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00:00:00 – Intro
00:06:22 – Velveteen Dream Apologizes
00:11:47 – Ahmed Jonson HEAT with Booker T
00:17:31 – When Dutch Played Basketball with Undertaker
00:22:40 – Karrion Kross and Authors of Pain
00:31:04 – Rick Boogs Calls it a Day
00:37:43 – Matt Striker’s MLW Commentary Controversy
00:45:50 – Matt Riddle’s Royal Ruble Win Claim
00:49:16 – Tony Khan is at it Again
01:03:40 – Jinder Mahal and Wrestling in India
01:05:32 – Chris Jericho KO’d by MVP
01:08:04 – Worst Factions EVER Pt1
01:28:41 – Worst Factions EVER Pt2
02:01:04 – Randy Savage’s Last Ever Match
02:08:43 – Outro
We the People Hello everybody James here Story Time with Dutch Manel episode 83 there he is the aonomus Dutch Manel point to get himself right now and we’re going to do the plugs first and the very first thing we’re going to talk about is University of Dutch caps what can you tell us about those caps
Dutch I have 10 left and they are for sale and what do you think a good price for a hat would be signed hat or just a hat a know assigned hat on the inside right here to to Jim Dirty Dutch Manel or and actually I put I put two
Signatures on it and zebah cter not bad huh not bad we’re not doing it’s not called it’s not called the University of Zab it’s not University of Dutch because the Dutch preceded that but what about uh give me a price thousand see see what you do is you go
With a really high number and then you sort of like Whittle it down afterwards that that is a good price let me think about it and uh I I’ll put it on my website when it’s fully functional and uh hey my website being fully functional
Is kind of turned into a little bit of a joke but I I am still working on it hey let me let me say this while I got attention to everybody uh back in December when I was in the hospital uh I had orders coming in for
Books and my University of dut’s diploma which is for sale also and I got behind on them so now I’m having people where’s my order and I don’t blame them where’s my order where’s my order I paid this that you can check and yes your order is
Coming as uh because I’m really still recovering from that hospital stay because I get tired very easily I’m getting better I’m getting stronger but I get tired and I get sleepy so and that that I think is a direct result of me being in the hospital almost 28 29 days I highly unrecombined
Now you will be getting them and if you think it’s taking too long which I don’t blame you I will issue a refund no problem so nobody’s out anything uh just time so just give me a little time and I I’ll get it all to you and those books
That we’ll eventually get to you if you do order them there’s two here and I’ve actually got them prepared for the first time on to the worlding Dutch tals from a dirt road links are in the description if you want to go to Amazon if you want signed you contact Dutch himself at
Dirty Dutch Manel TOS at gmail.com and I’ve actually got my books as well Owen Hart king of pranks and Dwayne The Rock Johnson The People’s champion from WWE to Hollywood there we go forgot the um last bit of that book it was a couple years ago when I wrote them but they’re
Very very good books and they got great reviews on Amazon as well you can’t buy them signed from me now we’ve got two things we’re going to be doing on this podcast one the news as we always do Dutch and the second one I put out the
Feelers on YouTube and Twitter at WSI youube I think or X or whatever we’re calling it today and I said what is your least favorite faction in wrestling and I was surprised about the length and breadth of different names I received I thought maybe I was going to get about
10 and I probably got what like 40 different names so the second half of this podcast we’re going to go through some of those and um the ones that you’ve got uh more direct involv ment with or you’ve watched in the last couple years on Smackdown for example we’ll talk about
Them a bit more in depth as well but well I I’ve I’ve read them some of them I don’t even remember but we’ll see the I’ve split them into two so the ones that you probably won’t have any opinion on top half the ones that you probably
Will have an opinion on hopefully bottom half but we’ll work I’ll have I’ll have a damn opinion on it that’s damn for damn sure that excellent news excellent new let’s do some news because you know it used to be guys arguing in the old days just guys arguing in the
Cars or in the dressing rooms and then it became common knowledge but just amongst the wrestlers that so and so didn’t like somebody now with social media they argue back and forth where everybody can see it and think they’re making points I think we have crossed the
Unicorn are you is that the Unicorn is that the word we’ve we’ve crossed the point of no return and there’s a unicorn there I guess I I never understood that anyway but I I I now now they argue back and forth and threaten each other and everything else on social media knowing
It’s not going to happen so yeah we’re living in an alternate Universe in the wrestling world yeah we’re definitely I think just people in general the world has changed a lot in 20 years and the latest thing that has happened and I think this may have happened last week and we didn’t refer
To it I think it’s one of the news bits that we scrapped because there was just so much news in the last year uh last year last month excuse me that we missed and um or that was last year and the first one we’re going to mention is
Velvetine dream apology video so before I say what he’s apologizing for you watch the video he doesn’t mention what he’s apologizing for pretty much but what did he glean from that video at first when you saw it okay what what did he do there well um in a in a nutshell
Because we can’t play the apology because it’s too long and he says I apologize about 50 times I guess he apologizes for so I didn’t really I didn’t much really care for him seemed like a pretty pretty decent ENT uh technician in the ring I didn’t like his
Gimmick no what why didn’t you was it a bit Savage like for you character Savage Oh yeah well I just didn’t care for it it was almost I don’t know well why don’t I tell you what he did allegedly in 2022 he was arrested twice for first degree battery and also trespassing yesterday
Uh oh oh yeah go ahead I’m listen I’m warming up to the big on I’m warming up to the big on I’m listening six days after he was arrested for a probation violation in regards to possessing drug paraphernalia and the big ones EC3 NWA champion at the moment I believe
Accused Clark Jr Patrick Clark Jr is real name of velvetine dream of covertly filming dudes Wing wangs in his bathroom uh by sort of like setting up his phone and just playing it on record just so it could like look down odd that’s isn’t that the Chuck Berry thing that that is
That is a little strange yes so he set up his phone to record guys when they go take a PE PE to judge to judge the size of their weapon I guess yeah that’s not and and he knew that was velvetine dream yes I I yes EC3
I mean when you when you make a public accusation like that you better be damn sure that you’re right and I think EC3 was very uh Dar sure that he was right I remember I remember when he did that why did he film you well he didn’t have a he needed a Mic he needed stop it stop it it’s not about that it’s not about me it’s it’s not filmed yeah it’s about all that I’ve never heard that well it’s probably been done before I just never heard of it oh You’ never heard the chuckberry one apparently he owned a
Restaurant and he put uh cameras in the women’s toilets well I’ve heard of that I got caught one time doing that what but yeah it was before anybody used it so that’s fair I was it also like a camera from like the 50s or something so it was like filled up the entire
Toilet big camera sticking up said what the hell is this wait a minute let me turn it down that’s covered uh dream also in 2020 was allegedly accused of sending nude photos of himself to underage boys and an underage girl and engaging in grooming Behavior now the
Reason right so this apology video came out but a few months earlier Booker te revealed that he had spoken to dream and dream has indicated that he wants to get back into the wrestling business do you think in this day and age he has a hope
At all of being sort of accepted back by the fans that’s a tough one I don’t think so tell you the truth I don’t think he was accepted that much before he did all this stuff or before he was accused or caught doing all this stuff I’ve seen him in the ring
And would I buy a ticket to see him know but would most wrestling fans I don’t think so they just he’s got a gimmick and that’s it he should have thought about this before he went ahead and engaged in all this Behavior oh you can apologize till the cows come
Home but it and it’s it’s not up to me it’s up to fans I’m going to say I don’t think uh WWE would mess with him again he he was in NXT wasn’t he and I don’t think NXT would bother I don’t think aew they would mess with him of course they
May because that ship over there is kind of floating a little sideways anyway I think the best he can hope for is maybe some independent shows independent bookings but that wears thin so I’m G I’m gon vote the downside on that one will he be accepted back now next one I think this
Is what you’re alluding to the opening monologue where he saying in 2024 all these wrestlers arguing over the on podcasts and on Twitter and all that kind of thing Amma Johnson versus Booker T Amma Johnson challenge who’s this ahed you you know is it because I’m saying I
Know who he is I I just didn’t hear the name oh I’m sorry johnon versus Booker T so I’ll keep this short Amed Johnson challenged Booker to a fight keep in mind they’re both in their what like late 50s now and also mocked Booker for going to prison in his youth Booker T
Told Ahmed that if he keeps going after him like this he will end up in a defamation lawsuit Ahmed then Challen challenges Booker for debate for some reason and I wouldn’t have thought debating was amed’s strong point and well you would need it you would need a translator yeah and then
Booker responded with the following Tony norrris which is Amed Johnson’s real name is nothing more than a low down notorious lying piece of you know what he said I start low down low down bastage okay go ahead he said I started the beef with him Ahmed Johnson actually
Went on record and said that Booker tried to sabotage ahmed’s career in WCW in a match this is something that he said on record and he doesn’t know where this started from so Amed Johnson needs to check himself you know and get his records right so apparently the original
Beef is is that Ahmed blames bookery for trying to sabotage him in WCW but he doesn’t know why and he doesn’t know where he heard that from I know think he needed very much sabotaging you could watch him in the ring and at one point Vince looked at me and he said
Dutch because that’s my name so Dutch I want you to help our M he needs some help and I said okay he said let go and you know talk to him and you know watch his matches and critique him a little bit and so I tried I watch to in Madison Square
Garden it was like people were walking out or going to the concession stand they weren’t walking out but he was he’s terrible and I don’t know how he ever got booked because he’s big and he he had a body in those days and Vince was was he liked that stuff but you know
When you put him in the ring with an experienced guy I think I saw him in a ring with I think it was Jeff Jared and and Jeff couldn’t do anything with him I mean the mat just sat there and died right in front of your eyes and it went
10 minutes and it was course the’ll say in 10 minutes I’ll never get back and then he came back and H I don’t think Jeff even tried to help him when he came back he just shook his hand walked on by I mean and I’m sure Jeff said well this is
Not my I’m not going to make any money with this guy why would I really help him get better and you know most proos say oh I’ll help you I’ll help you but see Ahmed wasn’t appreciative of anybody giving him any help because he kind of misconstrued the help that was given to
Him because he thought it was criticism and he didn’t like that he thought he was as good as anybody on that card which I don’t blame him there because if you going going to wrestle you got to think you belong and you have as much talent as the next guy but he
Didn’t but anyway I think his little push went a lot longer than what I thought it thought it thought it would go how long was he in WWE oh late 95 till very early 98 he had a series of injuries and then I believe it was report at the time that
He passed out on a plane and I think WWE have just cut him from there well I I think his push his initial push lasted less than I want to say two months do you know a bit longer May a bit long mons he went from late 95 till middle of 96 he
Won the IC title and then Farooq ended up kicking him in like the ribs and I think he got like a lacerated kidney or something then he was on the shelf for months and then he just never recovered from there so who has challenged who to a fight well ammed Johnson seems to
