Will there be retribution in Red Wings & Canucks rematch? – Sekeres & Price LIVE – Feb. 15, 2024

It’s a Canucks game day, and we’re asking if there will be fireworks in the Red Wings and Canucks rematch from last week. Whether it’s the loss itself, the Ian Cole and Alex DeBrincat scrap, Jake Walman’s Griddy dance, or Nikita Zadorov’s hit on Lucas Raymond that resulted in a two-game suspension. Plus, we discuss Dakota Joshua missing the morning skate, and Phil Kessel hitting the ice in Abbotsford.

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S Harrison price for Thursday February 15th 2024 ComEd you from the go- go sports studio built by Arbor Lee here at the the iconic wall Center downtown Vancouver heading to a game why don’t you extend your game night make it a station book the secaron price rate here

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Vote at secaron price on Twitter and YouTube We asked this after the Nikita’s the door off hit on Lucas Raymond a two game suspension followed uh some fist to cuffs and fiery stuff after that hit in the hockey game and then Jake wman scoring and doing the

Gritty dance and we’re still waiting for the code to get back to us to let us know whether that is a great offense summary conviction you know summary Crown we’ll see um anyways could be spicy at Rogers Arena although I voted no because the Red Wings need the points

And more often than not these things are overblown anyways the my vote is no as well and now we have an additional reason why that is the case ever there’s a lack of personnel to exact any Vengeance so let’s get to today’s top story Dakota Joshua fresh off a career

Game against Chicago where he has three points and the Canucks first gor he how hatrick since Tanner Pearson will miss tonight’s game it’s an upper body injury fearto hand injury from the fight he got into with McKenzie ant whistle the end of the Blackhawks game on Tuesday sticking up for Connor

Garland uh Rick toet head coach of the Canucks confirming yes he does believe the injury was sustained during the fight Ilia MV will skate on that fantastic third line with Teddy Bluer and Connor Garland this get Neils Oman back up and centering the fourth line uh but what a terrible break and I

Hope I’m not using that word uh with a double on Tandra what a terrible break for Dakota Joshua who was having this marvelous season and was the best player on the ice Tuesday um to be missing this game yeah and you know he does so because Conor Garland is

Dumped in that Detroit game or that Chicago game pardon me and Joshua sticks up for his teammate Umar Garland said he owed him dinner after the game yeah owes them more than that now and in a vacuum it seems like a uh a really nice thing to do for a team

Teammate said send a message but if it ends up costing you games and and for the conu sake let’s hope it’s not plural if it’s a singular game uh or whatever you can probably get through a single game but my goodness this line has gone from good to Great to

Freaking outstanding here and this is really the last thing that Vancouver connect that line single-handedly won them the game versus the Chicago Blackhawks and the guy who gets his first career three-point game now has to sit because of hockey code of no got to go exact some measure on the other at

Least they have Conor Garland’s honor right or his back or and speaking of the Gordy how hatrick first from Tanner Pearson let’s hope the Canucks handled this hand injury better than Tanner Pearson’s oh gosh yeah I mean you got to be careful what you wish for here in today’s

National Hockey League I mean we ‘ve now sacrificed the quote unquote goon for guys who can play but also provide toughness like Dakota Joshua but the problem is when they can play you value their play you know you want them to play um Dakota joshu will be very handy in the

Playoffs because he can play a stiff game there’s no fighting in the playoffs there’s just stiff games so he’ll be perfect so you you know maybe just start to play your playoff hockey now and don’t get sidetracked by shenanigans that can injure key players when you need them the most big opportunity Ilia

Mcf who is in a dreadful slump how do you see him fitting on what has been a fabulous line with Bluer and Garland uh I mean he’s a pro he attends to details well so you know I I think he’ll be fine um chemistry is a funny thing though it’s a

Fickle thing you know what what you see on paper from Joshua Garland and bler doesn’t match what they are doing like on paper they shouldn’t be as good as they are but they they are as good as they are because it just works so MAV will be in tough to sort of replicate

That level of chemistry but he’s a good player and he’s got good instincts and you know he’s been a little bit snake bitten and of course battling has come back from from the knee surgery so he’s not as sprightly as he normally is hasn’t scored in 22 yeah it’s too long I

Mean this is that’s more than a quarter of the season so this is the opportunity that he absolutely has to take advantage of dig himself out of this funk because one of the questions I find myself wondering and you and Jeff were early on this I’ll

Give you credit I thought hey he’s in a bad slump he was a player of this Management Group specifically sought out and paid handsomely in free agency a year ago July uh but I still considered him as factoring into the big picture with the Vancouver Canucks I drew a distinction

Between his play Andre KZ mano’s play how it would driive with this head coach in the here and now and in the future now I’m wondering Blake do they have to upgrade MF by the deadline um well miss this is it upgrade at that position or is it using that cap

Space for the defense both well I don’t know if there’s enough cap space there to go around either yeah and it’s it’s quite possible it’s quite possible I I of course the other guy who could nip out of seals in his playing time would be Phil kessle which we’ll get to in a

