2023 Week 17 Rankings, Starts, Sits | 2023 Week 17 NFL Injuries | 2023 Fantasy Football Rankings

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If you’ve made it here good luck in your Championship we want to hear from you if you end up being a winner if you lose I don’t want to hear about that I want to hear from winners so I can retweet it make me seem like a genius okay experience experience Experience B experience experience welcome to the pat Mayo experience presented by DraftKings it is the finals of your fantasy football leagues and if they go into week 18 well that’s on you for having a terrible League all right smash like and sub to the channel well you are here

Because we are discussing the week 17 rankings by position if you’re looking for the rankings list they are down in the description and on DK network.com Additionally you can skip to each of the positions where Jake and I will talk about all of those in the time codes

Down in the description and in the Spotify Poll for this episode I’m asking you the question who is the one pickup player that you will insert into your Championship lineups that will win you the championship I’m curious to know what you the people think you can comment down in the YouTube section as

Well but it always helps us more if you can do that in the Spotify episode section so even if you’re not subbed on Spotify this is a good opportunity to sub on Spotify and then answer that question to help us out give us a late Christmas gift all right Jake cely from

The athletic.com you don’t even know that Jerick McKinnon’s on IR pal get better uh how’ you start with that I have so many things I have my Christmas shirt on the day after that I didn’t wear last week I have breaking news Pat my my first major issue with Nicole is my wife

Uh we watched momento over the weekend and she thought it was just weird it is kind of weird it is but that was her D takeaway I was like yeah but it was a really great movie she’s like yeah it’s just kind of weird and I don’t know the

Ending and I’m like that’s the point and so yeah we have our first I don’t know I don’t know if I can continue on now Pat well I watched so land tales with my wife last night and she’s like this movie is horrible I was like I know but

It’s like secretly awesome she like no it’s horrible I like yeah well I can see that it’s just straight up awful no it’s aov yeah jerck McKinnon thing so I say it’s it’s a movie that makes no sense and relies solely on Vibes so if you don’t Vibe with it then you’re

Completely out I’m going on a movie review podcast this week to talk about Southland tal like I need to uh refresh my memory on this because I like this movie so much it is really bad but if you’re looking for an epic that takes a big swing and has a big Miss Southland

Tales is the movie for you I was going to say I was wondering if you’re going to follow up with the it was a big Miss but yes the poll with is there any other answer than the great wonderful first round pick from two years ago than Clyde

Edwards Air speaking of the Jerick McKinnon situation and a go concussed yeah let’s see let’s jump to the injuries that we have going into week 17 to give you a refresher on what happened in case you know you were celebrating Christmas and spending time with your family and didn’t stress over every

Single thing that happened Isaiah Pacho is and I spelled it wrong again I know why I spell Isaiah wrong every single week either way it’s it’s Kryptonite for me is a concussion he exited the game wait didn’t you get it right you got it

Right do I have it right yeah you got it right I feel like I’m missing an H that’s right no it’s it’s he’s missing an A and you have it right he’s missing the first a yeah see when I see it it looks wrong but I suppose it is right so

Anyway he has a concussion as someone who bet the under of his three and a half receptions in that game and he had four for zero yards and got hurt you know screw off Isaiah PCO I have no idea if he’s going to play this week or not I

Would guess not based on some of the things that we’ve seen although it’s funny that you had tweeted out earlier in the week we were discussing the Pitman news that you know it does and the Trevor Lawrence news that it seems like guys are able to come back from

Concussions a little bit more quickly at this time of the season I think Pitman ruined it for himself by the way because he had come out and cleared protocol he was practicing full and then he suffered a setback on the weekend but that was after he had come out with comments

Saying that he was essentially knocked unconscious during the game so he had cleared protocol he made these comments and all of a sudden mysteriously he’s back in protocol and didn’t play yeah you’re the one that brought it up on last week’s show talking about how all these quarterbacks are Derek Carr

They cleared twice or like his injury but then also the concussion everybody’s getting magically fixed at the end of the year yeah I think that’s a really good theory there with the Michael Pitman thing is that he ruined it for himself but yes as of today the other

Reason I’m assuming no pcho is not just because of the concussion it’s because he had the injuries and he just came back so there other injuries plus the concussion I don’t know I mean they have who uh what’s his name I always forget him the actual name of the the running

Back behind him that everybody was super excited for that they picked up earlier this year when Clyde Edwards got hurt and then beo was banged up I can’t think of his name they they elevated they they elevated L Michael perine they L Michel perine yeah wow I wasn’t expecting that

I was expecting the rookie everybody was going bananas for well they not on you say they they haven’t made any they elevated perine once Jerick went on to injured reserve so Jerick is out for the rest of the season he might be able to come back in the playoffs they make it

Deep enough after the four weeks but right now yeah it’s just Clyde or a and py at the moment we’ll see Prince who remember deneric Prince remember deneric Prince not really yeah middle of the Season okay there you go would I have reason to remember that well because he

Plays for the Chiefs and that’s when Edwards Air was actually out and then it was Jerick McKinnon when he first started getting banged up so it was kind of like oh God who’s the next one up behind peo at the time which didn’t matter because peo was a missing time

But yes generic Prince but if that tells you that py was elevated that Prince isn’t I don’t even know we’ll get fact checked right now we’re going to finish the show at somebody’s gonna be like the air Prince has been hurt since week 14 well you look at that stuff I really

Don’t give a so it doesn’t really bother me at all uh so Pacho I do not have in the rankings right now I do not have 16 I just don’t think we’re going to see him for the rest of the year and since Zeke has been great Zach Moss I believe

I have his in because he was pretty close to playing last week if I don’t have him we can add him in I don’t have Brian Robinson in with his hamstring injury he missed the week 16 game against the Jets Josh Jacobs missed week 16 as well although he seemed to be a

Game time decision I’m guessing that he’s going to play this week and then Jerick ended up getting placed on injured reserve so that brings us to the rankings and I mean just kind of pick your poison of who you got left it’s you know CMC he’s number one kyen Williams

Is number two Rashad white just continues to score 19 points a week every week so he’s number three chimra coming off the terrible game but you know it’s an extended week now they’re playing the Bucks Gibbs cook moster beon Jonathan Taylor and Ezekiel Elliott you got a problem with that top

