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Holiday Special! | Real Kyper & Bourne Full Episode



Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee are joined by a roster of mystery guests to cap off 2023! The group chats about the Leafs’ game against the Sabres tonight, Ottawa’s confusing direction after their coaching change and some of the best Christmas stories from around the NHL.

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0:00 – Intro
2:35 – Mystery Guest #1
14:27 – Mystery Guest #2
32:43 – Mystery Guest #3
42:51 – Mystery Guest #4
52:15 – Mystery Guest #5
1:06:00 – Mystery Guest #6
1:19:20 – Mystery Guest #7
1:32:31 – Mystery Guest #8

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Let’s welcome everybody in to the real Kipper and born Show Christmas edition wherever you’re watching wherever you’re listening sportset 590 sportset 360 and sportset plus from 4 to 6 Eastern we are glad you’re along for the sleigh ride oh nice it’s uh it’s our last show before we we take off for the

Holidays and it’s a different show because sami’s giving me no lineup I really have no idea who’s coming on the show because Sammy for the next two hours yes has built in guests throughout our show that will go off like a tea time every seven minutes

More like 15 10 15 okay like at rosale where there’s not as many there’s a a little more time in between and there’s an old Pam Shanter just a vague tea time show up we’ll get you we’ve got some Christmas hats on but you guys went one

Step further with a a Christmas t-shirt you’re wearing scar brro green yeah repping scar brro Golf and Country Club yeah I went I could I couldn’t lower myself to a Christmas sweater you couldn’t he put the Hat’s fine no I don’t know what’s going on on our screen

There it looks like we got a star wipe going on 1980s music my golf course closed today finally Gale just closed just closed today damn yes that’s a good run a historic run yeah it’s the the world’s on fire it 13° last week or something second week of April to December 21st

That’s that’s really a really good Canadian run for golf it’s unbelievable I saw some sort of like long-term Winter forecast here and it’s like yeah it’s supposed to be cold early January then a big thaw late in January and it’s like isn’t that then where are we like almost at

Spring getting longer starting today yeah our first guest is ready and waiting no way wow God I look like I scared with this hat this a terrible this is an awful Santa hat the third hey I got to be honest with you when I saw

That hat when I saw that hat I’m like I ain’t wearing that one we’re going to give that one to Sammy nice an idiot it looks like there’s like a a cat on your head like Christmas Vacation the electrocuted cat is I was told uh I also

Wear my Grinch shirt cuz it’s my only Christmas theme shirt and I’ve also been told that I have the body of the Grinch so skinny back guy yeah skinny back guy yeah anyways would we like to welcome in our first guest love to yeah don’t know how it’s you bud it’s you

Wow G stellic St electricity is in the house on our Christmas show now Merry Christmas I I don’t have a hat seeing Sam’s hat I’m kind of glad I don’t have a hat but uh anyway great to be on your Christmas show so what is what is going

On at the stellic household as we speak I I Envision a lot of baking right now a lot of baking yeah no I are you doing the baking kids are kids are adults now 2420 so they got their own stuff going on but we’re um we smartly are having people

Over the 23rd so that you know usually do Christmas Eve but Saturday the 23rd a bunch of people over so a lot of family so it makes it less complicated they can do other things on the 24th and uh right now just going to some friends tonight

And really enjoying kind of a a fun second year in a row after a couple of covid years right that you’re able to get out and about and see everybody again Christmas Eve Eve I like it so how has the holiday season changed for hockey team since you were a GM of the

Leafs like now there’s a Christmas freeze there’s no transactions what did it used to look like when you were the GM of the Leafs yeah you know Justin and I mean Kipper would to experience that that you just had you had the 25th and

26th over and um off I me so it’s like the afternoon of the 24th um you went uh or excuse me the 24th and 25th over so the 24th you went to the office we go out for some beverages I actually got stopped in a spot check once on the way

Home I was a little worried anyway all was good all was good I’m sorry was that last night I was putting all my Christmas presents out of the back seat at 3:00 in the afternoon just to the bab extension going on the park but all good

I don’t so and then it was like uh we’d have a big ball hockey game and then the 25th was the one day you know everything was just settled for about 48 hours then boxing day we always had a game it was close by or it was at home you go to

Detroit or Buffalo so I like the extra day off for you know I so I you know gives guys a chance to come home but I I just found like it’s a hectic hectic frantic Pace everyday is the same you know there’s Monday Wednesday Saturday

It’s all the same and then for a couple of days you get to enjoy stuff with family and you know Justin and Kippy if you if you win those last couple of games it’s like it’s funny Christmas like if you win three in a row or

Something you’re in a great great mood I remember coming home once after December 23rd and won games in Chicago St Louis and man everything’s everything’s going great but if you lose a few you know you’re kind of you’re you know it’s it’s not fun for a couple of days but I’ve

Always liked that we kind of in this hectic World get a couple of days to to breathe and enjoy family and friends we’re talking to gour Stell former general manager of the Toronto map Leafs how about the the last few days before Christmas did you find it as distracting

Um then as perhaps maybe what the Leafs are dealing with going into Buffalo Buffalo absolutely gets annihilated by Columbus here and while you think it would be an easy game for the Leafs tonight gourd um is it a bit of a trap game as well for them yeah you know and

Uh first of all the Buffalo game I remember once in all honesty whatever reason our December 23rd game was in Vancouver and we took commercial flights home so I was worried the morning of the 24th weather is always an issue in Vancouver and it’ been cancelling

Flights so we came home and then someone called and said can you get Kevin Collins the linesman they sold out flight so we had an extra ticket we got him home so as the travel guy back then that was the most pressure I faced was would we get everyone home and why the

Hell were we in Vancouver on the 23rd so geography wise it makes a lot better sense that you’re in Buffalo I know there’s another game on Saturday as well but yeah you know funny one Kipper that it used to be you go to Buffalo and what

Would the crowd be would you say like 60 40 Buffalo fans like 40% very vocal Toronto fans I think tonight it’ll be 75% Toronto fans because the Buffalo fans ain’t coming they’re tired this is the third freaking rebuild they’ve had they’re you know so it’s going to be

Like a real like like it could be an ugly ugly night in Buffalo Toronto gets going but but to your point it does seem all of a sudden you know about letting sleeping dogs lie or something and uh that that just when you least expect it and buffalo they’ve always had the least

Number Ryan Miller Dominick hasik I mean they don’t have those go tenders anymore but that was a big reason why they had the Lea number for so many years but yeah you got to show up and play okay they’re a wounded dog I know but you got

To show up and play and all of a sudden this could be the best possible outcome uh or could be an ugly ugly night but yeah you got to show up and play have you seen Buffalo’s fans grow dispassionate at all like I know it was

A a great it’s a great fan based period but God what are we a decade into this and like is it I think attendance isn’t great right now do you see this really wearing on that group yeah you know there was a when the Buffalo Sabers

Joined the NHL about a third of the fans were from Southern Ontario but they’ve always had a strong fan base and actually it’s funny it was reminiscing with Bruce budo on NHL Network radio show about I remember March 1981 we lost 14 to4 in Buffalo 14 to four one rock

Just couldn’t get the bounces yeah tough night yeah couldn’t it was only one nothing in the third period we kept we held close got nine Gos in the second but but Bunny The Rock had come over nine days earlier at the trade deadline and I remember the next day I’m

Listening to Buffalo radio and uh they played back all 14 calls by Rick jennerette smiling in a pathetic way because they were loving it there but I do like there there was a buzz these are the most these are really passionate fans these are when the NHL staning Cup

Finals on generally American ratings are the top the two cities involved if they’re American and then Buffalo and Philadelphia area as far as being hockey fan so and and they’ve been really put through the I mean screwed as far as the hockey team goes that you know you can

Do a rebuild we did it in Toronto and they they’re doing it in Chicago they did it in LA and New York but then a second rebuild build and maybe now a third so no they’re they’re they’re saying show me and they and they’re pretty loyal and they’ve been tested

Beyond however they’ve been tested before they had think of how long Lindy Ruff and Darcy reggear were there as the general manager and coach and they were under the salary cap and they put out a great product there and uh yeah it’s uh it’s I never like to see things get ugly

Okay I don’t in all honesty so I really don’t want to see that tonight or any other place and and you know what else nowadays guys I don’t remember Kippy that they ever would say fire Kippy fire Justin fire Stell like that just seems to be the newest thing that check ours

Ugly you know why you know why they do it gourd is because the fans are now educated enough over the last 15 years plus that they know if we chant to trade this guy trade this guy you’re not going to do it because there are no trades anymore you’re locked into bad contracts

So this is the easiest way we can hold you guys and some accountability MH so they yeah they go after the coach so if you have a bad show are there chance of fire Sammy does that resonate in the studio we it you would be very I mean just read the

Comments look at my hat you i’ fire me Sammy this a national TV looking like this Sammy in 18 months has gone untouchable now oh yeah right yeah right all right we got to let him go we got get our new guest our next guest soon

All right so y we going to ask Sammy what you’re wearing today makes you Untouchable that’s what I there you go last minute Christmas gift Chris cuthber said he’s hoping he gets it under his tree so if his son Justin’s living or living I know he’s living if he’s

Listening I’m alive and hopefully living buy the book for your dad not too late at all to stuff that into a stocking there really good yeah it’s really good Gordo thanks buddy hey love the show appreciate being a part of it Merry Christmas you guys and your family and all the viewers out

