Steve Kim Reveals How Terence Crawford Broke the PBC and More

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In an exclusive interview with iconic boxing reporter Steve Kim. He explains who the best years of boxing are long gone. How the PBC financial troubles are serious.

He spoke about how Terence Crawford help destroy the PBC with his victory over Errol Spence. We also discuss Teofimo Lopez’s financial delusion. Tank Davis, Ryan Garcia, Shakur Stevenson, Turki Alashik, and more.

0:00 – What’s your background in the sport of boxing?
1:41 – Tank, Ryan, Devin, Teofimo, and Shakur defines today’s boxing.
2:20 – We don’t have boxing trilogies anymore.
3:40 – Is Mayweather is to blame for today’s boxing?
4:20 – Ryan, Shakur and Teofimo have announced retirement.
5:10 – Before the money, I have to get to pretty boy.
5:40 – Today’s fighters are Divas.
7:00 – Shakur turned down a 5 fight deal with Top Rank.
7:50 – The business of boxing has changed.
8:00 – Terence Crawford deal with Top Rank.
9:15 – Entertainment value matters in boxing.
10:00 – Leonard Ellerbe and risk management.
10:45 – Every fighter has been protected in some form and fashion.
12:00 – The PBC, Tim Tszyu and Keith Thurman.
13:40 – Here’s why he PBC isn’t gonna let Rolly fight Ryan Garcia for more money.
14:50 – Will Amazon Prime lead to more PPV buys for the PBC?
16:55 – The PBC fighters have a sheep mentality.
19:15 – I don’t hear nobody complaining at the PBC because of the disparagement clause in their contracts.
20:30 – What are Shakur Stevenson’s options?
22:09 – Top Rank’s business model.
22:50 – The strength of the pack is the wolf.
24:15 – What do think about Teofimo Lopez?
26:00 – What do really good elite fighters do?
28:00 – Teo has a disadvantage.
29:00 – Who is Terence Crawford fighting next?
30:50 – What are you hearing about Canelo and the PBC?
31:15 – Rick Glaser was right.
32:45 – Why Floyd won’t put his money up?
34:30 – What are the PBC fighters gonna do?
37:35 – American boxing has neglected the sport for years.
37:55 – Boxing goes where the money is at.
38:30 – The social media civil war with boxing fans online.
39:30 – The celebrity worship culture in boxing.
40:50 – Terence Crawford broke the bank at the PBC.
41:50 – No one slandered Terence Crawford more than so-called pro blacks online.
44:05 – My job is to tell the truth no matter what.
44:35 – It’s just boxing at the end of the day.
45:00 – Fans of promotional companies instead of boxing.
47:40 – The wrap up. Ring IQ and BDA Boxing shoutout.

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All right man I got my main man the legendary Steve Kim in the building um Steve you know we had a lot of conversation as it relate to the sport of boxing I do know that you kind of disgusted with some of the things that

You’ve been seeing as of late we had a discussion in the past where you said that hey you have come to the conclusion that we have seen you have seen your best um best boxing that you’re going to see can you please elaborate on that yeah you know so I started covering this

Game in 1996 really straight ahead had full fulltime about 98 to 99 so I’m at dinner with Doug Fisher and some other people that you’ve met a r magazine Phil traines yes we’re at Phil trainy restaurant this is about a year and a half two years ago me Doug Fisher

A couple managers trainers I think Tom laugher may have been there for that monthly boxing dinner that you went to last year with us okay and we’re kind of lamenting what was going on in the sport and I told Doug I said Doug you know the

Thing is we’ve been around a long time we’re the old heads now that’s just the way it is and I said Doug I was thinking about this I think we’ve already seen the best boxing we’re ever going to see now coach that doesn’t mean I’m not going to or me

And you were never going to see another great boxer or more great fights or or other good eras but I said Doug think about it we came in with Chavez De La Hoya then Pacquiao then Mayweather then Cotto um Roy Jones the klitschkos Golovkin and Canelo he goes now the

Current generation and this is before any of them had ever fought each other now the current generation is kind of symbolized by Tank Devin Ryan shukur and tia Fimo and they don’t fight as much they don’t take on the challenges the business has completely changed and and

When I got into this business um covering it world class Fighters coach were not only fighting better fights more often they were just fighting more period so you got to see them I would include James Tony among those guys that I really enjoyed covering even though I didn’t really catch his super

Middleweight run I still got to see him up close um certainly having the chance to cover Manny Pacquiao uh very intimately the way I did was a great honor um the other thing is coach this is another thing that I’ve written about think about this taking away tro latio against

Estrada and golov and Canelo where’s our next great multi-fight rivalry where’s the next gadd Ward where’s the next Bo Holyfield olly Frasier uh me and Doug we were at every single fight of barrero Morales I was at three of the four fights or two of the four fights of

Israel Vasquez Rafael Marquez I was lucky enough to be at all three fights of Canelo golovin so that’s another facet because the fighters fight so infrequently where the fights don’t get made soon enough and I was talking about this with Tim Bradley over dinner a couple nights ago Spence against

Crawford should have been a multi-fight rivalry instead we get at the very tail end of each physical prime or specifically really for Spence so I’m kind of being realistic and pragmatic about it like coach do you see it getting any better you know that’s a great question because I didn’t I didn’t

