Kira K. Dixon and Rex Hoggard report on Monday’s PGA Tour Policy Board meeting and an updated timeline for a PIF deal, before Eamon Lynch and George Savaricas debate over Talor Gooch’s comments on asterisks for majors. #GolfChannel #GolfToday #TalorGooch
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1.5 BILLION, A NEW ENTERPRISE WHERE SSG WILL BE A MINORITY INVESTOR. FOR MORE LET’S WELCOME IN KIRA K. DIXON FROM PGA NATIONAL. THERE’S A POLICY BOARD MEETING YESTERDAY ON SITE AT THE COGNIZANT CLASSIC. WHAT WAS YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM THE MEETING? >> YEAH, GEORGE, FLORIDA
CERTAINLY MEANS THAT THE POLITICS OF THE PGA TOUR ARE COMING MORE TO THE FOREFRONT. YESTERDAY, THE PGA TOUR’S POLICY BOARD MET ON SITE HERE AT PGA NATIONAL FROM ABOUT 1:00 TO ABOUT 7:45 IN THE EVENING. NOW, JAY MONAHAN DID MEET WITH YASSER EL RAMAYAN, THE GOVERNOR
OF THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT FUND OF SAUDI ARABIA A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THERE WAS NO SAUDI OR PIF PRESENCE IN YESTERDAY’S MEETING. IN TERMS OF THE CONTENT, THEY DISCUSSED PLENTY OF THE CONTINUED UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT WE OFTEN HEAR ABOUT. THE PLAYER THAT I SPOKE TO THAT
WAS IN THE MEETING, A MEMBER OF THE PGA TOUR POLICY BOARD SAID THAT IT IS A GREAT TIME TO BE A PROFESSIONAL GOLFER IN THE CLIMATE THAT WE HAVE TODAY. BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE GAME, AND THEIR PRIORITIES CONTINUE TO
BE — TO GET THE BEST PLAYERS TOGETHER AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE, AND ANOTHER PRIORITY IS TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THE CONSTANT DRAMA AND DISTRACTION THAT COMES WITH THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE BEEN HAVING ABOUT THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT FUND AND LIV GOLF AND
THE FACT THAT THAT VERY MUCH AFFECTS THE PGA PRODUCTS DAY IN AND DAY OUT. AND THE PRODUCT THE FANS CONSUME. IN TERMS OF TIMING, THEY’RE LOOKING AT HOPEFULLY HAVING A RESOLUTION BY THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT THERE’S PLENTY OF DIVISION,
GEORGE, THAT STILL REMAINS WHEN IT COMES TO THE SUBJECT OF WHAT TO DO WITH LIV GOLF. >> ALL RIGHT. SO DEFINITELY AN IMPORTANT KERNEL IN KIRA’S REPORT. THEY’RE SAYING TIMING AT THE END OF THE YEAR. WE’RE GOING TO DIVE INTO THIS IN JUST A SECOND. LET’S WELCOME IN GOLFCHANNEL.COM
SENIOR WRITER, REX HOGGARD, WHAT’S YOUR REACTION TO WHAT CAME OUT OF YESTERDAY’S MEETING? >> I THINK WE STARTED TO HEAR THIS OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS. I MEAN, I THINK THERE WAS A LEVEL OF OPTIMISM FROM PEOPLE INSIDE THE PGA TOUR AND THE DP
WORLD TOUR THAT MAYBE A DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT FUND COULD GET COMPLETED BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE MASTERS, WHEN KEITH PELLEY ANNOUNCED THAT HE WAS STEPPING DOWN, HE VOICED THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING BEFORE THEY GOT TO THE
MASTERS AND WHEN HE WAS GOING TO STEP DOWN AS CEO OF THE DP WORLD TOUR, THAT SEEMS UNDOABLE. THE POLICY BOARD AFTER YESTERDAY’S MARATHON MEETING IS GETTING AN IDEA OF HOW COMPLICATED THIS IS GOING TO BE. WHEN I’VE TALKED WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SIMILAR