There Merry Christmas Gordo than pal so um yeah that’s great the the book thing was nice for Gordo there and uh we’re just waiting on our next guest I just wanted to bring this up since we have a couple seconds here you really lit the internet on fire with your dubis piece

Today Kippy you did it again holy people are they are commenting on that one bud yeah listen I I haven’t check how are the comments is they good you know it’s it’s an excellent article it’s very good it it just I just basically said that Kyle dubis uh lost an opportunity to

Kind of bridge your m a little bit and and and move on I I I wasn’t a big fan of him just on the radio silence and yeah maybe maybe to his point it’s like I don’t want to pour gasoline on any fire but I think you could have come out

And had a canned statement on how much you’re willing to talk about what happened uh but just move on off of it I think it would have been enough you know I a lot of these things like a lot of relationships when there’s trouble or misunderstandings or the best thing you

Can do is just as quickly as possible talk about it you know sort through things it doesn’t make it a big deal the more you let it Fester it just gets worse don’t go to bed angry Justin you know and I agree yeah you give up on that eventually but

The the idea of your piece I I did like that um you know that he didn’t do himself any favors I do wonder if he felt and this is just me thinking on the spot here if there was nothing he could have said that he would have won see I

Disagree I think there could have been yeah and I I think again for me it would have been more of if if you really want to show a little humility and and say listen I’m human if I could go back I would have maybe made a few different decisions I

But I can’t but there’s growth in it there’s uh a learning process and yes at times I can get a little emotional whatever the case is there’s ways of not getting into gory details or he said she said scenarios to show growth moving on and I think they

Come back in April yeah does he does he speak to the media then does he not the other thing too is if I’m in the Fenway group and you are going into the biggest hockey Market in the world and you are representing us come like deal deal with

Whatever you have to do but you’re also missing an opportunity to promote our club to tell people about the Pittsburgh Penguins you are our face like you’re you’re missing an opportunity to represent us here so how long do you go without doing that in Toronto I I i’

Like my president of hockey Ops to to want to talk into the biggest hockey Market in the world at some point you know part of it is probably on his behalf an F you just to the media that maybe he feels misrepresented him or you know didn’t whatever it is to say I’m

Not feeding your machine see you later it’s small-minded JB and I I’m not disagreeing with the way he can feel yeah but that’s not the solution the way a president something it’s not it’s not an adult decision it’s a it’s an immature temper tantrum kind of position

I agree I agree there it’s no good we’re all adults in the room here the only thing I would argue with your piece go ahead oh we got a guy we have a guest all right yeah our next guest PJ stock ladies and gentlemen PJ stock look

At this sweater I don’t even want to know what else that is a fantastic sweater thank you I uh I actually it’s hard to find an adult sweater that doesn’t have uh just Merry Christmas on it or happy holidays so the bottom say says package is that right cuz you I

Have a Christmas package for you yeah yeah yeah that’s for keer that’s for keer that’s nice so what is going on at the stockyard right now well we have this is my favorite time of year I actually uh I should have had this upstairs I I believe it or not

Leave a Christmas tree up all year round um I that’s just a tree no it’s it’s a well it’s decorated is it’s a Christmas tree I have one at the cottage as well um we the the ornament on top we change and put uh people’s faces on it and different but I

Just uh Christmas is I know the world we live in right now is what terms you can use but Christmas for me is about happiness and my best memories growing up as a kid and family and friends has always been around this holiday and and

I I I love the idea of of of gifts and and everyone getting together and and celebrating and and drinking and eating too much and everything uh and and just everyone so happy and I I leave my Christmas lights up because it is I’m when I’m happy so at night there’s not a

Better Lighting in your house when the lights are off besides your Christmas tree or your Christmas house and it also helps you it also helps you get home when you’ve had one too many yeah yeah so luckily I do it in my home so I don’t

Have to go yeah you know where you’re going yes that’s right so I love so all the best to everyone there at the station you guys and merry Christmas happy holidays Hanukkah every everything so yeah you too PJ we really appreciate that it’s uh you know we had same same

Sort of feeling and Vibes on the holiday season give us your experience as a player um you know were you able to still feel that festiveness with your NHL clubs did you do Christmas parties what was the experience like in the NHL well we did it was funny he Kipper we

Got we almost always had to be back on the 26 in the morning super early in the morning so my family we would celebrate it uh the night before so we do our instead of doing a Christmas dinner uh with our family on the

25th we do it on the 24th uh wake up in the morning do quick gifts and and go and it’s it’s funny as you get older and now that we have kids and Santa and everything in the process of of you can’t really change the because remove anything when my kids are younger

Because right so right so it was I go back to the that those phases and how we had to get around it but again uh we always had like two days off I was lucky I was always in the Northeast the teams that I played on Montreal Boston Philly

New York worst case scenario was like in a nine-hour drive but uh I prioritize my family prioritize my family came home saw my parents my brother my sister cousins and uh we’d always do fun stuff with the team uh which is is is fun it’s

Just I love the comfort of of being with my family it was fun uh but you I tell you one thing it was hard to play hockey around those that time which is you know you love to think that everyone’s heads are always into it and

You want it to be into it but sometimes you’re you know you’re two games away from Christmas and you’re looking you’re so excited for that time that you’re kind of it’s awful to say that you’re looking past it but your your excitement about those two days sorry two days at

Home maybe 3 four days before you get there sometime take over some of your brain space um but I it’s just a great time around the year in the league everywhere Sports uh great time to get home now there’s you watch used to be New Year’s was the big day to watch

College football growing up right we had uh the big ball games so that was the other big celebration but now he got stuff on Christmas he got it all between it’s it’s a great time of year as two guys as two guys that dabbled in the American Hockey League uh peach is was

Always when you were really young that you wanted to be with the big club for no other reason to get the NHL gift instead of the American Hockey League mug significant swing there do you remember some good ones oh my God it’s with the Leafs we got plane tickets

Anywhere you wanted to go really we got a lot of airline tickets anywhere you wanted to go yeah oh yeah I got a bunch of travel stuff like a you know yeah luggage backpacks luggage and back that was a big deal back then when you’re making only like

90 grand or 100 Grand a year yeah I still have my stuff yeah in 1980 okay we should have took the uh just we should have taken the you know they’re giving you tickets to fly away away and and me luggage maybe we should have taken it up sign of

Our career hey there’s a there there’s a few players on our team that I’m sure they wanted those oneway tickets one way stay in Fiji we don’t need you did it was a great time did you guys ever do Secret Santa as a team

Uh I don’t think we ever did no you k i a couple times we’ve done it yeah we used to do it in college it’s a disaster you know it is hey like just well you know always gets personal with someone and it’s it’s yeah I can’t remember anything

Too with too much time in col you guys are actually playing games in the NHL the the difference also is the American Hockey League too like we’ play you have play three games in a row then you have like four or five days off two games in

A row and so we’d have some bigger parties in the American Hockey League where they just be crazy in the NHL it’s more professional you’re you know it’s I don’t know it’s a proper Maybe you know it’s hard to get grits to be chugging beers out of bongs and beer

Bongs guys are holding the beer I don’t know those 80s Oilers had some stories it sounds like I oh yeah yeah I guess guess that’s right how you’re you’re in Montreal how’s the mood with the the Canadian fans this this holiday season I always do I always work too hard for

When I’m about to come on this show um but I was going through Instagram today and um no it’s you I don’t I didn’t really have ch time to go through to proofread it because I mean don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story but um Michael

Ter after 150 games at 192 points what is the all-time best they have Mari St Louis after 150 games only has 132 points and it’s the all-time worst which is a crazy stat yeah um because the mood around the team is way better than it’s been in a long time despite them being

So in struggle mode Let’s just say in this rebuilding mode um I think other times the expectations were always there and now like I’ve been telling you guys I I don’t have them there some of the fans do and they get really excited about it I always have to remind them

That they were 32nd in the league two years ago you know and that’s why they got the first overall pick and and we talked about sovi it wasn’t a McDavid or a badar or a Crosby it’s going to take some time so my expectations aren’t

There but the the the the city gets a little excited Time Time After Time and this is a great example of the worst start in like team history and it’s kind of you know hey K they played good last night it’s fun it’s you know so you know

There’s actually an article out today that Marty says the team’s finally hitting hitting their stride and he feels good about them it’s it’s it is what it is right are fans in Montreal before we let you go are fans of Montreal uh scared to raise their bar after watching Ottawa and

Buffalo uh going into this season with aspirations of maybe making the playoffs or winning a round or two well no they’ve the problem is we I was doing TV night and they’re talking about you know hey we’re two points out of the playoffs and I’m like that’s not the way to be

Thinking you don’t want get 10 points out of the play it’s great for the players to be in these games where they have meaning and how you have to try and but at the end of the day if you’re going to lose lose the right way but lose you know

They if they add another top 10 pick to this team uh as the drafts this year is supposed to be a little bit deeper uh it it’s just adding the adding foundations and talents to this team that is you know let’s be honest they’re in a need

Of a they’re in a need of some years and some help and some depth and they they they they don’t have much in the American Hockey League they don’t have much on their team it’s a transitional phase that they’re in and it’s um it’s it’s good it’s good it’s a good vibe

Right now and it’s the city’s behind behind them but it is amazing if it’s that is true that it’s off to the worst start it’s Marty is amazing at the way he’s been able to convince everybody yeah well that’s right um do we have

