Yannis we got jannis J Jaren Jackson’s fine Jackson we got
Mo we got uh who else we got at the floor um any other names I miss Pascal right there is where he belongs yes n no no no no no wait wait wait wait hold up before you go crazy uh at four probably wouldn’t be shocking if it’s
Pascal yeah if you want to be nasty and say Paulo not not last year no not last year yeah that’s why I said if you want to be nasty Jaden he’s a three Jaden’s a three yeah I guess Draymond is at the four um is more impactful Defender sure Draymond is
At the four yeah yeah that’s it that’s it you know so he’s at bare minimum to you five I mean come on bro that’s a short list compared to what JB come on it’s not it’s not it’s how good it’s just how good he is that’s not true no
No no cuz Jaylen Brown is a three you think J is a three so we’re going off all the defensive threes that are better than Jaylen Brown we’ll be here all day if we go off the amount of comptition at the four other than the elite bro stop
It that’s not true though I just gave you all the listen I gave you Giannis Mo uh Triple J and uh who else who else you said Draymond and those are Elite Defenders at the pasc and Pascal’s one of them because you didn’t even mention the ones that just don’t start because
They’re not that good offensively like Jonathan Isaac he comes off the bench granted because he’s also not healthy I thought he was a three I thought he was no he’s a four he’s a four and he is just he is amazing defensively he just does not provide what Pascal provides
And plus he also didn’t name guys like Aaron Gordon Runs the for who’s worse you didn’t name guys like Jeremy Grant who plays good defense and he’s worse because Pascal’s better than them I mean but Aaron Aaron Gordon and Jeremy Grant was nothing really to write home about defensively defens Place defensively
That’s I think they oh no life a is the life Blood part of those both of those guys I mean I mean but it’s but it’s not their defense is that’s that’s carrying them it’s their offense they provide a lot more offensively here and there that’s hey hey hey Le how
Much do you think Aaron gord’s averaging on offense right now I I yeah what do you think he’s in he he in double digits he gotta be he like 14 points per game type of guy 14 points perame you think a 14 point per game scorer would have been the main defender
Or would have been the a starter in that nuggets lineup and they would have just traded his ass if he was just an okay Defender you think 14 points okay defense would have got him the starting on a championship team but but but his defense is getting valued solely because
They won bro like that’s why bro like no it’s not yes it is him yes it is that’s why they got him if you go go look at the Articles when they traded for him and go look at what people were saying why they traded for him it’s because of his defense that’s
Why they traded for him he was never known for defense until he got there bro go look at why they traded for him was he doing Orlando what was he doing he was a good defender in Orlando he was just forced to put the five he was one
Of the more versatile Defenders that the league had to offer he just was not the guy for Orlando because they needed a franchise [ __ ] player and so they traded him so that they could get so that they could have hopes of going into the draft and getting a franchise player shout out P
Beno and and and he goes to the Nuggets to where his strength can be realized they needed a versatile Defender to play alongside Nicole yic because we know the the the Turn Style that jic is or he he was at that time and [ __ ] Aaron Gordon fit the bill I don’t know why
We’re lying about this yeah yo let’s get some let’s get some Tik toks Aaron Gordon was known for highlight plays and being athletic but nobody so nobody looked at him so you know what we just realiz you know what we just looked at him nobody looked at
Him and saw you know what I just you know what I just realized I just realiz Elijah we can stop we can stop talking about this because leap is a b because the talking points that he’s talking about are something that Bots were saying Bots were saying that Aaron
Gordon couldn’t do something that everybody was saying because that’s what watch whoever you heard whoever you heard say stop acting like you was watching Orlando Magic G that’s what he went there for I don’t I don’t know what to tell you you know what it’s okay casual was
