England’s Tour of West Indies: Review & Series Loss Analysis with Sam Ellard & Cameron Ponsonby

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Hello and welcome to talk sports Cricket YouTube channel samod and Cameron pen at the Brian Lara Cricket Academy just moments after the West Indies beat England by four wickets to seal a victory in the match and also a a series Victory West Indies 3 England two it

Finishes England gave it a good go the West Indies chasing down 133 winning by four wickets into the final over a low-scoring game of cricket but an entertaining entertaining game of cricket even and puns and B is is alongside me um different but just as entertaining no I’d prefer 267 that was

Amazing the other the match the other day was incredible this was very entertaining as well uh England have fallen the wrong side of the result again it kind of feels like the same message we’ve been told throughout the tour don’t worry about losing it’s fine like the process is right it doesn’t

Matter about the result and um to be honest I bought that of the ODI series I I feel like I’m being gasset a little bit with the T20 side the message we’re getting is that this is an inexperienced newish group eight of the players who played today were in this starting 11

For the World Cup final a year ago like this this is basically what the World Cup squad is going to be in six months time I don’t think you can but sure I think just interrupt you we should say hopefully jofer Arch is included hopefully Ben soos is included they have

The options of Johnny Berto and Mark Wood certainly the first two they’re they’re pretty big they’re pretty big players to be bringing back into a team no absolutely but if you going along the lines of four there are four players come back into this team and there are

Only three players who played today who didn’t play in the World Cup final last year you’re pretty much at full strength because even one of those four that we’ve mentioned would still have to sit out or Another World Cup winner would have to sit out I just think it’s very I

Think this this T20 team is being held to the standard of the ODI World Cup and not the group that they are themselves in the context of the ODI World Cup sure we’ve had five interesting t20s there has been learning here in that they lost the first two and they went look you

Can’t play like this in the Caribbean we need to change our style of play and they won two of the following three brilliant especially six months out from a World Cup if you had two pre season friendlies and lost and then you turned it around when it was when it mattered

You consider that a success but I still just can’t quite wrap my head around how a group that is literally reigning world champions are holding themselves to a standard where publicly at least they’re saying it’s fine this is okay we’ve lost and I just think like if if if if

They’re going to if if on the one hand winning is a habit then so to is losing yeah and I think that’s fair I think England have gone into a habit of losing and there’s been a lot of games on this tour as you rightly mentioned that have

Been close games of cricket but it feels like England have just lost G they got they been in good positions in a lot of games and lost so you’re not as convinced that England are okay as what justos B just told you how far away then are they because they haven’t got many

Matches there have do they as a team before the T20 World Cup how far away are they from being a team that can come here and win and if they’re far away what do they need to do or who they need to bring in to make this team potential

St that can win this competition yeah and I think this where I’m going to conct myself a little bit here and you need like if you think I’m being too harsh like tell me be honest but I don’t I don’t have a problem with where the

Team is I don’t have a problem with how they’re playing I think this is a fantastic team and that’s why I’m so confused about what the messaging is that’s that’s all it is really for me is a case of surely when we had Mo Ali come

And talk to us after the second ODI he was like tangibly irritated you could see he was t0 yeah T20 he was ticking Phil we spoke toil so after the third one and he was saying yeah no team’s ever happy when they’re losing and that was kind of a more reflective genuine I

Think sentiment from the group I think maybe I’m just getting confused at the kind of the element of like media control where it’s like oh no we’re happy with how things are going at the moment I’m like well why sure surely you can surely can be like we’re really

Annoyed and really upset to lose it’s not good enough it’s not the stand we hold ourselves to but we feel really close I think that’s where my irritation we’ve probably done enough of these interviews though to know that sometimes you know what would the headlines be if after halfway through

The series Jos Butler comes out and slams this England flops you know come you must have done enough of these I’m sure just just strikes me as a super super super competitive bloke yeah so he might come out here and look you in the eye and go oh yeah it’s been good

Progress but he’s not stupid is he well no that’s that’s exactly my point I think that’s where we realized that with the ODI team when they lost the first one and they were very very nicely nicely after they lost and he was like okay this is a new er I actually believe

This now because this is a new group new eras you said to the players are the same I think the ODI group is a new group I think the ODI group is a new group I think the t21 is not and then but go go back to the World Cup do you

Remember when Ben Stokes gave the interview and he just went he was like what’s been wrong he’s like oh we we’ve been crack yeah I I wasn’t really sure if that would make the cut or not no would I think you could have said he said the s word that would have been

Fine didn’t he said the c word the c oh sorry yeah Oh I thought he said the s word oh my bad AP very sensible man is Benjamin very well mediat train clearly well done Danny Ruben and um and I think that go I think that like comes across

Really well cuz it’s very genuine kind of it’s an honest it’s an honest statement that was the whole thing from the World Cup is the gossip was kind of that there wasn’t any gossip the team was trying hard they all together it was just maybe there at the end of the road

