MARK JACKSON & SKIP TO MY LOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THE SEBASTIAN TELFAIR INTERVIEW!! | S3 EP.6

#itiswhatitistalk #season3 #nyc #sebastiantelfair

Cam’ron, Ma$e & Treasure “Stat Baby” Wilson are back with another one, this time with NYC Hoop LEGEND & Former NBA Player Sebastian Telfair EP82

****NEW MERCH*** Shop the Come And Talk 2 Me Store….https://comeandtalk2me.com

What do you think? Tell us in the comments below
Please Like the video, comment, subscribe & turn on your post notifications for more content.

Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $100 first deposit match, and a Special Pick’em pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/pc-h5QWv9W9OA

Keep up with us on social media!
https://www.instagram.com/itiswhatitis_talk/

Follow Our Hosts!
https://www.instagram.com/mr_camron/
https://www.instagram.com/rsvpmase/
https://www.instagram.com/treasurewilsxn/

#juliusirving #markjackson #nba #hunterdekkers #paulpierce #espn #richpaul #lameloball #fatjoe #jalengreen #joshchristopher #skipbayless #espnlayoff #stephenasmith #brandonmarshall #celtics #pinkhorsepower #camron #Ma$e #Mase #brandonmarshall #itiswhatitis #itiswhatitistalk #producerkspence #killaentertainment #kpsfilmsmedia #kpsfilmsandmedia #pause #pauseentrapment #sports #sportstalk #capacorn
.
.
#sports #sportsshow #sportstalk #sportsnews #sportsupdate #sportsanalysis #football #basketball #baseball #hockey #soccer #tennis #golf #boxing #mma #ufc #wwe #olympics #sportsentertainment #sportsfan #sportsfans #sportslove #sportscommunity #sportsvideo #youtubesports #sportsgoals #sportsperformance #sportschallenge

Yeah look they love me yeah they love me me I don’t jewelry I it welcome back to it is what it is this episode is sponsored by Underdog fantasy the app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players Underdog is available in more than 30

States including California Florida Texas and New York just to name a few make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the underdog fantasy app they will also match your first deposit up to $100 and you get a special pick when you sign up

I’m treasure Wilson AKA stat baby along with your host Cam and soon maybe mace what’s good stat how are you n mace a here this is a mism but this the first day he’ll get docked I’m making over I’m kind of excited about keeping everything for a

Day he isn’t here so I guess I keep all the money for today since he didn’t show up uh it’s kind of exciting I’m pretty sure after he sees me say that that he he’ll be here early from now on but um uh we wait we not all

Jokes out we waiting on you Mason see if you get here um you know today’s a big day big morning for us uh as I let you introduce who’s our first guest today yes so our first guest today we are joined with Mark Jackson Action Jackson Mark what’s up baby everything good man

Everything good good to be back good man I’m happy you back how’s the holidays and the New Year treating you so far man no complaints just getting ready man watching y’all and keeping my ear close to the streets as you should as you should man

We got we got um some things to get to but um right before we was about to start Mark said he was a little disappointed with me and mace about uh not stepping in on some things that Sebastian tord has said and and and mark obviously said he has his

Ear to the streets which I listen Sebastian woke up a lot of people who was just sitting around quiet we also have Raa Austin ski the Malo on this same show today and um before we get to anything else Mark why were you disappoint OED with me and mace about

Sebastian’s interview nothing about sebas why were you mad at us go ahead well I I was upset because y’all not two country dudes hosting the show y’all two dudes from New York City two Ballers from New York City well aware of the history that’s behind the questions that you asked so I thought

There should have been a little bit more push back with his comments it was very entertaining and there’s no question about his his greatness coming up in New York City and how he impacted the game game I got no problem with that at all but when you talk about the top players

That ever come out of New York City the top point guards uh you got to show respect to the that’s like me coming on talking about tiny arer ball uh and he said Earl the Pearl Earl the Pearl is not from New York City Pearl Washington

Is from New York city so when you talk about the greats show respect and uh you can big up yourself all you want but I thought that there’s some great players that that came out of New York City that should have gotten a little bit more

Love so they should have been a some more push back and and you know what Mark you’re absolutely right 100% right um we wanted and before we get into anything else because we wanted him to share his story because he felt he was left out on a lot of different things

And not just his story it’s more about what he’s been through off the court and he’s felt that he was treated unfairly because of the situations off the court so you’re absolutely right Mark that it should have been a lot of push back not just a little bit more a lot of push

Back but he doesn’t have a platform uh out there where he could tell his story what we did tell him is we wanted him to come back because we did want to give more push back let me ask you this it’s a couple things about that interview I want to ask you before

We get into some NBA basketball he said that he was better than you he hold on he said he cooked me when he was when he was in high school what are we doing what are we doing like I and this isn’t about me I’m here to to speak

Up hundreds of dudes not named Mark Jackson that that have a case to be made and deserve to be shown some respect um I played against him as a young kid coming into the gym he had to wait on you know how a young kid you gotta wait

Till your turn you’re not playing right away right he he was a top-notch player as a 16 year old or whatever and he came into the gym and he got in got into the run there was nothing like he was you could tell he had a future and you could

Tell he was special at 16 years old but at 16 I wasn’t playing and I’m not comparing myself but you’re not cooking no legit NBA dude yeah yeah and and here’s my question here’s my question to you one question yes sir when you when you was when you guys were ask him about

Top five players or top 10 point guard are we talking about high school players or we talking about body of work players see that that was the thing that was with Sebastian is that he tried to put it into three different things it was high school it was professional and his biggest thing

More than any of that was culture and what he kept saying was that he was great basketball playing he’s not denying in his brain that he’s top five or top one or whatever he is basketball-wise but he’s saying he’s undisputably the best basketball player that moved the

Culture forward from New York City that was his argument more than anything else that when he played in Lincoln it was police down the street and up and down the street to make sure nobody gets hurt that that the gym was filled up around the corner when he played this was his

Argument more than even basketball now he had a argument with basketball but it was more about nobody done for more for the high school culture coming out of New York City I’m not here to argue for that you know what I will say is he was

A heck of a basketball player he had a heck of a career that was obviously cut short due to some you know unfortunate situations and you know he put himself in but I got nothing but respect for him and love for him I’m just here to defend

The guys that were before me after me during the time I mean we had four point guards in my class alone and Kenny Kenny Hutchinson Kenny Smith and pearl Washington absolutely incred like we don’t even mention those guys Kenny Hutson won a city Championship PSL Championship as a freshman I was on the

Freshman team he was on the Varity team winning the championship let’s show some respect to the OG’s that’s all that’s all I’m here to defend no and you’re absolutely right 100% and see the thing about it Mark is this and we you know we he was going on and on and and bask

Going on and on and my argument is this and I’m not as old as you but from I was I started watching basketball in 1984 when I was 78 years old and maybe not got into high school and college basketball to maybe 8889 you know when uh Derek Coleman and and Sherman Douglas

And those boys up in Syracuse was my team and so on and so forth and it happen and what happens with younger people they want to argue with you about what you’ve seen and when it comes to that you’ve seen what they seen and more

Than what they seen so when you want to make a comparison it isn’t like oh you hating on the young players no I’ve seen what you’ve done and I’ve seen stuff what people who done before you so how you mad at me for making a comparison

When you only seen what you seen and I seen what you seen and more than what you’ve seen um so before we move on and we’re still I’m want to stay on this topic for a minute because he told me he told us to ask you ask Mark did I cook

Him in in Hunter College what so the answer is no he did not cook you come on man come on he’s a 16y old he’s a 16y old kid playing against I humbly submit the starting point guard for the New York Knicks you know what are we

Doing he said Bassy other words cut the [ __ ] [ __ ] I’mma translate what Mark said and and so you are yo cut this [ __ ] [ __ ] cut it out man stop coming up here capping too now now now I feel bad cuz Markus saying that we didn’t do our job

As journalist and we came up here and let you run your mouth a little bit too much this what Marcus trying to say humbly and nicely to me and mace and in other words it’s telling you cut the [ __ ] you didn’t so in other words you

Cing you went to play against Hunter at Hunter High School you waited on the side for your turn to play and when you came in you just got run don’t act like you cut Mar Jackson’s ass and you know I’ll wait till till skip comes on and

You know what skip said he played against not saying he played against he said that’s like he played against uh Adrien orry or somebody and did a good move on him now he bust his ass that’s think people problem you may run past somebody or go cross over somebody and

Now that’s elevated to the next level I’m not saying that’s what he said he outright said ask you he said ask Mark so I asked him bass and he said get the [ __ ] out of here in a nice way that’s what Mark just said I love the way you

Remix St I love the way but let let me just touch watch the respect when skip comes on now now if you ask if you ask skip would he bust anybody you know behind it came out of New York City he to the core of him he

He believes yes but watch the respect that he gives me and I give him right watch the respect I’m giving Bassie even though he said that there’s no question about his greatness as a high school player and propelled to the pros and being drafted and and having a 10-year