Acting like he act he watched a whole bunch of Orlando Magic games and you know what you know what I but you no I didn’t have didn’t have to you didn’t have to to get the gist of who he was I agree he had been in Orlando for like 10 seasons if you
Watched five 10 games a year of him you watched a 100 games of Aaron Gordon I know I know what kind of player that is after a 100 games yes please listen nobody I don’t think nobody watch the Knicks play Orlando four times a year if
I watch them four times a year for 10 games of Aaron Gordon wasn’t pay Aaron Gord four watch two games watch two games of Aaron Gordon the season you could have gotten the gist on what he offered to the game basketball and that’s at bare minimum we’re talking
Bare minimum obviously watched more than that I’m just like I don’t know what to tell you bro I don’t know tell because even back then I was also watching when the Kings played them because I’m Sacramento I was watching those games as well so that’s more games for Aaron
Gordon a Gordon been in the league since 2014 bro nobody was and in 20 and in 20 and in 2014 you might have had an argument that he was an average Defender but that was because he was figuring out the leag by the time we get to 2016
Onward the D Dunk Contest Dunk Contest Dunk Contest Aaron Gordon was very good defensively I hate to break yes yes Leaf I’ll agree with him on that but Le let’s get a lot of shorts out the way man just Tik Tok time to anybody watching you see
Me on Tik Tok leave a like comment subscribe if you’re still watching the podcast right now we 100 we minutes drop a like commenter I ain’t going to lie to you bro hey but uh Aaron Gordon is just a dunker in 2024 is so I didn’t say he was
Just a dun but I said that who like y’all if name the defender on that team then name them J wasn’t Jonathan playing no no [ __ ] no no [ __ ] when he was there no his like first two seasons he got hurt immediately he just didn’t play
Okay let me let me see this Jonathan Isaac was what if Jonathan play five games like he was not there Jonathan Isaac I ain’t gonna lie Jonathan Isaac he been he been hurt bro like they have like a Jos Jackson or Stanley Johnson or something like that Stanley joh Stanley
Johnson was in Detroit Stan he was with the Pistons he was with the Pistons Jonathan Isaac um uh uh the the season he played the most was in um 2018 2018 2019 how many games did he play he played 75 games average 26 26 Point 27 minutes per
Game he played one season with him then I agree I think Jonathan I think Jonathan isuk was the best defender but that’s is because he provided the same thing that Aaron Gordon provided but he was taller yeah more wingam definitely I mean Jonathan is I agree Aaron Gordon is
Good defensively I like no he’s he’s great bro he’s great but Pascal Pascal is just bro no he’s he’s this also in this conversation for you didn’t say Scotty Barnes name or anything like that because I didn’t want Justin to start yelling at me say Scot jemy this conversation for I
Actually think that actually think jery Grant is a defensive player he was he’s also was on the nuggets for he was on the nuggets before the actually I know what he was on the nuggets for bro and I know the Nuggets had had that can stay with uh the ks and
The and the LeBron’s quote unquote bro like and that’s exactly what happened they just had more offense D Smith is also a really good defensive four didn’t name him if you think that Aaron if you don’t think D SM is a good defensive then you’re just wrong Larry if you
Ever you’re just you’re just hating because he’s on the net y’all suck Dorian Smith I’m G tell you what Dorian Smith he’s he’s a hustle player he’s a scrapper bro he’s a he’s a versatile he’s a versatile Ford that can be able to guard both threes and fours in some
Instances he can guard fives he also provides great um transitional defense like durren finy Smith is way better than the Nets are displaying them it’s just y’all got the wrong coach um go look at what he was doing for the Mavs we got Kevin Ali as a coach don’t
Go look at the Mad defensive drop off after losing Dorian Smith and how bad I’m telling you I’m telling you right now and I I don’t know if I talked to you about this leag if y’all if y’all were to get somebody like let’s say Nate McMillan in there maau Bridges his
Defense goes right back to to the level that he play maybe not defensive play of the Year candidate level but it’s definitely better than what he’s been producing for you guys I’ll tell you what our problem is our problem is is we don’t have a center that can man the