Moment but yeah MF played 15 minutes actually almost 16 minutes against Chicago he played 13 minutes against Washington this coming out coming off N9 and a half minutes against Detroit that was a season low and you’ve seen him tumble down the line up here no longer playing

With Alias pson found himself on a fourth line uh did get an assist in that Detroit game and has nine shots in the five games through February here but this is an opportunity that I think Ilia MV has to because the other thing about MV is I think like kuzko

He has some value on the trade market like I think there are other teams out there that look at the size look at the speed and yeah it’s not all the way back look at a penalty killer and he’s not all that old and think this guy can play for us this guy

Can be a part of our program over the next few years so you’re getting to the point where you uh may watch the value drop out if he continues to struggle much uh much Beyond where we’re at now but I think the news is is too far and

Wide now despite the numbers being respectable the fact that if if he was still really fast and had these numbers I think you absolutely get interest but I think word is out he’s not fast anymore all these great metrics now that the NHL’s released yeah he appears on

None of the the top 100 speed sort of uh bursts right I mean word is out he’s not the fast to come back from the ACL so he potential Rehabilitation project but he might get it back but it’s not there now so I I think if you’re an acquiring team

You’re pretty pretty cautious about that all right let’s get on to Phil kessle here who incidentally is the uh does have an Iron Man streak going Phil to mentioned this yesterday 1,64 games for Kastle we talked about this with Frank cado that you look his hockey DB page all you see

Is 82 down the left hand column except for the interrupted years pandemic and otherwise and he played all those games as well I think he’s ready for that end though I think he knows that’s over well and it would seem like Phil Castle might still be a ways from Vancouver

Rick toet saying at Rogers Arena this morning he needs to go to abbottsford for quote a while there was video yesterday of him skating at Abby Center uh courtesy of CTV news he did not look particularly great he hasn’t played in 10 months here’s Jeff Patterson just watched a chunk of

The raw video of kessle from this morning yesterday morning in abbottford very much looked like veteran who’s been away from the game for a while not the finished product but some serious struggles didn’t do himself favors he like it looked like his pants weren’t fully done up per se so he looked a

Little bit wider than I think he maybe could have I I think most of that was just he was a little disheveled he was a little unkempt well he’s always disheveled and unemp isn’t that part of his charm what we talked about he’s kind of a throwback guy if you’re on on

YouTube looking at I mean that’s you know he’s not exactly done up there so he looks wider he looks puffier than I think he probably could have so he didn’t do himself any PR favors there but yeah I mean bent over a lot and hey given the time off and you know given

What we’ve seen from other players coming off coming back from injuries or pseudo retirements and and jumping back like this is normal the question is is it useful for the ks for them to monitor a guy like this for for a couple of weeks and certainly uh you know a uh an

AHL PTO or even an AHL contract in and of itself is a possibility before they actually pull the trigger on an NHL contract there’s no hurry I don’t know about that I uh I would think his agent is directing him to a place that intends

To send assign him to an NHL deal now talk get characterized it as a look this morning but I do think the Vancouver Ks are hopeful that Phil Castle looks good enough to sign to an NHL contract I in fact I wouldn’t even be surprised if they’re already at terms with Castle’s

Agent and are just waiting to see how he looks here this week but again I think they’re hopeful that he looks good enough to sign well of course well that’s why he’s there but I’m I’m saying to get him into a handful of AHL games there are there’s paperwork to do there

So we’ll see if that paperwork happens there’s two games at home versus Calgary for for the Abby connects this weekend so that lines up well doesn’t even have to leave the Lower Mainland which is attractive I’m sure for the NHL player um I’m sure in his Mind’s Eye he was

Thinking I’ll play those two games and I’ll be good to go but that’ll be up to KX management to decide if that is the case or if he needs to play more Darren Drager saying on overdrive yesterday that there’s three to four teams in the mix potentially that will want to sign

Him if the Canucks don’t want to and just for the people reading in too much to that clip it’s his first organized practice in a while here yeah and yeah if he looks like that in a week or so then okay there’s G to be issue but come

On first time back well more on his Fitness level in a second but first jpad writing for Canucks Army and got my new Canucks Army very nice BL thank you to our folks who sent me one um Jeff wonders where the fit is roster wise here with the club

Now who knows this Dakota Joshua inury if it’s serious might might solve all this but and Jeff’s wonders are you okay losing a dppi and Oman or a laugherty on waivers to make room for kessle um for me not aan um I think Oman factors as a a centerman

As a penalty killer as cheap labor for next year he’s under contract 825 I think both of those players are very useful depth in the playoffs yeah dji’s under contract next year too at 775 so who knows someone may take a crack on him much like the Canucks did laford is

A 1.1 million guy he’s a UFA to be but he can play center and he’s got wheels on a team that doesn’t have yeah and he’s a bigger guy so um for me if I have to make room well first of all you have to feel like

