Hull KR vs Leeds Match Review Panel

We review Hull KR vs Leeds Rhinos from Round 2 of Super League!

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Man my co-host but our amazing stats man statman Reese that’s the first time you’ve ever said right hand man and I’ve actually been on your right hand side whil clothed whil clothed are we waving at the camera to say this is the first time with video whil you’re messing with that whilst

We’re videoing in our first ever the studio in the podcast I know studio so this is quite we don’t know who he is yet because we haven’t introduced we’ll introduce you’ve never seen his face before but now I’m I’m I wonder which regular this is is this Lori just what Lori looks

Like no no he’s definitely got more herir than me ree how are you I’m really good thank you um you went to the game I did my first ever visit to uh Craven Park um bit of an ass end to get to after a minute I had to park about a

Mile away from the ground so I got my steps in you working from home no I was in the office where’s the office for all right so not as far as skip no not as far I got home about half past midnight that’s not bad um but yeah I got to the ground

Hadn’t eaten anything cuz I literally left work straight to the ground so did you eat there no cuz the queue for the food was ridiculous so I just didn’t bother do you didn’t eat at all no didn’t eat or drink J Christ and then I

Managed to get some food on the way home at fairy Bridge Services the the Glamour and makis no actually the KFC shot at 11:00 didn’t it so I had to get Smiths oh my God truly tragic evening really quite tragic on the fact we got beat should we talk about lead

United or no they’re not kicked off yet no as we record this who’s joining us today ree it’s um my fellow prop in the lot pod uh Super League dream team is yes Squad number eight 10 10 I was Mar eight yeah we still don’t know who they

Are yeah we but this is Duncan everybody everyone say hello to Duncan hi Duncan oh he’s really nervous I am it’s weird he’s quite stressed isn’t he he’s quite stressed about like a duck now it being filmed it being just everything the whole thing well thanks for coming on

You are one of our favorites we’ll start in true lock pod fashion with the positives stman Reese what positives can we can we take from this one um well on a personal note I met two listeners of the lot pod so this is nothing to do

With the game but um I met Adam who had traveled all the way from Belfast um he’s actually going to ro as we speak for the United game tonight but um four leads but you know good effort from him to come over from Belfast I also met

Another guy called Richard who said he listens to the Pod but he said that he listens with his son so we need to remind ourselves if we are going to I don’t think he were called Richard no he was called Richard I think he were called Robert was it Robert yeah I think

He by way his son it was a nice guy I have way his son was called Harry so we need to when we swear today if we do swear it’s cier is George and Harry but hello change to Har we’ll do it ear is Harry but yeah anyway George is gone now

That was one positive uh for me um it’s always nice to meet people that listen to the Pod um but the the big positive for me was Alfie edel without a doubt without a doubt brilliant that is a btim as of fire getting the call up an hour

Before the this game starts you’re the 18th man probably not thinking you’re going to play and then to have to play at KR on that pitch in those in those conditions back was a far place and I said I W start people like narmak and Jack Smith there and win because it’s a

Difficult place to play but I thought Alfie was absolutely superb agreed Duncan positives on this one I’d agree with re Alfie agil I think he’s proven now that Smith can probably have a little bit more trust in the youth CU we don’t know where the likes of Jack Smith

Tom Nicholson what and obviously we’ve seen these guys in pre season and they’ve been really good but then it’s extra when you step up and you go to places like Craven Park yeah especially as a fullback as well because he got peppered last night and I think to make

He got battered in especially in the second half he got battered he made what one error from a high ball which he probably misjudged again I think he I don’t think the gra the pitch had have done him much Furs um in getting his footing I don’t think he let us down on

Kick returns um I thought he was very asard at the back and I think it’s just added more depth to the squad in terms of if locky Miller goes down we’ve got an aable replacement and we don’t have to move three or four people around to fit

To cover Miller to get him in he’s answered the question because people were saying oh why have we let Mila go as a you because he’s a really good backup option he’s answered that question yeah is is Alfie edel better than we thought I know it’s only been

One game we’ve seen little bits of him but from last night I thought let me kind of put a bit of Flesh on that bone I thought his tackle on Whitbread was unbelievable yeah I know Sky picked it up but I don’t think cuz we’re leads

Fans and I I’d wax lyrical about it regardless but I didn’t think they did the commentary did it justice just how fantastic that tackle were it was brilliant and I think I think the measure of my expectation of Alfie or how good he was or not realizing how

Good he was was the first couple of kicks I was [ __ ] myself to be honest thinking oh crap here we go but after three or four the conf I had he changed my mind and I was I was confident him taking the ball so um I think that’s

Probably my assessment was yeah he is far better than I expected cuz he managed to change my mind probably in the space of 20 minutes yeah I think he I think he went from being a youngster making his debut to he’s sort of being oh it’s all right he’ll catch this quite

Quickly yeah yeah in the I think all Le fans have pts the year before when I’ve bombers to be fair the second I always I think we all do want to see these Academy low to play but the second it was announced my mind just cast straight

Back to K last year when Julie had a baptism of f just got absolutely kicked to death by ABD obviously he w’t play him but and I felt he were Fearless a bit like we’re talking about just running into people but not giving a crap about who you’re running into and

Like look after you like I think that’s the worst job in rber league is having to take the high ball on the bomb but then equally if you’ve got time you’ve still got to run it in and it’s always some big bugger in front of you well

