ANTHONY JOSHUA BEATS NGANNOU BY KO! 💥| EP55 | talkBOXING with Simon Jordan & Spencer Oliver

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I’ disagreeing with but Simon it’s called prize fighting and anony Joshua is get astronomical money every knows it’s prize fighting right everyone knows what that means right your accusation against who I think he wins a world title does he win a world title against usyk I think usyk does him again I

Expect him to probably win inside the distance probably stop him in in the second half of the fight There welcome to talk boxing with Simon Jordan and Spencer Oliver this is episode 55 and at the request of the producer that’s Glory hunting don’t forget to go down to the description below and vote for us in the best sports podcast in the combat section anyway Spence episode 55

Incredible same as your IQ we’ve reached the level how you all right I’m good I’m all right um we’ve seen some interesting news interesting to some perhaps ridicule to others which is the the announcing of uh the fight between Anthony Joshua and Francis Sanu yeah in

Saudi I’ve got a perspective on it but what was yours I totally understand it I think that obviously Anthony Joshua we thought Anthony Joshua was going to go down that road of Philip hergovich for the vacant ibf title once the Undisputed have been um had taken place on February

The 17th Alexander us um Tyson Fury we then hear that the titles were then going to become relinquished and some of them yeah some of them were the ibf is one of those titles herovic told me that when we was out at Saudi last time and he was waiting for that opportunity

Anthony Joshua take it beating Otto Walling took that number two spot so that’s where we was at with it that’s where we thought was going to happen now I think they’re on the understanding that that title might not be vacant by March the 9th y so next in steps in

Francis andu I I believe that Francis andu had done a deal with the sis as well anyway anony Joshua’s just done a new two- fight deal Francis and garu now and then we see the the fight for the ibf title against Philip bovic that’s my understanding it that’s where we’re at

With it do I like the fight yeah I do and the reason I like the fight is because of the way Francis angu handled himself against Tyson Fury a lot of people felt that he’d even won that fight he proved that he was more than capable of competing at that level so I

Think it’s a decent fight which Camp are you in Spence were you in the camp that Tyson Fury didn’t prepare for this fight wasn’t focused didn’t go in with a suitable amount of Menace and enabled Francis in ganu to get a foothold in the fights are you in the camp that he did

Prepare for his fight he just underestimated inaru andalu was better than people anticipated yeah I think that angu was definitely better than people anticipated I think it was that that that having No Fear Factor going into the fight for Tyson Fury may he may have underprepared a little bit looking

At his body shape I would say that he didn’t prepare to the best of his ability I think that that’s probably fair to say I think the fury probably felt that he had to just turn up to win the fight and I think he then recognized that angu was actually better than than

He originally thought and I think that that was that was probably where we was at with it it was more I mean there’s always there was always there was never any doubt was there that Inu was going to be resilient there was never any doubt that a that a fell that does what

He does or what he had done yeah um was going to have resilience and be robust but the fact that this was his first professional boxing fight the fact that he’d been out of the ring for two years yeah the fact they had had I think a

Knee rebuild or some sort of cruset cruset surgery would lead you to a conclusion that Tyson Fury if he’s as good as we say he is and if these boxers are as good as they say they are yeah then when they come up against an MMA fighter irrespective of how robust they

Are and how able to take a shot they are you would expect the Floyd Mayweather Conor McGregor effect to manifest itself 100% CU it would the other way around wouldn’t it abs like a fighter a boxer to an oxygen we would expect the MMA fighter to come out triumphant and relatively quickly

Given the dynamic so why doesn’t it translate the other way around well it sort of does I think that you know you know there’s no excuse for the way the is Fury performed I mean taking nothing away from angu in his performance because I think that tactically he had

His spot on you know he went there and he had a game plan and he stuck to it but like you say like this is a guy in a new discipline he’s never boxed before he’s never been in the boxing ring against a WBC heavyweight and what many

People recognize as the number one heavyweight in the world today and the way that he handled that and the way that he dealt with that was incredible and I think that there’s you know I think that’s one the going into the fight with the unknown with Tyson Fury

Not having that Fear Factor and going in there thinking he’s just got to turn up to win this contest I think that showed there in that but that’s taking nothing away from anu’s performance but I think that Tyson Fury underperformed terribly but it is laughable it’s actually one of