10 not much I mean you do have Zach Moss back I I mean I feel a little bit better about Jonathan Taylor than beon any given week just on the trust Factor he also not that I’m going to complain but you got James Cook coming off a bad game

Too right you can talk about missing some I I bet the over in the receiving yards in that one that was fun with the big fat whopping zero which all of a sudden went out the window so I do think you get a little bit of a bounce back

But it’s New England at home like if I if it was my lineup I could say I trust Taylor more still so outside of that it just comes down to the Jonathan Taylor trust like I would play Jonathan Taylor one spot in front of bejon but I also

Trust him more than James Cook but we’re also talking about the top 10 so who the hell cares because as you always say you’re starting him anyway especially if you’re in the championship game who are you benching James Cook for James Conor no no maybe Kenneth Walker he’s at

Number 11 eten at number 12 that entire offense I kind of feel bad for the Jags offense at this point they have the black knight from Holy Grail at quarterback he just gets a new injury TW yesterday it’s outrageous I twe I tweeted that out the the I’m I’m Invincible where he’s got

Just the one leg and to both arms are gone and somebody of course was just like nobody gets more free passes for excuses than Trevor Lawrence I’m like thanks Guy this is a Wendy’s drive through he does I mean he does get a ton of excuses however it’s kind of his own

Fault because he continues to play through a high ankle spring a concussion a shoulder injury if he just sat out no one would have a problem with it that’s true you’re not wrong about that uh Carolina’s pass defense has been pretty strong but their run defense is abysmal

So yes Travis etn there especially I I don’t even care Beth I still consider Travis ATN top 15 no problem yeah mix in number 13 Aaron Jones even with Dylan back got sniped at the goal line but he looked really good in that game against you know the bottom ranked run defense

In the league in Carolina still it was nice to see him play really well saquan Bree Hall chuba hubard Derrick Henry Josh Jacobs and David Montgomery are the top 20 after that we got Tony par DeAndre Swift Javonte Williams Ty Chandler uh Devon achain until he gets

Like a full workload it’s really tough to trust him too much although his upside is kind of in the range of some of these other guys I have Clyde Edwards AER at number 26 don’t super trust C yet Austin Eckler James Conor Devon single ter Naji Gus Jerome Ford khil Herbert

Jaylen Warren then we’re into like Antonio Gibson Taj Spears if you’re in the championship game you’re probably not relying on these guys so in general running back seems to be the easiest position to fill every single week especially for lineups this far along in the fantasy season you you ride your

Healthy guys that got you there and it it’s the only one that you would have a chance to really plug in and play would be C but how much do you trust him I was going to say so the other one that you might plug in and play would be

CLE Herbert if deont Foreman’s not back but even with Herbert in that scenario uh against Atlanta you probably stop right around the same range as C it’s the how much do you trust how much you really going to swap somebody out in week 17 if you’re here I can’t imagine

Unless you were somebody who had PCO I can’t imagine that you need a need need a need need any of these running backs down here um but those would be the only two where I could see sliding into your lineup unless you brought them up Stevenson surprises us and does return I

Don’t think I’m with you I think he and Brian Robinson probably just as you mentioned last week don’t even play out the season because why but they might be somebody but again I mean we’re talking about running backs you stop at 25 for so unless you got to injury like unless

She lost pcho I I don’t really see anybody that needs these running backs as you said running back’s the simplest has ever been probably well I think it is until you get to number 20 I think that David Montgomery is still a strong start but you know against Dallas in

Dallas it’s still indoors they might just rely heavily on The Rush game there and he might just score three touchdowns so you got kind of have to play him after that though you like Pard Swift javante Chandler a chain Edwards Air Eckler Connors I think those eight guys

You can kind of Shuffle the deck with them any way that you want to go like if you had if you told me that you wanted Clyde Edwards Air at 21 over Tony perard I think that’s a reasonable case based on the results that we’ve seen if you

Wanted to bump those guys down or up in any sort of Direction I would get it I think there’s sort of a cluster of eight players though and then you get into the I mean hell you can throw single ter Nai Jerome Ford and Gus Edwards into that

Mix too if you really wanted to and to speak of the Dante foran thing he missed the game due to personal matters it wasn’t an injury so we we don’t really know what’s going on I would expect him to play this week though that was a weird one yeah it was

Questionable up until they said late in the week that it was per personal and so yeah I’m I’m with you I don’t I’m not going to guarantee plays but I was just bringing that up just in case just if he’s out you could feel better about KH

Herbert I actually had he and ran Johnson real close last week because I think that’s the perfect example like that’s the upside if you want to chase a ceiling play like maybe you you had injuries at wide receiver like oh my God I think my wide receivers in Flex League

Scored a whoppy nine combined points with DJ Moore Deontay Johnson it doesn’t even matter who the other one was that’s how bad it was against Jimmy Eisenberg go ahead um but in that scenario where I was already down from Thursday and Saturday with Deontay Johnson especially

If I’m shooting for the upside like the CLE Herbert play is something like you could do but to I bring that in to say that’s the Clyde Edward’s hilarious situation is that D like yes he should be the lead yes he should be top 20 yes he should get the opportunities but is

It guaranteed no is Cle Herbert in that scenario guaranteed to do the exact same thing again no because just two weeks ago when it was deont Foreman they came out the next week and it was Roshan Johnson and so like that just just a scenario where I wouldn’t want to trust

Them but if I need that ceiling play would be something I would go for like if it’s a ceiling play I’d play him over Javonte Williams if it’s pure ceiling you know I could see playing him over James Conor although James Conor just had a big game but you get my point

You’re talking about khil Herbert or Clyde Edwards Air both of them in those scenarios no I I don’t think I would I don’t think I would consider either of them over javante Williams Javonte Williams has been awful I I understand that but he still gets the ball near the goal he’s still their

Most useful running back and this is just a much better matchup this week ah so like what do you always say it’s the Derrick Henry thing so what he gets a touchdown he still only scores 11 points no thank you if I’m going pure ceiling yeah see I don’t know about that because