MULTIBILLION DOLLAR DEALS, THEY POINT OUT THERE’S A LOT OF COMPLEXITIES AND NUANCES WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TYPES OF DEALS. WHAT’S GOING TO MAKE THIS ONE MORE DIFFICULT IS YOU’RE STARTING TO DEAL WITH COMPETING INTERESTS AND COMPETING MOTIVATIONS HERE. I THINK WE JUST TALKED ABOUT
THIS YESTERDAY. THE IDEA THAT JON RAHM TOLD ESPN HE HASN’T SPOKEN WITH TIGER WOODS SINCE HE JOINED LIV GOLF AND PART OF THE COMPONENT, IF THERE’S GOING TO BE A DEAL BETWEEN THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT FUND AND THE PGA TOUR IS WELCOMING PLAYERS BACK WHO
JOINED LIV GOLF INTO THE PGA TOUR AND THAT’S A REALLY GOOD INDICATION THAT’S NOT ON THE HORIZON ANYTIME SOON. >> WHEN YOU HEAR THE TIME LINE BEING THE END OF THE YEAR, AND WHEN THE DEAL WAS KIND OF FIRST ANNOUNCED JUNE 6th OF LAST YEAR,
I HAD PEOPLE TELLING ME, SUMMER OF ’24, END OF ’24 IS MORE REALISTIC THAN THE END OF ’23. DO YOU VIEW THIS UPDATED TIME LINE IN ANY WAY AS A SETBACK OR IS IT MORE INDICATIVE OF THE COMPLEXITIES AND MULTIPLE STAKE
HOLDERS INVOLVED TO TRY AND GET THIS DEAL TO COME TO FRUITION? >> I THINK YOUR FRIENDS ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS IS ALL ABOUT BEING REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO IN THAT TIME FRAME. I WAS TOLD BY PEOPLE INTERNALLY AT THE PGA TOUR WHEN THEY FIRST
ANNOUNCED THE FRAMEWORK AGREEMENT AND CAME UP WITH THE DECEMBER 31st DEADLINE. THAT WAS TO GET EVERYONE MARCHING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. THEY DIDN’T HAVE REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS, THEY WOULD HAVE A COMPLETED DEAL BY THEN. THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS SORT OF DRIVING
TOWARDS THE SAME GOAL. I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT, THE END OF THIS YEAR IS PROBABLY A MUCH BETTER SCENARIO. YOU CAN WORK OUT ALL OF THESE DETAILS. AS I PIANOEOINTED OUT, BRINGING LIV PLAYERS BACK, HOW ARE THE PLAYERS WHO STAYED LOYAL TO THE PGA TOUR GOING TO BE
COMPENSATED. I THINK ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TIME TO WORK OUT. >> HE IS GOLFCHANNEL.COM SENIOR WRITER, REX HOGGARD. YOU’VE HEARD WHAT KIRA AND REX HAD TO SHARE. IF YOU TAKE A 10,000 FOOT VIEW O AT WHERE THINGS STAND RIGHT NOW, WHAT’S YOUR TAKE?
>> I DON’T THINK THERE’S ANY SURPRISE IN TERMS OF THE TIME LINE HERE. REX AND KIRA ARE RIGHT IN TERMS OF GRANULAR ISSUES, THE PEOPLE I HAVE TALKED TO IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS SUGGEST THAT THE STUMBLING BLOCK THIS THIS TIME CONSUMING
PART OF THIS IS WHO MAKES DECISIONS. WHO IS AUTHORIZED AND EMPOWERED TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THE PIF SIDE OF THINGS, IN TERMS OF THOSE GNARLY QUESTIONS. I DON’T BELIEVE BASED ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT PERSON HAS BEEN YET IDENTIFIED. I DON’T THINK ANYONE BELIEVES
THE FINANCIALS ARE GOING TO BE A HUGE PROBLEM IN THIS BECAUSE IN A LOT OF WAYS, THE FINANCIALS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE. IT’S VERY CLOSE TO A MIRROR IMAGE IN SOME WAYS WITH THE DEAL WE SAW WITH STRATEGIC SPORTS GROUP. THE FENWAY GUYS FROM BOSTON.