The worst performances I’ve seen from Tyson Fury and and and and and I agree but it is there isn’t any credibility really in the WBC giving Inu a number 10 ranking is there no right for one fight against Tyson Fury now we were con we were disdainful of the fight I think we

Understood because we were brbe into understanding it by Frank Warren that this was a Gateway an opportunity to open the floodgates for the Saudis to wet their beaks yeah they’ve done it before clearly there’s been fights over in Saudi because we’ve seen them we’ve seen Joshua fight usyk over there yeah

But the idea now was for Saudi to take over sure certainly boxing scene and we saw that manifest itself on the December 23rd card where you’ve got a whole raft of heavyweights a pack of them thrown on the table maybe not in the order that we

Wanted them to land and the opponents we wanted to land against but they all got on the same card and all the promoters sat there all Pat one another on the back because Saudis took away their financial problems and just gave them what they wanted but is there credibility because I didn’t think

There’s credibility in the first fight I don’t think there’s much credibility in the second fight in terms of Inu yeah I I don’t think that I have I have any different attitude irrespective of the fact that Banu proved that he was resilient and and Tyson Fury to proved

That he in my view took it lightly yeah um that enanu and Anthony Joshua has any more credibility does it have any more credibility than Inu versus Fury I’m glad you said that because I think absolutely yes I mean you can’t not think that it’s going to be an appetite

For Anthony Joshua versus Francis andu stylistically going into this fight there is going to be an interest in this fight because of the way that Francis and ganu performed against forget about Tyson Fury and what he done and he’s you know he’s his um approach to that fight

And the way that he turned up to that fight I’m looking at Fran and ganu and going you’ve come out with a lot of credibility there and that is now makes makes this fight against Ang josa very intriguing for me absolutely I think that there’s a yeah there there’ll be a

Huge interest in it there will be of course there will be because the MMA Community think that there’s a whole opportunity here but do you not think that that fres and gonu the way that he performed against I and fury makes this fight an interesting

Fight um not really no and not being a contrarian by saying that because for what reasons though because I I maintain the view unless you’re going to dissuade me a bit that if in in the discipline that you are the expert in you bring someone from a different field in you

Should be able to conduct it the way you want to right if these boxers if these Fighters what they say they are they’re the best in the you know on what their record suggest that they are which is the cream of the crop the top of their fields right then they should make

Moderately light work of an MMA fighter in the same way that an MMA fighter would make light work which we believed before that fight by the way yeah so I I I look at this and go does lightning strike twice does do do people look at

This in the same way does Anthony Joshua because I think there’s a a thought process and it might be me on on my conspiracy theory route but I think there’s a thought process from Anthony Joshua is we’ll do things that Fury’s done and we’ll do them better mhm we’ll

Be wall Wallin made it difficult for Fury we made mince meat of Wallin we’ll deal with Inu because it opens up a different dialogue because Tyson Fury as we know and as we’ve seen and Frank War and the same are the cats that have got the cre yeah they’re the ones with a

Relationship with the Saudis and they’re the ones that are calling the shots and I wonder how happy Tyson is to see Anthony Joshua doing deals with the Saudis perhaps not under his perceived jurisdiction because we all listened to what Tyson told us about how he shouldn’t have to cure airports and how

He should have to pay tax on certain things because of the revenue he brings in the UK and how valued he was in Saudi and how undervalued he is in this in the UK that strikes me as someone getting a tad carried away of themselves yeah but you’ve now got Anthony

Joshua sort of correcting perspectives because I I believe that he’ll go in there and he will deal with inano I don’t think he’ll blast him out but I think he’ll deal with him as a leading heavyweight should deal with a potential novice yeah I think that I think what

Anthony Joshua is doing he’s he’s regaining ground I think that Anthony Joshua over the last few years has lost you know a lot of respect from the fans maybe a lot of you know and a lot of the the haters if you like you know writing Anthony Joshua off saying that he’s

Finished at top level he but he helped them with it yeah Los but he’s also redeemed himself a lot of Theo Wallin performance and I think he’ll do even he’ll do more so against France andu because I think going into the angu fight is now with Anthony Joshua where

Tyson Fury was going into the unknown he didn’t know what Anu was bringing to the table Joshua does now know that and the Fear Factor is there the preparation will be different and I think that the performance will but there’s never been any indications at any time that Anthony

