The Red Sox are now Irrelevant in Boston

John Henry, Tom Werner, and the rest of FSG have made it clear to the Fenway Faithful that they don’t matter. Sam Kennedy can spin it all he wants but the powers that be and the fat cats are complacent with their new tourist attraction.

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And I you know we do a podcast called breaking Boston I’ve heard about that so we uh we talk about the socks occasionally and the ups and mostly Downs of the off season you can sell me on oh we’re a better team than you think

We are in May MH but you can’t in April nope cuz April I’m going in with my own preconceived notions once you go you know 12 and four to start the year then you might have me huh maybe I need to give this team a second but to open the

Year it’s my preconceived notions of who you are and what you are is a last place team who cheaped out on the offseason and watched the Yankees and the Dodgers do big boy business while you spent $ million I I was joking to Billy uh off

Air the Dodgers and the Red Sox are Austin Powers the dated version and then the updated version we’re going to spend $1 million and everybody’s like that’s that’s that’s not a lot of money and then the Dodgers are like1 billion doll and John Henry’s like what are you you

Outo f in mind Aon dollars I said to you that uh you know John Henry has been around Big League Baseball since the mid90s let’s say let’s remember the guy did own the Marlins at one point in time and now I again I just wonder if that

Analytical brain of John Henry which has always made him money if he’s just looking at it and going man how about this from Rob bradford1 million that’s John Henry there did you hear him Rob Bradford has a column up on we.com there’s a couple of P from this

Okay Brad fo writes and I do think some of this is kind of bull crap but okay that’s a nice way to set up something but because when I hear of this bull crap we got on the website you know what because when I hear it you’re

Going to go oh you know what you’re right the first thing to understand is that there should be no room for interpretation when it comes to how much the Red Sox wanted Yamamoto for the last couple of years the pitcher has been the apple of the organization ‘s eye and

That hadn’t changed even with any front office turnover but thanks to the Dodgers allocating 375 million to the 25y old that dream has died then you really didn’t want him that bad did you that’s the thing you can’t write the sentence of no room for interpretation of how badly they wanted

Him until the offer started to come in why I say that and it is bull craap because don’t just blame the Dodgers it’d be one thing if the Dodgers were stupid High the way that I’ve read it they matched what the Mets were going to

Pay him that’s ex he used the Mets to get an offer to get the Dodgers to match it so it’s not one outlier offer it was at least two teams that were willing to go 325 sounds like at least three teams when you include the Yankees willing to

Go north of 300 million so three offers means that’s the market that’s the cost of doing business if there’s three of them cuz there’s only so many teams that are in this world right absolutely right out the gate there five to eight teams that could even consider this type of a

Maneuver and three of them were in the same ballpark and you were not you were in America’s most beloved ballpark by yourself and Philadelphia might have been the fourth team in line and they had been spending like crazy because old Doo’s down there so let’s not blame the

Dodgers for this is not the Browns with deshun Watson where some team did something crazy stupid and every other owner is like now you screwed us all no no no the Dodgers did business this is like the uh the playground thing that I busted your balls about you were willing

To spend some money on the playground not1 million Bingo and that’s so you were of the had even thought of that my town spent the same money on a damn playground as the Red Sox have spent in the entirety of the off season now that

Is absurd from the red what the hell is going on around here but you were of the oh sure we could do I would I would like a playground in town okay get a little paint get a little new fake mulch whatever and then they’re like oh it’s a

Million dollars and you that’s when you pushed away from the table excuse me did you say a million that was the Red Sox it was oh we’re oh we’re at 300 million well let’s just push away right he’s a priority no he’s not a priority if he’s

Not a priority I mean if he’s a priority you’d be in line with the market value offers and the market value offers were north of 300 million including at least two the way we’re reading it that were 325 million so you didn’t really want him it’s like me there’s lots of stuff I

Want until I find out how much it costs that’s right I want to go to Aruba I want to go to this want to go to that and then I go huh that’s a little pricey what else you got Puerto Rico’s a little cheaper let’s go to Puerto Rico this