Career there’s no I’m not here to hate on him I’m here to defend the guys that that he disrespected with his tone and his tener as far as answering the questions about about their abilities get this is not about that person against bass just show love and keep it

Moving he moved the needle and and the interview was absolutely incredible it was very entertaining thank you what I will say is this that uh usually Raa and I play me and Rafa played on the same team and Steph Marberry we all play against each other and with each other

And when skip said better than you who Skip Skip and Steph were they better than you they ended up being better than me this dude You a New Yorker yeah he ended they ended up being better than me at the I got the MVP Mark skip was in

Skip was in skip was in skip my man at laguadia house and he’ll come on we can verify it he was talking to the people the commissions on like how you gonna give Cam the MVP if you got to argue with the people about why you getting

Skip is Gonna Come on he’ll tell you oh wait wait talk to SK listen y’all might be on the same y’all might be on the same time listen you know let me tell you real quick so me and Steph me and I I told I don’t know if I said this story

On this show and me and you know I like to tease the guys and stuff so I I was talking to Steph one time on Twitter we was going back and forth about basketball on Twitter and I said Steph man I used to give you the business I

Used to bust your ass in high school and Steph replied to me and he said exactly cam you’re still a high school basketball player that was I said I said you won that’s I I had no reply for that cuz my career ended in my my career

Ended at Joo so I had no reply for that so but yeah I mean when we played look I sent stuff home as freshman year I’m a year older than stuff when we played in the PSL finals to go to the GS I sent stuff home that was me man had Senter

Against Lincoln take pack it on up pack it on up skip skip skip it he went to Cardoza pack it on up look they gonna be on here the the see the reason they win because they El they went to the next level and I didn’t so I can never say

That I’m better than those guys age 14 through 18 we can argue about it we could definitely argue about it and I’m here to argue about it with him but my career ended at 18 years old um see that makes sense because I I will tell you 16

Year old Mark Jackson against 16 year old Sebastian telare he’s a better basketball player there’s no question about it I I wasn’t able to do the things I I played on a freshman team and then started as a Southmore but I wasn’t the man then so he was better than me in

High school no question about it but there’s some guys like Kenny Anderson Lance Stevenson there’s some guys that that have a a legit argument with what they were able to do for a four-year period see that’s a different argument though Mark see because I have this argument all the time with different

People at me Skip and and Steph was 16 at the same time you and him wasn’t 16 at the same time and what happens year after year is the game elevates and you see people that make you want to do different things it was nobody in 1988

8889 it was nobody in the year 2001 2003 2004 who could dribble like Kyrie Irving and Kyrie Irving has to see people like Mark Jackson or Allan ainson or the point guards before him to want to do things that he does now and push the needle forward you know I I sit there

And argue with with with friends of mine they’ll say man them [ __ ] are 1959 I would have ripped Bob Koozie and I’m like people had to see a Bob Koozie or jery Wester Elevate the game so you can’t compare a 16y old Mark Jackson to a 16y old Bassie because you’re you help

Elevate the game to where they want to try different things so I don’t I wouldn’t make that comparison you wasn’t and y’all came from two different errors me Steph and Raa are at 16 17 at the same time so I wouldn’t even let you do that because the game gets elevated all

The time and you a part of pushing the needle forward so that he could do what he does now congrats to Bassie and all that he’s done and continue to do nothing but love man we not finished though we not finished do you think he’s the best player out of Coney

Island for a fouryear period or for a body of work for he’s only body work one we we going on a four-year period because obviously he didn’t have the NBA career that any of you guys had whether it’s Steph Marberry uh Kenny Anderson you um of course Tiny arall Kareem Abdul Jabar um

I don’t I think as far as NBA even Lance Stevenson had a better career than him to me in the NBA but he’s saying out of New York High School basketball he’s the best out of cone allenon con Allen ski to my L said that it’s an argument that he’s not even

Better than nor Marberry and he’s not even the second best so I was asking you your opinion on this situation about the best out of Coney Island I’m not gonna go as far as Marberry but what I will say is Stefon mberry is the greatest basketball player

To come out of Coney Island okay gotcha now before we get to some NBA who are your top five New York City basketball players coming out of high school man that’s a in no particular order either and well you’re gonna say Kareem Abdul jabal right new sender

Power Memorial yeah you know it’s he’s not just New York’s finest he may be the entire world’s finest in the discussion with LeBron or people like that coming out of high school he was absolutely incredible um Kenny Anderson is another guy that put in work uh put on a clinic

From the point guard position at Archbishop Malloy Sebastian tley I got to give him credit you I believe he won three championships uh starting as a point guard Lance Stevenson W four I mean these these guys are in the discussion because they won right um I

Tell you what when when I watched Chris Mullen play at at sarian high school in Brooklyn New York right um I was a Southmore starting on the team and it was like we might as well been the freshman team playing against them because they they were running circles

Around us because of his Brilliance and his impact on the game so uh it’s so many great players Lloyd Daniels right I understand what Sebastian T talked about tries and tribulations and he still made it to leag Lloyd Daniels was half dead shot up and made it to the league wow

You know he was a six seven legit six7 legit you know basically guy that could play the point guard could shoot could could pass could do it all so we we we’ve had out share of great uh players uh in New York City basketball history yeah and we got to stop leaving out

Kenny Smith out this conversation as well man Kenny Smith is he had a great career overall too I don’t know about how good he was coming out of high school because I didn’t get to see Kenny Smith’s High School uh career but just in general Kenny Smith is very

Underrated as a basketball player period we don’t bring him up enough coming out of high school and there other names people forget about because they wasn’t as flashy or may not have gone as far we have to give Ed Cota some props what up to Ed Cota Shand do mcneel Sherwin

Anderson uh it’s a lot of point guards and players that came out of New York that were really really good that help people get to the NBA like uh step on Marberry because they pushed them uh as far as they could push them when they was playing in New York City and skipped

The my so so forth let me let me just touch on Candy Smith because that’s my year right and uh we’re the same age and we grew up together and we’re friends to this day Brothers to this day uh absolutely incredible basketball player from day one spectacular he had

Everything you want in a point guard and and the difference between Kenny Smith and other New York City point guards historically he had a jumper as a kid so he could jump out the building and he had a legit jump shot and he was fast

That’s why he was a jet he’s no longer the jet today but he was the jet then but he was a special talent that I had the chance to play against in high school we had a Legendary game where he had 42 and I had 38 they won but

Ultimately my team won the state championship take that Kenny put your 42 points go home but I tell you what he was basketball that’s that’s what I like to hear Mark talk that talk that talk talk you really humble sometime talk that talk man no he’s still mad that we won

The state championship and lost to them it’s okay that’s the way it works you got to go home and we see you next time you a you got tell me about it m is still talking about his pass that I didn’t pass to him 30 years ago he was

Open though he was open though Mary had two points they was free throws he didn’t have a field goal the whole game I got 19 points let’s all right mean you know I’m I’m losing this argument about 70 to 30 that I should have passed this ball like the other

With other people a lot of people are hit me like Cammy was open listen man when you Kobe Bryant you don’t see nobody man you know Kobe might not especially when you 16 giving Stefon mberry and and Raa Austin work you feeling like I can’t be stopped listen

And that’s that game right there that game right there that that was the championship that was the year we sent step from home in the in the semifinals so uh and and listen man they know I tease them all the time Ray F skip I didn’t really understand basketball to

Be honest with you until I stopped playing basketball I was so emotionally involved and and you know uh what’s the word I’m looking for I was so emotionally involved and didn’t take time to ever step back and learn the game from a point guard position I actually you know we were running three-

Guard offense so I was basically a two guard and I would run the point guard when I had to but who’s going to draft if you’re not Allan averson who’s going to draft a 5116 foot two guard it just wasn’t going to work out for me but I

Didn’t realize that I didn’t realize that at the time but big salute to skip and um big salute to Stefon Marberry for those that don’t know um last night Stefon Marberry actually issued a response to Sebastian tord via social media on his IG if y’all guys want to

Check out what he said about Sebastian go to starbury on IG and you’ll see what he said uh he basically said that he’s not going to clap back at his cousin it was disrespect uh with Sebastian’s I guess older brothers that he wasn’t going to tolerate and he’s not going to talk

About it because that’s family business in a nutshell so um check out his IG if you want to see what he had to say about what Sebastian tford said okay and it’s looking like the conversation may continue because it looks like Mark and Skip might be on the segment together

Next but before we get into that we’re going to get into some of the topics right now so Miami Heat coach Eric spula agrees to an 8-year $120 million contract extension this is the most committed coaching money in history so what are your thoughts about the extension and do you think was granted

Correct well to me is welld deserved he’s a brilliant basketball mind he’s had an incredible run continues to have his you know uh leadership intact as far as they respond and react to his leaders ship he’s done an outstanding job from day one so I think it’s the uh it’s a

Great thing and I think it we’re moving towards payday like that for coaches because the way that these players are making the dollars that they’re making it’s awfully tough to to have a $2 million Doll Coach trying to tell a $50 million player what to do and and and