Paint on his own bro like that’s not who you don’t think Nicholas Clon can do that he cannot man the paint by himself he didn’t even name Jason Tatum as a as a defensive for oh yeah but that position is weak but that position is weak but that position is weak and he
Didn’t even name tat yeah no you just don’t you just don’t remember you just don’t you don’t you just don’t let’s get to would you rather yeah Larry you want to do the intro for rather or I got it uh for the real what is it again I put it in the private
Chat forever either don’t remember or you yeah I don’t remember bro like my bad yeah forever com yeah all right all right bet all right Mar would you rather Damian Lillard Edition ready yeah big big screen big screen big screen probably should big screen it oh wait wait Larry speak all right
You ready I don’t even know how to do the big screen for real oh he did did it I did it for myself oh yeah yeah of y’all I guess do me first and then you after I guess yeah yeah I’m trying to see how to do you hold up get this
Started in a second about to get what about to get this 2K started in a second no no no my little cousin just hit me up I’ll figure out how to do that one day today yeah you know that’s where I get on my basketball knowledge 2K
Yeah yeah this one I only play that [ __ ] bro like once a week now bro like I don’t be play like yeah yeah are you ready yeah I got a would you rather for you this the D all right all right Mar would you rather for you Daman lard
Addition are you ready yeah Drew holiday Damen Lillard James Harden Damen Lillard Trey young Trey young Tyrese Maxi Daman Lillard SGA Shay Kyrie Kyrie fox fox halberton halberton jayen Brunson Brunson Jamal Murray oh I I give it to Dame I don’t want to I’ll give it to D
Bro ah man that that was just a that was a legacy pick right there bro I’m not gonna lie to you man all right want to go next who was the last one why was AG SGA in that conversation is what I want to know because because look look Lia
Believe it or not bro I’m starting to realize when I read the comments people don’t know simple [ __ ] bro like like people people don’t know that Luca is better than Daven Lillard bro like it’s crazy to me that’s casual like like that half court shooting man you gave Larry a Jaylen
Green one he’s about to say all them players are better than Jaylen green and you know he is rock is beanie that man hates Jaylen green all right Larry do Elijah I bet are are you doing thing or n full screen [ __ ] I only it would only I’m not a premium
Player bro I don’t deserve full screen I don’t I don’t know how to do it yeah it literally only goes for me bro all right bet all right bet IU it I’m just a part-timer you feel me no it doesn’t work let’s go back to the other [ __ ]
That’s all good I don’t care all right hold on my fault my fault my fault I apologize all right y’all can go all right Eli I would you rather for you Jaylen Williams Edition Chris Middleton Jaylen Williams Tobias Harris jayen Williams Demar Jaylen Williams Mel Bridges Jaylen Williams Wiggins Jaylen [ __ ]
Williams McDaniels Jaylen Williams Michael Porter junor Jaylen williamsan Murray Jaylen Williams Scotty Barnes Scotty Barnes jayen Brown Jaylen Brown okay hey I would I would I would have said Jay I was about to say is jayen brown better than Jay Willi I would have said Jay du
A bit more than you you if if we were being political sure if we’re not being political N I gave him enough hot T I gave I gave him enough hot takes bro I give enough what’s uh casual you’re up next I haven’t seen Jay right all right
Or should I I get I get on my computer because I’m in I’m in I’m in the house now if you could get in your computer real quick yeah yeah yeah yeah do that yeah uh oh yeah I can leave I Le real quick camera
On let’s do it all right Leaf I have a would you rather for you kawhai Leonard Edition you ready yeah let’s do it Kevin Durant wow oh [ __ ] um damn right out the gate I’m going with Kawai LeBron I hate these I guess I’ll take LeBron weak ass but Tatum Kawa
SGA SGA Steph Curry Steph Luca Luca embiid embiid Butler Ka Donan Mitchell Kaa Devin Booker Ka oh man I hate y’all too [Laughter] [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is you doing oh man that’s fny n he started off he started off with Kevin Durant I was just like oh