Joshua has never prepared for a fight properly he might have been ill advised taking usyk first time round because he might have been kidded into believing usk was there to be taken right but never any time and I’ve laid lots of criticism at his door there’s never been

An accusation he’s underprepared so I don’t expect him to be underprepared for the enanu fight I just look at it and say the reasons why this fight is happening and this is what I my concern is and it’s a concern that I can have and people can ridicule and I’m sure

That the promoters will look at it and go what do you know I don’t like the fact that the Saudis are dictating the pace of what happens in boxing yeah we’re talking about I tell you why what I mean by that we are being suggested that there’s a there’s a new sheriff in

Town that the the boxing world has to accept the Saudis are here to play and stay and that the capital of boxing is likely to be rad yeah and in Saudi right and the Las Vegas is of the world and London the world are going to eat their dust

Economically if that is then mirrored by the Saudis dictating what fights look like because I don’t think there was credibility I don’t think Anthony Joshua needs to fight Francis in ganu I think he’s fighting Francis in ganu because the money that’s on offer is so significant and because the S is wanted

Yeah but I think he’s fight fighting for AR and garu because of the ibf situation the Philip herovic fight which is on the table don’t and I yeah that’s what I’m saying so I think it’s just he doesn’t have to fight in March does he just come

Off the back he just come off the back back of a very quick turnaround de March I tell you why he’s fight the end of the r he had one fight in 2020 one fight in 21 one fight in 22 and he’s had three fights in 2023 and look at the look at

The and how he proved since then confidence in his own ability get and that’s what he’s I get it and I’m not criticizing asley Joshua in this perspective what I’m saying is he doesn’t have to fight F in ganu he doesn’t have to fight in March right the

Reasons why he’s fighting Francis in ganu and the reasons why he’s fighting in March is because Francis zingu was on a deal with the Saudis the Saudis want this crossover the economics of the fight are so unturn doubtable that Anthony wants it and he’s fighting in March because that closes the season off

And the Saudis are out commission for a period of time he could wait and fight a more meaningful Challenger in terms of zil Jang yeah and the economics may not be as great but the idea the whole purpose of this my objection to it if I have one

Which I really don’t but I don’t I don’t like I don’t like everyone being the saud’s poodle yeah and the Saudis are basically saying we’re going to be the boxing Capital World Vegas would never have said that a the the the underpinning of their concept of boxing

Was we need to put a mixed martial arts fighter in I get it but I what what I understand is Joshua wants to become fre time World Heavyweight Champion that ibf fight is going to happen with Philip hovic we’re looking at probably May June I’m not I’m not disagreeing with but

Simon it’s called prize fighting and Anthony Joshua is get astronomical money for fighting France and G and it will do huge get this is been trotted out by lotss of people in boxing this lovely every knows it’s prize fighting right everyone knows what that means right

Absolutely at the end of the day why would you put in at the end of the day also people want to see credible fights between the best fighters right so it’s great that we all what the the antidote what the antidote for everyone’s argument is Right everyone time every

Time someone says well hang on a second there’s better fights well hang on a second they are prize Fighters well we know that and josua isn’t going show the BB or two is he absolutely so the point is he’s taking in ganu because it’s a money fight that the Saudis want and

There are other fights he could take and he’s not going to fight Philip hergovich until June July August right yeah so he could take another fight from a credible heavyweight which I don’t think Inu is angano is a onetick pony that’s got credibility got surely and he he give

Tyson Fury Tyson Fury had kittens in in that fight there he had he had a life would they’ve struggled I’m advocate for the purpose of the conversation I just think that Anthony Joshua will in yeah with all respect to him he will do what Tyson Fury should have done M which is

Deal with an MMA fighter that’s very robust and very resilient and we will learn nothing more because despite the performance against Walling and people that were mean-spirited will say that Walling was all mouth and trousers and didn’t turn up right he wasn’t allowed to Joshua dealt with him right but what

We haven’t learned and what we still not the wiser of on this Joshua 2.0 that we’re talking about is whether we can take a shot and come back from from it in the way that he had to against Klitschko in previous that’s the overriding question when does Anthony

Joshua regain that respect right and you say like the way that he dealt with v w and you go you can’t deny what that is he goes and beats France and ganu then he boxes for the ibf title and he he he he boxes Philip herich and then people

