In addition to age and injury, there’s another factor working against the Warriors in 2023. In this enhanced segment from the Thinking Basketball podcast, Cody and Ben discuss why the explosion in league offensive tactics and strategy has made it harder for the Warriors to win.
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Apologies! Technology failed at 58 seconds — the audio should say "the better you're going to be offensively, and if Golden State…"
This is how evolution of the game works. One team or player has success with something, others start copying it. Add in that the Warriors are older and slower, then you can see how they are probably a 50 win team at best if healthy.
Steve Kerr implemented The San Antonio Spurs Offensive System
Draymond and Curry are a unit that executes with lotsa efficiency cuz there’s an evident mutual respect and understanding between the two’s powerful bond. They trust each other.
I feel like the Rockets taking 40 3’s a game also helped revolutionise modern basketball
Would soccer be more like basketball (playing styles, entertainment value, however you want to define 'like') if soccer had no goalkeepers?
agreed. but also, teams arent afraid of the warriors anymore. a lot of opposing teams in many games this season can be down by 20 that fight back and not be fazed.
What about injuries?
I think you might be on to something but the inventors are always the originators. Come playoffs teams deviate from this why the warriors go in to machine mode
imagine ray allen and reggie miller playing in this constant moving, switching, backdoor cutting, movement style of today's nba. they would be super crazy good.
Can you guys do a video on why the warriors are so bad on the road?
Was Durant in those warriors in 2018? I’m having a hard time thinking about it
One aspect that is missing from their offensive numbers is how much of it came in transition because of their great defense. Yes they had great offensive sets but what would often get them rolling is forcing turnovers or getting defensive rebounds then curry, klay and other shooters sprinting to the 3 point line. Missing or turning the ball over in just 2 or 3 consecutive possessions against the warriors could cost you an easy 9 points just like that. A tied game gets blown open, or the warriors cut into your 12 point lead. They forced opponents to play near perfection or else risk being blown out, or allow a comeback. And that was the warriors from 2015-2019, get out and run to get transition 3s, or run the half court offense so well, that almost every play someone could've had or did take an open shot. They made transition 3s a norm when before 2015, pulling up from 3 when you have open teammates around the hoop or someone cutting to the hoop was a big no no. 8 years later , transition 3s are often hunted by teams. 2013 a player on the fast break sprints to the 3 point line instead of the hoop youre asking what the hell is he thinking lol
“Outside the finals” 😂😂 good save
It'll only be definitive if and when the warriors are no longer a threat to the basketball world and are just relegated as the team that nobody pays attention to for the most part, i.e. back to being irrelevant. When I saw them win for the first time with Curry and co., I didn't even know of the team, that's how much they weren't in the picture up until that moment in NBA history for me (personally speaking anyway. Didn't even know that Cali had a third basketball team aside from the Clippers and Lakers, both having LA before their names). When KD signed there and had battles of a lifetime with LeBron and the Cavs, it genuinely shook me that a team that I thought never existed was a threat. Impressive to say the least in my eyes. And I've been watching the NBA since winter of '08. Favorite is the first round series between Celtics and Bulls in '09. Several games with multiple OTs. Even though Bulls lost the series 3-4, it was great basketball all around. '16-'19 was just crazy insane. When Curry and Co. are dumped and the team are dumped back to irrelevance, then and only then this statement be true. Until that happens, win or lose doesn't matter. They are still dangerous. That and they have three titles in the 2010s and one in the 2020s soooo (I know they have another but it was decades ago)…. Much love and respect.
Caught up? They just won it last year
Warriors are there defending champs at the time this video was made though, so there is still some significant separation between the Warriors and the rest.
What if this warrior team is on purpose not to pull all of their strength so that other team will not see the real strategy until the playoff time
Thing is they might have countermeasures but it's still different when a team with role players that can shoot three do the motion offense against Warrior's players with the same motion offense. Steph is a different motor.
The ball movement actually isn't the same. They just don't have enough ball-movers this year. It sticks with Poole and Kuminga, as is well-known, but Dray has also developed the bad habit of holding the ball to wait for Steph or Klay to get open rather than keeping it moving.
At the peak of the Dubs' offense, the ball would hop from player to player until it found a great shot.
They've looked more that way the last two seasons during the short stints with Iggy out there, but, otherwise, they just aren't moving the ball the same way those early teams did.
Ben, i love you but this video has just aged really bad. You painted a scenario where golden state was an old team with the same old plays and sets, that is being relegated by younger teams that seize their fundamentals but taking them to another level. Well, the Sacramento Kings (probably the best representation of a young team taking warriors concepts and game to a higher level) had just been eliminated from playoffs by the Golden State Warriors. To make it clear this is no hate at all, i love this channel and embrace their analysis as water in the desert, but i also feel that golden state's dynasty and gamestyle had constantly been unfairly underestimated by fans and media, and, with this video, i think this excellent channel fell into that position.
prescient
what I always have said, efficiency is way up this last years, everybody needs to shoot well….