Summer Puerto Rico is very nice Bora Bora would love to go there you know much that costs I am not that is not a priority for me you can’t take a regular flight to Bora Bora though can you you got to get on one of those big plane

Little plan propeller yeah I can’t do that it’s trains planes and Automobiles yeah yeah you’re built for that I I’m not sure I am I need get knocked out patience wise you are not sizewise you’re okay oh it’s a size joke size no no no because here’s the thing if you

Got on a propeller plane they would be like Oh okay that’s good they’d be like or me it’d be like sir you got to take two seats because those things are small that’s all they’d ask you how much you weigh you’d give them a number and they’d say really yeah right do they

Have a scale there is like they really weigh out we’re not going down sit on the other side of the plane oh listen I would always overestimate I don’t want to go down and oh you don’t want to be the reason no that was it Aaliyah they

Lied about like the luggage weight or something and the whole damn plane went down yeah yeah yeah well there might have been some R Kelly whatnot in there but that’s another story for another time I want to read something for folks from bradf that is sobering to think about

Because as much as we were like yeah okay you know Rob dressed it up earlier this he nails and this is a real gut punch if you’re like Garrett Richard’s jacket and those in the twitch chat good morning to the twitchers twitch.tv/ boss andwe follow Wei on

Twitch you can also watch us on YouTube just type in Wei click the link Rob writes unless an out of no whereare trade is made the Red Sox lot in life is pretty much cemented heading into 20123 without gamechanging big names such as Yamamoto joining the mix the

Team will be needing to push aside apathy with early season wins and breakout performances that can happen but living that life where there is no hot stove Sugar Rush is always a bit uncomfortable yep let’s go red so let’s go Red Sox go Red Sox yeah I mean that

Is just so choice is it not that but he’s dead on it’s they may hook me come Memorial day but from April to Memorial Day I have no reason to watch the Boston Red Sox it’s just the reality of the team right now and quite honestly I have

Reason to avoid them and the reason to avoid them or watch something else or invest my time and energy elsewhere is called the Boston Celtics and the Boston Bruins two teams that are are among the best in their sports that are competing for championships right like early in

The baseball season we’ll be starting to have rubber meets the road time for Bruins and red uh Celtics and both are competitive like certainly the Celtics I mean the Celtics are putting the Red Sox and Patriots to shame cuz it’s not just the winning the place it’s oh we have

Two star pillars and we’re going to go get another star and then oh my another big name player became available we’re going to go get him too Brad Stevens has been great total OPP it’s like a fan that won the lottery and is now running

A sports team I gave my young player a boatload of money I went out and I’ve always kind of liked this one star who’s a depreciated value I’ll go get him and then oh this really it’s like a fan is running it’s fantasy fantasy sports well it’s interesting because a lot of fans

Would spend spend spend spend spend where Stevens has really beat other general managers in the NBA is what he has given up to get people I mean when you think about the it was really Aaron neith is how you got Malcolm Brogden and then what Brogden led to in trade and

All that and the way Brad Stevens has gone about it because it’s funny that you mention that because you’re right like for fans it’s right the check write the check WR the check but the guys like Brad Stevens are the ones that are the real maestros because they know they can

Write the check a lot of GMS can and in that sport even it’s kind of capped how do you get away with pulling off trades like remember the uh the trade for kg everybody said at the time well it’s Danny’s buddy out there male hooked him

Up du D du there’s none of that going on with Brad Stevens now Brad Stevens has become Danny a where he’s winning trades but he’s convincing you you’re also winning as well Danny a just wanted to pants people and leave him butt necked standing in town square with people

Laughing at him where as it feels like Brad Stevens is almost hoodwinking the other side into thinking oh yeah this is a good deal for Malcolm brog and in the end you have guys on the court you want to watch Play No Doubt right like the only financial thing you hear about with