How to react and how to respond and how to execute the game plan uh so I think it’s it’s well overdue and it’s it’s a welcome sight that uh Eric spoler makes this kind of money he deserves it he’s had incredible success and I think others are going to follow that lead I

Think um if anybody knows who deserves it it’s Mark and that’s why it’s a pleasure having him up here um I have nothing bad to say about it I think that he’s done a great job uh very under I would say a very underrated

Coach but what I do have to say is this I think taloo is a great coach uh of course papovich you of course you um coach Jackson um I have two things Eric Eric spola and Doc Rivers can’t get it done without the superstars they get them there but they

Don’t get the job done uh Doc Rivers is considered one of these great coaches and you know and he’s you know and I and I I really don’t like talk talking about black coaches or GMS or anybody in that position because it’s hard to get jobs

In that position but we give Doc Rivers a lot of credit he has one Championship you know he went to the Clippers uh Lob City was there um you had Chris Prime Time Chris Paul Prime Time Blake Griffin uh Jordan was there and they run into into I’m gonna say it Mark Jackson’s

Team the go whether he was there or not the N the team and Mark Jackson put together and they couldn’t get over the hump Eric sper to me is kind of the same thing uh but he gets his team to the championship um but he never won without

LeBron James or Chris Bosch or Dwayne Wade uh I think it’s more of a testament to Pat Riley and the culture that he brings when he comes to an organization whether it’s the Lakers whether it’s the New York Knicks whether it’s the Miami Heat uh Eric spola is a direct Descent

Of Pat rally he was a he was he was doing the camera [ __ ] before he didn’t have any coaching experience and I’m not calling him a puppet or anything I think he’s learned over the years but you were under Pat Riley’s ring I believe Stan Van Gundy was there got the Miami Heat

To the Eastern Conference Finals with Shaquille O’Neal and got fired uh the very year he got them to the Eastern Conference Finals because I don’t believe and I don’t know this for fact this is all cameraon speculation that Stan Van Gundy had a vision and he

May have been giving Pat rally some push back what does Pat rally do all right see you later I’m gonna come here and Coach this team because I see we’re this close away from getting a championship and there was a lot of speculation that Pat rally was trying to catch Phils

Jackson’s record on coaching so on and so forth but soon as he got that Championship who steps into the f Eric spola the cameraman not the assistant coach not the person that’s on the bench every day the guy that’s doing the film and like I said there’s no

Disrespect to Eric spoler I think over the years you know the best teacher is experienced sometimes he gained experience being there but coming into the job he had no experience you’re under Pat rally and you’re the cameraman and you didn’t win any championships without LeBron James Chris Bosch or dway

Way you got there with Jimmy Butler a couple times which is phenomenal and B out of Bio which is phenomenal but you didn’t get the job done the biggest thing I take away from this whole situation is that I believe that he may have been getting this money previously

But the Miami Heat and Pat rally and the organization was smart enough and he was smart enough as well when I say Eric spola to wait till he got divorced to get this money now he doesn’t have to split any of this money with his wife that he already probably

Would had turmoil with or problems with It’s mighty mysterious 30 games in you know we’re not we’re not in the middle of the Season we’re not at the end of the season I don’t know what his contract extension is soon as you get a divorce the 100 M’s come

In P rallying a crew smart [ __ ] man salute congratulations Eric spoler that’s bigger than anything else to me about the about the whole [ __ ] could have been getting this money like like Mark just said you was well deserving of it but Pat rally said you going through turmoil you’re having problems it’s

Almost over right hold on five six months keep it that’s what I take away from it Mark okay let me I I I definitely can’t sit in and not say anything no that that’s that’s all cam right there that’s supposed to jump in and say something that’s that’s all you yeah that’s put

This all cam opinion no no I I respect the opinion and that’s New York City DOC doz won a won a championship with the with the uh Boston Celtics and did an incredible job right he’s a Hall of Fame basketball coach when it’s all said

And done because of his body of work and uh there’s no hate as far as I’m concerned we lost the game seven uh my last year on the road to the Los Angeles Clippers with Chris Paul Blake Griffin DeAndre Jordan Jamal Crawford JJ reic and all those guys uh I got respect for

Doc ruers Eric spoler Pat Riley won a championship and give Pat Ry credit when he picked him Eric spoler was the cameraman and I’m sure Eric spoler be the first to tell you you can call me cameraman at that point but he has he

Has changed the image of who he was as a basketball coach it was a for Pat Ry to pick him but he picked him and it was a home run higher Eric post has done everything that you can imagine Pat Ry thought he would do and surpass that as

A head coach and a leader for the Miami Heat now it certainly is a luxury having Pat Raleigh upstairs in the office putting a stamp on everything you’re doing but let’s not short Change Eric spoler in the job that he’s done he’s a Hall of Fame coach also so those are two

Guys I got respect for and continue to get it done on a high level listen what this why I Miss My Man murder you stat baby and [ __ ] you said the same [ __ ] I said in a professional nice political way and that’s what you po this is you

In St of the most professional people I see you ain’t say [ __ ] else but but I say in the most professional way except giving Doc Rivers his Hall of Fame career and listen he might be a Hall of Fame coach and you’re doing the right thing mark because that’s why you not

Care and this why I got the reputation I got I can’t go in every room you could go in every room in America because you said the same [ __ ] I said in a nice polite way and you and you made everybody look good and you cleaned it

Up but I said the same thing you said let me say what Mark just said Mark said listen doc Ries did win one championship and he’s because that’s your man I know it’s your man and and he’ll have a Hall of Fame career that I didn’t say that

Part but I’m pretty sure he will I said he won a championship and a’t won a championship since who’ he wion a championship with Prime Time Paul Pierce a prime time Kevin Garnett a prime time Ray Allen a up and cominging Rondo period didn’t win one cense then

We go over to Eric sper you sat there and said well Eric sper will say he’s the cameraman what did Cam say previously he was the cameraman and he what did Cam say he might have earned his way to be a head coach now but he has Pat rally over

Him what did you what did Mark J say but Eric smra did things to the right way and I’m pretty sure that he I said that same [ __ ] Mark you just cleaned it up you made it sound good we on the same page we we on the same page baby he you

Know what you my translator Mark you said you said for the best way for America to understand it and not Urban America for me so that’s why we a great team I like that you me you and stack y’all can clean me up Bo y’all two will

Make me look good because y’all are saying the same things that I say all the time man I think that was great Mark I’m trying to see where was me and Y what was different from what you said that I said just so I understand I left

Out the analytics as far as the divorce is concerned what are you doing all right cool well I just thought it was mysterious man I I agree with you Mark I totally agree with you 100% but that that is mighty strange soon as the divorce comes in that

Um h h some m is on the table man all his I know his wife like man what you think St um it is coincidental but I still think shout out Eric spola I mean I think here we go professionalism look at the professionalism he’s definitely

One of my favorite coaches and as far as the stats with the Miami he has 725 wins 109 playoff wins fifth all time he’s a three-time champion two as head coach seven time East titles and NBA Finals appearances can’t go past what Cam said cuz it is very coincidental and I know

That’s what people are looking at but at the end of the day he signed his contract he’s getting his money and that’s all that matters he’s still going to be coaching so so he’s a three-time NBA champion two is a coach and one is the cameraman so what I will say I say

That’s what you say sorry Mark I’m sorry no no no there’s nobody there’s no coach that wins without home run Talent right so we can make that case about everybody that has won a championship this is true this is absolutely true okay yeah Shout shout out Eric spoler pretty pretty dope um

But let us know what you guys think hold on though real quick home run Talent is SuperStar Talent you say right yes outside and I and I and we can argue about this and not right now not today do you think it was Superstar Talent OR great talent on the Spurs Superstar

Talent Tim dunan is is we can’t argue the big fundamental but Tony Parker played his role jobi played his role they were good good players I don’t know about outside of Tim Duncan I don’t know about Superstar Talent Allstar Talent absolutely Superstar Talent Tim dunan I didn’t say how many you win

T all time jobi Hall of fam but Tim Duncan is a home run player yeah you good boy that kid from New York you good man you good baby you’re right you’re absolutely right no argument okay moving along the Clipper sign qu Leonard to a three-year $152 million contract

Extension the team is also working on a new Paul George deal are they making the right choice absolutely again you win with Talent there’s no question about the greatness of kawh lennett Paul George James Harden Russell Westbrook these are Hall of Fame is why not while you have

The talent tie them up the only concern has been their heal and and and and and this year they have proven to be healthy and whole and playing great basketball after a rough start when the trade was made for James Harden so I think it’s the right move to tie those guys up

Financially and secure the future especially with the Clippers ready to move into a brand new building how how how long is the future mark because these [ __ ] is Young they not young what is the future what how many more years do you think Paul George and kawh Leonard

Have if we say five at at at a high level I mean they take care of their bodies I’m sorry no God I’m listening to you they take care of their bodies and they’re proven guys down the stretch of ball games you need guys that when when you’re talking about playoff basketball