Go well yeah herich is not really in that you go you’ve got to where this guyle holder right and when he gets in does he win the world title for the third time do you think Anthony Joshua yes I think that Anthony Joshua so you didn’t say that before no because I the

Pathway has been cleared for him does he win a world title hold on hold on does he win a world title against Tyson Fury I I’m I’m not sure I don’t think so Tyson Fury we saw s place but it’s it’s a closer fight than you originally

Thought well only because of what we’ve seen from Tyson Fury in a recent fight and we see people suggesting the reasons why meeting people in the middle of the ring is because he can’t move about anymore and all that sort of stuff right if the Tyson Fury that we’ve seen that

We’ve laid our hat upon recently um not so much the chora fights but previous fights against dillian white and against Deontay Wilder the Deontay Wilder that wasn’t held up by some Retreat and doing Kum all that nonsense right the real de Wilder right that Tyson Fury beats

Anthony Joshua yeah the Tyson Fury we’ve got now may not do it but I still think he does and I’ll go on to the your question your accusation against do I think he wins a world title does he win a world title against usyk I usyk does

Him again now does he win a world title because the pathway is being cleared because of a unification fight with hugovic who I think is a strong fighter but not not not not a real risk for Joshua in terms of Fury of what Fury and

And um and uh usk are yes I now do because the landscape has changed put him in against zil say I think he’ll win that fight but also you can only go off last performances and you look at Anthony Joshua’s last performance Tyson F’s last performance and you go now

That’s actually a really interesting then lewood would never have been Macio Lara in the rematch would he no no but it’s not yeah no but yeah but you only go off last performances what I’m saying is if you say you’re talking about Tyson Fury go if this Tyson Fury

Turns up or if that us we go we don’t know that that’s you you asked me a question and question was you haven’t heard me talk about Joshua winning a world title for the third time the only reason I’m now suggesting it is because the pathway is being cleared there was

Never an option we never sat here discussing the option of maybe a vacated Belt being available for two contenders and one of them being Philip hich who we both know lost to zil zagen AB got result and wasn’t particularly impressive against mcy mcken agreed right and then his most recent fight

Against Mark de Mora well off what fight come on was which means none that wasn’t a fight for was itut and I’m not suggesting the guys a fool because he’s a decent fighter but I think and there’s levels in this game as you will tell me and Andrey Joshua is on a different

Level to Philip hugovic but do you think if he turns up with what we’re seeing here in Saudi Arab like you say you’ve got Anthony Joshua here going in against Fran and garu you’re GNA have Deontay Wilder on the undercard Joseph Parker on the undercard Z’s hanging the under God

What I’m saying is we do understand what the Saudis are doing we are going to get these Fighters fighting each other I think that is what the the long-term goal is and I think that that’s only good for the sport well we will see we will see do you expect Anthony what do

You expect from Anthony in this fight this fight’s been made there lots of noise in it Eddie’s going to be pleased because he cash Cal’s back on the in the on on the on the tracks again um I don’t know how Frank will feel if Frank Frank war is controlling the direction of

Travel it’s still a Queensbury promotion these things are all to be to be to be determined the Saudis will do what the Saudis want yeah if anybody thinks that they’re controlling this process the Saudis will do what they want but do you think in this fight and so they should

They’re the money they’re the money but what do you expect do you expect him to to to to to beat him convincingly or do you expect him to do what it takes to win which timately he used his at a boxer rather than getting involved in a

Fight yeah I think that you know he has to be careful with France andu going into this fight because of andu style he’s quite unpredictable in the way that he fights he’s very aggressive in the way that he fights Joshua can’t afford to get involved and get clipped the way

That Fury did so he’s got to be it’s got to be an educated performance I expect Jos to do the job and I expect him to probably win inside the distance probably in the second half of the fight yeah but only if he’s educated about the

Way that he approaches it there is what I’m saying is the reason the fight is interesting and when the reason why the fight appeals to me is because there is a chance angu could clip Joshua and that’s what makes the fight intriguing you go because it’s not just like a full

Gone conclusion Joshua has to approach the do we agree I mean I know I know it’s not a vcal conclusion because we’re debating it but in in the great scheme of things put aside what we saw with Tyson Fury yeah and and in Galu and I know we can’t because it’s there and