Cory Hall whacked him didn’t he second yeah did he bomb went up straight on him and hall went smacked him and there were about three or four people around him it’ been it’ been easy to make a mistake and he’ probably gone luck he can’t really do much about that

But he kept telling but he kept all of it and talk the H well it is the biggest compliment we can pay here I know it’s only one game but he does look like the potential Super League player already you kind of mentioned that should Miller get injured God forbid or have illness

Again would you be happy if edel starting absolutely yeah you agree with that just adding to that generational Talent thing we talking about we’ve been biging up this group of players you need to put some stats together for all these how many have we got now well we’ve got

A whole we’ve got a whole back line pretty much so now we’ve got edgel you’ve got Jack Smith and um ma Simpson um n MCC Ma and one wi then you’ve got Jackson Field and Fergus McCormack half backs um little Tom you got little Tom

So like we’ve got we’ve got a back line um we missing a prop we’re always missing about five fair that is true um have you got the stats for I do I’m going to have to I’m going to have to look this way because my laptop is currently powering the

Light um don’t look into the so I thought I’d look at some stats I kind of say right does that explain why we lost and the first one is penalties so yes next pretty simple we we conceded 11 penalties on the night KR only conceded three is that is as simple as that

Penalty penalties killed us specific players killed us which will but I think I think the penalty count was one reason look at post contact me 11 113 three is the lowest in the league so far obviously it’s only game one into round two um but 11 is the highest in the

League so far as well um post contact meters because we have got that now um KR had 684 we had 493 um again which tells bit of a measure um but there’s other things that make me sort of think actually now we were this game was winnable um HR made

As many eras as we did which was 11 a piece um we had a set completion rate of 87% to KR 79% 78% 87% matches sford uh yeah we’ve had 87 completion two games in a row we didn’t really try much did we P that one now um but yeah a couple

Of things like that it’s same sort of um met same sort of tackles so in terms of like the team stats there wasn’t really a lot that told me a story um but switching over to the players um I’ll do the usual who got the most meters uh

Does know competition to who got the most meters guys Ash Ash again second game running right 191 this time 191 15 last week 175 last week oh wow no 15 with um Alki yeah um I miss him next one down was cam Smith uh and that was the only other player to make

Over a 100 um tackle wise um we had Andy akas with 62 tackles on the night uh cam Smith had 53 and the peach of this number is that he didn’t miss one tackle 53 attempts at tackling 53 tackles tackles is is just unbelievable it is unbelievable I thought that never

Happened before but I’ve gone through 2023 and I found three or four okay so re this is one of those things where you should have said that’s never happened before and everyone would have believed you I know I know they would have believed meon I’m I’m too honest for

That um in love I look at the errors um three players made two errors a piece which was Andy akas uh Bentley and edel I don’t remember aka’s making an error at all I don’t really recall it either but at KR you currently ever seen you

Can only even see half the game at KR cuz so you’re so far from the end of the pitch that you can’t see it all but then from a eror penalties perspective Bentley had three of them and uh Cameron Smith and donno had two each we um we

Have to talk about I kind of feel like this is the start now where we get our teeth into it now um the pitch was diabolical is that completely unacceptable not just for Super League not just for rugby league but for Pro Sport no I think you’re going to get

Them you think you’re going to get one that bad I think we’ve got to better in how you deal with it oh dun come on just got you in video for the first time no no no no like genuinely my thought no my thoughts behind it were I

Felt we play the pitch they were never going to have like us on a dry track will be a different animal and we’ll blow teams apart we’ll absolutely murder teams our next step to taking us where we want to be is beating teams on pitches like that when it’s raining when

It’s crap weather we had an 87% completion rate but in the key moments of the game made Daft erors and handed the momentum back to KR last 10 minutes of the first half first 10 minutes of the second half we killed ourselves periods where we just completely the pitches are feel the same

For both sides yeah I know K might have it more useful useful more experience playing on that pitch or a pitch like that but it’s the same for two two two teams the other stat that I forgot to mention was plays in the opposition 20 M

KR had 44 and we had 25 which shows you the territory that we lost yeah and that whether you can’t you can’t blame that on the pitch either the pitch wasn’t great Newman went down at one point and rolled his ankle and we were all crapping ourselves in Stand cuz thought

Here we go again and that you know I’m surprised that there was no injuries on that pitch I was astounded yeah yeah it’ have been that’s where it’s not right when someone could have a serious injury someone blows the knee my opinion might have changed if

Someone had been bro CR B on his knee yeah well I’m glad let’s not go there I’m glad you said that post game that out out yeah I would amaz that no one got injured um James Donaldson the the card the the decision High shot on gild 39th minute it w it

Was 86 to K at halftime the on The Donaldson Shaw have you seen it back cuz you obviously went to the game have you seen it since so what did you make of it at the game I couldn’t see anything cuz the screen’s so far away and it usually

I didn’t have my glasses on so I have gone back there’s a swinging arm in there is’t there I I I’m saying nothing until you’ve said red or yellow definitely a yellow red I think in the new new rules I think donno is a tad lucky cuz it does

Look like that right arm isn’t it looks forse it looks swinging and I think I think he’s quite lucky immediately when it happen I said red card me too I was I was astounded that they didn’t give a red card me too it was worse than bry’s on Cross last

Week yeah and that’s the measure that I used um cuz Bry he didn’t he didn’t swing he was in that he was in that poted position but donno clearly it wasn’t a glancing blow as well there was force behind it and they talk about Force full Reckless contact with the