The multiple touchdowns are on the board for him and when we think about like yeah you can talk about ceiling there has to be some context for floor too because Herbert could have zero points if Foreman’s back even if even if Forman not back he could have zero points and I

Said that I said but I’m chasing pure ceiling and me look at this how many times three games over 11 points scoring touchdown like 16 he got with a touchdown he also got a touchdown at 9.4 last week on 2.2 yards per carry for jonath I’m say pure ceiling I understand

The zero I’m giving you the scenario that I was playing out where I’m behind already my team is already disappointing I need a pure ceiling play I want to risk the zero that’s all I’m saying even even in that scenario I would still play javante because of the Chargers matchup

And to flip it around based on what we’ve seen basically the past eight weeks since the trade deadline Chicago is like impossible to run on I don’t disagree but yeah and the the other team wait what is what is Chicago have being I’m not talking about Atlanta though because the other team that’s

Also kind of impossible to run on as we’ve seen is Atlanta oh well I still I’m still going ceiling this is just a ceiling argument I I mean I’d rather just pick up Clyde Edwards Air and play him okay okay well that might be an not an option for a lot of

People okay um yeah I’m just I’m I’m not digging your khil Herbert here I just don’t see it in terms of like upside I mean best case scenario might be 20 points most likely scenario Four Points okay but the 20 points is more likely than that’s not Javon Williams

Has done all year we’ll see I mean do you want to I wish there was a way we could bet on this but there isn’t real also there a bet contingent on the fact that deont foreman doesn’t play I suppose so what do you do with Tai

Chandler number 24 he got all the work he scored a touchdown he was a zero in the receiving game they stopped running the ball after like eight minutes into the game now against Green Bay Green Bay has been a bottom three defense over the

Past eight weeks I I think I mean i’t at 24 that’s ahead of aain I mean that I think that’s your scenario right there like aain could explode for 50 points we’ve seen that it just doesn’t seem likely to happen at this point no because of the use and although

Maybe he gets a little more work with no Jaylen wad it just you know that’s probably Cedric Wilson which we’ll talk about at wide receiver but maybe a little bit more work in that kind of scenario but it’s Baltimore I mean this game could just turn out to be a lowc

Scoring game from their side of things I mean we just saw what they didn’t know I’m not saying Tua is Brock pie but um and that being a compliment to Tua as in that way I think he’s better to be able to withstand that defense than prie is

But still I I wouldn’t I wouldn’t put hn higher if that’s I think Tai Chandler where you have him is fine I’d actually to bring this into the conversation I know that you’re talking about the matchup here if we still have no Alexander Madison but you have Madison

In the ranks if we had no Alexander Madison I would say Tai Chandler up by like Josh Jacobs but that’s it I mean we’re talking four or five spot so he could be like David mcgomery does he score his touchdown against the Cowboys that’s a fair spot for him for the risk

That you’re running there Tai Chandler with all the work I would stop right there I don’t think how could you play him with Josh Jacobs coming back against the Colts you know Derrick Henry’s got a pretty good match up with the Texans I don’t I just don’t think you could push

Tai Chandler much higher I I’m with you Madison was back last week he didn’t do anything I I that’s what back as in like in the workload like he’s he was in a full practice until the end of the week like comes down to like is he practicing

A full yeah I would have been interested to see what the split between them would have been if it was a more competitive game early without the Vikings playing catchup for a lot of it and then even when they took the lead coming out of the half they immediately got back down

Again and stopped running the ball I think he had one carry for negative yard in the first half I don’t think he touched the ball again yeah so we got M Green Bay I mean they could stay in contention for that one but that’s also too you like want to

Wait till the very last game of the week yeah I mean I I I don’t mind Tai Chandler this week I think it’s a good match up against Green Bay I I would roll with him like out of all like the random pickup dudes that we’ve had over

The past few weeks I think that he’s still the best one if I gotta tell you if Madison’s practicing in full andad Madison played like what are you talking about I know he played I know he played but he wasn’t practicing in full the entire week I think he practiced I

Think he got in a almost full like a weird session on Friday he still wasn’t 100% going to that game the reports were like he’s still not 100% Madison and it’s like there was even the report from Kevin oconnell that like he’s going to get out there but we’re going to still

Stick with Chandler one because a performance but two is like that Madison is not 100% I’m saying if he was I just feel better about Clyde Edwards Air with nobody I mean I’m not that concerned about perine taking Snaps away from Edwards Air versus Chandler with some

Potential loss from Madison I could see that being a tossup I would actually probably go Collide over air in this scenario against Cincinnati too Cincinnati can’t stop anybody no they cannot stop anyone especially on the ground I still have more faith in Tai Chandler than CL I’ve been down the

Clyde Edwards aair Road in the past not correct we’ve all been burned too many times that’s why all right any more running backs you want to talk about no okay do you want to answer the question now because everybody’s gonna ask if there’s no Josh Jacobs where

Would zir white rank well I ran the first run of projections just to see what the answer to that would be uh I did that at runthe sims.com you can always go do that at run the sims.com by the way you can run projections DFS lineup simulations but I just ran them

Without I ran them without Zack moss and I ran them without Josh Jacobs just to see what they would spit out for the week Jonathan Taylor actually has the second highest projected total of any running back behind Christian mcaffrey and zamir white is number eight on the

Week o I don’t think I could play zamir white over Barkley and Bree Hall well we got Bree Hall got jets in Cleveland actually I could do I could see that one Henry Montgomery I don’t know my my biggest concern we didn’t get to see it

My biggest concern zir white if they get down it’s a bunch of Brandon Balden and Amir Abdullah and there was a little bit of share of their early in the game but nobody expected that to be the outcome and went completely out the window and they didn’t even throw passes for the

Rest of the game after the I mean they did there’s just zero completions what do he attempt two or one for the rest of the game from the second quarter on that you cannot expect that to happen again even against the Colts so I mean I get

It but man I don’t I don’t know if I could stomach sitting Barkley or Jones or Hull or even Derrik Henry for zamir white in my championship game but I would get it I would understand it yeah I do think that projections are different than rankings in how you’re

Going to assess your lineups if you want to purely go off the numbers of the computer zamir white would be an incredible play this week I think for me yeah number 15 is about right I think like one spot one spot behind Barkley one spot ahead of Breeze hall for zir