Time are we we got to go we got to get we got to get going here sry I gotta go I got I got egg gotta kick him out of the party I got eggnog I actually I didn’t have the eggnog I’m just kidding guys all the best to everyone there

Happy holidays all the best and your listeners don’t be try to tweet them over the holidays PJ stock you too pal Merry Christmas that was really good so two so two for two he dressed he was dressed okay with the Christmas Guest Terri so far so uh I

Got a I just want to ask you guys a couple quick Leaf thing just to sneak it in because we got our next guest after the break but did you see what ke had to say about samsonov starting tonight I did I don’t know if if I I don’t have

The B this read to to yeah please he has to play we have to get him going here that’s really it when I ask would him play and your coach goes I mean he’s got to play that’s all there is to it we just we need to figure this

Out yeah he’s not very patient right now with uh samsonov and he also didn’t even bother going through the motions of like we think there’s a lot there and he’s ready to he was just like no no no uh he he tried that maybe about a month ago so

At least I think Sheldon’s smart enough that he can say to himself I I’ve played that card already you know what this is to me this is the your handing the guy the rope and you’re saying I’m not going to hang this guy yeah but if he wants to

Do it with his own play you can take the opportunity and run with it but if you need the Rope here you go I I don’t think he’s I don’t know what you do so if he goes out tonight and he’s terrible then why man we got to get that hat off your

Head I don’t know my hair probably like look what got hair looks like now look like an idiot without it in my article I do uh in my article that you can find on my uh X account my Twitter account at Kipper is also in news and notes and I was talking about

Uh Matt Murray I saw that I saw our next gu I’m going through Kip’s today I get to this the first line of whatever is like I’m not sure Matt Murray’s done this here I think you should be writing that should be you buried the lead whole article that’s not

A footnote boys he’s feeling good and he’s young and he wants to keep playing if he wants to play this year they’re hooped so sced time out time out how they financially never financially recover I didn’t I I didn’t get that uh I didn’t

Get that far into the uh uh the news and notes on he’ll get through Trey deadline he’ll get to the side where the cap doesn’t matter but doesn’t it matter until the playoffs it does matter till the playoffs right well I think to field the team I mean don’t

Think he’d see a game in the regular season but I think he’d be in a position where he could start playing for the Marley’s he can take a two week stint down there and he could be available as a third fourth goalie I can see him hoisting the cup with the Oilers now

They claim them on waivers in April I thought you’d like that that one one said they liked it we read at all I don’t like it at all I read it and I was stunned by it anyways we should take a break all right more of Samy’s surprise

Christmas list on the real Kipper enborn show don’t go away welcome back in the real Kipper and born Christmas edition before we take off for the next little while back in the new year is that true oopsies well it is for our show but

You and I are going to do we have one le le game one hockey yes that’s what I’m I’m trying to say well it’s uh been a it’s like Sammy you shot us out of a cannon with two amazing guests to start our Gordon party I’m just working on uh

One of our other guests right now so yeah but I just the Matt Murray thing kind of just caught me off and this hat Jesus no I haven’t thought of shut up trying sorry take me seriously okay Grinch body got the to on whatever anyway Sor he’s he’s not 35 and he

Doesn’t want to retire Matt Murray Matt Murray Matt Murray was struggling to stay healthy for most of his career uh getting older doesn’t tend to help that not playing doesn’t tend to help yourending I I think by the book he had his hip surgery but I don’t know what I

Don’t know what’s out there officially but he may have had two Hip surgeries it’s fine it’s like fine like Beverly Hills man you just go in there and you say you want to take a little off the chin and the next thing you’re working on your nose and your high cheekbones

And your calves like you’re Reno your house you got to keep a few walls so you can say it’s a Reno not a rebuild and so Matt Murray went in there and said while you’re at it take care of this this and this and by March he’ll start skating

Again okay so he’s on the leae books for 4687 were he to hockey again this season um his recent statistics not great you know no this is about just putting yourself in a position I think to you could play again the league if someone wants to give you a chance and

Whether or not the Leafs or an any other team want to bring him back next year I’m sure he would do what all the rest of them have done now and that’s play for I don’t know a million bucks even if it starts as a PTO and gets yourself uh

Still he’s got some good hockey games under his belt and if he’s feeling healthy and painfree for the first time there’s a very good chance he could resume his career next year I mean he is a 6’4 29-year-old two-time Stanley Cup champion that is the full resume for him

If you want to give him a chance I uh you know I think I’m within my rights to stay skeptical that he’ll be able to do it but I think it’s great I don’t think you know I don’t like seeing injury cost anyone’s career so hope that works out tonight Samson a

Will get his chance once again and uh you like his chances uh against a team that’s uh really looking mighty tough right now the Buffalo sabes so the sabes last year were third in the NHL in goals four per game third this year they’re 25th so that’s been the story of

Their season they the guys who had career breakout years Tage got hurt yeah but he’s played 24 games and in those games he went from 1.2 points per game to 0.6 something you know tuck last year was over a point per game he’s well below Skinner was a point per game he’s

Below cousins is regress they can’t score I think I don’t predict this often but I think lewing been rather big tonight I I think yeah there they should but like the problem is every time we stay nervous I never say that I I get nervous against a team that got

Humiliated the game before and they will be on their best behavior like their head coach Granado feeling the pressure and he’s not I don’t think he’s going to let them get in and and and be loose off the bat here will Ferell in the dressing room though

The everyone needs to calm down from Old School that whole bit you know it’s he’s going to be fired up and notoriously it is always been rather tough for the Leafs for whatever reason and even if the crowd’s 50/50 or 6040 7030 their way there’s it’s always a tough historically

It’s always been tough to go down the Q and get two points so it sounds like some of the reason it’s so many Leafs fans is not like a lack of Desire there so much as it’s just a premium to sell those tickets to Leafs fans right like

You make your season ticket money back by selling a couple Leafs tickets the other thing and you’re more of a football guy Sammy but like are the saber fans going hey I’m going on the Buffalo Bill side right now I’m really having a lot of fun with this team bills

Are in a fight to make the playoffs so hey we got our next guest it’s looking a lot better though now with big wins next guest next guest now on our Christmas edition of the real Kipper and born show oh he just dropped oh is it Kevin you

Were on a roll Sammy and you got a dropped call I actually want to say that’s the first one all year and we had it on our final day it wasn’t a call though I had them on screen had him on screen it must be someone older

Who yeah older I was thinking Doug mlan old though oh boy we have the no I think he’s going uh he’s going without the ear earbuds sorry guys can we hear him Yorkie can you hear us I got you guys sound great very nice very nice Merry Christmas welcome to the Christmas

Show how are you oh I’m good for you guys are looking Merry you got the Santa hat skull and I love it yes yes and we got the one that dog chewed on his head and we’re all good I know props after being in the business for 20 years [Laughter]

What’s how’s it shaping up for you and your family this uh this holiday season Yorkie keer I got an easy job man all I got to do well not that easy I just got to buy a present for my wife I’m like you I got older kids now so uh they’re

Just coming home uh one’s home today one’s coming home tomorrow from Western and then uh you know they’re just back to see their friends so as long as I make sure I get my wife a nice present I’m all good everything else is taking care for me so it’s a it’s an easy

Christmas for me and what about when you were playing in the NHL we asked PJ his experience we had him on before you about being an NHL player at Christmas time what are some of your memories from that time of year as uh you know that

Stand out from your time playing in the league exhausted like just two two days off um what a break just yeah like it’s that’s what I remember from the league you just you play so much and then uh although I will say secret Santa in the NHL I do miss

That that was my favorite part time of Christmas bnie uh the gifts for the guys on the team and uh always some pretty good ones some pretty good anything ST stand out that you can uh remember that’s uh aable they weren’t always appropriate I as I recall do you

Know do you know who I gave the best gift to and and I put it down as Anonymous back when I played an aut I found hopefully he’s not listening because uh you know we’re kind of buddies but I found a little suame Street figurine of the count and I

Wrapped it up special for jacqu Martin I don’t know he probably knows today it was from me but I always thought you know there’s a little bit of resemblance there between Jack and The Count from Sesame Street so that was one of my better ones and uh and Timmy

Thomas back when I played in Boston Timmy you know as goalies we all know this goalies have unique body shapes right he got skinny ones he got chubby ones Timmy was a little bit of the chubbier uh body body shape and he loved his Burgers he loved his Burgers I used

To call him the Hamburglar so I on my way to secret santa because I’d always buy a guys a few extra gifts stopped off at McDonald’s on the way to secret santa wrapped up the burger put it under the tree specially for Timmy so he got

Himself a nice burger did he eat it is the question oh he had he loved it he loved it and keer you know this you always have the cheap guys on your team right too e oh yeah so you the cheap guy always get the wallet with the nail hammered through

It a pair of jeans with like really long extra pockets for old Johnny Long Pockets so no Christmas Santa I I love it I miss that so that’s my biggest thing I miss about the holidays in the NHL so yorie if uh if you were to give

That same present to jacqu marttin after blowing a a lead and and losing to Arizona and going 0 and one in his comeback uh what kind of mood would he be in right now if you if you gave him the same gift I think you know what I think he’s

Pretty good like he he had a chance to come in and kind of evaluate up up top before he jumped on the bench here so he he knows there’s some work to do with this team especially on the basics listen guys they were practicing line changes yesterday in practice changing

On the Fly and I remember doing that when I played for him so he’s he’s taken this school it’s like old Rodney Dangerfield Back to School the guys are going back to school and they’re going to uh you know work with the basics Jock’s a patient guy

