Dane Brugler thinks Bo Nix could go top 10???

Matthew Coller and Manny Hill talk about their impressions of Bo Nix and Michael Penix Jr. going into the Senior Bowl, which starts this week. Plus, was the Lions meltdown worse than any of the Vikings’ in the NFCC Game? And is Dan Campbell right that the Lions might not be back?

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Regulator Mount up we’re coming [Applause] A hey everybody welcome to another episode of purple Insider Matthew CER along with Manny Hill here on a Monday evening following Championship weekend of which we will definitely get to the Detroit Lions and I want to begin though Manny with Twitter also known as X to some

People not to me always will be Twitter no matter what they name it or what logo I gotta click to open it on my phone either way uh and it’s a disaster out there man social media oh man every day it’s bad but today it was especially bad

Because of the complete and utter nonsense involving the Detroit Lions and I can’t get over Dan Campbell of all people being attacked for being too analytical uh when really he was just doing what he always did but that’s not what stuck out to me on social media I

Expected that from kind of The Usual Suspects of look a thing didn’t go right that may have been analytical which again I didn’t really think it was but I’m gonna use this to say what I’ve wanted to say I don’t know maybe these people are still mad about saber metrics

Taking over baseball but an oasis in the desert of complete nonsense was a tweet from danne bugler linked to an article about the senior Bull and it says Senior Bowl storylines this week and we will have a correspondent in uh Alabama this week it says you can bet the bow Nicks

Buzz will grow and in parenthesis maybe into the top 10 huh what top 10 Dane Dane bugler top 10 for B Knicks why is it every time I think I came up with something that then everybody else figures it out I thought I came up with hey maybe B Knicks would

Be a good idea for the Vikings just like Anthony Richardson last year I was like hey this guy and then he ends up going fourth overall uh he writes in the article Manny that Michael penx is all over the map when it comes to uh analysts Scouts and and what they think

Of penx but that there’s a possibility that if B knck has a really good week that he could be propelled up into the top 10 with so much interest for those top three quarterbacks give me your reaction about this new bow Nicks Buzz I can’t say I’m super surprised because

It always feels like they the when when every year in the draft leading up to the draft there’s always like one quarterback that you know somebody falls in love with tweets it out writes an article about it and all of a sudden there the projections of that guy he’s

GNA Skyrocket and sometimes it happens other times it’s all Just Smokes screen stuff um and then the guy ends up up getting taken in like the second round or something like that we’ve kind of seen that we kind of saw it with Will Levis last year where there was kind of

This will Levis hype train going up and people were thinking oh he might get taken in the top five and then he was a second round pick um so I’m not surprised by it I you and I I think we kind of share a similar opinion on bone

Knicks we both like him and there there’s a lot to like in his game um with his a athleticism he’s got a pretty good arm good leader has all the intang things that you would want in a Young quarterback um yeah I mean it’s it’s interesting we’ll we’ll see how it

Really uh will how it will play out I mean there are teams in the top 10 that are outside of the top five that you might think hey that team might take a quarterback you never know I mean you know somebody like the New York Giants

Comes to mind I mean that’s kind of a weird situation that they’re in with the Daniel Jones contract you know they want to stick it out another year with him who knows I think that would be kind of a bad idea because I don’t think Daniel

Jones is very good um so I mean that’s a team that might just say hey you know what let’s just try with another guy we know we’ve got sort of this Albatross contract with Daniel Jones you know we’re not picking in the top five we’re

Not g to get one of those top three guys but you know what we want to take another guy and pivot and go in a different direction let’s just take B Knicks here what the hell um so it’ll be interesting to see if something like that happens um and you know the Vikings

Are going to have to obviously pay a lot of attention to this because they might end up being in a situation where they want to take a guy and that guy might not be there and they might have to do some maneuvering maybe trading up if they really want a guy uh

At in a certain spot it’ll be interesting to see what happens though there is too many teams ahead of the Vikings that need quarterbacks yep so if Bo Nicks walks out of the Senior Bowl being considered a top 10 draft pick he’s gonna get taken I mean as you said

Like the New York Giants have a great argument for taking a quarterback develop developing him for a year or just getting rid of Daniel Jones I mean they might just have to eat that contract or whatever they have to do but I I don’t know how you can run Daniel

Jones out there with Brian dable is the only option maybe there’s like a quarterback competition or something like that in training camp uh Atlanta is another one where I mean what’s rahee Morris want to do there does he want to go out and get kurir cousins or does he

Want to draft his own guy and put his own guy in with all those weapons and build it all together over years Raheem Morris you could see more of a longterm approach than if it was Bill bich and Bill bich is 147 years old and uh you

Know Mr Burns there is on his last leg so he’s trying to just pick up you know veteran quarterback to win right now well rahee Morris doesn’t have to look at it that way they could look at it as much more of a complete uh type of build

Now I was thinking about B Knicks as I was watching H Brock perie for the San Francisco 49ers because now they’re opposite in the fact that Bo Nicks is humongus and Brock pie is not and bonick throws the football very hard Brock pie does not and there is something similar though

Which is they both can move and they both can make play is well on the move I was looking at this right now that bonick only ran for 256 yards this year but last year he ran for 59 yards and 14 touchdowns last season that’s pretty good I mean and just watching the

Playoffs overall of course you know Jared gof is never going to be a quarterback that moves and he certainly played well enough to win that game uh he wasn’t a part of a ball bouncing off a guy’s face mask or the jir Gibbs fumble or any other the calamities in

Fact uh it wasn’t even maybe the worst drop from Josh Reynolds because after San Francisco tied the game he throws a perfect pass on third down to Josh Reynolds and it hits him right in the body and bounces off him uh so I thought that you know G played well enough to

Have his team in the Super Bowl and isn’t a playmaker but everybody else was I mean Lamar Jackson obviously and Patrick Mahomes you don’t necessarily need to be Jackson where you have to run for a thousand yards per year but the playmaking when things go wrong being

Able to find a way I mean that long 16-play touchdown drive by the Chiefs is Patrick Mahomes scrambles Patrick Mahomes scrambles he makes a little bit of a play and I really like that about Nick’s game I I’ve started to sit down and watch b knck a lot more considering

That there is this buzz and there’s sort of a Feeling by some people that Michael pennock’s uh issues with the health and ACLS and so forth are going to make him drop and also his lack of playmaking makes me a little more sketchy about picking him I guess I wasn’t as

Concerned because he’s got a cannon but as I’m watching Brock pie it’s like stuff goes wrong or he doesn’t see where he’s supposed to go with the football and runs for 20 yards I I I kind of want that in my life Manny we got it for