Head he didn’t miss he ticked all the boxes of red card and got a yellow card so and it’s one of those where even as leads fans were pretty much did you say we red I think he was lucky it could have been red we saying it’s red yeah if

You’re a KR fan you’re absolutely screaming in the ground at the they’re anyway so it doesn’t I mean I know we’re known as wios but Christ alive there and if that’s a k player to James Donaldson oh yeah we’re all sitt here saying the same

Thing so I think it’s fair to say that is a red um we’re very looky to get away with that he is going to get a ban do we agree with that yep yeah how long oh right sorry it it works out for us um well Bry got Bry got one but then

That got rescinded didn’t it because the rfl just it’s got to it’s got to be two or three going be two it’s two I don’t know what Donna’s previous is he’s quite think he’s had a I don’t had a Sim or anything he didn’t this is what annoyed

Me right he’s nor he should be telling us he a stats man yeah I’m not the disciplined man but normally like it’s normally Don it doesn’t count ready it’s normally Dono getting whacked in the head isn’t it and like yeah but he stopped doing that I I feel like this is

Like retribution for all the penalties that he he did get it’s now going to be punishment on that side but I think it’s minimum too yeah I’d agree agreed um and then the amazing second week running second round Ash Hanley try you mean the ash Handley try the season competition

Yeah that is this is clearly just a standard now that Ash is putting forward for the rest of the year before we jump into it there’s been the try last week at Salford the try this two Wonder tries would you say that’s two wonder you agree ree yeah two

Wonder tries you ran a poll earlier I did at statman Reese on X because Twitter don’t exist anymore Reese um you ran a poll the questions were question was which is better from round one in in Salford obviously the length of the field one not he’s other one he scor um

And the one uh last night at KR before you give the results of that what was your favorite I think the KR one to be honest and I think because I think Hanley has more to do in the sford one himself cuz he has to beat

About three or four players he still has to beat probably two players at KR but the the kick is sorry cover your ear Harry Harry now [ __ ] Sublime that is absolutely on the money is that kick and the the audacity the size of the your

Own ball to do that on our own 20 M line when we’re when we’re losing on that pitch it was on second second tackle I think for me I would get I would vote H KR which one’s your favorite i’ V I’d vote KR just for bit different to reace

I thought he had more to do just because of the sh just because of the [ __ ] pitch how many play how many players lost the feet and I thought when he was going to I was screaming for him to pass the ball mhm cuz I thought as soon as he was

Going to go to step that was it he was going to right dmy there W it yeah yeah well I think as well cuz Paul movi that runs with him great Center player cuz he runs with him he could have left him he run with him so hiu thinks right he’s

Going to that goes under the radar in that for both of these tries MOSI is running alongside and is making Defenders make a decision he could have and movi could have scored the ashy second try yeah last week when he left it he left he is quite clear we did say

That mosu and me asley would scor more tries probably more from direct assist than he is from just running alongside him but um and for both of these tries as well if you’ve noticed it’s m rovski that’s been on the wing and Ash has been

One so this is clearly a plan on early tackles in 203 in our own 2013 me if the space is there that’s clearly a plan to did you hear Ash after sulfa game cuz he was talking to Sky and he was saying they’ve targeted a lot of player one and

Player two when they feel they can attack more um and two weeks on the try Squad tries on players one and two I’m expecting one every week I know we J last week about well you know press John has got to do it again they’ve done it

Again I’m like you you’ve put even more pressure on now like what you going to do next cat wheeel the the thing is with scoring tries on early players as well and from Deep it’s going to force other teams to think are they going to go for

Hang on a minute we can’t just condense the defense and blanket it like every team does because we’ve done it twice in two weeks so it puts doubt in their mind as well even if we aren’t going to do one of them come from two big passes and

The other one’s come from a kick yeah so you’re going like well do we spread the field now or it’s yeah so yeah I think it’s fantastic but when it comes to the poll you which one was your favorite KR KR clearly no one agrees with us really it must be close

53% voted the try at sford 53% are wrong and 47% that’s 27 votes so that’s still a good rock of people I think I think the K one obviously bro Croft put the beautiful kick across and it w a Wonder try but we’ve seen this before with

Blake Austin he has tried this how dare you mention Tri sorry the [ __ ] Austin so that’s making me think it’s a Rowan Smith play well he said at the end in his interview he said um he had to almost convince Croft to do it because Crofts obvious went to bed early cuz we

Lost cr’s obviously not used to like well which teams do it there’s not many that that do that um and he said yeah he had to take some convincing to do it and he text his that off to him that the first time he’s tried it in a game was

Absolutely on the money yeah that is literally absolutely on the dot of where you needed it to be didn’t even need to move did he it just landed so would you be happy for Leeds to keep trying this kind of attacking from Deep even if it doesn’t come off well I don’t think

You’ve got to take the off with the smooth aren exactly so would you be happy if they were trying it they’ve chosen three moments to do it one didn’t come off against sulfa but it wasn’t risky in terms it didn’t come off it was just a good tackle but one of them has

Obviously worked and then this has worked against KR I think the actual use of them has been pretty spot on so far it’s not always going to go like that um but would you be happy if I I’ve got it at the moment I think great I think it’s brilliant you

Know the F both of those moments are my favorite moments of the year so far as a fan because it’s it’s awesome to watch um but I do think as much as we can’t rely on just attacking from Deep all the time that we do need to have better structure