And everybody is well aware what you are running offensively you need guys that can make a play and get a quality shot and they got three guys that’s as good as we’ve seen at creating offense for themselves and others I saw of kawh Leonard I don’t know who’s proving anything kawh Leonard

Is definitely proven he’s he he’s definitely proven he’s a he was he was the man on the Spurs actually when they won their last couple of championships he went to Toronto uh sent Joe lmb home crime with snotting in his nose and everything else and then end up win the championship I

Don’t know if they would have won that Championship if Klay Thompson and Kevin Durant gets hurt I don’t know about that but they won the championship only championship in this in this country of Canada outside of kawhai lenon and listen Paul George gets mad at me because somebody uh said that Paul

George was the goat and when they said the goat better better than Michael Jordan better than LeBron James better than Kareem whoever he was the goat all time so I told I said this guy must be on drugs fentanyl specifically maybe heroin I don’t know what kind of drug he

Was on to say that Paul George the goat so Paul George is like can why can’t be the goat why I can’t be the goat and we’ll let you be the goat because we can’t hate on what a kid’s dream is saying that you’re the goat no no no no

I got to stop you there again everything don’t need to re be remixed just tell the truth shame the devil Paul George is a great basketball player he’s a Hall of Famer they can win a championship with him he can create offense for himself and others he’s spectacular this just in

He’s not the goat and that’s I respect it’s okay it’s okay okay thank you you know and Stephen A Smith shout out to my bro Stephen A Smith when he was on our show he said the same thing he had a bunch of reasons why Paul George into the goat my

Question is because and and let’s take I just want to give you an example of what was going on you say your your exact words Mark was proven and I say while Leonard is proven who are the other two players that’s proven players that you talking about because there three other

All stars on the team outside kawh Len but I’m trying to figure out who else is proven and what’s your definition of proven because I don’t know who else is proven besides Ka Lenard well let’s take away Russell Westford because he’s coming off the bench but but he

Certainly is a proven he’s a proven guy but let’s talk about the other two guys and and and Paul George who was a franchise player with the Indiana paces and has been spectacular everywhere he’s gone was was almost was almost MVP in Oklahoma City uh he is he’s he’s legit

There’s no question about his ability to score his ability to defend his ability to create offense James Harden there’s no question about his ability to initiate offense for himself and play make at a high level assisting getting getting high percentage shots he’s made zubac a better basketball player just

For the fact of pick and roll basketball where he’s diving to the cup and and and getting him easy opportunities at the rim and offensively uh he’s spectacular so to me they got three guys that you can put the ball in their hands when it

Matters most and get a quality look so I I I don’t think that’s Up For Debate there’s no question about the greatness of those three guys once again Mark Jackson I will ask you what is the definition of proving what if he they proven that they know

How to play basketball they wouldn’t be in the NBA if they didn’t know how to play basketball they wouldn’t be Allstars if they haven’t done don’t know how to play basketball what have they proven I will say this the same same argument I was going to say with the

Coaches with with players in this league it is absolutely hard it is hard to win win games and it is extremely difficult to win a championship so I don’t believe that everybody that wins a championship is a winner and everybody that doesn’t is not I believe that Winners to me you

LeBron getting to the finals with that Cleveland cavaliere team initially Allen ivinson getting to the finals with that Philadelphia 76ers team and and and you know putting pressure on Shaquille O’Neal Kobe Bryan that Laker team to me that I can make the case that that feed

Alone is is is as great are better than some teams that won a championship so so I’m not I’m not strong on winning the championship to me Paul George qu Leonard Russell Westbrook James Harden they are proven they are absolutely proven and listen I totally agree with

You when it doesn’t have to be Rings and Things you sing about bring them out I understand that it doesn’t have to be about title town like M say let me ask you this then before we move on and go to break some guys who haven’t won a

Championship and I want you to answer this and I know it’s two different erors but I want to see if if what you have to say about this this is your expertise uh Paul George and this is a as a package deal um not together but

I’m going to ask for both players Paul George and James Harden are either one of them better than Charles Barkley or just as good no Reggie Miller I mean you’re close to home but they’re all in the room they’re all home yes or no Mark are they better is there

Even one of them better than Reggie Miller James Harden was an MVP James Harden you can make the case could have been an MVP multiple times and and not only is he a legit scoring title champ but he’s a double digigit assist guy I think we don’t give him enough

Credit enough respect because he’s absolutely falling short at times in the playoffs but he’s a he’s an outstanding basketball player I would say they’re all in the room and car Malone again they’re in the room Patrick G in the room okay cool I just want to see

Who you at it I’m cool with those I just want to see everybody you name think about everybody that you name is a hall of f a great basketball player no and I want specifically guys who I know are Hall of Famers that didn’t win championships that’s why I asked for

About those players because we were talking about you you made a great point I’m not big I’m big on championships but it doesn’t Define you who you are as a basketball player because you know it may not be in your favor to win a championship because you don’t have the

Best team but I name I specifically name Hall of Famers who I know are good and W MVP League MVPs before and when it comes to Carl Malone and when it comes to Charles Barkley and I want to see where you would put those guys with uh James

Haron and Paul George being that they haven’t won a championship so far so I just want to see the comparison that’s why I was asking and you hit I’m like Tito Jackson you went with Pat un regima I was I was with I was with Michael I

Can’t I did that on purpose just to see if you would go against your your boys man that’s that’s messed up I can’t do that you say that’s mess you were supposed to say no that they not better than I’m anyway what kind of teammate

Are you Mark come on man look I can’t I can’t kill Bassie for coming on their line and then I start lying I gotta tell the truth that’s what’s up that’s what’s up man consistency okay so we’re going to go to break and when we return we

Will be joined with Skip to My Lou and I promise y’all y’all don’t want to miss this pink horsepower baby what’s that why you walking like that that’s how that’s how I walk and then like you come on breathing on me like that I [ __ ]

Breathe to live and like you used to be dark skinned and now you act like hella light skinned are you [ __ ] blind I’m dark skin what what the [ __ ] and then like look at your beard the [ __ ] is wrong with stupid what the [ __ ] are you

Talking about no I don’t even like it the way you breathe in all of that has this ever happened to you your girl seems to be mad angry upset she’s frustrated it’s only one way to handle that pink Horsepower remember but your breath is really refreshing no no no no no I’m just trying to give you a massage Plus have I told you how good your beer looks lately it looks so good looks PHP it works every time wait where you going welcome back so let’s get into our

Underdog fantasy pics of the day the Knicks will play the Mavs Jaylen Brunson is at 38 and a half points rebounds and assist do you got him higher or lower points rebounds an assist 38 against the Mavs Kyrie Irving’s playing lower okay Julius Randall is at nine

Rebounds do you have him higher or lower he’s such a I’m going to go lower I’m going to go lower and Kyrie Irving is at 30 and a half points do you have him higher or lower yeah man that’s a good one listen real quick before I answer

That make sure you go to Underdog fany download the app they’ll double your deposit up to $100 so if you put up $50 they’ll give you $50 you co use codam right now four people that use codam is going to the Super Bowl y’all won over

$3 million [ __ ] with me and my picks this is what I do and what I will tell you is this Kyrie Irving is going to have more than 30 points tonight because Jaylen Brunson has been busting ass this is a real test because a lot of people they’ been said I may

Want Jaylen Brunson more than Kyrie Irving you know he’s a true point guard and Kyrie’s a headache and all this we haven’t really heard anything off the court about Kyrie since he’s been in Dallas it’s been a good move for him in Dallas when he was in New York it was

Just too much going on Amazon whole bunch of [ __ ] was going on I like kyen in Dallas because he could focus on B basketball he’s down there with my brother with up shamard and I’m going to go with more than 30 Kyrie do not make me look bad tonight there you go you

Heard it here first make sure to download the underdog fantasy app and you can make your pics too we are joined back with Mark Jackson and another special guest Skip to My Loop yeah yeah yeah I got everybody we got New York baby yeah what’s up what’s up

Yeah yeah look got everybody up here man Mark and Skip at the same time first of all let me say something real quick I’m so excited pors to have both of these Legends on the show at the same this is big for me pors even though these are

Both my brothers to be on the screen with these guys at the same time um it’s amazing for me as a you know uh Steph on MAR telling me I’m a high school basketball player but these are not only my fa my friends I’m also fans of these

Guys so this is a big moment for me for having both of you guys on the show thank you guys for both joining at the same time big Queen’s in the building big Queen’s basketball in the building Marcus the BQE Expressway skip just told me thank you guys for joining what I

Will say is this um skip is not smiling I don’t think he thinks nothing’s funny I hold on my earpiece came out skip is up here with the Afghanistan Bard and nothing but a straight frown on his face be he with his accolades in the background it looks like skip got a chip

On his shoulder but I’m get my earpiece back in and even when I introduced him it’s a FR like it’s a boxing match or a game about to be played we’ll get right into it uh skip thank you for joining how have you been brother man good man

