Simple Golf Swing – Swing the Clubhead – Golf Test Dummy
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11 Comments
Makes a lot of sense, thanks. I have difficulties feeling or knowing where the clubhead is at any particular moment in the swing. Seems as if this ''forces" you to be aware of where the clubhead is. Can't wait to try this.
Thank you! Great reminder. It’s easy to sink into the minutia
Just proves the old adage … “less is more”. Definitely going out and give the circle approach a go. Thanks Chad … you’re definitely on too something here 👍🏻
True, we need to STOP OVERTHINKING ! its like when we focus too much on the ball watching it… it always a bad hit. Same happens when we focus too much on things like my hand, how my finger feels on overlap or this or that.. how my feets are etc etc. You KNOW Chad, i was using for example 10 finger, then overlap, then interlock… and it was messing everytime my shots. So i definetly (i think) change now to 10 finger again cause i feel how it feels natural and i dont have to stop think how it feels when i overlap or interlock etc… so im making it simple. So thats one thing less i have to think and focus on. Now i feel all my hits soft and right on spot. My opinion ends there, we need to STOP OVERTHINKING the swing. TC amigo Chad.
Hey Chad, I know you have been struggling and had a lot of people comment (especially with the Norman stuff) about coming over the plane. I get it on my stuff, too, regardless of the shot result. I think you need to check out and test My Swing Evolution and his new over the top series. He’s doing a great job proving you can be over the top and play great golf. It can also help your mental side to just swing the club like you’re talking about here. Keep up the good work! ~ Craig
Reminds me of cutting weeds with an old school weed eater. Nothing more than a big blade on a stick. You just swing it in a circle a nd cut the grass. Same.thing with the golf club. You're just cutting the grass under the ball. Really the best swing is one that builds from that chipping motion you're talking about. doesn't change through impact. Just gets longer. Sound information. Thanks for putting it out there.
"In theory", moving the club in a circle will work. However, in reality this is in fact what many golfers are trying to do and failing miserably which is why so many attempt to fall back on mechanics. For short swings it works because the "hard work" in a longer swing and especially with a long club is already done by the lower half of the swing. By hard work, I mean preparing in transition to maintain hip depth and flatten the shaft which are both necessary for the best strikes with longer clubs/swings. In fact, moving the club in a circle never really worked for you either, even in the "Make the Circle" video because you never really achieved these things. The simple reason for this is that the club does not move in a circle in a proper swing in terms of what the golfer does to it, but it does do so in physical reality. In other words, the appearance of it moving in a circle is a sort of illusion in terms of what it takes to physically make it happen. This is what has the golf world completely discombobulated. The reason for this is pretty simple and yet obviously a little elusive to understand. If you think about it you'll realize that the arms are kind of towing the body open on the backswing and then the body is towing the arms along on the dowswing while it opens. So a simple reversal of the backswing motion will throw the arms and club toward the front of the body and into a very steep position which is all wrong and especially as the swings/clubs get longer. This is exactly what most people will do on with longer swings/clubs in attempting to trace a circle which is just reverse the backswing motion in order to keep the motion symmetrical which leads to very poor results. Therefore the crux of the issue is that several moves that counter the high and steep tendency all have to take place in very short order during the transition. These moves are a combination of several things but I guarantee you that they happen in every really good golf swing and if you do them, then and only then can you effectively "make a circle" for longer clubs/swings. These moves are a quick combination of producing trail shoulder drop (moves downward faster than forward) which involves side bend and back arch in the early downswing and almost simutaneously changing the orientation of the trail arm and trail hand to let the club fall more behind the rotation of the body (flatten the shaft). These moves become, as previously stated, more important as the swing/club gets longer and the errors from not doing them become bigger. More experienced golfers often complete the body portion but have difficulty with the arm/hand portion of these motions. The arm/hand motions are more important for longer clubs/swings where flattening the shaft becomes more important. This is the simple reason that many experienced golfers find something like a 7-iron much easier to hit than a 3-wood (driver is off of a tee so that helps), because the body part of these motions is more obvious to experienced golfers but the arm/hand part is much harder to understand/reproduce and therefore it is hard to get a really good plane into the ball for which these arm/hand motions are essential. I know that this is all anathema to you because you are trying to move away from mechanics. However, I 100% guarantee you that what I have written is the absolute truth and there is no way around it and it remains the reason that most golfers will struggle to really hit the ball well consistently. The idea that you can just rotate back and through or just trace a circle is completely false in some very important senses. An important note is that the hand motion associated with the flattening move is accomplished properly only by having a relaxed grip as the club shaft actually has to be free to drop somewhat and the club will actually roll slightly more into the forefinger portion of the trail hand as this happens to let the club fall behind the motion. So then how do you learn/master these complexities for better striking and more power with longer clubs/swings. Some people have been coming up with some pretty good drills to help "feel" these motions in an "all-in-one" type of fashion". Search out "Can GOLF really be this EASY" by Steve Johnston for an excellent drill to help learn trail shoulder lowering and shaft flattening at the same time. This guy has been coming up with some pretty good and simple stuff to help learn and understand these moves. Cheers.