[ __ ] oh you a [ __ ] for that I’m like oh [ __ ] out alive for that oh man Dam you ready I can do you real quick Larry all right bet all right Larry again all right Larry I got a would you rather for you this is the Jaylen green
Edition I’m going name you a couple players you tell me would you rather them or Jaylen green Tyler hero hero Derek white white fron Wagner fron herb Jones herb Trey Murphy Murphy K Cunningham Kade Scotty Barnes Scotty Jaylen Suggs Suggs jayen Suggs Suggs emanel quickly IQ IQ RJ Barrett
RJ I knew it bro I KN I knew he was I literally picked names so Larry could pick them all above jayen green jayen Sucks man if you can name anything about jayen sucks to be ah you got it bro defense no no defense three-point shooting like I don’t even I don’t even think Larry knows what team jayen sus is on bro that was crazy you don’t even know how Jay Larry does Jaylen SS
Start no wait wait hold that [ __ ] don’t know he do yes he do yes he do he does okay oh my God all casual casual I would you rather for you Anthony Davis Edition you ready right Rudy goar Anthony Davis Joel embiid jelan be yage yic bam ad curry curry SGA SGA
Durant 80 Tatum 80 kaai kaai LeBron ad get that old [ __ ] out of here man oh out here get that old man out of here I ain’t GNA lie bro yo the second the second he put ad in front of uh what was it Tatum oh [ __ ] I already knew I’m
Like this is this is an anti- Tatum stream bro man we literally spent the first like 20 minutes just keeping for Tatum I don’t know real I mean that was because of me but I did that bro like I’m saying I’m saying I’m saying I’m saying we got to
Be realistic the Celtics are talented and Tatum’s talented too but to caliber players we know this there’s like 12 13 top 10 caliber players yeah sometimes [ __ ] Can’t Back it simple as that not not every [ __ ] can get invited to the party me me personally bro like listen Tatum
Top five arguments I understand it hell no I don’t understand it unless you think Don Mitchell was top five when he was winning 64 games and I want exactly or D B was top he won 63 games here’s the reason top he got his 63 or some [ __ ] like that because no no
Because if you ask other people if you ask other people outside of US based on the last two years they’re going to use some type of criteria to put him up there they GNA say yo when got account for something this that people don’t most people we call them
Xenophobic that’s what we call xenophobic xenophobic and also and also Leaf we call them dumb they’re dumb they’re very dumb uh before we end off this episode do y’all boys want to rank say our individual rankings for our top 15 players for like shorts rankings yeah
Yeah I could give I could give you mine I don’t want to do this with this with your own crer TI to babies will be will be fed yeah yeah with your own criteria because because we back on Tik Tok with my own criteria oh yeah however
You want to rank your players rank it right here because this this video is solely gonna be you in it so however you want to rank your players go I’m let I’m let somebody go first so that way I can shoot it down go ahead back we back on
Tik Tok Mar I don’t trust Tik Tok but everything else here I don’t trust I don’t trust I don’t trust to Tik Tok neither but I mean Tik Tok is where you Tik Tok is where the majority of the of the crack babies stay that’s what they
Are I gotta read into Tik Tok I’m scared of Tik token I’m I’m about to be 36 next month bro I got a reason to be scared of Tik Tok bro like I don’t need to be on Tik Tok being like yo man Le you already you
Ain’t even got a platform and they be you be all you be trending on Tik Tok them [ __ ] Know Who You Are the first time I saw you leave was on Tik Tok that is a fact Tik Tok El yes oh damn I don’t even you already you already known in Tik Tok
World [ __ ] don’t worry about it they’ll do it for you now I gota make a page man [ __ ] this [ __ ] this is crazy definitely the world is Crazy Larry just say can you name me your top 15 NBA players all right who’s going first I’ll go first
Too all right Mar name me your fif top 15 NBA players redo that no wait wait is it like off criteria top 15 players right now just say just say your top 15 players the criteria at this point it belong whatever however you view basketball interet yeah however you
Interpret it that’s on you all Mar name your top 15 players in the NBA number one I got Nicole yic number two I got Yannis anmo number three I got Luca donic number four I got kaai Leonard number five I got Steph Curry number six I got LeBron