Always great to catch up with my my childhood friend my back court M we play Bitties midgets yeah uh we got history brother that’s a lot of thing people don’t understand that you when you speak basketball you do know what you talking about because you play you play

Alongside some of the best thank you man you know what it is to skip that my basketball career ended so short and me and mace you know I went to and I’m not gonna get into me we gonna cut this short but what happened is um I got

Kicked out of Joo my first year when I got kicked out of Ju Joo at 19 years old at mace had a $2 million record deal waiting for him and we just became rappers we never tried to go back to school or anything else not saying we

Would have made it to the NBA or anything like that but when you 19 years old and $2 million is waiting for you in 1995 or 96 that would be the end of your basketball career as far as as far as me and ma is concerned but we don’t get a

Lot of credit because they know it’s only purely from rap so but thank you for letting people know that I really do appreciate that thank you brother absolutely uh let’s get straight to it when we got mark on the phone today part me on the call today on on the show he

Said he was very disappointed in me and mace for not giving Sebastian enough push back knowing that we know the history of New York City basketball and the names that Sebastian had called out uh Mark said we should have said something more and we could have and we

Probably should have but we wanted to let him get his story off his chest and his feelings and we know that he hasn’t had the best of times lately so we wanted to give him a platform at least to tell his story I spoke to you yesterday and you weren’t as nice as

Mark Jackson was today you were pretty upset and I’ll leave that for you to talk about cuz Mark definitely talked about it before you came on Mark went from Lloyd Daniels to K Abdul Jabar to uh Kenny Smith to listen Mark named about eight nine different players that

We didn’t name and you’re you’re very you don’t talk a lot skip you you’re about action you really don’t talk a lot so when I see you on social when I see you on social media going back and forth with people I say yeah that’s what you

Got to do you got to yo that’s what the [ __ ] you got to do stop let because you you you one of them guys skip like I ain’t gonna argue with [ __ ] go to the video tapee I’m gon put up in the park and give it to you that’s yeah yeah we ain’t

Gonna PA that NE yeah that’s what I’m talking about see the thing about this when Sebastian was talking about culture and I said to myself damn I I I’m not gonna stop it because I know people gonna pull up when we talk about culture we talk about

Somebody and and let me say this CU I want you to I’m I’m going to say a few things before I’ll let you talk skip skip R for Austin skip AKA skip the Maru I don’t know how the [ __ ] you got to the NBA cause C you didn’t go to high

School that much I don’t know you didn’t go to high school that much you you got in some type of way into Fresno State not only did you leave Fresno State you started this whole N1 mixtape [ __ ] to where people like Kyrie Irving said he wouldn’t be the basketball player he is

Without the N1 mixtape [ __ ] and then still had a great year career part of me in the NBA that’s how good you are because in that era you had to follow the right route you had to go to school you had to pass your SATs you had to go

To school to college for a certain amount of years and then you had to go to the NBA you skipped all the right ways to go to the NBA and still have a decent and great career in the NBA that’s how talented you are and that’s how much culture you push forward what

Do you have to say but I just want to let people know that and for those that don’t know go to YouTube and type in rafor Austin or type in skip the Malu or type in am1 and you’ll see everything that this man was doing uh before was a

IPhone or any phone period for for period for and listen it’s no footage on me playing basketball cuz I wasn’t that good I was good in my brain I was good you know and the reason why footage on skip is because the cameras followed him back then you had the bulky shits the

Camera you had to carry like this or like this that’s nobody was gonna buy one of them to invest to follow me around they followed him around with that big doofy ass camera that’s how good he was so I wanted people to know that skip um like I said Mark talked

About what Sebastian said uh earlier what do you have to say about Seb as saying that he’s probably the greatest player not only only out of Cony Island but out of New York City period like I I chimed in today and I said I I thought the man was high that’s

What I thought to be honest I’m I’m not should Cod I I don’t mean and I don’t mean it disrespectful with all with all due respect because my thing is how dare somebody like that who I give him the utmost credit and respect you had a phenomenal High School career I I say

That with respect not putting him over the lenders the Kenny Anderson the Pearl washingon and the list goes on my man sit right there you know on the other side is Cam Mark Jackson like but at the end of the day how dare you say that you’re the greatest in New York City

History with all this New York City history before you none of us New York New York City basketball players ever put ourselves ahead of the players of yesterday year players that came before us and that laid laid the foundation the groundwork for us there’s no Raa allson

Without a Mark Jackson without a rod strickling without a bu Harvey the list goes on and on how dare me as a young talking about I’m better than those guys I don’t care I give you a prime example when I first got into an NBA game was

Against Mark Jackson it was against the Pacers I scored six points you think I’m a call Queens God bless his soulmate rest in peace his brother was my best friend you think I’m G call Escalade like yo I bust Mark Jackson’s ass how why would I I

Scored six points on Mark forget the fact that Mark won and Mark backed me down and had 13 points and 13 assists that goes out the winner because I scored a measly six point on on such an iconic individual that’s the problem I have with Sebastian it’s like I

Understand that when you’re young you have this Persona and you have this feeling about yourself and we all in New York and everywhere we were we taught and raised to don’t say someone’s better than you but when you get to a certain age in life reality is reality and we’re

Grown men cut it short man Sebastian needed to pump his brakes if his brakes didn’t work go get touched by Midas no freak go you know I mean go to Midas get get your brakes fre and and and come back to the come back to the Drone board

With us and like I said I would love to pull up on Sebastian have a dinner let’s talk bro and we could talk our New York City basketball history man and I would tell him it’s no shape in no shape form and fashion can Sebastian telia mess

With me on a basketball court [ __ ] it’s not happening he can’t he can’t mess with Mark Jackson he can’t mess with Stefon marry these are guys that should be in a Hall of Fame that’s Mar jaon has Hall of Fame Mar Jackson has Hall of Fame numbers Stefon Mar has Hall of Fame

Stats they should be in the Hall of Fame and you got in you you you had an iconic High School career and all of a sudden you my NBA career is better than Sebastian tfield yeah talk that [ __ ] [ __ ] I’m just saying like it’s it’s says my thing

And I don’t like when people like Sebastian why this Market talk facts I could speak facts Sebastian you have no facts to back this up you were dominating High School back you you beat Midwood sheep’s head Bay whoopy doo do if you really want to get to your

High school career if you really want to talk about your high school you beat canari come on man right you were feasting on bottom tier PSA te like I’m just I’m just being actual fact right Sebastian we love you man but something’s off something’s missing I

Don’t know know and as your fellow New York City brother if you ever want to talk and you want us to pull up on you have dinner and talk to you man get you right we will man but we will tell you in your face you can’t mess with us

Man y’all two from y’all from some different parts of Queens cuz that was some hardcore Queen [ __ ] going on just now God damn n woooo right woo hold on my earpiece fell out on that [ __ ] right there boy and the man he talk about culture yeah I was a culture

Phenomenon and I had no idea that what I was nor did I care about it at the time because you know C I was 15 16 17 years old and they trying to say a prime example they try to say I was one of the greatest street ball

Player I tell people no I wasn’t what about the fly Williams what about the erl man what about those guys the Joe Hammond they one time they said I was the greatest player to ever play in uh rocker Park Dr J played there I have

Nothing on do J I ain’t got nothing on this man right and that’s what I’m saying about a guy like Sebastian Tere like come on man these dudes the people that came before you laid the foundation they even laid the foundation of what it is to be the greatest New York City High

School basketball player when high school basketball player when Marin was playing all that school basketball damn that every team from Capital School to was nice they was nice you got one team with Walter Berry you got Chris Mullen at one high school you got all these different schools

Pearl washingt at boys and girls like this the list when they was playing was crazy the list when me when you and I was playing when you was at Manhattan Center and I and I hate to bring this up but Mark we we scrimm them and I I

Scored 31 on Mason cam Richie par he tell me my brother cam my brother Cam and mace and them wanted to fight me because I had I moonwalk down the court dribing the ball one time and Mason C like yo you’re not gonna do that any man had

Center but that’s my guy you know I don’t remember that you do no this what we doing I was gonna let you this what we doing all right I I bought you the Rucker I had Coach Dave and them come get you and bring you the Rucker I brought you to

Legia I just told Mark you cried when I got MVP brought me theia house yeahia house when I got MVP when we was on the same team when I got MVP you went to the you was a commissioner talking about cam is really getting MVP you don’t remember

That I bet you know you because I think I had like 30 points it I must had 37 then I had to have 37 and see Cam and cam you you actually told on yourself because you said you brought me to the GU house and you got

To be go figure no I’m saying how they going to give it to the guy you what I’m trying see you’re not understanding see skip you you know what I’m going say is let yo Mark L guia house is down the block from where Cam and them grew up

From he has his own team this is what I’m trying to tell you see this is what I’m gonna tell y’all I want skip to go off I like this skip I like this skip right here skip usually be quiet I I like this skip now before we get back to Sebastian