About this long with with h Josh dobs for like two weeks we got a little bit of what it’s like to have a play breakdown and a guy make a play so I am extremely curious to see what B knck does this week and what the buzz is that

Comes out about him uh because I’m kind of feeling more and more somebody who can scramble and make plays off schedule yeah and Bo Nicks has had you know a really interesting journey in his collegiate career he started out at at Auburn there were a lot of high

Expectations for him um things didn’t go quite as well you know Auburn made a coaching change um you know I remember he played in the um in the Outback Bowl back then it was known as a different name for the bowl game now uh against the Gophers in after the 2019 season and

Um you know and he showed some signs of being pretty good made some mistakes in that game as well and then they like fired Gus malan after that and paid him like $21 million to go away Auburn did um so bonick kind of went through a a

Coaching change and then just kind of realized Auburn wasn’t the right spot for him and then he transferred to Oregon a program that you know has been a little bit more um I think Progressive offensively you know in terms of just historically with Chip Kelly and Mark

Helrick and some of those other guys in the past and um you know he just fit in with that with that culture up there perfectly and Dan lenning the head coach out there did a great job and they had a great season this year they only lost to

Washington they lost to Washington twice you know he lost to Michael penck twice otherwise they really kind of obliterated everybody else and Bone Nick was um was excellent I mean he just played really well um this year and so I think I think it shows a lot of

Character with him I think to go through the stuff he went through at Auburn to to have high expectations things not really work out change you know have a change of scenery and and and find his way and find the the right spot for him um and and just to show the leadership

Qualities I think was was really impressive and you know I think that’s something that I think can carry over into the NFL and he’s got the physical tools I mean he can run he’s a good athlete the arm is there um you know I think it’s just a matter of him getting

In the right situation with smart offensive coaches get him some weapons early on and you know he’s he’s an older guy you know he’s not a you know he’s not like 20 21 years old with no experience I think in fact I’m not mistaken he started more games than

Anybody else in the history of college football so he’s got a lot of experience playing a lot of football over the last four or five years and I think that can bode well for him it seems like he can be a guy and you never know with these

Guys but I think with all the playing experience that he’s had he seems like a guy that I won’t guarantee this but what I be surprised if he stepped in right away as a rookie and had a lot of success I wouldn’t be because he’s played a lot of

Football he’s got a good head on his shoulders and you know I think he’s got a chance he’s got enough physical tools I think to be really successful in the NFL thrown almost 2,000 passes as a college quarterback which is a lot of experience and time to develop for sure

Uh and you know uh Scott in the comment section says b reminds me of fields he panics often now I can’t really find that in the numbers though that’s the thing is he was one of the quickest from snap to release which did involve a lot of passes behind the line of scrimmage

But also he graded a 95 by PFF when throwing it over 10 yards he was the highest graded quarterback under pressure and was one of the best only next to Michael penck at avoiding sacks and so I also think when we’re trying to evaluate a guy can he read defenses

Sometimes I’ll see that I’m like what the NFL doesn’t even know who can read defenses when they Scout them much less you or me sitting there watching his highlights on YouTube I mean you really don’t ever know uh whether somebody is going to be able to step in or not it

Looks like we’ve got our weekly Manny head Frozen kind of froze with a nice little grin this time though usually he looks at me very skeptically when he freezes but not this time uh so we’ll get Manny back in a second oh wait he’s back there you go back you unfroze yeah

Good for you there you’re good you’re good so uh anyway I I think that when you look at the data he has the strongest numbers of anybody when it comes to the under the raar stuff how he plays Under Pressure how he avoids sacks uh the actual yardage not how college

Football does the yardage which is including sacks that makes no sense to me uh but how he pushes the ball down the field he apparently according to his Wikipedia page which is always 100% factual on Wikipedia uh he ran a 457 coming out of high school so I mean

We’re really talking about somebody that is a great athlete has a big arm can scramble can run got rid of the ball quickly I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that now danne bugler is talking about the potential of him going quite high and not to mention the man threw 45

Touchdowns and three picks can we can we like discuss that for a second and with uh you know with Joe burrow and I’m not saying he’s Joe burrow but with Joe burrow he had the same issue where the age well his he already you know aged out and plus people talked about well

He’s got Jefferson and Jamar Chase who turned out to be even better than anybody would have thought they would have been uh and okay so this is why he’s great Edwards Air was a first round pick he had him in the back field and yet so you could make that argument

About Nicks at Oregon well he’s got all these weapons well he had a good system he had a good team he had a good line he had everything else but we’ve seen it Go all over the place we’ve seen quarterbacks like Josh Allen have terrible team and put up terrible

Numbers and become a great quarterback and we’ve seen guys who had great teams around them also become really good the the the bet that I would be making here is really on the arm and athleticism it would be entirely on the tools and then I guess the the league will try to

Figure out whether he can read defenses and so forth um so we’ll see what happens at the Senior Bowl I mean Manny I could just I feel myself just being convinced so easily on quarterbacks um but I am really fascinated to see how this ends up playing out with the Senior

Bowl coming out of it because obviously the Vikings will be down there I’m sure Kevin oconnell is going to be down there to watch the practices watch the games and I I want to know whether they come out of it thinking we might be able to

Get our quarterback out of this group or you know we might want to look at Spencer Rattler in the fourth and look for a development quarterback because there’s nothing past Jaden Daniels I’m really fascinated to see it I am too and I’m just fascinated at how you know what

Everybody is going to be feeling about you know Michael penck and Bo Knicks specifically after the Senior Bowl um you know the things that I’m kind of looking for with them is just like how do they handle you know situational stuff you know the senior bull is always interesting because it’s it’s a

Collection of you know players that haven’t really you know a lot of these guys may know each other from you know being recruited by the same coaches and things like that that but a lot of them haven’t really played together on the same team and so there’s always kind of

That aspect of it that’s working against them and so I’m always kind of interested to see like how these guys handle those situations of not being really familiar with the guys that they’re throwing the ball to you know can they develop a quick chemistry with certain guys and uh you know how they

Handle you know certain situations third and long situations they go through their progressions you know do they throw good timing and accuracy and anticipation all those things that you know the NFL looks for with quarterbacks you just those are the things you kind of look for to see if there’s there’s

Signs of that and um I’m I’m just fascinated it’s going to be a lot of fun I’m going to be glued to it because especially now for the first time in a in a while I’ll be really intrigued by watching the quarterbacks in the Senior Bowl because the team that I follow the

Team I’ve been a fan of probably going to be the first time in a while that you know we’ll be really paying attention to those guys for a specific reason so um it’s gonna be fun I I can’t wait I’m really looking forward to it hopefully it doesn’t turn

Out like the last time I watched it closely which was Malik Willis Sam Howell and Kenny picket in the Su uh in the Senior Bowl and I just the one thing I’m I’m always a little hesitant about even as dialed in and as excellent at