Think about that until you mention it like we not getting the trilogies Spence Crawford should have happened 2019 18 19 and then 20 21 or 23 right I mean where are we getting the fights where like say what you want about Mayweather but he had some rematches uh after some decisions that were

Questionable and I’ll be honest with you I this is going to surprise people when people say Mayweather is to blame for how boxing is I completely disagree and I’ll tell you why coach he had 37 fights before he got to De La Hoya so he put in

Real work and to see these younger fighters who have about half the number of fights half the number of achievements complaining and already doing these fake retirements I’m like you know what I’d rather go right back to Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather I take that in a heartbeat coach but see this

This is the problem that I have with it Steve like it seems to me they want to be Money Mayweather but they they they want the money Mayweather but they don’t want to go through the Pretty Boy Floy phase I’ve said that and that’s the thing so when you look at all these

Fighters think about this in the last three years Ryan Garcia Tia Fimo and now Shakur have all announced retirement retirement okay in other words they started pouting and complaining right millionaires though they’re millionaires yeah and they all make a lot of money none of them even have 30

Fights I don’t understand what is the problem here uh Mayweather had some issues with arum I covered some of those issues he had problems with HBO but the man went to work think about this before he got to De La Hoya which launched him into the next phase of his career that

Many of us did not like he was no worse than number two pound-for-pound I think a lot of people had him number one he was a 4 Division champion he was undefeated and he had a roster of really good victories and back then he was really entertaining so when I would hear young

Fighters talk about well before I get to the money part I got to get to the Pretty Boy part I thought it was all just a lot of gibberish you do you mean the other way around before you get to the well yeah before you get to the

Money we got to do the Pretty Boy right and I’ve heard Fighters say that Ryan Garcia said it tiimo said it and none of their actions match those words that’s the reality you I mean that’s crazy because you know the Pretty Boy phase we know what Pretty Boy Floyd did and he

Was a very very talented individual what I don’t like about the today’s boxing and I want to see can you elaborate on this it do seem like a lot of these Fighters are divas and they want to be Money Mayweather but they’re skipping the Pretty Boy Floyd phas yeah here what

Say you about that I think a lot of this is being enabled and a lot of these kids make a lot of money and they don’t understand one thing is they are enabled because the of the potential that they have from a business standpoint but a

Lot of them still are not big draws um tank Davis is interesting you know in a sense that he’s actually kind of earned the right to be a twice a year fighter because bottom line is he’s gone to three or four different major metropolitan cities sold out or sold

Very well and it’s proven he’s a pretty solid consistent pay-per-view draw especially if he has a really good dance partner but what I don’t understand about these young guys is they don’t understand that you’re in a nich sport where America does not take boxing as seriously as let’s say Europe and you

Think at a young age at age 24 to 26 that you could fight so infrequently yet you still want to make not just seven figures because they do make seven figures you start thinking you’re worth eight figures and you’ve shown no ability there’s been actually no metric

That says they’re worth it and now we have a situation and I know this to be true our Shakur Stevenson announced his retirement which is going to probably end by later tonight um be and because he did not want to sign a five fight extension with Tom Frank which

Guaranteed him a minimum it’s not the maximum it’s a minimum of three million fights for five fights after his last one now coming off that last fight coach and I know you’ve talked about it at link I don’t know how much leverage Shakur Stevenson has I believe the top

Rank is thinking you know what if you want to go out there and test the free agent market and you truly believe that we are lowballing you go ahead and find out and so there there is a sense of entitlement that really does exist um with this current grop of Fighters but I

Also think it’s also because of the environment of this boxing business so I’m glad you said something about the business it seems now I could be wrong but in your opinion has the like like you talking about Shakur Stevenson he he turned down the the extension I think

Was five fight uh million minimum though remember keep this in mind about a minimum contract that means they can pay you more people never understood about Terence Crawford’s last deal with Top Rank and this was very misreported and a lot of people with dishonest agendas kept saying that Terence was not making

Good money me and you have talked about it and I know you’ve done shows on it people kept thinking Terence was only making a million or two for those last five six fights with top rank his minimum was 3.5 million out of the last six fights five of them top rank

Actually paid a more call culminating in a $6 million payday against Shawn Porter which was the last fight of his top rank deal so the minimum is just a starting point which means whether you fight Roberto Duran Ray Leonard Steve Kimmer coach Malachi Williams we’re giving you

Three million so and I actually was surprised the top rank was going to resign him or offered him that deal at the same terms and for five fights I look I was there at the delos Santos fight and I said wow this feels

Almost like a loss I he it it was not a great performance people were walking out early but Shakur does have some leverage he draws well in new work he’s an accomplished fighter but he’s got to understand that entertainment value matters to a certain degree and he’s

Going to have to put in some work before he can ever really get a tank Davis or a Ryan Garcia to the table that’s where the big money is for him but for him to just say why retire and quit guess what coach the game will move on with or

Without Shakur Stevenson that is the harsh reality yeah the sport of boxing doesn’t stop this this is the the thing is is this here it seems today that it’s so hard to get these guys like a tank Davis you know it seem like he has a CT like

Following but when I listen to lonard Elby on Twitter one thing I will say I you know I I will give lonard Elby credit he all he says the same thing well you know it’s about putting butts in seeds tank sales tickets and they’re literally saying that we’re not going to