What happened is this I brought all the [ __ ] because I played with Galo Riverside I tried to get [ __ ] that’s not from Harlem and come up town because I knew [ __ ] with money I knew [ __ ] who would pay these [ __ ] to come play so I I reached I reached out the booger

I would get I would call my [ __ ] skip I even call stuff on mberry sometime to come up town I’m like y’all [ __ ] you know and I’m not putting [ __ ] out there I’m just saying we was [ __ ] up so if we could play basketball and get a

Couple dollars I would reach out to my people so so I knew some people was a couple dollars and I bought skip up T I didn’t bring him there to be my teammate I bought him there cuz he was good I was just better that tournament and that’s that’s just what happened that

Particular tournament that I happen to be better that tourament skip went in the office and was like cam is really getting MVP that’s what y’all are telling me he wants to fight the commissioner that’s the only story I got up on skip he’s right he came to man

Center he bust our ass but listen nobody ever outright bust my ass if you had 31 I had at least 20 something only person that I will admit that gave me the business in high school outright because it was no scouting report on him and I

Was just confused is OTA I Ed Coda gave me the business I can’t give anybody else 100% of killing me besides Ed Coda it was no scouting report on OTA and when he came up to man Center I was trying to rip the kid cuz I thought I had good defense

And he gave me about 38 points skip he may be right I told skip this on the phone and um earlier when I was speaking and just like and all jokes aside just like um when I before he started talking I’ve never seen anybody but outside of Ali Mo and

Him who didn’t put the work in who was so good at a young age I know when he got older he got serious and put the work in but let me cut you let me cut you that’s because you guys didn’t see so okay because I’m in Queen remember only

Time y’all really saw me is when I did come to town and what happens is sometimes after we played whatever thas that coach St shout out to coach Sturman player whatever thas coach stur either I went back to Queens or I hung out with y’all right I mean God bless our God

Bless so our brother huy 6 we we will be running y’all have me running around Harlem I’m talking about we like we like little rug rap you couldn’t tell us nothing though that’s a fact right yes sir but I’ve worked on my game every day

In Queens go right again Mark I used to go in the house and take like 86 87 Mark Jackson games R Strickland games I used to watch these guys Relentless man so and to piggy back on your intro that’s how a guy like me plays 11 years in the

NBA because I studied the game tapes and the thing when when I play when I played for a lot of Coach NBA they couldn’t understand how that hell I already knew how to run your team I knew how to run the team because I studied the game

Tapes right I would put the depal game on I would put the St John’s game on I would put the North Carolina game on it didn’t matter what I went outside and did when I came back in the house I would go to my mom did you record that

Game put that put that VCR tape on I need to I learn I knew how to control Temple I knew what it is to understand time score and situation and that’s what like when we were coming up a lot of people saying well this kid is better

Than ra this kid is better than wfe whatever but they didn’t understand why I kept excelling and succeeding because I knew time going at a young age why because I I watch these guys do it on the highest level and and and you’re absolutely right I I’m sorry that I did

Say that the reason I thought you didn’t practice or may not put the work in is because you wouldn’t come to games like you we thinking we about to play cardo are skips skips not here oh skip we’re getting ready to play against Rivers whatever team you play for um aim high

Or whatever Skip’s not here we’re getting literally mentally getting ready to play against Skip and you never was there so I’m like skip off doing some wild [ __ ] and and see I’m glad you said that right and that’s my point to Sebastian tfir when you talk about

Somebody’s better than me right back in those days you guys got prepared for me that’s just facts that said Mark would you tell that says a lot this is true that says a lot you guys are getting prepared for a young teenager y’all braak y’all bracing yourselves it’s like

You know on the plane when you get the turb they start yelling brace for impact you guys were bracing for impact you guys like yo wait minut when this guy when this guy comes over the fball bridge we gota be waiting for him yo when he comes over the triar

Bridge yo some of y’all somebody somebody guard him from right there don’t wait them to get inside the building somebody go guard skip R remember I wasn’t skiing to to y’all I was you wasn’t never skipped to us ever ever you you’re right you you javal Jones all y’all gave my first nickname

Y’all called me sleepy because y’all say yo skip every y ra every time you come around you look like you sleepy this is true this is an actual fact y my first Nick you’re right the be Hest you was never ski to the N1 tapes and you you

Still rap from Queens that that’s super duper nice exactly this is fact exactly this is facts man absolutely in Mark’s house I’m not skipped to my l right mother if his mother if his mother St in the house his mother say raer you hungry right no question yeah right to

To to to people that know me go ahead Mark no no go ahead Queen you’re making Queens PR I was just to people that really know me right I’m not they never saw me as skip to Mal or that they saw me as ra that yo he could play serious basketball and that’s

Why I look at a lot of people even in New York C is like just because some of us didn’t have the iconic high school basketball career doesn’t mean I give you an example is J is Jamal Tinley terrible terrible basketball player because he ain’t playing high school ball

Right you know why he’s good ask Jamal as I tell y’all I study Mark Rod all these guys Jamal tend to tell you he’s younger than me he used to he was on my team in certain tours in Brooklyn he would tell you yo I watch Ray right

The thing I love about it the thing I love about it and I said before even skip came on the show I said basically skip is going to show tremendous respect and appreciation for everybody across the board he’s gonna show great humility definely did and that’s exactly without even talking to

Him a a year ago or whatever without even talking to him I knew how he was going to come on so hopefully Sebastian gets the memo and does not take this as hate but instead embrace this is how you treat people and this is how you show great respect rather than getting clicks

This is the way to get clicks and I will say this when you talk about changing a culture or being a culture impactful person there’s nobody this is a this is a a playground legend that made it to the NBA finals that was that was running a team this close from winning a

Championship that’s that’s ra for Austin Skip to My L Chang the culture to N1 an entire culture Chang where everybody was wanting to be a street ball Legend and he said it he came he was at my house with my with my younger brother and he was just raer but

The impact that he had cannot be denied and cannot be disrespected not at all and and and here’s the here’s the crazy about the impact that those guys had on me R shton tells the story all the time yo I went to rug Park to see ski to my L when I

Saw Rod sitting at Rucker Park on the thing I was like overwhelmed overjoy like man that’s Rod strickling right I don’t care what I’m doing out here I’m never gonna open my mouth and say I’m better than Rod stricklin I’ll bust R sh ass you out of

Your goddamn I don’t care how much I think about it fast forward to I will say this though skip I give you so much credit and you deserve a change in the culture but the strike against you is if Jay-Z W an MVP in a game that I was in something wrong cam

Won the MVP man thank you man I I listen I was like I have I have a few things to say I’m waiting for y’all to finish I have a few things to say no no no no no hold on skip hold on go back to the NBA

Finals please go back to the NBA finals go back go back to the NBA finals cuz I have a few things to say lose lose situations yo go back to the NBA finals because we I got a couple things to say because y’all guys are M I got another

Story I got another story about Cam and mace play we played Summertime Ball he gonna act like he don’t remember this act like he don’t remember my 31 points man I got I’m G tell you this other story it was myself it was myself Paul Ruck from Queens James Phil which is sty

From Queens we we came to this tment called UDC with five players we get to the park we playing against Maz Cam and all these guys we beat this we beat the breaks off these guys with five plays these guys are talking trash to wanting

To fight I we beat these guys with five plays he’s again he don’t remember this I don’t remember I don’t understand what’s what’s wrong with my brother’s memory I remember I remember things with him and I since 1988 but he don’t REM I don’t understand listen skip to the point mark

To the point mark we we got to we damn near got into a brawl in the park and it was like they were like 15 deep it’s just five of us and Coach Billy medley you know Billy medley Mark it’s five of us in Billy medley we had it was after

We done slaughtered him on the court I threw a punch at one of them guys on this team and we all took our run and caught the train just so happened the train was coming and just so happened the train was coming we we made it to

The train and made it back to for 15 dudes to get us right here now all you got to do Mark is call Paul Ru hit Paul you know Paul stey and they will tell you this this story is actual and factual man cam you don’t remember this

I couldn’t believe my brother M my brother makes my brother cam won to fight me I’m teammate I I’ll say this me and mace F each other when we when we played against each other we don’t like to lose I don’t remember what he’s talking about chasing [ __ ] to the

Train station that was some Brooklyn [ __ ] all them [ __ ] didn’t chase [ __ ] to the train station that was that’s when you have to go to Brooklyn that ain’t really even our style we used to have to run out of Brooklyn from Red Hook Brooklyn wherever we go play at the

Gyms yeah yeah yeah oh you remember that okay cool anyway one thing about us cam I one thing I say is we were Fierce competitors as young kids true 11 12 years old when we used to practice in that dirty basement gym in Salem Church yes we we didn’t want one person to

Score soon as somebody score somebody was saying man you score me one more time I’ll punch you your B that’s just who we was yeah this is this is very true this is nobody wanted to lose like I remember no and not just skip I’m

Saying we I went talk and like you said God bless the death my brother huie 6 and and I lived in Hud’s house four or five nights a week I would rather go sleep in the street than go to his house if I lost to him that’s how I would not