He doesn’t think this is going to change overnight so I think uh you know if you’re going to give him something for secret senta maybe uh a little more patience because that’s what’s going to take is is is the market patient not so much oh good I think uh you

Know they were crying to get DJ fired for a long time like that it’s it’s it this Market has gone through a lot you go back when when you Eugene mck had P Dorian trading away Mark Stone and Paso and all the stars they had in Ottawa and

It’s just been so long since they’ve been in the playoffs so people are impatient but I think now there’s a little more patience they made the coaching move they got Alie on the bench which the the fan base absolutely loves so yeah they’re they’re not so patient

But they are I guess it’s a it’s it’s a two-sided answer I think I think I think they kind of realize where they are right now fellas they’re not going to be a playoff team well and is the intent then with maren to get them into that

Mix at all or you think this is just like a concession in mid December or no no I like they still have games in hands and and obviously the plan is like you know just look at St Louis right they were in last place going back to when

They won their cup so yeah yeah go on a run yeah the plan is to go on a run but I think first and foremost the plan is to get this team playing with the magic word more structured and I think that’s plan number one get them playing with

More structure get them playing more on the right side of the puck and then hopefully get back into the playoff race for sure for sure they’re not giving up on the playoffs but I think realistically speaking if you look where they are it it’s going to be tough okay

One more before we let you go give me a name right now that would suit what this Ottawa roster needs right now for a next head coach we assume that jacques’s just holding the Ford here Craig barui is it a Gruden uh who’s with the Marley’s

Right now another uh young mine that uh does not have NHL experience Patrick W what give me a name here I love John Gruden boys I’ve known guds for a long time we we we played together in Ottawa uh I is he ready to be a head coach I don’t know but it’s

I’m not a big fan of of of you keep recycling coaches I just look at what happened in New York Islanders when John guden was the D coach there I look at the season Boston had last year when John guden was the D coach I’m a big

Believer in you after your golender your defense are your most important players I I think ruds is a fantastic D coach um would he be a great head coach I think so because I I think defensemen are the smartest guys around all right yorie thanks for doing this man happy holiday thanks

Yorie great guy what a great guy I saw you saying baru in your little piece today with the sense that’s I I hear there’s a few guys that want Craig bruy I know John guden seems to have a lot of friends in media in Ottawa well I mean

It’s a great Point as the you know you’re the D coach for the Boston Bruins last year yeah doing a pretty good job yeah the defense is very good you know and the head coach is very good too yeah you know it’s I’m not I don’t know I know there’s some issues

With putting the puck in the net in Washington but carbury coming out of the leaf bench is looking pretty good right now in Washington it’s very uncom it’s typical for coaches to have their most success in their second stint in the league if you’re a team that’s ready to

Go for it well maybe Ottawa is not I don’t know close enough uh he had a secret s secret Santa thing going on I mean that’s hilarious the the account is pretty good account’s good I like the uh the cheap guy stuff yeah that’s all you

Got to you got to get creative sometimes just working on our next guest here talk about yourself Fells okay uh let’s talk about the coaching thing a little bit more um Yorkie saying you know he likes this unproven guy what do you what do you think ottawa’s expectations are cuz

I thought this was supposed to be yeah maybe they’re in the Leafs category this year type of year I you know we spoke earlier in the show about Buffalo with with gourd and yeah got yeah end up with a fan base that’s loses interest quickly I don’t I

Don’t think that new ownership group now led by by Michael anlow can afford now the next 30 plus games to just yeah I I I don’t believe that for a second there’s there’s advertising to sell there’s boxes to sell there’s reservations and restaurants to be made

Made here and if you lose that for a year then you lose momentum going into next fall well these games are huge coming up because they have so many games at hand they’re just so far behind the rest of the league so it looks like

They’re way way way out of it they need to win their games in hand to show people Oiler run they need something like that eight nine 10 games in a row yeah they’ve lost five in a row at this point but God there’s so many six don’t

Have much time for next guas but we got them let’s go oh yeah oh Merry Christmas this guy now this guy is the King on the internet with Christmas pictures and right like’s a fastive gentleman you are you you love this time of year do you not Mike

Fooda oh absolutely but I don’t have a hat you guys look so festive I I got to be honest with you I thought for sure there’d be like a tree in the background and maybe like Rudolph Nick I’m literally I started off in this ADV Venture I was going to go I was

Supposed to shop in Oakville last night I had meeting up a friend I went to the pump house in Oakville had a couple beers I was going to go to the leaf game in Buffalo and I just couldn’t get up for it so I stopped at a hotel I’m at a

Fairfield hotel in Oakville so I’m end up watching the game here in Oakville so it’s been a very nonproductive talk Sammy out it coming on and just being on the radio but he said I had the FaceTime so here we go we love seeing your pretty face how’s Sammy

Doing I mean last week he goes eight day I was listening to you guys and I mean I love listening to you guys but eight days ago you had a you’re tracking a flight with Otani oh my God here we go you know we got a Columbus loss Sammy

Goes to see his boys play in London and they get pancake eight2 like he still finds the way to bring that smaller work so I hope better things in the with the leaves tonight and uh and obviously you could you enjoyed the seven nothing shocking as I

Think we all did futes you know you know better than you know better than anyone Junior Hockey is a little bit of an unpredictable Beast uh they took out the starting goalie I think it was a bit of a white flag and it went it went that

Direction they lost eight to thanks for bringing it up I talked to Hunts because this time of year they lost their top guys like Easton Cal and they lost their top guys to the World Juniors and then they went on a run so it is Junior

Hockey is crazy because they were in a bit of a rut and then all the top guys went away and they started laying the pounds on guys again yeah there we go yeah I want to ask FES about what Christmas in La was like you know you

Guys are great teams you’re you’re in the NHL tell me about Christmas in La did you shop for the players I really appreciate it R I’m I’m already struggling with my New Year’s resolutions and you’ve got me thinking about what it was like to walk out of my

Deck onto the beach as Santa Claus went by in his Sido yeah it was okay I enjoy there’s certain places if IID ever thought my Hockey Life uh was G to end up and I was ever going to make the National Hockey League and spent 14 years in Los Angeles

On Manhattan Beach it was pretty special I’ll tell you so and their team’s playing great I had a buddy down I guess they lost to Seattle the other night but they’ve done a really good job turning all those assets around uh and and they’re deep they’re really deep still

Not sure whether I would let go of Gabe valard so soon but he’s uh he’s having a nice uh little stay there in Winnipeg so far F I’m not talking about firing any coach here but the last few changes and the ability for teams to kind of get

Going a little bit and we’ll see what Ottawa does tonight as early as game two for jacqu marttin against Colorado I think ay tough one as well oh yeah but does that give now ownerships or president of hockey Ops another thing to think about uh if if in fact they want

To jolt their lineup and I look at Buffalo right now it’s like really underachieving here futes like is it easier today than it was even a few years ago to just make a coaching change I do think it’s a little easier and I I mean I’ve got a ton of time for

Stevie stos and I think he’s going to do a great job I didn’t like the timing of this one uh for DJs so close to the hall and In fairness if I go back to the way this team’s built um there’s I still think it’s flawed like you see the teams

That have made the jump and obviously TOS do an incred incredible job in Vancouver but they really need to an improve on their blue line and when you look at their blue line now I know SS’s hurt but you know what’s the kids they brought in a kid to play with um who’s

The the right shot d uh that’s playing with her with Quinn Hughes like he fit in like a glove and then Susi and then they bring in zador off and theyve really worked on their back end and now you’ve got demu when I look at what

Ottawa added to their back end and I know Shabbat hurt which not they really the veteran presence they brought in to stabilize and I love I love the chicken tray but is is travous harmonic right I mean so and I don’t like the fact that people saying you know the coach it

Wasn’t a coaching problem in Evon it was a goal tending problem um and then they start to go on a bit of a rle their defense is still a problem and their goal tending is still a problem and Ottawa I think they’re getting a bit of

A pass on they spent a lot of money on Corpus Alo and and forsberg and they have not been consistently good and especially with a young Blue Line uh the timely goals so I think the goal tending really let DJ down as well and I I think

Pierre didn’t do a heck of a lot you know Dominic cubala for me only scores go goals on teams that aren’t winning yeah like that was what he did in Czech Republic I drafted this kid in the seventh round and I mean he got sent back from the kitchen Rangers so then he

Comes back on Chicago when they weren’t very good anymore and scores like 40 and almost wins the Rookie of the Year when he was like 28 or something like that yeah that’s when he want to bury your head and now they spend all this money on him and teras senko and the money

Could have been spent on building up your blue line and then having some veteran presence that are true leaders around that group and to you know to help guys like giru out and anyways there hear that FS mid service it’s mid service coming Airfield we gotta go pal we gotta go

Guys have a great Christmas hey one thing too really quick great shout out to Elise for her statement earli in the week I know I know Bor you’ve been through a lot I love your book and stuff but that was a real heartwarming statement and lots of love and prayers

For her over the holidays here thanks F appreciate you Merry Christmas buddy mik NHL executive with the LA Kings in their Heyday of Stanley Cup champions I want to ask them what they gave the Kings for presents okay we’re going to take a quick break and we’re going to continue

Our Christmas edition of the real Kipper and born show after these words all right our national edition of the real Kipper and born Show Christmas edition continues we are live on sportset sportset 650 in Vancouver and sportset 9960 in Calgary this hour of real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by bet