Challenge Booker T to a fight and for all you know what would happen they’re both in their late 50s something like that yeah Booker T would beat the out of bom head Booker T when it comes to throwing the hands he can go he really can go and Booker stayed in
Shape at least Booker T when I was you know I I said something a while back he didn’t like but I did I did realize I was wrong and I apologize for it you couldn’t melt and for me on Booker T he would beat the he’s
Tough he’s a tough guy and I think he would mop the floor with ahed so if I made if you hear this hey I’m just stating my opinion you don’t threaten to beat me up because it’s not going to happen anyway so but anyway I made I wish you the the
Best of luck I really do ahmed’s 60 by the way uh there’s two more things that I’ve never brought up to you about Ahmed and or maybe I have done once one is that he uh once claimed that Steve Austin had spray painted some racist graffiti on his car and his entire basis
For thinking it Steve Austin was that a fan just who just happened to be near ahmed’s car ammed said to the fan who sprayed that and the fan went Steve Austin and then walked off so it could have been the fan for all we know it very very likely wasn’t Steve Austin and
Probably more like the fan I imagine but who knows and the other one is is uh this was more recent that Dutch mantel has never taught Amed Johnson anything no I didn’t because he did he didn’t know anything I would at least Tau him a headlock a
Takeover course he couldn’t do an arm drag or a drop kick or a leap frog all he couldn’t even lay down he couldn’t do anything because you know muscle guys you can’t teach them nothing because they’re just see a a good wrestler is like the best wrestlers are not really pro
Wrestlers are not amateurs because amateurs are stiff and they’re trained that way I see the best guys that transition to to pro wrestling are actually basketball players you know who was a basketball player quite if you T Kevin n Under Undertaker Kane was a basketball player
And some of these guys because you know you can’t be you know the musling guys around in basketball you’ll get a foul but hey I played I played a Undertaker one time one onone but actually it was two onone it was me and a guy called
Action Jackson and we got to a town early have I told this story no I don’t think so we got to a town early and there was a some guys out there playing basketball and gym was empty so Undertaker come out he’s shooting and and I’m shooting and then
You know we’re all shooting around out there so I says hey uh hey Mark you you want to go one onone and he said well let’s go two onone I says what do you mean he said you in action against me I said are you really are you want to
Be embarrassed because I’m kidding I I can’t play basketball brother it was a game of 21 he beat the living out of us for two straight games and we scored like he was blocking he was blocking all my shots so I had to back
Up so like I say I’m not that good I made some of them but it was like 21 to like seven so we finally we played two games and he he kind of killed us off so I quit out of embarrassment axon Jackson’s he’s a big old guy anyway he
Was blowed up so was I but Mark was out there he was dunking and doing all kind great athlete Undertakers a great athlete so that’s the last time I played him one-on-one in basketball or even two onone in basketball I was I was the only time I
Think basketball ever came up in these podcast before not with us but I remember interviewing Bobby blae some time ago and he said the best basketball Trio in WCW was Bobby blae uh the guy who played the Maestro was it Robbie Eagles and Barbarian it’s like what weird
Trio yeah what you mean the the basketball they they were just like the informal WCW basketball threesome yeah the trios Champions they were the champions yeah apparently so in WC I wouldn’t imagine I wouldn’t imagine who was the guy that was the uh the orchestra leader or whatever or the yeah
Yeah that that was Myro Robbie Robbie Eagles yeah he didn’t affect me as a be a good basketball player all right Barbarian maybe Barb’s pretty good athlete just scared the out of everyone just make them leave the court I imagine you win by default yeah you wouldn’t Barbarian he was
Uh he didn’t even look like a basketball player so but anyway I I didn’t know that next on the agenda I think I think I think he’s lying tell you the truth I wish Barbarian yeah I wish he’ have played Undertaker and Kane by God that’s could been three on
Two And they have still got the crap beat out of them i’ have been I’d have been the referee the next on the agenda your favorite carrying cross and Scar attempt another repackage in WW is this like maybe their third one I don’t know and then along with the red debuting authors
Of pain and Paul ellering so carrying cross and Scarlet are now alleged sorry aligned with the returning authors of pain authors of pain were released back in 2020 with the whole uh first or there was like a giant round of like covid cutbacks and they were two of them and
The legendary manager Paul ellering who managed oap in NXT but didn’t follow them to the main roster so aop in recent years maybe most famous of trying to I don’t know if you heard about this authors of pay tried to do a independent 10,000 seater uh wrestling show
Featuring mostly people who had been fired from ww in 2020 and 2021 in Nottingham about 80 miles down the road from me at the motor Point Arena 10,000 CA and they had Nia Jax CJ Perry Braun strowman and for some reason in in the main event MMA Legend Alis Ry who was
Never wrestled in his life Pro wrestle anyway uh anyway they sold a few hundred tickets and they cancelled the show weeks beforehand and the company was called Wrestling Entertainment Series so this was meant to be a series of these things that never got off the ground I wonder why they didn’t sell any
Tickets oh my god oh dear car carry and cross returning then or or or or yet another repacking well I’m not changing my attitude on him it’sit Dead on Arrival he’s already I mean the people are just not responding to him because there’s nothing to respond
To I mean if he’s going to do anything he needs to do something to somebody that the fans give a about I mean going in there and I don’t think the street profits I don’t think nobody really cares about them yeah I was going to say he’s teamed with
Authors of pain and they attacked the street prophets and Bobby lley yes there we go but still nobody give a and even Bobby Lashley is in there there’s something again it’s not up to me I’m just watching it and believe me watching out this TV
That you force me to watch by the way what is sports key forces you to watch Smackdown I for you oh yeah they they do do do that so it’s cruel in in Humane punishment I think if a guy is convicted of a serious crime and he’s given say he’s given the death
Penalty so they can give him a choice they’re sit him down and tie one hand down the other hand no tie just tie one hand down and both feet tied to the chair to where he can’t leave and then put a cyanide pill Within Reach of his other hand and tell
Him he’s going to have to watch wrestling say 20 hours a day for as long as he’s alive or or now this guy’s been sentenced to death or he can take himself out by taking that sin pill I think it’ take him about maybe a week he say screw this and he dropped
That sign and thus relieving the St of any like capital punishment laws or anybody that doesn’t agree he took himself out so and I would put the carry and cross some some of his matches up there as well as beltine dream put put him put
Him up there too so have we talked about him yet oh yeah we’ve already talked about him okay Carrie sorry we were talking about him off air as well we can’t quite remember what’s been on and what’s been on off uh carrying cross okay is say you have to well no I’m just
Saying like if you have to keep him on the roster like you can’t just fire him what do you do with him to actually make him interesting then just attack Roman Reigns no hell that would hurt Roman Reigns you know it’s supposed to help car and cross but it would actually hurt
Roman for him to be in the same ring with car and cross I mean the people would sit there like this that’s what you don’t want him to do there’s nothing now I heard he was very good in the NXT is that true which one carrying cross yeah I think he was presented
Differently he was presented differently in TNA as well I remember him I think um oh this was I don’t think you were there at the time I I think what it was is that when he goes to the main roster he isn’t as
Big of a guy as he was in NXT so he was like the Unstoppable killer in NXT then he would get to the main roster he’s the same size as about 30 different guys mm well first of all I don’t see what’s the name of his valet what’s her name
Scarlet is it Scarlet Bordeaux yeah something I don’t I don’t I don’t see what she adds to it at all just a good-look girl out there but they got good-looking girls already so but she’s not really instrumental in anything all she all she does is bunch of poses when she goes out
There and she she doesn’t do anything during the match he doesn’t do anything during the match and to me and this is you can you cannot do anything without creative getting behind you so why hasn’t creative got behind this guy do they see the same thing I see in him zero
Triple H do Triple H like him why is he out there because as soon as he goes to the ring now this is my opinion and somebody wrote to me and says why are you so down on carry and cross he’s great he’s this he’s said I
Just don’t see it somebody has to make decisions if I was on Creative I’d say hey best thing to do is keep him off TV as long as we can and put him on right when his contract is coming up and that’s probably when he’d get over didn’t they change his gimmick when
He got there something else Chang it like they changed it like three times now A Roman warrior or something see you I don’t get it I think we have crossed the threshold in wrestling that people can and you know I don’t I don’t think we really give the fans enough credit
To sit there and expect them to watch basically something that’s non it’s not interesting at all and car and cross fits that putting him him with authors is it authors of pain aop I don’t think it helps either one of them and beating up the the street
Prophets do you does that excite you right now no not really uh I watched that video as well and it didn’t seem like the crowd were making the hugest amount of noise during it either well you may have heard some noise that was me throwing stuff at the TV what the hell from
Tampa believe me I saw some stinker matches that one right there would not the top one of course but it didn’t excite me at all and when it was over I’m glad I’m glad to watch the commercial even the commercials were better anyway that’s my opinion if you
Don’t like it I’m sorry you gotta live with it well let’s move on to someone who I know you like Rick boogs announces he’s effectively retired Rick boogs has confirmed that he won’t keep wrestling there’s a little golf clap there uh because he needs to be all in on
Something in order to pursue its boogs and double down on his theory that somebody in WWE was holding him back and yeah like creative yeah there there’s two paragraphs here but let me just sum it up for you he thinks that when Vince M man was in charge there was he was
Vince was a fan of him and as soon as Vince was not in charge Rick boogs then is on the outs essentially that’s his theory well welcome to wrestling see if you don’t have a sponsor uh with direct ties to creative well then you’re you have nobody do you don’t have an
Advocate back there with creative and Vin sometimes has never made the most popular decisions on who to push see a lot of people and I thought this too years about three four years ago when he started pushing Roman Reigns as a heel he was not moving the dial at all because they
Warned him people still warned him because he’d come off didn’t he have cancer yeah yeah leuka he was coming off his uh his cancer diagnosis that was either cured or controlled or something and the people just they weren’t buying him it took about really four to six months to get
Him in that heel row and finally when he got there he started getting over a little more put him with Paul hayon a little more a little more and he finally got there but now when he’s gotten there you hear fans screaming oh we need to beat him Cody
Needs to beat him this needs to oh what a pop the crowd would do yes but creative work three years or more on Roman Reigns and they’re not going to throw away just beating him say in Montreal because he was against Sami Zayn just for the pop of a crowd they’ve
Worked too hard and you don’t you don’t throw it away just on one night if they had to beat uh Roman reigns with Sami Zayn they would had to go back to the drawing board well not necessarily the drawing board but they would have to basically jumpstart Roman Reigns again but why
Jumpstart a car that’s already you know ribbed up and ready to go and you can crank it up so a lot of people don’t understand that talk but when you got something that’s working don’t kill it because it’s you know people want to see him get beat oh yeah you get a massive