Go home cuz we stop talking yeah so at the end of the day listen I don’t remember UDC I’m not saying it didn’t happen maybe I just remember the good times maybe I do you do you remember you playing in UDC vaguely vaguely UDC my mom used to

Call it my mom’s used to call it convenient Amnesia no UDC was in the Bronx UDC wasn’t in Harlem so I do remember UDC it was in the Bronx but I I’m not skip skip listen I’m not taking nothing away from you whatsoever I’m just telling you when we played on the

Same team got a great story I’m see I got a great story I want to see if Mark remembers this okay because this this involves Sebastian T okay God bless us so Mark uh is in contact with my my I call him my Uncle Mike Ellis they were playing pickup in the

Gym I come in the gym it was I don’t know the white guy’s name that was running the gym I get there kind of late these guys is in the middle of they run I get there the white guys already laying into me I don’t care who you are

You coming in like I’m like Mark is ging me this the signal like Ray just chill chill all right I jump I put my shoes I jump on the court I’m on the court I’m playing Sebastian Tel is on the other team Jamal th is on the sideline pumping

Sebastian up man I don’t care what who Skip yo you go right at him go right I look at Jamal I’m like damn 5:30 me I thought we was cool brother all right Sebastian tries to hit me with stefon’s move I pick his pocket I do the skip

Move down the court throws about he lays it in Sebastian had a look on his face like he wanted to cry I don’t know if Mark remembers that but I I skip this is he said he was he said he came to the gym as as a high school kid and cooked

Us okay I Jacobs ran I know he that gy okay yeah what I’m with Marcus saying that Sebastian was on the show and told me to ask Mark how he came to the gym and cook Mark Jackson and Marc is like get the [ __ ] out of here basically he didn’t say

It like that I didn’t he didn’t no he definitely didn’t say it like that he definitely didn’t say I I’ll tell you I’ll tell you verbatim What Mark said he said come on man come on man that I said I translate that the get the [ __ ] out of

Here and stop capping that’s my translation that’s how I took it and and see I didn’t I I didn’t know that part so basically I’m validating Mark’s Mark come on man I’m validating that like I got to the gym late because like I said Mark was in contact with my boy Mike

Ellis and said yo basically tell skip that the runs this is where the runs is at because when I come home in the summertime after the season I don’t know where the all I know is to play in tournaments like one summer Mark was on

My team in two tournaments he was on my team in Rucker and we had games at Hunter College we end up in and we end up slaughtering these dudes at Hunter College winning the six foot trophies I think Mark did the same I did the trophy

I gave the sixo trophy some kid outside I’m like I’m not in the trophies anymore I just gave the little kid outside but the moral of story was Mark Jackson ra Raa skits also on the same back court and all these guys we was playing against and it it reality said into them

What the hell we gonna do to these two guys man what we gonna do what we gonna do with them man another problem and that’s my thing and that’s my thing with Sebastian even in the pickup Sebastian what did you you did nothing to Mark and

I got there late so I don’t even kind of but by the time I got that Mark was on cruise control I come in lace some out the the the I don’t know the guy’s name he’s laying into me oh you kind of my

Runs late and all that yo sir yo sir all right all right real real quick that was another problem that Sebastian had with what I said is that I was I was on Matt Barnes shout out to Matt Barnes in um sack five show and they asked us asked

Me who has the best players in New York City barel wise and what I told them was that uh Harlem would never have the best players cuz soon as the game’s over it’s too much [ __ ] to do we’re not focused nobody’s helping us out we’re rolling

Dice we’re going to mess with it’s a 100 things to do so we’re not even in the top two or three I said the Queens had the best basketball players that’s Cameron’s opinion that queens has the best had or has the best basketball players in New York City it was another

Hellfire cam you out your damn mind Brooklyn got the best basketball players nobody yeah so my answer was Queens what do you guys think about that burrow wise yeah tell me I’m always say Queens I’m always say queen but I’m being by but it’s it’s tough to say man and and Mark

Has a better handle on that type of stuff because they with what I was gathering growing up they was trying to say the Brooklyn side at that time in from 80 or 70s late 70s to 84 85 the Brooklyn side had the best play is what they is what I

Gathered as I was coming up through the ranks uh in Queens and and you know but you couldn’t tell me nothing about Queens that’s that’s just how it was yeah for me I’m I’m a I’m a guy that you know represent both Brooklyn and Queens

So I would be on both list uh so I’m proud of I don’t think pick between the two so gotta a lot of great a lot of great history and a lot of great players well listen man I’m gonna we’re gonna um I want talk about one thing NBA before we

Get out of here a couple things because we got about five minutes um first of all thank you guys so much for your Insight and what you guys done to the for the game not only professional High School uh coaching with you mark uh uh analyst and Raa what you’re doing I want

Before we leave too ra I want people to know what you got going on it’s it’s been a pleasure to sit down with somebody I looked up to and admired my whole career I had no idea that you and raef had the relationship that you had I

Didn’t even know you guys knew each other but raef like he said we known each other since literally 11 12 years old maybe 10 years old and ra we spent the night each other’s house or rather he came I never really with the Queens he would come that’s been out your house

Your house yeah he come to HUD House of javal’s House of Co stm’s house and it’s just been a pleasure to sit down and talk with my childhood friend uh because we haven’t really got to hang out too much as adults even though we have some

Time but this has been this has been a great great episode for me man and and I would love to do this again man I know Mark’s coming back on hopefully one day R soon we can get you back on again and um leaving out um Sebastian man I I they

Said what they said [ __ ] that’s that they said they said what they said [ __ ] lastly before I have um one NBA question for both of you guys um earlier skip said that when the plain Land We brace for impact nah [ __ ] n we know I wasn’t

Going that slide [ __ ] said it no you just said that calm the [ __ ] down what I told you was no no no I let you talk this whole I shut the [ __ ] up the whole time I gotad man I let you talk for 77 minutes

I didn’t say [ __ ] I sat here this is why you brought me on the show this is true this is true g g that’s a fact I want you to talk your he listen skip the door’s open for you hold on real quick want to say but the door’s

Open for you anytime you want to come up here goad cam this is what I’m trying to tell you and you said it best I was never a person to toot my own horn that was that’s not me that’s not how I was about action but I’m I’m older now can

The day they put me in since the day they put me in C all all the way to to I I want to say the NBA but all the way till we got a little older I say what I gota say you was on high alert when Raa when

They said yo who play with St Catherine who’s playing with St Catherine oh they got Yo listen what I was gonna say is this when he was talking about bra from Impact this is what I say Raa Stefon Marberry and Felipe Lopez were the names you wanted to kill

Because those were the names that whether it was uh what was his name God bless today C what’s the um white guys who used to be Kowski Tom Sakowski them were the premier players in New York city so when you had a game against Raa when you had a game against Stefon

Marbry and when you had a game against Felipe Lopez you like yeah thomon salski is gonna be there time to bust ass nobody was bracing for [ __ ] [ __ ] we was on we was on that type of time we was ready [ __ ] we knew we was gonna lay in

The plane we was going to L the plane we was going to land in the plane [ __ ] is you talking about it was a hostile take over we going to land a play [ __ ] other nobody BRAC for [ __ ] we knew thomon was gonna be there we knew

That th sski was going to be there and it was our turn to get our recognition because y’all three was the time the prime time players and we needed to shine for two minutes that’s what that’s what was going on [ __ ] yo you like I tell Sebastian talk about the guys I

Ain’t getting high [ __ ] I’m just saying when you say when you talk when you talk about the wreck you the the the the what you was doing talk about when you did it against guys like brand dice park west talk about those schools but when you

When it come you didn’t play Skip you didn’t come to school I couldn’t play against you you played one time in school what I’m saying so don’t you can’t say you correct against me even when we played in in those Park tournaments all that listen skip skip

They came to Queens to get me they came to Queens to get me for boys of yester year I destroyed you people har I’m talking about Harlem not you Harlem okay they came and got me for Each one teach one I destroyed them them Harlem people they came and got me they

Even he know see I’mma bring you back full circle I’m never Deni your greatness first of all the revolution even came and got me Mark in 1987 when you when you was destroying the Big East you know when you were averaging like 17 points per

Game and 10 assists a game in the Big East and 19 they came and got me for small fry small fry yes yes they needed my help they they they came to J Southside Jamaica Queens Mark they can I get a tournament at SK heyo skip can I

Get one or two tournaments God damn man give me give me a two tournaments at least skip for me let me get two tournaments man God damn man I forgot about boys of yesterday year man goad you he [ __ ] you won man G you won man

You got a lot of Tong with me man you got you got you got winter Citywide with me when they to play that song Somebody gotta win somebody somebody got to win somebody got to lose that’s a fact and and and and and and we lost the

Championship and we wanted to break the record the W the record player we want to break this is true this is true we definitely want to do I hated that song when you lost when you lost that song you got summer you got summer Citywide

With me you got you got little LS with me in Trenton New Jersey yes this is true we we got we got a lot of we got a lot of stuff together brother you know what I just you know what do at these times Mark at these times I’m talking about you couldn’t