James number seven I got Kevin Durant number eight I got Jimmy Butler number nine I got joelan beid number 10 is Jason Tatum number 11 is Shay gilis number 12 is Devin Booker number 13 is Anthony Davis number 14 is Donovan Mitchell and number 15 is Anthony Edwards
Y’all May disagree with my L but I’m not I’m not a absolute casual you want to disagree with whatever you [ __ ] you got to beat nin you got to beat nin [ __ ] be nin [ __ ] stop I’m sorry bro I’m gonna stand on how I feel I wonder if you feel I wonder
If you feel the same way about like Duncan uh not Duncan David Robinson really David Robinson I I I don’t know about players number that you just gave what’s the criteria what’s your criteria on that ever since they started playing at the current level they’re at that’s how
I viewed him so Shay gilis ever since he’s been playing at this level he’s been at for the past two years I view him as the 11th best player and the reason I only view him as 11 even though he’s my MVP this year is because nicolea
Yic he’s been playing at his same MVP level for the past last five years he’s proving it in the playoffs and I feel like he’s the best player in the world because of that okay I mean yeah I heavily disagree but I guess I understand if he disagree I’m
About to disagree with y’all [ __ ] too so we all I don’t know why we’re doing this you gotta understand Justin when it come to Justin bro like if you got wrong answers bro he gonna call it out he gonna be like n that right n cuz that [ __ ] be wrong too
Don’t listen to him bro that just as wrong bro that boy I’m I’m never I’m never just out here just like blatantly wrong you never beat them Tobias Harris allegations bro I’m sorry that’s crazy Tobias man Le I wish you could have been here when he was chatting about Tobias
Har oh I’mma look back at some episodes I’m find it was in the Discord it’s in the Discord by the way make sure y’ make sure y’all make sure y typing into the Discord Discord yeah def Li it’s some nasty [ __ ] man from a lot
Of people that get on me about mine bro like like hold up wait a minute you that right like what about that [ __ ] you said yeah who who’s next Who’s Next I’ll go next listen let me do this all right one Joker number two Giannis number
Three I got Luca number four I got a Joel number five I have SGA number six I got Steph number seven I got dbook number eight I got uh Kawai number nine I got uhh uh JT number 10 I got um who is that
Ad number 11 I got Katie number 12 I got uh LeBron number 13 I have uh a spider number 14 I got uh Antman and number 15 I got uh jimy so I just switch it up a little bit that’s all all up a little bit so I could have got
Real but I I’m just I’m G say the intro can you name me your top 15 NBA players all right we can just use that for everyone all right so Elijah just name yours off all right I got number like y’all cuz y’ you don’t got a number making my
Lungs hurt bro it will be edited it be my lungs is crazy number one we all right here we go I got joic Giannis embiid Luca Kawai Shay Curry Tatum Kevin Durant Anthony Davis Devin Booker LeBron James Jimmy Butler D Mitch and Tyrese halberton hey Tyrese love you casual Larry who’s
Next what lar do you want to go you heard that you heard that lack of uproar for my list because it’s a good [ __ ] list yeah you put tyres halberton in that’s why I appreciate it and I don’t know what the hell we would thinking with this one I’m not putting tyres
Halberton in no top 15 I bet you I bet you won’t I bet you won’t I bet I bet your Steve Nash top 10 player back in the day though Steve Nash has a top what pool of players I bet that was top 15 that’s all I’m G say I mean but
If if you go back and look at the pool of players back then all right Larry are you going you going or you want me to go you can go casual you can go okay okay all right uh you a gotta ask the question do you I just go right go
Ahead Giannis joic andb Luca Shay Steph [ __ ] I guess I’ll give it to him this season Kawai ad Jason Tatum Devin Booker Katie LeBron Jimmy Butler Don V Mitchell and tyes hbert that’s cool that’s cool see that’s see see you know what that is bro that’s that’s just supporting supporting
Somebody bro that a’t do the damn thing with that little that 15 spot that’s that’s what that is that’s what that [ __ ] is that’s all that [ __ ] is bro and I knew he was wait who did you have at 15 I’ve learned I’ve learned the dealing with leonism um [Laughter]