Pop you’d get a massive pop on the pay-per-view ones but the next time the pay-per-view on is what do they got to come see so trying to explain wrestling to people is very difficult it really is there’s no saying I think Jerry Jared told me this one time and old buddy Fuller who
Gave me the name Dutch Manel he told me one time that oh saying that we’ve heard a thousand times keep it simple stupid you keep it simple and I’ve always heard do angles that even a 10-year-old child a 10-year-old kid would understand and if you do that it’s
Hard to miss so if you keep your stuff kind of simple and straight then you can adjust them as you go along of course hits evolved now they want to do 900,000 moves before they do the finish and this that and the other but we used
To sell out and I know it was a different era we used to sell out was simple stuff just characters that’s what we had and the matches were nothing like they are today we didn’t have athletes like they have today but still we sold out and we still
Made money so and that’s explaining wrestling to people that don’t understand it which now I can be talking to a bunch of wrestlers in a room and they don’t even understand it so if you’re trying to tell the people how that’s already in the business how this is done they don’t get
It either so fans don’t feel left out in the cold because hell I’m I’m even not even being able to get it does that make sense I get confused I get confused I really do you see how boring Rick boogs is to you that you end up asking
Yourself a far more interesting question and then answer Bo let’s forget about let’s forget about boogs I know you I know you’re know not a fan of him I’m not a fan of his because he’s a but I but ask me to compare boogs and uh who’s the
Other guy I would carry him cross yeah ask me to to compare them and who’s more exciting who’s more exciting before King Cross or Rick boogs funny you asked that question but you know what I’d have to say boogs is more exciting because he can do
More stuff he can at least play a guitar he could probably crack it over somebody’s head you know and I would say that he is he has more potential than car and girl we does that make sense does that make sense it does we should move on that
Damn camera view started moving again and sort of like brought you it just it cuts off this anyway we can’t anyway we can’t work the motion control where did you where did you get this camera ladies and gentlemen I just want you to know this this camera was a gift from Mr
James correct yeah when I’m there in March I’m going to set you up with a new more professional setup from uh from so look out for that March onwards hopefully we’ll have a far better setup next and this is an interesting one Matt Striker uh I don’t think he’s completely
I know him yeah I don’t think he’s completely uh you know he’s done quite he was he was an announcer in TNA right or no yeah he’s been announcing quite a few places I think he’s done his odd Boo Boo on uh on commentary once or twice before but this
One quite a few people jumped on him before so uh Matt Striker was commenting on match with Jacob Fatu versus Matt riddle and was impressed with what he was seeing from Riddle during part of the match Striker said the following how do you let this guy go now
Keep in mind rid just been fired this guy is a star a mega million dooll star I don’t care what he does how do you let him go is in firing he can do whatever he wants he can kick your ass anyone out there has got a problem with him step uh
Step to him out on the street Watch What Happens end of conversation now uh I’ve got another quote from Matt Striker but just so you know riddle has had quite a few U multiple accusations of sexual misconduct including from his ex-girlfriend Daniel Petro riddle was accused of sexual misconduct in 2020 by
Wrestler candy cartright as well and anyway not the most Stell of reputations because several people have come out and made accusations against him Striker then later said let’s talk about the elephants in the room the court of public opinion would love to see Jacob Fatu slap the taste out of Matt Riddle’s
Mouth but the court of public opinion does not convict I’m sorry I know it’s the world we in which we live but that’s not the case so there’s sort of two problems there one that hiring Matt striker in the first place sorry hiring well Matt Striker but hiring Matt riddle in the
First place can come with baggage essentially because he’s had several accusations leveled against him but two is Matt Striker then going on commentary during Matt Riddle’s debut on mlw television and basically telling everybody hey this guy’s got multiple sexual accusations misconduct accusations made against him ignore
Those and then carry on he did that on commentary everything I quote there he said on commentary why didn’t they take that out I do not know I mean why would you go and say this guy’s I don’t I don’t get this again this is another thing about wrestling I
Don’t understand how does that get a guy over he sexually arrest women so he’s a good guy I don’t I don’t get it I I Matt riddle has got a lot of he he does have talent and you probably draw a few dollars with him but and his actual ability in an MMA
Ring you don’t really see it in a wrestling ring he’s just a barefooted guy looks like a barefooted Lance spun Eric I guess I don’t I don’t get it with that guy that’s another thing that escapes me and how can you let him go you let him go because he’s going to
Bring a lot of bad publicity to your organization so to get on commentary and bring it yourself for everybody can hear it for free and he’s still working there yes both are yeah I don’t know it’s it’s it’s like every you listen I’m going tell you if I
Wasn’t a wrestling fan I didn’t do this show I would I would skip wrestling my the rest of my life I wasn’t even watch it you have put a Scourge is that the word Scourge a Scourge on it today that I may never be able to erase because I’m a pretty sensitive guy
But and I have I’ve heard the same things about Matt riddle to some of the girls because they would they would tell me things but they didn’t they didn’t like Matt no but are the ones that I talked to because he he kind of pressed themselves on them
And I don’t like that and they they do have they do have laws against that so no matter what he’s done I don’t know how he means that in commentary I don’t care what he’s done how can you let him go well what if he raped a woman you going
To keep him what if he shot a guy and killed him you going to keep him you can’t do that there are some things that you got to look at public opinion that doesn’t paint you in the most positive light and go from there uh Del Rio Alberto Del
Rio he was going with Paige they were in TNA that’s when it came out that he had slapped her somewhere and it hit the internet oh it’s it’s on fire he was he’s a woman beater he’s this he’s that we actually let him go suspended him before any hearing we never heard a
Word from Alberto we just heard her side and then Dixie Carter she got all upset and we end we end up suspending or basically firing Alberto without ever hearing a word from him see in America you are you are uh innocent until found guilty but there in that case he was
Guilty without ever hearing a word from him just by the the word from paage it could have happened but we should have heard something from Del Rio but we didn’t so all a sudden he’s gone now Matt Striker later apologized for his comments on Twitter and then
Deleted the apology so now we really don’t know what’s going on with that but uh yes I I quite sure this wasn’t live so I don’t know why they left that commentary him but it did go it was broadcast oh yeah it was broadcast all right
Yeah it’s like uh like with Roman Reigns that you mentioned before like on commentary every single week but don’t forget everybody he also popped for ban substance in 2018 don’t forget that it’s like why bring up I mean I mean you’ve already hir yeah you’ve hired him which
Is controversial enough but then you go on commentary and make mention of why it’s just that’s more of just a a creative just bafflement on my part but yeah I mean hiring in the I don’t get it I don’t get it the more you’re talking the more I’m getting confused here and I
Don’t know if the fans are confused but I think that they would probably agree with me you want your product to be held in the most outstanding light that it possibly can be but when you go on air on your own TV show and tell the people he’s
Been charged with sexual offenses or accused accused I’m not sure there was ever a charge although I think same thing yeah it did go to court at one point civil remember Del Rio was accused guilty and never heard a word from him so the people that hear
That and if they haven’t heard it before they’ll start looking it up then they want to and then they’ll find out about it on the subject of Matt riddle he claimed very recently that BR Lesnar bullied his way into winning a match now Excuse me while it was reported at the
Time it actually was reported but it sort of fell by the wayside that Matt riddle was considered to be the 2022 Royal Rumble Match winner riddle is now confirmed that he was indeed told that he was winning here’s the quote I was told at one point I was going to win the
Rumble 2022 and then Bobby Lashley beat Brock Lesnar hit him with the belt Brock came in didn’t want to do business with everybody and said that he was winning nobody stood up to him I didn’t either so BR just rolling and say buddy you’re not winning this I am and everyone went
Okay yeah but I I think that stems back to Brock’s uh relationship with Vince and riddle he hates riddle Lesnar has always said he they got they got a big argument backstage somewhere didn’t they and it was filmed I don’t know if it was I
Don’t know if it was filmed but I think it was riddle consistently trying to like make force a program with Lesnar and Lesnar doesn’t want anything to do with him well his career but he he has a relationship with Vince or had a very close relationship with vin
McMahon excuse me this is when Vince was still in power and when he walks in he said hey I’m winning it guys that’s it which sounds very very out of place and a WWE setting that he walks in and says I’m winning it now didn’t they check with
Vince didn’t they check for somebody didn’t they check for Triple H so I guess he went in there and he got his way but then again they say well who can beat him well that’s not that’s not our game is who can beat him is who we can
Tell the most interesting story with and draw some money now I’m I’m glad you mentioned that because Matt riddle if he had won WrestleMania the Royal Rumble he would have then gone to WrestleMania to face Roman Reigns in the main event now this is at the beginning
Of 2022 Matt riddle was still teaming with Randy Orton at the time in the ark bro tag team uh if you cast your mind back you know nearly two years at this point do you think that Matt riddle would have been taken seriously as a main eventer
For Wrestlemania at this time in his career no I don’t I I really don’t Brock Lesnar different story he’s accepted as a main eventor former Champion tough son of a gun tough son of a I don’t think they the fans looked at Matt that way you know I think they may have liked
Him a little bit but Brock Lesnar they’ve seen him have a few MMA matches and win so they knew he was is a tough bastard but putting Brock Lesnar versus Roman or putting Matt riddle against Roman is a different story and I think everybody will a will agree to that you
Agree to that yeah I’d say so okay long as I have your agreement now thank you uh this is probably the biggest news of the week Tony Khan’s latest tweets he’s always good for a laugh isn’t he with some of the stuff he comes out with someone told me recently
Is like thank goodness for aew for like podcast like hours um who deal with the news because before aw there was only like a third of the news that we had to talk about but now aw they just keep making news for us to talk about so it’s great now did you
Read through uh the Tony khah tweets because that will save me having to read all of them out I guess oh I’ve read some of them that’s another thing I don’t get But I guess or what do you what do you think’s going through Tony Khan’s mind if I put this tweet at it’s going to get a lot of clicks it’s going to keep aew’s name out there I’m advertising aew but he’s talking like a straight up
I mean just a fan who buys a ticket or that’s not who buys tickets now straight up fans ask every fan out there is you think this is pre-arranged what do you think they’re going to say yeah but I don’t give a crap I don’t
They come to see the show they come to see the what the guys can do and the stories and they don’t really give a crap about the actual wrestling part of some some do but that’s your hardcore crowd but the hardcore crowd they want to see Blood and Guts and chairs and and