Than just passing a ball ins side in their 20 you know that’s the next that’s the next step for us we need to be someone that can strike from anywhere on the field at the moment I feel quite confident from a long range stupidly but

When we get 20 M out I’m like I’m not really sure we’re going to score it should we see more from Croft aers how what who should we see more from in that final 20 to kind of kind of break cuz we’ve got loads now last year we had

Nothing we’re going to swear but now we’ve got I know we didn’t have Miller but we’ve got Miller fry coft movi got loads of it’s their job I would put should it be one or two of theirs to kind of say right we’re in this 20 now we need to

Just players doing the job and it and getting used to you’ve got to think it’s still only like the second game properly the team have been together so like I felt last night it was still a little bit I hate the word but it was still a little bit clunky in terms of

Like forwards not necessarily being in the right spot and in the right lines whereas when we got it right Bentley poked his head through managed to get an offload of away to Croft who dropped Newman back underneath and he scores in um but I think I I actually felt we

Controlled the game really well first 20 and we looked like we were going to score when we got down there um I do actually think a couple of times cross made the wrong decision in their half kicking early in the tackle count uh sorry in the 20 um but I agree with ree

I think we’ve got to that’s like the next step now yeah we’ve nailed the tries from Deep we’ve now got to when we get in the 20 it’s about keeping compos KR did it in the second half with with to us didn’t they kept getting a repeat

Set kept not panicking dropping the ball in behind yes they got a lucky try from luy oh my God that was the flest [ __ ] try but he’s I think I think the thing for me is like you talking about clunkiness they’ve been playing with Miller joining that back line and edel

Really I don’t really see edel doing that but again Ed edel’s got time to learn how to join the line at the right time whereas Miller we started to see Miller join the the line at the right time and I think we lost a bit of that

And I think that role it’s something that Myer always played pretty well to be fair when he did yeah he did um and I think we missed a bit of that last night but it will come like I said last night look let’s not panic it’s round two

Against a good team at a very hard place to win not many people go to that stadium and win Duncan said it earlier we are going to hammer some sides this year oh yeah absolutely and I mean 60 70 we’ll put at least 70 on two teams this

Year easy soon as it gets dry as soon as maybe not even I know the pitch was absolutely appalling but it’s so early not just for edil but for this whole side they will click and they will destroy too good not to yeah exactly they will destroy genuinely the players

Are too good not to click in that especially in the spine like AA it’s more akas getting used to frolly as well M cuz you can see his goto when we when we’re attacking is where’s Croft yeah where’s my boy but that’s just that’s just that’s just their understanding

Though is it and that’s where you want fry to start I think we get kind of excited over folley whereas I was very critical of the signing me too hold my hands up um I didn’t think he was going to add anything um me too but I did say if they

Added if they added a six at the side of him it depends what the pairing is like it will be a good pairing I still don’t think think we’ve seen the best of folley um I’d argue we haven’t seen the best of Croft yet either no no no I

Agree which is scary right I think I think a lot of our is going to the backs are going to come into it more when the pack has a decent game yeah I don’t think we’ve seen that yet from the forwards so we know that relationship of

Crackers works but we need to see crawling yeah the midweek party isn’t it I can’t I just I just fell into that chop in the midweek it were perfect it would a slip of the tongue but yeah the crawly yeah I just said fro the craw I’ve just said the

Craw it’s just I don’t know why I can’t those two names together um but dun makes a good point we do need to see AKA kind of look for yeah he does and and and that’s that’s the same thing crawler crawler that’s the same you know it’s same for Looking For Cami

As well um you know Cammy still got such a s this year exactly so it’s I think people just need to look it’s not we don’t want to we don’t turn up to a game not minding losing like we want to win of course but let’s put into Contex

Round two against a good team a very difficult place to play that think things will take time to click but I don’t think it’ll take I’m not saying months it’ll be rounds and I’m say next two yeah leads by 60 but I think Duncan hits an NA head and we I

Said in the midweek pod it does you have to give those halfbacks a platform to flourish and at the moment we’re not quite seeing well the other thing is there no props they no one well we just don’t pick him yeah we had one one extra that

He didn’t that they didn’t pick we’ve mentioned Akers there it was the first game again it’s it’s so early in the season but it’s it’s going to happen it was the first game we saw Jared and Akers yeah on the field at the same time

And Cam and and Camy do you think that’s dun do you think that’s that do you think it’s either or or do you think it’s so early it’s hard to no I think I don’t see anything wrong with it I think them three players you’ve mentioned have got a good rugby brain

Yeah and I think if you’ve got a good rugby brain it doesn’t really matter where you where you sort of playing like cam smithl have probably moved into move further forward into the into the front row o Conor at OK Conor at 13 we’re chasing the game at that point yeah so

You’ve got to throw some attacking weapons on there we didn’t have we didn’t have anyone that was really doing anything in the pack in terms of causing them problems MH so then we’ve got to start moving the ball I don’t I I’ve just looked at the prop I’ve just

Looked at the meters for the props actually and I think this comes under the cuz it was very confusing seeing Croft blood H aers and um I just tonight no I genuinely love it I’m not sarcastic I genuinely love it but have it was confusing I’m sorry I’m almost

On 10 waiting for you to do it again going to stop saying names just them and that just I’m really holding myself back from pissing just do just do Squad numbers oh yeah that’s so much better having 94 and 13 on the pitch was very confusing cuz