It’s evidence it’s the evidence and you only go on the last fight but if if Joshua turns up and operates the way he should yeah he should be able to negotiate this fight with a degree of comfort shouldn’t I agree and the same comfort that Fury should have been able

To negotiate I agree right so with that in mind we don’t really learn that much about Anthony Joshua in this fight but we’ve learned enough in your view to say that he’s that after the Walling fight he gets paid for this fight shapo well done he’s earned the right to do that

The Saud want the Saudis want it the Saudis get it right so he gets that and then he moves on to herovic that’s where you think the expected route is likely to be absolutely and you expect him to be hergovich too absolutely and and it’s only because of the consistency that

Anthony Joshua’s had over the last year or so this will be the full fight in the last year going against Frances and G and I think that that’s where he’s been lacking that’s what I said about you know previously about the fights one two three fights in the last three years

Before this year before calendar year and I think that that has been so important to Anthony Joshua and where he’s at right now and I think that that’s why he’s back at the top of the game and he’s back in the top of the tree I think you know you got to throw

His name in the Hat now with the with the heavyweights and his name was not in that hat you know if you go back six months ago so you know if you go back to the Franklin fight people were going no they Rich Joshua off that’s also because

The other I mean no one could have legislated for I think that’s because of the activity I think it’s because of the activity but I also think that the you know Fighters get often bigger and better with other people’s Deeds alongside them so what we’ve been able

To see is hang on a second what the happened to deont Wilder and and by the way Tyson Fury lost to Francis Inu so all of a sudden it’s not so much what Joshua’s done it’s what others haven’t that’s the beauty of theic you’ve got you’ve got now a question

Mark hanging over Tyson Fury was it just a bad perform do you see do you do you see do you see Fury versus Joshua in this you think Fury beats usk right right so I go Fury beats usyk right so now do you think I mean know there’s a rematch

Claws in there depends what happens in the fight because if if if Fury ragdolls usyk right I don’t see us another the rematch right but but what I’m saying is even if there is a rematch that rematch could possibly go May June time so we could still like the rematch so you go

February 17th you could see them rematch realistically yeah four months later in May June time then we could see the Joshua Fury if they both come through their their fights at the end of the year so it is it is now reality I think that we could see it be the fight if

They if if everyone does their job then there’s there can’t be any reason can they because there can’t be any more excuses if everybody does their job Fury does his job that he tells us he’s more than capable of doing and he’s going to deal with this was he middleweight

Cruiserweight whatever he decides right and he’s going to deal with him Anthony I expect to come past in ganu I expect him to win a world title and I hope he does yeah um against Philip hovic because then it then it then then then these two boys can’t avoid one another

Cuz they can’t avoid one another because the economics are there from the Saudis they can’t avoid one another because they’re both the belt holders and then you’ll have a unification a second unification fight in a year yeah but this time for the first time in history between two British Fighters absolutely that’s what

Will happen and it’s a huge fight there’s no danger of the WBO or the WBA belts being Stripped Away and fury only having the WBC well no there is danger of that yeah the WBA now that the they might have so WBA number one and number two respectively is Anthony Joshua is is

No sorry Martin B’s number one anony Joshua’s number two so the WBA May theand then that then two fight for that vacant title so what I’m saying is Fury will keep his WBC Title Joshua will pick up the ibf titles we know them two belts

On the line WBO WBA and ibf I’m not I’m not sure I might be ambitious in suggesting that we might be able still unified in as in WBC and ibf he’s a he’s a great fight between British inde is now moving on to the rewards for Joseph

Parker which seem to be few far between to coin your expression is he the chairman of who wants him club or who needs who needs him Club right now um can we really with any due credibility justify or see any benefit or any reward for Joseph Parker to watch

The potential of zilly Zang versus deont Wilder to me deont Wilder is done yeah absolutely I think I you already go on your last fight and all you leaves change but he looks done I’m with with you on it so how can he possibly be a get him back in the ring

Again and B Joseph Parker not being given an opportunity he’ll cry about not giving the opportunity against Anthony Joshua he had that for five years ago and I know this is a different time right but I cannot make a case for Deontay Wilder fighting Jil Jang can you

