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Qi10 MAX VS G430 MAX 10K // Battle of 2024’s Most Forgiving Driver!



Today, Ian is in the bay battling out a head-to-head comparison to find which 10k driver is the longest and most forgiving for 2024.

Will it be TaylorMade’s Qi10 MAX or PING’s G430 Max 10k?

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TIMECODES:
00:00 – Introduction
02:26 – Taylormade Qi10 Max (7.5° Loft, Accra TZ Six 60 M5)
05:00 – Ping G430 Max 10K (7.5° Loft, Accra TZ Six 60 M5)
07:11 – Taylormade Qi10 Max (7.5° Loft, Accra TZ Six 60 M5)
08:41 – Ping G430 Max 10K (7.5° Loft, Accra TZ Six 60 M5)
10:31 – Results
13:13 – Final Thoughts

LINKS FROM VIDEO:
PING G430 MAX 10K DRIVER REVIEW // Most forgiving driver ever?: https://youtu.be/DcfN44T4ApQ
TAYLORMADE Qi10 DRIVER REVIEW // The Stealth Killer?: https://youtu.be/HuTkMDUtElA
ARE YOU LEAVING YARDS ON THE TABLE? // Maximize Drives with Tee Height: https://youtu.be/D5mZ472HqE4
SLICE AND ANTI HOOK DRIVER SETUPS // Never Slice Again!: https://youtu.be/mIMPNzGCzVE

Some felt we were maybe unfairly critical on the max products 10K and nqi 10 let’s see if this thing can improve us wrong Max forgiveness where’ you strike then I don’t know I just know how hard I had to work to to sort of save it just

Watching the shape and kind of the consistency of it I mean this ping just looks automatic the same shape every time all right guys welcome back to the channel today Michael we’re starting to refine our thing on some of the new products for 2024 last week or certainly into this week as

Well we’re still really getting our heads around what the 20 24 lineups look like we had tailor made last week obviously ping cobra with had some new Muno irons pxg came in the start of this week so we are just getting our head around what has been offered yeah the

First I think couple tests there were some maybe head scratchers in the beginning um yeah just finding your feet with things yeah I mean people ask me oh what’s driver of the year I’m like relax it’s January 15th or 14th whatever day it is what’s driver of the year and why

Don’t you like this one yeah yeah um so this this will be an interesting video because we’re going to fine-tune a couple of them and compare the the max versions of drivers well I think this year uh the buzz term is 10K no doubt about it right the the marketing award

Comes to whoever thought that relaunching the term 10K congratulations you win yeah congrats right so um people are curious and it’s all keep getting uh asked about ping Qi 10 Max specifically those two uh I would actually have loved to have added in the pxg the new Black Ops Standard Version

To this cuz it is another one that is uh 10K into that 10K category but we’re going to start with these two okay good place to start good place to start we’re at number two in Dubai here at the mulus course not not the easiest driving hole in actually not

Really a driver hole Yeah Yeah you you probably would hit something down there like I don’t know 3 wsh to leave yourself 900 yards in that that’s the ideal way to do but we’re going to test the we’ll change it up the max of these drivers max out good term okay what we

Going with first boss man we’re going to have two goals with each round one Qi 10 is going to start okay I like it okay PR qi1 Max yeah Loft it down a little bit we’ve lofted it down some felt we were maybe unfairly critical on the max products 10K and and Qi

10 by saying that we didn’t really feel if they were necessary yeah this whole Band-Aid kind of concept I still stand by it I really do I genuinely do because we can’t all of a sudden start to change our mind on the laws of physics wait further back in the

Driver meaning that we’re going to present more Dynamic L we’re gonna sort of have that you know sort High launch sort of look to it we’re not changing our mind that we’ve said it all along so it’s the fact so we we are now though dialing these into some more specific

Lofts yeah we’re going to play both these drivers today 7.5 Loft so that’s what you and I play anyway I play 8 degrees at eight you play eight at eight upright yeah so that’s what should be far test okay tight hole you certainly don’t want to be right no little drop

Yeah you kind of got to you’re stand up here with some confidence in your driver if you’re hitting driver so we’re going to start with Tade I did find that with this Max I could just turn it over a little bit too much it’s okay though you play get

Get so the worry if you don’t quite shut the face when you aim that far right even though the last one that you hit that kind of turned over for you that that spin kicks up Peak height goes through the roof at 7 and a half

Degrees tough to tough to keep those in that isn’t it yeah at the left and the right SC with this thing better then short sounded better okay round one with that g430 10K y let’s see if this thing can prove us wrong well let’s let’s start with it’s

No longer how it was last week correct yeah yeah this is now in the fitted in a fitted kind of scenario and it might not live up to his name any or it’s not a 10K right cuz this is no longer 20 this is 22 G now so it’s now d4.5