White I think that’s where I would put him yeah so your lineup not like challenging you I’m just asking a straight up question so you’re in lineup you would bench David mcgomery if you had that option for Samir white I would yeah okay I can see it I just I think

The guarantee was with Montgomery well I have Josh Jacobs above Montgomery right now and that’s assuming that Josh Jacobs isn’t going to just come back and have 99% of the workload like zir white is going to be involved in some capacity whether it’s a minimal capacity a third

Split whatever it might be he’s going to take something away from Josh Jacobs I I guess the part with zamir white is I mean maybe even it’s not even a downside upside case it’s just they’re giving him the ball near the goal line zamir white that’s huge and with David Montgomery

You one bad carry near the goal line then Jamir Gibbs scores and you’re just left holding the bag kind of thing I could definitely I definitely get your point you know what there was one more running back that I I joked about him earlier when I was talking

About James Cook uh I would actually have James Connor hire just because he’s done it because it comes down I know yeah he’s down at 28 you just had the bad match up with the Bears and Bad match up and a bad match up against the

49ers and scored in that game too and this is actually a better match up than people think the Eagles can’t tackle anymore this is what we just saw two weeks in a row saquon Barkley like yeah it took volume but I mean we’re talking about volume of Connor they can’t T

They’re just like bouncing off running backs at this point uh it could go sideways but James Conor and that workload like kind of comes into that David Montgomery like yeah I think I would actually go James Conor over dve Montgomery would you play him over Josh

Jacobs I go back to if they’re going to risk playing Josh Jacobs why would they do it unless they’re just going to use him close to normal I don’t disagree with you on the fact that they’re not going to give him 99% of the work and

Nobody else is going to get involved but I just I lean Josh Jacobs just one spot that’s a even though the Eagles have been worse as a team of late they’re still not the Colts I would still play Josh Jacobs against the Colts so Montgomery or Connor I guess is the

Question Connor I would go Jacobs Conor Montgomery there we go that’s the wrong one let’s see here James Auto formatting for the win yeah great fantastic news hey you can find all the rankings up uh in the description and on DK Nation the finalized version that we’re doing

Through the show will be the one that are posted up there and I’ll update them throughout the course of the week as well once we get a little bit more news I didn’t put Zach moss in the rankings where do you think think I should put him like is he playable

Whatsoever I wouldn’t want to do it in my championship game like is he is he in the lir Justice Hill Kareem hunt Damen Pierce range Jaylen Warren like that’s just kind of I was going to go slightly higher but yes I was gonna say Jaylen Warren Gibb Spears Brown like that range

That’s where I would put him would you play brown or would you play Zach Moss Cincinnati against Kansas City screen game I still go chase round alir or Zach Moss alir alir I don’t even care about B match up they still use him no matter what Justice Hill or Zach

Moss Justice Hill against Miami after that use again that’s almost a 50-50 split I would go Justice Hill cream hunt we got the Jets I’d probably yeah I’d probably stop right there all right Zach Moss number 40 in the rankings probably someone you shouldn’t be playing this week in your

Championship match up maybe a great play in the the consolation Championship matchup but not so much the actual matchup we over on DraftKings to surprise everybody after he gets 50% of the work this week and scores a touchdown true all right let’s move to wide receivers you had mentioned Jaylen

Wadd a few minutes ago he is not expected to play this week he has a high ankle sprain Jordan Addison I don’t have in the rankings either he has an ankle injury as well cland Sutton has a head injury will monitor his status moving forward Green Bay has no healthy

Receivers at this point uh Wick left the game after catching a touchdown with a chest injury Christian Watson hasn’t played in a month at this point and Jaden Reed actually missed the game with a toe injury so we’ll keep their statuses updated throughout the week Robbie chosen has a concussion he’s

Probably not going to play against Baltimore so an even better case for Cedric Wilson we’ll rank Cedric Wilson here in a second Jamar Chase missed week 16 he has like an AC joint or a separated shoulder or something he might try to power through it with their

Season on the line we’ll see I’m expecting Michael Pitman to play this week if he was was that close last week ju guu who knows who cares Maris Brown we’ll see about his heel I don’t have him in right now I don’t think I don’t think so at least Kadarius Tony Z Jones

Is was called week to week we’ll see if he can end up coming back but I wouldn’t count on it and then Keenan Allen do you think we’ll see Keenan Allen the rest of the year no I think he’s I think he’s done I I don’t think so either but that’s me so

The rankings themselves CD lamb is number one Jefferson AJ Brown Aman raw Tyreek Evan DJ Moore Debo auk olave that’s the top 10 puka Pitman DK metf Cooper cup Rashid rice Devon Smith Devonte Adams Calvin Ridley Nico Collins I don’t really care who’s playing quarterback if it’s just going to be

Ridley there he’s going to eventually it might be painful to watch but he’ll get there for you Steph Diggs at number 20 what a fall he’s had T Higgins uh Amaray Cooper and gar Wilson are just in terrible spots this week but you know 22

And 23 it’ be hard to bench am Marie Cooper coming off like 50 points in your life probably the reason that you’re in the finals but here we are Chris Godwin Hopkins McClaren Jaden Reed I have in I have at number 27 courland Sutton I have

In I have at number 28 Pickins Lockett Z flowers Deontay Johnson Brennan Cooks Noah Brown Drake London jacobe Meers Demarcus Robinson Gabe Davis Josh DS Zade Jones I have in but you know he can be replaced pretty easily in the rankings not that you really want to go

Out of your way to play Z Jones anyway and then you’re into your jsn Beckham thielen KJ Osborne Wilson maybe that’s even too high for Michael Wilson because he can’t catch the ball Josh Palmer Shahed CH Demario Douglas Jameson Williams I do have wixon with dubs as

Well but we’ll see about their injury status a lot of the stuff we’re just not going to know I buried some of the Green Bay receivers because they do play in that later game that’s going to be tougher to rely on them unless you have the backups for them going forward to

Insert into your lineups but Cedric Wilson is presumably going to take the spot of Jaylen wad where would you rank him against the Ravens this week well so that’s the interesting thing is the Ravens continue to be like the eagles which continue to be one of these ones