His job as danne bugler is and you can really tell how good he is because everyone plagiarizes his work throughout draft season uh shout out to uh Benjamin Robinson a guy who tracks mock drafts who showed a chart of where if danne bugler moves somebody up that the rest

Of the mock will follow it’s like oh well I guess we know how this thing works so danne is really uh dialed into this and he would have a sense for where these guys are coming out but sometimes with the quarterback there’s so much like uh what do they call smoking

Mirrors and that kind of stuff that in the Senior Bowl we came out kind of thinking Malik Willis might be a first round pick and then it was only Kenny picket who ended up in the first round so in a way like I really want to see it

And see how he reacts see how he reacts to NFL coaching for a week and how he plays like you said with the other players that he’s got to try to find quick chemistry with how he looks against really good players because this is a not only it’s a good collection but

Now in the Senior Bowl coincidentally they could also have now so there’s like more Talent there than has been before in the Senior Bowl and we’ll definitely be watching that closely for how Bo Nicks and Michael pennick react uh some of you in the comments are talking about a Kirk Cousins contract situation

Digital planes media says do you think Kurt Cousins contract demands were leaked by the Vikings or the cousins Camp I do not know what we’re talking about here uh Anthony says if Kirt cousins is really going to be demanding two years 990 million guaranteed can go

Somewhere else what what is that did you is there something I missed Manny yeah so I saw something um I think it was from Charlie Walters that said he heard that uh it’s something like kurk cousins could demand two years 90 million fully guaranteed and I saw it and I just kind

Of chuckled because it’s like he can demand that all he wants but I ain’t giving them that and I don’t think the Vikings would either so that’s that’s kind of I think what everybody’s talking about oh okay interesting well I I guess I would say that uh his demands

Don’t really matter versus what someone is willing to pay him and now so did I guess my question always is when something starts circulating around the internet gets picked up by aggregators and tweeted out and stuff like that is that what he actually wrote or was he speculating and then somebody picked it

Up and said here’s what it actually you know here’s what being reported is that what happened because that does happen yes that’s what it kind of seems like it it kind of seem like it’s more speculation than anything else okay I would just suggest that on social media

Follow actual reporters like Dove kimman whatever the f that is just can’t that just that’s not that’s not good that’s a lot of stuff that is a person trying desperately to get attention for themselves so they will spin stories in totally bogus ways find real beat

Reporters who will tell you the truth um so anyway well look I mean if that’s what he’s trying to get I wouldn’t be surprised because he he’s got the best agent in the world and he’s gonna aim super high but really the guaranteed money is the key as Kirk Cousins said

The structure is the key I IM imagine he’s going to want to know trade clause from whoever he is asking uh to sign him and Derek Carr got 60 million guaranteed that would be much closer to what Kirk Cousins would be looking for but since he said it’s what the money represents

Then my guess would be that means don’t pay me the same average annual value as Derek Carr or less because I’m better than Derek Carr and I’m better than Daniel Jones and I looked at this today Manny and there are 12 quarterbacks who are making more than 40 or 40 or up and

Jared gof is going to get an extension absolutely guaranteed to be 45 plus so that would make basically half the League’s reasonable starters because there’s other people who are on rookie contracts that couldn’t be in this ballpark so anyone who is a reasonable starter or up is making at least 40 if

You’re Kirk you can’t ask for less than 40 so even Charlie Walter wait yeah Charlie Walter right okay yeah even even Char even even Charlie’s uh speculation now all guaranteed I don’t know but his that would be more than he signed originally for Guarantee that’d be pretty wild but his speculation of 45

Mil is not out of this world I mean that’s probably the starting point when you look at other quarterbacks and Derek Carr signed his deal coming off of his Worst season and Kirk is going to look at that and go I’m actually coming off a season where I was playing really really

Well he was I think sixth by PFF and one thing to Kirk’s credit that uh if Magic Mike McCartney wants to use he can he had the most drops in the NFL through week eight um surprisingly that he also had you know a lot of receivers dropping

The ball receivers fumbling the ball and stuff like that I mean Kirk’s got a pretty good argument to make for being somewhere in the range of 45 million and maybe maybe this is a little bit for some people who thought like oh and again if it’s speculation and not

Reporting then you know I’m not going with that number to say this but if that is where he isn’t in the in the range for his starting point of negotiations when they go to the combine and so forth and the legal tampering period then uh there’s just absolutely no way there’s

Just absolutely no Universe where the Vikings can do that right no not at all and they shouldn’t even like they shouldn’t even ponder it like it it’s just it’s not even it’s it’s a non-starter for me like if I’m if I’m even in the camp of wanting to bring

Kurt Cousins back which you know I’m not in that camp but if I was considering bringing him back I’m not bringing him back at that number not at age 36 coming off in Achilles when there are other you know huge holes and needs on this roster um in order to even compete in

2024 I’m there’s just no way it’s it’s an absolute non-starter you know all due respect to Kirk I’m just not not doing that it just makes no sense to go to bring him back at that number at all I don’t even know what dollar figure would make sense for this team considering the

Rest of their needs and even if someone is making 30 mil and then you’re adding just Jefferson making 30 mil and uh needing to go into free agency and sign a bunch of people even 15 million less than shooter speculation still makes me go I don’t think so and that’s not where

Kirk’s going to so hey if he gets that man good for him good for him business Hall of Fame good job but I I got I got nothing for that uh for this team so yeah see this is one of the things that comes up with B Knicks that I don’t

Understand Jason says bcks can’t read progressions Oregon was screens and throw to the first guy never even looked to the second third or fourth guy I mean I just don’t understand a how we could really watch on TV and know this and what the progression was supposed to be uh I just

Told you as far as him throwing down the field and I can even screen share if everybody wants to see this number um let’s see let me find it let me find it I’ll find it I’ll find this and I’ll I’ll screen share with everybody just to

Show you that I have empirical evidence of what we’re looking at hold on everybody just quietly wait and I will call this up like rolling in the projector as a kid they still do that all right now it looks a little wonky here but I’m going to fix it hold

On all right so let me clear out our little thing here and everybody can see it okay so if you look close everyone at the top is deep throws over 20 yards where he completed 51% and graded a 95 by pfff had 119 quarterback rating when

He was throwing over 20 yards when he was throwing over 10 yards he had a 95 pffff grade 16 touchdowns one pick and 145 quarterback rating and these are adjusted to the NFL so even when he was holding the ball if you could see my mouse for 2.6 or three seconds which

Would probably involve some progressions he was still putting up wild numbers now you’re right to say like 27% of his passes being screens that is a lot so they were throwing screens for sure you’re not wrong about that but I mean when we’re talking about um throwing