Whereas last week it was Z Z felt like a tank so let’s see try not to look at the numbers to be honest try just treat it like a golf hole just stand up there see my shot hit the shot the last one was really good does

One feel easier to turn over both being kind of like a Max model this one p n day okay Max forgiveness where’d you strike that I don’t know I just know how hard I had to work to to sort of save it like it looked like a nice flight

Though the nice thing with this one is and I know that we’ve tweaked the weight of this peak Height’s still pretty high not as high as what Max was Max was like 150 145 but at like high spin yeah this is this has that kind of high launch low spin in

It just hit that shot for fun all day it’s a nice little tight draw isn’t it okay try not to look at the numbers get some different strikes going on with this one as well though yeah it’s not all all As Good As It Gets okay all

Right down a t height down a t height and back to Qi 10 yeah okay feel like to give Qi 10 a chance High te not working no okay even with the high te it’s still High yeah it’s still high that was sounded like a better strike it was a

Better strike that’s performed similar to the Ping now okay good still a fraction spin here another good one then maybe little spinny again yeah stay there hanging on playable mhm you try to start that up more up the right side yeah feel like a head it maybe a b

Better though yeah more Center still a little low sounded closer yeah Dan go to the last one was it not mhm okay Michael final run yeah back to the back to the 10K our good pal Cody was saying you were smashing it you were hitting it

Pretty good I know you’re not looking at numbers I I’m not looking at numbers I’m not I’m paying attention to shapes and like if I was on the T testing two drivers working with a rep that’s yeah I wouldn’t be looking at numbers I wouldn’t be caring about numbers numbers

Would come later look at look at just watching the shape and kind of the consistency of it I mean this pain just looks automatic the same shape every time let’s see last run swing really good swing can just put that one into this like little slot just towards the end of the Fairway

Return a little bit too what I liked it though yeah little too much left just a a tad that’s all right get out there I quite like that one it was quick too you wouldn’t hate that result in this hole no back stay there popular spot

Yes it is a popular spot I hit that pretty decent strike it felt good that’s a good one again we save her with the hands Mikey but that’s a Fraser cart path right there I know I know creature it okay young Michael let’s let’s start

Here let’s not um let’s not start on the results page from a distance perspective let’s look at dynamically what is what’s going on yeah I mean you’re low strike for both heads um Club head speed is very similar that Dynamic L angle with the qi1 max technically is a little bit

More upright um you know attack is attack is close to being the same g430 a little bit higher um and path is is right around the same spot you struck both nicely I just think again that pig Max just was so automatic every single

Time this is an odd one cuz like you you balance both clubs out you had both within half a swing with point of the other d45 and D5 again more more weight in the back I mean it has the fix weight in the back the tail made has more of a

A larger overall mass m let’s let’s head over here where it matters I mean just version closer to Center Line and it looked that way didn’t it better spin though the one worry with qi1 Max for me was if you Struck it higher not as low as like most

Of them MH you got this 145 ft in the air 150 fet in the air and a spinny driver right um and that’s what’s eating your distance when we tested this last week it averaged 162 yeah so you take that weight out and it’s quicker yes

Yeah it feels it m it really does and when you when you kind of fit this and it’s also turned down a loft yeah yeah right we went from 9 to 7.5 turn all the way down it sounds different even on the strikes like when we tested last week it

Sounded sluggish and yeah definitely better and that’s what like to me it just I felt like there were some really I’m I’m actually really surprised the Q wasn’t higher yeah I felt like as I was hitting them I’m like well they’re going to the Moon g430 uh was was a little

Flatter but it’s not but in terms of a ball flight I mean love exactly what you want that two 300 yard Baby draws all day long yeah there’s going to be a lot of people gravitating towards a fitted one of that now I’m not going to go back

In what I said I still think a g430 Max fitted I know I can do that with a g430 Max 100% right same head turn down um move weight a little bit more yeah yeah I I know I can do that so but is if you

Want it to be just sort of automatic and very forgiven yeah that’s that’s a really really good driver those numbers are great MH like anyone looking at sort of good gamer numbers 136 and 24 sign me up and tight tight you know standard deviation with it as well without a

Doubt so Battle of the bigin that’s what we’re going to call this one Michael people are going to have to look up big bigan look up just not in the Urban Dictionary you might get something else but qi1 Max versus g430 uh Max is it Max

10 no Max tanky hi tanky um yeah I think there’s a little bit more under the hood of the Ping I agree it feels like yeah adjusting that weight playing around with the fitted shaft the shaft we have in there is a little bit more counterbalance so that helps with you

Know the Ping head weights as well it to perform today definitely definitely got better that was good felt good actually felt good standing on the on the uh in the sort of you know hitting area there hitting it it felt really really comfor uh good stuff okay guys let us know your