Fight this my interpretation we’re not fighting Shakur Stevenson we’re not going to try to make a fight with Devin Haney any of those guys in outweight division that could be tough because tank is a draw by himself he don’t need those guys B lonard Elby has said this

Time and time again is that type of mentality um keeping us from getting the type of fights that we want look this is about uh risk management you know what’s that old phrase in boxing risk versus reward and the belief is and it’s not only tank they’ve been doing this for

Years with various Fighters if you have a business a guy that’s a real franchise that you know you’re going to sell tickets you’re going to do some pay-per-view business and there’s a following every fighter to a certain degree that’s a big name has been protected or shielded to a certain

Degree it’s not just um tank Davis this is not exclusive to him but what they’re saying is in their own way is like man we can get beat in those fights yeah we’d rather make this amount of money knowing that a pitbull Cru does not bring the type of threat or a Ryan

Garcia um who brings us a lot more money because now it became risk and then the reward but I just really think it’s unfortunate because people have to understand one thing this is allowed to happen as long as the public funds it once the public says no no no we’re not

Buying into it then there becomes a little bit more pressure on promoters to make the fights people want now that now that um Showtime is out of the out of the game I I did see the press conference with Keith Thurman and Tim Zoo I’m not GNA lie to you Steve it

Looked I saw the podium it was scratches on it low budget and and a lot of people made mockery of BK Prime when Crawford went over there had that one fight that one off and I’m like dude like okay well this press conference look very similar Roy Romero the headliner but not only

That Steve what do you think about this fight with Tim Zoo Keith Thurman Ry Romero and Esau Cruz on the headline they going to make this this is a Pay-Per-View fight yeah um let me just say this Tim zoo is one of the most improved Fighters I thought

He should have should have actually been in the fighter of the Year conversation right um three solid opponents got better each time one of the very best 54 Pounders in the world he’s come a long way from that TR go fight I like watching him fight he has very good

Management they have a real plan out there but this is a fact and this is what I’m going to go by I think Keith Thurman’s only won one fight in the last four years that’s true he has not fought in over two years he’s a career welterweight moving up to Junior

Middleweight here’s another thing he’s never taken it well to the body Tim Zoo actually has a very good left hook downstairs this to me looks like a sacrifice and I know some people are trying to Hard Sell Keith Thurman Keith Thurman has not been that guy for a very

Long time and in fact when he was that guy I always thought he was a tad overrated okay but that’s just my opinion and I I know certain people have an agenda to say that Keith Thurman is dangerous and don’t be you know don’t count him out you know what I’ll count

Him out I I think Zoo dominates this fight if I’m wrong I’m wrong the other fight Pitbull against relly I was able to interview Oscar de la Hoy at the press conference that we were at yesterday coach and De La Hoya gave a very interesting answer he said

What is roley thinking uh why is Roy taking less money with no guarantee um on a platform that’s very unproven to me this looks like a JV matchup and it’s all about platform protection that the PBC Al Heyman simply was not going to allow roley Romero go

To the other side of the street to take a much bigger fight in terms of profile against Ryan Garcia even at the own depth detent of his client who’s probably going to make less money right because they they want to keep it inhouse and I’ll be honest with you if

This was a card that was a double header on Showtime I think it’d do a really good number but on pay-per-view at that price tag I think you are asking you are asking to really fail here so what is what what what would be the purpose

Steve of putting a fight like this on pay-per-view like Keith Thurman I call Keith Once Upon a Time Thurman like dude you have haven’t been that guy like you said in years you know you you know there it seemed like there’s a new fan base now since he was last hot and how

Do you sell this that roelly is saying that hey you know I’m on a platform that’s doing two where they has 200 million subscribers and I’m gonna help blow them up there there’s a there’s a they’re saying that hey because we on Amazon Prime and they have a lot of

Subscribers that’s going to translate to into us doing astronomical numbers on pay-per-view what say you about that well that remains to be seen but I will say this the Amazon Prime NFL games on Thursday night I don’t see them talking about 50 million people watching and that’s the National Football League

That’s kind of a big deal NFL is kind of big right bigger than boxing absolutely um in terms of like I here’s what I found interesting coach I was under the impression along with a lot of other people and I was just speculating I don’t I don’t have any sources there I

Don’t talk to those people but I would have thought that to kick off this Venture you had to do two things you either had to do the Spence Crawford rematch even though I think the value of that rematch was really diminished because of the dominance of Terence

Crawford back in July and then seems like Spence is not ready to fight physically fine then the other thing is I think you had to lead off with tank Davis if there is a success story with the PBC in terms of successfully building homegrown star it is him I find

It very strange that we are not hearing anything about tank Davis until recently that he might suddenly even though certain Junior Walter trats are too big fighting Conor Bennett 47 I don’t know how that works out logically but I thought in my view that you had to start

Off with a entity that everybody knew as good as Tim zoo is and as improved as he is as a fighter do you think the American public really knows who Tim zoo is no no they don’t really know who Tim zoo is and um and again Tim zoo I think

This fight if you’re going to do it maybe do it in Australia big over there but no one really knows him over here as Rel to tank you know I’m hearing all types of things you have this uh turkey alesik is saying they want to make that fight happen um we