Or whatever that can be true though as well right they’ve had so much good times together it’s hard to win every World Cup right I 100% bind I 100% agree with that I think that’s a very honest assessment from Ben Stokes that’s why I’m just confused about this T20 series

Cameron what are the what are the biggest concerns for England coming out of the series going into the new year what haven’t you liked about what you’ve seen from this team over the past couple of weeks I think I had a worry at the beginning of the series that they had in

The first three t20s they had three completely different team makeups so they changed from Ben Ducket to Mo Ali after the first one and Matthew M said yesterday that was basically a case of him and Butler going you know what we’ve got the team balanced wrong we don’t

Think this is the right way to go about t T20 cricket in the Caribbean and then after this Ben duck can’t hit hard enough enough early on in his Innings atten well Ben it’s a little bit on Ben duck but also they wanted another bowling option and to contest the kind

Of power of the West Indies then they lost the second one and they changed again they went ainson and tople in for wokes and armed I want to say and that really abandoned their previous like kind of white bu Mantra of batting really deep like Gus ainson started this

Tour at number 11 in the Odis he was finishing St everything is about Gus isn’t it oh Gus this Gus that oh I did an hour with Gus yesterday look out for that in the new year you might as well plug it now come on head of the test

Series ESPN quick info I can meet puns and me the two bezies are reunited and it feels so sorry you’re actually making a really good point then um I’ll go with kin instead kin back at eight and P at four but kin can do that that’s a bad

Worst Point um and so I was kind of wasn’t really sure where their kind of ducks were falling in a row I think that’s a phrase and then but on the flip side you could then you could then Ma I imagine Matthew M would say to me but

Then we came to the conclusion we wanted to we’ve won two out the following three and we are actually in a position where we feel quite strong going forward I think maybe I’m being too pedantic maybe I’m being too precious but I think my problem with the England team isn’t with

The England team at all I think they’re a fantastic team and I think they’ll do very very well in the world cup and they’ll be much much better having played five matches here my frustration is that a team that that was double world champions are publicly at least

Kind of like saying it’s oh we’re chilled with the defeat kind of thing that that that I find that bizarre I guess the biggest positive is obviously the bloker the top of the order who for some reason didn’t score 100 today which I’m not really sure

Why did he get out rather than just keeping the I think Phil should be dropped from this team personally for not scoring another 100 um but Butler salt I guess have obviously cemented themselves as one and two maybe Jackson three as well then I like Li Livingston

Banging high up the order I’ve always thought he’s one of our best players I’ve never been I’ve always I I feel like when he comes in at six and seven he doesn’t face enough balls for a player of his quality we know Harry Brook’s quality then I guess you’re

Looking maybe at Mo and Aly and of course Ben Stokes coming back that I guess looks one of the best if not the best top six on or top seven even on paper man it’s an amazing team this is kind of the I hope I’m I hope I’m putting this

Point across that I do think this England team are amazing and that’s why I’m confused that’s what’s frustrating as a f go my eye that’s what’s frustrating is that it is a great team it’s not like there’s 11 usess cricketers out there they’re getting beat you go okay we know it’s a team

Stacked for the world class cricketers who have just they’re just not exe they haven’t executed their skills well enough over the last couple of weeks but then as you say that top six top seven you’re probably going to have beo maybe com in at three for will Jack he’ll

Probably be the one who ends up missing out wa Phil Sal’s not going anywhere Jos but’s not going Jacks go anywhere well if it’s a choice between him and salt no him and beo him and beo oh obviously Salt’s one and two I think it might go

Jack to three wow I think he’s a gun player I really think yeah I think I am dropping be to I like Jack I think ja I feel a bit sorry for him cuz I actually thought coming into this series that he was going to be the guy that would go

With Butler at the top and it could have been him scoring those hundreds obviously Salt’s got to play now and I’m happy for salt but I didn’t know feel like every time Jax is almost there to cement himself as the opener he either gets dropped or someone else comes in I

Know I’d like them to go Jack three and say you’re our number three now go you’re our guy the roles have reversed a little bit in that kind of coming into this West Indian series like ODI series and T20 probably Jax was a little bit ahead of salt and that’s definitely

Flipped on this point and similarly in the kind of Odis Jack had the kind of more actual scores to his name he got 90 against Ireland he scored scored a few half centuries and salt hadn’t had that and now that’s kind of swapped but will

Jax is Will Jax is going to play in this white bu team these whiteb teams for the next like 5 10 years he’s such a good player so strong with the bat is able to bowl very very good off spin more than kind of part-time off spin um he made

Your list your Tweet today didn’t he list of options Butler has got with the ball poor Liam Livingston didn’t make it I forgot Liam Livingston to be fair Butler didn’t give him a bowl either today so me me and Jos actually talk quite a lot about a bowling strategies

But I agree with well I wouldn’t brag about that at the moment way youve just slacked him off and 10 minutes and you got one I’m I’m just I’m just in a syn with but yeah no that’s a good point actually but um I agree with you I think