One guy was playing 9 and 13 one guy was playing nine and one guy was playing 13 like it it didn’t seem to work from that perspective and I know Jared will bring energy onto the pitch but we didn’t add any any size Did We There Was You Know

Look when like they you know obviously the son did but then he had a very different impact which we’re going to talk about but sang made 76 meters off seven carries so 11 me 11 me per carry I actually thought Sang’s first s which come back to you saying that the the

First 20 minutes we look good I thought Sang’s first D was brilliant it’s probably the best the better we’ve seen of him AG with that yeah definitely I thought look I’ve been quite critical of sangar as well never um but that’s only because he’s so such he’s such a big guy

He’s the biggest guy in the squad the biggest guy have you ever stood next to I I know I’ve not met him I know it wasn’t a media day or anything like that did you go to the media day he’s just he’s just taking a massive Swig of his jeice heroic

Swig but very professional drink did I the frustrating thing for me is when he it hits like the line and he just drops why do I what’s my saying Eddie those legs wants to see those legs puming and last night he won the he won the ground and he kept us

Going forward gamon’s very smart as well like I’d be interested to see what his I know 49 49 M of six carries to 8 meters per carry um after that donno 37 off nine and lone 3 me 35 off five who got three MERS of carry Donna 37 of nine so

Yeah let’s said in the better gamond played rather well he went off I don’t think he played the second half no soan says no injury I don’t remember him coming back on and I think there’s been a lot of people having a go at Rowan again it’s two

Rounds it’s going to happen it’s going to happen um but I do think he got the interchanges wrong massively very wrong massively and gamon is a prime example of that yeah he’s not the biggest guy ever but he still made 8 me per carry in first round one he was a def defensive

Machine and he adds energy um and then you’ve got another big 6 foot fre fall adding Leon Ruan who only plays seven minutes um when the game’s pretty much gone um so I think they they should have been on in the second half um at well it should have been on completely but

Earlier as well Rowan says no injury to gamond is that is that a worry that he just they should have just said he were injured yeah that’s I mean is is it wor that has just hooked him and then admitted that well he said he said something along line first of all but

How did you think gon did in the first half really well first first 20 first 20 we were the better that’s what makes it weird we were watching the game my whole emotion from last night was just frustration because we could have won that game if we’d have managed that game

Better through interchanges through May bit more about Squad selection at the start we beat that KR team and Rowan was saying it was the sin biddings that affected his interchanges but I I’m not sure that’s right in opinion the simins affected the game enormously massiv enormously crap at the RO last night

Like producer Chris said they only they scored twice when we had 12 men yeah yeah but look who got Sim it were two senior Lads yeah so we’re saying like oh are these youngsters good enough but again last night it wasn’t necessarily the youngsters that let us down

Donaldson should know better I mean the came on fourward pass Six again and then went off for a yellow card I think that was the wor like talk about combining errors yeah straight but we never got out that in that second half obviously knew and made the M or he lost his

Footing or made the mistake and the kick went out and we never really got out of that half for I think that kind of summed up what were to come when Newman went straight on his I was didn’t want to think that and then we got down there

And then we’ ConEd a penalty at The Rook straight away was like just and it was a same what was Anno was the same penalty if the ref’s could have pin you for it then you just Chang an ad Bentley was a nightmare who should have hooked him

Bentley Al that’s when ruin should have been coming on a cuz I thought Bentley was or gemond first or gemond yeah know Bentley was early 2022 Bentley last night yeah not late 22 Bentley that was early 22 Bentley which is the Bentley that I don’t want to see but that’s a

Frustration for me around Smith because as you’ll know from previous pods last year I’m not his biggest fan but I’ll give him you know we’ve the uh no we’ve look we’ve we’ve obviously backed him in the transfer market he’s got he’s got the team now there’s lit zero

Excuses so you’ve got to look at what makes how did we lose that game how do we get better in the big moments yesterday we made too many critical errors far too many errors so would you have gone would you have hooked Bentley yeah I would have hooked Bentley

Earlier for for gamand and then where does Ruan come in then instead of donno yeah I think you know someone that needs to add size and impact up the middle I think in a game where Ruan is exact size is it is it that obvious in a

Game where we were clearly lacking size because we’re missing aledi ruin should have played way more than hindsight for to talk about it is easy the ruin ones not that’s what we always do the ruin the ruin one’s not as big a deal to me as gamand So you you’re happy with ruin

No no I’m not happy but that’s not a bigger deal in terms of not getting gamon back on the field especially when you look at the stats from the first 20 how good we were M we were actually getting on the front four8 me good I

Mean we couldn’t even get we were making like how many times did folley kick from his 30 meter they were first halfway yeah 40 m halfway get out and our kick Chase in the second half was you’ve got to you’ve got to react to that you can’t

It’s no good coming out after and going oh the simbin messed it up well he’s more he’s not going to let you down with 12 men as well because he’s more athletic than like a sangara yeah um so yeah that’s probably someone like g m I

Was really happy when we signed him he but he’s I’m really pleased with what I’ve seen from him the amount of effort and work that he puts in which is weird why didn’t he play second half anyway enough about that drive me nuts um lone

Tim we mentioned him hero to zero her to zero 66 minute High shot on minchella we kind of discussed the the Dono bin in so I’ll start with Duncan on this one yellow red penalty nothing what how did you say it dunk six weeks time that’ll be a

Penalty as it stands now it’s a yellow card that’s my opinion on it I think it was I think it was more of a glancing blow and I think there’s got to be some sort of common sense cuz he looks like he rides up like again I’ve only seen