Yeah no I there’s no appetite there for me at all going on looking at Deontay Wild you just look at him like you say it’s not a bad night it’s not just an off night that was a fighter you look at a Shel his form and he’s a shot fighter

You recognize that and you look at his age and his record and the fights that he’s been in you go the fight has left him so there is no appetite for me there with that fight I would like jel Jang in with Joseph Parker that’s the fight I’d

Like to see I go there’s an interest in that you know Parker’s got some momentum zel zang’s got some momentum the winner goes on and he well they’ve got they’ve got something in common they both would Wilder in there off that performance just because of the name and the people

Saying well he had a bad night come on look at the guy I mean you look at Parker and I know there’s he was also ruminating himself you know I remember I know what Joseph Parker was getting for the Joe Joyce fight because I helped the negotiation Franken with with Ben right

And now he’s on a different level now he’s on a different trajectory because after that fight and a couple other fights recently prior to that he was kind of on a direction of going nowhere yeah he was a former WBO heavyweight champion of the world that kind of won

His title after the defeat you go where does he go my point is there so now he’s now he’s reemerged out of the pack and a lot of that will be given to Andy Le’s credit and being in the environment that he’s in does he beat Zen given him what

We’ve seen to Zen because we saw Jen against Philip herovic we thought that he was strong but slow we put him in against Joe Joyce everyone picked Joe Joyce to win the first fight he didn’t he got and then he even got even more demolished in the second fight so he was

Cryptonite to Joe Joyce yeah is he Kryptonite to Joseph Parker I think that Joseph Parker has to tactically get it right he can’t stand there and trade him like he did with Deontay wer you can’t meet fire with fire with zel Zang because he’s got very slow feet but he’s

Got quick hands you know he fights at southp style and he’s very heavy-handed so Parker would have to just look to chip away can he do that I think so we got to remember Joseph Park is only 31 years of age he quite insane thinking about that he’s actually coming into his

Prime but we when you and I talked about it and lots of other people sort of wrote it off as a one it was it was a one-dimensional situ ation which was Joseph Parker was going to get hit by deont Wilder and get knocked out he

Could stay out of range for 11 rounds but the moment Deontay Wilder wound up one his punch he was going to go now deont Wilder sort of copy ruined that copy book because he decided not to throw any punches right so still so that means that Joseph Parker F fought a

Great fight but he didn’t have to deal with what we thought he was going to have to deal with but psychologically he thought he was going to have to that was the point so whilst we are applauding Joseph Parker and it may well be that Joseph par did to Deontay Wilder what um

As Joshua did to Otter Walling which is not let him engage I don’t think that’s true I think jonty Wilder wasn’t in the same space as he been before because he didn’t let his hands go at all at any time during the fight um now with that in mind Joseph Parker fighting against

Against zul Zang he fought Joe Joyce with a certain style yeah which was for whatever reason he felt that he could get involved in a slugfest with Joe Jo but there there was reasons behind that that I’d spoke to Joseph Parker about and he said well no yeah but I spoke to

Him about that and he said look I’m not going to I’m not that guy I’m not going to come out and say come out with the excuses like Fighters do afterwards I’ve got my own reasons going in there I knew what was Happ do you think he Bo do you

Think he box does he do you think he approaches the Zang fight the same way as he fights approach the Wilder fight no you don’t no I don’t think he I don’t think he goes there and meets I think he he didn’t I think no but no with Wy he s

In the end he did because heiz yeah he went out there and had to look at him to start with and then took the fight away from him when he recognized that he could do that but the overall the overall strategy was that he doesn’t get himself into a situation where Wilder

Could land right so he was clever and he kept it away that’s what he would do with Zang but the difference between Zang and Wilder this is my labored Point yeah is that Jiang is going to throw back and Wilder didn’t yeah but Jiang will also Tire in the second half of the

Fight like waler maybe and that’s what that’s what they’ll be doing that’s what they’ll be doing like he against hergovich and that’s why herovic come back into that fight even though we both fed as J Jang won and most people did but Jiang tied in the last four rounds and I think that

Joseph Parker Andy Lee you know he’s a great student of the sport and he will come up with a game plan and they’ll look to Tire him out and take him into that second half but if he doesn’t get if he doesn’t get Shang which was the Genesis of this conversation which is