Hessle is an upgrade if you feel like hessle is an upgrade for me the guy I would risk losing is Phil D jappi even though he might be the best of that Trio in terms of playoff Style hockey the difference is is I mean You’ get pretty

Late on the waiver wire because I don’t think in like a like a team rebuilding a younger team I don’t think they’re picking them up I mean it could just be a body to get you to the Finish Line if you’re Chicago Blackhawk team or something like that but I don’t think

PDG at his age is going to be a huge guy in demand that would be my guess no I I wouldn’t think so either but all it takes is one lafy got some headlines this season so I you know I I I think that he would get claimed and NS

Aont at his age Laugh he went for something last year at the deadline with Toronto if you remember that deal with the leaf and his his goals at the start of the Season got him some notoriety so I I think he gets claimed and so does Oman this from former Vancouver Canucks

Executive Jonathan wall who tweeted last night I’m sure the story is out there somewhere but I remember watching players gut out the skating beep test the test is brutal and buckles many Elite athletes I overheard that the best ever at the test Phil Kastle he beat the test there were no more stages

Left yeah I mean this goes a little bit to what we talk about Frank Cado yesterday if you missed it I mean he’s he’s got a strange ability you know the story Frank told yesterday if you missed it folks was you know on summer vacation guys would be

Working out non-stop he’d go away for a few weeks to go to the beach he’d come back and he’d still be lifting stronger and better than than the other guys that were that never left the gym so I believe it was fishing not the beach if you look at his complexion that’s

Definitely a Fisher not a beach goer but the the story stands um now eventually that goes away speaking from that’s it you know there’s some athletes that just come out of the womb with natural strength or natural speed or gifts that just can’t really be explained they it’s not that necessarily

That they worked on them or anything like that but time waits for nobody oh it’s Father Time undefeated So eventually that metabolism that ability to bounce back eventually it disappears for us all um has Phil reached that hey I mean I mean mat sandine was a specimen in his time you remember what

That looked like God it looked like he had been showered by a fire hose after the first period as somebody who covered sundine during the height of his career um 10 years earlier eight years before his tour here with the Vancouver KS hardly recognized the right he looks so

Aged and and the good thing about it is Matt’s knew he wasn’t trying to fool anyone you remember how short those shifts were early in this Canucks tenure like 17 seconds only Nikita [ __ ] shorter ships than Matt sundine when he first got was like he went like oh

Here’s Big sundine over the boards he touched the four off side dots and get right on off the ice yeah ah passed it over to mats he dumped it in and went for a chain shift length 13 seconds it was comical we made comments on it it

Was yeah it was a lot of of fun um Jonathan leer macki conu Prospect and look one that I’m sure that other teams are asking for for the bigger name trades here in advance of deadline first round pick from a couple years ago World Junior MVP and he’s got his first multi-goal

Game in the Swedish league today including an absolutely dazzling goal and you know I read a a deeper dive on lecki here recently if I’m not mistaken with Scott wheeler on the athle from the athletic and talked about he’s more than a one-trick pony now that offensively

Prior to this season he was very much a you know shooter great shot scored a lot of goals from certain areas but now he’s getting a little more inside that he’s got a more Diversified game that he’s creating as much as scoring and uh we see some of that and

Plus the confidence you can tell is really coursing through the young man after a fantastic showing MVP at the world juniors that video we showed on the YouTube side courtesy of sport Canin what do you think you think he’s Untouchable as far as the Canucks are

Concerned or does all in mean all in and for the right deal leer macki I mean could be moved he’s done everything he needs to do to remain a top prospect for this team uh after a bit of a speed wobble post-draft of course um and yet when I watch some of those

Highlights he doesn’t look like Patrick Liona at that age I’ll I’ll say that well Li is a huge man like what are you talking about just like the like hey the goals are going in you can’t argue with it he is scoring from distance but I I

Don’t know that I want and again I’m judging from afar watching on Highlights very few score from distance in the NHL yeah like so if your if your question is can he be the rare distance scorer in the NHL the Hedge is no is he a is he a

Special goal scorer and I just don’t know I don’t know that based on the video that we have access to and and what we’ve seen at the world juniors and all that sort of stuff I don’t know that I’ve seen the again that doesn’t mean that’s the final definitive word but

Based on the information that I I don’t know that I’ve seen like a just a a special special thing you’d hate to lose it because again he’s still a top prospect not debating that in the least um but there there is still that level above there’s the Conor Bard level

That’s above and he’s he’s nowhere near that you know so for me if okay let me ask let me throw turn it around okay the 2025 first or lecki the 2025 first it’s further away yeah but wander electr macki I think I would want to keep we Lander

Yeah and again he’s not just because of the right shot profile of defenseman he’s a Sublime skater and he’s not projected as a number one defense no no so you got to you know maintain the the proper perspective there too but I agree he’s still the rarer commodity I think I

Would feel better about my ability to go out and replace goals yeah down the road than I would feel about replacing top four right shot minutes yeah right side minutes m to me he he strikes me as a guy that could be a little bit like besser like a goal scorer for sure

