A Deep Nuanced Discussion About the NBA 65 Game Rule | Tyrese Haliburton and JJ Redick

We are psyched to have Tyrese Haliburton, IN PERSON, for the first time ever on the Old Man and The Three. We talk about so much including the Giannis ball, the 65 game rule, The Indiana Pacers trading for Pascal Siakam and more. In this teaser clip, Tyrese and JJ go deep on the 65 game rule and why Tyrese called it “BS.”

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Let’s go there to Indie no we should go to the 65 games oh go yeah I like I like when the guest brings up a topic okay okay um so my question actually around this because you you have commented on this and you said it was a [ __ ] rule

I’m sure there’s been some backlash from different people about that but my comment about my question about this was was the General mindset about your first injury the first hamstring injury right because I’d talked to you about it right and I was like bro I’ve had a ton of

Hamstring injuries blah blah blah um wasn’t like giving you advice or anything I was just kind of providing context but did you feel like a sense of urgency to come back sooner than maybe yeah no question you did yeah what and then not not from like our medical staff

But or or for sure but like from like a $53 million incentive like even I’m trying to think of the games that I missed before that um in Boston I I got I got hurt right before he went to Boston I couldn’t play got like a charlie horse and if it would

Have been one extra day we had a back toback if it would have been a back toback I would have played and then I got like the flu in Miami and couldn’t play the next day like I was throwing up um so those are the three games I missed

And then once the minute I got hurt I think like you could see like I got carried off like I was really emotional because in that moment I was just thinking like damn it’s over you know what I mean like season’s probably over

I went to take a step with my leg and my leg didn’t really lift up like it didn’t really move so I think in that moment like any player like he would just kind of panic um but after that it was just like kind of and then the MRI was like

Good results like our medical staff like these are the best results we could possibly get like was it grade two it was grade one grade one it grade one grade one yeah um and so I’m just like how how can I get back as fast as possible what’s the right the right way

And then kind of after we traded for Pascal and I knew he was going to play in that Portland game and that was kind of the game that we were eyeing like it was either that game or I don’t remember who we played after that but it was like

That Portland game was where our eyes were on and as soon as the trade for Pascal went through I was kind of like damn not only is it the game of mine that’s the game I’m playing like if Pascal’s coming I want to be a part of

The first game like and the medical staff agreed like I was I felt good enough um and then after that like I played a certain amount of minutes and towards the end of the game I could feel my leg hurting like there was a play

Where Aaron went to flip the ball to me and I was going the other way and it went back court and when I bent to pick pick up the ball I was like oh this is not good um that night I like remember getting in the in the car going back to

Hotel and I like had to sit down and pick my leg up to put it in the car like I couldn’t really lift it and so I was like oh this is not good and then it just that’s when like I think a lot of frustration boiled over because it was like

I like I I thought I was ready to go for the Portland game and so did our medical staff everybody agreed um but I don’t think I if this was never the case I might have been like another week yeah maybe give it another game or

Two you know let me let me think more through this like let’s try to be 100% and even now with this whole I’ve had a minut restriction now for the last two weeks and it’s what’s your what’s your is it 25 it’s changed I mean it started

At 20 and then it’s ramped up and it’s been [ __ ] terrible like I’ve I hated it you know like I came back for the Boston game and they were kind of beat they were beating us pretty bad first half we we’re like a third quarter team we got

The game right back in the third and I was like oh I’m done like you know and that was very frustrating uh the New York game same thing we had the lead and I got pulled right as we were kind of running away in the third quarter then

They come back and win and then we tried to play the Kings game and they were like we’re not going to play you in the first quarter whyin came off the bench by rookie year like the flow of it was just weird and so I think I’ve just been

Been frustrated by it completely but I understand where the league is coming from listen at the day I’m a fan of basketball like everybody is we want the best players to play um but realistically like we talked about earlier there’s only a couple of us that

This is going to hurt that that this could hurt financially you know what I mean yeah well I guess there’s there’s two parts there so number one I think we can all agree the intent was good for sure and there’s naturally like I say this every time the NBA makes a new rule

Change about anything a new policy or whatever is like every time there’s a new salary cap thing I’m like love the intent there’s going to be unintended consequences with the new second apron there like I don’t I’m not smart enough to figure out what the unintended consequences are going to be

Three years from now but there will be some for sure whether that’s like a team trading a high draft pick because they want to keep their core together you know what I mean so they’re not up against second apron and then like 3 years later that draft picks becomes the

Number one pick and it’s a generational talent and 20 years from now we’re like oh that’s [ __ ] team but it’s like that the intent of the rule was for parity right so I I don’t know that there’s like a solution for getting guys

To play and I also I I I think the best question I have around this entire topic is if a team is willing to pay a player $260 million if the Indiana Pacers are willing to pay you this amount of money if the Minnesota Timberwolves are willing to pay the max for Anthony

Edwards do do we need this like one year this one year of like he’s got to make all NBA yeah tap it a Tatum too right that’s the part that I don’t like I If you want to incentivize contracts to Performance I’m okay with that but

Putting it all on one year doesn’t make a lot of sense to me yeah whereas like if you had signed a contract and it was like during the course of this contract if you make all NBA or even if you made it twice you have six years to do it

Right then you get the supermax uh I think that’s a better route right because you’re you’re G to be pressured into playing too soon with this games thing you’re going to in some ways I think guys you’re not I don’t think you’re in this situation but some