Razor wire and tables and everything else they’re the ones who are also going to be checking Twitter most likely as well they’re going to be the more hardcore fans you buy the tickets and follow this more closely and follow Tony KH uh can I uh if if you’ll allow me I
Will read I’ll set it up and then I’ll read his tweets and you react to him the long and short of it is two title matches have been announced for television in the coming days so these are both happening next week Hulk taz’s son is challenging some MOA Joe for the
Aew world title for next week’s aw dynamite and Jinder Mahal who sort of come out from nowhere again to challenge Seth Rollins for the WWE Raw heavyweight title next Monday on Tuesday the official USA Network Twitter account took a dig at aew in regards to Tony K always highlighting the cagematch.net
Fan voted rating scores that they received for their matches and pay-per-views now first off just before I get to the tweets are you aware of this cagematch.net thing that’s been coming out in this last year or so I know the name but I don’t know what what
They put out and enlighten me so cagematch.net is a reference website for matches so if I want to know where was Dutch Manel in 1976 it would hopefully be able to tell me some matches and promotions you were in at the time but now uh for whatever reason recently fans
A lot of Internet fans a lot of Hardcore fans now go on to cagematch.net and then raped out of 10 every match and every event wwea W whatever it may be and Tony uh KH when he wants to get one over WWE he doesn’t talk about the ratings or the
Attendance or anything like that he may talk about pay-per-views because he does quite well on pay-per-view very very steady business or Wembley of course he mentions but then he also keeps bringing up the cagematch.net reviews which mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things so anyway Tony khah then tweets about a
Double standard a double standard uh hook 28 and one career record on winning streak calls out the champ this is sjo a logical challenge spots online outrage and then Jinder has literally lost every single match he’s been in for the past year immediately gets a title shot where
Is the rage and then uh advertise aw and then the second one a victory for USA the network is one more win than their world title Challenger Jinder Mahal has in the past 364 days because it’s been literally a full year since he won a match you really put aw in our place
Getting Jinder Mahal in a big match on your TV show do it more often man he’s really but hurt over this [Laughter] one brother I I’m I’m flabbergasted I’ve never used that word in my life but I will use it here because here you got a a billionaire who’s spending his money in
His fies yeah and he’s what got me was when he does the scrums I mean that I’ve never heard that before I never saw it before I just started seeing it when he did it with CM Punk but I don’t get it I don’t know what he’s trying to do I don’t think
He’s being successful at it and at cet.com i’ I’ve seen their their website so you just go on there and rate the match one out of 10 yep or a wrestler or a match or an event yeah so could I still go in there and rate Dutch
Man’s hell yeah you can right now I could oh yeah I I want to tell everybody that’s listening go to cet.com okay cagematch.net is where you need oh yeah if you go to Dutch goes you probably get like to a porn site or something like that stop it cagematch.net
Yes is that the go to cagematch.net and get me a nine rate me a nine or a 10 then they’ll say wow where did all this late blooming success or or accolades come from Dutch he’s he hadn’t wrestled in years and year but all of a sudden
The people are raiding him what the hell so if anybody can do it help yourself because nobody else is going to do it but I’m asking for help now go over there and rate me Tony con what he’s doing I have no idea I don’t think it’s working
Uh if and the match with Seth with jender I don’t think they going to use gender much better they this is leading to something else but where is uh hook and Samoa Joe leading I don’t know if it’s a one day thing or well hook and Samo Joe for
Starters when that was announced on Saturday I mean the fans okay the big joke is that the fans in the audience went crazy they went yeah no way but obviously with aw uh they didn’t actually play the audio from the fans cheering they just had the pre-recorded
Uh video of hook doing the challenge uh there’s another thing as well uh Tony says that hook is 281 career record which he isn’t uh he’s 45 and one or if he meant 2023 he’s 27 and one so I don’t know where he got 28 and one um secondly
I don’t remember seeing anyone complaining about hook versus Samoa Joe I think people are really excited for that because that’s a a genuine fresh match up with as I say someone with a really good win loss record challenging the champion it makes a lot of sense so
I don’t know where Tony’s saying online outrage where I was only seeing online praise so he’s made that himself the online the online rage he’s talking about is in his head is is was Jinder Mahal and himself where’s the where’s the rage about that right is that what
He’s talking about no it’s it’s both things so he’s talking about there’s no rage for Jinder Mahal and Seth but there is made up online rage in his own mind with hook versus Samoa Joe which there isn’t online rage there’s online praise for that as far as I can
Tell again I’m at a loss for words here flabber GID I’m gonna go back to my other word that I used I don’t get it and I don’t think the fans get it either that’s why that’s aw is struggling right now WWE has increased their product and
Their Their audience I don’t know I think 50% don’t you think they’ve added to it much better show aw is the show that it just drags sometimes can you imagine a a threeh hour show with aw like raw well the raw drags too yeah yeah raw drags a three
Hour aw would drag a lot I think aw is in a bit of a weird spot as well because Kenny Omega is not there the elite don’t seem to be really too much anywhere mjf is injured Adam Cole’s injured Sting’s retiring Ric Flair’s Ric Flair actually returned but he’ll be
Gone soon as well I’m sure I just they just seem to be losing people hand over fist which is at least like the mother was it what’s the mother of necessity I can’t remember the phrase anyway because so many people are out that sort of created an opening for hook to then try
And establish himself as a you know get up the card and uh you know impress against Samoa Joe so that’ll definitely be the biggest match of his career there’s one more thing I wanted to bring up is that Tony’s complaining about uh uh challenges to World titles
Regardless of if they’ve got a winning streak or they deserve it or not it’s it’s wrestling wrestling can be whatever you want it to be that’s sort of the beauty of it isn’t it I mean there have been TV matches where build it but but I mean how many how many TV
World title matches against contenders deserving or undeserving or whatever have there been over the years thousands there must have been thousands thousands and it is what you make it you got to build it I mean the hook was actually I’m G I’m gonna give them their just
Doe Hook was probably and Tony Tony Khan said something very very astute he said logically he deserves a shot logically because of his record but if you look at Samoa Joe and you look at hook yeah Samoa Joe will make him look good but do you think he’s going to win
I think samoo will win well that’s what I think and if they even if the he did beat Joe it kills Joe I think I don’t know how you get him back hot again it’ll take it a couple weeks to get him back where he’s warmed up again and jender and Seth
Now you can do an angle there or somebody else or and I think that’s what the people see the people have watched wrestling so much they kind of got it figured out their own on what’s going to happen oh this guy do this and this guy
Do that and see they tell the story beyond the story what they think is going to happen and about 40 50% of the time they’re halfway right so if if they’re figuring it out before the TV tells them that they’re right I mean you it’s not a good way to
Do business people are are not really surprised anymore and that’s how we used to draw money you had to surprise people you had to do the unexpected nobody they could they could see it coming from the side but they never realized that could possibly happened and when it
Happened it shocks them now they’re ready to see how the story ends it’s stories when you can tell a story give it a logical start a logical middle and a logical like finish or semi finish you got them when I book Puerto Rico I never finished the story that’s why Triple
H when he made that statement the story is never finished I identified with that because my stories were never finished years ago with Vince when they would go to a pay-per-view and they’d have a match and the baby face would win that was the end of the
Story why why would it be the end say you sold out these two guys have chemistry they had enough chemistry that they could sell out a 15 ,000 seat Arena and pay-per-view why would you have that be the end just end it wrap it up why
Wouldn’t you get away from it two weeks and then come back to it with something else but when he got rid of it that heel would drop down and had to start working his way back up again I never agreed with that but then again I don’t own the
Company and they can do what they want to do does that make sense or not of or or am I in Gaga land no the the machines always got to keep rolling why why I mean have a chapter but don’t just finish the story and then you’ve got to start from square one
Again well that’s what HBO went to I mean Netflix they have these little I call them vignettes little segments little episodes that lead you to the Finish but a lot of times I’ve even found out about that the Finish is not satisfying they don’t know how to finish
Them of course wrestling doesn’t either it started with wrestling I guess but I don’t know I’m just I’m just here chattering this morning I I have no idea what I’m talking about very quickly what did you think of Jinder Mahal as a worker uh I don’t know how much you’ve
Seen of him was he on Smackdown was he on Raw how much have you see oh I know I know him I know him quite well okay not that that well but uh see when they started pushing him and put the title on him they wanted to do uh they had a run
Of India I mean they had a tour of India coming up now India is poor as a poor country but it’s got 1.4 billion people in India so if you could get 10 million of them to pay $5 was a big Stadium then yeah that’s $50 million before you’d leave the
Country So and I’ve often wondered why they don’t they don’t have a local promotion in India they may have now but uh you remember the giant what was his name the giant what great Ki The Great Kali I don’t know did he start a uh a company over there he went back he
Did go back and I think he may have done super shows and he’s a big star I mean literally and figuratively he’s a big star there still do they run shows I don’t know how regularly they run shows I don’t know if it’s just a
Super card thing or I don’t know I don’t know well I don’t know either but with the country 1.4 billion I mean I I don’t know why WWE doesn’t have a well they have the TV there they don’t have a stronger presence than actually T it more often
We have one more bit of news to go through and then we’re going to go into our main event and it’s Chris Jericho versus MVP boats fight but I actually forgot to write anything about this have you heard this yes I’ve heard it I heard it when it
Happen did you really I heard something about it well tell us what you heard then what I heard you know Jericho he books wrestling shows on a cruise ship and they appear I guess nightly during the for the entertainment they’re present a wrestling show so he books
It and of course they they book bands and they book all this other stuff too but I heard he booked MVP and uh they had somewhat of an argument and it got out of hand and I think a tussle broke out you like that word tussle a tussle broke
Out and I heard that mvp knocked Mr Jericho out whether that’s true or not I don’t know I wasn’t there but that’s what I heard and that’s what you asked me right that’s exactly what I was asking about yes so I F I fulfill my part of the
Contract you asked me a question I gave the answer as I know it so somebody can say let me ask you somebody can say that’s a lie Dutch that’s a lie but let me ask you this is it a lie if I believe something happened but it didn’t is it a
Lie it can’t be a lie then right get semantic with me Dutch well that’s what I heard do you so you heard this at the time then 2020 this uh I think supposedly happened I probably I don’t know when I heard it but I I did hear it yeah because apparently this
Come public yesterday I think this went public but I didn’t realize public yes underground and the wrestling underground and I heard about it so no other no other information then you just heard the MVP KN Jericho out that’s what I heard no reasons for
It I I don’t know why they they got an argument about something most likely over money probably right then we are going to move on and you didn’t hear you didn’t hear anything about it no no no no no no this is sort before I have my ear to the