Um but not necessarily a guy that the speed isn’t dazzling here although he skates yeah like there’s just probably better inv best there’s not one jaw-dropping element necessarily to his game like his shots good his shots good but I don’t know if it’s I don’t know if

It’s a laser be I think I’d be I think I’m a little higher on the shot in some of the dangles than you are with them but I understand where you’re going and I I’m not down on him I’m just saying there are levels of excitement and and

Mine is yeah well and the other thing the reason we’re going through this exercise folks is you have to have a critical eye with your own guys you to make tough decision you have to make tough decision because there are some really difficult decisions that are going to affect not

Only the immediate future of the Vancouver conects but the near and long-term future of the Vancouver conects yeah and it is incumbent on Jim R for Patrick Alvine and their Fleet of Scouts and evaluators to have these sorts of discussions before trade deadline because you never know you

Could wake up on the morning of trade deadline and suddenly somebody is available who you didn’t think would be available you didn’t think you have a chance at who can improve your hockey team but the ask is Big yeah and the ask is Big because it’s a difference making player speaking

Of Jake gensel oh here’s why you get your business done early folks Jake gensel missed the final 12 minutes of the Penguins loss to the Florida Panthers on Wednesday night so you’re looking at potentially the premium player the premium Winger available on the trade deadline being hurt at this point upper body

Injury we’ll see where that goes but the Penguins with that loss continue to languish and you tell me whether you think they’re still in it there’s also a school of thought now that Pittsburgh may not want to sell off at the deadline just because San Jose owns their first round pick and they

Don’t want to go through the indignity of watching a potential Lottery winning Pick slide to the San Jose Sharks wouldn’t that be a story I mean it’s not going to be a top odds pick but it could slip into the lottery for sure give San Jose two cracks right

Anyways we’ll see where the G gensel injury last I saw he was off to be evaluated upper body injury I saw some pens Twitter explosions of okay it’s it’s over let’s sell off let’s liquidate oh for sure for sure I mean it’s it’s uh it’s pretty packed still in the Metro

But they are seventh of 18s the Pittsburgh Penguins are next to last in that competitive Metropolitan Division they do have games in hand on on everybody above them but it’s just it’s a sight to see to see Sydney Crosby’s Penguins seventh place in the division it’s a little lot I was

Explaining to my parents yesterday because I mean they follow hockey but not all that closely uh they asked me about Sydney Crosby and I said well there could be a really big decision coming down with Sydney Crosby but I go uh he hasn’t made it out of the first round in six years

They’re like really yeah that’s how long it’s been and I don’t get it from it has been a crashing I don’t get it from club and and I know people like there it’s this is this thought is always shot down he’s retiring as a penguin he’s retiring

As a penguin I personally from the player and Club perspective don’t understand it like I don’t think anybody begrudges the Bruins for Ray Bor playing in Colorado I I don’t think anybody begrudges the Bruins again for Bobby or playing in Chicago like would you begrudge the kucks for Hank and Danny playing

Elsewhere um given the the losing like given the losing that we saw like let’s say like two years previous to their no no no like if that would have catapulted if that would have catapulted the the Canucks rebuild further no I would it’s submitting to a competitive disadvantage because the alternative you

Trade the player and you get assets back that help you long term yeah I mean it’s now if you negotiate no trade Clauses no movement Clauses and the player says I don’t want to go anywhere yeah then I understand it that totally but I but then again from the

Players pers if you’re Sydney Crosby he’s who’s a very smart guy he knows he’s not winning a cup there not in the next I mean if he hangs on for five years four years maybe he can win and that’s in part because Rutherford sold the farm to keep that

Going so he knows that deep down Sydney Crosby knows that and some guys are okay just riding out in the sunset and sort of taking the minor victories can we make it to the playoffs again some guys are okay with that they’ve won the cup

But if you do if if the goal deep inside Sydney Crosby is to win one last cup before he retires it’s not happening there I’m going to invoke invoke the hey everybody can be traded way Gretzky was traded but I don’t mean the Edmonton La deal we’re both old enough to remember

Wayne Gretzky is a St Louis blue yeah for the playoff drive one year right that’s right he was he was a trade deadline F he was a trade deadline St Louis blue his wife Janet is from St Louis they were those god- awul unties with the red stripe r h was there yeah

And he was in St Louis for a minute and then he was off to Broadway to finish this soir four teams yeah for the Great One Number Nine as you mentioned two teams for uh number four Bobby or but Pittsburgh you know 66 was only a

Penguin and it’s a very American thing I think to try and hold on to the player for shouldn’t say it’s American it’s a very NHL thing to try and hold on to the player for the entirey of the career because it looks great in the back of

The hockey card but really for well and also because you have people who feel emotion and sentimentality towards the player player of that level but so it’s a community thing on top of but playing playing eight seasons and moving on is a little bit different than playing you

Know whatever it is 16 17 seasons in like the the the bond is not going anywhere you’ll still have the bond uh more on the trade deadline front some reporting from Michael Gallagher in Nashville I’ve heard that the UC Soros PR situation is a little more serious