Twitter back and forth if if if the PBC Alon is an advisor how does someone like the pivot over the roer Romero he said he turned down the the Ryan Garcia fight because he he got he received a better deal a way better deal with the PBC with

No guarantee and stuff like that that so if alimon is your advisor it seems like that he has some kind of grip do these Fighters can they make their own decisions and be like no I don’t want to do that I’m G to go over can but it’s

Hard to break away from the cult look I took some heat for him it but I stand by step Folton made it very clear Al I’m taking this fight in Japan it’s by far the biggest money I’m ever gonna make and he went to Japan Daniel Jacobs made

A similar move years ago and he benefited from it greatly fights against Golovkin and certainly the fight against Canelo but I think a lot of Fighters uh they have a sheep mentality and they don’t understand that they are actually the boss you get a very finite amount of time for your

Physical prime to make money to maximize your Revenue um and I wonder how many fights right like think about this coach we were there together watching it last year when you visited La you know Caleb plan is now coming to a year since he fought yes yeah I didn’t even think

About that fight again and has he asked has he actually raised his hand say ow or if he can even reach him when am I going I got to make a living here see time waits for no man um if youve ever seen The Hourglass when you’re turn it

Over hand goes to the bottom you can’t stop it that’s that’s that’s within our life um time is very finite and that’s the career like you could say I’m saving wear and tearing my body right but at age 26 to about 29 or even early 30s that youth cannot be

Replaced okay uh you have to polish up you have to sharpen that blade consistently and be out there and there the other thing if I’m only fighting once every year I’m never going to break through to the public that’s the reality that’s the other thing there’s a marketing aspect to this Caleb plant

Tried his best faded late against Ben aidas but I guarantee you a lot of the people that aren’t like me or you they have forgotten who he is so it’s this Perpetual cycle either you’re ring rust or or you’re unknown and you’re not sharp and then you’re going to go back

To having a layoff so I don’t look a lot of the PBC Fighters I’ve called it the PB cult in the past I think a lot of that Still Remains but but this is the this is the thing right I don’t from what I’m hearing you know Al Heyman has

A lot of Fighters he has over 200 or whatever right and you hear this rumor online from a lot of these guys that’s in the cult well you know I don’t hear nobody complaining everybody doing well over there and this is the thing uh you say they’re not allowed to they not

There disparagement Clauses in the contract um but I I’ll just say this they know that they’re not allowed to say a lot because the problem is let’s say you do complain you know what they’re going to do just going to bench you longer I mean it’s a tough situation

It’s like being in a relationship that damned if you do damned if you don’t um but I I but just because the fighters are not complaining okay number one uh a lot of them one thing I’ve known about Fighters a lot of them are not as tough outside the

Ring as they are inside the ring uh number two they may be afraid to speak out because there may be punitive actions against them and number three I’ve heard for years that there are disparagement clauses inserted in the contract where guys can’t say anything um but I do find it interesting now guys

Like subriel Matias are breaking away yeah I mean I think I mean we hearing that he signning with match room uh one thing I do like about that move he’s going to be a lot more active as it relate to Shakur Stevenson to Pivot back

To him if he don’t resign with top rank what are his options like what does he think his market value is at this point we’re gonna find out I’m actually curious to see what happens if his relationship with top rank ends and now you’re are a free agent is he A-Rod Alex

Rodriguez in 2001 is he going to get one of the great deals of all time we’ll see look this is what he has going for him very skilled very talented draws well in nework has done really good television numbers for ESPN so he’s gotten to that Plateau but now he’s going to need

Somebody he has to entice one of these other big names to get inside the ring with him that last fight did a lot of damage and I know that internally at Top Rank that there was a thought like wow are we is this worth moving on forward

With you mean like break the bank want to break the bank I mean because you know that he has an expectation um and he’s been a twice a year Fighter for at least four years and I don’t know if as talented as he is if his skill set is

Fully developed I still think he needed more at bats um but it is what it is they don’t go backwards on the money I know that campus said that at nauseum but I want to see is this going to be a dose of reality to Shakur Stevenson that

I may think I’m the best fighter in the world but L Merchant told me this and he taught me this lesson years ago he said Steve you can be a greater more talented singer than G Brooks but that doesn’t make you the biggest star there’s a difference um top rank explain to me

Their business model because I I I’ve done I’ve done a show on this before and I said well if you start to look at top ranks history they don’t they their their company is not predicated upon pandering to one Superstar that’s on their team that’s with with their promotional company they’re going they

Have a certain business model that they do and Fighters can come and go but that company is still going to be around and effective um what say you about that someone like a star like a Shakur you had Floyd Mayweather had like 35 fights with top rank if I’m not mistaken you

Know Manny Pacquiao went through there a lot of all these guys Morales Miguel Cotto Kelly pav you know what they do is there’s an old thing I think Jack London um the strength of the wolf is the pack and the strength of the pack is the wolf

Like they want to develop stars but they’re never going to be relying on one star and it’s like a conveyor belt um as you come through their system like a Nonito Donaire Miguel Cotto a lot of the names that I name and eventually as they become so big that

They seek greener pastures guess what there’s another star coming through an Abdullah Mason yeah tesan Davis maybe right Raymond murataya so they always have a consistent flow of talent and their strength is being able to identify talent and then nurturing that Talent developing that talent and then