Down the field he did it very accurately so I don’t know about I don’t know I don’t know about that I also know this I’ll get this right in a second uh I also there we go I also know this nobody in college football can read nothing in

The NFL that’s what I also know that it’s that’s the reality Manny of college to the NFL is that there are not guys who who are going to go out there and identify Steve spagnolo’s defense who are playing in college right now that’s why quarterbacks who sit for a year and

Learn the NFL that’s why we like them so much because it is so hard to drop right in and do all of that and understand all that make all the checks and all the change and everything else this is actually what the Vikings are afraid of

I think is that it’s so darn difficult to read defenses as a rookie that Kevin oconnell might feel like he has to dial back his offense which I’m not so sure that he wants to do yeah and you know let’s let’s just let’s just keep it real here let’s keep it a buck

Like we don’t re it’s there is no exact science to predicting how these guys are going to translate to the NFL a lot of times what you’re looking for with these quarterbacks is you’re looking at the physical tools that they have and you are kind of rolling a d rolling a dice

On them coming to your team fitting into your system molding them developing them and them turning out to be great I mean like we’ve been talking about this for weeks now with all the quarterbacks in the league right now that are the best in the business that are Elite momes

Josh Allen Lamar Jackson there were question marks about all of those guys and people were just picking those guys apart and there was the thought of Patrick Mahomes that oh his footwork is bad and he’s throwing you know he’s he’s throwing off of his back foot and he’s

Just kind of flicking the ball and he’s not playing in an NFL offense and all this other stuff and now he’s arguably the greatest quarterback of all time why because he got drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs he sat for a year developed you know Andy Reid developed his tools

And you know got him more fundamentally sound and now he’s he’s the greatest quarterback in this league um Josh Allen was inaccurate he was on a a a a group of five School in Wyoming and the numbers weren’t great and even when he got into the league and started out it

Was not good and there were a lot of question marks about you know did the Bills make the right decision of drafting this guy and now he’s one of the elite quarterbacks in this league so it’s I don’t know if there’s really an exact science of looking at what these

Guys do in college and predicting that guy’s going to be the greatest quarterback of all time because you just don’t know what you do is you look at the physical tools you look at bone ni and you say he’s a good athlete got a really good arm seems to be a pretty

Good leader want a lot of games let’s take a chance and put them in our system see how it goes and see if we can turn him into a star that’s what you just kind of hope for and there’s just no real perfect way of predicting how that’s going to play out

For any of these guys to be honest I think that like maybe some of the criticism is the throwing isn’t always precise or always throwing to open receivers or I’m not see I’m not really sure because when I look at the numbers I kind of Wonder like what what

Is it that’s the downside of him and I guess I’ll find this out as I listen to Daniel Jeremiah for three straight days watching NFL network with these Senior Bowl practices and combine and all that stuff going forward and uh read a little bit more of what everyone says about him

But I’m looking at a guy who is really big really fast and throws the ball hard and has amazing numbers and like I mean yes he was older that is absolutely true but I don’t think that that means that you can’t develop we’re talking about quarterbacks even in the NFL who have to

Develop from age 24 to 27 seven uh I know Lamar Jackson did not have a good game on Sunday but although I wish Z flowers maybe had just taking it down at the one and then maybe Lamar’s stats look a little better but you know Lamar is really developed as being in complete

Command of the pocket and that’s something that this year we saw take off and why he was going to win another MVP as opposed to kind of just using his amazing physical traits uh to get people open scrambling and so forth and just making good throws down now he was like

Really in control of the offense I think Mahomes has gotten even better at at doing all that which is what makes him Unstoppable right so I I’m not sure that you can’t develop as a quarterback from age 24 to 2728 yeah well I I’m glad you brought a

Patrick Mahomes again because I remember this was he went on the LeBron James the the shop HBO show at that time this was shortly after they won the Super Bowl against San Francisco four years ago and he was talking about how he said something like I don’t have the exact

Quote but he said something like I just learned how to read defenses this year he had already he had just won the Super Bowl had an MVP under his belt and had been in the NFL for three years and he’s talking about how he had just learn how

To read defenses so like it it that right there is proof that none of these guys are perfect prospects coming out and depending on where they go depending on if they have some good weapons around them and a good infrastructure around them is really what determines how good

These guys are now yeah there’s certain guys that were probably gonna be bad no matter what Zack Wilson might be a guy that no matter who took him he was probably gonna be bad and when you look back at some of the stuff with Zack

Wilson at BYU I know you brought up you know the fact that he wasn’t a team captain you know that might kind of explain like why yeah it’s probably never really going to work out for Zack Wilson and but that was something that people kind of overlooked it’s sometimes

It’s just like the the little things that we don’t really think about that ultimately determine what how good these guys are but otherwise it’s just a crapshoot and you just hope that you know the guy that you take works out and you do all the right things you draft

Well you you sign Good Guys in free agency you build a good roster and then that’s ultimately how you you you have success long term yeah with the the age thing uh I could see where you could look at it from two perspectives is like maybe uh if you’re

21 years old there’s the idea that you have so much more to grow from what you are and I fully understand that the if you’re 24 though are you more capable I also know that uh bo Nicks is married he’s kind of like a real boy he’s like a

Grownup you know like does it help you and I know this worked in jiren Hall’s favor which I I know he didn’t play well in his game but I thought that he adapted to NFL environment really really well this year and that’s why they wanted to give him a chance he was older

Than Bo Nicks by maybe a year year and a half or something but when jiren Hall came in he acted like an NFL player pretty much from the jump and that’s what you’d be looking for for Bo Nicks we’re not talking about somebody who’s 26 we’re not talking about the henden

Hooker jokes it’s you know going to turn 24 I guess I would be pretty comfortable with that uh SD Evo says Nick’s ceiling might be limited but his floor is really high in the right system right Tools around him he could be super successful IE golf who is very good but not Elite

Or anything um the golf part I mean I understand what you’re saying he’s not Josh Allen or he’s not uh you know Patrick Mahomes but I I I keep betting on Jared Goff and I was this close to having it work again like I bet on Jared

Gof like this is this is a guy I’m gonna get behind early on uh because I felt like he was being talked about as just a system quarterback or whatever when he was with McVey and then he went to the Super Bowl and then I was this close to

Having him catch a pass in the end zone to beat the Patriots and he overthrew it by a bit and then the same thing uh happens with with the Lions game there which you know we’ll get to some of that but Nicks is just an interesting Prospect because I think people are very

Skeptical of him because of what they saw early in his career and when we go back to what he did early in his career I still got the PFF page up here he really was not good until he got to Oregon uh and so I guess maybe the

