“Jon Rahm Is A Bridge To Bring LIV Golf & PGA Together” – Phil Mickelson On The Pat McAfee Show

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Now Tiger Woods uh filmed a video with foreplay pod uh I believe today it released and if you think I just I don’t know I’m excited to see what’s in there I think I saw him helping Trent with his golf swing I think I saw Frankie posing

A little bit so he probably hit a dime in front of tiger good for him the boys are over there rigs is really built that’s a f that’s a fantastic group good for them uh but if you think about the history of golf there’s like two names

One of them is tiger I mean you’re gonna think of Jack I get it but I’m saying an arm and the other is this Lefty who likes to hit bombs he’s got his own coffee massive caves massive ham massive he’s got thighs for caves seems to be always cool

Where’s the best sunglasses yeah and he’s been part of a conversation about changing golf forever for the better a massive piece of it is he doing that I guess it’s who you asked but joining us now ladies and gentlemen from live three-time Master’s Champion Phil mikkelson yeah

PH guys thank you thanks for having me on hey thank you for joining us Phil how’s life pal how’s everything going over there things are great and I really enjoy your show I enjoy what you’re doing and how you are kind of changing the game and bringing a different level

Of energy and a different uh way of presenting things and it’s been fun and interesting to watch and I think that there’s a lot of uh synergies and parallels to what’s been going on in the in the world of golf as well and uh similar to what you’ve been going

Through well they’re going to clip that and obviously cook me for it because of everything but I want to let you know Phil I appreciate you Phil because we appreciate the hell out of you we love you Phil and uh let’s go into it now because there’s a situation kind of

Brewing here with Rory mooy which if we go back a couple years you going to his defense and him basically talking good about you guys would not be the case we all knew that he was one of the faces of the DGA was very anti the potential

Changes that are coming and now Rory’s statements are like wow I’m kind of seeing the picture of everything Rory came out and basically said that what Liv has done is expose flaws that have happened in Gulf which I think all of us were saying that we’re excited about the

Changes that were taking place at the very beginning you were certainly saying that at the very beginning and now he’s kind of come around and then people started attacking him and assuming that you wanted to attack him for saying this because it’s like haha Phil was right

You were wrong you came out we like whoa hey listen this has probably taken a lot of effort to get to this point for Rory maroy we should celebrate this and move forward now with that being said are you proud of the fact that here we are a

Couple years later live isn’t completely gone seems to be growing and making the game better this kind of the vision of it all and how do you see it over the last few years Phil so with with um change there’s going to be disruption and we’re we’re

We’re through most of the disruption but you know when you look at big picture and most people aren’t going to care but this is my life’s work like I love golf I’ve been you know playing my whole life and and cared and dreamt about as a kid

Playing professional golf and so this is uh my passion what I love the most and so I care about where the the game is going and so forth and it’s been concerning the last many years of the uh age of our viewer increasing steadily

From 55 to 60 to now 65 out on tour and the PJ tour when I was there was trying to do everything we could to attract and appeal to a younger crowd and we haven’t been able to do that and so now we’re finding a way to do that

And Liv is starting to uh bring in a younger Audience by presenting the game of golf in a different way and so there are other aspects of uh about golf that are difficult that we’re trying to solve give you a couple of examples one the golf fan is the most

Loyal fan in all of sports and here’s why when you buy a ticket to an NFL game or a a basketball game baseball game you you buy a seat you you sit down on your seat you get to see 100% of the action but in golf you buy a ticket you walk

For miles and you see a fraction of the game and so when you wanted to come out and watch um tiger play and you wanted to watch myself play we were always on opposite end of the spectrum so you’ve got to get there at 8 in the morning and

Watch early and then you’ve got to be there till 6:00 in the afternoon if you want to to watch myself play we’re trying to change that and present in a different way so that with the shotgun start you can come out and you watch all

The top players play in a short four and a half hour time period that’s that’s one little thing uh the other thing is when you are a player in the NFL or baseball or so forth you’re an employee of that team and that team controls your

Schedule and when we we go play as a fan you know who you’re going to watch uh to play and so in golf you see every week people are committing to the tournament so that fans have an idea of who might be there rather than know knowing who’s