365 Nick kiio Justin bournes Sammy mcke Derek brandale and Jen rolnick I hope yeah we go happy holidays one and all and Derek terrific brison Portuguese Tarts Portuguese Tarts from yeah and I got to be honest with you my tummy hurts oh they’re so good they’re

So good one bite of those I feel like I put on four pounds just I had one bite too many I think is it cens b c Bakery I don’t know what it is my God yeah they’re like this time of year is just so dangerous it’s a it’s a wonderful

Time of year as you as you Chuck little miniature chocolates too and like rush them in between segments to make sure I keep my blood sugar level a chocolate addict I am listen I got issues pal I got to replace it with something you might have to write a book about that a

Book that’s my in my 50s that’s I needed to go to Chocolate rehab yeah hey don’t rule it out it’s early I’m I’m really developing some habits all right so so far in our first hour just a tremendous job with our guests Sammy and I don’t have any uh I don’t have any

List I don’t have any knowledge of who’s coming up we have no plans we’re just wearing goofy hats and Merry Christmas to those we had in our first hour we had gour Stell PJ stock Jason York and Mike Fuda telling us their Christmas stories entertain in guys yeah what’s what’s the

Best Christmas gift you can remember as a kid grown up wow that’s a large one yes it you there a air hockey table we woke up and the whole table was built and in the room and wow yeah that was see I’m I’m in the the

Same boat in terms of uh I got a table hockey game yeah like the Dome game no no no that was later when I had money oh God but it it this one when I was a kid was the Phil and Tony Esposito game that was uh enclosed yeah

And you moved the men so Tony’s Tony’s players were the Chicago Black Op tracks though like no not in tracks you had magnets they were encased under the board were magnets to move Tony’s players and above the board the magnets would move Phil’s players on the Boston Bruins but for whatever

Reason the Tony players always like ended up like on their sides so there was no magnet on the top or on the bottom they were just on the side and the big joke in our family was you know Tony’s teams went harder the night before than the party team than Phil’s

Our next guest is here all right our next guest oh no the legend wow it’s not even off the rails Friday you your your place in Florida doesn’t resemble Christmas one iota right now not even like there’s not even a green or red ribbon to be found in your condo right

Now well I get kicked out of the uh the office den area because we have uh children and children’s boyfriends and uh you know so I got I got the boot so I’m in you know I’m in Jill’s office okay that explains it yeah and how is uh

We just talked to futes about California Christmases when he was with the Kings how were your fud like who’s Feud I don’t I’m not a nickname guy who’s fud all right Mack it’s Mike Fuda oh Mike Fuda Fuda feuda Fuda Fuda put the Y in there even

Though there’s not really I’m gonna Nick I’m gonna nickname him the finalist soon he’s going to get a job don’t you worry about that one day hey yeah how how’s Florida Christmas these days you you know what it it’s been a tough one because we’ve had some wind and the the

You know the beach has sort of been you know sort of washed away a little bit nothing like wind to ruin a Christmas eh yeah it just it takes away but you know what I gotta tell you I was listening you talk about Christmas stories and you

Got your great little hats on there and you you really look like Jolly Old St Nick the two of you kippy’s putting on a little weight and and know we need a white beard unborn but anyway look the best part of of Christmas for our family

Without a doubt was going to the World Junior Championships to scout that was the whether whether it was in chalfa to watch the sadin uh in their draft year or it was in Vancouver uh we stayed up at Whistler and commuted back and forth so it was Christmas on the road with the

Kids and and Jill and watching the world junior Championship typically in Europe um and in Vancouver was really special so that was a a highlight hockey Christmas to be quite honest so let me let me get this straight okay you you ride them on your your your budget as a president

General manager and you get all the the wife and kids on a free trip that’s that’s did you have them take charts during the game I I tell you what I used to they used to get sour at me especially Jill when they I I would send

The cookies from business class back to them in Co that was like me and my Sports Net days I had first class ma was in coach and I’d roll him a cookie onside down the aisle certainly there was no wine coming back I that yeah Mac I I’m fascinated by

The idea of Christmas presents for NHL players so you were part of the decision making I would imagine in Columbus maybe Detroit no no the coaches got gifts too did they in in Washington you got gifts oh yeah I’ll tell you what was the best guys it it was unbelievable in Detroit

About a month before Christmas the illes would present us with cataloges every player every coach every person in the management team and you had a catalog to go through it might be a 15-page catalog and you’d go through it and would you pick out a snowblower would you pick out you it was

Unbelievable what was it what was there but I’ll never forget I thought you know what I don’t think I want to get Jill a snowblower for Christmas were the best they were the best with the gift it was unbelievable Jill actually really enjoyed it really did

You didn’t want it to be easy on Jill when she pushed the snow right and then it was a leaf blower I got her another Christmas oh my gosh Jill’s so lucky this time of year she sounds like a saint boy boy when you’re in Columbus you were you’re making

Decisions to what to get your team right like I imagine that’s part of the thing like what do you want to do for the players you know what it was uh we didn’t do a whole lot for Christmas there but I’ll tell you what our owner did which was pretty bizarre he called

Me in at the end of the year and he said I may have told you this story but he said we made $22 million this year and I said oh I like the sound of that so what he did is I went up and met him at his

Golf course and this was you know we went through every person on our staff every person on our staff and he gave out $2 million to the people what so he said we made a lot of money so assistant GM got x amount you know director of amateur I

Mean guys were getting 50 and $60,000 uh you know my secretary I remember her getting 15 I think 125,000 like it was huge so that was Mr McConnell he said if we’re making a lot of money it’s going back to our staff and I’ll never forget standing in the

Dressing room handing out those envelopes so everybody come all the staff come down to the dressing room and we’re all in around there the hockey Ops you know the business side and went through the envelopes to every one of them it was it was pretty amazing that

He did that it really was you know you think that you think that stuff still happens today with a salary cap in hrr that can’t happen anymore can it not a chance not a chance I mean he well I mean he you you can do whatever you want

With the profit and that’s what he said to me because his Worthington Industries company to had a profit sharing plan with their employees and he wanted to carry it over with the hockey now my La we went from 22 million profit my first year in Columbus the last year we made a

100,000 so the gifts weren’t quite as good that last year everybody got $3 changes things what what would your of owner have done if it was like a $22 million loss like that’s happening now Matt teams are losing 20 or30 million a year this league right now see see what H how

How we made so much money in Columbus the first year was our payroll was 17 million 17 million was our payroll in Columbus year one 2000 we were playing Detroit eight times that year with a $77 million payroll and the Leafs and I mean these teams were out of hand that was in

Two th000 when you think back and look at those payrolls even then and then the cap came in in my first year with the cap the cap was 39 million so we went from 17 million and all of a sudden we’re up into the 30s you know and

Getting closer to the cap now I mean Columbus went through a stretch they’re losing 25 million a year a a bad stretch in the in the hous and not that it was Scott how’s fault but in the housing era I remember hearing they were losing 25

Million bucks a year it was scary so now all the teams obviously with the new TV deals and all these things like I’ll never forget phoning Bill Daly and saying Bill I’m doing the performer for my owner what should I put in for the NBC deal we just lost ESPN which was a

Million four a year our ESPN TV deal can you believe that and the you know Bill said to me uh don’t put anything in doug because we’ll be lucky to get a penny from zero we got that was the that was the introduction of NBC to the NHL and

We ended up getting Zero from them so the performer I put 500,000 in just hoping we might get lucky but that’s was the start of NBC and hockey hard to believe after losing ESPN and a million four and we’re getting a million four from hockey KN in Canada and we’re

Getting three million from Fox Ohio that was our total TV deal today what would they be getting 50 75 million a team I don’t know what it is today but it’s it’s a lot obviously a lot healthier it was tough it is but there there’s still we have some organizations that most

Likely will hit some significant losses without making the playoffs uh the Leafs are in Buffalo tonight it the Buffalo Ottawa were two teams that were really hoping that they could keep themselves really close if not in a playoff spot can March and it doesn’t appear like that’s going to

Happened how how how lucky am I I mean I went I interviewed for a couple of weeks for that senior advisor job in Buffalo you you remember you and I going through it at the time and obviously you were giving me tips it really helped yeah really

Helped I told you the story about Kevin Adams with I did an interview with Kevin Adams and I remember the last they said how do you get along with Kevin Adams the guy with the poulas and I said well the last time I talked to Kevin was the

Day I traded him for Ray Whitney so we haven’t really had a lot of communication Kevin made a decision to go a different direction but I was watching the other night and uh in that game in uh the Columbus game in the 94 thrashing I thought uh you know what I’m

Kind of happy I’m going to the beach tomorrow and playing golf playing golf before I go f away 82 the other day Nick 82 you know what it’s a perfect temperature Mac perfect I love 82 it was 82 it was a double 82 how do you feel about how the NHL ignores or takes care of the players around the holidays there’s no there’s a trade freeze there’s days off the NFL plays three games on Christmas day do you feel like it’s a bit much that the NHL is so cautious around the

Holidays you know what I I I kind of like that the NFL does that because we’ve got something to watch and do on you know over the holiday I you know I I don’t mind it I I know as a GM you know and a coach I really I really enjoyed it

As Rimer said to me yesterday he’s flying down he’s only getting a day and a half for Christmas because some teams have to be back to to catch a flight I said rims if you spent $300 you could fly yourself you know and you could get