Ground for these types of things I never heard this at all so ear to the ground wait a minute I’m hearing something it’s Morse code I got it I got it MVP knock out [Laughter] Jericho oh okay go ahead okay right we’re going to go into you you need to
Be just a little more serious you need to be serious Dutch oh okay I will we’re GNA get onto our main event now as it were so as I said at the beginning of the episode I went on WSI YouTube my Twitter handle and I’m trying to be more
Active on it but I just don’t care about Twitter but I’m trying to be more active and I asked a question and same on the YouTube okay give us give us give us that handle again that’s is WSI iore YouTube yeah okay I ask okay okay
Fans you heard it you need to underline it right here so people can see it oh uh I’ve I’ve already spoke to the editor we need to have new graphics with all our stuff coming up on it oh yes we we certainly do because I just know just
With me if I can see it I’ll remember it m but if you just tell me forget it it’s gone I mean I can look at a uh like a Gmail address and as soon as I go to write down that Gmail address on my Gmail letter sender whatever I forget
It I got to go back and get it again so this is according to the fans who wrote it on the YouTube community board and on on my Twitter at WSI youube these are the worst factions that were mentioned more than once or maybe not mentioned more than once but most
People mention these more than once I’m going to rush through these ones because I don’t know if you’ve got too much of an opinion on them because they sort of like WCW and other places where you weren’t active at the time Deal’s from ECW big veto angel you’re all friend
Angel Vic Grimes PN news Red Dog who’s Rodney Mack I think Tony DeVito and Rod price X Factor xack just incredible and Prince Albert what a trio they were they had the worst music in the world as well Mean Street posy several people said I love the Mean Street posy Rodney Joey
ABS Pete gas and Shane McMahon The Oddities oh why did you like the Main Street party because they were you were meant to hate them they had the little sweat of you weren point they were just they were just a they actually had something about them that they could have they could have
Uh gotten a little bit of mileage out of that because you hated them yeah I wanted to you wanted to punch them the thing is they came back two of them uh came back as a tag team in later 200000 and they were terrible they were absolutely terrible and then from you
Know they weren’t uh with shame at man anymore and then from there they just sort of disappeared I think one of them well Shane was Shane was the key to it yeah exactly and then after sh because they had they had a player Shane that the people knew they didn’t like him
Because they didn’t like his old man so they brought in some built-in heat with them when they came that’s that that’s their kicker that’s their kicker the starter starter point the next one several people said The Oddities who I loved as a kid uh kgen Goga who was
Earthquake giant silver Luna Vashon the Insane Clown posy Sable briefly and George The Animal steel briefly as well I love those here’s one you may know I’ve put it in the wrong list the core Wade Barrett Justin Gabriel Heath Slater and Ezekiel Jackson They lasted a few months got beaten up and essentially
It was a Nexus redub and then they disappear horrible yeah nightmare Collective I don’t know why PE people kept mentioning this could like it was a faction but there was only two people Brandy rhods and Awesome Kong and Awesome Kong was littered with injuries and was fired or let go essentially the
Next one awesome awesome Kong I’m kind of partial to her cuz I started in TNA I was a huge huge fan of Austin con but when they put over Brandy Road it made no sense whatsoever that’s almost putting vanilla with chocolate and it it didn’t mix I
Mean I created Kong to be a female version of Abdullah and she got over big time got over but to put her with uh Brandy and Brandy couldn’t work at at the time I don’t know if she can now or not she doesn’t wrestle anymore now so yeah she doesn’t wrestle
Anymore so it does matter but that hurt that didn’t help Brandy it actually hurt K so they didn’t draw any money yeah they had a thing apparently where they were cutting hair like Awesome Kong would be cutting hair immediately he like Brutus beef cake see that’s that’s
Where they try to put a story with someone who doesn’t need a story she was the story anyway next one The Dungeon of Doom from WCW and Kevin Sullivan and then the be uh in the throne is king ctoak or is I can’t remember what his name was and it
Just the he was he was the evil emperor essentially and then we had beef cake in and then Camala and earthquake as the shark or the something like that and then do millions of them millions in the dungeon that was a Kevin that was a Kevin Sullivan invention my son
Yeah great I kind of liked it myself right I didn’t even realize this had a name and I was watching at the time I promise you thugging and bugging Enterprises Long’s group in WWE that featured Rodney Mack Jazz DLo Brown Mark Henry and more so I didn’t even realize
How the name and more meaning other characters other characters yeah I don’t remember that one either WCW No Limit soldiers Master P who was a a raist a rapper a hippy hoist what a rapist yes and if you take one p off he’d be a rapist no then he’d just be Master he’d
Just be master he W be Master PE and uh dozens of his friends dozens of them turned up and they go Hy who and his bodyguard swall who was his real uh bodyguard WCW he wasn’t a wrestler signed him to something like $400,000 a year no I promise you this was WCW
Wastefulness of its height and then the introduce people like Brad Armstrong as ba and Conan and Rey Mysterio got Lumber with them briefly next up another WCW one Misfits in action and a Vince Russo classic here where he renamed Bill deot General Hugh G rection you must have heard of this I
Did hear this I did like Hugh G erection I did hear that I did and there other ones hey they should have been in the in in the the restroom when uh V dream put his put his camera up see he wrong era veltin wrong error the the camcorders weren’t as
Personal and easy to move around in those times and then there was others you know like Chavo and lash Laro and stuff like aw’s version of American top team with Dan Lambert do you remember Dan Lambert he would come I remember he Jim cor uh pasti in a wasn’t he and
Where TNA aw Dan Lambert yes but Dan Lambert that ran that ran the MMA school yeah yeah yeah so I think you’re right I think he was in TNA at one point but then he ended up in aw as well hey we had that Kobe guy
Kobe CT he just F yeah we had he had him with him yeah so and he put him out there to do interviews and he was okay and he could probably get some heat but thing is they had no experience experience you know you just can’t put anybody out there just because they
They’ve done MMA or talked we thought by putting him out there I guess I didn’t put him out there that he’d get a ton of heat but a lot of time I think he what he did they just changed the channel I’m uh I’m just actually looking at this
It’s members here we go so this is the aw version oh I’m sorry impact Dan Lambert Andre olowski Colby Covington Conan silver do even have a Wikipedia page gleon Tau John Harold doesn’t have a thingy km don’t know who that is King Mo which I do know
Lashley uh then there is there’s an mlw version but then the all elite wrestling version Andrei Austin vanderford uh hor masvidal juny dos Santos and Paige VanZant and then the wrestling version of it or the wrestlers Ethan paig Scorpio Skyland aren you moving on PA Paige vanzet yeah she that’s a female
Right yeah she was the blonde chick she’s gone into um the bare knuckle stuff and then just got beaten pretty much every time I think I don’t know if she’s got any wins there uh next is and this is a TNA one but this was after you
Left Immortal led by Hulk Hogan and Eric Bishop and featured no less than 18 members including a referee and also an alliance with Fortune which was I think Ric Flair’s group at the time but I know you weren’t there for that one so next one write to censor people said several
People said right to center and the and everyone said the same thing it’s not that they were a bad group and they got what they were doing it was it was railing against uh the uh right-wing uh parents television Council and El Bren boel I think people either complain wait
A minute how how they were railing against what the WWF uh was getting targeted by a activist a Christian activist group trying to clean up television called the parent television council at the time yeah so they created right to centor with Stevie Richards and Val Venus and
The good father and stuff to then act as puritanical sensors of their own television products as a spoof on the PTC didn’t work did it it worked for a bit Ivory was really great in that I thought I mean Stevie was very good in that as well uh next on
Is and here’s for one of your friends a few people said the cabinets John Bradshaw Lakefield Orlando Jordan Amy Weber the Bashan brothers and Jillian Hall I don’t remember that now that you brought it up I’m glad I don’t I’m gonna ask I’m gonna call Bradshaw and ask him what do you
Remember about that I’ll have an answer next week I would love to know because I would love to know too because I know that he hated it really I guarantee you well John when he doesn’t like something he makes no bones about it everybody will know about it everybody in the
Dressing room if it comes up he’ll make a big joke and laugh it’s like a joke but but he’s he’s shooting with it he he didn’t I guarantee you he hated that next one this is very shortlived uh Superstar group is it’s almost like a super group of the Big Show The Rock
Mankind and also test was there as well the union that lasted about two weeks no I’m sorry have I got that wrong I think I’ve got that wrong no Ken Shamrock’s in there somewhere I think the rock wasn’t in there I think Ken Shamrock was I’m sorry about that
Everybody um this is the next one this is the Polyphonic Spree of groups which means just so many members Sports entertainment extreme with an X which spells out sex was that TNA it was TNA and who was the leader of it do you remember remember Vince wasn’t it Vince Russo yes
It was Vince Russo 26 members of seex between 2002 and 2003 they disbanded I think in June 2003 which is a few months before you got there next up I’m sorry that’s why that’s why I went to TNA what to put a stop to that
I said if you get rid of that sex I might come in get rid of SE from TNA is what you should have said but it was a hey when I got to TNA you know they had the girls in the CES oh yeah it’s like I don’t know supposed
To be the strip club atmosphere I I never got it but did you release them like find give them the key what we made one I think we made one an announcer really what was her who is a blind announcer we had oh you’re gonna say Goldilocks I don’t think she was a
Stripper though was she no I don’t think she was a stripper now next one a famous One the Spirit Squad Nicki Mikey Kenny Johnny and Mitch aside from Nick neemo or nth however you pronounce it who turned into do Ziggler all the other careers were pretty damaged from that group they
Were the male cheerleaders who seemed to live to get beaten up by Shawn Michaels and Triple H don’t remember him you oh my God you have to watch all that here’s a very brief one which you actually were in the company 4 I think Cody rhods as Stardust
And Connor and Victor of the Ascension Cosmic Wasteland was that in WWE yes it was yeah I wasn’t there I think this might have been 2015 so maybe I don’t know do you remember Cody’s Stardust Cody is Stardust yeah it was uh his version of gold that was dust and
His Stardust right he was something else no Dustin was gold dust Cody was stard dust okay I do remember that that bombed more recent best friends Chuck Taylor Trent Beretta orange Cassidy and Chris statlander aw this that was early a right yeah I think so uh next one Dixie Land team
Dixie get a load of this group EC3 King Mo Tyrus Magnus who’s uh Nick Aldis Bobby Roode Austin Aries the Bromans Rhino Ron who I have no idea who that guy is Snitsky and Rockstar spod that’s quite the conglomeration oh I do like the lineup they would be they would be
Entertaining who’s R Clon I don’t remember that name I don’t remember it either but I remember some guy named that but have you ever talked to Spur you ever done an interview with spur no he is English isn’t he Rockstar spur yeah yes I remember him has always been Dixie
Carter’s like little subordinate at the time and he was good at that he was very good at that he he did have some Talent I’m Googling Ron it was Ezekiel Jackson would you believe whose names already come up in this one next we have uh a few people have said later versions of
The Four Horsemen at mid90s ones I happen to like quite a lot of the later Horsemen versions uh this one the new breed in uh WWE ECW Elijah bur Marcus coron who is Monty Brown Matt Striker whove already mentioned Kevin Thorne Ariel who’s uh Shelly Martinez and