Promoting it um and I always find it strange like these are business people they’re not asking people not to get paid they’re just saying we’re going to have a disciplined mindset that we’re going to pay you what you think you are worth we’re going to live to the letter

Of the law of the contract and if you leave you leave you know Manny Pacquiao finished out his career without top rank as did Miguel Cotto and other Fighters have too but there’s also a lot of other Fighters that’ll tell you that their best time was with that company um but

People I think there are certain people that simply will not give them credit for what they do there’s a reason why Bob arum has been effective and a major player in this business for at least four and a half five decades what what what do you think about tiimo Lopez I

Know that he’s fighting Jermaine Ortiz but you know T Tio says a lot say they want to fight tence Crawford this and that I don’t think that’s a reality to be fair to me it seems that um he just uses other people names to sell his fight we haven’t heard much about

Jermaine Ortiz he doesn’t really talk about him but what say you about um how do you the trajectory of T I would describe Tia fima who I was probably on earlier than anybody from his second third fight on I saw special talent um me and Mario

Had him in studio when he was still Prospect him and his father we help blow that up I’ll take a lot of credit for it but he’s talented but temperamental and it’s all that other stuff he hasn’t mastered every time he sees Prosperity he creates his own adversity

Like beating lomachenko what’s he do goes to war with top rank goes to the purse bid goes with triller wastes a year of his career and then he loses to cambos that’s on nobody but himself look at last year he beats Josh Taylor in a spectacular performance what’s he do

Five days after he announces a retirement that’s on nobody but him and he wants to know why he’s not a bigger star and why he’s not getting more money well Tio you don’t fight enough and then you quit boxing for a while and you only

Fought once at the age of 25 that’s an incredible waste of a prime year when you had all the momentum but in terms of ability he’s Elite in terms of the ability to be a showman and to be an Entertainer he’s one of the very best

Period because when he’s on top of his game he’s not just uh good he’s good to watch yeah he is and but this is going to be the mark what we’re going to see tonight I don’t know when this uh interview is going to go up but what do

The really great Fighters do coach the elite one you know what they do they beat all the very good ones in other words if you’re a 10 you take care of the sevens and eights that’s what the elite Fighters do Hagler Marvin Haggler was perfect example right look all the

Great Fighters that you can name the last 30 years they didn’t have a lot of bad nights like they like he did with kosas like so they want to keep acting like that fight never happened and then they make a bunch of excuses time out you wanted that money you stepped in

That ring you have to deal with that result it’s a part of your legacy TI fimos to me it seems like and I think I heard an interview with maybe uh maros Vegas he he feel that he’s looking at tank Davis the type of money he’s making

Ryan Garcia the people I guess his in his in his group his age group or whatever his contemporary so to speak and he feels that he’s undervalued top rank is not paying him he should be making the type of money that they’re making why where’s his where’s the flaw

On his logic well because again he’s he’s he is mistaking ability for marketability I’m just telling you I actually think tiimo is better than all these guys at the top of his game when he’s sharp when he’s happy but this is a fact his last fight against Josh Taylor

Was not in the big room at the Madison Square Garden he was at the theater so he fought in front of less than 5,000 people right um the lost to cambos has really hurt his value set him back I’ll never forget after they beat L when I

Was still really friendly with them I told the father I told Junior that’s what we call him Junior look you that’s a great win over LMA don’t think you’re a star yet there a great platform that you launched yourself on you got a head start if I

Were you in that next year 2021 I tell top rank give me four or five fights let’s do what Del La Hoya did in 97 get out there and now you can build the momentum what did they do they wasted a whole year chasing triller money that’s

It’s not on the business they decided to do that they went that route and they have to live with it Tio has a disadvantage in a sense that the other guys are either black American or they’re Mexican American right so so ethnically and culturally you have a

Built-in base he’s Honduran so it’s a little bit different right so you have to he had to build a little bit more and put more work into it to create an organic fan base okay I don’t think anyone’s everever really told him the truth including his Zone management all

They’ve done is enable a lot of bad decisions but what I’m hearing from people at top rank is like hey Steve this will be probably one of three fights this year he does that and just keeps stacking chips you’re gonna get to some place because I remember when when

Mayweather was this young fighter and he was so like envious of Prince hemed making a lot more money than him on HBO or being second banana to Del La Hoya even though even felt as a young kid I’m better than De La Hoya right now

But he had to work at he put in 37 fights and then became the most lucrative fighter in the world and you know how long that took him 11 years coach so this whole notion that I’m just going to retire because I’m having a bad

Day and I want people to feel sorry for me in your F year as a pro no one’s listening to that what do you what say you about um we know we know tiimo was saying he want to fight T Crawford I don’t think that’s reality but what’s we

And we saw Crawford last night I saw him last night but um the thing is is Terence Crawford and Errol Spence we hear that that fight is not going down now I don’t know who Crawford is gonna fight next I did speak to BAC um he said

They working on some things yeah you know I spoke to BAC yesterday too last night going through the casino they are hoping to get a fight sometime this year they’re not going to just look the plan is for them and I this may not work out they’re not just