An extra day with your family but you know rimmer he out spend an extra 300 so takes a weekly beating I kind liked the break to be quite honest and I know berky uh that was berky’s claim to fame I did I don’t know if I got that in the

Book or not that he started that Christmas Roser I probably should have because I did have his his trade who was the kitty or the draft choice he made from Miami of Ohio The Bigs I did have that in the book but anyway um by the way 12 straight week on the bestseller

Just announced yesterday guys uh I hate to bring it up again anyway I like I like the I like the break I really do good good listen we’re going to let you go we got to cut you off here but you know uh you clearly you got to still

Shop for Jill so I don’t know what’s hey are you going to decide between like a wheelbarrow and uh maybe like you know hedge clippers or something like that ratchet set right I’d like to get her I’d like to get her some pickle ball stuff that so that I don’t have to go

Down there she can just use the equipment you know whatever it is is going to be awesome listen hey guys you don’t know how much I appreciate the opportunity to get on this show and I just want to wish you a very merry Christmas and the big

Guy that that comes on I see him on the set there once in a while uh what’s his name uh Ryan is it or Matt or Max I have no idea you’re talking about Sam oh Sam oh Sam Sam I really want to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and happy New

Year and really once again thanks a lot for having me on it was Jill was really excited when I was rushing up from the pickle ball to get up here so I could get cleaned up for this tell Jill Merry Christmas she’s the one we really appreciate all right Doug mlan and

Everybody former executive head coach National Hockey League that Columbus is crazy he wouldn’t have sold one book without us oh Flor Florida yeah Florida yeah my we have sold a lot of those books yeah we’ve sold a ton of books for him but hey doesn’t s like he needs our

Help man they’re no we’re the ones that started the whole thing what percentage are we getting well you guys both have books to tell people to buy your book buy my book will you down and back in stores I don’t even remember my name undra undrafted undrafted but down back really is

Available really should it very helpful I’m ruined you think he enjoys the spot on our show who and no it’s like he gets shot out of a can to when I’m on every time he comes on we like I feel like we should buy him a sandwich or something

Someday but next guest is ready let’s go keep the Samy hey look man look this guy da David Amber Nikki I have a little Christmas treat for I know you get hungry during the shows will this tide you over will this be enough this was just a casual conversation da that we had

Yesterday that we when we race off our show to go do our our regional Leaf game yeah there were no snacks that’s all I said and could I get an energy bar somewhere and now I’m hearing you’ve got snacks for me it’s a Christmas miracle there’s a chips there’s all the

Unhealthy stuff it’s all there but I think there’s a couple energy bars so you’re good to go well I really appreciate it is it you I have to thank for that or absolutely not absolutely not that’s way above my pay grade you know I can’t have things like that done

Here but uh but it’s tonight we got the little snacks we’re ready to go we got a game you guys are double dipping you’ve covered all the ground already we’re you know we’re we’re ready good and then where are you leading us where’s the storyline tonight Toronto and buffalo oh

My gosh there’s so many Story I mean we’re gonna obviously talk about Austin Matthews right could he actually become the ninth player ever to score 70 goals I mean he’s on Pace to do just that I don’t know that’s certainly a conversation what about the Buffalo Sabres they’re a mess you were talking

To Jason yor about that I mean what kind of response are we going to get from the Sabers I want to know from you guys they have a 21-year-old goalie and Devon Levi what are they doing to his to his uh confidence right like I’m wondering is

This the best spot for him to be in and I know they really want it to work but if it’s not going to work then should he not be in the AHL you know figuring things out there so there’s a lot to dig into no shortage of story lines and uh

Are you guys going to be dressed festively are we going to see the hats on the show tonight or we’re rushing in there’re both have hat hair so it’s going to be it’s going to be a tough Hillary’s got her work cut out when we

Get there so you know put her on notice de da we wanted to we’ve been having a lot of Christmas discussions with uh our earlier guests uh you know your career in media has taken you to a variety of different places around the holidays have you always managed to get time off

It is a a big deal in the Amber House well one thing I’ll say is I’m I’m really happy uh and I’m sure most people in our industry are who cover hockey that the NHL doesn’t use the the NBA or the NF fell even this year blueprint

Like the whole 24 25 26 off every year that’s that’s a nice thing to just decompress spend some time with the family um I think that’s important in fact tonight’s a really my niece has flown in from New York this morning and I’m picking up my daughter from the

Airport as soon as our show ends so uh I’m really she was home from University so I’m super excited uh I think it’s kind of nice to have that little decompressed don’t have to sit watch games don’t think about hockey for 72 hours and then get right back at it see

This surprises me da because I know working with you over the years uh your big thing is how do we sell this game how do we promote it how do we get the stars out on the biggest stage and you know for us here at sportset we we push

Hard to see the success of the Canadian teams because when they’re successful we’re successful so like what do you think of that will it will do you see it eventually getting to the point where there’s just maybe too much money to be made or too much uh platform to lose

This time of year for the players well one thing I’ll say is I think the NHL’s conceded Christmas Day to the NBA and that’s sort of become their triple quadruple header I think they even had a quintuple header last year if I’m not mistaken however uh they’ve done a great

Job back when John Collins was back as the what coo or whatever the the Winter Classic they’ve sort of taken back uh New Year day which is a big day that’s usually a traditional college football day and the fact that the Winter Classic has such great traction you know it

Maybe less traction here in Canada but in the US it’s like a big event it’s a it’s a thing um and you guys have been to those winter Classics I’ve been to a few and and they are a big event so I think they have a little piece of the

Holiday season uh you know there’s other days that are carved out specifically for the NHL I think it’s okay to concede Christmas Day I think it’s important the NHL PA I mean you’re a former player Nick the players are all of a sudden going to say okay well the the eight

Biggest teams we going to see New York we’re going to see Detroit we’re going to see Los Angeles we’re going to see the Leafs every Christmas day I don’t think the players would be too thrilled about that quite frankly so I think it’s it goes bigger I I think sometimes you

Do the right thing you might lose a little bit of money here and there but you’re doing the right thing you’re keeping people happy and there’s value in that yeah no doubt about that I I agree it’s I think the NHL does the right thing by and large I Know da a lot

Of time spent with you that we do talk a lot about the Canadian teams and this has got to be our annual check-in I think going into the year you may have had five teams in the playoffs but it’s not even there we had seven I had seven

Seven may have overshot by a little in denial where are we on our Canadian teams uh is there any of them that you see as real contenders well I guess we’re going to do like a pulse check yeah I mean Stanley Cup contenders I mean listen Winnipeg you think Winnipeg’s going to

Be an easy out I don’t uh do you believe in the Vancouver Canucks I do um you know the way they’re playing uh there was a really good point made by Elliot today on Jeff Merck show earlier um we don’t listen to that show um that Rick takas some even when

They’re not all firing on all cylinders he’s got them playing sort of a system that is a it’s structured in a way that even when you know let’s say p’s not feeling it to to score that night they’re structured they have something sort of a security blanket to lean on

And I think that’s a really good point I look at Vancouver when you have Demco in your in your net uh you know you you’re in games right so I I honestly I think Vancouver is legit obviously I think Winnipeg’s leg legit I think the Leafs are legit I don’t think the version

We’re seeing of the Maple Leafs here on December 21st first day of winter by the way is the same version we’re going to see in April right we’re going to see two new defenseman we’re going to see a some big you know power forward of some

Sort we’re going to it’s going to be a different team will they be a Stanley Cup Contender absolutely um and now that with you have four plus million dollars in cap space with the clintberg situation and I’m not sure about Ryan Reeves situation so you know you have

Some some flexibility there and then the wild card’s really Edmonton you know forget about Montreal and Ottawa right now and Montreal is a great story but the the wild card to me uh are the Edmonton Oilers they could miss the playoffs and they could win the Stanley

Cup and I’m not sure either of those things at this point would be dramatically surprising which sounds like a crazy thing to say but you don’t know it’s Jackel and hywood that team you just don’t know what team you’re going to get and they obviously don’t

Have they haven’t left a lot of wiggle room but imagine them slipping in as a number eight seed it would be reminiscent to the LA Kings slipping in as an eight Seed St Louis Blues in 2019 barely making the playoffs be reminiscent of those teams no one would

Want to face the Edmonton Oilers you know coming up at the right time with that kind of momentum heading towards the the playoffs is it true when you were seven your best gift ever at Christmas was a set of dumbbells what Kipper’s on me torent tendon Kipper Toren tendon in the wrist

I can’t even do anything anymore every day just just heavy squats oh you’re getting old Max rep heavy squats well listen uh keep keep the snacks warm for me do I want get there you what’s that sit on his pack of fruit snacks till he get don’t do that don’t

Do that keep them cold bad news Kipper you snooze you lose these are mine now all right uh there’s some more snacks here for you right look forward I’m going to see you guys uh I’ll see you guys in and Show’s in an hour so get ready all right

Our host happy you too da our most David Amber tonight Justin and I will be joining him for Leaf’s Buffalo Regional tonight yeah the show literally starts in an hour and six minutes you guys will actually be talking about hockey on that show other than like today we just

Talked about Christmas so so far so good and your bad hairing oh my hair’s terrible this hat look you were given no chance all right deck against I can’t I can’t I can’t look like a total hunk every day boy Uncle what oh my God I love you guys you guys

Want to do game time here I got some game time all right it’s always fun okay all right it’s game time it’s game time it’s game time presented by B 365 visit the app the latest odds and find out why it’s never ordinary at B 365 must be 19