The Celtics is Jaylen Brown’s contract because he signed the biggest deal this off season and he has a certain portion of fan base that doesn’t love him thinks he’s overpaid he can’t go left dribbles off his foot like there’s some haters in that world other than that you don’t

Hear about money with the Celtics you know why cuz you’re talking about talent and wins and scoring 144 points and talk to me in the Eastern Conference Finals not all can we compete for the playoffs or can we be a wild card team right like

When you put Talent on the court or the field it’s very simple people pay attention to the talent otherwise they got to pay attention to the dollars and the books and the this and the the Patriots oh I got a draft pick and who

Can we get no no no if you give them actually talent to follow they’ll be happy and they’ll watch the sport and excited well it’s funny that you mention the money part of it because we’re just now getting to that point with the Celtics because of the rules in the NBA

Of now apron the apron and making trades and stuff like that so Brad Stevens has done a great job of putting together an unbelievable team now the real work Begins for him in terms of how do I balance everything with ownership and it’s and and believe me I don’t think

Wick is is about to pull like a John Henry and be like I’ve spent to my limit oh no no that guy wants a title Brad Stevens is good at his job I don’t think it’ll be silly resources but there’ll be enough resources there for Brad Stevens

To get done what he needs to get done and that’s and that’s all I ask from an owner by the way I don’t need an owner to spend a billion dollars every year and be involved in every midlevel free agent that you’re going to overpay like don’t overpay Jordan Montgomery don’t

Overpay third wide receivers in Foxboro don’t overpay third centers in hockey stuff like that right right but give the resources to where a good GM or good people can get the job done that’s all we ask I think do you think they run and I’m sure they do because he’s a really

Smart guy and I think he lives off of information in all his businesses like information is the power right predicting things Trends being ahead of the curve who’s that guy Andrew whatever The Economist no no no no no the guy from like Smith college or something Andrew oh I know what you’re talking

About he always is the guy quoted in any like economic of sports and like economic impact of this and economic impact of that has anybody have you seen this cuz I have not read this what would the economic impact be of Yamamoto on the Boston Red Sox is it Andrew Miller

No he’s a culture editor it’s and Andrew Zimbalist or something like that something like that yeah starts with a z um but what is the economic impact and let’s just say he’s not Pedro Martinez but Yamamoto comes in he’s a good pitcher he you know he gives you 200

Innings he’s stays relatively healthy so he makes all his starts gives you 30 starts maybe wins let’s just say 16 games yeah say 16 168 nice year okay and brings in marketing dollars and Japanese interest and like what is the positive economic impact of that as opposed to

The downside I sign him for $30 million a year more than that if I include my uh posting fee what’s the doubt like if he stinks if he goes 2 and 11 cuz he can’t transition into baseballs that don’t have the T ification that he’s used to

Or whatever um but do you think they have those numbers like if we got John Henry on today and say what do your numbers tell you would be the upside and the downside of signing Yamamoto would he have a number right boom right off no

In fact I think it would be more of a well it doesn’t work that way kind of conversation what do you mean it doesn’t work that way well here’s the thing I’d yell at him just like that I know you would but um they get they even if

People aren’t showing up they’re still still getting 35,000 seats sold like I don’t think there has been enough attrition for John Henry to make an analysis like that whereas Chavez Ravine is aren’t isn’t that a 50 to 55,000 seat facility or something I don’t know exact number so if you’re banging out F

Whatever it is and coup will probably tell us but say it’s 50,000 versus 37 whatever it is at Fenway and the ballpark or the seats the majority of the time it’s either full sold out pretty close whatever it feels like there’s a big variance between 35,000 and 50,000 people that somebody like

John Henry could quantify whereas if they could make the ballpark bigger they probably would have done it by now but they can’t so my kind of guess is is that he would just be like well for us there really isn’t a massive benefit so he’s a net loss 56,000 in Dodger Stadium

Right so you’re talking about a TW so that would be 20,000 fan Difference by 80 games I mean that’s a that’s a whole s basically you’re telling me the juice coming out of this orange is pretty much squeezed I hate to say it but I think so because you’re already charging high