One rap out of it and does he it’s the Ang of coming in from the side and he’s putting his arm over and he’s sort of caught like the top like part of his cheekbone yeah and it’s a bit like well according to John Davidson apparently Mella ran said Mella dived which was

Absolutely rubbish well no but he said he said Rowan’s words were I think he milked it or something to that effect well he said that about the two but I didn’t didn’t think the milked it but I didn’t think it was yellow personally it’s it’s a yellow now

Because because the hot on head contact but in 6 weeks time when the video refs are told to chill out sit on the fingers not I don’t think I thought would have penalty best that is that’s the appropriate punishment is a yellow if there’s no com the annoying

Thing for me is there’s no way that that tackle from Lone and Harry Smith’s is the same punishment yeah yeah so we’re on about head knocks we won’t get into it cuz that’s about a three-hour podcast just on head but you know you’ve got to have some consistency and if you’re

Saying lone is is as bad as um Harry Smith then no not a chance no I thought it was a penalty I thought it to I had a KR fan behind me saying it’s not a yellow card no behind you yeah I think they’ve got like disabled

Sort of people that can go can go behind that on that top section um but equally he was going the game’s gone anyway so he was one of those anyway absolutely lovely bloke he was speaking really positive about both sides and stuff but yeah all these like high high shots go what

Happen in my day smack um we spoke about Donaldson getting a ban he’s not going to get a ban for this is he don’t I want to thought so I’d be disappointed if that’s the appropriate punishment he’s off for 10 minutes and ultimately it’s contributed us to his Los if we debating

Whether it’s a yellow card surely he’s not going to get a game ban as well yeah true um we were lacking in props aleski was injured so we’ve got Tom Nicholson won little Tom no game time for him mhm what what does he what does Tom

Nicholson have to do to get into this lead side that’s missing well my question back to you is if not now then when precisely and especially in a game where Rowan plays ruin they did a reace then for seven minutes yeah I think I think we’ve got if not now then when I

Think we’ve got uh he’s obviously wanting to be careful with him is he throw him in but then get him in with how edil played last night that’s why I’m hoping that right we’ve seen how edel’s gone that’s true a knock on effect now it could be a knock on effect

Where I think he’s got to be braver in team selection I think the good sides like a St Ellen a Wigan when they get injuries or suspensions like the Saints last year through thatan yes theery Wigan did it with inber you know they put these guys in in the correct POS

Position that’s what we need to start doing not going all right we’ve got 4 foot nothing James Donaldson there you go go shifting up Pro yeah yeah but my argument against this was that I Tom Nichols and won sorry little Tom’s far easier to do friend of the friend of the

P of course but little Tom he had already made the impact in the preseason he already showed he was good enough um so I I don’t I kind of disagree that Alf edel’s paved the way because I think little Tom has already pav the way he did have a knock though that didn’t

Get him into the first game yeah he did have a little knock and maybe maybe that’s one of the reasons that’s why he’s not played this round but that’s not we’ve not been told that he’s just not been in the 17 so we’re going off information that we’re given so I’ve

Been we’ve been told that he’s he’s not in the 17 he wasn’t even 18th man was he he was no no yeah Cory Johnson was 18th I think he’d have been 19th or whatever they do um but so we haven’t been told he’s injured so if he’s not injured I would expect

Was warming up last night with the team before the game so he should have he should have been playing he’s he’s a guy that added something up the middle we were saying start him I mean that’s how much confidence on the on the weekly round we were waxing lyrical yeah I I’m

I’m really confident in what his ability in terms of what what I saw in preseason I think he’s a great player and you know H Roy’s going to be back soon hopefully ly’s injur is not too too long he p a short injury so this this game felt like

The the window of opportunity that’s exactly how we built it up well the club have the club have just done the uh they’ve put something on today on social media about tickets and stuff and aled is the guy at the front yeah he is hopefully that means he’s playing if

Al pray God everyone cross your fingers that Mick does play it with or without aledi is there still space for little Tom in this yeah absolutely so you think he should make the Catalan side well Don going be banned so he’s missing so C play him at prop and H roids 5050

At the moment is near game after they’ve been aiming for the Catalan game I think haven’t they yeah um but again we the want to rush him back cuz he’s had no preseason no contact game after to be honest you know again so if not now when

You know I think he’s got to be given his opportunity um and if he doesn’t do it then fine Hy comes back in and he’s from injuring and you know that’s it and he goes on dra to Halifax so I think he’s too good to go on dra I don’t I don’t

Think he’s going to get anything out of playing Championship no so if there’s no he done that last year ke red about him yeah yeah if there’s noedy no little Tom no Donaldson sorry no no big Tom who do we play no big Tom who do we play Then

Little Tom gond ex exactly as we said g tom sang L yeah yeah as good as it gets I player ratings yep so as of last week um oh by the way jingle Josh is going to be doing some Jingles for us will jingle Josh is sticking now I like

That it’s good it works it feels a bit Christmasy though like you know jingle jingle bells thing no right have you cleared it with him does you like it Josh do you like me called Jingle J he lik the Tweet so I’m assuming he does um

Have been in we’ll find out um yeah so like last week we have asked everyone to rate the players out of 10 it has been cated throughout the season um but it’ll then form into who we are deciding uh the Fast Signs player of the match is uh