Plus onario only please play responsibly now this one we talked about this on was it Monday that I talked about this or Tuesday I can’t remember what day it was the losing streak yes the Pistons tonight the Detroit Pistons have another chance to break their losing streak they

Have now lost 24 in a row they’re two away from the single season record the Utah Jazz are on the second half of a back-to-back and they’re missing four of their good players the Detroit Pistons are a minus 130 favorite in a basketball game having lost 24 straight basketball games how is

That possible I just can’t do it so I am not picking the Detroit Pistons I am fading the Pistons tonight uh I’m picking the Utah Jazz Asing you don’t care I don’t care I’m going I’m going with the Utah Jazz tonight baby plus 110 did we have this

Conversation already that that is the the worst ever in not ever not ever 25 or six games is the yeah 26 is the NB 26 is the single season compared to like hockey hockey’s 18 hockey’s 18 and we know the NFL only plays like and how do

You even like what what would count in the NHL without a win I guess yeah winless and the NFL the Detroit Lions would winless one year so they lost 16 straight and baseball I actually don’t know what the record is in baseball I can look that up it’s got to be big 162

Games some real duster teams I’m just looking that up quickly what’s your pred your pred uh prediction I bet you a team has lost 34 games in a row in baseball uh longest I don’t think you’re right that seems like a really long Pistons ended tonight well I mean Utah’s

Dressing nobody there four best the 1961 Philadelphia Phillies lost 23 games in a row wow basketball’s longer yeah God this piston team you just think about the like in sports in general the NBA you know the disparity is huge you can get hot you one game or like you know if

You’re playing against a lot of good players it’s really tough it’s I think it’s really hard to lose 20 plus in any straight sport just with a the professionals but I think basketball’s the hardest because the best guys touch the ball the whole time so yeah so you

Think it’s ending tonight Kipper I do yeah okay well we disagree on that one is there like a wanyama type guy to get drafted are they doing this on purp apparently it’s like historically not a great they have the highest paid coach in the league to destroy Pistons is it

Nurse no it’s not nurse where did nurse go he went to the Sixers and they’re really good yeah might have been a mistake and um the last one I’ll give to you quickly I don’t usually do a Leafs pick but tonight I am extremely confident in the Toronto Maple Leafs so

Uh give me the Leafs minus a goal and a half plus 150 I think they’re G to smoke the Buffalo Sabers what a that was I just do I I never what do the better say on who wins that game oh the Leafs are huge fa they are huge yeah yeah they’re

Well not huge but mineus 150 on the road that’s that’s a big favorite yeah you’re you’re not convinced either I’m not I just delete I’m not convinc Lea as not that I don’t think they’re going to win I do think they’re going to win and they Buffalo has some good players they’re

Not a lot of good players I don’t know what they’re doing yeah I don’t they can’t defend they give up the most high danger chances in the league League their goali 21 doesn’t add up and do you think the Oilers get off the Shai tonight going in in uh in New

Jersey no I don’t yeah I think kind I don’t think they win tonight that’s why it’s hard that’s why you can’t lose five of your lose 18 all right well we’ll we’ll pick that up take a quick break here oh yeah let me uh let me just close

It off here that was Game Time by bet 365 visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it’s never ordinary at bet 365 must be 19 plus Ontario only please play responsibly all right we’ll talk a little bit more Oilers uh after the break and also Ottawa going into

Colorado yeah that’s tough too after a very tough loss to Arizona that more as we continue on our Christmas edition of the real Kipper and born show all right Samy’s got me ready for the closing of the S yeah see you moved me too early now I’m going no she just moved it

For she just moved for you you’re perfect Kipper what you doing buddy you’re good now you’re I couldn’t watch any uh so Samy’s no no lineup no nothing I’m coming in here cold turkey here and you’re telling me our next uh our Our Guest is going to

Come in studio our last guest but you’ve moved everything and we still have another guest coming in on Zoom yes well I’m not going to get up and do it while we’re on there I have to do it while why is ready you’re still a producer

Sammy I know that’s what I did let’s go to our next guest you put him in the lower tier hat there oh yeah Jason bua the kpp board hats love my God oh my God this is a round of applause for the effort right on Zoom Jason Bula very

Festive for us from the vest up brother to stockings in the background I am so impressed only the best for you guys let me tell you this is uh it’s been it’s been great being on so far a great new uh great new slot here and uh I took

Some extra time wow and uh no real break for you World Juniors right that’s the focus World Juniors it is that’s right just uh tomorrow on theca I’m gonna drop an article on the uh the prospects over there that have been drafted by a Canadian clubs and how they’ve been

Trending uh Ryan Dixon uh dropped one today you know with all the different players that are going to be in the tournament but I kind of did a deep dive for you guys uh a little bit more what to look for from all the Canadian franchises and there’s some great

Players fellas great players okay we know this this tournament has turned into a huge uh Christmas bananza for for Canadians from coast to coast but it’s always on the backs of the kids doing really well in Canada right they’re either they’re winning the thing or at least they’re they’re they’re in a final

Here so is this the the year maybe that they don’t do as well because of the push with the us right now yeah I’m going to temper expectations a little bit for uh our viewing audience and our listeners they’re in tough this year the the US has been really building towards this

Tournament uh a couple years ago they had that Juggernaut u8 team that had a whole slew of guys drafted in the first round they backed it up with some really high-end guys again last year so they are loaded honestly they can roll 13 forwards out and most of those guys will

Be able to play on first lines on any roster in the tournament that’s how deep they are even on defense laye Hudson he’s a whirling dervish the Montreal Canadians draft he’s got a little bit of Quinn Hugh in him he’s he’s under siiz he’s at Boston University but equal

Parts distributor shooter the Canadian team we’re gonna have to get excellent goal ending that goes without saying it this event year in and year out but uh we Relentless compete like we’re going to have to look like the New Jersey Devils cir a 1994 we our honic down boooks I got a

Way more important thing to ask you about I I heard you went out for beers with Sammy and his boys I got to know I got to know what are his boys like tell me about having beers in London with Sam mck and crew idiots well first of all I

Had to talk him down because the poor own sound attack got in handed to he was very he was you know he Des Spa yes uh I don’t mind giving a little shout out Sammy to our our friends at beer lab right London and uh there are some other

Producers uh you know at the network I can’t mention names right now but they have frequented the beer lab as well so it was great to see we had a really good time it’s remarkable the what he put up with for like an hour and a intervie in the league for however

Long and they’re just like d you’re an idiot what are you talking about like I was a pin cushion they were coming at me they were Relentless unbeliev I had to bail my just Homer Simpson into the bush out back is it true our our boy Sammy was playing Big

Shot what are you talking about you know you’re a celebrity now he he’s recognizable I’ll tell you that and that that that big grin that he walks around with all the time everybody knows who Sammy is now for sure well we’re going to set him back with the hat

That he’s been for about an hour and a half Kip found a hat in the gutter on the way here and threw it on Sammy yeah I just took him off the like the hallways the decorations in there yeah off the railings really oh my God anyways I’m going to get in trouble

Again aren’t I yeah you’re fine um all right so holiday season for a scout what’s it been like over your time you know you guys obviously prepare for this tournament that’s right after Christmas have you ever been with your family the Christmas time no no well I mean I’ve always left uh

The earliest I’ve left is boxing day I you know I don’t go over on Christmas or anything like that but you know even this trip guys it’s it’s a 12 Day Extravaganza you know I leave here on the 27th and I’m not back to the 7th

Just with you know how it is over there coming back and connections and blah blah blah so um but they’re used to it uh I’m lucky my entire family obviously the kids are born into it but patient wife ated home happy wife happy life and

All known as hockey her whole life so uh I don’t know she doesn’t seem to miss me too much when I’m gone like fall the holidays so whatever what are you going to do get her a snowblower like Doug mlan yeah does douge just sit out in the RV

And watch her snowblow yeah 100% he does yeah hey um speaking of which we were talking coaches and players at Christmas what about Scouts do they get it forgotten a little bit this time of year get gifts well uh uh I have to say that I’ve

Been very lucky daveo back in the day was over the top we used to get fantastic gifts and and then of course Dale Talon who’s uh a golfer as everybody in the industry knows uh he went over the top with some titlist stuff over the years and some Ogo golf

Stuff so really uh really nice that they recognize the guys uh you know when we come back for meetings after usually meetings start happening in January right so it’s a belated gift but the guys are always happy to get something and uh it’s it’s it’s nice it’s nice to

Be it’s nice to be thought of once in a while because uh lot of miles a lot of nights away from home well listen uh you have a fantastic tournament uh we’ll we’ll check in with you periodically love to have you back give us a an update but we really appreciate your

Time boooks yeah I’d love to be back on with you over there boys he listen continued success all the best to you guys over the holidays uh you too man really appreciate you Merry Christmas Merry Merry Christmas Merry Christmas now when he says continued success does

That mean that we are we have success CU I don’t see it it’s like dou it’s like Doug mlan if we tell people it’s going great no one ever really looks into it so okay yeah yeah good we’re along I think it’s okay they put us on TV they

Let me wear this stupid hat they take us off TV next week so we have a few minutes before our next guys comes in what were you you said you wanted to talk about something I do I do because this is not only our our last show

Before uh the Christmas break but it’s our last show in 2023 yeah so if we were to pick a couple of stories here that stand out for you guys in 2023 the NHL what what what what jump out say you know we we had a brief talk uh prior and