Where slot wide receivers and tight ends are where you get the most work uh most opportunity I should say so Cedric Wilson in this play like the only concern that I would have about going too crazy on this uh kind of like this KJ osor and fill in situation is that it

Could go sideways I mean just more opportunities as the two is sometimes as we see wide receivers when they go from two to one and they get that extra defensive attention is they just they’re not good enough for it so I would run that risk in addition to the fact this

Whole tight end Durham Smite running out of the slot situation I just don’t know what’s a lock so I think he’s in play I would play Cedric Wilson over would you play him over would you play him over Dem Marcus Robinson at this point because I

Wouldn’t no I was actually going to go lower than that so to go back to your Michael Wilson thing I would actually swap that out for Greg dorch that’s what I would just SW switch those two Greg dorch is the one that you want to risk

If anybody and I still wouldn’t want to do that um also because of slot against to go against the Eagles more slot for dorch than Wilson actually it’s Rond Del Moore but not doing that I would play Shahed over him I would play Shahed probably over KJ Osborne too against

Tampa Bay okay I mean he’s been been really good would you play him over jsn Shahed yeah I would play Shahed all the way up by over Z Jones at 40 I’d put him right there in that DeMar Robinson Davis DS convers I could even see the argument of putting him over Demarcus

Robinson he’s the three versus shed being the two yeah I I do I I do I do appreciate the team that can actually complete passes at a higher rate I don’t disagree with you and I was just about to say one of my championship games I’m going I I

Have a feeling I lost my quarter I lost two quarterbacks and I’ve been playing like this roulette at the end of the year and fortunately I’ve been surviving with Joe Flaco and now I’m legitimately in the conversation of I picked him picked this quarterback up only because

I’m like well what if Joe Flaco gets hurt and it’s Derek Carr and I think I might actually go down with my ship playing Derek Carr against Tampa Bay look look at Derek Carr’s last two games he’s been playing really well all a sudden I feel like we discussed this

Like a month or so ago before he had the concussion it was the game where they got to the Red Zone I forget what game it was but they got into the red zone seven times and didn’t score a touchdown it’s like well it’s going to flip the

Other way if they’re moving the ball this well that all of a sudden he’s just going to explode for two weeks it’s happened and there’s no reason for it not to continue to happen against Tampa Bay who can’t stop the pass whatsoever I know it’s just I’m worried

That like that was it he he fired all his bullets out of the chamber and he’s done now so anyway so would you play Adam Thelen or Cedric Wilson um Cedric Wilson at this point Jackson Smith and jiga or Cedric Wilson against Pittsburgh I think I this is I I they

Going to shot all the fence on you is this Smith and jba would be a floor I know Smith and jba is going to get me five to 15 points in that range Cedric Wilson would be if I want to risk the higher upside but I understand the floor

Could be two and I don’t even know what if there’s a ton of upside against the Ravens anyway because this might not be Cedric Wilson it may have been Cedric Wilson in a pinch when they needed him they could run Craycraft out of there they could run baros out of there if

They’re trying to redesign their offense without Jaylen Wadd that just may have been what they did in a pinch or I mean could be the whole Jacksonville Jaguar situation we’re all sitting there for the first time first time I got caught this year Watching the

Jag like this was the yes I was like I don’t know who Elija Cooks is I did not watch any film on I legitimately didn’t know who that it’s the first time I’ve had this this entire year Pat I sat there I was like I don’t know who that

It was like I don’t know that person I I had no idea who it was I was like oh good because I played Parker Washington in my main DraftKings line bad swap for me last second I went from I think it was like breeze Hall and Ridley into like Parker Washington and

Someone super expensive and both those guys sucked and the other two like would have won me all the money that that that does suck that’s rough happens I’m sorry happens from time to time yeah if you’re not willing to if you’re not willing to lose you can’t win

Jake that is true I think when you put Cedric Wilson in right there is a fine spot you know the volume was there again for Thelen but you want to talk about can’t catching and it’s not it’s not cuz th can’t catch it’s that while Bryce young has been improving some of late

Connection just is with everybody else like he’s still throwing to th it’s just those the balls just aren’t I don’t know where their lost Rapport went um but something’s not right between the two of them so I’m okay with that spot because if it does connect a little bit we could

Be a little bit higher uh Gabe Davis this comes down to so the one thing more often than not you brought it up a few weeks ago and that’s when I brought up the fact of when you face man heavy teams is because Davis can get behind

Them is those are the opportunities you take with Gabe Davis this is this the Patriots aren’t as favorable as they have been I’d actually put Davis lower but you know what you’re we don’t really need to go too far into that I’ll put him lower would you would you play

Beckham or Gabe Davis because they kind of feel like the same guy uh so I was gonna say I’ll give you my answer you could say it is Beckham because I’d put Gabe Davis down by DJ CH they’re essentially the same wide receiver at this point yeah I’d rather

Still have Josh Allen throwing the ball oh no no 100% I just meant one spot like I’d put him with DJ CH like right behind Joshua Palmer I’m going to put him one spot behind Beckham I think after looking at this I’m going to bump up Palmer though above Josh DS Palmer’s

Been all right he has been he does get Denver though so not go too crazy I’m not too concerned about Denver oh you put him in front on down actually that’s good I mean I actually went Joshua Palmer Josh DS one two and the waiver wire wide

Receivers so there we are yeah did Denver I think on paper it seems like a much worse matchup than it maybe actually is like de Mario Douglas almost got to 100 yards on them a lot of short stuff though that’s fine those passes count I I didn’t say did I’m just I’m

Just clarifying for people out there okay looking down your ranks to see if there’s anybody else before you even ask the question exactly why do you hate Tyler boy yeah no just not big on Tyler board it’s volume he’s really no different than dearo Douglas all right I’ll bump him up

Void oh bump yeah you’re right he probably should be ahead of Demario Douglas yeah I’m gonna keep him behind CH though and Curtis Curtis Samuel comes into play whether or not it’s funny enough like if Howell plays I’d be more interested in Curtis Samuel if they just