Going to be there and so that model is starting to change and if you’re a sponsor and you’re investing into the game of golf or into an event you want to know who’s going to be there that’s the attraction that’s the the product that you’re trying to uh to bring and so

You want to know what it is you’re buying and all of these things live is trying to change and this allows us to bring golf which is already a global sport to different parts of the world just like NFL is trying to bring football to London and other parts and

By controlling their schedule they’re able to do that because you you have the Jacksonville Jaguars play the Buffalo Bills in London and you know who’s going to play and golf we haven’t had that ability to do that which is why our attempt to bring world golf championships throughout the world have

Been uh unsuccessful globally but okay in the US and so if I’m a fan I want to see the best players play against each other and as a top player throughout my career I want to play against the best players more often and our schedules would never match up outside of the

Major they they were uh I would play what was good for me and it was never really directed now live is creating 14 events where you know who’s going to play and who’s going to be there and uh the tour is start starting to do that as

Well now with elevated events which is great like if you’re a fan of the PJ tour you know that these top guys from the tour are going to play there and I think in the big picture when all of this disruption and change irons out and settles through we’re going to have a

Product that’s going to be better for the fans because you’ll know who’s going to be there and you’ll have a product that’s easier to to buy if you’re a sponsor because you know who’s going to be there and we’ll be able to move this product throughout the world and

Capitalize uh on markets that we’ve never been able to touch before and hopefully grow the the market for all of golf whether you’re manufacturer clothing or or a investor or a sponsor who wants to use golf to bring clients together uh in different countries you’ll be able to do that because you’ll

Have the best players playing there with on that note I think that’s what I liked about you guys being on YouTube at the beginning CU obviously we have benefited from YouTube being a global I mean our audience literally Australia Japan here like YouTube has that reach and then when you move to CW

I think at the begin now CW has a lot more Sports CW is investing in sports you guys were one of the first ones I think for a lot of people it was kind of hard to find at first are you guys worried about the potential is it a if

You build it they will come or are you guys keeping an eye on ratings and attendance and everything at this stage or you guys super patient with that entire thing so it was a great start for us just to have a network to get on and

CW has invested a lot in in our product and live sports and so we were kind of the start and as a startup which is what live is you have to start somewhere and so it was a good starting point in the end we also had a lot of challenges that

We had to overcome with uh pressure from outside sources from other networks to to not get involved with us us but as we start working together as a whole we start putting the entity of professional golf at the Forefront then we’re able to uh create more Partnerships rather than

Combative relationships and I think that’s kind of where we’re headed which is ultimately where I’m going with this is a better TV uh product for live and more uh corporate involvement from Liv going forward Darius has a question for you Phil yeah Phil I was lucky enough to

Get a chance to watch you and uh DJ actually down in uh Dural um this past uh in this pass off season uh what was your favorite venue that you played at last year so Dural was spectacular and I I think it’s uh you know an exceptional

Golf course and we’re going to be starting the year at myoba in Mexico the first week of February which is the week off of the NFL so hopefully you guys will check it out I love that myoba course and then uh we have an old historical site that we’re going to be

Playing in Las Vegas country club the following week the week of the Super Bowl in Las Vegas it’s of course I played 30 years ago when I first came out on tour uh in the Las Vegas classic so we get I get to return there in a

Live debut if you will and by bringing golf the week of the Super Bowl to the Super Bowl site and having it finished the day before the Super Bowl we’re hopeful to introduce the game and get some excitement for the game from people that we might not be able to cross over

And attract without uh without the use of football in this case do they test for marijuana over there at Liv uh they do drug testing yeah uh I don’t know if that’s one of the drugs they they test for but they uh they do drug testing on

Us if I get good why why do you ask that well I smoke copious amounts of marijuana whenever I’m in uh when I’m in legal states obv obviously we never do that in Indiana where we call home but anytime we get to travel for anything obviously I do and I play Bingo for

Super Bowl obviously but I will probably continue to do that for uh a majority of my life I don’t think it’s right for everybody but for me it has certainly made my brain life happiness everything better but I’m working at golf Phil Phil I’m up there listen Phil I’m up in this