Going to wait for Canelo and hope they get the fight by September they want to fight in between which I think is prudent um but here’s the thing the Crawford Tia Fimo fight i’ watch it it’s a really good matchup of two of the top 10 fighters in the

World but I wonder do you think Top Rank and Bob arum want to go out there knowing that that pay-per-view may not do as much as they think it will do right and do you think they really want to put up a large guarantee for Terence

Crawford who just recent I mean it was kind of a bitter divorce let’s be honest about it so the politics there um don’t seem to really iron out and my view is this with Tio forget about just focusing in on one name just keep fighting and being consistent build up your base

You’ll get there but you quitting after every fight or doing some wacky thing it doesn’t help this cause it doesn’t what are you hearing about uh Canelo Alvarez I’m seeing rumors on Twitter that hey because the PBC Rick Glazer did say that PBC wasn’t getting a get an annual

Budget from Amazon on so now the PBC has to foot the bill in order to put up the money for their fights but I’m hearing that I don’t know how true this is Steve so I just want to know what you’re hearing Canelo was like okay well who’s

Gonna fun my foot my guarantee for my next fight where’s that money coming from I’ll just say this for all these people who doubt Rick Glazer I find him to be very accurate on most things including this so for all those people that don’t like Rick Glazer

Uh want to D B him or doubt him go ahead his track record speaks for himself itself and when it comes to that particular subject uh I’ve had conversations where people have confirmed those thoughts of Mr Glazer he was spot on because I remember when he said Showtime was going

Out of business this is gonna be the last year everyone attacked him oh you you you hating this and that this and that come to find out Showtime fol they’re like a lawn chair and those same people you know they mouth is close I know one thing about Rick he’s in the

Business he’s in the business he talks to people on a daily basis he’s passionate about it he really cares um and look just like anybody else I don’t agree with everything he says neither do you right but it is what it is but to say that he is not knowledgeable and

That he’s not connected or sourced huh I I I I would I would really strongly disagree with that so what there someone like a Canelo because I’m pretty sure these spiders are hearing the same thing I’m pretty sure Errol Spence is hearing this who is Spence going to fight next

Or when is he going to fight what does someone like a Canelo does next like okay where’s my money going to come from um Floyd Mayweather says he has Investments where he’s making $300 million a month I have the video where he said it yeah you know he he’s

Investing in skyscrapers and he have $20 million watches why won’t don’t forget the Jael Blaster love the jail Blaster why won’t Floyd put his money up he has a plethora of money you mean like be a real promoter h yeah why he won’t put his money thing called Mayweather promotion whatever

Happened to them by the way haven’t done a show at samstown in a while well you know ly Elby Lena El is a CEO but my thing is why they they’re making a whole lot of money from what they were saying you know we we we did astronomical

Numbers this is what L Elby says you know we set so many records even though most was saying that last year and then Showtime FS so I’m like if you guys were so successful and you made so much money why you can’t fund your own fights a big

Money fights that’s a very good question I don’t think we’ll ever have it answered but that’s a very good question and it is interesting because that’s another thing going back if your Amazon Prime or your PBC and you want to make a splash I would have just said all right

Let’s just wait for Canelo then seriously I just would have waited for Canelo I mean what is the difference between waiting March 30th to make 5th or whatever that single Dem it’s five weeks isn’t it coach it’s five weeks what is the difference but this is the thing though Steve this is so

Strange you you know it’s been two months went by we’re going we’re going to the end of the third month in March 30th no one from the PBC is having a fight so all of these Fighters so like what do these Fighters do if you’re dependent upon the PBC and you’re not

Going to have a they’re not going to announce the first fight C until March the 30th like what do they do are actually taking fights with other smaller promoters okay like uh Mark maio did so recently in Long Beach okay so some of them are going that but I wonder

How many of them are willing to do that I wonder how many of them are willing to take a haircut financially just for the activity sake you know just actually think long term because so many fighters and managers and and again I don’t necessarily blame them but they want to

Go to the letter of the law in terms of the contract minimum they won’t fight for a nickel less I’m thinking yeah but what if what if the other option is you don’t fight for another eight months right you’re losing money you’re also losing skill you’re losing time you’re

Losing the ability to get better um so I don’t that’s a very interesting I I thought it was interesting that they only announced one show March 30th because generally you always announce like Hey we’re having a show March 30th April 25th May 7th and so on so now you

Kind of schedule it out so as of right now we know about March 30th again I’m not the guy to ask cuz I don’t have real I don’t talk to those people they don’t talk to me either to be honest so I’m just kind of waiting like everyone else

But I am curious is that what do the other 120 150 fighters who are not on March 30th what are they being told cuz I I was on I’ll send you a text when I’m off but there’s a legitimate contender in a really good division that had

Fought on PBC the last couple of years and I’ll show you when we get off the air I will show you this text the manager sick of it and he says we’re out of there a guy that’s been on TV and a guy that’s a very good fight fighter

Very exciting um and can win a world title who has said Steve I’m I’m sick of getting jerked around I’m out of here we’re out of here so what what do you think about Turkey alesik um he’s saying that he wants to put on this is what I’m

Hearing now he wants to put on the of course Javonte Davis and Devon Haney fight but we saw what was going on on Twitter with tank yeah and then now I’m hearing about he wants to put on the Canelo put the money up for the Canelo