Guys are going to put more pressure on themselves uh and and maybe play differently yeah so I I think that’s the unintended consequence be Beyond just like trying play it’s it’s just the the rule itself around the supermax for this rookie extension I don’t personally like

Yeah and like you said at the end of the day you think these organizations don’t want to pay us this money like I understand for salary cap reasons but you don’t think that the Minnesota timberwol want to show we made the right pick at number one he’s a super max

Player or Charlotte Hornets we made the right pick lamelo’s a supermax or the Pacers trading for me or whatever the case may be like right the Pacers gave up an all-nba player to get you yeah exactly so that that that’s the biggest thing but like you said I mean the

Intent is correct and I don’t and I think people misconstrued my words to say like act like I don’t like oh I don’t care about fans like we don’t need to play like no I want to play 82 games if I if I can but I mean that’s just not

How the cookie crumbles right now do you feel like this is an issue that for guys around the league who this maybe doesn’t directly affect this year that they’re actively paying attention to well again I mean I don’t want to say like I think that you also

Understand like how I feel in the NBA and I’m not like here to I’m not going to say anything bad about the PA like the PA is amazing but I do think us as players you really you’re not really necessarily thinking about everybody you know what I mean you’re thinking about

How does it relate to you and like kind of your peers you know I I think kind of with that with like this year with the draft uh combine everybody has to submit their physicals now with this new rule like I’m not going to lie that would

Have screwed me if I had to submit all my physicals I was coming off a broken wrist I I didn’t give my physicals to Cleveland I didn’t give my physicals to Atlanta like I didn’t give my physicals to teams that I didn’t want to go to

Where like I understand the why a GM would want everybody’s physical because I don’t care like for me it was like you’re going to draft me you don’t even know if my wrist heals correctly you don’t know what my wrist looks like so then that’s a risk that you’re taking

And I understand why the NBA would be pushing for that but that’s kind of something for me that as and I I could have been a lot more involved with um the negot ation for the new CBA and like I’m just not that involved in the PA and don’t

Harrison Harrison would scream at me he screams at me all the time about it uh that you’re not that I’m not yeah yeah you seem like you seem like you’d be a good fit for it I think so you think so yeah I think I I think I would be but

I’m just maybe like as one of the nine vice presidents there’s so many vice presidents but I that’s just so like you said like I think sometimes as players we might think more of about ourselves than we do you know about the players coming in or

You know what I mean like it only affects this rule right here that we’re talking about 65 games it affects obviously guys like Joel with you know MVP but financially really only three or four guys a year this is this is not a push back on that but I think I’m

Looking at it because we know CJ and I think he’s a well-reasoned very thoughtful very intelligent person and it felt like and I curious if you felt this last year it felt like last year the the load management conversation really just hit a fever pitch and it when you’re actively doing

Something that is turning off your fans and making them angry I don’t think you really have a choice like if if if you are the product the league the game The Players the that’s the product right and the consumer is saying I really hate this part of your product you have to listen

To your consumer so you have to actively try to correct whatever is wrong with your product for sure 100% And and like you said earlier if this didn’t come down to which is why I’m saying I don’t like the rule yeah yeah that like first of all Le let’s let’s acknowledge this

The rule from my understanding was basically put into place because of Derrick Rose right where he won an MVP called the D he won an MVP in his third year right he he should have been paid more on par with his peers yeah right um the Rarity of that of a

Guy I’m sure I know it’s happened a handful of times it happens I’m not saying that there’s a lot of [ __ ] good players that are good by their third or fourth year the Rarity of it is is still it’s it’s a minuscule amount of

Guys I I I would think if a team says you’re our guy we want to pay you the supermax we’re going to invest in you and if you make the all-nba or whatever incentive they want to attach to it over the course of this contract while you’re

In our uniform you get the supermax yeah now if you say uh we’re GNA sign you to this $260 million deal and you have five years to make onba and two years into it you request a trade well that negates any chance to get the supermax right it

There’s got there’s got to be some give and take on both sides I just fundamentally don’t like this that it’s just based on one year and it’s your fourth year in the NBA and it’s now at the point where it’s not8 to 10 million over four years it’s

50 some dollar 50 some million dollars over five years are there any comps like this I’m just TR to thinking in general in sports you bring a thing that is just obviously you getting hurts completely out of your control versus requesting a trade or doing any sort of other thing

That you know we miss games because of be technicals or whatever it is like this is is it it just feels like a it feels like a first in a in an interesting way I agree with that and the other part of this and this is just

Coming from my seat now which is I vote on this stuff yeah so do 99 other people we’re all smart enough to like make these choices ourselves yeah we are if like last year no one played in enough games the MVPs played 63 64 and 66 games okay so you’re not going to

Give an advantage to anybody I’ve talked to some people who are like I did a 50 game cut off for all NBA I did a 58 last year was a little bit of anomaly like literally nobody played games there was like one guy and I think it was joic that played not it

Wasn’t yic I’m sorry it was one guy trying to think who it was that played over 70 games that I voted for for all NBA Julius Randle he’s the only guy so to me you’re taking some of like the power out of the people that are voting on this

Yeah and another unintended consequence and I guarantee this will happen is that some guy will make all NBA probably in the front Court Pro that because of games played you’re like ah that guy got a 13 M NBA interesting interesting and this [ __ ] played in 62 and he had an unbelievable season

This guy played in 68 and you’re like yeah interesting right interesting yeah yeah that’s we’re smart enough to figure this out on that way for sure