Prices too there’s been a thing in the news this week out of uh Detroit where Lions fans are getting like four times increases on their tickets like some guy his seats have been like, 1500 they’re going up to 5K welcome to the playoffs and that’s that’s a season ticket cost

That’s not a second Market that’s what you’re asking your first Market to pay you’re not going to do that right you’re not going to have twofold price increases at Fenway Park you’re already pretty high on the the list there so I don’t mean to play his side of the

Street or play Devil’s Advocate right but he if he could put this number he’s probably like the difference with and without financially is not that big a deal and that’s why I’m kind of landing on or at least the antenna is up on is something going on here

Because I let me let me reverse the question okay how do the Red Sox get more out of the organization what other ways are left looking at it from a John Henry perspective and Sam Kennedy International marketing through Yamamoto okay and what do you figure do you think

That is franchise changing stuff do you think there’s eight figure do you think there’s nine figures out there for that like is there a 100 million connected to a Japanese player per year yeah yeah that’s the thing no probably not probably not I mean I I’m just SP say

Say but but a part of the reason I think you’re having it’s the spitballing there’s nothing left they’ve done they’ve rehabbed Fenway they’ve advertised the hell out of it they built the Music Hall whatever they get from nessen that’s different than any really or not any other setup but the team owns the

Network so we don’t really know how much dollars are truly exchanging hands maybe that’s going down a little bit somebody mentioned in theuh text uh well you know with nesson is nothing without the Red Sox oh no no no sir no no no there’s a thing called subscription rates where if

You’re on 15 million cable boxes and you’re getting 40 cents for being on those box you’re starting with a pile of money right there to be able to run your network and then remember you still have Bruins games on there as well there’s and not to you know not to kind of you

Know uh pull back the curtain a little bit but if you have a program that’s halfway decent and you give it to nesson for free they’re likely to put it on they’ll make you a deal for something like that there’s not a lot of overhead costs so you could split the baby this

Is not good because there’s no I cannot think of one unless John Henry wants to take some of the property around Fenway knock something down and build a parking garage which is bad use of space for him relative to what’s already down there how does he get more money out of this

Team I think it’s maxed that’s why I’m wondering put the for sale sign up I’ll tell you when one way you don’t maximize it though is to continue to finish in last place there’s a balance there there’s a balance there at some point break right 35,000 is one thing but

15,000 12,000 if it’s only tourists and if you continue see we fixate on secondary market prices ah $1 seats for the First Market that matters if you stop selling season tickets if suddenly you start April and you only have half your tickets sold that’s when you start

To leave a mark you nailed it friend you’re right people go people go people go Gaga over the secondary Market kind of nothing absolutely nothing I don’t know why it started to bother me so much ah Patriots tickets are going for $10 at 1:00 yeah cuz they’re trying to unload

Inventory cuz the game already started yeah and and it’s the person who already paid the real price that’s un loading it they’re just trying to get 10 bucks if they can yeah not the oh this is the real Market no the real Market was somebody already paid for that right in

April did you write a check for five grand for your season ticket I like this cuz if you didn’t you’re in trouble we’re morphing into like Stadler and Waldorf on this stuff a these Pap well it sucks I understand economics I hate talking about this I hate that this is

Part of sports that we have to acknowledge oh he’s cutting cost so he can sell the no no no you know what I want to do I want to go back to the days where Manny signed and they traded for Pedro and they traded for Schilling and

They did this and they did that I couldn’t even tell you who they brought in this offseason some guy named O’Neal they lost out on some guy named Lugo to the freaking Royals I like the way Keith put it earlier O’Neal had a good year three years ago yeah great great is that

What we’re doing well said so we’re a minor league team now we’re like a come come redevelop yourself in Boston right we’re flip your career come to Boston is that what we’re doing here nope not anymore I like when we Sho at the top not the bottom oh no now we’re in the

Middle if we’re on the middle of the low end