And the Crawford fight well is there any vality to that Alik is a boxing fan he’s not just a suit or a powerful man with money that wants to dabble in boxing I was actually very impressed when he did that interview with a o Leo and they asked them who’s your favorite fighter

Now everyone always says Tyson or Ray Leonard right someone famous or or really like uh De La Hoya or Paco I love the fact he said Larry Holmes and Durant like yeah yeah you know what yeah you’re actually a real fan like because I mean

Honestly you kind of have to be like a hardcore guy to appreciate especially Larry Holmes Larry Holmes yeah and best in boxing and he actually said I’m a fan I’m a fan first and there’s a variable in a sense I think I got health issues I’m not going to be around forever I

Want to see certain fights they’ve made it clear I’ve been told this and Bob arum confirmed it on a recent episode of three knockdown rule they want to do six big events per year with the Riad season in Saudi Arabia so they’re not going to get every fight they’re going to get

Certain key fights like a better BFB ball which otherwise could not be made in America because of the financing involved to bring both sides together so this whole notion that somehow they’re going to ruin everything in America it’s not true um and by the way the American

Boxing scene has let itself down they allowed this to happen they did for years they neglected the sport in so many different ways that they allowed this to happen but I believe that his Excellency is a guy that’s going to help bridge the gap for a lot of important

Fights to happen and look boxing has been going to where the money is for years and I I I really laugh at all these people on social media and talk about these fights all need to be an American like really like the thrill in Manila like The Rumble in the Jungle

Like Tyson Douglas in Tokyo these people are either dishonest or they’re not very intelligent about the subject matter the bottom line is and Larry Merchant told me this years ago Steve they always go where the most money is okay so for years you’ve been going to Indian

Casinos you’ve been going to the silver Dome where fights didn’t belong now all of a sudden we want to play location police get out of here with that I’m not hearing it it’s amazing you say something about social media because it seemed like there’s a social media I

Want want to say like civil war going on boxing fans online social media and I they seem to be celebrity worshippers they are they’re Jo they idolize these Fighters they make them deities and I’ve seen situations where you know guys get threatened like myself and others um and

These like just imagine being so emotionally invested in a fighter that’s a multi-millionaire who don’t even know that you exist and you’re threatening someone willing to quote unquote throw it all away which they which they won they got shoter but they got Shooters and this and that over multi-millionaires who don’t even know

They exist and it seemed like this is where we at right now what do you think about the social media aspect of it well look I I I’ve kind of been at the center of the storm a lot of times because I didn’t worship Floyd Mayweather to the

Degree that others did um I was I was critical of Al Heyman and that’s the other thing they they really love Al Haymon um that they look at him as a Godlike figure in a lot of ways but I I do find but that’s part and partial with

The celebrity culture and The Jock sniffing nature of a lot of public like just like we’re talking about with Jason Whitlock this Fascination and this almost like religious Zeal a lot of fans will have over Taylor Swift I’ve never listened to a Taylor Swift song could

Name you one right um what about Beyonce Beyond yeah that the whole beay hiive yeah and I’m like wow this is really interesting um but yes a lot of these individuals look for fulfillment in living through vicariously celebrities athletes and in this case specifically boxers I mean the psychological meltdown that took place

Over Spence Crawford I can’t lie I enjoyed it though I I I enjoyed it because these people really thought that this was going to be their crowning achievement and to see it come crumbling down and then I’ll always be thankful to Terence Crawford because he brought me

So much entertainment I’m not a liot you coach when that night happened I watched so many reaction videos of live like people were watching the fight live and they’re like oh man we’re going to and soon as a second round knockdown happened these people it’s like they

Their lives left their body I can’t lie I’m Petty I enjoyed all of it t Terence Crawford uh to me I feel like he broke the bank it’s like he broke the PBC back with that it was so much riding on Errol Spence fight even though they didn’t

Want to make it I spoke to Crawford he explained to me how that deal went down he had to go talk to Errol Spence Al Heyman was blocking it you know giving him the run around but it happened so it’s like once once that fight was made

A lot of the Spence has a ct-like following online coach here’s the difference I never thought anything could reach the fervor of Wilder’s loss against Fury that was bad the the second fight right here’s the difference though Spence was more highly regarded than than Wilder like Wilder was always known

As the most dangerous exciting heavyweight these people really thought that Spence was the best fighter in the world pound-for-pound right so they really actually thought okay Wilder we got as far as we can with this but errol’s going to take us to the Mountaintop and and this the irony

There’s no group of fans that slandered Terrence Crawford more than that group of fans who said that they are pro black that’s right there nobody made it more racial and said more slurs against Terence Crawford then they did that’s the truth I used to get into a lot of

Trouble because I used to see what Terrence went through and they said well Terence be working for the white man and I was like okay A lot of people do and I and I tweeted this more than once I said for all those people saying I have a

Question put up your paycheck St let’s see who you work for not only that I mean the hypocrisy there was just deep and I don’t even think they understood their own hypocrisy not only that but you know the company who you’re Pro for pro PBC Al

Heyman he got money from the same white man that you’re talking about yeah you know so like he they’re not funding their fights they’re getting their money from the white networks so it’s like it’s it’s selective outrage you can’t be and I say this time and time again you

