In this video, I bring you the most insane and completely preventable staff and spotter interferences that literally made my jaw drop. These are massive events that are affecting pros on the Disc Golf Pro Tour whether it is Paul McBeth or Hailey King, or any of your favorite pros. This is getting ridiculous and needs to be addressed.
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I absolutely do not need a head on camera shot of a disc coming down the fairway.
Either stand 20-50ft back of the furthest throws you see on that hole or stand in ob territory and get a side shot of the flight. Stop standing in the fairway
Not great for human jobs, but one could imagine a fleet of AI controlled drones, where the known position of the disc is calculated real-time and the drones move as needed. Otherwise, as long as you have humans, and want the best angles, this will always happen from human error.
I look at them as trees or other objects. It's up to the player to avoid. Avoid hitting a tree and avoid hitting a camera man. I mean I"m kinda joking, but kinda not.
As a player, i cant imagine how pissed they are having their throw ruined
Honestly I'd just walk off and not olay anymore of that event
The fairway is going to have to go to motion activated cameras for the follow flights and landings. Minimal and set in a single spot. Not ideal for coverage but necessary.
This is old news by now
Spotters should be the only staff allowed on any fairway. And maybe even they should have helmets on.
No crew should be on the course without a radio in their ear and a person near the throwers either verbally or with a beep letting catch cam people know a disc is on the way. Just say, "disc disc" the way F1 teams say "box box" as a heads up, or "fire in the hole!" If Eagle throws a grenade.
Unlike ball golf, there are often times where camera people cannot get a good line of sight on a disc with a zoom lens if they're off the course, so I don't think just asking them to be off the fairway will work. I think they just get distracted because the play doesn't happen as fast as we see it on JoMez, so they get caught off guard and that's when problems happen. Little radio in the ear would solve all that.
Regarding the putting, yeah, No camera person should be in the circle in the line of a potential miss. If going out of the circle isn't feasible or means not getting as good a shot, then move off to the side and don't get as good a shot. Not only might they interfere, but they're just shouldn't be that additional distraction for the person putting. Anyone in their line of sight should be well outside the circle.
I thought all the cameras on the field were all DGPT cameras as of recently. And that they just give each channel the footage
Spotters. Just that.
It would be great if we had another golfing sport to teach the film crews how to perform their duties professionally. It’s simply a money issue at this point. Maybe the dgn should invest into their product. I know. That’s crazy talk.
The camera people try to position themselves in a spot they are unlikely to get hit, but stuff happens….
It should be treated just as it is, in my opinion. Just like they hit a tree, or any other obstacle. Play it where it sits.
It's sad when someone is injured, but they do need to be alert.
Hard to say what can actually be done, except position each one in designated areas…. Maybe
This happens all the time in every other sport. Just the other day I saw a cameraman get tackled on the 15 yard line in an NFL game. Two weeks ago one got hit by a line drive at a Yankees game right next to the shortstop. Hell, one camera operator got ran over by the number 26 car in a Nascar race right in the middle of turn three. Wait…none of these actually happened? You're telling me that the sport who complains it's not taken seriously is the only sport whose crews are not only allowed, but is ENCOURAGED to plant themselves in the middle of the field of play? And they wonder why outsiders look at disc golf as a joke.
The easy solution is drones. How are these people not banned? They came to "film" but are not watching the game… and in the way?
Standing in the fairway, gazing off into his mini-lenz, not paying attention, i mean, setup for failure.
GET OFF THE FAIRWAY.
Use an ANGLE and ZOOM functions for gosh sakes.
Indications of Inexperienced Camera PPL.
In Baseball, the cameras are setup behind the walls in Center Field. Check out that ZOOM!
Camera's cost a good deal of money so, yes, utilize your Zoom functions please.
To be totally honest I think it’s going to take a major injury. I would call the guy getting hit in the head close, and closer than I would need personally, because I don’t have to see someone get hit in the face with a disc by a professional to know it hurts…but if things haven’t been handled yet with an updated policy after guy gets hit in the head and required an ambulance, I don’t see why some other guy getting hit on camera and being okay is going to change anything. Someone is going to have to take one straight to the face and lose teeth or an eye and sue someone. I think anyone in the line of flight isn’t just a competitive issue, it’s a MAJOR safety concern. And cameras in the line of the putt is just unnecessary and a competitive fairness issue…I think a spotter whose sole job is to help a camera person get out of the way could be a solution but until they’re out of the fairway, there will always be someone getting hit.
Take a cue from ball golf, where they figured this stuff out decades ago. Most cameras are positioned on stationary risers OFF the fairway. In DG, this would translate to a defined circle off the fairway, maybe 10' around, and cameramen are simply not allowed to stray from this circle. NEVER on the fairway with a player throwing at them. Will they still come into play? Yes, and camera stands are in play in ball golf as well. Tough sh*t, you made a bad shot if you hit something in the camera circle. Define that circle somewhere that only a terrible shot will enter the circle. The only exception to the circle rule should be cameras shooting from behind the player.
Putting: We all love the "behind the basket" slo-mo putt replays. Too bad, it's time to end this. In ball golf, it is extremely bad etiquette to stand anywhere in the player's line. You stand behind him or to the side, NEVER in their line. In addition to the DG cameraman being in danger of interfering with an errant shot, they are interfering with the player's focus unnecessarily.
Yeah, we'll miss some of the great angles we've become accustomed to, but these improvements would be a reflection of maturing coverage. Once upon a time, baseball put still cameramen 10' away from home plate for those great closeup action shots. That ended because cameramen were getting seriously injured. Just because it's a "great camera angle" does not mean the camera has any business being there.
Finally, the consolidation of Jomez and the DGPT will help (slightly) by reducing the ridiculous number of redundant cameramen that are now on the DG course.
That guy was filming for dgn. I was watching the live stream when it happened. Neither of those should have been in that spot. Both could have been hit.
It'll be totally ignored by the tour. They are too busy trying to manipulate the media companies to fail so they can aggresively take them over.
The days of Disc Golf growing are behind us. Now its run by people trying to squeeze every last nickel out of the current fans then can.