Than quote just taking calls at this point Barry trots went on local r in Nashville and said quote me and Tom Fitzgerald talk all the time with go tending he always circles back and go and I go this is what we need if we do something like that I don’t need a go

Tender he does so bar trots new GM openly talking that one of his counterparts is calling on YY Soros wonder if that’s a violation of GM code yeah anyways we we knew new new GM remember two new GMS kind of well Fitz’s been there a while he’s been resigned uh

New Jersey sniff around Jacob markstrom and UC SOS meanwhile it sounds like Colorado is interested in Jake Allen the Montreal goal tender but of course that would be uh more Insurance than Frontline starter my question for you and we talked a little bit about this yesterday are we going to see two

Go tender trades like block Busters Saros and markstrom you don’t see those a lot at trade deadline Ryan Miller comes to mind way back when going from Buffalo again to St Louis but you don’t tend to see Frontline goal tenders Kevin Woodley thinks Shob markstrom should win

The Vasa this year based on clear side analytics and and the wor saves saes above expected and speaking of uh ESPN goal Ender Rankings today with Greg wasinski thatr dmco comes in third yeah behind vasileski and Conor heluk um I would love to go back in time and see

How many times a traded goalie at the deadline um makes a makes a notable difference Grady goalie guy Grady does anyone jump immediately to mind goal tender notable trade deadline acquisition and not like a December trade deadline okay I can’t think of too many because usually it’s a bit of a

Desperation move oh crap our guy isn’t good or oh crap guy just got injured and you kind of just settle I think more than anything I’m going back to Dwayne rollison going to the Oilers the’ 06 Stanley Cup was that a dead was that deadline was that a deadline move before

I can’t remember I mean in the month of February I’m fine with but just before then I don’t know Ryan Miller was but he did not play well in singl that did not work out no as I recall that’s sort of my feeling is that it does it rarely

Works out so yeah that’ll be interesting if if they flurry get traded from the Blackhawks well flurry again to the wild was late too wasn’t it yeah you’re stumping me yeah yeah so it’s it’s a little uncustomary and we hey we thought La was going to be in on some we thought

Maybe Edmonton was going to be in in something but with hu’s win last night I if you saw that stat too uh games above 900 save percentage so far this season Demco was number two behind huk on that list uh steuart Skinner was like number five on that list he’s ended up being

Something for the order so they’re off that list remember Ben Bishop went to the Kings from the lightning when they had vasileski yeah but I don’t even know if the Kings made the playoffs that year Ben Bishop could have been monster he he was a monster and he was amongst the top

Goalies in the league if he didn’t have injury issues he would have been great kid too he was always smiling in dressing rooms um he was on that St Louis team the that the kuu speed in 08 or 09 is this I want to say is the third goal T was yeah it

Was up and coming yeah that’s right um the deadest man walking in the National Hockey League is now dead metaphorically speaking of course yarmo kekal and fired as the general manager of the Columbus Blue Jackets everybody in the world knew this was coming knew this was coming because the

Blue Jackets have been putrid and he has had several opportunities to execute a plan and has failed bot the coaching thing this year too then he botched the Mike Babcock thing this year ownership put out a statement on the eve of the Season saying we’re not making changes

Now just because it’s the start of the Season which effectively told kekal you’re done it’s only a matter of time well John Davidson the president there in Columbus is going to handle GM duties alongside the staff internally for the moment but says they will look outside the building for kek Lan’s replacement

Darren Dreger is ALS already speculating that perhaps Jeff Gorton the Montreal Canadians president of hockey operations would reunite with Davidson they work together in New York with the Rangers saying that Gorton is a GM at heart and that Kent Hughes is doing a lot of the lifting in Montreal that’s the other

Thing we got to praise the Canucks for I mean because nothing has seeped out to suggest that Rutherford Alvine aren’t on the same page and that there are no Eagles e goes out of joint here right because I read that from Greer and I went I wonder if Gordon’s a little out

Of joint here maybe anyways the fact that yeah he’s even bringing it up you believe there’s some cles well and you know now because we’ve been spending a lot of time talking trade deadline and potential trades you may remember that Columbus was the very first team like a

Week or two into the season after yet another Dreadful start where we were talking about a sell off there Jack roslovic is the one UFA Andrew Peak Adam boquist on defense Elvis Mur lein has openly said I want to trade so you wonder whether John Davidson and this ad

Hoc GM by committee staff of his now finally gets to the business of making some of these trads and is there someone there for the Canucks oh boy because we’ve had that discussion several times this year there’s some depth players if they are nibbling around the edges I don’t think

There’s a uh any of the top four top six options that we’ve been talking about but around the edges perhaps okay let’s get to today’s menu Big Show has mentioned coming up uh welcome at falls on the podcast side we will talk to Patrick Johnson of the