I will go through it in team order shout gentlemen when you are upset or agree I will run through these at a fairly moderate Pace um Alfie edel 7.2 agree agree agree Lewis Roberts 5.4 yeah dun prob zero I can see Duncans it’s all the falls in here um Harry Newman

6.4 yeah um movi 5.7 it’s Tad that I think that is I think that’s incredibly harsh I think people are expecting you I was talking to Josh actually about M MOSI I called him Mom it’s just easier no jingle Josh yeah jingle Josh I was talking to Jingle

Josh about him and people are just expecting him to score tries and I’m like I don’t how many did I say 35 tries this year yeah but that’s this is your fault then isn’t it you’re telling how many tries he’s going to score and he’s

Not he’ll set up more PR brov to blow his knee cuz every shut up shut up why did you bring it up um Ash Hanley 7.9 ow that’s low 86 really low 8.6 for me bro Croft 6.8 so he’s up from last week from the six um Matt froley

5.8 that’s yeah that’s about so Justin sang 6.2 I think that’s a bit low I think that’s low play quite andak 6.5 I think that’s low you two are going to be upset about this one gamon 5.9 no play it’s not his fault play one spell is it

For the half that’s probably reflected in it does reflect in this like the interchanges are always a bit lower except if they come on and score um Bentley 5.3 too High’s too high too high agreed yeah I give him a four I give him a three um re Martin 6.0 High uh cam

Smith 6.3 W James dson 4.3 hi way too high I gave him a one that’s a zero for me Jared 5.6 you gave him a one what was what was the one positive I did I’m assuming that’s how it works didn’t realize it was a

Zero I felt a bit harsh zero now that you’ve told him there’s a zero zero I know that’s a lie cuz I know he’s given four he told me earlier s 5.0 I think that’s higher that’s really high uh Leon ruin 4.9 4.9 for 7 minutes is pretty good it’s a bit

Harsh minutes um and Rowan Smith has Di from last week’s score of 6.3 I think he was to 4.7 I can understand that yeah I give him a warn I can understand that cuz he didn’t know there was Zero yeah I can understand that those are the player

Ratings thanks everybody for taking part in that those surveys are going to be out for every match review so keep an eye on uh Reese’s X at statman Reese so those were the player ratings but who was your man of the match Duncan as shley as easy as that yeah yeah stman

Ree he was was one of my two nominations for the player of the match um sponsored by Fast Signs y here you go there you go Andy um but I want to give it to Al edel um just because he comes in last hang on you’re the host anyway you

Decide you went against me last week James Donaldson G last week so did yeah because she chose re Martin and I chose um I chose Ash oh yeah g twice now in two weeks I do like it friend of the Pod actually yeah he is a friend

Of Alfa edel edel I agree yeah definitely player of the match alfha edgel Official lot pod player of the match anything else before we move on to our new section don’t forget about it this time section yes we won’t forget about it that’s coming up next

Well we’re back with the SD andb Chris’s conundrum Chris Corner Chris question of the we you messed it all straight away what do you mean it’s it’s the Chris conundrum I said that this week it’s not really conundrum that anyway Chris is back oh yeah producer Chris remember

This everyone’s got a nickname now by the way jingle Josh statman ree producer Chris we didn’t give dunan one did we Crawley crackers so we didn’t get Duncan one we’ll we’ll give him one don’t worry he might get one off the back of the um first time he been filmed yeah I thought

I thought it were really good it brilliant but as always thanks Duncan this section is where Chris comes up with a topic and we we he’s actually thought of a question this week I’ve been told you did last week didn’t you no so a question for question for us and

Me and you were just going to debate it we don’t know know what this question is and we genuinely do I tried to squeeze out AR ree but he doesn’t know it’s anyway here we go question question time right have a name for it question time politic right so it’s the world club

Challenge this weekend penrith easy see you next week everyone I’m off right so this is the question is it wrong that I want Wigan to lose and if it is wrong why is it wrong it’s not wrong see you next week see I’m of the opinion that I just

Don’t want the Australians to have any bragging rights at all but considering that wigan’s best players are Australian where’s the bragging rights I think is this an age thing we are older than Reese and and I’ve got Australian family as well so it’s and we were I don’t know about recent speak himself

But we were brought up probably Duncan as well to just cover your ears Harry just [ __ ] detest Wigan I I would want Wigan to win anything would you no ever that I think that’s part of it and I can remember going to what’s it called M Pine stadium smth

Is this a wig thing this any other English team thing well when I went to see penrith and Bradford I went to the macalpine yeah Bradford one did they hold it than McAlpine better ground bigger ground better than odds is it um and I wore I wore a a penris top did you

Yeah which what year the current year it were a bit of a retro one really cool old classic one and uh still got it no I don’t know where that’s gone either um and I pretended to be an Australian all way through speaking to people inid with the

Accent and it was such a bad accent you got to give us was it all right M well it was such a bad accent I’m surprised twe this is a weird y pretending to be and I went with loads of batford fans a lot of my mates for

Batford fans and they were just despairing but I just I don’t see it as a England versus Australia thing me because I do think I’m in the minority in that so I mean I asked you D you said he said qu is it just a wigging thing or

Was it Engish teams thing you so last year SE pen rff you were all on pen rff absolutely see I I I was so I turned it off in anger I wanted pen I wanted penri to win last year as well see and I’m I’m I feel

Like I’ve got piercing eyes from Duncan at the moment because I could just see him shaking his head in my peripheral vision but like I I am more the England versus Aussie thing I don’t know if it’s the year where I grew up in Duncan’s not