I THINK THERE ARE COMPLICATED ISSUES HERE EVEN OUTSIDE OF GOLF THAT ARE GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC. YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT A REGULATORY SCRUTINY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE SITUATION THAT THE PGA TOUR HAS NO CONTROL OVER. I MEAN, THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT
FUND IS CURRENTLY IGNORING SUBPOENAS FROM CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRIES IN OTHER AREAS. THREATENING TO GEL ITS OWN ADVISERS IN AMERICA WHO WORK FOR THEM IF THEY COMPLY WITH THE SUBPOENAS. THE CONFLICTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST ARE ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT COULD DELAY AND RATTLE THIS PROCESS.
I THINK YOU’RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY WELL INTO 2025 BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY START TO GET A VISION OF WHAT THIS SOLUTION WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE GROUND, MUCH LESS SEEING IT IN THE GROUND. >> ASSUMING THIS MOVES FORWARD ON A TRAJECTORY WHERE THE PUBLIC
INVESTMENT FUND IS ABLE TO COME IN WITH THE PGA TOUR AND SSG GROUP, AT WHAT POINT COULD GOLF FANS THINK, OKAY, WE HAVE A LEVEL OF STABILIZATION. NOW WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUTURE COULD LOOK LIKE. >> THE MULTIBILLION DOLLAR QUESTION AT THIS POINT.
IT WOULD SEEM VERY CLEAR IF YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT BEING INTO 25 BEFORE THERE’S AGREEMENT REACHED ON THE BROAD STROKES, THE TERMS OF WHAT A RESOLVED, PEACEFUL GOLF LANDSCAPE WOULD LOOK LIKE, YOU’VE GOT TO REALISTICALLY BEING LOOKING AT 2027 BY THEN.
IF JON RAHM LEFT A FEW MONTHS AGO THINKING HE WOULD BE BACK WITH HIS POCKETS FULL IN A FEW MONTHS, HE’S DELUSIONAL. I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE PARALLEL TOURS RUNNING FOR QUITE SOME TIME. IF THAT’S WHAT JON RAHM LEFT ON
THAT BASIS, HE WAS SOLD A BILL OF GOODS. THERE ARE A LOT OF THORNY ISSUES HERE, AND THOSE THORNY ISSUES AREN’T GOING TO BE RESOLVED ANYTIME SOON, WHICH ALSO MAKES AUSTRALIAN GOLF DIGEST QUITE INTERESTING THAT WE SAW COME OUT THIS MORNING AS WELL AND THIS IS
WHAT TAYLOR GOOCH HAD TO SAY, IF RORY McILROY FINISHES HIS CAREER GRAND SLAM WITHOUT SOME O. BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD THERE’S GOING TO BE AN ASTERISK. FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD. IT’S INTERESTING COMING FROM TALOR. HE WASN’T ELIGIBLE FOR THE U.S.
OPEN LAST SUMMER. HE DECLINED ENTERING QUALIFYING TO MAKE HIS WAY INTO THE FIELD, SO I GUESS HAVING TAKING A HAND FROM THE SAUDIS, HE WANTED ONE FROM THE USGA AS WELL. THERE’S NO ONE WHO QUALIFIES AS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE FIELD.
THERE ISN’T A SINGLE EVENT ON THE PLANET THAT’S DIMINISHED BY THE ABSENCE OF THALOR GOOCH. >> HOW CAN YOU SAY THERE ISN’T A SINGLE EVENT WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER RANKING METRICS OUT THERE ASIDE FROM THE OFFICIAL WORLD GOLF RANKINGS, HAVE THEM
PLAY AMONG TOP 50, TOP 60. >> THEY’RE ALL IN THE FIELD AT AUGUSTA NATIONAL. BEAU HOSSLER IS THE TOP GUY IN THAT FIELD WHO WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE. NO ONE WHO QUALIFIES AS A BEST PLAYER IS NOT IN THE FIELD AT AUGUSTA NATIONAL.