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Great Patrick Johnson covers the conuts for the province and post media he joins us on Thursdays he’s covering the wrong connects this week though should be out in abbotford it’s true yeah where were you and Abby yesterday for Phil K listen I wasn’t he’s not talking oh we touched

A Nerf coming up firing did go no I talked to Jim Rutherford on the phone and got a very nice article I saw that I saw that so why don’t you take us through it what were the big hits well the usual question you wake up everybody

You know first of all ask PR Abby PR is there any chance he’s Phil’s talking to no and he’s not first of all not under contract so he can do what he wants second of all it’s AHL there’s no rules so even if you were under contract it’s

Up to them so it wasn’t happening so I’m like well how do I do the thing that nobody else is doing well let’s see if I can get the president on the the line and he’s always you know he’s proud of his team and he’s ready to set the tone

Of what’s going on and um so I thought about depth and what does Phil rep Phil kessle represents someone made a really good point to me this morning that you know as much as The Vibes are fun right like The Vibes of the Kastle story is

Fun but the reason why you even look at a player like this and this is why the depth question is there in general is is you Jeff tamini was in the top six in game seven in 2011 right like so if if if wor comes to worse and you have to

Fit somebody in on Alias Patterson’s Wing who do you want Phil kessle or lenus Carlson right like it’s those kinds of questions and you know the funny thing was that person mentioned this to me was that that was actually something that kind of came up in our

Discussion I didn’t really play into it too big maybe I should have made a reference in the story and hindsight but you know Rutherford said listen part of what you do when you’re looking at depth absolutely we look for depth right I’ve always done it because part of it is you

Game out like what if all the wh ifs you can imagine what if we have to replace this guy in the line how can we patch things together what if this person gets hurt who could actually fit in to a role over and above even what we have now you

Know what what would your lineup look like this and so you know that is why you look at a guy like Phil kessle like he’s like listen the guy’s won we need to see if he can play we don’t know if he can play and you know they’re very I

Think he was very honest about that I think they like they like the person but you know it’s he hasn’t played since game four round one last year um he wasn’t playing a ton he did play an entire season for Vegas though he is the

Reigning uh Iron Man man in the NHL uh but that’s the question is so if you’re looking for depth you know it’s not just it’s not just a case of you know do we need an number eight but could we pick up a guy who could slot in you know you

Look at that 2017 team Rutherford traded for Mark stright who played a bunch of games down the stretch and then played three games in the playoffs like you add guys because you are worried about the worst case scenario that’s the most like that that’s the most likely scenario for

Sure and that’s where I think most sane people went is there a nonzero chance though that he’s going to be brought in to replace somebody that will be traded to get depth for the for the defense core sure that’s possible I mean they have about right now as it stands they

Have about $2.6 million in cap space to work with and there’s some decent defenseman I mean like you look at a guy guys they know well like Chad we who’s obviously a pure depth guy in Pittsburgh and always been that he’d be cheap but Justin Schultz saying Seattle if Seattle

Decides they’re out of it um he’s on three million so you’d have to you know get some retention there but yeah like there there there are players above that Chris tanev that if the price for retention is too much to pay but if you can find a way to unload I don’t know

How you would do this at this point I don’t think there’s a whole lot they’re trying to get rid of on this roster at this point um but yeah there of course there’s a scenario if you get aggressive I don’t get the sense they’re going to be overly

Aggressive at that kind of move I do think the focus now is depth and that they’re going to find because in the end right now who’s the number eight it’s Mark fredman like he’s you know like had a nice season but you’d like to think

You can do better you can find a guy that’s got a little more experience a little more perhaps reliable a little more a little more to tooth to his game you know playoff hockey like fredman’s been fine but do you need a guy that can fill in if what happens if Nikita’s zor

Gets suspended again things like that you know how do you fill out your roster you love that Mark stright example huh yeah but it stands out to me I think three weeks running now boy sponsoring all right fine Ron hany right but like hany but like Ron hanesy was picked up

In 2016 and ends up becoming a key player for two seasons Trevor Dy like like these are the points right like he picked up guys who play and then he picked up guys who didn’t even end up playing for his team Justin sh was another one trivia for the two of you

You’re right Jeff tambellini played in game seven in 2011 two Wingers played in that game and had less ice time than Jeff tambellini who were they wow oh my goodness two Wingers for the ks Mason Raymond Mason Raymond because he got hurt was that

Game seven no no no no no played in game seven and played less than Jeff tambellini two Wingers Maxim LaPierre actually played less than Jeff tambellini in that game but he played down the middle right on the fourth line who were his Wingers God rafy Torres and no Torres was up

Line up Chris Higgins somehow no Chris was up lineup Victor oreskovich very good gr SAS good he was in game seven he played game seven he played five minutes and 46 seconds and then this next gentleman played 8 minutes and 19 seconds Alex baluk I don’t know no tough

Guy also cerebral Aaron volpatti no good good shout but I believe volpatti came later cereal think Scrabble think Tanner Glass tan Tanner Glass well done do you never tell you my Tanner Glass uh I no I Tanner glass’s now wife was a student teacher at a