Golf simulator I’m I’m on the back we got we got a simulator up there right behind where watt Wednesday says right there that’s golf simulator I’m up there working I’m on this two courses we have two holes out here in the back I’m trying to get good at golf I just didn’t

Know if you know if I get good enough cuz you can golf through your set right you can golf to your 70 you be great at golf till your 70 I didn’t know if Liv was going to be a potential opportunity now speaking of Liv being a potential opportunity at the beginning

All anybody said was they just want to take down a PGA they have enough money just to take down a PGA they don’t want to be a sustainable business like and while you were giving off your answer about being able to travel this right you talked about clothing manufacturers

And Brands and everything like that running it as a business which is what you would assume everybody is going to attempt to do especially if they investing money with the ROM addition and we assume there’s going to be more like there’s been a lot of money

Invested in this is there a thought that this will inevitably become like profitable and sustainable or is it just like we actually have a NeverEnding supply of money like that is an actual that’s an actual weapon that you guys certainly have in this entire thing is there a thought about that will that

Disrupt things is the future very strong uh even if it doesn’t become profitable until maybe 10 decade or so uh that’s that’s uh that’s let me explain a little bit more of the business model because please when we when we have the ability to control the product meaning uh live knows what they

Are selling and you know what you’re buying as a sponsor we are now integrating golf on a global scale and we’re going to different countries and utilizing tourism budgets to get us there so the reason we’re going to Hong Kong is they are paying an exorbitant amount of money to bring professional

Golf at the highest level there and they’re using the tourism budget to do that we were not supposed to go back to Singapore this year and then the tourism board at Singapore gets involved and I’m talking tens of millions not just a million or two so when we started out at

Liv yeah we had to pay for sites because it was controversial and there were threats against us not to be involved with us and so forth but now these countries are using tourism dollars to get us to go there because of the impact we’re having on their on their economy and so

Uh it’s co it’s as much to cover the entire purse so to not see this opportunity is uh shortsighted we we this is an area of of uh monetary opportunity that we’ve never had in golf because we’ve never controlled the product and be able to sell something tangible there’s too much uncertainty so

Will it be profitable I think it’s going be profitable a lot sooner than than you think especially as we start working together all professional golf uh and we stop having these uh kind of threats and trying to suppress our product and our TV opportunities and our sponsors when

We start working together as we are starting to and I think John ROM signing is really being used as a bridge to bring these sides together realizing that live isn’t going away that this is going to be a staple and that if we compete we’re going to be competing

Against uh each other for television uh dollars and sponsorship dollars and so forth rather than working together and to to do create the best product for the fan and as well as sponsors and the best opportunities for the players so we’re starting to work together John ROM’s

Been a huge impetus in this and this is going to open up markets just like I mentioned tourism dollars not to mention uh Global uh companies that are outside the US on a on a that are very large that want to get involved and use golf as a way to Bringing clients together

And and promote their brand so there there’s incredible opportunities it will be profitable very very quickly and building equity in a brand uh and bringing a team aspect although it’s difficult to see right now because golf has been an individual sport for hundreds of years or not hundreds but

You know many many years at least 100 plus thousands it’s hard to see this transition and this change and and and the benefits of this but in the big picture again what I also see is like a team let’s say is an opportunity to help young players that don’t have access to

The same type of support system that’s necessary to be successful and by that I mean this there’s a lot of great young players that don’t have access to the proper physical training or the proper instruction or the proper facilities needed to be their best and as a team

Owner let’s say with High Flyers years down the road five 10 years I’ll have a high Flyers Golf Course facility that I’ll have world class Fitness training world class Physical Therapy world class instruction and I will be able to bring in many young players and give them

Access to this training and what will I benefit from it is a as as an owner of the team I’ll have first Rider refusal so when they go out and they become a great player and they want to they’re winning Majors winning tournaments I’ll have the first R refusal to sign him to

My team but I’ll be able to bring dozens of young players in and Academy this is the European Academy model you know bring bring them in provide everything for them to become the best that they possibly can in the sport that’s huge I had not heard that about the the Liv

Golf is that is that far away from now it’s all part of the picture it’s all part of the plan like I say it’s a it’s evolving and so we want to create opportunities for for young players to get involved in this and as we start building this team aspect each team will