Turn to brassette I’d be less inclined because brassette is completely different throw it’s funny that brassette doesn’t throw deep but for whatever reason when he does get on this what why does he play for Washington all sudden like I’m just going to start flinging the ball downfield like that’s

Not who brasset is and all of a sudden he wants to when he comes into court is it one of the ones you always bring up like what’s the downside you might as well just take shots downfield because you have no reason to play for anything

Anyway well I think that’s part of the Joe Flo Resurgence that he’s playing with this defense that’s amazing I think stefansky is just like man you throw a 5149 jump ball deep ball it’s really good just do that every time and if they pick it off no big deal our defense will

Get it back for you then we can try it again then then what’s what’s what’s the Washington argument that I defense is so bad it’s not going to matter anyway probably yeah okay so I’ll put boy at number 49 one spot ahead of Demario Douglas the

Only one I want to talk about because CJ strout is expected to be back is Xavier Hutchinson like if you needed an absolute flyer I think you and I have talked about him a few times and even watching that Texans game on Sunday you could see how they were trying to use

Him as tank Dell running the same routes trying to get him involved in sweeps short routes trying to get him like down the seam and behind the defense it’s just Case Keenum can’t get him the ball so it’s useless I know so much so that they

Brought in Davis Mills and he didn’t do much better job at getting anybody the ball yeah I do think this the Hutchinson play where you have like the Pierce and the wandell’s of the world if CJ Stout is back it’s something you you you and I talked about immediately that week after

Tank Dell got hurt and I said that’s the role he’s going to fill obviously I wouldn’t start him over anybody like inside the top 50 even where you have him right now knowing that this week because Noah Brown is out there Noah Brown and Nico Collins strong plays of

Of course but if you’re desperate yeah like that you have them in the conversation like if you’re desperate H I’m trying to see if there’s anybody beh like Quinton Johnston i’ would put a little bit higher like I’d go Quint Johnson over tra not happening it takes

One catch for 50 yards yeah he has to catch that’s that’s the real problem here guys Su when does when does Trin Burks ever get one catch for 50 yards I mean what are you talking about number 70 in the rankings who cares I am going to one more in your

Rankings uh even before courland s was getting Marvin Mims has started to get a lot of use at the end of the season so if there is no courland Sutton I think Marvin Mims is in play ahead of Hutchinson actually ahead of Samuel I think I think he’s pushing top 50 if

There’s no sun all right it’s not that random other dude was it Brandon Johnson Brandon Johnson we’ve done this before it what his one catch for a touchdown yeah he had three catches I think he led them in receiving which is sad yeah did that happen earlier this year too it was he

Like LED them in receiving one random week I thought it was Jordan humy who did it h he did it too oh fun fun Broncos just don’t play play Sutton play Javonte Williams don’t play anyone else and you’re probably good to go including Russell Wilson as we go to

Quarterbacks yeah I mean he’s good for your 15 points a week that that’s kind of thing we’re going to go tight ends actually before we get into quarterbacks so tight end injuries Cole Kat exited the game he came into the game I have game instead of knee I don’t know why I

Put that in there you know still got Christmas brain on the go and I’m doing my own proof reading because everyone else is else is off Jake and it’s not going well but Co Kat has a knee injury he came into the game with a quad injury

But he exited the game so no word on whether or not he’s going to play against Atlanta T.J hawson is probably out for the season uh so he’s not expected to play in week number 17 Luke Musgrave has the eligibility to return as he did last week although it did not

Happen so not sure you’re going to have to pay attention to reports on that just more Packers that are banged up and that is the latest of games I would say that if you’re relying on Craft keep an eye out on that all week and have the backup

Plan in place because you probably don’t want to play Craft if musk grave is back Hunter Henry did not play in week number 16 neither did Greg doul or Michael Meer you know I don’t really care about any of those guys at this point so doesn’t

Really matter to me is there any when you did the waiver column was there a standout tight end pickup that you saw craft it’s been craft it’s been craft for a few weeks getting that work but as you mentioned the Luke Musgrave if back is the big problem and then you

Would turn to Luke Musgrave but I don’t even know that Luke Musgrave wouldn’t be kind of the scenario uh like a Patriots type of situation or even one of these the Giants even with Waller and all of a sudden Daniel Bellinger out there for 40 45% of the tight end opportunities like

I just don’t know that Musgrave would be 100% back so Hunter Henry we know if he plays but I have a big question and then I mean the other four I listed was AK conu Logan Thomas K Dot and Jawan Johnson it’s it’s kind of gross so in

The rankings I have Trey McBride at number one even coming off the quote down game he still had what double digit targets that’s exactly what you’re looking for just a bad game all around from the Cardinals so McBride KD loraa Kelce Ingram top five Ferguson likely and joku

Against the Jets could be a real rough scene or it could be a great game who knows Dalton Schultz GD pittz craft concade Tamm Hill Pat fouth you got Gerald ever I put Cole KD in at number 17 under the assumption that he’s not 100% but we’ll see about

That Darren Waller conin okon kton Tanner Hudson Josh Oliver filling in for KJ Osborne if Jordan Addison is out like you know they’re running out of options here that maybe Oliver can get himself involved I wouldn’t trust it that’d be more like a hey I need a $2500 Showdown player $400 Showdown

Player Sunday night not plug into my championship lineup kind of guy exactly I was just about to say we’re at the point of the Season where you’re you ranked 10 more tight ends than I’ll rank I’m only ranking like 25 at this point of the year yeah I got to

Get to a word count Jake is that what it is all right then move up dur Smite there you go where the hell do I do I even have durm Smite on here I probably forgot him 34 oh there there we go bump him up uh bump him up

To where Darren waller or in front of Noah Fant no in front of Noah Fant just a 28 I just want to get him inside your top 30 there you go like the a after you get to I want to say I guess if concade doesn’t or not

Concade if Musgrave doesn’t play I think the top 12 are like all right and then you could feasibly put Josh Oliver ahead of Dalton conade at this point it’s just a complete gamble at all these other Jabron tight ends I mean you go through their game logs and it’s like 2.3 3.7

And then like 15 I mean that’s just who these tight ends are you’re not wrong at all that’s why outside the Durham SMI joke I was just going to be like done that was a perfect list let’s move on of I’m just looking at the projections for this week after running the simulations