Liam Livingston at four is just looks better it’s more exciting when he comes out you’re like oh like because Li Liv’s bat swing is one of them I think it’s my favorite in the game I I know it’s really nerdy no I agree with you but

Like he just tries to I told this story um to someone else but there was I remember a journalist a colleague telling me a story about name Dro just a colleague actually and um he read on Twitter basically no no no no no and he

Told me that he he he was tasked to go out and like interview to a really technical interview of Liam Livingston about like how he generates his power and what he’s thinking about and he’s kind of hit sounds about exactly and we get he got then he was like right like

Talk me through your process and Livingston was just like mate I try and whack it as hard as I can and they’re like no no no but like how you like no no no let me finish I just try and hit every ball as hard as I can and you can

See that when he plays it’s a proper baseball like Golf Club swing um and I think England are much they look it looks like a team that can potentially get a higher total those 260 with him at four rather than like saving him for the

Back end we got to wrap up soon cuz we got many bus to get on um the West Indies yeah I feels like they could win the world cup at a caner or lose all of their games in the group and they go it feels like there’s no in between with

Them they’re going to be either bloody brilliant and destructive like we’ve seen or also they could just turn up one day and be absolutely rank it feels like there’s going to be nowhere in the middle I I I like them man it’s good and this this I like them I like them

They’re likable guys aren’t they Shay Hope’s great by the way I said to him an interview I said you’re a very good batsman you’re a very good man and you’re very good-looking did he enjoy it did he take it well he said I think it’s all true apart from the last one and

He’s also very modest he is good-looking oh fancy him even more now that’s answer why can’t he be English I know how C would be sh hope play for England oh goodness me and he’s been I think he he’s changed really drastically as a player over the last um kind of year or

So he’s really add like a power element to his game cuz before he basically battered like he did today where he kind of cruised people home in third gear but I think the West Indies on these wickets where are slow difficult to bat on they’ll be really difficult to beat CU

They’re bowling their bowling attack suits those surfaces and their batting unit is just stronger than everyone else why does the bowling because they got the two spinners who are brilliant they got the two spot Spinners who are kind of just awkward to face basically they’re kind of not anything miraculous

But they I kind of think of them as you know when you’re watching a movie and like the the sounds a little bit out out of sync with the pictures and things are just arriving kind of not when you quite anticipate it they’re just on a slight

Delay basically I think that’s good that makes sense in my head that genuinely makes sense in my head we’ll leave we’ll leave it to the comments if that makes any sense um and then the seamers they all kind of really like slow into the Wicket difficult deliveries to hit on

The flip side when you then go on a like a a flat track like we had in the last two matches they might get absolutely pumped man like they they have no like mystery spinner they have no Express pace and then it’ll just be a case of

Can they out six you I think they’ll be such an enjoyable team to watch across the World Cup i’ would love it if they did really well I’d love love it if they kep went if england don’t win it who would you want to win it because I think

Also before the idea I think I mean we’ve been here for the last month or whatever it is and this idea half weeks three and a half weeks and um and this idea that um kind of cricket in the Caribbean is kind of on its like

Death now yes it’s obviously not at the heights it once was especially on the pitch T Cricket is though but the white ball Stu different right correct but if we if if you I tell you what the those Lads that go to Australia for the test series the test Cricket the here isn’t

Finished now it will be after they lose two test matches in three and a half days there’s a bit of a thought experiment going on at the moment what who would win a test match out of West Indies T20 Squad and West Indies actual test Squad and where the T20 score to

Win it but my point is that um if you go to if you if you saw as much Cricket in like London as you did in Antiga Barbados grenade or over here you think the sport was going unbelievably well in the UK like you land in the airports and

CRI it’s cricketers on the on the on the posters it’s DJ Bravo selling car rentals you go outside and the roundabouts are named after Gary soers and whatever like if you if you got to Heath throw and it was Ben Stokes greeting you kind of as you arrived and

You got to the first roundabout and it was the aliser cook roundabout you’d be like they love Cricket here and so I hope that if they really if they win and kind of recapture that imagination a bit and it’ be so much fun to be out here

For a West Indies win thank you very much for watching talk sports Cricket YouTube channel but please stay tuned to the channel over the next couple of weeks because we’ll bring you loads and loads of content over the next couple of weeks from our studio maybe me and C

Might just get together on New Year’s Day and record a podcast about our lives thanks for watching the team back of Bas you’ve absolutely smashed it the Caribbean goodness gracious me you are some place I love you over and out peace out and you know what Cameron England win the World Cup we’re

Going to win the World Cup it’s been a tricky couple of months we’re ending on a high Archer back soaks is back we’re going to come around to the Caribbean cam take us to the break uh by seeing the national anthem though in the remix

Version that they do it here I want to find that song on Spotify quickly do it rally around the West Indies bat Love Never B f l i really really wish you made me do that I’m sad on am on da via the talk sport app and on your smart speaker talk sport