Briefly CM Punk now next one is the millionaire stop me if you want to bring up a story on any of the people I mentioned by the way the next one is the millionaires club and the new blood in WCW uh next one you probably GNA have
Something to say about the Varsity Club Kevin suvin Mike retunda Rick Steiner Steve Williams and Danny Spivey I never got it I remember the V Varsity Club I just don’t get it keep what’s what one of the phrases I said starting this podcast keep it simple stupid and they didn’t keep it
Simple don’t make wrestling fans think give it to them and they tried to make them accept this stuff that that would mean they’d have to think about it you don’t watch wrestling to think you you wants wrestling to be entertained I think uh I’m going to speed through
These last few and then we’re going to get to the ones that I know you do have an opinion on so the new day a couple of people said Riot Squad Ruby Riot Liv Morgan and Sarah Logan damage control biley dakot Kai eio Sky Carrie Saint and Oscar the corporate Ministry which I
Think two people said which is interesting that was about 99 the uh this one’s very brief the new brood the hardies and gangrell it didn’t work at all and I think everyone agrees with that one the million dooll corporation which you were there at the time Ted
This was Ted dbass as a manager and he was he was managing the biggest bunch of bums in the world what year was this 95 you were there at the time didn’t last long did it or no well let me tell you he had he you know when
I have when I have my when I say oh that lasted a month two months three month you know even when I was in WWE I still didn’t watch the show even when I was there they were had monitors all over the place and I still
I didn’t watch the show let me tell you who was in Teddy bassi of course Nikolai volov whose Chara and this is in 94 and his character was that he was down on his look and he wore like trunks with scent symbols on instead of dollar Ted DB’s version of The
Undertaker which was Brian Lee irn R Shyer Bam Bam Bigalow nothing wrong bamb bam bigo uh tanker is a bad guy Karma as in The Godfather but stripped of all personality King Kong Bundy in 95y what’s his name King Kong Bundy King Kong yeah Oh I thought you said hing
Hong I don’t know what I thought they I thought they changed his deal to Chinese guys uh the next one psycho Sid of course and then we’ve got one two three kid zanta Claus which is balls Mahoney and very briefly the ring Master which was horrible horrible next one we only
Got a few three count Shane Helm shanam Mo and Evan kages and briefly Tank Abbott who were a boy band in WCW they had a good character Legacy Randy Orton Tedy bassi Jr Cody rhods and briefly Manu and Sim snucker the firm in aew stokeley hathway Ethan page Gun Club
Matt Hardy and a bunch of others and then someone wrote and this got the most likes of any comments someone wrote uh any faction with Chris Jericho now these were the worst apparently these are the worst yeah the these are the said any faction with Chris Jericho yeah I don’t remember any
Faction with Chris Jericho I remember really Loving In fairness no now these are the ones that I know you’ve got an opinion on the Next Generation in TNA of Eric Watts David Flair and Brian laa dead before arrival horrible who came up with that one wasn’t
Me hey the only thing I came up with really in TNA that’s worth even talking about where’s The Knockouts where’s The Knockouts and and and in uh Queen Bundy King Kong Queen Kong Queen Kong uh next one your favorite the maximum male modles terrible I never even did they ever have a
Match he must have done at some point they may have had one match but they weren’t impressive and I thought that would would have killed La Knight but it didn’t he came back later as La night and got over the next one is retribution led by Mustafa Ali and featuring mace slapjack
Tar who someone also wrote teabag Reckoning and retaliation so this is the Mustafa ali uh and that was when they was in that that that that dark gym like Street De horrible and didn’t Shane McMahon be like the one of the leaders of that wasn’t Shan mcmah doing one of the
Underground thing that was it yeah I thought that was it the next one uh you were in the company at the time WWE The Authority Triple H and Stephanie McMan L 15 members in all including Kane Randy Orton The Shield J&J security Batista the New Age Outlaws Etc too
Complicated what do you think of I’m sorry I don’t I don’t know whose idea that was I think they were trying to get back to get that to get that Vince magic again Vince was magick all the things he did out there bence had more heat I think than anybody I’ve ever
Seen he could just walk to the ring and the people it was a if he could have actually Wrestled a little bit oh they’d have had a lot more sellouts than they had but they were trying to recapture magic in a bottle that they caught with Vince
McMahon when he was the boss and he was firing everybody but I will say that he had more heat than I’ve ever seen anybody out the one of the knocks I always heard at the time with Triple H and Stephanie McMahon and Stephanie in particular is that the biggest difference between that
And Vince mcmah when he was doing the corporation thing in the evil owner is that Vince mcmah got his muet all the time Conant several times a week sometimes where Stephanie never got her come never never never got it never got anything on her our Triple H but Vince
Got buried every week which gave him something to be mad about the next week I love to kiss my ass deal I know Jim R I know you oh I I I love that and you know Jim Ross he didn’t want to do it I don’t blame him
But then because Vince would make guys do things that he knew they would strongly strongly object to and Jim objected to that I heard but he couldn’t object too strongly because this boss wanted to do it but it actually turned out that Jim did get some sympathy off that and it
Got Vince over more it really did that was one of their most my most favorite segments that they did the to stick with the authority a couple of uh things I want to ask you about one is with the Stephanie man character on screen what did you think
Of her purely as a performer and a promo she was good when she when she cut a promo I mean if she had some good in there if she had a good writer but she always needed to I always thought that little pampered little Ritz girl that
Everybody’s going to do what she wants to do or she’d run and tell Daddy I don’t know if she ever said that but I think she needed a little bit of that she was really really strong and some of those interviews almost to the point of uh not really believing her
But over overdone just a little bit but she had heat too the uh to go back on the criticism I heard back in the day was that as I say Stephanie never got her comeuppance and she would emasculate the wrestlers in front of them or threaten to fire them
And the thing is is that they always sort of intimated that if you are fired from WWE you’re going to be on the bread line going to be claiming government subsistence that kind of thing where it sort of buried the company in that sense it’s like so like what do you not teach
These people to save or do you pay them so badly yeah I don’t never I think what she meant was they’re useless at anything else and they might make a living in WWE but if they had to go do something else they’d be in the bread line because they
Couldn’t get hired doing anything that’s what I got out of it the next one is Jim Cornet NWA faction in the WWF a heel rock and roll Express a heel Barry wind healed Jeff Jarrett and later on the fake new Midnight Express starring Bob Holly and Bart gun next up and I think
You work with these guys in the uswa version of it the truth commission quite a lot of people said the truth commission two different versions but the commant the South African actor I think he actually was an actor kgen Recon Who Bull uh who’s better known as
Bu Buchanan sniper who was a Luke poer who was a a Rambo I think in Germany tank who played mant in the WWF and then later in the WWF version The Jackal so the truth commission you so you actually work with these guys in uswa yeah I did but the truth
Commission people didn’t know who that was they showed no clips from South Africa or they explain what the truth commission was they tried to come out and do it on commentary people still didn’t get it South Africa was kind of in the news but most wrestling fans don’t I I wouldn’t
Follow news from South Africa I didn’t give a I knew what was going on but that was another thing that you know it’s like a comic sends a joke out and it doesn’t land the truth commission didn’t land I’m going to give you the wrestlers again you tell me a thumbs up thumbs
Down for them so the commandant the manager the South African manager any stories of him uh anything about him no they just they stayed to themselves I didn’t find them like guys to be very personable I mean they just kind of stayed stayed out to themselves most of
The time Kiran I don’t know if he was in uswa version was Kyan there I don’t think Kiran was there I don’t next one bull bu Canan I remember him he’s from Georgia right I think so yeah and no they wouldn’t a lot to him either there was it was nothing to many
Of them oh fair enough then uh the other two and then mant which is in In fairness he has a world I think he just passed away actually he has a world class terrible character in mant to his name that’s half horse half man right yeah it’s what
It’s supposed to be I think it’s meant to be like minur or something like that half pony that was it but but man him being a man manatar I got it but you know I just got that now menur is the is the little horse right
Manur because a man did it I got it oh the minur yeah oh I’m on yes so the what’s what’s the thing that’s half man half horse and then there’s the one that’s half beast half man who lives in a maze please oh there’s something there
Let’s move you lost me you’ve lost me someone said the Desperados can you believe stop it I cannot believe you brought up the Desperados I’m was a member of that Desperado group he could have gotten over but it was bored as a comedic group to in the beginning you know where it came
From Dusty roads Dusty no he was just he was watching this western movie one night on Sunday night whatever and he came up he was looking for something for blackbart to do and Randy collie and me so he threw us all together and made us The Stumbling bumbling Cowboys so we went
To someplace in North Carolina it’s like a little western town I forgot the name of it now and we shot all our vignettes there we shoted in a day and the purpose of it was we wanted to find Stan H Hansen for whatever reason they never made clear we never
Made clear I don’t know why we wanted to find him myself and we would go to shows and Stan would be on the card he would be in the same dressing room with us so when we would come out people say hey stand in the dressing room why don’t
You guys get him down talk to him it was just stupid we did it about three weeks or a month and it went South but you know who didn’t like that I heard Stan who really who Stan oh Stan hated it right before I I think Dusty told Stan
What we were he was planning to do with us and him well he didn’t like it worth anyway from the beginning so he just up and left so now we’re looking for a guy not even there because it was cut off by that two other guys who didn’t like it and complained
To Dusty was Sting and uh Lex Luger hated it you know why they hated it no it was taking time from them time could be better filled with them which hey I didn’t disagree with him but I mean it was going to end Anyway by by a hook or by a
Crook we we’d already killed the gimmick we’d already killed it dead a damn wingless duck so anyway it it didn’t last long no that that was a that was a real team effort to kill that that group everyone was at it although I like the vignettes they’re pretty funny well
That’s what I’m saying it could have this is what I think people don’t understand you got to have something it was a kids deal I think more than anything else and it was so stupid but I like stupid if it makes me and then let them do something
Okay at least you’ve told a story that they’re stupid or whatever but I think the ratings actually went up just a little bit when the Desperado did the interview let’s see what these guys are going to say it was stupid I agree but besting and Luger did not like
It and let their feelings be known I’m going to uh hopefully I think we might be able to get to the end of this list we’ll see uh Blackpool combat Club was mentioned a couple of times a cool name headed by William Regal who then promptly disappeared so the Blackpool in
Blackpool combat Club goes leaving Brian Danielson John Moxley wheeler UT and our friend Cesaro to sort of have like a a bit of a sort of like onscreen pointless Association because I mean the reason that they were all together has disappeared okay the name of it was the