Question might be was that a product of just going to a different system in Oregon or was it his development and I don’t know how to answer that question uh first I didn’t cover bonix we’ll try to get somebody on the show at some point who did but and I haven’t watched

Every game of his I’ve just been starting to go through a couple of those YouTubes that have like every play good or bad not just highlight reels and I do see enough running playmaking throwing the ball hard I mean I don’t know like you’re starting to see

The tools come together and it’s got It’s got me quite intrigued but you know I don’t I this age thing I just don’t really know I mean see you could show your age and talk about how Jim Kelly and Warren Moon had to go through the

Usfl and then they showed up in the NFL after a couple years of development or something but that definitely makes me feel way too old uh Hamza says there is no way the Vikings could trade back can still get Nicks right I’ve been really

High on B I think he could be great with KOC yeah that’s the other thing Manny is uh with the Vikings you do throw a lot of passes to open wide receivers that is just a fact so if that’s like a criticism well that’s you know that’s

That’s what Nick Mullins was doing uh as well but I I have no idea this is why it’s in the headline because Dane bugler saying this really took me by surprise I like oh well you know mock draft database has both Nick sitting at like

25 so I would have said last night hey it kind of looks like it but now now I’m going wait a minute is the NFL about to get really high on bonick I really have no idea yeah I don’t either I mean like like we were saying before like we just

Sometimes these guys they they Skyrocket up you know a few draft boards and you know we all think that okay this guy’s going to get picked in the top 10 and then end up falling out of the first round completely it’s just really it’s hard to really figure out it’s hard to

Predict you know I think ultimately in the case of the Vikings I think what you’re just hoping for is they take a guy and then it’s the right guy and then it just works you know what I mean and I think with what they have set up I I

Know you know what the Vikings have right now is not perfect and certainly you know there are fair criticisms of Kevin oconnell I think overall but you know when you look at what they have you’ve got the best wide receiver in football you’ve got a really good young

Wide receiver who had a really nice rookie season you have one of the best tight ends in the league now he’s coming off a pretty substantial injury but becomes if everything works out well for T.J hackinson he’s one of the best tight ends in the league you’ve got an

Offensive line that is not perfect but you’ve got two really good when they’re healthy tackles that are really going to do a good job of protecting you you’ve got some pieces in place to where where you can Envision a Young quarterback stepping in and having some

Success early on and maybe you take a guy and he sits for a year even better I mean it just ultimately what it comes down to is you just have to take a guy and you just have to make it work you have to find a way for it to work and if

It doesn’t those guys are going to be out of a job and you’re going to have a new coach and probably taking a new quarterback a few years from now so I think you just have to take a swing and just hope for the best uh Jared says anything can work can

Is a loose word I can become president can you Jared uh I I see that’s actually a great example uh because everything is about odds everything we talk about is about odds so when we talk about Bo Nicks it’s about odds so we’re GNA look at his numbers and look at his

Background and look at how he performed and then we’re going to look at what the scouting community and the draft people and whatever think of him and then try to figure out what the odds are that he could be a really good quarterback for the Vikings that could take him

Somewhere now what are the actual odds if I had to just throw out a number I’d probably say three or four out of 10 times a quarterback that you draft 11th overall becomes something and one out of every 20 times he becomes momps or or maybe not quite to that level but you

Know like a super Star Quarterback uh Allen is taken I think at eight or seven and momes is right there in that same range so every once in a while that guy becomes a superstar and then the other guys don’t become guys that you draft on

A second or that you sign on a second contract and so forth now what are the odds that Kirk Cousins at age 36 can take you to the NFC Championship so far he’s never been there he has never won a home playoff game in his entire career

And it’s not entirely about Kirk but the teams as well and what are the odds that he’s going to get better than he was what are the odds that you can build a team around and when you’ve never been able to do this the odds are not very high right so

Would I take would I take the two and 10 three and 10 chance that bonick is great and maybe coin flip chance that he’s good enough to allow you to build a team versus zero in 10 which we’ve seen out of 10 years of Kirk Cousins starting in

The NFL and he’s never taken a team there yeah I I mean I think that’s the odds are quite a bit better actually uh there is there is there a guarantee for anything of course not but that’s that’s how I think you have to look at this is

What how do all these factors about someone like B Nicks way the odds uh Anthony says doesn’t matter what the knocks are in any of these QBs coming out of the draft that’s what coaching is about KOC needs to be confident that he could scheme up the right recipe for any

Of them uh Kevin oconnell Manny is really a wild card here isn’t he 100% 100% And you know we have kind of speculated about you know the type of quarterback that he might want the reality is is we don’t really even know either I mean we think he wants a guy

That’s a big guy with a big arm that’s going to push the ball down the field but you know he’s had Matthew Stafford with the Rams he had kurk cousins in Washington he’s had Kurt Cousins here so it the the sort of the big pocket passing quarterback that throws the ball

Down the field has kind of been all he’s had but he’s never handpicked you know Kevin oconnell has never handpicked a quarter a Young quarterback he hasn’t done it yet we don’t know if he can do it or if he can’t do it I want to see him

Try that’s been my my whole viewpoint on all of this since the season ended has been I want to see him try I want to see Kevin okell get opportunity to look at a certain quarterback and say that’s the guy I like him let’s take him and I’m

Going to grow and mold him into being our quarterback that I just want to see if I want to see if he can do it you know and I want to find that out so I I don’t I don’t know man I I just it’s just something that we we don’t really

Know for sure we we don’t know for sure if he can grow and develop a Young quarterback we don’t know that he can’t do it either so let’s just give it a shot I just want to see it I thought this was why you hired him wasn’t it

Yeah I mean look here’s the thing so we got in a big fight about Harbaugh the other day because I was never for Harbaugh and then you know of course now they got a GM from the Ravens who’s probably gonna stack up that roster Harbaugh’s gonna win then a hundred of

You are G to come back in the comment section to be like we told you but uh that’s fine you can do that if that works out but the thing about my main argument against Harbaugh aside from the absolute circus that comes along with Harbaugh was the idea that you’re taking

A long view of this thing which is hire the former quarterback who’s been in the game not out of the game for 10 years and give the guy who looks to me like the quarterback I don’t want to say Whisperer but developer former quarterback recently uh with the McVey

System recently have him get in the ear of a rookie quarterback develop them pair those two together and go forward and hope you end up with a John Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson or Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes type relationship that lasts for a really long time like that’s

The ideal world to live in if you were just all in on trying to win right the freak now no matter what happens then I would have been okay with Harbaugh if that was the goal then I would have been like all right well look burn TCO performance center to the ground with

Jim Harbaugh by any means to try to win go ahead but that wasn’t their goal that wasn’t the approach they’ve taken so why would you deviate away from that now I mean that’s that’s how I look at it right yeah well and let’s let’s let’s go