Be able to provide those opportunities and benefit from them hopefully long term by again having the the first Rider refusal to maintain these players that’s really good idea I had not heard that and you’re not a lawyer and obviously we’re not expecting you to know everything that’s happening but

You’re one of the founders seemingly of live in the way you’ve just described the business side of it feels like you have a great handle of everything happening over there I was told Liv and PGA were together right remember old buddy was old buddy that went on a

Vacation for two weeks immediately Jay Monahan Jay Monahan he uh remember he was meeting in h restaurants in Italy I think or Milan or something and then out of nowhere boom and then it was like blindsided almost everybody and then as it continued to go on it’s not what is

Is that still ongoing what’s happening there because you said ROM is a great bridge to bring both sides together we’re hearing Rory speak positively it feels like there’ll be a lot more agreeance from the members of the PGA to kind of combine forces now more so than

A year back or whatever is that still ongoing what what do we not understand about that process there so I don’t have a lot of answers for you on where they are in the merger I’m not involved in those uh discussions per se I just know the vision of what

Yaser has for the game of golf and is working hard to bring that Vision together and to bring professional golf and present it differently uh to the public to help grow the game and to help grow it on a global scale and grow the interest to younger players and try to

Attract the demographic that we have not been able to attract so far but with John ROM signing on what it’s done is create a bridge and an opportunity for us to come together because the realization is live isn’t going away like that’s what the talk is like it’s

Ridiculous and so uh now people are really realizing okay it’s not going away and we want to work together and if we’re the majors and we want to have the best field and and keep on the tradition of these great events we’re going to have to have the best players in the

World and we’re going to have to create a qualifying system for these players to get there and if you’re the PJ tour and you realize that your your most important asset is the quality of field and the players and you are going to keep losing players if you don’t work

Together this is a bridge that now is opening the those conversations to start working together together and I thought I thought that that it was a very big move on Rory’s part to say a couple of things that he said one was that we don’t want to go forward in the Ridder

Cup without John ROM like that’s a big step it’s a a total turn from these guys made their bed and and lie with it it’s a coming together like he open the door for us to start working together I feel as well as uh the recent comments about

How there’s a place uh in golf for live and uh for team events and so forth and the way look there’s always going to be a for traditional Golf and there’s always a desire for it like these tournaments have been around for a long long time have great history a great

Reverence but that’s also led to an increasing age demographic in our fan base and we’ve got to be able to to also attract the younger players and there’s a place for live as well and there’s a place for a fun edgier louder uh presentation in in golf and that’s what

We’re trying to do and they both should be working together for the greater good and I think that uh that’s where we’re headed and John ROM’s signing is that bridge because it’s the realization that we need to work together going forward for the long-term success of the game we

Love rbo bombo absolutely love him I assume everybody on both tours does as well Connor has a question about that yeah Phil because ROM has joined do you feel as though or actually have you actually kind of got more people reaching out to you like okay now that

ROM’s there it’s maybe this is something I consider like our golfers now because of ROM probably going to cross that bridge if they were thinking about it in the past and then also do is JN John’s getting his own team is he going to have the whole facility like yourself and is

That something that was talked about with John and do you know what maybe his team would be is there any sneak peek we can have perhaps so I don’t want to speak for John on his behalf but I know that all teams big picture are trying to have

That type of model where we have these facilities that can support our own teams the best way and provide opportunities for great young players who need that type of support system in a financial model that sustains it rather than just taking donations and creating a Institute of sport that uh

Continues to drain funds each year there’ll be a model here where these golf courses will sell memberships and those members will have access to those facilities as well and it will be a profitable Venture that we can sustain and continue to bring more young players

In as far as uh John’s team I know that they are talking to a couple of players and but I don’t want I mean that’s their that that’s thing I’d rather let them discuss that I know that I’ve had a lot of calls from players that realize that

What they have been being told now for the last year and a half isn’t really accurate and it has opened their eyes to this is another option that if I’m available or or presented with the opportunity to play it’s not gonna it’s not going away I’m not going to be

Undermining my career I’m going to be creating a a a different opportunity so there aren’t a lot of spots and so Liv is being very selective on on who they bring in because they want to create value for for the product and continue to strengthen it so some of the players