Blackpool combat Club what does that mean Blackpool is a town in the UK where William Regal is supposedly from see to me I’m watching the show they would bring out the black pool combat I never heard one word that Regal was from Blackpool I guess they would announce
Him from Blackpool but he never did an interview in the town or made it a big deal about that’s why it’s named that but so and they supposed to just be a a Ruffian gang or what seaside resort Town Blackpool really it’s got peers it’s like Myrtle Beach it’s like
Oh yeah it’s like Fort Lauderdale like Co was it Coney Island you know it’s it’s just it’s just a work it’s just it’s a working class Seaside town it’s not really known for its street fighting I mean it probably is actually there’s a lot of you know bachelor
Parties and S that go there so there probably is a lot of fighting that happens okay and that this aew plays primarily in the states MH Tang on you’re saying as an American you don’t have an intimate knowledge of all the seaside resort towns in the UK no I I I
Do not okay leads leads where is leads that’s not on the Sea Side it’s not no give me a give me a a Seaside town in the UK see this is what I say about this show it’s kind of educational too so people here maybe get a little bit of a
UK education here we name a popular seaside resort in the UK Brighton Bournemouth skegness various different ones there you know you can go to anyway uh you do realize that the Blackpool combat Club is still going don’t you it’s still it still exists yeah I like the name I do
Like the name but there’s no reason for these four people to beat together as best I could tell anyway so it was it was named for Regal who left because that’s where he’s from yep who left now he’s in WWE f e WWE because his son is there is his son
There his son’s actually been loaned out to all Japan at the moment but yeah essentially he’s under contract what’s he look like you know pretty big kid pretty big kid I think he’s got quite long hair so he doesn’t there’s a passing resemblance to his dad I wouldn’t say he looks like
Identical okay all we’re gonna move on Aces and eights this was after you left but oh God that was screw that hated that team I hated that name and hated the groups how much of it did you watch Bully Ray was the leader that’s horrible I didn’t like it okay
Now Bully Ray usually I like Bully Ray stuff I do he’s got a good head for the business I didn’t like that have we ever talked about Bully Ray on this show uh a little bit I think have you got a story about Bully Ray Bubba Ray
For us because since we mentioned it why not bring it up Bully Ray he did a deal who was the woman the old old woman May young that that he power bombed off the top rope through a table I’m thinking and I used to like when he would land he’d look like
This like he was having a spasm and I went man and I think didn’t he do Dixie Carter too he may well have done he I know Power Bomb like Terry rynolds and like when he was doing the like power bombing women thing he got
Quite a few of them I think he got I think he got Dixie which actually elevated her in my eyes that she would even take it but I think she liked Bully Ray and he says I will protect you the whole way you never never feel
It and I don’t guess she did because she got up and she walked to the back we stretchered her to the back of course but she got up and she was fine so Bully Ray he must have had a way with talking people into doing that
Stuff if if okay say me if he come to me he says okay Dutch I’m GNA Power Bomb you or P drive you through a table from the top rope I would said I’m not doing I’m going to take some tape with me I’m taping
Myself to the top rope and you won’t be able to go anywhere with me you know so how he he he talked these people into it may is that was May young is that her name May young and she was like 80 and if I’m a fan and you can tell that
May was an elderly lady for him to do that I mean even if you’re protecting her you see man somebody’s gonna get killed here because you can’t play with doing stuff like that and he did it with may may young CER hell but to me that was believable that
He could get her up there and power bone not that he just got her up there that he powerbombed her crazy did you ever see any of the stuff where Bully Ray marri’s Brooke Hogan in TNA I think I was gone I know you were gone but I think I
Was no I didn’t see any of it how was it do you know I think for that time it was like probably the most entertaining stuff they’ve done in quite a while it it was good I may go back and try to to find that I think we’ve got we’ve got time
For a few more so men on a mission you were in the company in WWF at the time that Mabel and Mo and rapper Oscar was there any memories of any of the three in fact see a company like WWE I didn’t travel with them actually we said in different parts of
The I mean I I sat close to them but I was never I I just knew them never knew any they never shared any intimate stories with me and I never went drinking with them because I didn’t drink I never did anything I just at that time I just wanted to go to
The town do the job and go home basically is what I wanted to do next one several people said the dark order had 16 members uh what people have said is only ever good when Brody Lee was the head of the dark order doing a vinc m man impression mostly a bunch of
Nameless faceless types currently comprised well that’s that’s mostly a ew now anyway they bring guys out there and I have been I’ve been watching the show not lately but I was why and I didn’t know who any of these people were Tony Khan has a problem introducing
Characters he do throw them out there a bunch of mass guys with Mex names and you know that they would use in Mexico but really no backstory on them he’s got one guy there what’s and he’s very very good what is his name he didn’t wear a
Mask not the Avenger I say you’re not narrowing it down too much there guy doesn’t wear a mask yeah and but he does the Mexican style he does a crazy stuff you know who I’m talking about no well I wish I I wish I well I don’t
Know his name hey I’ve been hit on the head a couple hundred thousand times I forget we’ll move on WE we’ve got a few more left the League of Nations I hated this one wait and they’re all good oh that they that was when I first started managing uh Del Rio
Yeah I think the League of Nations here’s a story about that I went out with Del Rio started managing nobody told me me that Del Rio was in the main event that night so I left nobody told me so when it come time and Vince said where’s Ze where’s Ze and
They went looking and they come make says zeb’s gone Vince he went that’s son of a Oldtimer bastard let’s go didn’t say nothing about it he just said oldtime and Let It Go course I could have told them from the moment they put me with Alberto de
Rio that was Dead on Arrival too I tried to tell them but you can’t tell them because I mean it’s their idea and if you say well what do you think about this this well now you’re trying to change it and they thought it was a great idea it didn’t make sense at
All especially for me and Del Rio to even be together because I was trying to kill him when I left and then when I come back now I’m teaming up with him I’ve got something else to add to this so w Wade Barry Wade Barrett Sheamus Alberto Del Rio and
Rusev four foreigners is League of Nations that’s what it is four foreigners who are all fed to Roman Reigns all guys got under rather than over I think I think that’s fair to say all everyone came out it was right and I knew that’s what they were going to do
So how could this group get over if we were put together just to be you know to do the job for Roman nothing wrong with doing the job for Roman but they went to Big extremes to put these International uh guys together and then but it was more UK than anything well
Ireland well whatever but I’ve got a big question for you now so Alberto Del Rio I don’t know if this was quite recently gave an interview where he said backstage at Wrestlemania 32 I can’t remember if you were there not off the top of my head Del Rio said that there
Was a big fight between three versus one essentially uh and we don’t know who was on what side Wade Barrett Sheamus Alberta Del Rio Rusev about a minute before they were due to go out on stage at Wrestlemania 32 so this was happening in gorilla position where there was some sort of
Big disagreement over something one of the those four was having a big complaint and someone else apparently got him up against the wall you know Don Harris Shawn Michaels style I don’t remember that I wasn’t there are you WrestleMania what 32 I wasn’t there at 32 okay right I was
There at 29 and 30 uh people said Matt Hardy family faction people said the social outcast with Heath Slater Bo Dallas Adam Rose and poor old Curtis Axel which I I was just think he could have really he was lumbered with one terrible name after another the poor guy
Uh several people said the new world order but specifically the later versions either the 999 version or the NWO black and silver versions a couple of people have said the elite of the young books and Kenny Omega and ad page now this is one that I didn’t know
Someone said the world Elites which is TNA Eric Young Doug Williams Magnus again Nick Aldis Mr Pogo Kyoshi homicide shik Abdul Basher which was daari Rob Terry and Kevin Nash again do you remember this group no I kind of I kind of remember them but remember where was most of my time in
TNA spent in catering we shall move on the conage uh Awesome Kong graa Shahed who was Cheerleading Melissa SoJO bolt and the useless rakaan now we I don’t think we’ve spoken about SoJO bolt I don’t remember who was she she was uh I’m trying to say it’s Jackie but it
Wasn’t Jackie I don’t think think it wasn’t Jackie she was pretty good I had nothing to do with putting this group together I did I am responsible for for putting Awesome Kong with raisha SED I thought that was an awesome pairing because that was a Muslim woman standing by ringside with Awesome Kong
And now you wonder how did they meet each other and and I knew as soon as I got away from raisha I they were going to kill her kill her off or yank something off of or something but and I thought I would actually get a lot more heat for having
A Muslim character around that ring but I heard nothing I heard nothing from Spike we were on Spike then it’s Paramount now but nobody said anything and I said wow I thought I would hear something because I thought they would fear that I would do something to uh like embarrass the Muslim population
Of the world which is the least thing I wanted to do but they let it go so but they really really really did look good together they were the only group like that in wrestling and still up to that point we’ve had very few Muslim characters anyway in wrestling they just
Don’t deal with it I think they’re afraid of it they are now we will talk about this is the penultimate group we’re not going to talk about them this time we’ll talk about them another time the main event Mafia TNA the retread of the millionaires Club in WCW essentially the
First group was Kevin asash sting bookery Scott Steiner Christian Cage Samo Jo and Tracy Brooks and the second version was Sting Kurt Angle who was the very skinny version of Kurt Angle at this point Samoa Joe Magnus Nick Elvis again uh Rampage Jackson the MMA fights Rampage Jackson but we’ll talk about
That another time because I really want to talk end this podcast on excuse me another TNA group that quite a few people said and I’m wondering if you remember these this was in 2004 you were in the company you were doing the writing at the time the kings of
Wrestling Scott Hall Kevin Nash and Jeff Jarrett all dressed as Elvises or elvi or however you want to do the you want to do that right okay imagine imagine I’m sitting in the creative room with Vince and the thing about Vince is he had some wild ass ideas
But some of them weren’t bad and they all had a a penchant for Elvis and I think I saw the match what were they called the Kings of what the kings of wrestling we’ll talk about the match in in a in a minute but the uh the
Group itself why would they dressed as Elvis’s they just liked Elvis I guess far as I know we had no reason I don’t know and I said all the Mad would you said we’d talk about the match another time but that was when they Randy Savage
First premiered right yeah his last M I have no idea I have no idea why they were dressed as Elvis and if I called up Jeff right now I said why were you guys dressed as Elvis I don’t think Jeff was dressed as Elvis so but Nash and Hall
Were they were dressed as Elvis so ask me why I don’t know I have no idea I’ve Got a Theory and uh hear me out on this Scott Hall was past his prime by a few years now he was you know the alcoholism had taken a hold his body had definitely changed you
Could see it in his face you know it was a lot more puffy and stuff like that I’ve got a theory that they dressed him up as Elvis so he could be in a full bodysuit because normally he’d be wearing the trunks I I’ve Got a Theory
That this was an excuse to give him a full bodysuit good theory okay why did Nash wear it too I don’t know just cuz he Goofy and he thought it’d be funny I suppose that’s the only thing I can figure out well I don’t think they went to the