THIS IS NONSENSE THAT TALOR IS PUTTING OUT THERE. IF YOU’RE GOING TO USE THE ASTERISK ARGUMENT, IT’S EVERY OPEN CHAMPION PREARNOLD PALMER, BECAUSE THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD DIDN’T BOTHER TO APPLY THE OPEN AT THAT STAGE AS WELL. I THINK ONCE YOU GET INTO THE
IDEA THAT THE BEST PLAYERS ARE SOMEHOW BEING EXCLUDED, THEY’RE NOT RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE ELIGIBILITY. HE’S TALKING SPECIFICALLY THE MASTERS BEING DIMINISHED IN APRIL IF SOMEBODY WINS AND THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD WERE NOT THERE. THE BEST PLAYERS ARE THERE.
>> I WOULD SAY THERE’S SOME CREDENCE TO HIS OVERALL MESSAGING, WHERE I DON’T THINK IF YOU LOOK AT NOT JUST THE MASTERS BUT BEYOND THAT, PGA CHAMPIONSHIP, U.S. OPEN, THE OPEN WITH THE CURRENT QUALIFICATION CRITERIA, AND THE DIMINISHED NUMBERS OF LIV
GOLFERS FROM 2022 TO WHERE WE’RE AT NOW, BUT, YEAH, IT’S NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST INDICATION, IF YOUR GOAL IS TO GET THE BEST 156 PLAYERS OR BEST 90, YOU’RE NOT NECESSARILY FULFILLING THAT OBLIGATION, BUT THE MAJORS HAVE THEIR OWN CRITERIA. IT’S NOT ALWAYS THE GOAL TO GET
THE BEST 156 PLAYERS, YOU’RE GETTING A SNAPSHOT OF SOME OF THE BEST PLAYERS ALONG WITH SECONDARY CRITERIA. IF YOU LOOK AT GOLF HISTORICALLY, BLACK PLAYERS WEREN’T ALLOWED AT THE MASTERS UNTIL 1975. SO YOU COULD LOOK AT. SO EXCLUSIONARY POLICIES PRIOR
TO THAT AND SAY, OKAY, THERE IS A BIT OF AN ASTERISK BECAUSE IT WASN’T OPENED UP TO NECESSARILY THE BEST GOLFERS IN THE 1940s, ’50s, AND ’60s, UNTIL THE MID-’70s GOING FORWARD. YOU LOOK AT IT BASEBALL AND BABE RUTH, HE ONLY PLAYED AGAINST
WHITE PLAYERS UNTIL JACKIE ROBINSON IN 1947. DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE’RE SEEING WITH LIV GOLFERS. ANECDOTALLY, YOU SAY THERE COULD BE AN ASTERISK BUT IT’S NOT WHAT THE AVERAGE GOLFER THINKS LONG-TERM, I WOULD SAY. >> IT’S VERY DIFFERENT TO BE EXCLUDED ON THOSE BASIS, VERSUS
GUYS WHO CHOSE TO TAKE THEMSELVES OUT OF THE PROCESS AND WANT THE RULES REWRITTEN WHEN THEY GET THERE. IT’S NOT A PROBLEM NOW. AT SOME POINT, THE MAJ
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Terrible comments. Your comments are nonsense. Golf channel needs better commentators or people will stop watching.
The best players aren't at the Masters…. The old guy is delusional
The proof of how the pga is failing – just look at the fields they are exhibiting on tv – the pga pros who could of jumped to LIV are ALL now kicking themselves $$$ – the timeline getting pushed is just making it worse
The guy on the right is lacking in analytical thinking and making up with it in pointed sweeping statements, not sure if he is stirring the pot or got an axe to grind – either way not a great look for the golf channel.