Wilder for reasons best known to that the speculation or even if it’s legitimate the outcome seems to be in there where does Joseph Parker go can you see him fighting Joe Joyce again can you see Joe Joyce want to fight him again well I’ve see I I’ve seen that Joe

Joyce is now coming back and he is ready to fight we’re going to see him out there in Saudi because of Frank’s connections you know we’ve got Daniel DUIs there Daniel DUIs is out there and he’s looking for a fight Don Charles him with man more Char

Yeah with Don Charles said that they are going in March they’re looking he been given his ridiculous title has he regular regular and and and usyk’s got the WBA super yeah but that WBA Emanuel Charles had the WBA regular title for about I don’t know how many years and

Not boxed it’s like it’s ridiculous so yeah obviously Daniel was a go Daniel used to be the WBA regular Champion I don’t know yeah how that come about anyway but anyway long story short story short yeah exact yeah something yeah yeah Trevor Bryan there you go so um

Yeah I think long story short we’re going to see all these heavyweights we’re getting all these heavyweights on the cards and I think they’re just going to all be boxing each other where they all land I’m not sure but I know that they’re all going to be boxing on that

Card well we’ll wait and see to see what happens I do think with all due respect to Joseph Parker who I’ve been underwhelmed with in the past that you cannot be anything other than sorry you cannot be anything other than impressed absolutely with what he did and he

Deserves a better opportunity 31 years of age given some of the battles he’s been in given some of the fights he’s taken I think he deserves another opportunity versus Daniel de I like that fight yeah I do I like that fight that’s a good fight you know and I think that

You know that’s that’s a possibility that’s a fight that could be made I don’t think I don’t think Don Charles would advocate for that though I think he’d want to go in I suppose done and they just said listen we’re at that position right now with Daniel where

They just want opportunity and I said if that opportunity right on yeah you got a match make Daniel don’t you you got to get him to the right oh yeah but what you know Joy the heavyweight scene right now with the heavyweight titles with the Tyson Fury Alexander who anthy Joshua

Situation and whatnot they’re all pretty much tied up so all these guys are going to have to fight each other and I think that’s what we will get a great fight coming out this weekend a fight that I’ve been looking forward to um um ARA BV or betev depends upon how

You pronounce and and one of the Smith BLS colum yeah I I think this is a great fight I think that P is one of the well better be whichever you want to cize it is a great fighter we saw that with Anthony yard yeah oh that was a great

Fight at the beginning of last year um Anthony threw everything Atman bit a kitchen sink and came up against somebody it was an irresistible force in asy yard against an immovable object and the moment it got tough in there P have took his heart away a little bit by

Rising to the challenge and what great Champions do and you know this better than I is they they they come back they come back stronger and they ask questions of you when you’re asking questions of them yeah and that’s what he did what do you think about Callum in

This right my concern with Callum is the inactivity that he’s had although Bia now you know he hasn’t boxed for over a year now that fight was over a year ago with Anthony y so my concern is the inactivity but here we go I’m going to

Throw it out there I think Callum Smith wins I think he can win why and I’ll tell you why he wins so I’ve been looking through looking through b SES the shot that he’s susceptible to is the left hook he gets hit with left hooks all the

Time Callum Johnson flawed him with a left hook fifth round Anthony yard tagged him with a left hook seventh round Anthony yard Ted him with a left hook Callum Smith’s best shot his timing with a left hook is absolutely perfect you look through his showreel he’s knockout showreel the left is a shot

That he lands is this a mandatory and is this a mandatory for BB I’m not sure it’s mandatory not sure not must it must be must yeah it must be yeah I think it is but because the reason why I bring that up is because obviously it’s been

Around this fight has been kicking around for some time yeah that’s right we know it has obviously you’ve got perb of potentially looking or being we’re being led to believe has now signed potentially or given an indication that there’s an agreement in principle to do

A deal with bivel yeah to you know unify yeah um the light heavyweight division yeah and to put the two best fighters in class in that fight any danger I don’t think so I watched prepare for that fight I watched BBF go into that ring because he came to London to fight yeah

Anony yards the arena was against him yeah and you watched an elite fighter at work and I think Elite Fighters don’t make mistakes but get past Fighters I get it but Callum Smith is an elite fighter that’s the difference yeah but he’s an elite fighter as well when I say