The best of like the really crappy tight ends is actually Gerald Everett he would be ninth in fantasy points by the simulations this and Tanner hsal and Tanner Hudson would be 11 yeah the Sims love Gerald Everett because his medium projection is always I mean he’s

Projected to be ninth this week at 7.8 points and that’s part of the problem too like I always run my projection it’s like Gerald Everett’s always like 15 16 17 I’m like but I’m not playing him like just I’m not not playing unless I want a desperation 1415 and understand that

Gerald Everett will lose two touchdowns to Donald Parham your boy and it’s not going to matter at the end I mean but that’s that’s all these tight ends yeah Daren wall had is zero till the end of the game yeah do you need four for 33

Then Gerald Everett is your man with a potential touchdown with maybe a touchdown what’s he projected for he’s projected for point2 touchdowns so once every five games he’s going to score a touchdown that is true and for everybody out there the the Denver Broncos aren’t the best matchup they gave up their most

Fantasy points to tight ends because Sam leapa had 8 billion points against them two weeks ago and that’s all it took to push them the Denver Broncos were legitimately like middle of the pack because they gave up who was it was it was it KT they gave up 20 points early

This year and then that was the second one and they went legitimately from like 12th or 13th to first overall on points allowed to tight ends that’s why you don’t go by points allowed only okay good note for the the people out there quarterbacks could be pretty interesting because I don’t think we’re

Going to have a lot of this information until we get deeper into the week so right now I I I’m just going to assume Lawrence is going to play because he plays every week but like you said he’s a walking triage unit at this point

Brock pie I’m expecting him to be back I think that the quote unquote Stinger is a real thing but they also had to get him out of there because he was playing so poorly Sam H got benched I assume we’ll see him again I have no idea Tommy

DeVito got benched maybe it’s Tyrod time CJ strad missed the week with a concussion he’ll probably be back Zack Wilson missed the week with a head injury I don’t think he’ll be back will Levis missed last week he might be back this week and then pick it God only knows

Right for for the Steelers sake hopefully he’s not back I mean that could very well be the case I mean I don’t know where I’d want to go when did the offense start working when Mason when Kenny Pi got hurt yeah a little bit uh there’s a golf one in by

The way do you always play in the golf one and done then you like quit after 3 weeks cuz you’re so bad at it but if anyone out there I don’t ever quit on it you just end up coming dead last every year no I told you my strategy I should

Just do this from the jump off is I start off and I start off really poorly for like the first month month and a half and then I just start taking dudes with fun names and I start doing better that is a strategy that people have employed so here’s the deal go to

Fantasy Golf championships. the link is down in the description right now uh and you can play it in Most states not every single state you can’t play it in Ontario but most of Canada here’s the deal though if you know someone in one of the states where you can do it just

Register in that state you can make your picks from anywhere just like a DraftKings lineup so you can go do that it’s $200 to play for the year so it goes from January through August you make one you pick one golfer per week per tournament once you use them once

You can’t use them again the winner gets $80,000 sounds pretty good that’s a pretty good payout yeah second place is like 56,000 this year everyone who finishes inside the top 10 with the payout structure that I worked out gets at least five figures yeah I just I I wish I made it

Down to that far but yeah usually my even my name’s fun gets me back in the mix but it’s I’m going to try I’m just going to do it from the jump off this year maybe this this time I’ll be in the mix well in the quarterback rankings I

Do have Derek Kerr above Joe Flaco so it’s Herz Dak Lamar Allen Fields pie Stafford Mahomes Tua stoud Goff Baker Murray Wilson Russell Wilson Derek Carr Gardner mchu Gino Smith Jordan love Nick Mullins Trevor Lawrence Joe flacko Jake Browning I I could see flacko having a big game but Thursday night against the

Jets just sounds like such a disaster all you don’t want to play the Revenge narrative you want to do that I was thinking about that for someone else it was Tyrod if Tyrod gets in has he like he’s played on like 13 teams hasn’t

He I he play for the Rams though has he has feel like he may have played for the Rams at one point I don’t think so I don’t think he was on the Rams Tyrod Taylor up yeah because I mean he he might not have played but he may have

Been on the roster who knows he’s currently on the Giants according to Google so that’s good to know I knew that it’s not you’re going to find it it’s not no it was the Chargers he played for that’s right okay and they stabbed they stabed remember that yeah

They stabbed him in L with the needle and Herbert played that’s right they almost murdered the guy H so I think I would you know what this is the most critical decision unless you have like one of the absolute stud quarterbacks if you’ve been playing some

Roulette here so I think this is a real discussion this week at quarterbacks you like yeah play that guy or that guy but you might be in a pinch and have to play someone you might not want to play Brock pie this week I am suggesting that you

Do play Brock py this week against the commanders as long as he is playing hell I would play Sam darnold against the commanders if Sam darnold is playing inside the top 10 I’d probably play them both over Tua o Sam darn no I’m not playing Sam Sam Darnell would check in behind Derek

Carr which by the way I played Derrik Carr over Russell Wilson okay would you play him over Kyler Murray I thought about that while I was waiting while you’re going through your explanation and I’m like against Philly that’s the thing is like he can run i’

Say I put it this way as you know even with the floor of the running for Kyler Murray I would still say Kyler Murray is the seal bus play over Derek R Derek car is the safer one at this point um o i i i i would take Derek Carr over Kyler

Murray I think I would would you play him over Baker because I have an interesting Baker Theory here that is a very main character opinion because it revolves around me but I have a gigantic future on the Bucks to win the NFC south from the preseason at 10 to one and if

They just win this game they’re good to go so I have a feeling that every there’s Good Vibes around Baker talking about mutual interest in resigning him because he’s playing so well this is the game where he shows up and throws for 60 yards and four

Picks just about to say this is this is where it goes sideways that’s why I feel that’s how I feel about Derek Carr and that’s how I feel about Joe flacko I feel like all these story book endings are coming this week at the same time I

Mean I don’t know if they’re going to continue to play Nick Mullen or they’re going to go to Reed but Mullen just like casually throws for 400 yards a game he throws four picks but he’s just he’s throwing a ton he’s jamus on the Saints this is this is great for Fantasy I’m