Thoughts we’re trying to kind of get to the point where we can understand our limits with these uh or fitting capabilities with these drivers obviously we have some weight which we played with with g430 uh 10K we don’t have that with the tail so we take the

28 gam out we put the 22 G in change the swing weight it just brought it to Life For Me Yeah Yeah just felt like I could swing it I mean that speed difference from 162 last week to 166 this week you’re really you’ve not jumped in like

A speed Journey or anything like that you’re just kind of working on your game so to see that increase in speed with that little change is is impressive good stuff isn’t it okay guys let us know your thoughts um I would assume that most of you have not got out yet to test

The new drivers so does this change your thoughts does this change your mindset maybe changes ours a little bit again this is what the process is all about I don’t feel like we really truly understand these drivers until we’re several several weeks down the line we’re actually working with them day and

Day out so these are new for us as they are for you so we’re we’re learning what they’re like once we sort of put them into the fitting environment which is why they need to be fitted definitely they do all right stay tuned for more guys we will see you again Soon

27 Comments

  1. Great test guys and getting the New Year off to a good start. I’m going down to see Joe and Dane once they get all the new gear in and hopefully get a new driver, wedges and a putter sorted out. Loving my irons I got fit for last year and excited for the season ahead. Hopefully you got plenty more head to heads before try all the new products.

  2. Clear winner the ping. Not that I will part with my £££ though… 90-95% still down to the user ultimately

  3. Honest video! My conclusion which validates my longtime overall thinking is that purchasing a driver without going through a proper fitting is a complete gamble.
    Unfortunately, there aren’t many qualified fitters around. And while I expect pushback on what I just stated, that’s the reality I’ve encountered over the last 15 years.
    I either go down to 2nd swing in Columbia to see Kevin Kraft or would have to fly up to Toronto and see Ian.
    Every other fitter I’ve interacted with can apply a methodology to get you to optimal numbers if you turn out to be a run of the mill
    Subject. If you are a special case, you are screwed. They won’t be able to figure it out. A perfect example was Ian’s 10 hdc fitting a couple day’s ago where very early on in the fitting Ian went from T150 to T100 and went to a much heavier shaft completely against what the methodology would call for. Now that’s art!! And most filters are no artists!!

  4. I'm curious to see a black ops v. Ping 10k. People are saying Black Ops is the driver to beat in '24

  5. Love the content as always! One suggestion: I would really like to have a person with 100mph swing speed (with a similar skill level) testing alongside Ian. Mikey used to be great for this, but he got too fast 😯

  6. What I’d like to know is the difference between the g430 max and the 10k. The 430 was the most forgiving driver last year, is there really much left?

  7. Taylormade needs to ditch the carbon and get back to making competitive drivers. AI Smoke Triple Diamond is the hands-down winner! lol

  8. The Ping is a "completely" superior product. Hitting both. There is no contest. TM is probably already scrambling to do better

  9. GUYS… all with love MIKEY WELL DONE !! FORGET YOUR GOLF YOU LOOK SO… GOOD IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA NOW, its really a pleasure to watch!! Also mikey your swing looks good but hey it was never bad. Keep going going guys love it!!

  10. Would be interesting to see which technology is more forgiving, the AI face or the 10K MOI. They both aim for better results on off-center hits but in completely different ways. So a test comparing one of the 10K's to the Paradym AI Smoke would be very interesting.

  11. This was a great vid – seeing 10K vs 10K in a fitted head/shaft combo shows where the gains may arise. Nice one lads

  12. Is the Qi10 Max a direct replacement model for the Stelath2 HD or have they abandoned the draw bias model altogether?

  13. Nope, doesn't change anything for me. These might be the best option for someone buying "off the shelf" clubs, but a properly fitted drive will optimise outcomes regardless of whether it is "the most forgiving" or "the longest" or "the lowest spin", etc. You want the best driver? Get fitted for the best driver for you. See? I've been listening 😉.

  14. Question for the 430 Max10k (I assume you were using a counterbalanced shaft) – what was the swing weight with the 28g weight?

  15. Ian – you’re not usually so low in the head. Is there something about this type of head shaft combo that you feel influenced the low strike?

  16. 10k is the best driver I have hit all year. Hands down. The more fits I see. The more people are loving it

  17. Why can't Ian hit the middle/middle high part of the club face? These were all thin on the leading edge of the face. The one PING he middled was 330 yards. See 6:28 and note the red impact mark was finally near the center = 330 yards and his longest and straightest shot. But then he went back to hitting the leading edge (17mm low of center impact)

  18. I would like to see you bring in a subscriber or friend of the program. With a slower swing speed and a little less consistent strike pattern to test the Maxx versions. I feel it would be more relatable to an average golfer such as myself.

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