It’s leics the numbers ain’t enough yeah it’s it’s best to just not do his math hey hey you know what sturdy the way you talking bro look look you going to join in say your top 15 and we ending off the episode man yeah oh I can’t wait to hear
This he about to be like LeBron James my king number one look STD if you want if you want to argue with we’re gonna have to end but sturdy I’m just gonna let you name it off just just so you could just am I going or
Noad whatever your ass say it’s gonna be bad bro I already know it is all yage ID Luca Shay kaai Curry Tatum KD Lebron ad Booker spider Jimmy and then probably three time Allstar two time all defensive first overall pick 2016 Ben Simmons I was I was I
Was you know what oddly enough outside of the top three because I was just like bro he just gen hates Giannis I was like I was rocking with it and then he Simmons yeah like it wasn’t bad I was like three time Allstar two time all
Oh he said he said he said number one overall PE 2016 I’m no way Larry I’ve been looking for this clip I heard two time aens I you know what Larry Larry you reallyy Larry you really trying us up here bro like this is not good Broar I’ve been looking for this
Clip all week man Lea Leaf list was all full of unknown biases unknown Lea got Leaf got no standards other than hate that’s it bro I know I don’t have no no it shouldn’t be a standard it’s because it’s made up but that’s why BR it’s yeah made up by
You and your logic made it’s made up by all of us it don’t need a logic it’s based on how the hell I feel that’s that’s what it’s based on Larry I’ve been looking for this clip all weekend because I want it to be your intro for
When whenever we get an intro can you do that thing again where you said Ben Simmons is better than Michael Jordan please like I’ve been looking I’ve been looking for it all weekend bro that [ __ ] was too funny bro you say Ben Simmons is better than Michael Jordan [ __ ] all
Time he said that he said he top four all time as well oh my God Larry you cannot go out Outdoors saying this he better be your goat then [ __ ] Larry whatever time Fu you trying to pull off bro it ain’t working [ __ ] [ __ ] can be a goat with a
With a glaring jump shot hole I I don’t know when it comes to all time success being in your Prime as the NBA star I think Simmons was better than Jordan in in their Prime who is Simmons Ben Simmons bro Ben Simmons you think I’m for the rest of this [ __ ] come
On end the episode hey man look wait hold on so Mar you telling me mar you telling me I’mma have to play that clip over and over again this in Trophy y [ __ ] no no way I lost brain cells here at the first time you telling me I got to play that
[ __ ] back 10 plus times I’m sing with casual on this [ __ ] bro like this this [ __ ] is unaccept wait did you find the the the BAM 1v5 clip I I should you need to find the BAM 1v5 clip to put in there you know I remember what episode
It was it was the Tren young episode yes it was the not aan 30’s not a fan of player team but he do think he’s right in all situations so out of he don’t be open he don’t be open to having yeah yeah that that that that’s the main I’m
Not a fan of any player or team ask just ha everybody you you don’t have to you don’t have to be a a fan of player team SI of objective like like what you you what you feel based off like what facts you giving and stuff like that’s
It’s completely subjective like I ain’t gonna lie I’m sick I’m sick of y’all [ __ ] opinions on that no I’m not a fan of no player no team squ like playing a flag bro like the hell that exactly I’m a Nick fan I’m cool with jayen Brea
Being where he is that’s cool I’m a next fan by default if I move then I’ll go be a fan of somebody else that’s crazy well that sounds like that be the end of this episode if y’all can make sure to leave a like comment subscribe
On this episode and also we have a guest Leaf 4788 subscribe to his YouTube and shout out to Justin and Cas Justin also AKA casual he saying the government I’ll work on it I’ll work on it all y’all be saying my government at this point y’all some
Hoes it’ll even be on purpose bro started saying it first because I heard somebody else say it I was just like you know what this is a tight every time we talko every time we talk yeah you’re getting jort that’s all it is all right man thanks for watching yeah definitely man
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