Back to when Jim Harbaugh was hired by the 49ers in 2011 the 49ers were a team that had been they it was it’s almost in a lot of ways it was very similar to what Shawn McVey stepped into with the Rams in 2017 it was a team that they had drafted

A lot of talent in the previous handful of years they had you know really kind of built up a roster but they were just simply poorly coached and they needed a guy that could step in right away it was a team that was ready to take that next

Step and into contention and Harbaugh did that with the 49ers they that team was built really well and ready to go it was just they were coached by Mike Nolan and then Mike single ter like that’s why that’s why Harbaugh was hired because it was a team that was already constructed

And ready to go same thing with the Rams with McVey I mean that that was a team that was really well put together they drafted a lot of young talent in the previous years but they were coached by Jeff Fischer and they weren’t going anywhere so you just brought in another

Guy that was able to take them to that next level the Vikings weren’t really in that spot in 2022 you know they they were kind of in a different position they were you know kind of transitioning from you know a a previous ERA with Mike Zimmer with a lot of older players a

Team that had kind of gone over the hump so to speak of you know contention and just didn’t really have a lot left and you know it just wasn’t the right type of situation now how would 2022 have gone if Harbaugh were coaching you know might have been about the same same

Results you know you probably would have won 12 or 13 games want a weak division but what would you have done in the playoffs I don’t I don’t know if there would have been a lot really there when you consider how things kind of played out

So I I think I think the right decision was made and if Jim Harbaugh wins three Super Bowls with Justin Herbert and the Chargers then okay I guess yes maybe we’re wrong maybe we were wrong about it but the Chargers just seem like a team

That’s kind of in the same spot that the 49ers were in you know 13 years ago where there’s a lot of talent it’s a team that with a Young quarterback that’s kind of maybe ready to take the next step and weren’t quite there yet because they weren’t as well coached as

They should have been and you just kind of see what happens there with Harbaugh going forward uh and you go back to San Francisco I guess uh Harbaugh did put a rookie quarterback in after they drafted a quarterback despite having a limited veteran quarterback who had kind of

Proven what his ceiling was interesting stuff uh actually they even went somewhere with Alex Smith and still made a change to get to the next level but I think in the position they were in they probably would have kept Delvin cook they would have kept Adam thielen they

Would have kept Eric Hendricks uh the direction has all pointed toward this draft for quarterbacks and you actually have real prospects here and uh groovy skeptic asked uh how does McCarthy’s arm uh stack up he clearly has legs I think McCarthy has a really great arm that’s the comparison with him and nicks

Because he’s 21 and so there’s the ciling like is he G to be able to develop and get better and you know kind of hone his skills and that’s maybe one of the reasons why they limited him for how often they had him throw the ball

Was that he’s a little bit wild with the Ball but he throws it really hard it’s just that he’s a little bit out of uh control sometimes with his accuracy and so you’d have to develop and develop he hasn’t thrown a lot of passes in

Comparison to Bo Nicks but you know I I haven’t been very much sold on McCarthy exactly but if they did it I’d say all right because I think like you were saying Manny if the NFL evaluates um sorry sometimes the comments just make me laugh mid thought and uh it’s um

It’s one of my largest challenges in life actually it’s not laughing sometimes you guys say something funny that time I did uh I’ll just put it up on the screen now I can’t hold back on this uh dystopia and Utopia said uh you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take

Wayne Gretzky Michael Scott that it’s a great great reference great reference well done uh but if they draft McCarthy and even though I’m not as buing on bonck that’s all right good if they evaluated him as having a first round arm and they want to play Garder mshu

For a year and develop uh JJ McCarthy and have him ready to go that sounds like a great plan do that that’d be totally fine um I don’t whatever way they go about it there’s about five different ways where I’d be like okay like if bring in Baker Mayfield like we

Talked about the other day draft a guy if it’s McCarthy have him develop and so forth and we’ll go from there trade up for Jaden Daniels maybe that’s your move all right like there’s a lot of paths where I’d be like all right let’s go and

Picking B Knicks at 11 one of the major benefits though Manny about picking B Knicks at 11 if Dane Brugler is not right and he doesn’t emerge as a top 10 quarterback is that you only use your own pick and it doesn’t have to destroy your future that is a really nice

Benefit of taking someone with your own selection is that you didn’t trade your entire future drafts to do it yeah it just gives him more options right it gives you more opportunities to you know get even add even more Talent you know if you’re if

You’re in a position I mean look if you want to move up and get Jaden Daniels we talked about this the other day if that’s the guy you want and you feel like you can move up and get him go ahead and do that you know what I mean

Um but there is something to be said for like you said keeping your own pick and having more opportunities to draft um to draft even more Talent you know the Vikings you know because of the way the 2022 draft kind of unfolded it’s It’s kind of tough to see how much they’re

Going to get out of that out of that draft class um you know you you’re you’re G to have to start hitting on some draft picks that is going to be a thing that you know when you look at what has happened with the Lions and how

They’ve gotten to this point of being on the doorstep of going to the freaking Super Bowl you know they’ve done that with having I draft picks and and hitting on those draft picks so you know you’re you’re kind of the that’s the risk that you play when you do move up

Um but on the flip side if you do move up and you take Jaden Daniels and he’s all world and one of becomes one of the elite quarterbacks in the league that’s going to be pretty good too because that’s going to mean that you’re going to be in contention every single year um

Because when you look around the NFL the elite quarterbacks are in the playoffs every year and they’re in the Super Bowl conversation every year I mean I know everybody’s going to have some fun at Lamar Jackson’s expense this off season because of what happened yesterday but

That dude’s going to be on the doorstep of the super if he’s healthy every year the Ravens are going to be on the doorstep of the Super Bowl every year because of how great he is and sign me up for that you know what I mean as

Opposed to where the Vikings have been for the last you know four or five years well you’ll appreciate my reference from yesterday with Lamar Jackson he’s Charles Barkley or he’s Reggie Miller guys who belonged in the NBA Finals but Michael Jordan just gave him the Matumbo

F finger wag no no no you will not be going to the NBA finals uh that’s how it is for Mahomes that he personally has shaped narratives for other great quarterbacks but you know what if the Vikings stumbled into a quarterback as good as Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson I

Will just take my chances that the next momes shows up and ruins it all for everyone uh y’s painting I assume it’s y might be yoders I know a guy named yder so I he pronounces it that way anyway uh who’s uh uh who’s the quarterback that

You like the most in the draft regardless of draft position this is a this is a weird take Manny um I like Drake May the best but I think I would draft Caleb Williams is that weird like I think like Drake May Drake May is so large and just throws such a beautiful