Can’t be Pro black in one breath but you’re tearing down other black Fighters you call this guy top ranked Toby you call him a slave Bob is his master and it was really uncalled for well the stuff that BAC went through I had I hadn’t spoken to BAC in a very long time

And I just I said hey BAC I’m really happy for you and we joked about you know that famous clip where he comes into the locker room after the fight right with that WBC trainers belt and he said yeah and I’ve never SE and he said

He said Steve that was a release of emotion yeah because they started talking very very greasy and bad about BAC had nothing to do with boxing started making fun of a lot of different things and when we spoke to Terrence me and Mario uh that agitated Terrence yeah

I know one thing about Terence he listens and hears everything okay he does either him or tit or and that was part of that motivation but um I’ve said this for a while it’s just boxing this is not that important Life Will Go On no

Matter who wins or loses a fight I don’t really get emotionally connected to any Fighters or fights anymore for the most part I really don’t um my job is going to be there regardless whoever wins a fight or not my job is to tell the truth and no matter what

Happens my job is to tell it like it is so no matter what happens tonight whether TFA Lopez looks spectacular or whether Germaine Ortiz pulls off the big upset it’s not going to really impact me it’s just going to impact the work that me and you create as content creators in

Our realm and our job is just to be honest about it that’s it so that’s why I don’t when I hear these fans get so unhinged over an opinion that you’ll state or I’ll State I always say to myself wow is it really that important and it’s like you said it’s it’s just

Boxing at the end of the day life is going to go on someone has to win someone has to lose you know Crawford beat Spence it is what it is it’s over with um those same people who don’t like them some of them are trying to like

Them now but they still don’t like them so it’s like you got to let it go um um one more thing in the WAP up you’ve been watching Boston a long time Steve and I remember and I say this time and time again I’ve never made a decision to

Watch a fight based on which promotional company the fighter is with if you ain’t down with Don King Promotions then F Top Rank and vice versa and it’s like it’s it it seemed like online is just so clickish these guys have an emotional investment into promotional companies

Networks why is that in today’s time when it was it’s the tribalism it really is and it kind of reminds me I guarantee you there’s probably people out there that said oh man I’m only going to buy Death Row Records bad boy I’m not doing bad

Boy I’m just doing death row and they probably got into that East Coast West Coast be and they probably really took it seriously right right um I you know I from the time that I watched boxing this when Don King was at his Apex and like the mid to late

80s and he always did kind of the bigger show shows and then arum would do a lot of big shows but King did the extravaganzas right right um and then obviously arum has had a much better finish to his run but you’re right it never really impacted me who was the

Promoter because many times I didn’t know I was a young kid didn’t really care if was on CBS ABC NBC USA ESPN or pay-per-view didn’t really matter but as you have said many times before there are people out there that have made Al Heyman and PB into this cultural

Touchstone or an icon or what you call the civil rights movement of boxing right and and I’m like oh you you can take it that way I don’t and but and and with that said I don’t have to agree with you see too many people think that

And they they throw Tantrums over this is that if you don’t agree with me I’m just going to call you racist and I’ve said go right ahead I I’m not like a lot of these guys I’ll stand firm on whatever I say it’s not going to impact

Me it really isn’t um but the fact that they made this more than what it is which is just boxing and boxing is really just sport um boxing is really just business dressed up as a sport it’s all it is people have to realize that um but when

You have people out there who look towards sports and entertainment and has this influence as the ability to actually drive their mood I think that’s not only scary I think that’s sad it it’s very sad um before we end the interview Steve do you have any U parting words to the you know

Just the boxing fans in general one bit of advice if you want to be happier as a boxing fan and I’ve said this on other shows like BDA boxing and I’ve said this to jwes ring IQ shout out to all of them watch what you want to watch you don’t

Have to watch all the boxing maybe I do because I in theory I cover it so maybe I do but many of you fans out there when you go to a basin Robins there’s 31 Flavors don’t you guys always get the flavors you want you don’t try all 31

Flavors or when you get a pizza you only get the toppings you like and nobody gets anchovies so if you want to be a happier boxing fan watch what you want support what you like and the other stuff just learn to live without it and

You’ll have a lot more time and I think you’ll be more or less satisfied this whole notion that somehow boxing fans you have to support everything completely disagree I do not agree with that thought process I don’t even think it’s realistic and look if you want to

Be the type of person that says I’m not going to ever watch a bob arum show you know what that’s your right too I can’t be hypocritical about it I think you’re going to miss out on some of the best fights in the world because you know

What if I didn’t watch PBC guess what I’d actually miss out on a lot of good fights there too I can admit that but I do believe that boxing fans uh support the sport support what what you want support when you want to support it and

Um have fun with the sport it’s not that important but it’s a form of entertainment and that’s it let everybody know how to get in contact with you what you got going on with the three knockdown rle podcast and stuff like yeah well me and Mario Lopez yes

That one we do the three knockdown rule weekly show get it on YouTube and all the podcast platforms it’s the number three knockdown Rule and then I also uh do a lot of uh weekly or daily segments or couple week times a week with Jason Whitlock on Fearless uh and then also on

Social media Steve Kim 323 on Twitter and Steve O Kim on Instagram all right thank you so much Steve for the interview I’m out of here bro Go W Oh Oh