There could be a player in college that is technically one of the best players in the world like a Nick Dunlap before the American Express that isn't eligible for the majors but hasn't played on tour yet. So really you could say anything that suits your narrative Gooch
Everything Rex says has an asterisk by it because he is a propagandist for PGA
Does everyone who wins a Liv Golf(*) tournament get a asterisk next to their name, I mean they aren’t playing against the best players, they are playing 3 rounds, sounds like someone who may be regretting his move to Liv Golf (*). I mean Liv Golf (*) in general shouldn’t be able to be written without a asterisk next to it, lol
Remind me when was Gooch’s last major win? Gooch and Niemann both are in LIV, why weren’t Gooch invited to play in the Masters?
The best are not going to be there
Taylor is one of the best
Thank you Masters for letting Jaqu in
The PGA is falling apart. LIV will take additional top 20 players as this goes along and interest in PGA will continue decline. PIF has hundreds of billions vs. 3 billion for PGA.
LIV top 5 annihilates PGA Tours top 5 all day.
PGA Leadership 🤡🤡🤡
People like Eamon Lynch is the perfect Example why a merger is impossible
The corrupt golf media continues its BS. Every player on any tour knows that there are top 50 golfers not in the masters due to collusion and BS. The old dude is corrupt and not an honest voice.
Thought experiment, if the PIF/PGA deal went through, would Gooch be in? You can't seriously say no, total blackout out of one of the modern greats
Talor Gooch chose to go to LIV, so be gone, forget about the majors, you chose LIV so be gone!
He took the dirty Saudi cake to play 54 hole exhibitions. He knew the consequences.
Talor is right
The PGA right now is unwatchable the play is dull boring and mediocre at best. Even the announcers are boring note to CBS offer Faldo a kings ransom to come back Jim needs the help.
Simply put LIVGolf is more entertaining at this point. Sorry but Scottie Scheffler doesn't excite me. Patrick Cantlay makes me sleepy waiting for him to hit a shot. Jordan Spieth, Rickie Fowler well I could go on and on. PGATour is my grandfathers and fathers golf tour. LIVGolf will be the golf tour of choice for the younger generation.
Rich people always crying about shit that only matters to them.
Them guys knew the ramifications when they signed for all that money. Sorry but nobody feels sorry for your greedy ass just because you want to play in the majors too. Get back to growing the game and quit your bitching.
YES!!! He is definitely right. There needs to be an agreement in the near future. What would really do it, would be if that rumor of McIlroy going to LIV for $950 million came true. That would cement it. The PGA Tour would be the "Emperor Without Clothes" then. Who would they have left that is a big draw? Tiger Woods, who can't even make cuts anymore? Scotty Scheffler? Probably one of the least popular #1 ranked players in decades.
There will be no deal because the PGA Tour is delusional and you guys are delusional also as surrogates of the PGA Tour. Within a year all the top major winners will be on LIV with the possible exception of Scheffler, Spieth and Thomas. The PGA Tour wants business as usual with an infusion of PIF money and are using their OWGR partners to try to achieve this. LIV players have no need to come back to the PGA Tour. The PGA Tour needs the LIV players to return for a few tournaments to improve their fields and increase revenue. There will be no penalty. The PGA Tour’s strategy will lead to their ruination and it didn’t have to be that way.
Taylor Gooch is 16 in the world in the Sports Illustrated ranking which isn’t perfect but it at least includes all players. If you were real journalist you would acknowledge that instead of just being mouthpieces for the PGA Tour. LIV has won all the battles except for OWGR which is the root of the collusion.
PGAT=zero transparency
PIF are not interested in dealing with PGAT crooks
Lynch is such a disgrace….such a terrible human….karma will visit him soon enough
There was a time…a long time….before OWGR existed….the money list was used to decide on who played in the majors