With the main aim to impact amateurs the least and punish the biggest hitters, I don’t think it’s quite going to work out like that.
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Release a pro ball similar in spec to a Titleist Professional of the 1990's. Leave the rest of us alone. Job done.
Bang on this. It doesn't matter what they do with a ball for Tour players. You will simply start to see more of them switching to more of a long drive setup with 6°/7° lofted heads, increase AOA, reduce spin loft and bingo the ball goes further. Bryson is way ahead of the game already
What annoyed me was they said Lady Pros will lose 7-10 yards but recreational golfers wont notice the difference. Er…hang on. Average drive on the LPGA is 255 yards. As a 5foot5 58 year old I hit it that far so it does affect me. But it was the condesending tone that got me. Basically they are giving us a bloody range ball that wont fly. The short hitters will suffer the most.
Was this problem not about Real Estate initially? They have extended many Major courses trying to make the big hitters come up short and that has not happened. You have to go back to 2007 for a short hitter to have won the Masters in Zach Johnson. Only the shorter hitters got punished. If they want Golf to be about skill then the holes need to be shorter & narrower with more punishing hazards.
Firstly how the hell are they going to police it? Secondly I will buy a couple of hundred lake balls. Thirdy I will quit comps.
I don't know how this rule could be enforced at club level. Is there going to be an official ball checker…..
Big own goal by the governing bodies. Lumping everyone in with the 0.001% who are elite tour professionals. Make them play with half a set and a driver with a smaller sweet spot.
They shortened the game for us when they switched to the 1.68 ball
They shortened the game for us when they made bouncy drivers illegal.
Neither bothered my game at all.
The manufacturers will work something out to minimise this.
And it won't make a blind bit of difference to amateurs when it happens.
For pros, they need to do something to make it more watchable imo. But then, im an old fart and it seems that young flatbellies would prefer watching Drive / PW golf than skillz (see what i did there ..)
Bifurcation is the realistic answer…😋
We have seniors looking to leave our club because they struggle with some of the carry’s that are needed now, so knock off some distance off the balls is taking them out of the game
Make the fairways narrower at 340yards, make the rougher longer. Make long drives a SKILL. So easily fixed without rolling the bloody ball back
Outfits like Club Champion in Canada ( a YouTube channel) are already licking their chops at the thought of re-fitting everyone they can to overcome the ball rollback. It involves, of course, a lower lofted driver head and training to increase the attack angle to +4 degrees or higher, in order to get that low spin high flying shot off the face. If you can have a dynamic loft of 12-14 degrees, and 115 mph swing speed, and you hit it out of the middle of the face, you too will be able to hit 317+ yard bombs from the tee regardless of a detuned ball.
Then there are the rest of us. 95 mph club head speed on our best day, driver at 10.5 degrees lofted down to 9. We won't be getting those training benefits, because they are outside of our potential capabilities.
If you made the pros and the upper echelon amateurs play with Jack Nicklaus' famous proposed dead ball, that would surely solve the long ball hitter problem. But the PGA makes money by displaying the top tier pros ability to hit the ball far, and that means that the PGA is pretty sure that if the ball is rolled back for the pros only, viewership and sponsorship of their events would suffer. Can't have that. Besides, who would pay to watch bitch ball?
The point you made about a shorter player having to go from a seven iron to maybe a longer iron is very valid. I’m also a longer hitter, and like he said if I have to use a pitching wedge, instead of a gap wedge, it really doesn’t hurt me, but if somebody has to go from a mid to iron that is going to really affect them
How about any ball that travels over 320 yards off the tee has to be retaken or you play on with a 1 shot penalty?
Can only hope the USGA and R&A come to their senses before 2030.
If DJ, Raymond and Rory out drive Speith by 50 yards they will still out drive him by 50 yards!
So they’re making everyone use driving range balls?
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That's how to destroy people with facts and logic. Great work.
Your suggestion of limiting the driver to 10.5 is a much better solution than ball rollback. But limit it to only pros..let the long drive and amateurs have the option to lower lofts.
Everything in the current professional game focuses too much on pure distance.
Every single tee shot on tour starts with the commentaries pointing out whether someone can drive the green or not. That's not healthy for the game long term.
You can't just go back in time and replan courses from 50 years ago now that 300yds is an "average" drive… (yes the tour average is over 290 this year)
John Daly was the first pro to ever average over 300yds and not a single other pro was able to average over 300yds with him until 2003.
Now it's every single player (average)… they did the same thing in javelin when the athletes got too good… they added length and weight to the javelin.
Same in every sport, just like changing the soccer ball every few years.
It's an evolution of the sport; if it's bad, they'll repeal it. Give it a fair chance.
Another point that I haven't heard anyone bring up and this goes to the chart put out on avg distance lost (4:59). I'll assume the chart is done with brand new balls but I bet majority of amateurs don't play new balls all the time.
A ball that's been whacked around over a few rounds is going to lose compression and lose distance. With the roll back it's going to punish amateurs significantly more than the pros.
Another point too is the robot testing is all based off hitting the middle of the club face. How many amateurs can do that consistently? So yeah I don't buy that chart at all.
So are the ball manufacturers just lying to us about current ball technology?
"The presence of multiple layers in premium balls makes them highly compressible, allowing them to rebound with very low spin when hit with the driver. With irons, when clubhead speed is lower, the core will not be accessed, and the balls act differently. Final with even lower clubhead speed around the green, just the very outer of the golf ball is engaged to generate maximum spin."
Lots of apparent experts out there getting people riled up thinking they'll go from hitting 7 iron to hybrids into greens. The distance rollback only targets driver.
Most amateurs don't compress the ball with driver, and lots are using mid-range balls that conform with the new test already so they will lose nothing 🤷♂️
Assuming the governing bodies aren't totally out of touch with the grass roots of the game (debatable!), what is their true motivation here? 🤔