That have called me they there hasn’t been an opportunity for them to come but um that will continue to change over time as we end up adding a few teams creating a few more players and uh becoming a stronger product we think about some of the guys that were

Allegedly offered a couple hundred million and then they turned down or whatever and then now you know there’s not enough spots left it’s a wild wild for all of them tone has a question for you yeah Phil 2025 when the rider comes Ryder Cup comes back to America at Beth

Page if you are not playing do you have any interest in being the Ryder Cup captain at that time or could you just be you know be a player coach as well I’ve had 12 13 opportunities to be a part of the rer cup uh 12 as a player

One as a Vice Captain and I’ve loved every minute of it and cherished those moments and those life experiences I don’t feel I’m the right guy to be involved with the team because I’m a very divisive uh character right now if you will and uh I understand that that

The players on the PJ tour there’s a lot of hostilities towards me and I don’t feel I’d be the best leader for them uh going forward I think that as a rer c Cup captain you have to be kind of a unifier and have these relationships uh

Solidified and somebody that um you know you you want to follow and right now uh I’ve been very divisive and I and I’m okay with that I knew that was going to be the case I knew the next couple of year that it was going to take a couple

Of years and that I was going to take a lot of hits and and a lot of divisiveness but I believe that it is in the best interest of the game of golf to present it a different way to a younger crowd and to try to stop a problem that

Is coming up quickly which is the age demographic of our fans I also believe that it’s going to be a better thing for the professional itself to um to some of the the the things behind the scenes I don’t need to get into the details of of

The pay structure and the the the rights of the players and so forth I think those are going to be solved and going forward and this is a product that brings a different element with team and so forth that I I really believe in and

So I knew I was going to take some hits going forward I’m okay with that and as a divisive individual I don’t think I’m the best unifier going forward uh for the Ryder Cup and that’s that’s fine because I’ve had so many great memories with it it’s it’s time for other people

To to be able to create their own memories opportunities and life experiences that the ryer cup provides yeah I think the ryer cup obviously for the fans is huge which leads to this from Tai yeah Phil just curious um like when you look you’ve obviously got your

Feet wet now with a bunch of these these Live Events uh when you look at it and like you talk to the other players out there you mentioned the shotgun start earlier and then also like the the 54 whole format the team format all that kind of stuff is everyone pretty happy

With how things are going or like are there any other maybe changes that you guys would like to pull from like uh a PGA tournament format to to to kind of just continue to evolve what live is like where does everyone kind of stand on the actual tournaments themselves right

Now have you seen a single live player not smiling I mean we are smiling all the time uh the energy output each week is so much different and all of the things that have been frustrating in a player experience has been uh improved exponentially on live but it’s in In

Fairness we only have 48 players relative to 156 and it’s much harder to accommodate three times as many players who have three time you know triple the families triple the the coaches triple the the fitness uh instruction the physical therapy all these so it’s much easier to accommodate and Target and

Make the experience for these 48 players who are are playing uh much better so In fairness like it’s been a lot easier to fix those things and that’s why we’re all enjoying it and why we’re smiling so much is that all of the the details that have been frustrating from a player

Standpoint which nobody cares about but and shouldn’t but the things that we’ve been going through uh they have been able to be fixed you know the what tournaments are we playing when are we playing what is our schedule when’s our flight is it Friday night is it Sunday

Night where am I heading from there uh all of these details that have led to challenges for scheduling in family functions and birthday parties and all the little things that are are human yeah being a human yes it just has made uh the experience for the player uh incredibly better but that’s not

Something that’s going to translate let’s say to The Fan Experience or or the things that matter when we are professional golfers trying to present a product and are in the entertainment industry but from a player’s perspective behind the scenes uh it’s it’s incredible couple brainstorming things here you know and I appreciate you

Talking about being a human because I think that’s what that full swing thing yeah displayed the most about how you guys the PGA Tour and it was amaz it was amazing to me to find out that they’re independent contractors not guaranteed a single thing but you have to play for

Our tour but we’re not going to guarantee you anything but you got to guarantee us that I think we learned about that through the living like guys losing money each week for traveling if they didn’t make the cut they had a couple bad days but they were being