That what I’m saying is you look at Callum Smith and you look at stylistically he’s very tall he’s range he keeps that range well he controls the SP really well but he’s also great on the inside and what bobia does and his big mistakes is that he’s sort of like

Got that Eastern European style where he carries his hands out when he throws his shot sometimes he reaches with his shots Callum Smith is unbelievable his timing with that left hook is unbelievable and if if turbov does that K will tag it will tag him with that and he he’s great

At you know he’s great at jumping on his opponent and getting the job done when that happens and if you look for that I was looking at his show real today Callum Smith and most of his outs come with left H you look at the George Grove

One that that that’s one as an stally sty stylistically K Smith has the style he can if he can execute it if he yeah but I think he can execute it I think he’s going to put he’s not going in against chop liver is he he’s going

Against the real D I think yeah it’s a real deal listen he’s he does he does does whack harder than anony yard does what sorry does Callum whack harder than anony yard he is as hard really yeah it’s as hard yeah definitely he’s a very heavy-handed I mean I I mean you’ve got

To give him real shot so I do give him a shot I get he’s an under but I just think that he’s going to pull off a shot I absolutely do give him a shot and and and I’m a huge admire of the Smith you

Know I’m the big ADM Liam all of them you know and they’ve all had their um I mean I always felt did you I felt dreadfully sorry for Paul Smith years ago when he fought Arthur Abraham and I that was a terrible robbery yeah out in Germany that was when you could that’s

When you had to get the knockout to get a draw in Germany that was what it was like it was like we second was not not relevant but the first fight I thought he was absolutely um look we got one other thing to talk about which is there

Was a lot of noise being made about the fight between Devon Haley and Ryan Garcia and that one seems to have disappeared Into The Ether a lot being made about I think about Garcia’s you know box off his bank ability in terms of he’s got millions of followers he

Delivers High pay-per-view numbers even though I think he’s swallowed it against T Davis yeah um he’s still in the eyes of many you know the poster boy and the and the the uh the exciting fighter in his in his in his in his space my understanding is they couldn’t

Make the economics work Deon Haley despite the Brilliance of his performance recently didn’t doesn’t make big pay for which I think is wrong because I think he’s a brilliant fight my my understanding with this and and looking at it you go because that fight does that would still be a huge fight

With Garcia versus Haney is a huge fight and I recognize what they’re doing they’re going for the WBO regular title which is held by Romeo Romeo holds a WBO regular title he was was done in six rounds by um gavonte Davis but and he’s got that WWA regular title and I think

That that’s the route they want to take they want to go for that that world title and try and get that title to bring a little bit of weight to the table maybe that’s that’s my understanding a bit because I think that’s the easier option they’re looking

At the fight and they’re going Devon Haney really Haney just like he he looked incredible in his last performance and my personal opinion is I think that Ryan Garcia’s looked at that and gone I feel move away from that from a business point of view there go down

For Romeo who’s you know who’s the easier fight for us and I think that that’s why they’ve gone down that that route kin had is a tough fight Mi emotions about Ryan Garcia I don’t know I mean that’s why I think they’ve gone down this Ro I because I I you know with

All the hype that went with him you’re not completely sold well I don’t think you can be after Davis I agree I don’t think you can be I know I know Davis is an elite level fighter and at the top of his profession and really you know

Pound-for-pound one of the best in the world but but you you looked at that body shot and when did you really I know I get influenced by Carl and Fry sometimes going on about what you have to do to get off and do this and do that and the other how

To that um we got to recognize him with Cole that he’s like caveman he’s he’s in his old little world don’t worry in 3,000 people yeah where was that yeah yeah yeah can’t remember was it Wembley or somewhere F joh fighting yeah um one other thing comes to mind and it’s and

It’s something I wanted to talk about last week but this there’s a there is a likelihood of being a Taylor and um Shantel Cameron third fight which I think is very much merited don’t you oh absolutely there’s a huge appetite for that I mean you look at those first two

Fights and you know they they they they both could have gone Eye Of Way really I think that the right person won the first right in Shanel Cameron and the right person won the second fight in K Taylor but they were both nip and Tuck would there be an appetite for a third

One absolutely if he was ever going to get a Trilogy that’s a fight you’d love to see okay right that’s it for this week’s episode of talk boxing episode 55 don’t forget we told you at the beginning of the show vote for us please vote us please the sports podcast of the

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