Tell my brother Cam that he wasn’t gonna be a basketball player time so when he became a rapper when I was in college he was a rapper I’m I was I was caught off like oh hell no he yo this dude was he was want to be a basketball star this is

True this is true where did these lyrics come from like look at my brother with these lyrics this is true this is true hey man listen I maybe I just remember lagio cuz I got MVP I forgot about little LS and City wives and all the

[ __ ] you got the MVPs and I’m sorry man I I my bad you know we never I never talk about and and and we got to get ready to go big shout out to booger Smith cause Rael bought him up to me the other day all of man yeah shout to

Booger Smith before you say something I got another guy that reached out to me man and this is how I remember mace because this guy this name I’m G tell you Cam is is special to you special to me ESP special a lot of us that played

At young life right because him and this him and this mace and this guy they sound alike that’s how I always remembered mace Marquee he reached out Marquee Pilgrim Marquee Pilgrim absolutely Marque Pilgrim he he reached out to me other day he said yo Brave do

You remember me I said I will never forget you none of us ever forgot you right and I want to just say that before you was giving the shout out I love booger is my guy I reached out to him all the time to see how he doing he was

Booger was exceptional with that basketball but nobody know this guy and and Mark I gotta tell you and this how we I pay homage guys none of us was touching this young kid when we were eight nine 10 years old this kid Marque Pilgrim this kid was different Mark

Jackson this kid was and well I came they G they came and told me to come up town to play with young life and I think I’m doing my thing and this kid is on the court I’m like what is that he just did with that basketball what did he

Just do n was this kid was so special man that this kid went to he this kid went to Five Star Basketball Camp and told told him people I wna I want to play one-onone with isah Thomas yep and Isaiah Thomas man yeah at at 10 years

Old now mind you and mind Mark Jackson all these guys are my Idols but I wear them 11 because I thought I wanted to I thought I was Isaiah Thomas that young man was Isaiah Thomas at a young age and I said yo this man Tech he reached out

To me the other day and I said I damn had tears in my eye like I would never forget you brother and this kid and this kid that he’s talking about he’s from Harlem and his career this is how impactful he was Mark his career was

Over at 13 14 years old like he from 8 years old to probably 13 years old this kid was ridiculous and and for remember it might have been over at 12 yeah it might have been over at 12 so if you almost and we in our late 40s to

Still remember this kid that’s how good he was man yo yo really thank you guys and Skip you know I’m just [ __ ] with you I know I never could [ __ ] with you on the court I’m going to hold my one MVP whether was favoritism or not but I

Never can mess with you guys on the court y’all guys are living legends and before we go um I can’t thank you guys enough man I was going to give a shout out to Charles Jones as well too I haven’t spoke to him in big shout to Charles Jones um what do

You guys because we talked about Noba one last thing and I know um Mark and I wanted to ask you this to and I ask you to Rafe what do you think about Golden State right now where they’re at and what needs to happen when Draymond Green

Comes back for them to even get in the playoff picture asking me is tough uh and to talk about them in mark sitting there that that’s tough but anyway I can’t say they’re going to win a title I think they run their reign and their run is over they might prove me

Wrong but judging from you know Father Tom is is is 5,000 BC and0 for all the time you’re not beating them and I just think the run is over to me golden state was there they were aiding and beding uh Green’s Behavior by them never wanting to suspend him for all the stuff

He did in the past he in his mind he probably felt well I can keep getting away with this right so you and and he was to me as good as is I love him he’s part of the demise he’s part of the demise you you you you’re you’re you’re getting these

Technical fouls you’re getting ejections we’re sitting here trying to battle in you’re a big part of what we do he’s a huge part of what they do right they go as he go because as as as Stephanie mcaren he does all the intangible he rebounds he’s playing D he can push the

Ball off the from get get the ball off the rim to me in my personal opinion this is my personal opinion at some point you you got to think about blowing it up and and getting some fresh bodies some uh some some other players some veterans or some other young players in

There and just clean clean it up a little bit I I don’t think you get rid of Steph I think you let him retire as a as a Golden State Warrior um I don’t know about clay I think you’ve let him retire as a Golden State Warrior too but but

I can see them maybe wanting to move off because they didn’t want to I don’t think they didn’t give him the contract yet that he was seeking he didn’t sign a deal with an offer or whatever but my thing is well hold on hold on hold on skipping

Like I said I want to get too deep he just just signed last year four years 100 million dollars and it seemed like they sided with him I know with Jordan P um they resign they resigned Wiggins they resigned po they got into that altercation it seemed like they would

Never get over that altercation because it became public and people kept talking about it huh pardon me that’s tough to get over no I’m not say listen what I’m saying is this to get over hold on hold on hold on hold on skip I’m not saying it is I’m I’m not

Saying it is tough to get over but they gave away their future that they just gave $130 million to and exchange for Chris Paul however the trade went for more age on the team so when you’re saying blow the team up I understand what you’re saying but they just

Resigned Wiggins and just resigned Po and that was kind of their youth moving forward and he just signed an extension four years for 100 Mill $100 million I’m I’m not disagreeing with you I’m just giving you the what’s going on as far as contractor is concern is concerned right

Now right now there are talks that judging deciding whether to keep uh Wiggins or or let kaminga develop to be the small forward that that’s a big talk right now that’s a big talk behind the scenes going on with those guys right now it’s like do we decide if kaming if

Kaminga is our guy at the small forward or is wigin gonna be our guy um I love wig it it look are they gon bre real are they gonna make the playoffs this year it’s not I don’t think it’s that hard for them to make the play in I

Don’t I don’t see that that being hard it’s I mean unless they have more injury if they get some more injuries they they just tough but right now they they they’re not that far back from the playing the playing slots it’s not hard to let’s see what Mark Mark what do you

Have to say about it yeah I know you wasn’t gonna end the show without getting to me I know [ __ ] got get the OG man come on man no I I I’ll say this they they they are not that far from a playing Team uh and you have Steph Curry and you have

Championship spirit and mentality they have a chance what they did with the pool trade for Chris Paul you talked about they got older they also got smaller so they have a problem defending protecting the rim and don’t have the versatility to switch and all of that

And then to touch on the Draymond Green situation what I don’t like is everybody pointing the finger at Draymond Green deservedly so but there’s some accountability across the board with the league with the referees with ownership with coaching with teammates that all have co-signed one thing that the legend

My my partner Jeff and Gundy always talked about do not accept in winning what you would not accept in losing they tolerated it for years and it has come back to Biden unfortunately AB hopefully and prayerfully Draymond Green comes back and he’s healthy and whole and conducting himself in the right manner

He’s he’s owned held himself accountable and now we we we we expect to see him back on the court hopefully soon thanks Mark and and thank you skip skip Mark hope hopefully we’re g to check with you hopefully he’ll be back next week Mark has a few more episodes

With us on it is what it is also his new show will be coming out in the next few weeks look like for Mark Jackson’s uh he has his own show coming up skip let the people know where they can reach out to you find you and what you got going on

So if anybody’s looking for you if you want to be found uh they know what you got going on real quick I always want be F always man but just you catch me on Instagram usually try you know uh I’m usually in on the Instagram ra for 724

Austin sometimes I’m on my Facebook uh I do a lot of coaching in Houston coaching the youth kids Au ball 15U this time I’m G coach my son’s 15U I hope I don’t have to coach my son because he’s a starting point guard freshman on vity so I don’t

Think he should be playing his age group uh Mark you could you could you could text me and tell me what I need to do with my son you you know better I like I said when me when Mark and I was younger if we was playing V there’s no way we

Playing with our age group is is that to me that’s just a step down that is my son what’s the name of the team that at your coaching and where yall playing at this I I would merge him with the team is called KO Elite out of Houston I’m G

Put him merge him on there and just you know uh they’ll be they’ll actually be on the Puma circuit so I guess this year they got four circuits ebl Adida 3ssb uh underarm and the Puma circuit he’ll be I’ll let him play in the Puma circuit if

He’s gonna play with me but if he’s not gonna play me he’ll be on somebody’s circuit somewhere so I hope he’s on someone else’s circuit not playing with me with the 15s cool yo guys I can’t thank you guys enough I know we we stayed on longer than we usually do but

This was very necessary um I can’t thank you enough Mark every time we get together it’s been Sensational I look forward to seeing you again next week skip the doors always open to you my brother man it’s been a great trip down memory lane I love when you come talk

Your [ __ ] give your give your opinion on how [ __ ] was talking crazy the last few days cuz everybody up here listening purely enjoyed it and I’m pretty sure that everybody that watched it today is going to enjoy it thank you guys Queens New York City NBA basketball royalty and

Legends thank you for being on the show and we really appreciate you guys both Mark Jackson great for Skip to My L Austin salute yes salute man thank you y’all yes Skip and Mark it was a pleasure to have the both of you guys on

The show but that’s all the time we have for today thanks for watching and as always it is what it is like when they doing d