Shown for 12 hours a day while they were golfing it was like the just the I don’t want to say immorality but seemingly bad business that was kind of taking place and then when we watch that full swing and these guys are you got a proam on

Wednesday you got to practice on Tuesday but you got to be in that City for the pram then Thursday Friday hope you make the cut Saturday hope you get Sunday well then you got Monday off good for you then you got practice somewhere then you got proam in the next city it’s like

It was a NeverEnding that was wild to kind of watch behind the scenes and learn about so thanks for committing your whole life for us to watch but throughout however much time you did now committing your life to golf going forward just a couple brainstorming things here though as a spectator of

Golf love watching golf mhm we talked about earlier about some of my half fing operations your guys’ sport is perfect perfect for that I mean it is you know take a nap wake up still stuff going on oh there’s a little bit energy don’t you think Sunday has to remain like Sunday

The F and then also Following the Leader in shotgun start I think is brilliant by the way for first three days of the tournament or first two days of the tournament or whatever so everybody could see it but on that final day don’t we have to make the final day a little

Bit you know what I mean don’t you have to elevate that just a little bit and isn’t Sunday that final day I think as a spectator that’s one thing that I’m kind uh caught off guard and then also and it’s going to have to be just changing

Watch style I saw a massive putt I saw a massive putt I don’t know how much money was on the line but I heard T pay WOW wowow right off right off the green which is like awesome to think about that being it but is there any changes I

I mean Tai just kind of alluded to that but like the Sunday viewer experience as a golf Avid golf Watcher who found CW to watch you guys it’s like that is kind of in brain ingrained in our heads and and then like watching the leader all day is

Like a part of the story almost have you thought about that has there been conversations about that is that possibly something in the future for live absolutely hell yeah like this is the feedback that we want like right now we have been starting two groups off of

Whole number one so you have the leaders that that tee off one group behind the shotgun start but you’re right like that’s the great thing about this product like it’s new and it is uh SCH we can change it and we want to make it the best product and we’re going to and

We want your feedback and we want fans feedback and what the experience is like uh so oh philon of the High Flyers has a three-stroke league going into Sunday like us watching you on the driving range beforehand yeah you know what how your coffee is going like that’s a whole

Part of the championship Sunday you know like that is and if you can mentally battle through that all to win it it’s like even more impressive which I think golf already is mental gymnastics we’re excited to see the future we can’t wait to watch hopefully this year out of

Vegas we’ll be out there we’ll come check out see you hit some bombs down in Florida Darius just sending a video you hit uh I think driver off deck yeah in rough around a tree and he was like right in front of it it’s like that’s a spectacle you’re a showcase you’re a

Carnival act with that golf club we appreciate the hell out of you man Pat thanks for having me on the show and uh that particular shot I probably made look a little bit easier than it was that happens with a lot of those shots you hit Phil you know you remember

Uh you remember oh yeah the when you started just hitting the things over your head awesome and then all those little golf videos of all right in this particular matter uh you see the the grass is growing towards you there’s a little bit of De on here you’re on a

Little bit of going to want to punch this one a little bit quicker because the grass and the dness is going to slow it down plus the Sun is going this way you see so the the green grass is going to want to find the Sun so you’re going

To look it’s like as we heard you speak about golf a lot of us just said we got no shot we got no shot at all you’ve done that for all of us but you’ve made us all better we appreciate you Phil thank you thanks Pat thanks for having

Me on where are you right now are you golfing are we golfing right now what are we doing uh I’m in Florida we’re just shooting some promo stuff and with with my team here and then uh we’re going to be flying back to uh California

And my I’ve got my whole team here for the next four or five days where we’ve we’re working with um Dr Farnsworth on uh some aim Point stuff we’re working with TPI on power PL power plate issues on our our golf swing and finding out you know how how they function the best

And we’re going to be doing some blind testing for our our equipment starting the season which uh if if you have no idea what that is that’s kind of an interesting thing on on how to get better as well yeah Dar said in the middle there we got no chance we do but

I think the future of golf having academies oh yeah and like look he’s like hey let me introduce you a little bit of game here we’re going to talk to this doctor about this it’s going to be better in the long run we believe in you ladies and gentlemen Phil [Applause] Nicholson