Class I was subbing for like the next year I think or that spring anyway it was fun but once again that that that fact that that that factoid underscore dep in the importance of it and I mean I’m sure the fourth line and third line

Were better at you know game one of the playoffs that year but this bottom six is potentially a lot better than the bottom six of the 2011 team I I you know certainly better than oreskovich yeah tampellini um yeah you you mentioned TANF do you think they do their 20 25

First rounder for TANF you know I I was sitting there staring at the you know you look at that wonderful cat friendly page which has all the players and then it has all the picks across the top and I found myself looking at that

And I I I think if if I I feel like if they’re sitting there going Chris tanav I I think they think Chris Tanana is the kind of guy that would do exactly like would would take them to a Next Level right like I I think that’s the kind of

Trade they really want to make um if he is the guy and the alternatives are simply just not anything close um I I I think they probably would look long and hard at it I know they value they obviously recognize the value of a first round pick and a second round

Pick is massively bigger than third four five six seven right um now obviously trading away this year’s first round pick where you know it’s going to be like pick 30 as I’ve mentioned before um is a lot easier to stomach than the complete unknown that would be next year

Like what if they take a step back next year and we should we should like um we’ll see how they far they go in the playoffs right yeah the final four draft spots are set by the conference right but I’m still saying it’s high 20s right you’re going 26 or whatever if they

Finish if they finish first overall then um if they fall short of the Conference Final it comes in at pick what uh 28 so but yeah and so it kind of comes back yeah what happens if they fall back like they are clearly going all in like we

Know this so and and they know there is a lot of risk there’s a lot of contracts that they have of players who are not under contract for next year um not just leas petson but obviously mostly Alias pson and the roster next year is going

To look very different I mean even this year like you can take the lesson of what Rick tet’s lineup looked like when he started just over a year ago there are what 11 guys gone from that roster like they’ve turned over a lot of players now they haven’t turned a lot of

Players over at the top of the roster they’re probably going to have to do that for next year just because um but yeah like that that to me is the question and I saw a sitb back like that is the price if you if Chris tanv is so

Far over and above all the options in front of you and the price becomes next year’s first round like you may just have to bite that bullet because that’s a player I think that really does improve and it’s also keeping that player away from Edmonton right like

That’s part of the equation right that that goes into all of this it’s not just what you can do but it’s keeping other teams from doing stuff just before we leave kessle um is this in the bag that they’re gonna sign him or he if he doesn’t look good here like could they

Possibly just say thanks but no thanks Phil I mean I think as I’ve said before like there is he is a sort of a plan on C right like they they they are giving him a skate they’re having a look there are 31 other teams in the NHL

Whether he wanted to come only to Vancouver I don’t know but I don’t expect that’s the case I think the guy just wants to play so there are a lot of good teams in this league who said no he’s not up to it I mean the Stanley Cup

Winner in the end in the end said he wasn’t up to it there was a great interview by Luke Fox from sportset um during the playoffs during the S final where he wrote about Phil kessle the healthy scratch and it was all basically what a good culture guy he is but Bruce

C Cassidy was very honest he said listen I think Michael ladio and um William krey bring more to the table than Phil kessle does at this point and Phil kessle had played like I said 82 games that year they knew exactly what he was about and he’d been fine he but 36

Points or something like that right like he had not been a nothing player but at this point in his career he’s a fourth liner who’s going to help your power play out um who’s not going to you know you’re kind not the you know he’s not

What he was at all um even in 201617 he was a bit of you know he was playing with with Bonino and heglin right bit of in a soft minutes third line that did awesome one of the great third lines but had to be managed even then that’s seven

Years ago so no I don’t think this is locked in 100% I I think it’s highly likely it happens um but they’re in you know he’s got today he practiced yesterday obviously everyone I think seen the video by now um practiced today practiced tomorrow they’ve got a couple

Games this weekend against Calgary then they go to California next week you know I I I I might guess would be you know you you assign him to a PTO at sometime in the next week so he can play some games um you’ve got the deadline in

Three weeks um you want to you want to have him secured on your roster if you are going to sign him because you’re GNA have to wave him to stash him in the minors because I assume that’s GNA be part of the story but you sign him you

Sign him to an AHL deal first don’t you so that you can Playa well you need them on you need them on an NHL deal before the trade deadline right because yeah but right have some oh yeah yeah you have a little yeah you have some leeway

Right but you you know you have to have him on an NHL deal and on your your one of your 50 contracts by uh by March 8th right like that’s that’s the only thing that we’re like it’s just there’s a little risk for kessle to take an HL

Deal because then he’s potentially in purgatory with no chance to sign with another elsewhere HL team but I hear what you’re saying and it does HL PTO are a thing too so you do so I would think I was thinking um speaking of getting the or keeping the bands together I was

Thinking about this yesterday we asked on our poll question can they afford to keep that this great third line together for next season with Bluer and Joshua being being uface do you remember that one deadline where late blooming Alex spos had the screws put to him by

