THE CRAZY USGA ARE ROLLING BACK THE GOLF BALL for all but it will affect Amateur Golfers as well when in reality the everyday golfer can do with all the help they can get with Distance, and not have a governing body decide to tar the amateurs with the same brush they are painting the PGA Tour Players with…. There are better ways to do it…
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26 Comments
I agree! Maybe an enormous petition from the “normal” golfers will stop this. And it will make it a more physical sport then less. The pro’s will annul the difference very quickly. But I think the USGA en R&A will change, so I will be socking up on golf balls before 2028/2030!
Jay, I think you said well and succinctly in your summing up.
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Liv will not follow… pga will be almost out of tv… no real impact for 97% of amator… who really care
One solution, just limit driver use to say five times on a round for the pros.
Toughen up the courses more rough and bunkers tighter fairways. The ball today then the driver and so on to other clubs leave it for amateurs the game is tough enough.
The amount of amateur golfers that can't even hit consistent distances crying about the rollback is fucking unbelievable. You're going to lose maybe 5 yard at most unless you have a tour level swing speed (which none of you do). None of you can even tell the difference between 5 yards on a drive from the tee box.
I don't mind losing 5 yards, but paying another 5 per dozen or whatever for this change, definitely sucks.
Great comment in the Matter of letting the spectator's searching the golf ball. I think you're right about it.
But I wouldn't Change the course by setting extra oob. The course should be played as found and designed.
Don't let the spectator's near the landing area on par-5 and par-4s. Let there be rough as planned for the course. Do more video-feeds on site so that spectator's can watch the players play without need to eliminate the rough and granting the benefit of searching.
Yet another example of how out of touch the USGA and the PGA are with the average golfer.
amateurs
Good layout of the factors and effects of the proposed changes as relates to the various different classes of golfers. Was happy to see my range balls (Pinnacle Range, which I'm told are equivalent to Pinnacle Soft) were included in the distance line-up you showed.
The idea of an OOB rule when a ball is hit into the spectators is absolute genius!
I don't agree rolling back the ball is going to affect amateurs. Most amateurs can't tell a difference between a few yards and different launch. But, I do agree the better way to fix the distance race in the pro game is to change the course. They already have bifurcated pro from am when they grow rough for PGA tour events and extend championship tees. Why not make internal OB or put more trees in driver lines?
The should just get rid of caddies. This would make course management and green reading more challenging as well as adding an extra level of endurance where fatigue could influence play.
Man I must really suck. I'm a handicap 10ish. And I average 250-260. Played yesterday and almost all of my drives went 260 shrugs I seem to be inconsistent with my irons… sometimes I top or chunk it
How do you know that someone submitting a general play score is using a conforming ball post 2030. I guess we all have to be more trusting. Ball police at every course.😂
Yep the OoB idea is a great one. You could also change the design of the courses to limit the incentive to bomb it everywhere… However, you'll then have a problem: some "iconic courses" would have to be remade or forgotten (but, hey, they don't play tour golf at Prestwick, Musselburgh or North Berwick any more while they are iconic old courses linked to the history of the game… where you can't really set grand stands and all that jazz). Simply having narrower fairways and long thick rough, smaller and harder greens where the balls don't pitch/stop/run backwards is an easy solution too… if you want to prevent score going down too much.
However, the question remains, why on earth do we not embrace the improvement of the best athletes in the sport and celebrate them hitting longer and scoring lower. Just like if the track and field guys were making the 100m dash run on dirt over 110m so that the old records remain untouched. And finally, what's preventing them from keeping the holes as they are but converting the short-ish "drivable" par 4 into par 3 when the pros play these courses, and same for the par 5 that could, for the most part, be renamed "par 4" for the tour pros… ? Would that be too hard? When we already have a lot of courses where some holes are par 4 for the men and par 5 for the ladies or other variations of the par according to the tee box?
I have thought so many times that I would have better scores if I had people finding my ball for me like the pros do. There have been many times where I haven't found my ball and I know it's in bounds, in the rough but I have to take the penalty and the pros never have that problem.
Jay, amateurs are already penalized relative to the pros. "Normal" golf courses for amateurs are much less groomed relative the the tournament conditions that the pros play. Pros play fairways that look like most amateur greens. If you are concerned with total distances lengthening the grass will curb that. Are we now going to add shorter tee boxes for seniors, ladies and shorter hitters due to all shots not going as far AND courses playing longer?
I agree ….pointless stupidity.
Rory will change his set up and smash it as far as he can which will probably be about the same distance he does now within their silly tolerances.
If they were only affected by 10 yards it will make zero difference.
Rory can carry it 350 if he needs to so if you bring that back even to 330 will that make any difference? No
I played in the balata era and yes the "new" ball flew miles further for us handicappers because it cut driver spin by at least 50%. My son asked me what was the best drive i ever hit. Now my stats showed me my longest ever drive was 347 yards…it was a lovely warm summer day the ground was close to concrete and the ball landed on a downslope. My best after that was 318.
My best ever driver was with a persimmon driver and balata ball….i flushed it into about a 60mph gale it took off low (on purpose) and started spinning it climed about 30 yards and started coming back to me. It went about 165 and it was the purest strike that I ever hit in my life. My point being Jack Nicklaus would have dkne something completely different and maybe hit it 240-250. Pro golfers hit golf balls all day every day and they will change their seing adapt and leave us mortals in their fust
Could not agree more with you Jay. The avg and up handicap golfers will be most affected.
Terrible decision.
Editing this post to add that this is the best analysis I’ve seen to date!!!
I refuse to comply and going to stock up on my favorite ball now. I’m an amateur that plays socially and will not be forced to bend to yet another silly rule that amounts to a year on year cash grab.
A week ago
Scheffler drove it 370+ or minus a little and Spieth was 358. Come on folks as far as they hit their irons there are no longer par 5’s they cant reach in 2. It’s out of control now. Reign it in.
As a new golfer, being able to hit the driver 300 yards off the white tees honestly makes it significantly more fun for me to play golf.
Watching Lexi Thompson drive a green on a par 4 on a PGA Tour tournament is GREAT TV.
There's some courses I play that there's absolutely no penalty for hitting it no where near the fairway as the rough is cut practically the same as the fairway. I can name a handful of holes on courses where it's probably an easier shot to the green by hitting the fairway on an adjacent hole instead of the intended fairway. I totally see how the pros show hitting hit farther no matter where it goes improves strokes gained over hitting the fairway shorter. It happens in my game all the time. Some courses there's no penalty for hitting into the spectator areas or farther right and left.
If I swing as hard as I can and leave my clubface open and slice a ball 300yards on the wrong fairway and have 100yds to the green, why would I hit it 250 down the middle of the fairway and have 150yds to the green?
Me and a friend started some time ago to allow us a ‚Rory‘ in cases where we lost a ball, that would have been easily found by spectators during a pro event. This is a free drop where we assume the ball has landed. Like the idea of automatically call it OB
This maybe a good thing for the average golfer. Most golfers can benefit from NOT using a ProV1 and ProV1X. They don't have the speed to compress those balls enough to maximize distance. They'd be much better off with a Tour Soft or TruFeel. If they're going to lose yards by using the new "Tour" ball, maybe they'd be more inclined to use a ball that's better fit for their game.