That much y than me either but dun’s 6 I’m going to contradict myself a bit when you go back and it was Wigan versus Brisbane all them years ago when Wigan were it was on top of the world a British side wasn’t it yeah maybe you know what I mean but

It’s not as if super leagues like it’s full of ozes I don’t see where the bragging rights are what what’s the bragging rights M the only thing where it kind of changes for me is like i’ said looks really upset with me upset I’m just I just don’t know what

To say back because I feel like I’m I’ve got eyes pacing at me no no no no no that’s the point is it’s a just just just get that jacket off get yourself on wig and pod yeah sure got a wig pod over there I mean I understand like you know

Saints put a video out didn’t this week about supporting wig I did something about it no way and that was a bit that’s too far it wasn’t like supporting but it was like it’s a big I’m not even that is awful yeah oh the I saw KR fans

Going that’s that’s why the hold Arby is the biggest R because they would never do that confir although I have seen a lot Saints fans on X trying to downplay it like it’s no nowhere near as tough as Saints and I’ve also seen a load of wing

Fans saying well pen rff didn’t care last year maybe it’s just because um ex we’re not involved and we haven’t been for a long time I’m just jealous incred I’ve never seen it as a you’ve got to support the Super League side never I I don’t

Know I think I just think for me I just think the NRL looks down on super league and pron rightly so it’s a better league is a better standard Aussie internationally looked down on the international game they want they want they want the international game to be

NRL and you know there’s there stupid stuff on that podcast this week about buying Super League or whatever I I almost see it as a d David Goliath thing I I want I want the littleit team to win and we are and super league is Domino but the the players and coaches don’t

See it like that I think they take it serious the players don’t think that superly is crap AP from Jay Clifford well he’s prick I mean that was more the thing about Hall wasn’t it saying that preseason Super League was robber is like well you’ve

Done one pre season with h FC so yeah let’s not blanket in the league with that but that that’s the sort of comment that annoys me and that’s the sort of The Minnow thing that I’m a bit like I I want the Super League team to win

Because I want Super League to put one up on the NRL fair enough but if wi can win they won’t win by the way but if they win shut up about it they exactly why would you want that race I don’t want that yeah I know s did but how how good

Did it make it last year when we went oh my oh my God playing current world champions we’re play that’s how it works the one thing that I do like every time they’re playing hfield at home every time there’s a there’s a Super League side

That plays an NRL side in these games I always want the NRL side to win but I can kind of contradict that because when whenever a British player goes to play out there even if it’s a wi player I really really want them to succeed yeah

I mean I’m not actively going to be sat there cheering for pen I will I I know you will be but can that pen [ __ ] I’m I but I do want them to win but I don’t know don’t it’s just I I think me and you will be in the minority although

I think Duncan I feel very much in the minority well but in this room but I don’t think you will be tell you what really this this goes out on YouTube it goes out on Spotify all that people listen in before the World Cup challenges which is tomorrow isn’t it it’s probably not

Going to go out even if even if it’s even if it’s not tomorrow or whatever just comment on it who who would you rather see win see what people say back because i’ be interesed to see if I am in the minority or not I feel very much in now

But it is and suppose if I throw a question is there an NRL team you wouldn’t want to see win if they were in the final or you just B about there’s te you hate or you never want to win I feel like Chris has got one on his mind no

Not really um I mean I I sport or sported West Tigers they’re never going to be in it again are so that’s that’s not going to happen is it spoon again um I don’t know I don’t I don’t actively dislike that many NRL teams because I’m

Not I don’t watch it that much anymore I used to watch it probably more than Super League um but I just change I I have a fondness for the Warriors simply because they’re not Australian yeah I like the Warriors so I’d love them to yeah I think you’d get more

There’d be more British people sporting Warriors if you were against W thing honest if if the warriors were playing in it I would want the Warriors to win if the warriors were playing in it and it was I potentially tried to go to that

Game I’d love to see would you do what I did and put a New Zealand accent ACC get some fish and chips he’s great accent accent Chris I think we’ll stick wither Chris for now I think he’s better at that what do to close the section off then because

We are trying to keep this section short um what do you think the result will be penrith 52 Wigan nil 52 nil I mean for anyone that’s not watched last year’s NRL Grand Final Nathan clear for 18 minutes just decided oh yeah I need to win this game

And just won the game single-handedly in like 18 minut He is genuinely second best player of all time who’s number one Danny McGuire we ain’t got a bell in here no we I need to bring oh bring the Bell yeah the bell I don’t think it’ll

Be that much of a white watch 48 no I think 34 18 yeah I think about 30 points to 12 I think on top of that as well I do genuinely think that penrith are do have last year on the back of the mind so I think they’re gonna really put the first

Team out put a clinic I also would like to say that everyone’s blowing smoke at wigan’s ass I don’t think they’ll be as good as everyone thinks this year I don’t do you not think the part of the it goes back to who I want to win again if Wigan do

Win I’m thinking thinking out loud now or we if we can lose sorry we’re not going to hear the end of it from Saints fans and we’ve only just got them to shut up because they didn’t win the final there annoying as Hull FC and H fans nobody cares guys yeah stop nobody

Cares no gives a [ __ ] that’s the perfect end did you say your prediction sorry 348 30 points to 12 to Wigan pen penrith oh right anything else no I think that’s it excellent thank you right thanks thanks to Duncan thanks to producer Chris thanks to statman reace we’ll be

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