Store and found a suit an Elvis suit that could fit Kevin Nash he’s he’s a 611 so he’d have to be specially made but they did have a woman that worked there that was her job so she probably she probably put it together for him but and I’m watching the match we gonna
Talk about the match later no we’re going to talk about it right now then so uh the biggest match that the kings of wrestling were involved in was a six-man bout at Turning Point 2004 TNA pay-per-view against Jeff Hardy AJ Styles and I remember this was a huge
Deal at the time the very last match of Macho Man Randy Savage who had come out of retirement who probably hadn’t wrestled in about four years at this point talk about the process of getting Savage to wrestle again that took I think that took some money because he didn’t want to wrestle
He didn’t mind appearing on the show he didn’t mind appearing doing the commentating he just he was always very vain about how he looked so and even when he came out he had El sudon I think no no he had like an all black kind of thing he was like one of
Like the stage hands when he came out well I I thought well what I saw I thought he had like a little bit of a a knockoff of a Elvis suit too but why was he late coming to that match remember he was way way late I I don’t know reason that they
Couldn’t get him to come or he said he wouldn’t come but and they tried to get out of it no you signed a match so it’s going to be three versus two so it was the kings of of uh rock and roll or whatever it was
Versus uh who was it AJ and who Jeff Hardy and Savage Jeff hard yeah but Savage wasn’t there so he was three on two most of the time and then finally he came out and at the very end in there some people popped when he came out and
He got the tag and came in there and cleaned the house and one two three and ends up actually beating Jeff what do you think of Savage’s performance in that match it was it was basic it was basic as it could be that’s all he wanted to do and
Jeff to keep the peace says go ahead and beat me just beat me and so K Hall and Nash didn’t get pinned and and I don’t think we ever saw uh Hall after that again anyway I think he came back in like 2010 briefly uh after he left but yeah I
Think yeah shortly after this yeah shortly after this they all sort of disbanded I um but I think Jeff the keep the piece said take it on me and of course when the heels got beat they left and the baby faces were standing tall in the ring
But I kind of felt sorry for Jeff in that he did he did all the work for that team and got beat but and he owned part of the company than he does the job so he wanted it to go so but anybody who knows anything about
Wrestling getting beat is not the worst thing you know you can always be rejuvenated you can be revived and we did revive Jeff later on not too long after that so I respect him for that if you were to guess roughly how much do you think Savage made for those
Appearances have you got any idea I have no idea but I would say and I’m probably way way wrong but 10 grand you think or maybe more is a pay-per-view wasn’t it it yeah maybe 20 I you must have seen Spider-Man the original one where Savage is in it
Briefly for a couple of minutes and he go Bonar is ready and he fights Spider-Man in the cage yeah he looked amazing in that film I mean that was like the biggest he’s ever looked and then like just two years later for turning point I mean he’s got like a
Full long sleeve sweater on all in black I hate to say it but he he’s just completely gone you know F follicularly challenged at that point even when he went to the Ring of the match even when he went to the ring in this match we’re talking about he was almost completely
Bald yeah and he had his hair dark had it in a ponytail I don’t well yeah he had a little bit of a ponytail he could he could have a the thing the hair in the back the mullet we call it a skullet you know the
Hulk Hogan thing but all the top of his head is kind of kind of gone no hair and I was so bummed out because like you know like so flamboyant over the years and he he seemed to age really quickly in the space of like two years there so
I don’t know what happened at the time I think he died not too long after that no he died about seven years afterwards he died in like 2011 did he yeah yeah he actually looked better like 2011 he died he actually looked better like around
2010 look at when he died I was Inna when he died I think no I think hang on I’m got right Randy Savage I’ll do it on my phone and then we’ll call it a day on the podcast May 20th 2011 really yep so that was about good
18 months plus after you left TNA I am in I’m in a alter Universe he looked better when he bowled it out and just let it all go gray in a big bit he looked better then so I so for whatever reason he wasn’t in
The gym but anyway uh and then he would never wrestle again after this match so on that notes we what I think happened to to Savage toward the end he finally married his high school sweetheart you read that yeah married on the beach and I think he was for the first
Time in his life and I know Randy pretty well I think he was truly happy and I’m glad for that so when he had the heart attack or whatever he had and he hit that tree at least he had happiness right before he died so I’ve never asked you this when
Was the last time you spoke to Randy well it was before he died well yeah I’d hope so Randy sorry I just had to get that in there but uh the last time I guess when he was in that run in TNA that’s the last time I was he was living in
Florida and usually when I get away from guys I don’t care I just I I don’t call them up I just I know them if I need to call I mean I I can call him but as far as staying in close contact I never stayed in close contact with him
But but uh probably last time I talked to him is actually during that probably that period that we showed that tape when he had that six-man tag in TNA having said that now we’re going to close the podcast here and we are back to normal schedule ladies and gentlemen so last
Week excuse me wheezing uh last week we had one giant episode just on Friday we didn’t do the fan question episode that appears on Tuesday just because there was so much news but from now on we are back to our regularly scheduled programming so we have an episode on
Tuesday coming out and if you want to submit your question for Dutch for that Tuesday or any other Tuesday you go to you don’t go to anyway you email it into questions for @gmail.com and as you know we got books and everything like we don’t need to do
The plugs again thank you very much for watching we are here every Friday every Tuesday at 8:00 a.m. eastern and we will see you on Tuesday I’m sorry I’m just watching Dutch waiver hat in my face uh and all that has remained for me to say dutches we the people see you Tuesday
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Sorry but IDK if this is "in character" or just some stereotypes you think of americans, what Dutch said: "I didn't watch the news, but I knew what was going on" As americans always think they know whats going on in other counrtries, while they don'tm because they don't care. 😀 and "mexian names the use in mexico" work or real, it made me laugh! 🤣
40% of the time they are halfways right. – Dutch Mantell
😂🤣
I think people are miss remembering Stephanie McMahon not getting her "comeuppance" because there is a 30 minute video of just her being stunnered, slapped, punched, kicked, knocked out. And a 1hr video of people saying the most horrific, mean, and vulgar things to her face, often before she gets knocked out.
I think people just don't remember it because she didn't wrestle, and it was such a long period of time.
minitor – half man head of looked like a buffalo head
the other elvis imitatater group was the flying elvises hd sonny siaki and cant rember the other 2 guys
Dutch Man back
Wwf fans are a buch of sheep hhh lap riding morons😂
The real news topic is the huge 2 seperate billion dollar lawsuits coming up against TKO which effects WWF and will bsnkrupt Endevor that's why are you Emmanuel is trying to take the public company private😂
Yes, Dutch Lets Go, Forever and always.
Never in my wildest dreams would I have expected to hear Skegness come up in any podcast let alone a wrestling one
My favourite podcast ,I could listen to Dutch all day makes a long car 🚙 go by fun and fast
Wrestling isn't difficult to understand when Dutch explains it.
28:49 Jesus fucking Christ, Cornette and now Dutch are completely wrong about Kross. Creative have gotten behind him. Triple H is creative and is finally starting to bring Kross back to how he was presented in NXT UNDER TRIPLE H's creative.
Matt Stryker should have been Tammy's defence lawyer.
46:49 THAT incident was between Goldberg and Riddle and it was filmed by WWE cameras
AEW is the best wrestling company nowadays. Trying to imagine Tony is killing it is like imagining Vince was killing WWE. Vince did real stupid things and WWE was always fine. AEW is bigger than one person and it will be safe and sound too
The only thing that goes through tony khan's mind is columbian booger juice and ketamine.🤨😤❄️☃️
Remember when billionares use to just spend their money on hookers and drugs, instead of wrestlers and white powder.
Damn, dutch I bidded $130 for a signed dutch hat! Is mine in the mail?
1:08:00 It was over social and political views. Jericho is a Christian and a Trumper; MVP is an atheist and hates Trump
Dutch get well soon.
Love the show! Keep them coming.
God bless you guys
How can Tony Khan criticize anyone's booking. Tony Khan is the worst booker ever. AEW is the total shits.
My 2 cents on the Tony Khan vs. Jinder Mahal Twitter Showdown: On the subject of "Samoa Joe vs. HOOK" World title match next week, I checked out Hook's singles record and looked up who he won against. He basically defeated Ethan Page (5 times), Matt Hardy (on Dynamite in 2023), and the following on AEW Rampage: Fuego del Sol, Bear Bronson, JD Drake, Anthony Henry, Lee Moriarty, Zack Clayton, Serpentico (2 times), Blake Li, QT Marshall, Ari Daivari, Ricky Starks, The DKC, Exodus Prime, Baylum Lynx, Stokely Hathaway, Peter Avalon, Angelo Parker, Rocky Romero. Jack Perry (All In, London 2023) and Wheeler Yuta (AEW Worlds End 2023) recently…Not your upper midcard and main event talent…Does he deserve a World title shot? No. Because he started his AEW career in 2021 (still Green), and the Calibur of his opponents are mostly midcarders he faced on AEW Rampage.
The difference between Jinder Mahal (who is facing Seth Rollins for the WWE World title 2 days before) and Hook is that Mahal has been in wrestling for over 12 years. He started his WWE career in their pre-NXT development system, Florida Championship Wrestling. Hook is in his 3rd year as Mahal is in his 14th year. Hook has 46 matches (7 Pay Per View) in total, Mahal has 739 matches (26 Pay Per View). It all comes down to how long you have been in the business and number of matches are involved in. Since, TK is a stats guy, he ought to know that.
Storyline wise, Rollins defeated Mahal to become the first NXT champion in 2012 so it makes sense to book this match. As for the Hook/Joe one, is TK's of thinking: "since Triple H booked a title match against a guy who only showed up once out of the blue, then I will book one out of spite on the same week with no build-up because I looked up Hook's record and thought this guy deserves a title match regardless of the fact how many matches he had in his career."
On a side note, I am glad you are feeling better, Mr. Mantell. There's on old tagline on a local Pittsburgh SportsBeat show hosted by the late Stan Savran, "loved the show." 🙂
AOP should be called AOJ ako Authors Of Jobbers.
His name is Zebikiah 😂 I love his name.
If u are indeed one of these "people" that are complaining about their merch order not being filled, I'd assume that Dutch doesn't really want ur money. If you don't have an ounce of compassion for a man that was in the hospital for 28-29 days, ur truly a piece of work
I love you Dutch! you make me laugh!!!!! glad you're back and on the mend
I think tony is mad at jinder because jinder turned down an offer to join aew when they were starting. at time jinder was just off being the champ and would have been a steal for tony to sign a recent former wwe champ. of course tony forced jnder to sign NDA about offer so no one talks about it.
no aces and eights? no los barricuas? disciples of apocalypse? nation of nomination? truth commission?dudley boys? nwo? kai en tai? heenan family?
the desparados could have gotten over— if they didn't hve the collosal black hole of charisma and anchor dragging them down known as dirty.
Brian Danielson comes back early to take part in the Continental Breakfast Classic Tournament to not win it, great idea
Ghost Town Maggie Valley N.C.
The half man half horse is a centaur which is just made for a themed holiday resort called centaur oarks
Cant believe great yarmouth didnt get a mention in the seaside resorts
What was so hard to understand about The Varsity Club? Is Dutch confusing them with the Dungeon of Doom?