Football he kind of reminds me of CJ stoud recency bias of course but the way that the ball just travels through the air and with such ease and the guy is such great size and he’s an athlete he’s a playmaker everything is there but with Caleb Williams when you see the high end

Of Caleb Williams and we were just talking about all that stuff with reading defenses whatever else there’s been a million quarterbacks they said couldn’t including a recent guy from Oregon in Justin Herbert go read his uh scouting reports that said well you know he’s not very good at this or that or

The other thing and he’s turned I would take him as well um maybe he just you know needed a better Coach but that’s kind of how I feel about this is even if I personally watching both quarterbacks kind of like man I I kind of lean Drake

May a little bit I don’t know how you could watch the highend and the physical ability of Caleb Williams and not take him because this guy can do just about anything he he has the arm strength to throw from angles you never believe you shouldn’t trust what you see on College

Tape all the time as much as you trust their arm their speed all that that sort of stuff and Josh Allen and even Jordan love is a good example like Jordan love in college was kind of bad at Utah State threw a ton of picks like he made crazy

Throws inaccurate throws but what did you see from time to time the crazy highend of Jordan love and he developed it to be a superstar and I know people do not like when I say that on the show but let let’s just we gotta be honest with ourselves the dude was second in

The league in touchdowns this year and did what he did uh in the playoffs and made a farian throw at the end but that that’s I don’t know do you like do you like Caleb Williams more or how are you feeling about that I do I do like the

Raw just like the raw ability of Caleb Williams and you know this USC did not have a good year and you know it I know at times it looked like he may have took a step back but this guy you go back and look at his 2022 season the year he won

The Heisman Trophy and he was just amazing he made every throw he made every play necessary um I think you know USC in 2023 just I think the team around him just wasn’t as good and I think he kind of wore a little bit more on his

Shoulders than what he needed to the you know than what he did the previous year I think at times he was just seemed like he was just trying to do too much trying to extend a play a little bit too long um and I think we kind of saw a lot of

That especially against Notre Dame where he really did not play well at all it just felt like he was doing way too much and I think it kind of affected him um the team just wasn’t as good and the defense was just an Abomination that UFC

Defense in 2023 was awful um and so when you just I think when you have that pressure when you know like my defense is bad I got to go down and score a touchdown every single possession you just try to do too much and I think that

Kind of led to some of the bad plays that he made um during the season but but again it’s it’s I I think you’re like we said before we’re we’re looking for the physical tools and what those guys can do with their arm with their athleticism can

They extend plays things like that and then you insert them into what you’re trying to do and you mold them and develop them now maybe Caleb Williams is a guy that might need to sit for a year more so than a drake May or Jaden Daniels or something like that but I

Think you have to like the physical tools and you have to just somebody’s gonna take a chance on him and you know you just hope it’s the right team and that they’ve got the right infrastructure and eventually he turns into a stud there’s a lot of there’s a lot to like about it

Well I guess if you’re the Vikings you’re hoping that doesn’t happen because it will happen in Chicago probably uh I’ll be I’d be really curious to know what they’re saying in their front office with the same exact discussion I think that the evaluation is really close and I have been chatting

With different people who know enough to know a little bit about this conversation that’s the best I could do for you uh and there are some people who believe that Drake May should be the top the overall pick but I keep coming back to some of the things that Caleb

Williams is able to do off platform his running ability is downright prolific at times uh I mean you can have him completely bottled up and he can escape for a first down he could throw the ball running to his left or right 50 60 yards down the field I mean there’s just so

Much he could do uh what I I wonder about with Caleb Williams is pressure and I was thinking about pressure in Lamar Jackson and pressure in Baltimore and how I think Baltimore in a lot of ways felt the pressure and Dallas this happens to them all the time and they

Just freak out I think Caleb Williams freaked out a little bit this year that when you have that pressure of being called a generational Talent you’re on the same level as pton Manning and Andrew Luck which I wouldn’t put on anybody by the way I don’t know if

Anybody will ever again be as the type of prospect that pton Manning was uh I me Andrew Luck was definitely up there but I mean you you’re Tennessee fan I mean you know what that was like with Payton Manning I don’t think that that was that level with Caleb Williams but

When you’re being compared to those guys as a prospect that there is so much on you to win every single game and then it kind of broke him at times which may ultimately be good or bad for him I have no idea because I saw that with after he

Had some losses and thought buddy it’s only gonna get harder from here it doesn’t get easier at the same time he’s growing up dealing with this right in front of us so maybe him kind of breaking under the pressure is a learning experience that he takes to the

NFL and is better for ultimately I really don’t know uh with Caleb Williams I don’t buy some of the stuff that he’s like a you know a diva or whatever else I’m not sure that was really it I I I think that more well he had that thing

Leaked about wanting a piece of the team which you can’t even do according to the CBA so that didn’t help his case either but it it’s a it’s a fascinating decision and I think I like May ever so slightly better but would probably uh end up taking Caleb Williams so we’ve

Spent this entire time on the quarterbacks which of course is going to be a lot of discussion going forward I wanted to ask you one thing before we wrapped up which was supposed to take up a much larger chunk of the show that happens to us sometimes when the chat

Gets going and I I’ve loved the enthusiasm of the chat uh today throughout the show uh the Meltdown the Lions I let’s just do this Manny 1998 2009 2017 we know what those years mean in Viking history you could throw in 87 if you want 2000 as

Well 2000 is more well 2000 I guess falls under the category of uh like 2017 yeah but the fact that 2017 came off of the Minneapolis miracle I think made it so much worse but take take take just the the shocking meltdowns the disasters the drop from Darren Nelson Gary

Anderson Brett far throwing across his body how would you compare those to what happened to the lions like if that had happened to the Vikings where would you rank it an alltime Viking lore like would that be the worst one or is that not the worst

One I don’t think it would be the worst one it may you know Lions fans might feel a little bit different because it’s the first time the Lions have done anything of this magnitude in 32 years um since I was in the second grade uh I I still go back to 98

Because it it was I mean guys had their bags packed for Miami there was a song on the radio you know that was sort of a a playoff with a Will Smith’s Miami song I mean it was it was a foregone conclusion that the Vikings were going to go to the

Super Bowl and nobody was stopping them nobody was stopping that offense um they were at home they were I can’t remember what the line was but they were pretty heavy favorites against the Falcons and it was like the the Falcons Chris Chandler like whatever like who’s Chris

Chandler like you know he’s been a journeyman guy that had played for like the Rams and the Cardinals and was just a guy you know and he comes in and has the best game of his life and the crowd noise at the Metrodome has no effect on the Falcons

Whatsoever and they just came in and they made plays and you know they got it done they got it done when the Vikings couldn’t that to me is still the one that that kind of sticks out because it there was just I remember being a fresh