Like Nike says "Just do it".
There are far too many "experts" these days that tear things apart and try to rebuild it their way and Golf is up there and Youtube is full of them. I could be wrong but does anyone think Scottie Scheffler was watching Youtube videos to stop him coming over the top or how to cure fat shots last Saturday night ?
Circle baby!
Crazy you mention drawing the circle. Thought I was the only one that does that. It works for me.
Well, I understand your frustration and point of view and please don't understand me as trying to be anything but helpful. I think that I answered the "why would the shaft be on the wrong plane if it went back on the right one" question but I understand that it was probably easy to miss. It has to do with what I mentioned about how the arm to the torso is different in the backswing versus the downswing. Arms pulling torso around versus torso pulling arms on the downswing. This means that if you just reversed the motion you made on the downswing with no side bend, back arch and arm hand adjustment, the arms will be thrown forward by rotation IMMEDIATELY (because they are pulled around by the rotation) and end up high and steep coming down. Also in golf, you have to square the club so you need to get the trail shoulder in behind the motion of the swinging arms in order to rotate the clubface and square it but if the trail shoulder is thrown forward and high, squaring is impossible without early extending and flipping the club.
But you must understand that the whole problem is caused by this arm/torso backswing/downswing difference causing steepness and the need to align the trail shoulder and square the club. Baseball players naturally align the trailer shoulder and flatten the bat because these are power moves but they don't need to worry about squaring the bat. So when they learn golf, they have tremendous speed but often slice terribly because they don't know how to square the face.
It IS possible to just swing back on the same plane and back down if you understand how to make the necessary adjustments to the trail arm and hand position as you get to the top of the swing so that the shaft will automatically flatten and the trail shoulder will align (assuming you have side bend and back arch, these are essential) and then simply by reversing direction the club will fall on a good plane and be able to be squared. But without those adjustments it won't happen. This would take some detailed knowledge of what needs to change in the downswing to make this happen. Relaxing one's trail hand grip quite a bit at the beginning of the transition on a very full swing goes a long way towards helping one feel several of the motions that need take place for shaft flattening.
By the way, these same things happen in the SPS. Shoulder drop through side bend and back arch, trail shoulder alignment and letting the shaft flatten and the club fall behind the hands all still happen just in a slightly different way. This was the cause of your problem with plane in the SPS because you never got your trail shoulder and arm in a position where you could flatten the shaft and move back on plane.
Your frustations with mechanics and instruction are why I mentioned the Johnston videos and drills. I realize that the complexities are overwhelming to a degree so I was wanting to offer something simple that helps reduce them to a simple feeling or two that encompass the required movements. The movements themselves are not that complicated and not that many but when you realize that 4 or 5 of them happen in a fraction of a second during the transition, it makes sense that people need something to help them feel what is actually a number of things going on in simple fashion. I was excited about his approach because it was immediately evident to me that he was greatly simplifying things that most golfers struggle with significantly. These movements really are the secret sauce of the golf swing and why pros are so hard to copy. There are a bunch of things happening during the milliseconds of transition that are very hard to see and emulate but they are happening in all great swings and additionally I think that a lot of good players have just learned to feel them naturally and don't even full realize that they do them. I have studied these things for a long time and I can assure you that some version of these movements is essential for your best ball striking and impossible without them. Those who say they don't do them just don't notice them but show me their swings and I will show you that they do.
No matter how you slice it though, the golf swing is complex and in my case, that's part of what I love about the game. The rewards of making something so challenging seem fluid and effortless at times is intoxicating, to me at least. All the best. Cheers 🙂