Not upset with it should I have him hire mulls I have 19 like would you play him over Russell Wilson if I’m going for ceiling yeah yeah I’m gonna do that but the floor is four you talk those four interceptions might come without touchdowns they might

Or if he starts out the game with just another horrendous pick he might just get benched that’s the other thing too of course so yeah I’ll drop him I’ll play muu over him but I’ll I’ll play him over Russell Wilson I’m going to rejig these a little bit there we go I was

Going to say I could see even playing him over over Geno against the Steelers the Steelers defense woke up too like now has the Steelers defense woke up because the only two times that they’ve looked good in the past two months has been against the Bengals I was that’s fair I say they’ve

Been playing better like they weren’t terrible outside of the Bengals games they’ve been playing I think the whole thing this this team switched when K picket got benched like trabitz even had a good game for Fantasy purposes sure for Fantasy purposes but like that defense did give up like 24 to

New England in the first half they got passed all over by BR bayy zappy hey hey baay zappy played again well again this week I’m waiting for the bayy zappy conversation to be had for the New England papers and be like oh maybe they shouldn’t draft a quarterback let’s see

What zappy has great I think Tu was an interesting one going up against Baltimore like what what’s your trust factor in him down jayen Wadd in the the spot I I think you got to play like would you play Strat or Tua oh I play Tua for sure I like I I

You know I love strad but I what did I do to that team str’s gonna play one quarter and hurt himself again because what I did I I purposely didn’t wear the hat today just because I want them to play even though the hat would have

Matched a lot better with the shirt just to tell you how worried I am of what I’ve done to the Texans I would still play to it because what I was going to say for your question as you asked it St without Wadd is like I feel or Tua

Without Wadd I feel like this is like 90 95% Tua if it was no Tyreek Hill I be way more concerned and I would be considering Derek Carr over Tu in this match up without Tyreek Hill but with Tyreek Hill I’m not that concerned I think you can make up Wadd with their

Weapons more than you can make up Tyreek Hill if you had to guess where Nick Mullen projects this week amongst quarterbacks where would you guess projections yeah against Green Bay yeah seven eight yeah there you go yeah 19 points what do we have here yeah it’s Green Bay

Uh 33 pass attempts 22 completions 260 yards two touchdowns and a pick and a half he does fuel his passing with all those picks people forget that pick and a half seems possibly low it’s it’s a projection that’s like the highest one I’ve seen all year this is especially

Because Jr Alexander is back so he could get to himself doesn’t he usually get lit up by Justin Jefferson though is he the one that get yeah I don’t remember I feel like they going to send me down a rabbit hole before I do my rest of my Rankings today thank you

Then you give me something to write on by the way you’ll like my fun rankings this week what are they it’s the pat May Graphics we’ve done all year I’m ranking them oh nice the thumbnails I don’t have one for this episode unfortunately oh photo Photoshop guys Photoshop guys on

Holiday ah okay great Photoshop guy by the way oh fantastic AI art who [Laughter] knew so yes you like those the other critical decision that you’ll have to make without just kind of rolling the same lineup that you’ve been rolling out the entire time is defenses so I have

Cleveland at number one on Thursday night against the Jets that seems very logical San Francisco on the road against Washington at number two then we have Buffalo New England the Jets on Thursday night in that same game Dallas Chicago Indie Vegas Baltimore the Rams Tampa Bay Seattle New Orleans Philly

Minnesota Green Bay then the Giants and Jacksonville so there’s a lot of options this week is out of the streamers that you suggested to pick up who were the highest ranked Raiders Raiders yeah Raiders were one Raiders were won they’ve been playing I mean just great since the Raiders average 30 fantasy

Points a week over the last two over the last two yeah the the Rams were up there and you have them at 11 um the one that I no I was going to say I I missed you when you breezing through I missed Chicago I was going to say I have

Chicago higher than you no you have Chicago right there with me I was like I went Raiders Rams bears not much of a difference between yours I just always go back to are you factored I forget we kind of glossed over at quarterback you have hinek oh

Yeah hin starting the rest of the season so yeah I’m actually okay with the Bears there I should probably swap the Rams and bears in mine so who else do you have Seattle at 13 was my next one the Colts got bumped I’m bumped the Colts

Down okay I I can I can do that too you know what it’s on the Colts and I was going to bring this up on the spread show and I probably still will so if you watch both shows at the same point twice Atlanta had one play on Sunday past two

Running backs and the Colts are like you know what we’re not going to defend it how about that I dare you to keep doing it yeah it was outrageous you’re not wrong on that so I guess the Raiders it’s just it like we just saw the biggest problem

Is now it’s the other it’s kind of the version of the Falcons argument for defense is facing him if you’re going to run and not even throw the damn ball where’s the opportunities for the defense outside of hopefully forcing a fumble so that that’s why and I said

Last week you know that’s part of it it kind of goes in double double uh two-handed there is that I would actually worry about the Colts not even just getting money opportunities to pick off aen oconnell yeah I mean that also is a particular game script though if

The Raiders do jump out to the big lead but oh that’ll do it championship week that’s another year Jake year nine yeah we’ll still do more shows what time are you doing the recap show on Sunday night I told you I promis I’d try to make one of these uh well we’re not

Doing we didn’t do one this Sunday night we’re not doing one this Sunday night we might do one in the New Year might for week 18 okay we might do that we’ll see yeah maybe okay maybe not just for the insanity of it all yeah it might be over

For this year who know I guess for 2024 until next football season because there’s just Sunday Monday becomes now with golf starting next week Sunday Monday is very congested for me that is true you and your golf is so so much fun yeah that wasn’t that sounded so sarcastic it wasn’t I

Was the tone of my voice some of us need to do something in the football off season and I don’t want to pay attention to baseball and no one cares about baseball so I knew you were going there too like it’s just mine’s baseball yours is golf I was legitimately being ious I

Just I I heard my voice as I said it and I was like wow that sounded really sarcastic Jake cely at all in kid the waiver column is up at theathletic.com rankings out tonight at midnight because we’re doing this a day late yeah tonight at midnight yeah so stay up and check

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