Management hey yeah we got a hell of a deal here for you or you can sign this fouryear $8 million $2 million perear contract and burough having never hit the jackpot yeah as a professional hockey player bit and it turned out to be maybe the Great Value contract in the

NHL time any chance they go to Joshua here before the deadline and see if uh he’s willing to to bite yeah I mean I think if he’s smart he’s sing out you know I’m going to see how things go in the summer like he’s he’s having a great year I I absolutely

I think the conu would be saying we would love to keep you around here’s what we’re thinking right now I mean they I I I don’t know how likely it is that he really would do that um I think he he likes it here he’s been he’s he’s

You know I I was saying to someone the other day like selfishly from media standpoint he’s been one of the good ones this year like he’s a really smart you can tell he’s comfortable he feels good obviously he’s playing great um yeah I think the cans the ks I hope are

Being realistic on this one because you don’t want to overpay for the person’s first good season and you know you don’t want to over that’s the lesson forever that this team you know the past the past management team never learned was don’t over don’t overpay for the guys you really like overpay you

Know don’t we shouldn’t overpay for anyone but pay for the things that actually are going to help you win and um those are the guys at the top of the lineup and guys Joshua do get squeezed so I could see it happening I’m not sure it would but you never

Know it’s uh it’s a lot to ask and he you know to term is going to matter to him as well so to Matt’s point if you overpay on term you might be able to keep the number down a little bit but you know has that third line changed

Your opinion and that was the genius of the fouryear deal withs right like sucker him in with the with the term a little bit has the sheer amazingness of this third line changed just the overall Outlook of them staying together for next year the three of them well it go

Back to the castle story right I mean in many ways Conor Garland’s kind of the Phil kessle of this line right like he’s the guy who’s driving the offense bino was a good two-way player Haggin good two two-way player I mean the the the way this has worked out I think a lot

About Patrick Alvine when he was telling us about Teddy bler last summer and oh I think this guy could score 15 goals I don’t think Teddy bler can score 15 goals but Teddy bler had a very strong two-way season better than I think we possibly expected he would um and I

Think a lot of that is Conor Garland I think Dakota Joshua really finding his way uh finding himself to the next step after the tough love from toet um there’s a lot in this line and it’s kept going and there’s not a lot in it a not

A lot about this line that tells you that it’s an illusion like I think this is kind of real they’re very good in terms of Puck possession obviously the the the the the the straightforward Straight Ahead game that Bluer and Joshua play with Garland doing all

These wild things with the pck I mean as I as I wrote a month or two ago like Joshua was saying you just really got to keep your stick on the ice with this guy um it is something I’m sure it is something to keep together because you

Found something there and that’s it’s a it’s a it’s something that is hard to find and God knows we’ve seen this team struggle over the last decade trying to find a proper third line not just a center but a proper third line um yeah yeah I think if you can keep this

Together absolutely but it is it is at the same time Conor Garland’s making a lot of money and that’s going to make it hard to devote much more money to this thir line that’s the other thing to think about is how are you how are you laying out your

Money obviously you know the cap goes up and Tyler Myers’s contracts coming off the books but there’s also the O bio going on there and you’re going to have to hopefully find a raise for leas Pon and Philip Ron’s obviously getting a big raise like like it’s not the priority

List is going to be that and then you’re going to see what’s left to deal with a guy like Dakota Joshua okay lastly do you anticipate answer or poll do you anticipate bad blood will there be Vengeance at Rogers Arena tonight real no no it wasn’t I mean I don’t

Obviously I wasn’t there um there weren’t many reporters there on Saturday to ask about what happened but I don’t it’s just if they had done something maybe but like I just it’s they want to win the game right like they they their Coach Rick toet will be

Telling them guys let’s win the game and let’s focus on how we play let’s forget about how they’re celebrating goals I think it’s that simple no there’s not going to be nothing tonight well of of course it could go the other way right like the Raymond hit hit you the hit

From sedor off on Raymond they might still be yeah yeah yeah yeah right if we’re talking about that sure I think there could be there could be something about that sure zidor of’s first game back but I don’t think that flipped them flipped them just like that are you

Covering this game Peach well no I mean sorry no no no no hold on tonight no because sorry everybody’s been talking the nonsense in Ottawa that’s what I thought you were asking about I okay sorry that’s what I thought the specific question was yeah sure there’s a door

Off absolutely but I sorry I thought you meant in terms of response to the postgame celebration I’m teasing I’m teasing it I I I we sort of meant that we also sort of me the hit on uh which was not a good one and it deserving but at some

Point the guy got suspended you know there was well yeah but that doesn’t always as we no the guy got suspended but my feelings are still hurt is yeah oh yeah that still happens sure hockey player feelings it’s a big thing they’re complicated they don’t manage them well

They bruise easily just talk about it gu I I don’t yeah I mean or sure I don’t you know they’re there very well could be something you know he’ll have to quote Raymond took a second hit in that game if I’m not mistaken poor guy was being ragal all right Peach

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