I’ll let Sammy say the one that I think is moved the needle most I mean Toronto is the center of the hockey universe as everybody who’s listening across the country loves to hear oh boy Kyle dubis to me is the number one story it’s a big

Story he was here for eight years the way it played out at the end was one of the most you know electrifying weeks of radio I’ve been a part of we did that dubis pressor live yes yes and you were away on the Friday for the Shanny one

Where gour St watched him put on a clinic of uh radio prow s but it was a wild week we didn’t know it was going to happen he gets let go like it was insane I wrote about it today in to the Toronto Star my weekly Colum you can find it on

Uh real Kipper uh on Twitter or X whatever you want to call it uh but yeah it was a incredible radio and TV for us I mean you just watching it play out like that it it was one of the most uh bizarre exits in a managerial position

That we’ve ever seen also the most subjective right like there’s anyone you talk to has a different view a different angle depends how you felt about him before and you know how you feel about the state of the team so it really lent itself to so much conversation and even

Now you wrote a whole article about it today there were Parts I disagreed with in your article there’s Parts I agreed with like it’s still not really clear and that’s why he should have been like hey guys know it got a little messy at

The end yeah but I love my I love my time here where is the disagree part oh yeah let’s go do you want to know where it was Christmas it’s Christmas there’s like a hard parents stop um I don’t I don’t necessarily agree with the idea that he trotted his

Family out as sort of a negotiating Pawn okay I do believe all right that’s fair I I do believe that there is genuine indecision that was happening which you know maybe I’m naive maybe you’re cynical I don’t know could be a little bit of both all I know is this time tomorrow I’m

Off you’re not going to get into this with you yeah you know we’re not doing this today I just no it’s fine it’s that’s why you write and that’s why you have a comment section uh hey you agree you disagree let me know but this is

What I mean it’s still like I don’t know we don’t have answers that’s why it’s big story what’s your biggest story my biggest story The I think that would probably be it too where would uh like Corey Perry’s a big story yeah I think just them in general with them getting bedar

Followed by the start for vard and then the Cory Perry thing and the subsequent stuff that came out around that like that was horrible but it was a huge story for a week and it just feels like it’s gone away now you were writing it about it a little bit I’m sure people

Are checking in on him but yeah that was a big one trying to think of other ones but yeah those two stand out to me in my news and notes today I talked about teams having internal discussions on if if and when he gets cleared MH

Like how many teams would be willing to take him for 750 uh prated I would say most would probably be checking in wouldn’t they yeah I guess like would details have to be made public of what happened and I don’t know I had one NHL executive tell me if

Edmonton can make Evander Kane work how many teams could make Cory Perry work again oh actually somebody just texted me Babcock that’s a big story call that’s a really Jeff and Barry it’s like I’m feeling like an idiot for not thinking of that one but that was a massive story

Yeah that’s that’s right there with uh the the surprise that Cory Perry is not a member of Chicago no no doubt the the Babs one is is just also because it’s a lot of conjecture in hearsay and what really happened and huge celebrity there’s pain coming there was pain that

If if there’s enough time between Cory Perry’s last game and this stint with the NHL uh Players Association program and feeling like M he may have cleared a few things up second chance I don’t know I’m off tomorrow I don’t get in trouble there’s five minutes left in our

Show I don’t yes it’s very possible we’re not privileged to any details so like how do you that’s why talking about it’s hard because it’s like I don’t know exactly what he did I don’t know but let’s assume we never will know okay well then

How can I say he can’t play thank you you know and your point about Kane like it’s people make mistakes and they get another chance I don’t think you should be allowed one strike so I don’t know I don’t know what what he did do you think

Uh the Arizona City vote failing was a big story someone texted me in that thought no no because I don’t care Kane on a different team yeah Leaf’s trade deadline you guys had a great and active show that was a wild day we did have a massive deadline show well was not even

I don’t think it was the actual day a couple days before something was O’Reilly happened sand happened like they had a whole new team by the show was done Shen another story for me that I don’t know if it would make a top 10 list uh but the traditional NHL draft

Getting blown up oh that’s a story non story non story non story no I think it’s a story I mean I love that it’s the sphere that’s a story to me o oil horrible start someone said the tank Fest then them yeah losing eight in a row hold on though to the

Draft thing I I think it’s a big deal the teams and and Executives and media in terms of how they’re going what they’re going to do but last gu is oh Alish we get an Alish guest in [Applause] here what’s happening Alish come on in come on

In hi everyone there we go hey how are you thanks for joining us happy holiday everyone thank you ho ho ho I’m here have I not the worst hat in the world is that not the scuzziest thing you’ve ever seen pretty bad I said that thing was

That thing was found on the ground somewhere in Kipper somewh we don’t want to know where pulled it out of his dog’s mouth on the way here I don’t know what you guys are up to I wasn’t listening to the show I was prepping for mine oh we

Were talking we were talking about the biggest stories in hockey were this year and my vote was Kyle dubis and the way that played out we’ve also mentioned Cory Perry uh we didn’t mention but probably on the list the sale of the Ottawa Senators and then found BC Mike

Babcock coming and going very quickly in Columbus a lot of large stories we’ve also been checking in with all of our guests and their Christmas experience is it a big deal in the fourar house yeah I say so I feel like it was like the only

Time where I have an older brother we’d all come back from like University or wherever we were playing hockey and we’d have a couple days together to to play um we go out and play on the palm but we just like have a nice family moment so I

Do think it’s a big one but it’s always short like a short and sweet you get back to it you know whether you’re working or playing so it’s a fun one yeah so how has your year gone professionally here with the show because we’re we made we’ve all made no

We’ve all made you know an adjustment here they took us from upstairs they brought us down here you and Justin doing a terrific job uh and uh I I do miss you on the morning oh thanks I do because you know we had we had real good chemistry

Yeah we miss we miss having you on um I think it’s been really great honestly the amount of sleep we’re getting is already so much better s in the morning guys you know what’s up but no I think it’s been really fun it’s been a

Challenge to come in and do like a quick concise one hour show where you know you got to be on the ball right away less time for fluff but it makes you a better broadcaster I think Kipper’s dream one hour show yeah well well actually

Because of you guys being off we have a three-hour show tomorrow okay so thank you that’s your Christmas gift me is a three-hour show yeah tomorrow we’re doing a three-hour Extravaganza so we might have to call on you but you’ll be somewhere else you never did a Morning

Show like you never had to get up at that time no oh my God but you know 7 o’ hits 7 7:05 7 you get to put on your pajamas and go back to bed he call us sometimes on the morning show and he’d be like either we know like ker was

Already up or he was waking up like you tell yeah you were my alarm clock it was fun though yeah it does happen to those hours so um former pro hockey player yourself you want to ask about the professional women’s hockey league is starting up here just in about a week

Now honestly so uh game one will be uh January 1st so I’ll be there brighte eyed and bushy eyed or is that it bushy tail bushy tail yeah I’ll be all those things bushy eyed is not good I she very tired um but yeah Toronto will be

Starting the season with New York it’ll be amazing it’s at Madam and I played there for a little bit um and it’s beautiful ring am jealous a little bit that amazing ring it’s still Maple Leaf Garden it is yeah it’s Maple Leaf Garden so it’s going to be great for them to

Play sold out I got a season T I bought season tickets even though I’m media member I’m like I want to support sold out season tickets sold out every seat of the game so far so it’s going to be awesome I’m really excited you weren’t greasing them for a media pass you’re

Like come on I didn’t even get I don’t even know I might have a media pass whatever I bought I wanted to support because this is like this is a start of something really new and special and all of my former teammates and some of my best friends are still playing so I’m

Excited but I’m taking like so can you not do both can you go back and play then got come back in no I don’t think so I play on a nice like women’s beer league team twice a week and sometimes I’m like thank God I stop playing I’m

Gas I played with Alish at a I don’t know what we we were in a tournament together she embarrassed you I heard god well I the second I put on skates I embarrassed myself so I don’t really need to wor about that tried hard because Al there like Sammy did a lot of

The big Loops big Loops no I’m looking like Evan buard in the defensive Zone lot of lot of Loops stop circling circling circling circling all right we should uh End by saying our thank yous to uh everyone today hey we had the the full list Sam thanks for

Putting that together yeah listen uh back in the days of Hockey Central at noon we did this a couple times Darren Mard and Doug mlan and I would call up 10 people over the show one of my favorite shows of the year and that’s

Why I did it and that’s why you did it and you nailed it thank you you nailed it PJ and York and futes and douge ma we got Alish Amber and Amber Amber was onaa of course BS and Amber was like on looked like he was on the TNT set like

He was from our other C looked unbelievable our set was amazing we saw you guys do that now we want to do it so unfortunately you opened up that world actually true we we can do that that’s better it’s almost better than having them in studio so anyways loved it well

Listen again thanks to Our Guest Alish for dropping by have a great show coming up don’t go away Alish and Justin are coming up next and uh for all of you in 2023 uh safe holidays yeah Grand Jen we sure appreciate your support uh for the real

Kipper and borne show if you get a chance give us a rating and review we’d love to hear from you we’d want to hear you talk about ways Sammy and Justin can improve yes all of it no shortage thanks again stay safe everybody Merry Christmas Happy holidays Happy New Year

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  1. This Buffalo bashing hasn't aged well. Samsonov was fine in Washington, now he looks like Campbell at the end in Edmonton. Maybe the Leaf's are ruining goalies?

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