In high school that year and the the thought of the Vikings losing that game was just like like there was no thought of the Vikings losing that game it was a foregone conclusion they were going to win that game um it was unimaginable so I I that’s the one that’s still I mean

If we’re comparing it between that and the Lions I I think that’s the one that’s really still kind of stands out to me as a bigger one now Lions fans might feel differently because it’s first time in the while for them and were up by 17 at

The half and they were dominating that game and maybe they just felt like it was in the bag at that point but for me 98 to me is still kind of a bigger thing because there just the the idea of the Vikings even losing that game was just not even was

Non-existent we’re uh really speaking Detroit’s language here uh or I’m or actually sorry put it the other way around Detroit is now speaking our language when it comes to these NFC Championship meltdowns I would say that 1998 is almost Untouchable even in NFL history aside from Norwood missing the field goal to

Lose the Super Bowl like that to me is the alltime but it’s right there considering the quality of that team the 1998 Vikings outscored every team in the NFL this year that’s how good their offense was we talk about offense dominates the game and everything else they outscore

Every team in the NFL in 2023 uh that’s how dominant they were and to be so close see the thing about the Lions is they could have converted that fourth down fumbled the next play missed the field goal after that scor you scored a field goal and then still lost the game

It was midway through the third quarter and that’s one of the crazy Parts about how it was being debated with the Analytics I and everything else like they should have just gotten a stop on defense as opposed to giving up a 50 yard pass regardless of how it happened

That was the main issue there is that their defense had been playing so well throughout the game and then had a collapse but it was midway through the third quarter that’s going to be the one that everyone remembers but uh you know that going for that fourth down and

Having Josh Reynolds drop it and everything else but Josh Reynolds catching it doesn’t guarantee that they even win the game we’re talking about the best offense in football the 49ers that they could put up points in a hurry against just about anyone so for it to

Play out the way it did and all the crazy events to come after that was pretty nuts but I think it’s harder to be one kick away from the best kicker in the league that year from an alltime Great Hall of Fame kicker all he’s got

To do is Chip it in and you win and you go to the Super Bowl and you could very well win it I know Denver was extremely good but you could very well win that Super Bowl to be that close is much different there was a lot of game to

Still play with Detroit and then I I think 09 is hard for the same reason if Brett Favre takes off if he checks it to Bernard Barry and we’re talking about Ryan Longwell again you know not that you can guarantee kickers or anything but Ryan Longwell was a very very good

Kicker you’re probably talking about uh going to the Super Bowl at that point and I think in ‘ 09 it’s hard to say that they would have won the Super Bowl because of the shape that Brett was in 87 for for the olds and at least we get

To call some people older than us Manny uh 87 was the Super Bowl they probably would have won though that’s the thing is that that that Denver team was mediocre they got crushed by Washington and you’re one reception away from it happening and that one might even that

One might be a little more comparable to what happened to the Lions but the fact that they were right there as far as they you know to beat the Broncos like their opponent in 87 was not as good as the opponents that they would have faced

In ’98 in 2009 not a guarantee Super Bowl nothing guaranteed for the Vikings but that that should have maybe been the one um but yeah well welcome Lions welcome it’s been a really long time but you’re here so now uh one last thing Manny and I know we’ve gone longer than

Usual but we’ve had a lot of fun here and we’ve only got two weeks left of the Season Dan Campbell said after a very dark Dan Campbell said we uh this might have been our only shot and certainly Vikings fans know what that’s like they thought 2010 they were going back they

Thought 2018 they were going back I understand what he’s saying and Dan is a realist uh he understands like how hard it is to get to the NFC Championship I don’t think Detroit’s going anywhere though this quarterback has been there a number of times this roster is super young they might not get

To the Super Bowl but they’re going to be at the top of the NFC North save for whatever you know Calamity your quarterback hurts his a hillies or something you know but I I don’t see them going anywhere I don’t either they they’re young they seem to have their

Quarterback Jared gof is very good um the other thing too caller is they got cap space they’re gonna have money to spend this off season so like even we talked about some of the shortcomings they have on defense like in the secondary and everything they can go out

And spend some money and and boost up that defense they want to um you know and they’ve shown signs in these last couple of years of drafting very well too so I think they’re gonna be I you know I sometimes I wonder if Dan Campbell was just kind of just reacting

Because it’s just your your moments removed from you know a very heartbreaking loss um and your season being over and you just kind of wonder if he’s just reacting in the moment of just like this hurts right now and just it’s all kind of Doom and Gloom but I think with

What he’s done with that team um and leading them and with the the the position that they’re in right now that’s going to be a scary team I don’t think they’re going away anytime soon and you know the the rest of the NFC North and the rest of the NFC I think

Has you know considering how close they got last night um to getting to the Super Bowl I think the rest of the NFC is on notice that the Detroit Lions are not a joke anymore they are not a punch line they are a serious football team and they are not disappearing anytime

Soon if anything we were talking about Harbaugh teams in San Francisco kind of feels the same way where they had huge drafts for a few years or the New Orleans Saints that had that one huge draft with ramek and Latimore and chimra I think that was right and they had

Picked Michael Thomas it’s come up that the Vikings maybe could have selected him uh from time to time I good for LS seen though for taking that Crown because it used to be that was the one that always came up well did you know the Vikings could have drafted Michael

Thomas anyway yeah I think this Lions team is in a position to add players and look the way that those guys talk about Dan Campbell I think free agents are gonna want to go there I think they’re going to want to play for him in that culture

And a team that feels like it’s close so the Vikings have to get their offseason right and their decision right which is draft bow Knicks maybe we’ll see how I feel after this week uh anyway well Manny and I will talk again on Thursday and we’ll see what comes up before then

Because we won’t have a game to preview and then next week will be fun early in the week I’m gonna be out in Vegas at Radio row promoting the book which will be cool for a couple days and then Thursday night we will have it’s gonna

Be your night Manny it’s gonna be your night NE the Thursday before the Super Bowl will be your night that’s gonna be Super Bowl history night that is your night yes sir I love it that is your night we’re gonna have a lot of fun with that we’ll we’ll really put some work

Into that episode to make it really fun for everybody hey uh thanks everybody for a great chat tonight you guys were thoughtful and hilarious and uh really appreciate that good stuff so we’ll have a lot to discuss um yeah we got we got a Super Bowl we haven’t even talked about

Whether we like this Super Bowl match up or not I’m a little me to be honest I’m a little like oh them again I kind of wanted somebody new but it should be exciting so thanks Manny for your time thanks everybody for watching and uh we will catch you again very soon I’m

Thinking Wednesday night for another live chat with everybody so put it on your calendars see you guys then